Defending Student Deportations, Marco Rubio Equates Writing an Anti-Israel Op-Ed With Starting a Riot
The detention of Tufts graduate student Rumeysa Ozturk illustrates the startling breadth of the authority the secretary of state is invoking.

President Donald Trump says he is determined to deport "terrorist sympathizers," including legal permanent residents as well as foreigners with student visas. Secretary of State Marco Rubio says the targets have a history of "tearing things up" on "our university campuses" by starting riots, taking over buildings, and harassing people.
While those descriptions seem accurate as applied to at least some of the foreign students whom Rubio wants to expel, they are less apt in other cases. Contrary to the way Trump and Rubio portray this initiative, neither rhetorical support for terrorism nor disruptive conduct is necessary to invoke the sweeping legal authority on which they are relying, which applies to any noncitizen whose "presence or activities" Rubio thinks could have "potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences."
The contrast between Momodou Taal, a British-Gambian graduate student at Cornell University, and Rumeysa Ozturk, a Turkish graduate student at Tufts University, illustrates the startling breadth of that provision. Taal, who is challenging his deportation and so far has avoided detention, has explicitly endorsed terrorism as a form of justifiable "resistance" and has engaged in disruptive protests. But neither seems to be true of Ozturk, who was arrested last week on the street in Somerville, Massachusetts, by masked immigration agents and is being held at a detention center in Louisiana.
On the day of the barbaric attack that set off the war in Gaza, Taal offered a take that was shockingly common among campus protesters who blamed Israeli policy for the Hamas invasion. "Wherever you have oppression, you will find those who [are] fighting against it," Taal wrote on X. "Glory to the Resistance!" Two days later, he reiterated that "colonised peoples have the right to resist by any means necessary."
Last year, Taal was suspended twice because of his involvement in disruptive protest activities at Cornell: a pro-Palestinian encampment on the Arts Quad and the forcible invasion of a career fair at Statler Hall. After the second suspension, Taal said he was "effectively being deported." But he was ultimately allowed to continue working on a Ph.D. in Africana studies, albeit remotely.
Ozturk's main offense, by contrast, seems to be co-authoring a March 2024 op-ed piece in The Tufts Daily. The essay, which was co-written by three other graduate students, criticized Tufts President Sunil Kumar's "wholly inadequate and dismissive" response to three anti-Israel resolutions passed by the Tufts Community Union Senate. The resolutions demanded that the university "acknowledge the Palestinian genocide," stop the sale of Sabra products in Tufts dining facilities, and divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel. A fourth resolution, which failed on a tie vote, would have demanded an end to study-abroad programs at Israeli universities.
Those resolutions "disappointed" Kumar, who explained his position in a message to Tufts students, faculty, and staff:
As we have done in the past, we reject the Boycott Divestment Sanctions [BDS] movement, we wholeheartedly support academic freedom and all our academic and exchange programs, and we will continue to work with all companies that we engage with and do business with now. These resolutions, which mirror others being promoted by student groups at universities and colleges nationwide, do not promote nuanced understanding through broader dialogue. The immense loss of life in Gaza is tragic. We mourn with the Palestinians, but we also feel for the Israelis grieving over those they have lost and share their desire for the safe return of the hostages. It is possible to hold both of these views simultaneously. It is also possible for us to be supportive of both the right of Israel to exist and for the self-determination rights of the Palestinian people. However, these resolutions do not allow for these views to coexist and, as a result, force our community into opposing groups rather than uniting us to build from areas of agreement.
Ozturk was dismayed by Kumar's dismay. "These resolutions were the product of meaningful debate by the Senate and represent a sincere effort to hold Israel accountable for clear violations of international law," she and her co-authors wrote. "Credible accusations against Israel include accounts of deliberate starvation and indiscriminate slaughter of Palestinian civilians and plausible genocide."
Ozturk, in short, is on record as a supporter of the BDS movement, which offends many people for the reasons Kumar laid out, and as a polemicist who recognizes no meaningful distinction between "genocide" and a war of self-defense that kills innocent people. In those respects, she resembles many left-leaning students at universities across the country. But aside from that tendentious essay, Ozturk does not seem to have done much that could be characterized as harmful to U.S. interests, let alone violated university rules or the rights of other people at Tufts.
Prior to Ozturk's detention, which prompted a local protest that attracted more than 2,000 supporters last week, her essay about the BDS resolutions was her only appearance in The Tufts Daily. Ozturk's arrest "doesn't really make sense, because she wasn't a figure on campus," Najiba Akbar, a former Muslim chaplain at Tufts, told The New York Times. "I don't think she was active in banned groups like Students for Justice in Palestine. From what I know, she was doing her thing, doing her Ph.D."
The Department of Homeland Security claims Ozturk "engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans." It adds that "glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be terminated," which it calls "commonsense security."
When Rubio was asked about Ozturk's detention at a press conference last Thursday, he implied that she was guilty by association. "If you apply for a visa to enter the United States and be a student," he said, and "the reason why you're coming to the United States is not just 'cause you wanna write op-eds, but because you wanna participate in movements that are involved in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings, creating a ruckus, we're not gonna give you a visa."
If "you lie to us and get a visa and then enter the United States and with that visa participate in that sort of activity, we're gonna take away your visa," Rubio added. "And once you've lost your visa, you're no longer legally in the United States." It would be "stupid for any country in the world to welcome people" who are "going to your universities to start a riot," "take over a library," or "harass people," he said. But he did not claim Ozturk had done anything like that.
So far, Rubio said, he has revoked about 300 student visas based on foreign policy concerns. "Every time I find one of these lunatics, I take away their visa," he said. "We're looking every day for these lunatics that are tearing things up….We gave you a visa to come and study and get a degree, not become a social activist that tears up our university campuses."
That gloss rings true as applied to an activist like Taal, who went beyond praising Hamas (which on its own would be constitutionally protected speech) by engaging in conduct that interfered with other people's use of Cornell facilities, to the point that he was banned from campus. But Rubio's description is more than a little misleading as applied to a student like Ozturk, who seems to have done nothing more than express views that offend Rubio.
According to Rubio, that's enough to make someone "subject to removal" under 8 USC 1227(a)(4)(C)(i). He is probably right about that, which underlines the menace that the provision poses to due process and freedom of speech.
On its face, Section 1227(a)(4)(C)(i) covers any speech related to foreign policy that the secretary of state deems contrary to U.S. interests. Commentary on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is just one of many possible examples, which could include opinions about the war in Ukraine, the U.S. role in European defense, the merits of Trump's trade war, the U.S. response to human rights abuses in other countries, or literally any other foreign policy issue.
"The range of circumstances that could warrant deportation" under Section 1227(a)(4)(C)(i) is "virtually boundless," Maryanne Trump Barry, the president's sister, noted in a decision she wrote as a federal judge in 1996. The law grants the secretary of state "unrestrained power," she said, "authoriz[ing] a heretofore unknown scope of executive enforcement power vis-a-vis the individual with utterly no standards provided to the Secretary of State or to the legal aliens subject to its provisions." The statute "provides absolutely no notice to aliens as to what is required of them," Barry added, and "represents a breathtaking departure…from well established legislative precedent," which "commands deportation based on adjudications of defined impermissible conduct by the alien in the United States."
Those features, Barry concluded, made Section 1227(a)(4)(C)(i) "unconstitutionally vague." That is especially problematic when it is used to punish people for speech protected by the First Amendment.
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With how much you guys write about this topic you seem very uninterested in the actual laws or conditions for visa holders.
I'm wondering if there is a single deportation of any kind Reason is OK with. Including outright border crossing illegals, convicted of violent felonies and on 14 kinds of welfare. If so, it's a company secret.
Yes, deporting MAGA people, or members of the Trump family would have their full support.
“MAGA=Miriam Adelson’s Goals Achieved”
What politician of any stripe is opposing Trumps unconstitutional fascism and complicity in the Israeli genocide in Gaza?
They’re all in on it, just sneakier than the arrogant loudmouth Trump. Their hands so deep in the pockets of genocidal Jews, politicians aren’t working for their constituents.
This is how Jews behave as they commit their holocaust in Gaza.
This is how Jews behaved when they overthrew the Russian monarchy to create the Soviet Union and the KGB.
But as long as the cerebral intelligencia only pontificate while the slack jawed masses drool, the real agents of change are the people who get off their asses to stand up to be seen and heard in protest.
Refuted.
"That gloss rings true as applied to an activist like Taal" seems they're fine with deporting Tael. It seems to be only the people that did nothing to warrant deportation they object to.
Perhaps technically you are correct. But if there was a single article hailing the effective closing of the border, I missed it. Could you refer a link, cause I can't find a single happy word for this campaign promise kept? (This would also entail a drastic reduction of the wealth transfer industry, something Reason should celebrate).
It seems to be only the people that did nothing to warrant deportation they object to.
TL,DR: Fuck you. Cut spending.
You seem to presume the default state is rightful citizenship and/or innocence (as opposed to criminal guilt). This is not the case. I can choose to deport you from my home at will, you or anyone else doesn't get to decide whether it's warranted or not. There may be a case to be had that she's being ejected by some cruel and unusual manner but that doesn't address or refute the deportation itself.
Considering that, e.g., Columbia and your retarded peers are so stupid as to say that a private university cannot continue to operate without the "funding brinksmanship" of taxpayer funds, I, Rubio, and every other taxpayer are fully entitled to tell you fuck off as Ozturk gets shipped back to parts unknown. Don't like it? End student loan programs and all the other disparate, political favor access programs like student visas that get abused by terrorists, drug dealers, and regular immigrants alike.
Remember when you threw a tantrum when Elian Gonzalez’ kidnappers were forced to return him to his father?? That was weird, right??
We all 'remember' you are a steaming pile of lefty shit who should fuck off and die, asshole.
So throwing a tantrum so a sex trafficker could keep a little boy in America was the “conservative” position?? Ok.
If an illegal raped enbs daughter, ENB would say her daughter deserved it. These are not people.
"Marco Rubio Equates Writing an Anti-Israel Op-Ed With Starting a Riot"
Probably because the Op-Ed guy actually started two riots.
Sullum is pretending that this nugget isn't the reason he is being expelled, just the article:
"Last year, Taal was suspended twice because of his involvement in disruptive protest activities at Cornell: a pro-Palestinian encampment on the Arts Quad and the forcible invasion of a career fair at Statler Hall."
Why do Reason lies always have to be so stupid? If someone is going to try and trick me I'd like it to be halfways clever.
Sullum discredited himself years ago.
So, the article was poorly written (shocking, I know) but the "writer of the Op-Ed" refers to Ozturk, not Taal.
But honestly, I just don't fucking care anymore. I'm tired of being told that we simply must allow shitty people who aren't citizens to remain within the country. Just... fuck off, people. By which yes, I mean Ozturk, and Taal, and Khalil, and any other non-citizen who participated in the pro-rap, pro-murder, anti-Israel protests of the last year and a half. And Sullum can fuck off for advocating that crap, too.
Is one of those laws and conditions to keep your mouth shut and don't say anything to piss off the US government? Is that spelled out in the visa application? Is there a list of off-limit topics? If he did something illegal like inciting a riot, then prosecute him and consider deportation. If it's not worth prosecuting, then STFU and consider that's the price of freedom.
Not that it matters, but anti-Israel was a fairly popular opinion on campuses at the time.
You could answer these questions pretty fucking easily with a quick search and reading some history on the subject.
They have visas issued based on conditions. Such as not working on a student visa.
Instead of arguing from what you feel the law is, educate yourself on what the law actually is.
Indeed. He can google an application. I love his argument out of 100% ignorance.
Ignorance is strength to all democrats.
Who the fuck brought up working on the student visa? Straw-man much? He was thrown out over pro-hamas statements. No, that's not a fucking crime, and, like most speech, is (or should be) protected speech, and cannot be (or should not be) sanctionable by the government. Rights apply to all law-abiding persons inside the US.
Ignorance is strength to all democrats.
BTW, I consider myself on of the last few libertarians around here that haven't yet been run off by the Trumpanzees. I support only limited government. Gov't must stick to the US constitution, stay out of people's lives. I never blinding accept government actions and statements, never accept their statements without proof. I defend someone's right to say something as vehemently as I oppose what they are saying. Deporting or disappearing ANYONE without proof of a crime and just because they're annoying is Fascist shit.
So, guys, try to come up with a valid argument instead of regurgitating the regime's talking points.
You proved you have zero interest in how visas work or the conditions placed as an agreement between the country and applicant in your first paragraph.
Lol.
BTW, I consider myself on of the last few libertarians around here that haven't yet been run off by the Trumpanzees.
And with this sentence you sound like every fucking liberal pretending to be libertarian here.
Based on your ignorance you've never actually understood what libertarianism is.
Then you rant doe the rest of your post AGAIN not understanding what a visa actually is.
Libertarianism isn't a fucking death pact. It includes responsibility. The responsibility these people violated. They agreed to terms, they violated them. But guess fuck contracts huh?
If you want to hold onto liberty, not blindly importing those calling for the destruction of the west is kind of a fucking requirement. Not importing poverty by taking from others is kind of a fucking requirement.
You're not a libertarian. You have no understanding of it. You just think a few things and blindly think that's libertarian.
And as for the constitution. I literally provided a 9-0 USSC case just below. But instead of educating yourself you argue from your feels.
Collectivist Undercover Cosplaying Liberal Libertine (CUCLL).
I coined this!
But guess fuck contracts huh?
What about unconscionable contracts?
What about it Lying Jeffy?
What makes them "unconscionable", Lying Jeffy?
Why don't you ask Jesse? He was bleating for years about contracts from social media companies where they reserved the right to change their terms of service at any time that they wanted. He said those types of contracts were unconscionable. Well, if that is the standard for 'unconscionable', then what would you call a contract which demands that the visitor is forbidden to exercise their natural rights in a way that the government disapproves of?
You're the one who said it, weasel.
What do YOU think makes them "unconscionable"?
I'm not playing your games, sorry.
Ask Jesse why social media companies writing contracts permitting themselves to change the terms of service at any time is 'unconscionable', but the government writing a contract which forbids foreigners from exercising their natural rights in ways that makes the government upset is not 'unconscionable'.
Lying Jeffy can't answer another basic question.
And he is absolutely playing games.
If you can’t follow the rules, don’t fucking come here in the first place. Those assholes chose the consequences when they chose the behavior. Buh-bye! Once they are returned home, which should be very soon, they can mouth off as much as they want.
Why do you think the rules themselves are just?
They are guests. If they can’t comport themselves respectfully, they will be escorted out. I’m hoping none of these assholes here fall through the cracks and somehow remain.
They are free to run their mouths as much as they want from their homes abroad.
"They are guests" does not permit the government to do whatever it wishes. And let's not forget, Ozturk is a guest *of Tufts University*, and they didn't see fit to kick her out. If Tufts was fine with letting her stay, why should the government contradict their decision?
If they can’t comport themselves respectfully
Why is it that it's the government that decides what 'respectfully' means, and not, say, the actual host of said guest, like Tufts University?
It doesn’t permit the govt to treat them the way you’d like to treat a 14 year old boy that passes the citizenship test and physical test (the one you could never pass) you once spoke about. It just permits the govt to revoke their visa.
It isn’t Tuft’s decision to keep the soon-to-be-deported foreign national because Tuft’s doesn’t issue visas. That’s why.
""They are guests" does not permit the government to do whatever it wishes."
Who said it permits the government to do whatever it wishes? Oh, that's right, nobody.
More lies from Lying Jeffy.
You're dodging the real question here. You said that guests who don't comport themselves 'respectfully' have to leave. Who decides what 'respectfully' means? The people who actually invited Ozturk have one definition, the government has another definition. Why should the government's definition be paramount here?
Fuck off Pedo Jeffy. You don’t ime the rules? Get them changed. If you had your way, it would be impossible to deport a convicted child rapist. Who you have stated has every right to come here.
The people that issue the visas decide. It isn’t Tufts or a fatass marxist MAPedo in a comments section that decides.
The people that issue the visas decide.
You understand that with this statement you are arguing against freedom of association, even for citizens? Because you are saying that only the state should be able to decide who ought to be able to associate with whom.
Jeff, are you really arguing that nation states don’t get to decide who come and go into their sovereign territory?
If yes, then obviously we can deduce you don’t believe in sovereignty. If no, then at some level even you admit the government gets a say in your associations.
They can still associate after the assholes are deported. They can Zoom, Teams, text, phone, or email as well as Tufts can relocate to the soon-to-be-deported assholes’ home nation(s). Unless of course they, as guests, do not comport themselves properly.
Citizens are free to associate with other citizens.
I also find it interesting that you think it is the state's job to decide what constitutes "respectful behavior" for everyone.
More questions that Lying Jeffy refuses to answer. All while repeatedly demanding everyone else answer his questions.
So dishonest.
Why should the government have any business whatsoever deciding what constitutes "respectful behavior" for anyone? They can fuck right off with that. It's not their job. It is the HOST'S job to decide that, not the government's. Yet one more sign you want the government to be the moral police.
"I also find it interesting that you think it is the state's job to decide what constitutes "respectful behavior" for everyone."
Everyone? No, just another lie from Lying Jeffy.
Jeff, are you really arguing that nation states don’t get to decide who come and go into their sovereign territory?
I believe that the government should only restrict people from entering the territory for two utilitarian reasons: 1. people who are sick and 2. people who are known criminals. Not for bullshit reasons like "not showing enough respect". It is not the state's job to be judging respectfulness.
you don’t believe in sovereignty
I have a different understanding of what 'sovereignty' means. I don't believe 'sovereignty' means that the government has absolute control over whatever happens in its territory. Instead I believe sovereignty means that government has rightful jurisdiction. So if you cross the border into Libertopia, you may be rightfully judged according to the laws of the Libertopian government. It doesn't mean necessarily that the Libertopian government may stop you from entering in the first place.
DesigNate, do you think that if Tufts University believes that Ozturk is behaving sufficiently respectfully according to their understanding, that the government should override that decision and deport her anyway?
Does Lying Jeffy think we live in Libertopia? Of course not, he's just lying again.
Hey look, another question from Lying Jeffy, who refuses to answer questions asked of him.
Games indeed. Dishonest games. That's why he's Lying Jeffy.
Citizens are free to associate with other citizens.
Why? What if some of those citizens are not sufficiently "respectful" according to your standard or the government's standard?
You understand that with this statement you are arguing against freedom of association, even for citizens? Because you are saying that only the state should be able to decide who ought to be able to associate with whom.
Nope. Already addressed. Keep crying. These pieces of shit are getting shipped back home. Return to sender.
Why? What if some of those citizens are not sufficiently "respectful" according to your standard or the government's standard?
Now you’re just chucking strawmen.
Dishonesty is all Lying Jeffy has.
Nope.
No, it is true. It is no different than the gun grabbers who say that since you still have the right to own a handgun, that banning "assault rifles" is okay. It's still an infringement of your liberties.
And my point here is that if you think the government should have the power to decide on the exercise of natural rights based on "respect", then there is no reason why the state can't eventually use that power against citizens too.
But I am not surprised that you don't recognize this, because you automatically place citizens in a higher moral status category compared to everyone else.
Now you’re just chucking strawmen.
Why is this a strawman? You say that foreigners should be kicked out if they are not sufficiently "respectful" according to the government. Well, citizens are certainly capable of being just as disrespectful, even more so, than any foreigner. Why should the lack of respect from citizens be tolerated but lack of respect from foreigners not be?
Not even close. All of your statements have been previously addressed. You’re just flailing. Like a beached whale.
Tell your paymaster to send something less weak than you.
In the meantime, so long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, goodbye! Pieces of shit going home. Buh-bye!
This is where you can't address my points so you run away. So, adieu indeed.
“two utilitarian reasons: 1. people who are sick and 2. people who are known criminals.”
I could have sworn you argued against Trump’s border rules during Covid, maybe I’m thinking of someone else. And didn’t you argue that we should grant asylum to child predators that are fleeing persecution in their home country (thus gaining the ire and monikers from other posters)?
“Instead I believe sovereignty means that government has rightful jurisdiction.”
I think most people understand that sovereignty means absolute control over a specific/defined geographical area. Otherwise, there is no need for nation states at all. (I’m sympathetic to anarcho-capitalism, but it’s as much a pipe dream as anarcho-communism, so arguing from Libertopia seems a fools errand).
“do you think that if Tufts University believes that Ozturk is behaving sufficiently respectfully according to their understanding, that the government should override that decision and deport her anyway?”
It doesn’t really matter what Tufts thinks as they aren’t the ones who issued the visa with agreed upon conditions. Unfortunately, Freedom of Association gets a wee bit trickier when you go international.
"Trumpanzees"
Honk honk!
Bring on Elvin and The Chiptrumps
I consider myself on of the last few libertarians around here that haven't yet been run off by the Trumpanzees.
Never seen your nick here before, so who are you really?
I almost wanna say that the user ID and the tone feel and sound like the Ken Shultz impersonator who was citing Wikipedia as a culturally relevant source.
Either way, "Trumpanzees" in 2025 is between pretty batshit insane and cravenly stupid. Even diehards like Bill Maher and Jon Stewart have started to realize that "OK, maybe we did go a little bit overboard and some of the more middle-of-the-road Trump supporters aren't raving lunatics."
"He was thrown out over pro-hamas statements."
We know you're ignorant. You do not need to continuously demonstrate it.
Not that it matters, but anti-Israel was a fairly popular opinion on campuses at the time.
Yes, "killing all the Jews" was once a popular topic all over Germany at one time as well, but generally speaking that's frowned upon these days. I have to put up with that bullshit from citizens. I don't have to put up with that plus calls for the demolition of my society as well from guests.
"Is one of those laws and conditions to keep your mouth shut and don't say anything to piss off the US government?"'
Is one of the requirements that we should respond to idiotic questions from brain-dead lefty shits?
Do your own homework, asshole.
They can say whatever they would like, from their home country.
The US Constitution gives them the right to say whatever they would like while in the United States.
Their visa can be and will be revoked. Buh-bye!
Not for 1A protected speech.
Is belonging to the Communist Party 1st Amendment protected?
Molly has never read through constitution so doesn't know own assembly rights are also there.
Doesn't care either.
We need a constitutional amendment specifically outlawing the practice of Marxism. With the death penalty for the more egregious violations.
This continues to be false.
Hegseth is to Hegel as Groucho is to Marx.
Man you guys get dumber.
Who mentioned hegseth here dumdum?
Is this the one with the “vvhats up with that” blog?
Yeah, it's that fucktard.
He’s very cunty. And kind of stupid.
Don't get between Shrike and his Marx, folks.
What if it were a young boy?
Who could? Even shim stock would feel cramped in that space.
Public Entelectual is to intelligence as a slug is to intelligence.
Fuck off and take your lying, fake web site with you, asswipe.
All the way back in 2024 under Biden...
https://www.boundless.com/blog/supreme-court-rules-courts-cant-review-visa-revocations/
Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, writing for a unanimous Court, stated that visa revocations are purely discretionary decisions by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that Congress has placed beyond judicial review.
Tony Godiva will still lie about this.
We block grad students for political reasons all the time. Or put up massive guard rails. Just try to get a grad student from Iran for a high tech research program. Even if he's allowed on soil and admitted, good luck securing funding from normal channels. It's a different context, but different rules apply when coming to foreigners and their terms for acceptance and remaining here. It's the law.
Democrats won’t acknowledge any of that. They have to lie. That’s how weak their arguments are.
Unfortunately, it's not just Democrats. All the pro-state sheep instinctively look to their shepherds for protection *and* guidance as to what feels right.
Even if what you say is true, then we should amend the law, pronto. The world is teaming with anti-liberal goons. It's a good idea to keep them away.
Molly, are you in the US on a visa? If so, your theory can be tested.
Kind of, yeah. The 1A assures you will not be CRIMINALLY charged.
And they are not.
But we are under no obligation to issue a visa nor to allow you to keep one. They are solely on the whims of the executive.
At will, asshole.
Nope.
Charlie, are you in the US on a visa? You too can test that theory.
Oh, wouldn't that be nice!
Equates Writing an Anti-Israel Op-Ed With Starting a Riot
*clears throat, cracks knuckles, rolls shoulders*
You know who else...
Jacob Sullum regarding J6?
What did he write about that?
He blamed trumps speech for it. March and go peacefully as incitement. Petitioning courts as incitement.
Like sarc he can’t help but lie.
If it wasn't said today, it was never said. Amnesty.
Full quotes should also receive amnesty. Even if typed the same day.
First Amendment of the Sarcasian constitution.
I thought it was the fifth, where Sarcasians plead for it.
Fifth is free plastic rotgut in every gullet.
Dammit Jesse, you beat me to it.
Examples.
https://reason.com/2024/01/19/trumps-supreme-court-brief-rebuts-the-claim-that-he-engaged-in-insurrection/
https://reason.com/2023/12/21/was-the-capitol-riot-an-insurrection-and-did-trump-engage-in-it/
I want Sullum and his Marxist democrat collaborators to quadruple down on this, and become more violent than ever. This will accomplish a number of things. First, it will provide more legal opportunities to hurt, or even kill them. It will also, turn independents and more centrist democrats against them.
It will also bring about a new age of McCarthyism. Then they can be utterly destroyed. As it should be.
A genocidal zionist wants to bring about a new age of McCarthyism so he can kill more people? My, that’s a surprise.
I don’t want to kill people. I want to kill marxist traitors. And you do t count as people. People,have souls..
Oh, and hail Israel! Death to Hamas!
"What did he write about that?"
It'd be a pretty easy thing to find out, TBH. He's written about it constantly and makes the same asinine arguments.
He. Has. Amnesty.
Nothing written or said before today counts.
JS;dr
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Surely Jacob Sullum is aware that the Supreme Court held that deporting an alien for being a member of the Communist Party did not violate the First Anendment.
The Supreme Court also said that people of African ancestry could never be United States citizens.
It took the 14th Amendment to change that.
Not in Trumps view where birthright citizenship doesn't exist
This is a lie. Lol.
God damn you're getting more retarded by the day.
How does one go negative on intelligence?
Vote democrat enough.
You REALLY do not know what you're writing about.
Is your logic: SCOTUS made bad rulings in the past. So we are free to ignore all other precedents? Or is it like a buffet: Pick and chose the ones you like. Especially coddling anti-Western anti-liberal foreigners?
Any ruling that contradicts very explicit language in the Constitution is a bad ruling and needs to be ignored.
Libertarians used to believe that but now they are okay with ignoring the Constitution as long as it increases the power of government to oppress people without due process.
A generation ago this would have been seen by all as the opposite of Libertarianism. But today it is something Mussolini would have loved.
Whats the explicit language in the constitution regarding visas? Hint. Guess which article discusses working with foreign nations.
Cite the ruling or STFU, steaming pile of lying lefty shit.
It is Constitutional now only to throw out student visa holders cause we just felt like it. We can block them from coming here in the first place. You may not like it. But the Constitution allows pretty much unlimited power for federal control over its borders.
But the Constitution allows pretty much unlimited power for federal control over its borders.
No it doesn't. The only power explicitly granted by the Constitution over borders is the power to repel invasions. And in the 18th century, an invasion was the actual military kind of armies marching across borders, not unarmed penniless Guatemalans hopping a fence.
Jeffy, come on, you lost, You try and distort facts while making your disingenuous, sophist arguments, but it doesn’t matter. Border and immigration law in no way works the way you say. You’re not fooling anyone, and you’re not in charge.
You just turn people against your cause, all while making a fool of yourself.
Did you know that.
The Supreme Court rejected ,on the merits, a First Amendment challenge against the United States kicking out an alien for being a Communist. Harisiades v. Shaughnessy, 342 U.S. 580 (1952)
“….government to oppress people..”
“You’re an asshole. Get the fuck out” is not “oppression”, chuck.
Drama queen.
Those facing deportation can argue that the Supreme Court should overrule Harisiades v. Shaughnessy, 342 U.S. 580 (1952) when they file a petition for certiorari after losing in inferior courts.
I'm supposed to believe the leftist that thinks "protest peacefully and patriotically" is code for riot and start an insurrection? Here and with BLM he is willing to overlook assault, arson and seizing property as long as it's his side speaking through violence?
Oh the irony.
What irony?
MG has no idea what that word means.
Do you think she might be Alanis Morissette?
It’s like getting your student visa, running your mouth and you’re out. Isn’t it ironic.
…..yeah, I really do think….
If you would have read the rest of the article, Nazi, you would have learned that the article writer actually did start a riot... twice.
"Last year, Taal was suspended twice because of his involvement in disruptive protest activities at Cornell: a pro-Palestinian encampment on the Arts Quad and the forcible invasion of a career fair at Statler Hall."
But Sullum swears that it's only the article that he's being expelled for and not the Statler Hall invasion.
Marco Rubio is a statist of the first order. How any libertarian can admire him is beyond me.
How?
Libertarians seem to have surrendered all principles.
Lol. You have zero fucking principles outside what the Act Blue narrative is. Which can change on a whim.
Act Blue might be going to jail.
https://virginiamercury.com/2024/08/05/miyares-takes-aim-at-democratic-fundraising-platform-actblue/
Lefty shits never had any. Get reamed with a barb-wire wrapped broomstick, asshole.
If a guest acts like an asshole in my house, they are removed. Buh-bye.
Good thing you've never been libertarian then, huh?
Lil’ Marco wants so much to be a loyal member of the genocidal zionist club. Needs to pull himself up by his lil’ bootstraps.
I'm glad Buttplug has yanked off the mask and is now being openly anti-semitic.
All the fake libertarians are now. Been amazing to watch.
Where have I ever stated I was seeking sainthood or a budding libertarian ya genocidal zionist ball sac slurper?
When it comes to those endorsing genocide, I’ll give no quarter.
Except to Hamas; according to assholes like you, they can do no wrong.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
I dare you to link me ONE TIME to where I’ve stated the murderous thugs in Hamas could do no harm you glue sniffing turd ball.
Why should I assume otherwise when you constantly claim those defending themselves against Hamas are involved in "genocide"?
Do you expect the rest of us here, like you, are capable of simultaneously believing two contradictory views? That we are, equally, the brain-dead equivalent of you? You might hope that you can espouse one claim once and the polar opposite next and hope to be seen 'consistent', but not to those to whom 1+1=2.
Fuck off and die, antisemite lefty shit.
So we can all support the destruction of a whole race and/or society of people because a few criminal members of their population committed heinous crimes?
Well, you’ve certainly demonstrated your brain capacity, genius.
Yes, we know you support the destruction of Israeli society.
Now go kill yourself.
"So we can all support the destruction of a whole race and/or society of people because a few criminal members of their population committed heinous crimes?"
No, we recognize antisemitic shits like you will lie to justify your antisemitism, Nazi shit.
You seem to hope those of us here will accept your bullshit without examination; you're wrong, shitbag.
You are with Hamas. Stop lying.
Anti-zionist != antisemitic.
Of course the zionists want to label all their enemies anti-semite. Same trick as Obama supporters calling all his detractors racist
Hamas really IS anti-Semitic. And these folks are open Hamas supporters.
Still doesn't take away their 1st Amendment rights.
Still doesn't fuckung matter. See case cite above.
Nobody is being CRIMINALLY charged for anything.
Withdrawing a visa is a civil issue, not criminal.
I’m trying to figure out how much of their confusion is dishonesty, and how much is garden variety stupidity.
Anti zionist. The code word created to avoid being called antisemitic lol.
^+1. Some of his best friends are Jews, right?
Nah. His hatred of them has nothing to do with his anti-Zionism though. 🙂
I am a Jew, you dumb shit mother fuckers lol.
So's Soros you pathetic pile of lefty shit.
I’m also a republican (or at least so registered) ya glue sniffin bag a fat.
Keep lying, steaming pile of lefty shit.
Cool story bro. We totally believe you. Hey, why don’t you tell all of us about your totally hot girlfriend that we wouldn’t know because she’s from Niagara Falls.
I totes believe you.
Really.
I don’t know how long you’ve been around here at reason, Turco. But welcome aboard!
Yes it is. 'anti-zionism' is the disguise. 'oh, we don't want Jews exterminated, we just want them gone. From everywhere.'
There doesn’t seem to be any pro-Jewish faith/people pro-Semite-Zionists left. Israeli and Zionist perspectives have been overrun by non-Jewish anti-Semitic European genocidal ball sac slurping racists.
Is that a confession or the way the letters were on the fridge door today?
Take another pull from your glue bag, ya barb-wire wrapped broomstick packing nut-bag.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
I’ve already survived many deaths. What’s another?
Try huffing at that bag that fixates you, asshole.
Sure, pass it over.
When they stuff your ass in the ground, please have your family tell me alone where your grave is. Don't wanna stand in line to piss on it.
Fuck off and die, shitbag.
That all you got, pussy?
Trump says, "If you support terrorism, including the slaughtering of innocent men, women, and children, your presence is contrary to our national and foreign policy interests, and you are not welcome here.”
I wholeheartedly agree. All the US Zionists supporting and funding the genocidal Israeli Zionists are not welcome. Looks like we're going to need a whole new Congress, along with a new President and all his followers. Problem is... where will they go? Nobody else wants them.
Nope. This country belongs to us, you’re just some democrat traitor taking the leg way around to your eventual home, piled in landfill with your fellow travelers.
The secretary of state should have done this with several foreign students attending flight schools in the US back in 2000 and 2001.
They should have used 8 USC 1227 (a)(4)(C)(i) ("An alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.") Back then.
Had they done that, then those several foreign students probably wouldn't have been able to murder over 3000 people in one day.
Of course Charlie, assuming he had evidence indicating probable cause to believe they had engaged in a criminal conspiracy to commit murder.
No, asswipe; the deportations are not a result of criminal actions; they are civil.
I realize that brain-dead lefty shits like you have difficulty processing information, but that should be simple enough for even an ignoramus of your stupidity.
Oh come on Sevo, that’s just the glue talking. One does not get handcuffed and taken into custody for a civil violation. See you at next week’s session. (Don’t worry, I promise not to tell the others). Remember to leave your barbwire wrapped broomstick outside the front door.
"...One does not get handcuffed and taken into custody for a civil violation..."
So it wasn't simple enough? Sorry, you lose; one does in deportation cases where one is a flight risk. You ARE a stupid shit.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
No, actually a civil case must include a criminal allegation before a lawful arrest can be made. You must have been dreaming or under a glue induced euphoria during that portion of the class presentation in your pretend law school course.
You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about.
Now go commit suicide.
"No, actually a civil case must include a criminal allegation before a lawful arrest can be made."
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
"You must have been dreaming or under a glue induced euphoria during that portion of the class presentation in your pretend law school course."
You seem fixated on glue, shitbag - why is that?
Had they done that, then those several foreign students probably wouldn't have been able to murder over 3000 people in one day.
We'd have one less AUMF, two fewer quagmire wars, everyone would be able to board a plane at the gate, and student visa holders getting uppity about Hamas wouldn't be as big a deal because of all of the above... but that's not what Reason or Sullum wants.
They don't want actual free speech or freedom. They need controversy to generate clicks.
'my words are speech, your speech is violence.'
Chickens coming home to roost.
Also Sullum, weren't you whining that Trump caused J6 because of his speech?
"That's (D)ifferent!"
With each passing day, the Trump crowd makes it plainly clear that they really do believe in a hierarchy of liberty. Some people are just more entitled to liberty than others. American citizens are a privileged class and therefore they have liberty. Foreigners are not, and so therefore they don't have the full measure of liberty.
And I'm not talking about civil rights like voting, I'm talking about all liberty, including natural rights like freedom of speech or freedom of association. To the MAGA crowd, foreigners just don't have these rights at all. Even though the Declaration of Independence, that they claim to revere, states quite plainly that "all men are created equal" with "certain inalienable rights".
If this is how they view liberty, then it's not really liberty, but privileges granted by the state. Because true liberty is a birthright of every human being, and just governments are bound to respect and protect that liberty. Instead, to Team MAGA, what they call "liberty" is actually privileges to be doled out by the state. We only have free speech rights because THEY think we have earned the privilege of free speech rights. How do we earn the privilege? By being "pro-America" of course.
Sometimes I wish I could express myself like you, Jeff.
As has been pointed out to you repeatedly, foreigners here as our guests do not have any "liberty" nor "natural right" to remain in our country without our permission. They may enjoy all their rights at home. Or wherever else they are welcome. None of the deported aliens who have made the news lately are being prosecuted for exercising any right.
A just government is obliged to respect the natural rights of everyone within its jurisdiction. Including foreigners. Do you agree or disagree?
foreigners here as our guests
Who is the "our"? In the case of Ozturk, the people who actually invited her - Tufts University - didn't see fit to kick her out. Why does their decision not matter here?
Do you not realize that by inserting the government in between Tufts and Ozturk, you are actually violating the free association rights *of citizens*?
A just government is obliged to respect the natural rights of everyone within its jurisdiction. Including foreigners. Do you agree or disagree?
No. And to insist otherwise is to transform freedom into a religion.
Well, okay then. What rights, if any, is a just government obliged to respect of a foreigner within its jurisdiction?
Life. Non-enslavement.
And that's basically it.
Why? Why can't the government just murder or enslave all the foreigners? What right would they have to object to such a thing?
Look at Lying Jeffy go!
Oh just shut up. You are a tired and boring clown at this point.
Oh just shup up. You're a psychopathic liar.
Come on Nobartium, why can't you answer this one?
What authority restrains the government from just murdering or enslaving all the foreigners? You said they don't have any rights except the right to live and the right not to be enslaved. Why not?
Citizen morality.
As it always was when they were granted entry.
So citizens decide what rights that foreigners have. Is that it?
So you are explicitly arguing against natural rights. So be it, I suppose.
What if citizens decide that foreigners should have natural rights, as a matter of principle? Do foreigners then gain those rights?
To the point that those citizens keep that mindset.
I'll point you to the results of the last election as proof.
Well then.
What if citizens, via an election, decide that *other citizens* shouldn't have natural rights? Is that okay?
This is just very sad. I suppose in your world rights are decided upon by elections and polls. This really is just "might makes right".
What if citizens, via an election, decide that *other citizens* shouldn't have natural rights? Is that okay?
Free and fair elections MUST permit the "wrong" outcomes, otherwise this isn't an election.
Lying Jeffy keeps trying to use this same lie.
otherwise this isn't an election.
Otherwise it's not a *pure democracy*. Which is terrific. I don't want tyranny of the majority. But evidently you do.
For the life of me I don't understand people like you, who explicitly endorse the authority of the mob to oppress people via the ballot box. Do you think that you will never be on the receiving end of that oppression?
Unlike you, I accept that the consequences of self-governance means that there is less diversity in any given locale.
If I were to find myself in such a situation, I'd leave and never come back.
Why do any of us have to explain this to you? You’ve already is the original argument. Now you’re just making a superfluous semantically one that wallows in malignant sophistry.
It’s pathetic, and basically, so are you.
And to insist otherwise is to transform freedom into a religion.
What does this even mean? You do understand that you are at a libertarian forum, right? Of course I value freedom, not just for me but for all people, and I'm going to value it very highly. Why do you think this is problematic?
What does this even mean?
To quote you:
Freedom is a birthright of all humans.
This is a statement of religious belief, it is unfalsifiable (hilarious for a "chemist"), and is fully at odds with all of history. Last I checked, you weren't a theocrat. And if you want to start with faith-based beliefs as your basis of morality, you should start with an actual faith, not new age bullshit.
It's from the Declaration of Independence. It is the foundational principle of this nation, at least I thought it was anyway.
and is fully at odds with all of history.
For most of history, governments were authoritarian monsters. The DoI, and the Enlightenment generally, showed a different way. That a *just* government is one that respected the liberty of all people. Authoritarian dictators may have the power to oppress people, but they are acting unjustly and it behooves the citizens to overthrow that dictator and replace him/her with a government that respects liberty. That is the essence of the founding of this nation. Do you disagree?
False.
Self-governance is. Which is why, among many reasons, slavery persisted after the founding.
I'll remind you that it was a religious belief that slavery was morally wrong which fought that war. Are you prepared to die for this belief?
I’m prepared for Jeffy to die for his beliefs. I encourage it.
Slavery was begrudgingly permitted after the Nation's founding only as a necessary evil, because otherwise the southern states would not have joined. When permitting slavery was no longer necessary to keep the union together, it was abolished.
The DoI and its principles are ideals that the government should strive for, not representations of what the government actually did at the founding. That the early American government did some bad things does not nullify the principles, no more so than a Christian preacher doing sinful things nullifies the Bible.
When permitting slavery was no longer necessary to keep the union together, it was abolished.
Crack open that history book retard. You'll learn something.
I've read my fair share of history. When the North won the Civil War, there was no need to maintain slavery any longer. It is sad that it took a civil war for that to happen, but it did.
Hahaha!
False. The North smashed self-governance, using the immorality of slavery as it's justification.
This birthed the large federal state, and thusly what gave Rubio his current powers.
I think you skipped a few steps there.
The Civil War did establish the supremacy of the federal government over state governments. But it is a stretch to then say that it led to the current status quo.
Prior to the Civil War, immigration wasn't a federal issue. It was very much a state issue.
It absolutely did lead to our current state.
None of the deported aliens who have made the news lately are being prosecuted for exercising any right.
There's a few people rotting in a Salvadoran gulag who might disagree with your statement. And no I'm not talking about gang members. I'm talking about people who were picked up because the cops kinda sorta thought they were gang members because they had a funny lookin' tattoo or something.
Name them.
There's a few people rotting in a Salvadoran gulag who might disagree with your statement.
Because... we care what they think??? Um, why?
I'm talking about all liberty, including natural rights like freedom of speech or freedom of association. To the MAGA crowd, foreigners just don't have these rights at all.
Give me your glass of lemonade, jeff. I'm going to take a piss in it. All my associates are going to piss in it too. We have that right. You said we have that right. It's a natural right. It's how we speak and what we do when we associate. Who cares how it affects you. Get over it. Respect my freedom and independence. Drink the piss.
You moron.
It appears to be misattributed to a Frank M. Wilhoit, a political scientist that wrote a book about southern efforts to resist the Civil Rights movement in 1973, but it was actually said by a classical music composer named Frank Wilhoit in 2018 in a blog post.
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
A more recent observation than sometimes thought, but an accurate one, when it comes to the MAGA version of conservatism.
MAGA isn't a version of conservatism. This is why #NT was a thing (and what we warned about).
It's also why we now have the advent of the MAGA Left.
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
I fully accept that some absolute shit-gargling fucktard attempted to define anarcho-tyranny as "conservatism".
But just because a sub room temperature in Celsius IQ fart huffer tried to define it thus, does not mean that I have to accept that definition.
That you have does not speak well of you either.
Oh give it up. You all are falling all over yourselves to justify why this ridiculous standard of 'due process' that consists of Marco Rubio saying "because I said so" is totally sufficient to kick out foreigners, which is a standard that you would never tolerate being imposed upon yourself. That quote has a lot of truth to what conservatism actually represents, particularly its nationalistic strain. There is an in-group which has all the rights and privileges, and then there is an out-group which has only those rights and privileges that the in-group deigns to bestow upon them. For your team, the out-group most certainly consists of foreigners.
Fuck off and die, slimy lying pile of TDS-addled shit.
Marco Rubio saying "because I said so" is totally sufficient to kick out foreigners
Which, it is. At least for visa holders.
which is a standard that you would never tolerate being imposed upon yourself.
Because it's not a standard that would apply to me, or CCCCC.
You're trying to conflate the two, pretending that a natural citizen by civil right is the same as a visa-holder here at our sufferance.
That quote has a lot of truth to what conservatism actually represents, particularly its nationalistic strain.
What's wrong with nationalism? Especially when talking about the greatest nation that has ever existed to date and in all of history?
There is an in-group which has all the rights and privileges, and then there is an out-group which has only those rights and privileges that the in-group deigns to bestow upon them. For your team, the out-group most certainly consists of foreigners.
Yes, it's much like basic property rights. A parcel of land is mine. I and mine have all the rights and privileges to it. The "in-group." Everyone else - whether they're invitees or trespassers - have ONLY the rights and privileges I choose to extend them. And even if I do extend them, I can similarly revoke them at any time. The "out-group."
What is your issue with this? This is Libertarianism 101.
I love how your response just confirmed everything that I wrote while trying to argue against it.
What is your issue with this?
People aren't property.
I didn't say they were. Weird that you'd go there though.
And you didn't answer the question.
FAFU dropping more strawman while flailing through this.
Yes, it's much like basic property rights. A parcel of land is mine. I and mine have all the rights and privileges to it. The "in-group." Everyone else - whether they're invitees or trespassers - have ONLY the rights and privileges I choose to extend them. And even if I do extend them, I can similarly revoke them at any time. The "out-group."
People aren't property.
You know damn well he’s using private property as an analogy for the nation. Stop being disingenuous.
He can’t stop. It’s who he is.
And neither he nor you get to decide by yourselves what to do on our property, aka, our country. In fact, the decision on how to treat all persons was made when the Constitution and its amendments were ratified, by the people, aka the "owners" of the nation, collectively. All persons get due process, and those are the rules set by those who had the right to decide how to treat all of those on their 'property' at the time those rules were set.
Don't like it? Pass a new amendment to downgrade the due process rights of people you don't want to have them. Just be ready for when the people you gave that power to decide that you are now in the out-group.
"You're trying to conflate the two, pretending that a natural citizen by civil right is the same as a visa-holder here at our sufferance."
I don't call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
Normally, I wouldn't deign to reply to the grunts and oinks of subhuman grey box filth, but this is simply too dumb to allow to pass:
There is an in-group which has all the rights and privileges, and then there is an out-group which has only those rights and privileges that the in-group deigns to bestow upon them. For your team, the out-group most certainly consists of foreigners.
"My team" apparently includes "Every National Government Anywhere", all of which very clearly do not grant all of the same rights and privileges -- such as "remaining within the borders of the country they represent" -- to foreigners.
This is so tautologically obvious that only Cartman could miss it.
We’re stating law you fat, Marxist, lying cunt.
Now fuck off back to your trough you obese bitch.
In-group vs out-group is hardly contained to conservatism (leftists, like the cultists they are, do this far more egregiously), so it can’t possibly be the defining characteristic of conservatism.
^ This is posted by a slimy pile of lefty shit who sees government murder of innocents as perfectly fine; see Stalin:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Fuck off and die, asshole and take the newest sock with you.
Now do Progressives. I mean, the Biden and Obama administrations were built on that.
Ozturk, in short, is on record as a supporter of the BDS movement, which offends many people for the reasons Kumar laid out, and as a polemicist who recognizes no meaningful distinction between "genocide" and a war of self-defense that kills innocent people. In those respects, she resembles many left-leaning students at universities across the country.
And that's the problem. That's why she's out.
We're done with the terrorist sympathizers. We're done with toxic empathy as you try to rationalize their anti-American beliefs and behavior.
That's not merely "offensive" conduct, Jakey Fakey. That's conduct - by someone who is here at our discretion - that is patently subversive. And it's openly hostile to a valued ally.
You do not get to come to America, at our discretion, and DO that. How entitled do you think these punks are? How much entitlement are you arguing for them? And why?
This chick has no more right than if she wanted to come into my house and disrespect my best friend. You do that - invitation rescinded, get out. And don't think I won't throw you out by force if you put up even the slightest resistance. And then shoot you in the face if you don't get off my lawn.
Luckily for the rest of us, your house is not our nation, pig fucker.
Luckily for the rest of us, steaming piles of lefty shit like you can easily be ignored. Fuck off and die, asshole.
And you’re not ignoring me why? Maybe a mental health issue? Hang in there. See you next week. Be prepared to at least make a payment though. You’re becoming tedious.
"And you’re not ignoring me why?"
Shitbag, you seem to be fantasizing about me for some reason; go find someone who cares about your sorry ass.
You, OTOH, are getting no more attention from me than the average, brain-dead, steaming, lying pile of TDS-addled shit.
Language.
Of course it is. Again, this is your entitlement mentality at work. What right do you genuinely believe you have to walk across someone else's line - whether it's a property line or a national border - and then spit in their face?
Where does that come from? What justifies doing such a thing in your book?
I'll bet you $20 you can't answer that question, and that you'll deflect and insult (or outright ignore and run away) in order to do so.
Probably accuse YOU of huffing glue when s/he has some sort of chemical issues.
This chick has no more right than if she wanted to come into my house and disrespect my best friend. You do that - invitation rescinded, get out. And don't think I won't throw you out by force if you put up even the slightest resistance. And then shoot you in the face if you don't get off my lawn.
And, moreover, us electing a leader who appoints someone to more or less parse violent disruptors from vocal agitators is the polite ask. La Pen, AfD, Canadians anywhere other than Ottowa or Quebec... there are more than enough 'racist natives' from more than enough different nations and households that it should be pretty clear who isn't welcome, why, and what will have to happen if the situation isn't remedied.
Throwing soup at paintings and people gluing themselves to the floor isn't going to solve anything, that's for sure.
Sullum doesn’t whine, he just states his opinion to you bunch of baboons. You can either take it or leave it. I don’t always agree with him either.
Bullshit, as expected. He claims to report facts. Instead, he simply proves he's a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit who should fuck off and die.
Like you, asshole.
Legit complaint from a mind addled, glue sniffing, mental midget like yourself, Sevo.
Gee! Brain-dead lefty shit CAN accept reality.
Fuck off and die, shitbag.
So he's not a journalist then, right? Basically just a blogger.
We’re all “journalists”. Check your 1st amendment. I grant him no other special status other than as an individual who associates himself with a rather cool publication.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmSO2cz2ozQ
Marxist.
What point are you trying to make now, dumb-dumb?
That you are a brain-dead lying pile of lefty shit? Do you somehow think it's not obvious?
"Journalist" has a meaning. And by degrading it by applying it to all, you are destroying any concept of "journalism" whatsoever.
Which is a very, very Marxist thing to do.
You really should commit suicide.
Oh gosh, where does one obtain a journalism license, lol.
Oh, gosh, where does one obtain a brain?
We'll let you know when we'd like you to have one, asshole. Fuck off and die.
Of course a Statist would automatically view such a thing in terms like that LMAO.
If they won't comport (themselves)
We must deport.
Trying to channel the “church lady”?
Congratulations!
You've won half of a free helicopter ride!
He's the turkey? Oh, goody! I wanna watch!
“As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!”
- Arthur Carlson, station manager, WKRP
Man, misses the BP fast-balls! You are a pathetic example of brain-dead lefty shits:
"That day, Simpson's charismatic lawyer, Johnnie Cochran, coined a phrase that would become an enduring motto in pop culture: "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/oj-simpson-20-years-later-glove-fit-darden-dunne-murder-trial-of-the-century/1976992/#:~:text=Darden%20had%20violated%20a%20cardinal%20rule%20of%20courtroom,culture%3A%20%22If%20it%20doesn%27t%20fit%2C%20you%20must%20acquit.%22
You're a far easier target than turd; beer can plinking at 20'! Bend over so we can hit you in the ass, shitbag.
I suppose there is somebody somewhere who may be receptive to you “hitting on their ass” but it isn’t me.
See you in session! Boy are we going to have fun!
I suppose there is someone here who buys your bullshit fantasies, but they are the among the select few of TDS-addled lying piles of lefty shit.
Enjoy your sessions with them/it/shit/ and then fuck off and die, shitpile.
BTW, we all notice your (quoted, shitbag) change from "hitting you in the ass" (like with that .22) to “hitting on their ass”, but there is little honesty anyone can expect from such a lying pile of TDS-addled slimy shit.
Fuck off and die, scumbag.
'Bout this time of the evening, I'd usually be doing house-keeping on the business, but the new slimy pile of TDS-addled lefty shit seems to demand that it/shit be slammed regularly.
I'm sure there will be many more joining in, shitbag.
THIS ARGUMENT IS UTTERLY AGAINST YOU.
The Founders wrote anonymously for this very reason, so that the argument and not the arguer would be the focus.
Now where were you when KAMALA was doxxing every anonymous opinion she disliked. Have you ever heard of a person (let alone a California AG ) being abominated by both the ACLU and the SCOTUS.
How Kamala Harris Earned Rebukes from ACLU and SCOTUS on Privacy
'The Breaches of Confidentiality Here Were Massive'
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2024/08/22/how_kamala_harris_earned_rebukes_from_aclu_and_scotus_on_privacy_1053395.html
Ph.D. in Africana studies lmfao I think I see the root of the problem.
I don't really care Margaret. Let them "protest" back home.
Jacob did you see today's headline
27 States File Brief with Supreme Court Backing Trump’s Use of Alien Enemies Act
Not to lo late to yank this article, it appears irrelevant
Let's pretend that Ozturk is a foreign MAGA border restrictionist.
She cowrites an op-ed demanding that the university divest from Mexico. Her group demands that certain Mexican products be banned from school cafeteria. They demand that the school call Mexico a narco terrorist state. What would happen to our relations with Mexico if our schools routinely admitted these individuals and we granted them citizenship?
Here's a litmus test - replace Jews with any other race or identity. If the left finds it acceptable, EVER, then yeah, I'll buy their arguments.
But there's a war involved you say. I don't see Ukrainians occupying American colleges urging violence or coercive action on Russia. They don't assault Russians or their sympathizers. I'd cut them some slack, since they're victims in every sense. Gaza is a terrorist nation that declared war on another nation. If Russian students organized against Ukraine in America, we have to give them citizenship?
The "moderate Muslim" is mostly a myth. If you think Ozturk and Taal aren't motivated by burning hatred of Jews, I have a bridge to sell you. One of them was smart enough to hide behind diplomatic language. Go over their social media to see how often they denounce Hamas, demand hostages be released, and stop brutal reprisals of anti Hamas Gazans.
It is in our interest to limit our exposure to the Muslim world as much as possible. These people put cloth on women's head for the rest of their lives. They abide by dark ages values and own most of the deadliest terrorism on civilians. All the modern world's instability, civil wars, and GENOCIDE belong to the middle east. Who unleashes chemical weapons on their own people?
For Ozturk, some breathing room might be afforded. But make no mistake - she is not in the interest of America.