Can a Pop Song Violate Children's Rights?
In Colombia, a court claims the answer is yes. Could that happen here?

The song "+57," from the Colombian musicians Karol G, J Balvin, and several others, violates the rights of children, a Colombian court has ruled. The Associated Press reports that the court has ordered the artists "to refrain from publishing music that violates the rights of children and teenagers."
How can a song violate someone's rights, let alone the rights of multiple people? Unless we're talking about copyrights, it makes little sense. And no, the court isn't saying that kids of Colombia have a collective copyright claim to "+57."
The issue is lyrics in the song that could be read as sexualizing a teen girl. The court claims these lyrics represent a violation of children's rights.
"Sexualizing minors reduces them to becoming objects of desire, and exposes them to risks that can affect their development," the 14-page ruling says.
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A Blow to Artistic Freedom—And Feminist Protest?
"+57" is about someone who goes out partying after telling her boyfriend she is going to sleep. The contested lyrics—sung in Spanish—call someone "a hot mama since she was 14" and say "although that baby has an owner, she goes out whenever she wants," according to a Billboard translation of the lyrics.
Some Columbians argue that the backlash against the song represents class bias, moral panic, and a distaste for reggaeton music, according to a New York Times piece last fall on the controversy. It's hard to look at those lyrics and not get the feeling they're right.
These are not graphic lyrics. The outrage over them isn't about preventing a patently offensive and obscene depiction from reaching people's ears, or stopping some pedophilic exploiters from airing fantasies.
These are lyrics that tell a narrative about a particular fictional character. It is a story, albeit a pretty light one—most of the song is just about drinking and dancing and partying behind the boyfriend's back. The character is clearly meant to be young, though nothing indicates she's still under age 18. Nor is there reason to believe that the song's creators are celebrating the idea of her having been a "mamacita" from a young age.
In any event, declaring these lyrics a rights violation obviously won't stop any actual sexual harm against children. All it does is stop people from singing about it.
It's hard to imagine who might be helped at all by a ruling against lyrics like these. But it's easy to see how the situation is an affront to artistic freedom—and how it could curb people's ability to speak out against the sexualization of minors and sexual exploitation.
For what it's worth, the musicians changed the lyrics last fall to "since she was 18," and Karol G, known as a champion for women's causes, apologized but also said people were taking the lyrics out of context and in the wrong way.
It Can't Happen Here?
The idea that song lyrics sexualizing minors should be criminal seems far removed from U.S. conceptions of free speech and artistic freedom. But is it?
A number of Republican-controlled states and GOP lawmakers have been trying to toughen rules against performances, books, and other artworks that they deem "harmful to minors." The particulars of these efforts differ slightly, but at the heart of all of them is an effort to go beyond just restricting and criminalizing things that could be considered "obscene" (itself an imperfect and subjective standard, despite the Miller test) and instead creating even more broad and subjective rules.
These efforts are steeped in the language of protecting "children" from sexualization, but often fail to distinguish between age groups (as if what's inappropriate for a 6-year-old is necessarily inappropriate for a 16-year-old as well) and take a highly conservative view of what is OK even for older kids. They also tend to come down hard on LGBTQ content.
State proposals to limit material "harmful to minors" often hinge on the idea that it will be developmentally dangerous for young people to encounter said material, not that the mere existence of such material violates their rights. But it doesn't seem like a huge leap from some of these efforts to declaring sexual song lyrics—or stories, or anything else—a rights violation.
Would the First Amendment allow this? It shouldn't, of course.
But even if Colombian-style efforts in the U.S. would eventually get struck down, they could still do damage. After all, the effect of all these "harmful to minors" measures we're currently seeing isn't limited to banning existing works of art. Even vague and unenforced rules can have a chilling effect, making institutions more reticent in what they feature in the first place. They can also create new avenues for government coercion, allowing the authorities to threaten action on "harm to minors" grounds in order to get groups to do what they want more broadly.
The idea that a pop song can violate children's rights in the way the Colombian courts suggest is silly. But the idea that panic about pop songs could cause violations of free speech rights seems all too clear.
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>>The court claims these lyrics represent a violation of children's rights.
certainly inappropriate. definitely unnecessary. probably doesn't lead to attitudes of "hey we can grab this kid, assault her and throw her in the river" or "hey I can grab this chick off the trail, assault her and murder her" who knows?
"Sexualizing minors reduces them to becoming objects of desire, and exposes them to risks that can affect their development,"
Based on the picture, she would know - - - - - - - - - -
She seems to have developed just fine.
If you are talking about her breasts - they look fake.
the hair grew out exactly that color too.
I DON’T WANT THOSE GRAPES, THEY ARE PROBABLY SOUR ANYWAY.
Sour grapes are better than no grapes.
lol knock yourself out I am only into true redheads and stopped at the current one 29 years ago ... because I won the game.
You must be a woman, because the only way for a male to win is to not play.
and I certainly don't mess with Colombian chicks I prefer to remain unpunctured at all times.
Every time Nick thinks it's just about pronouns, listen to this. Put this in your bookmarks.
Oh, thanks for telling me about this story regarding Enoch Burke.
Tell us, do you think that if a student and the student's parents want the student to be referred to by "they/them" pronouns, that a teacher should be free to override both the student's and the parents' decision? Because that is what happened in this case.
https://archive.is/u4emx
What happened to parents' rights? You don't want teachers to override the will of parents when the parents DON'T approve of transgender pronouns, but you DO want teachers to override the will of parents when the parents DO approve of transgender pronouns?
Enoch Burke looks like he is the one imposing his ideology on students.
"do you think that if a student and the student's parents want the student to be referred to by
"they/them" pronouns"His Royal Highness, Emperor Napoleon I", that a teacher should be free to override both the student's and the parents' decision?"Yes, to both versions. Teachers should be allowed to ignore bizarre, delusional requests by students and parents.
So, teachers should be free to refuse to honor parental requests when they feel like it. Is that what you are arguing?
EVERYONE should be refused the request to control what you say about them when they're not there
Because that is, generally, when one uses pronouns most.
No one is arguing that position. The issue is about how the teacher was expected to refer to a student in that teacher's class during the teacher's working hours. No one cares how Enoch Burke chose to refer to that student outside of the classroom.
"So, teachers should be free to refuse to honor parental requests when they
feel like itobjectively do not correspond to reality."This should answer your questions jeff.
Right, so all this talk about "parental choice" from your team is a fiction. You want schools to indoctrinate children against the wishes of parents just as much as those on the other side do. Both you and the other team think that your particular indoctrination corresponds to "objective reality" and you are unwilling to let the parents actually decide what they want for their children if their decision does not meet with your team's approval.
There is nothing that constitutes "objective reality" about pronouns. It is a personal preference. Where is it written that a biological male MUST be referred to with pronouns of 'he/him'? Is this a legal requirement? Is this a scientific fact? No, it is a social convention only, and individuals are free to break with social convention because individuals have free will.
But the fact that you think 'he/him' pronouns for biological males represents some type of 'objective reality' speaks volumes about you. It says that you think certain social conventions - ones that do not involve any violation of the NAP, mind you - should be considered so sacrosanct that they ought to be obeyed without question, that they might as well be considered 'objective reality'. This is the reality of modern Team Red: to enforce social conformity, using the state if necessary to do so.
Thank you Mr. O'brien.
There is nothing that constitutes "objective reality" about pronouns.
Third-person pronouns refer to sex, which is an objective reality.
Teachers should be free to refuse to honor parental requests when those requests are made with deceptive intent and/or would be harmful to the child. In fact, teachers should be required to do so.
Yes Fatfuck, the teachers should be free to ignore this nonsense. But of course a leftist piece of shit like you would entertain such malignant nonsense.
Who decides what is "bizarre or delusional"? Individual teachers, or the people who actually run the schools, like school administrators? If the school administrators decide on a certain policy, do they have an expectation that the school's employees, including teachers, should follow that policy?
Remember when Florida passed its "don't say gay" law, and you all told us up and down that teachers don't have free speech rights when they are acting as employees and they have to do what they are told by their superiors? Suddenly, that same reasoning doesn't apply here. Typical.
you all told us up and down that teachers don't have free speech rights when they are acting as employees and they have to do what they are told by their superiors?
Is it really that hard to understand that people might, just might, be arguing that the superiors (while yes they do have authority over the employee) are in the wrong? Surely this isn't that fucking hard to understand.
Oh wait, I forgot, you're a pedantic ass-hat, disregard.
Yes we know, you think that the school's policy to do what the parents want is wrong.
Yes when what the parents want is damaging to the child.
He’s a sophist shitweasel too.
Who decides what is "bizarre or delusional"?
Sane, rational people. So you can just sit this out.
do you think that if a student and the student's parents want the student to be referred to by
"they/them" pronouns"nigger", that a teacher should be free to override both the student's and the parents' decision?Also, ask yourself: why did your preferred media source not tell you about this? They framed the discussion as *the school administrators* forcing the teacher to use they/them pronouns, while conveniently omitting the fact that it was THE PARENTS who requested it. Why do you think your video would leave out such an important fact of this case? Hmm? Is it because including this fact would destroy the whole narrative of 'brave teacher standing athwart radical woke school indoctrination'?
As is the case in nearly every single story that you trot out where you depict people acting in absurd ways or people acting like cartoonish villains, there is always more to the story.
Parents request dumb shit.
Oh, and here is a much more thorough, and much less biased, account of the story of Enoch Burke.
https://www.crushell.ie/suspension-and-injunctions-the-case-of-enoch-burke
So let's be clear:
1. He was thrown in jail not for "refusing to use pronouns", but because he continued to try to show up to work even after he was suspended. That is trespassing at that point. If he had simply resigned in protest, or the school had only suspended him and he didn't try to trespass, regardless of whatever pronouns he did or didn't use, he wouldn't have been thrown in jail.
2. The final straw, from the school's point of view, was when Burke decided to protest by interrupting a religious service at the school (it's a Catholic school) and disrupting the whole thing. The students walked out in protest and the whole service had to be cancelled. He deliberately chose to make a very public spectacle of the whole matter. That alone was "gross misconduct".
He chose to be a martyr for the cause.
That is trespassing at that point.
Then he should have been shot in the face, right?
It depends on whether the teacher had a bear in his trunk.
#best_analogy_ever
Jeffy has a hogtied and drugged six year old on his trunk. Shrike sold the kid to him.
Reason's selection of speech issues to be upset about is always interesting.
Nothing about the arrests in the UK and Europe over innocuous political tweets, and nothing about opposition candidates in purported democracies across the West getting arrested and charged with novel crimes.
But a judge pooping on a song that sexualizes minors in Columbia? That's a harbinger of the end of US democracy.
ENB doesn’t want to crimp the potential supply of future sex workers.
toes in the pool at the end of the slippery slope lol
A dude getting 500 days in jail for using the wrong pronouns in Ireland? Too local.
A judge clamps down on song lyrics in a third world country where law enforcement rides around in jeeps with aviator shades and leather gloves? That requires the full article treatment?
"Don't sexualize minors" seems like a small ask. Even in countries, or especially in countries where sexualizing minors is more common than it should be.
The US has "radio edits", and I don't think anything is lost by replacing "fucker" with "sucker."
Up next, "Sexy and 14" by the Stray Cats.
MAPedo Jeffy is a passionate supporter of policies that institutionalize the sexualization of minors, and an even more passionate opponent of any policies that might impede such abuse.
Like the literally HUNDREDS of pro groomer comments Fatfuck made when DeSantis put an anti groomer law in place to protect K-3 children.
>"The particulars of these efforts differ slightly, but at the heart of all of them is an effort to go beyond just restricting and criminalizing things that could be considered "obscene" (
No, the particulars differ *significantly*. It's kind of disturbing that you can't see a difference between that song and providing sexually explicit material to children, especially young children.
Well, one glaring difference is that kids can't get that song in the US public school libraries, yet.
Enb, and whores like her, will never stop acting like whores.
I’m surprised she hasn’t opened her own brothel in Nevada yet. Of course that would make it quite a commute for those beltway cocktail parties.
Maybe, Michael Jackson famously denied fathering his son. Denying the childs right to child support?
Who is Michael to deride her lived experience?
Rotting in a crypt?
According to minimal research, the age of consent in Columbia is 14. Latin American men do have a certain reputation, after all.
That doesn't justify this move, but then again Columbia isn't America so their idea of free speech is that it shouldn't be free at all. Just like the entire rest of the planet.
What a crock of shit
People don't have "owners". The line suggesting that the young woman this song is about does bothers me a lot more than calling her a "hot mama".
Acknowledging that teenage girls may be the objects of male desire does not reduce them to being nothing more than that. It simply says that that is ONE of the things they are, which is true. Insisting that all people under 18 be depicted as sexless would be more of a violation of their rights, in my opinion. Could songs like "Sixteen Candles" and "Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen" wind up being banned? How about the Beatles' "I Saw Her Standing There" (for the opening line "Well she was just 17")?
The issue is lyrics in the song that could be read as sexualizing a teen girl.
Naturally, ENB sees that as something valuable and worth defending.
"+57" is about someone who goes out partying after telling her boyfriend she is going to sleep.
Ahh, even more ENB catnip - it's a song about a liar and a slut.
won't stop any actual sexual harm against children. All it does is stop people from singing about it.
Ahh, so you at least admit that it IS about actual sexual harm against children.
Also, why do you want to encourage the celebration via song, dance, and art, of actual sexual harm against children?
They also tend to come down hard on LGBTQ content.
Because they are openly and proudly announcing their specific laser-focused intent to be predators of children. To confuse, groom, and ultimately abuse them; to employ cult-like tactics to sever their relationship with their parents/friends; to operate in secret and behind the backs of parents and threaten them against any form of interference - I mean, I can keep going.
The LGBT Pedo contagion in this nation is as bad, if not worse, as our illegal immigration problem. We're finally taking some broad strokes against the latter, and to hell with anyone who doesn't like it. No reason we shouldn't be doing the same to the LGBT Pedo.
There are at least two of their kind among the leftists who post here.
>won't stop any actual sexual harm against children. All it does is stop people from singing about it.
Bloodhound gang shout