Rise of the Samurai Lawyers
An economist explores how a stable and relatively just legal order emerged in medieval Japan.

In the early 13th century, the warrior aristocracy of Christian Europe bound its ruling monarchs to a structured legal system—first with the Magna Carta in England in 1215, and then with a succession of other treaties across Europe. Slightly later, a complex code of moral norms and rules of conduct arose, aiming to restrain professional warriors. Force and power were now subjected to legal rules, and the path to constitutional government was underway.
That story is well-known to Americans and Europeans. But it is not the only such case. Something very similar happened simultaneously in East Asia. That change is the subject of an important new paper forthcoming from Peter Leeson, an economist at George Mason University. With "Anākī: The Law and Economics of Samurai Organization," Leeson examines the birth of the Kamakura Bakufu (literally "tent government") in medieval Japan.
The samurai were a class of skilled professional warriors, experts in deadly force. They were similar to European knights in many ways, but there was one major difference: They depended on others for any rights they had to land or its product. Specifically, they depended on the court aristocrats—the kuge.
These nobles had no real military power of their own and were not able to enforce order effectively in much of Japan. So they hired samurai, sometimes to provide military force but also as stewards and managers of lands: collecting dues from tenants, running estates, and sending income to the proprietor in the capital, Kyoto. The power between these two classes was asymmetric: In disputes between a proprietor and a samurai, judicial authority lay with the proprietor, making him a judge in his own case. In addition, the shiki—the warriors' bundle of rights attached to the land—were held on an almost at-will basis; a proprietor could easily terminate them. This led to exploitation and abuse, to the increasing fury of the samurai.
The kuge were able to get away with this for a while, because the samurai faced a collective action problem: The only way to use their military power against the court would be for a sufficiently large portion of their class to cooperate. Eventually this happened, in the Genpei War of 1180 to 1185. After his victory in that conflict, the samurai leader Minamoto Yoritomo created the Bakufu and based it in the city of Kamakura. After his sudden death, the Hōjō clan consolidated the institution.
The Bakufu was not a government that ruled all of Japan. It was a corporate body of samurai that provided governance services to its members, who were no longer under the jurisdiction of the court. The kuge government still existed and continued to exercise powers, but not over the members of the Bakufu. And the Bakufu did not include all samurai. So while the Bakufu had many attributes of a sovereign, it did not exercise that sovereignty over nonmembers. As Leeson puts it: "Kamakura-era Japan was a dual polity….'Warrior rule' belongs to later eras in Japanese history." An analogy in European history would be if a military order such as the Templars or Hospitallers had become a sovereign jurisdiction, but with even more members. In some ways, the Bakufu's position resembled that of the Roman Catholic Church in contemporaneous Europe.
Samurai who were members of the Bakufu were called gokenin, or honorable housemen. Only they could bring suit in Bakufu courts, so only they enjoyed its full protection and benefits. In return, they had to do military service for the organization and perform periodic guard duty at its headquarters in Kamakura. Membership was voluntary and largely hereditary. The Bakufu did not seek to expand its membership, partly because to do so would overburden its judicial system and dilute its quality, but also because it was sufficiently powerful that it did not need to. (Indeed, when it finally did expand substantially, in response to the threat of a Mongol invasion, that helped lead to the breakdown of the system in 1333.)
Gokenin could be appointed to two kinds of positions. The jitō shiki had shiki rights granted by the Bakufu rather than by a proprietor, but with the same responsibility to the proprietor. (This offered far greater security.) The other option was the shugo. That position entailed being a constable with various administrative powers, including enforcing some laws and prosecuting crimes.
Two important aspects to the Bakufu's structure ensured that it worked as a neutral arbiter, both between its members and between members and others. The first was that the Bakufu itself was not a major landlord or involved in running more than a very small number of estates. That meant it had no material interest in the outcomes of its cases. Its only real interest as an organization was that it be both effective and honest and be seen as such.
This stemmed from the second feature: the voluntary nature of its membership. If the Bakufu was not impartial, proprietors could organize resistance to it or break the agreement under which it operated. If it disappointed its members, they would defect and weaken its position militarily. So it had powerful incentives to be genuinely neutral and objective. In one important early decision, for example, Minamoto Yoritomo returned land conquered in the Genpei War to the court and the kuge.
The judicial services the Bakufu provided to its members were organized in a two-tier court system. The first was the Board of Coadjudicators (hikitsuke), made up of three to six chambers (usually five). Each chamber had a chairman and three to four senior judges as well as a number of court clerks. Above them was the Board of Councillors (hyōjōshū), which was a supreme court rendering final judgment but also was a deliberative body. It consisted of the chairmen of the chambers of the Board of Coadjudicators and the senior officers of the Bakufu—around two dozen people in all. The structure was thus straightforward and simple.
So was the procedure. Leeson sets this out in detail, drawing on the Sata Mirensho, a handbook drawn up in the latter part of the Bakufu's existence. The key fact here was that the Bakufu was a purely adjudicative body. It did not prosecute anyone itself; it merely provided a means for the parties in dispute to argue their case and have a decision reached and enforced. The court relied on both oral testimony and documents, but the latter was given greater weight; the process was transparent, with all parties having full knowledge of the other side's evidence and arguments. The final verdict contained a detailed exposition of the basis for the ruling and the reasoning employed to reach it. In short, there was due process.
The body of law that the court applied is laid out in the Goseibai Shikimoku, a compilation of norms and precedents drawn up in 1232. This text reveals a common law growing organically out of resolved cases. Those cases both generated and qualified precedents, which were then generalized to create a comprehensive and flexible law; the law so generated was qualified in turn by the principle of dōri—the samurai community's sense of natural justice. The law's main concerns were to restrain and regulate the authority of the Bakufu and its agents, to limit samurai violence, to ensure orderly inheritance and property transfer, and to prevent litigant abuse by affirming procedure.
Leeson argues that the system was effective, impartial, and predictable. Its effectiveness is revealed by the fact that it passed a market test: It did not lose clients or cases to other systems. Its impartiality can be seen in the surviving evidence of how cases were handled. And its predictability is demonstrated by the increasing frequency of out-of-court settlements—a phenomenon that emerged not because of vexatious costs but because outcomes were often predictable from precedent, making it sensible to arrive at a settlement with no further action. (Such private agreements still had to be ratified by the court to be enforceable.)
All this was a remarkable achievement. The samurai, after all, were trained killers. The temptation to exploit that and be predatory must have been considerable, and it doesn't take many defectors for a system to unravel. And yet the Kamakura Bakufu lasted 148 years.
This is a recurring challenge in human affairs, and not just in Japan and Europe. Protection against predation and enforcing individual rights requires the use of force; it cannot always be done through consensus, norms, or nonviolent sanctions. If that coercion is to be deployed in a way that enhances rather than undermines social stability, the people who deploy it—often some sort of warrior class—must protect themselves against other warriors while limiting their own power over the rest of society. If you limit internal conflict within the warrior group, you risk the possibility that the group as a whole will prey on everyone else; if you don't limit that conflict, you risk civil war or similar sorts of chaos. In both Japan and Europe, those challenges were handled with some success. But the route was different.
In 12th century England, for example, the reign of Stephen saw the second problem, with unrestrained conflict within the warrior class over property and inheritance rights. In response, Henry II enacted legal reforms. But then the monarch and his servants were able to use those legal processes to abuse the rest of the warrior class, not to mention everyone else. So the barons collectively rebelled and forced the king to agree to be bound by the system as well as running it. The agreement that established this was, of course, the Magna Carta.
Why did this process happen at opposite ends of Eurasia at roughly the same time? It might simply be a coincidence, but it might derive from common technological and military developments—notably, the reduced costs of certain kinds of weaponry, and an economic surplus that allowed a significant number of people to devote themselves full time to developing martial skills. Another parallel was the development of a code of conduct that, to some degree at least, restrained warriors' behavior. (This also happened in the Islamic world and in China.)
Whatever produced the process, it wasn't inevitable. The rule of law is not a natural or universal feature of human society; oppressive and arbitrary rule has been common throughout history. But sometimes, despite all the obstacles, a stable and relatively just legal order can arise.
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How would those samurai have handled visiting foreign nationals supporting anti-samurai terrorists?
The Tokugawa shogunate issued an isolation edict, known as Sakoku. A series of directives implemented to enforce self-isolation from foreign powers in the early 17th century.
The policy restricted foreign trade and diplomatic relations and (this will give Buttplug a hard-on) banned Christianity.
Oda Nobunaga, though not a Christian, liked it and stopped Buddhist attacks and persecution, but under the isolationist Buddhist Tokugawa shogunate, Native Kirishitans were persecuted. During Toyotomi rule especially, foreign missionaries were killed in Japan, some by (Japanese-style) crucifixion; most famously, a group of men known in Japan as the twenty-six martyrs were tortured and crucified on crosses outside Nagasaki to publicly discourage Christianity. Following a brief respite when Tokugawa Ieyasu rose to power and pursued trade with the Portuguese powers, there were further persecutions and martyrdoms in 1613, 1622 (Great Genna Martyrdom), 1623 (Great Martyrdom of Edo) 1630, 1632 and 1634.[26]
The Tokugawa shoguns eradicated Christianity in Japan via murder, persecution and decrees. In 1637, Matsukura Katsuie imposed a high tax onto people and oppressed Christians. This, combined with famine, led in 1638 to the Christian-led Shimabara Rebellion, where an estimated 37,000 people (mostly Christians), were massacred. The rebellion started as a peasant movement, but later Christians joined the cause. This was the largest rebellion in the history of Japan. In 50 years, the crackdown policies of the shoguns reduced the number of Christians to near zero.
By this point, after the Shimabara Rebellion, the remaining Christians had been forced to publicly renounce their faith. Many continued practicing Christianity in secret, in modern times becoming known as the "hidden Christians" or "Kakure Kirishitan". These secret believers would often conceal Christian iconography in closed shrines, lanterns or inconspicuous buildings. For example, Himeji Castle has a Christian cross on one of its 17th-century roof tiles, in place of a mon, indicating that one of its occupants was a secret Christian.
Is it good or bad that I know most of that information from having watched Rurouni Kenshin and other samurai themed anime?
As for the theme of the article: rule of law works well when it is enforced and Is bound to shared cultural norms. That starts falling apart with ambiguous prosecution and a society without a shared identity.
MT - I don't think that ambiguous prosecution or loss of shared identity are the first steps in that process, although loss of shared belief in equal protection under the law probably is a first step. I have always believed in the founding principle that I would be willing to risk my life to protect the rights of others even if I disagreed with them. The assumption there is that they would risk their lives to protect my rights even if they disagreed with me. This requires that almost everyone believes that their own liberty depends on the liberty of all; and that only a few people will violate someone else's rights for personal gain - i.e. criminals. Once people are allowed to use the power of government to gain a personal advantage, the system starts to unravel, as people stop trying to protect liberty for all except a few criminals and start trying to gain influence over the officials in self-defense.
That's a good description of how I feel, that as government intrudes more and more into our lives, people stop thinking "What can I do for myself to make my life better?" and start thinking how they can get their share of government benefits and sic government on others before others sic government on them.
Government should be almost invisible. It should not be your first thought. When anything new is invented or discovered or found, the first reaction should not be "Let's stop this until government can figure out if it's safe."
Quit copying shit from AI, MotherLament.
Where de Sunday thread?
And why did you fucking Peanuts run Sandra off? Besides the fact that you hate female libertarians.
You were banned for posting links to child porn.
"Quit copying shit from AI"
Just because you're a near illiterate retard doesn't mean that the rest of us are (sarc/mtrueman excepted).
You know what else I know that you don't? Resource revenue isn't "cEntRaL pLanNinG".
You know what else? Evangelicals and Catholics aren't "Calvinists".
You know what else? Increases and decreases on the commodities markets isn't "inflation" or "deflation".
This is why Open Society will never hire you back, you're way too stupid, you racist, ridiculous fuck.
Britain officially makes 2 tier justice a thing. White men, only men, will recieve longer sentences for the same crime.
Video.
https://x.com/DogRightGirl/status/1905633831744397708
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/03/12/the-sentencing-row-reveals-the-woke-turn-of-the-judiciary/
The Sentencing Council for England and Wales has put equality before the law in serious doubt. Last week, it published new sentencing guidelines appearing to favour offenders from ethnic-minority backgrounds. The guidance requires judges to consider a pre-sentence report (PSR) before passing a sentence on an offender from an ‘ethnic-minority, cultural-minority, and / or faith-minority community’. This would make these offenders less likely to receive a custodial sentence.
By way of an example, consider two people convicted of the same crime. One of them is black and the other is white. Both of them are being considered for a custodial sentence. Both of them have come from troubled backgrounds. Perhaps both are very poor, with a terrible family life. These guidelines won’t determine the eventual sentence, but they will mean that the black offender is more likely to have a PSR ordered. He or she could therefore receive a lighter sentence, for reasons totally unrelated to the crime. This is a terrible violation of the principle of equality before the law.
These guidelines won’t determine the eventual sentence, but they will mean that the black offender is more likely to have a PSR ordered. He or she could therefore receive a lighter sentence, for reasons totally unrelated to the crime. This is a terrible violation of the principle of equality before the law.
Or it could mean that the black defendant will receive a HARSHER sentence, because the PSR report includes a deep dive into the person's entire criminal history, and the white defendant who doesn't get a PSR doesn't receive that level of scrutiny.
Seems to me, the real issue here is the arbitrary nature of who does or does not get a PSR report. THAT is the real 'equality before the law' issue. Based on what I have read so far, seems to me that it should be either mandatory for all, or optional for all.
No. It can't, shill. The guidelines are quite clear, and I'm pretty sure that you know they state that a visible ethnic minority will automatically get the minimum.
I can't even fathom why you're trying to lie about this one? What's the point?
Even Steir Karmer of all people criticized the rules committe changes.
Yet Jeff can't.
Whoops. Keir Starmer
You have to play the video:
https://knowyourmeme.com/videos/417610-hitlers-downfall-parodies
When even Keir Starmer will criticize a DEI initiative but Lying Jeffy doubles down, you know you're dealing with a cultist.
The point is that he’s a compulsive liar. Lying Jeffy lies, it’s what he does.
Are you saying he uses fibs more than his fork?
Definitely. I doubt he uses a fork. Either eats with his hands or just shoves his face right in the trough.
they state that a visible ethnic minority will automatically get the minimum.
No, they don't. This is you gaslighting. Read the Sky News article below. It has a link to the actual guidelines. It says absolutely nothing about "minorities get the minimum sentence".
Don't redirect you gaslighting fuck.
From your fucking link:
A PSR must be obtained unless the court considers it unnecessary...
They do not have to adhere to the PSR's recommended sentence, however, a magistrates' court nearly always accepts the recommendation...
It says a PSR should "normally be considered" if the offender belongs to one, or more, of these groups:
• Is at risk of first custodial sentence and/or at risk of a custodial sentence of two years or less
• Is a young adult (18-25 years)
• Is female
• Is from an ethnic minority, cultural minority, and/or faith minority
• Is pregnant or post-natal
• Is a sole or primary carer for dependent relatives
• Has disclosed they are transgender
• Has or may have addiction issues
• Has or may have a serious chronic medical condition, physical disability, mental ill health, learning disabilities or brain injury
• The offender is considered to be a victim of domestic abuse, physical/sexual abuse, violent/threatening behaviour, coercive/controlling behaviour, other abuse, modern slavery, coercion, grooming, intimidation or exploitation.
This is such a horrible decision even Labour is appalled:
The Sentencing Council has set out the recommendations to courts in England and Wales, but Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood said she does not agree with them and wants them to be reversed.
But not Lying Jeffy.
How about any rag head convictid of a crime automatically gets sent to meet 72 vigins
FYI, GBNews is Britain's version of OANN or Breitbart TV. It is not "news", it is opinionated right-wing fluff. Meaning, that if you want the *real* story, you have to look elsewhere.
The BBC, perhaps, or the Gruniad?
Irrelevant authority.
LIKE JACOBIN, CNN AND USAID-REUTERS, RIGHT LYING JEFFY?
But aside from that, I demand that you answer this question: Is GBNews lying or are they telling the truth?
Jeff only accepts state propaganda. Leftist propaganda.
If he had bothered even watching the video he would see Karmer was against it.
Shared collectivist reasoning
Mmmm, taste the appeal to authority.
Remember kids, you want to flip it after about two minutes to really seal in those authoritative juices.
So, here is a more informative article on the same topic.
https://news.sky.com/story/what-are-pre-sentence-reports-and-the-controversial-changes-13322644
So, from what I can gather, in Britain, after a person is convicted of a crime, in order to determine the sentence, a court will normally request a "pre-sentencing report" (PSR). What is a PSR?
Apparently, it is only mandatory for a court to request a PSR for certain cases. The new change expands the list of people for whom the court is required to obtain a PSR, to include people "from an ethnic minority, cultural minority, and/or faith minority community".
Furthermore, courts in Britain aren't required to accept the recommendations of the PSR. They can do their own thing if they want.
It doesn't mean that white people will receive longer sentences.
For once it would be nice if the right-wing noise machine, masquerading as "news", would talk about a controversy honestly. But instead they followed their usual script: take some change that they don't like, and twist it into something that generates outrage and anger and clicks, and use that narrative to rile up the audience.
Are they codifying a legal procedure variation based on race or not?
Do you want to understand the actual issue, or not?
Are you going to follow the Jesse/MAGA playbook - sell a narrative of outrage and anger, because that drives votes and power to Team Red?
Do you want to do everything possible to defeat Team Red, including promoting Team Blue?
I want to defeat Team Red and Team Blue. It should be obvious that right now Team Red is the largest threat to our liberties.
Do you want to promote liberty, or just be a MAGA mouthpiece?
You don't want to do anything of the sort, you're an ardent Democrat who's paid by Media Matters or Act Blue to politruk for the party in various comment sites.
If anyone here is a paid shill for a team, it's you. Tell us again how you proudly shill for Trump. Tell us again how Trump didn't lie *at all* in the debates. Tell us all how the Jan. 6 rioters were "tourists" even as they broke windows and assaulted officers.
TRUMP DIDN'T LIE IN THE DEBATES.
And when I challenged Lying Jeffy, to come up with one single lie (and he swore that Trump did nothing but lie), you know what the only thing he could come up with was, folks?
Wait for it...
Trump thinks Tariffs hurt the other country and cost them money and that's apparently a lie. Not just an opinion. Lying Jeffy knows it's a LIE because foreign companies don't import into America or something. Don't tell BP, Shell or Saudi Aramco. Siemens, Bosch or Braun. Don't tell the Chinese junk merchants on Amazon. Don't tell the tens of thousands of export brokers across the US, because they don't exist cause Jeffy says so.
And that was it. Go on folks. Ask Jeffy for another lie.
He won't tell you because you're all bad faith or something.
Stupid dishonest fuck. And even though J6 was proven to be a Pelosi/FBI hoax he's still pretending it was as bad as his 2017 Trump inauguration or BLM riots. Somehow attacking the Whitehouse and the senate was different when Team Jeffy did it.
Even now we have Democrats roaming America attacking Jews and Tesla dealerships daily, but it's (D)ifferent I guess.
Whether it’s their aim or not, psychopathic liars only serve evil.
That’s almost as funny as the shit Molly posts. Almost.
Didn’t answer the question I see.
ARE THEY CODIFYING A LEGAL PROCEDURE BASED ON RACE, JEFFY??
Answer Earth-based's question, conman.
Your request might weigh heavily on tubby.
DOES MARXIST-NECROPHILIAC MOOSE-MAMMARY TRUMPTATORSHIT WORSHITTER LOVE TO PROMOTE SUICIDE WHILE CALLING SHITSELF A CHRISTIAN, Oh Great Moose-Mammary?
Answer the question HONESTLY for once!
Your suicide? When have I ever not? When have I ever spoken to the contrary? I've always been dead honest.
Are you trying to say that I DIDN'T recommend you drive off a cliff?
Great Moose-Mammary Necrophiliac Farter-Fuhrer... Servant and Serpent of the Evil One, and PROUD of shit!
(I will NEVER bend to Your PervFected Will, Oh Ye Great Servant and Serpent of the Evil One!!!)
Yup. Proud as can be.
Keep fuming, shill
Answer the question, conman.
ARE THEY CODIFYING A LEGAL PROCEDURE BASED ON RACE?
Great Moose-Mammary Necrophiliac Farter-Fuhrer... Servant and Serpent of the Evil One... If they ARE "CODIFYING A LEGAL PROCEDURE BASED ON RACE", ass You SOOO Perfectly Impishly and Slyly Imply, then WHY is PervFected Ye SNOT trotting out chapter and verse of their code where they say that race is the be-all and end-all? WHY, Satan, WHY, ass Little Cindy Loo-Who, who was no more than two, used to ask...
Wut? That's exceptionally nutty even for you. Bet Lying Jeffy's happy you've got his back with posts like that.
Great Moose-Mammary Necrophiliac Farter-Fuhrer, Servant and Serpent of the Evil One, is Hell's Champion Projector, accusing others of SNOT answering questions, while PervFected Shit swill NEVER answer questions truthfully, Shitself! Twat a slurprise!
Lying Jeffy doesn’t answer questions that will expose him for what he is.
So reason has spent weeks going after Trump for his actions while ignoring the inferior court judges. Pushing the "constitutional" crisis on the executive while ignoring judicial over reach. How's that going?
4th Circuit stays inferior court judges.
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
BREAKING: The federal court of appeals in DC has cleared the way for Trump to fire members of the National Labor Relations Board and the Merit Systems Protection Board, consolidating Trump's grip on once "independent" parts of the executive branch.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cadc.41769/gov.uscourts.cadc.41769.01208724995.0_1.pdf
4th again stays inferior court judge.
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
JUST IN: The 4th circuit court of appeals has cleared the way for Elon Musk and DOGE to continue operating in USAID, staying a lower court’s ruling that barred DOGE’s activities.
From the appelates:
Last, as to the public interest, the public certainly has an interest in ensuring the government is acting constitutionally. However, the public also has an interest in judges wielding power only when so authorized. That authorization limits us to deciding cases and controversies, not political disputes. Cases and controversies involve actual injuries to actual parties, not injuries that are speculative and extend beyond the parties in this case. Courts must be wary of stretching to find harm at the preliminary injunction stage when the record does not support it. This is because the normal practice of “methodically developing arguments and evidence,” is necessarily cast aside for what is often and “almost by design a fast and furious business.” (citations omitted)
We've seen the 9th issue stays as well.
https://redstate.com/smoosieq/2025/03/25/another-court-win-9th-circuit-stays-judges-order-forcing-trump-admin-to-restart-refugee-admissions-n2187091
The courts are abusing their powers and even the stays from the appelate courts are demonstrating this. Will Reason notice?
But in sure Reason will defend Judge Jackson.
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
BREAKING: Judge Amy Berman Jackson has *blocked* the dismantling of CFPB. https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2025cv0381-87
Despite Reason supposedly being against CFPB.
Now do Judge Kacsmaryk.
Your complaints ring hollow. You are only upset that this procedure is being used to try to stop Trump. When the same procedure was used to try to stop Biden, you cheered and applauded.
And you? Whose side did you take?
Yeah I'm not going to fall for your burden-shifting games.
Tell us all how you loved it when Judge Kacsmaryk was 'standing up to Biden' but now whine when judges 'stand up to Trump'.
Yeah I'm not going to fall for your burden-shifting games.
He's not shifting the burden. Stop lying.
What you actually mean is you don't want to answer a question that will either incriminate you or disprove your point.
When the 9th is smacking down leftist judges, you know you’re in deep shit. Just give it up already.
Perhaps elections have consequences after all, even when the down-culture heathens get elected.
Can we call it fascism yet to use the power of the state to push ahistorical lies in the guise of museums?
Hitler romanticized a fictional German past of Teutonic power over Europe. Mussolini romanticized the Roman Empire and imagined himself to be the inheritor of the Caesars' legacy. Maybe Trump & co. shouldn't go down the same path.
HITLER!!!!!
You literally work as a politruk for the people who try to censor, disenfranchise and imprison their political opposition; such as Trump, Bolsonaro, Le Pen, Georgescu, Imamoglu, etc. People who steal trillions from their governments in the biggest grifting operation in earth's history. People who are in the process trying to replace native populations of intractable serfs and workers with another they imagine will be cheaper and more compliant. Authoritarians who circumvent democracy by creating NGOs to fulfill their illegal and unethical edicts, where laws forbid them. People who are attacking and imprisoning citizens who object.
YOU are the fascist totalitarians here Jeffy. YOU are the threat to freedom and democracy.
Here's two examples.
1. Right now the Wisconsin Attorney General is suing to stop Elon Musk from giving away $2 million during the Supreme Court race between conservative Brad Schimel and liberal Susan Crawford.
The judge he's assigned to the case? No joke: Susan Crawford.
Now, I imagine she'll recuse herself in the end and put a buddy in her spot, and then you will crow about how it will be impartial somehow because she recused and picked a replacement. But it isn't, Nazi Jeffy
3. On Kier Starmer's "I'm not fucking around anymore, plebs!" rules, just two days ago parents in Hertfordshire were arrested and locked in a cell for criticising the policies of their daughter’s school in emails to the school and a What’s App group.
No threats. They just criticized the board and its policies.
You're not dreaming of Nazi totalitarianism, you're doing it.
Your whole screed is confession via projection. Which team is throwing people out of the country based only on speech? Which team is creating a Stasi-esque "tip line" to report illegals in order to have them deported?
https://www.newsweek.com/ice-report-illegal-immigrants-payments-tip-line-reward-thousand-dollars-2030429
There are people right now literally sitting in a cage because their only 'crime' was to criticize Israel's war in Gaza. And you support this. You support giving broad discretionary authority to the government to deport any foreigner they wish for any arbitrary reason they wish, under the thin fig leaf guise of 'national security'. That is authoritarianism run amok and you support it.
1. Right now the Wisconsin Attorney General is suing to stop Elon Musk from giving away $2 million during the Supreme Court race
Gee, what you fail to mention that under Wisconsin law IT IS ILLEGAL to bribe voters to go vote. Musk attempted to break the law, but what are you complaining about? The identity of the judge! Because you don't give a shit if your team breaks the law or engages in any manner of corrupt behavior. Remember how you continually said that Trump didn't lie *at all* during the debates? Remember how you lied and said that the Jan. 6 protesters and rioters were "tourists" even as they were breaking windows and vandalizing offices? For you and your team the rule of law means nothing of substance, it is only a talking point to be used as a weapon against the opponents of MAGA. "Look at *those people*, they don't support the rule of law!!!" you say, while defending Trump handing out pardons like candy even to people who committed actual violence on Jan. 6. It's sad and pathetic.
3. On Kier Starmer's
I don't give a shit about Kier Starmer. But that is part of your schtick, to try to associate everyone you don't like into one giant indistinguishable blob. So everyone who doesn't like Trump is no different than Kier Starmer or Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or AOC or dingbats who want to see him assassinated. That is how you are a dishonest asshole.
"Gee, what you fail to mention that under Wisconsin law IT IS ILLEGAL to bribe voters to go vote."
MUSK ISN'T BRIBING VOTERS TO GO VOTE, LYING JEFFY, AND I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT. Anymore than the billion dollars Team Jeffy used to get voters to the polls in 2024. I also remember how you had zero problems with Zuckerberg doing the same with $200 million in 2020, you disingenuous Nazi.
"I don't give a shit about Kier Starmer."
Of course, because Kier Starmer, one of the farthest left politicians in Europe since Trotsky and Lenin, is to your right.
More Team Jeffy domestic terrorism, BTW:
exclusive photos from the New Mexico GOP showing that their HQ in Albuquerque was firebombed last night
https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1905757858958098759
Parents in Hertfordshire have been arrested and locked in a cell for criticising the policies of their daughter’s school in emails and a What’s App group.
By this point, anyone claiming that free speech is intact in the UK is utterly delusional.
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When Maxie Allen complained to his daughter’s primary school about the recruitment process for a new head teacher, he hoped it would result in more openness and transparency.
Instead six uniformed officers from Hertfordshire police were sent to arrest Allen and his partner after the school objected to them sending numerous emails and to their criticisms including “disparaging” comments on a parents’ WhatsApp group.
Allen and Rosalind Levine were detained in front of their young daughter before being fingerprinted, searched and left in a police cell for eight hours. They were questioned on suspicion of harassment, malicious communications and causing a nuisance on school property. After a five-week investigation, police concluded there should be no further action.
The couple had previously been banned from entering Cowley Hill Primary School, in Borehamwood, after questioning the appointment process for a head and “casting aspersions” on the chair of governors on WhatsApp.
Oh, and let's go allllll the way back to 2021, when "Critical Race Theory" was all in the news. Back then, you all swore up and down that you didn't object to an *accurate* portrayal of history, you just didn't want the "woke propaganda" that "blamed whitey" or somesuch. Now that too has been revealed to be a lie. Yeah you really do want to try to rewrite history, to make America seem better than it really was, because you don't want history books that offend the 'real Muricans'. Always, ALWAYS, their feelings come first, before any other considerations.
Look up the Smithsonian poster condemning "White Culture", print it out in large format on heavy paper, and then choke on it.
But it didn't condemn "white culture". It tried to show that there were hidden assumptions in American culture that derive from they called "whiteness" or "white dominant culture". For instance, that Americans tend to value "rugged individualism" is not just "how things are supposed to be", that is because of how American culture evolved from its traditions that were - get this - largely shaped by white people from the past.
I think the point itself is relatively uncontroversial, but the problem is that they chose to label it with racially loaded terms like "whiteness" and "white culture". It is not automatically "white" to believe in "rugged individualism". It IS an assumption, but it is not an assumption that is necessarily tied to skin color.
"White dominant culture, or whiteness, refers to the ways white people and their traditions, attitudes, and ways of life have been normalized over tiem and are now considered standard practices in the United States," the introduction to the section reads. "And since white people still hold most of the institutuional power in America, we have all internalized some aspects of white culture— including people of color."
You don’t think that was setting the infographic in a negative framework as it goes on to mention what some of these insidious traits that have been internalized are?
If you want to take offense from the poster then you are going to take offense from it. I am trying to read it in as neutral of a light as possible. I see it as saying that everyone carries with them cultural assumptions handed down from traditions and practices established by the cultural majority over time. I don't see how this can be a controversial take, it is undoubtedly true. The issue is the racial label that they applied to it. It's not about skin color, it is about cultural hegemony.
If you want to take offense from the poster then you are going to take offense from it.
He takes offense from you because the things that you advocate and defend here are vile and offensive.
You're a monster.
Wtf are you blathering about Lying Jeffy?
A Battery of Crimes
A far-left extremist named Paul Hyon Kim has been federally charged over the March 18 firebombing attack on Tesla property in Las Vegas with Molotovs and spray-painting "RESIST" across the entrance of the Tesla service center in Las Vegas.
On his IG, Kim links to his website (paulhyonkimdotcom) alongside a "Donations to Palestine" link.
His website identifies him as a cinematographer who relocated from the Pacific Northwest to Las Vegas.
On Vimeo, he lists his pronouns as he/him
Kim's social media is filled with posts supporting the 2020 BLM-Antifa riots, leftist political violence and propaganda against ICE.
- Bellum Acta
Sullum will claim his A1 rights were violated.
The freedom to use steak sauce?
This needs to spread where the rest of the world must ketchup.
It's rare that our right to condiments is in jeopardy. I hope Sullum's defense is well done.
Can only relish the thought.
It's how democracy is done.
Yeah, but unless he practices transgenderism (or is at least very, very gay) he can't be a true hero(ine).
HerX
So he was pro-riot?
I wonder what he though of the Capitol riot.
Good Lord. Now he's openly attacking museums.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-black-history-smithsonian-dei-687fd306dc9c6d7611300d74fe49b8aa
Maybe Trump and Vance ought to understand that even if they sincerely want America to be a color-blind place NOW, in the past, it wasn't. In the past, AMERICA WAS DIVIDED BASED ON RACE whether they wish to admit it or not, and maybe an ACCURATE description of history would tell the TRUTHFUL story about America's shameful racist past, instead of trying to sanitize or whitewash it.
Fuck off and die, slimy lying pile of TDS-addled shit.
Uh, sure. Let's not whitewash America's past; let's backwash it, exaggerate any and all injustices, wallow in imaginary legacy impacts, and use it as ammunition to promote an anti-racist (and Marxist) future.
Oh FFS. Your team are such fragile sensitive snowflakes on this issue. ANY discussion at all is considered "exaggeration" and "wallowing". Just bringing up the FACT that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves is considered an outrageous attack on Murica itself.
use it as ammunition to promote an anti-racist (and Marxist) future.
If you don't want history being used to justify Marxism, then maybe you and your team should be offering your own interpretation. Instead we get you all sticking your heads in the sand and wanting to ban the dirty words that make your team have bad feelz. When you try to silence the opposition, you turn them into martyrs and make their cause seem more just than it really is. Isn't that exactly what happened with Team Red when it came to Jan. 6 and social media censorship?
Fucktard. Discussing Jefferson's slave owning history, and apparent contradiction in principles (corrected for late 18th century norms), is one thing. Then declaring that it proves that the American Revolution and the Constitution were deliberate efforts to promote slavery (which had recently been invented in White America) is another.
As for "silencing" others, the American left has pretty much weaponized the new censor ethics in the 21st century.
Then declaring that it proves that the American Revolution and the Constitution were deliberate efforts to promote slavery
I agree that this is a rather daft hypothesis. I'm sure that there was probably some plantation owner somewhere in 1775 who decided to throw their support behind the revolution because he saw it was a way to keep his slaves, but it doesn't seem to me to be the primary reason.
(which had recently been invented in White America) is another.
But no serious person claims this. Of course slavery has existed throughout all of human history (and even still today sadly). What makes the Western world's (not just specifically America's) view of slavery different was that it was race-based. The ancient Greeks and Romans took slaves as spoils of war from the losing side, regardless of skin color. Other cultures at other times took slaves from oppressed minorities regardless of skin color. It was the West that justified slavery in racial terms - that black people deserved to be slaves because they were supposedly inferior. THAT is the issue. And one of its worst manifestations was in America - only two countries ever had to fight a war to end slavery, the US and Haiti. No European nation ever did.
I'm sure that there was probably some plantation owner somewhere in 1775 who decided to throw their support behind the revolution because he saw it was a way to keep his slaves, but it doesn't seem to me to be the primary reason.
It was a significant reason in the South and a significant reason why the Constitution was created to preserve the institution and why that was then interpreted differently over time. The Somerset v Stewart (1772) decision was huge. Outlawing slavery in England and a big reason why Northern states outlawed slavery soon after independence. It is why southern states wanted to ensure that the Constitution created gridlock. They weren't interested in a real checks-and-balances - which is why they then gradually took over the US institutions until the Dred Scot overreach.
There is a serious lack of history taught in the US about slavery. Exemplified by the fact that there remain TODAY - 250 years after independence - big objections about the FIRST wave of history revisionism which attempts to, clumsily, put slaves descendants into the history narrative as agents rather than tokens/objects. We should be at least three stages into revisionist history by this time.
It is not a fringe view limited to some random people on Internet discussion groups.
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/public-policy-journal/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2022/09/GT-GLPP220045.pdf
Jeff knows this, but he doesn’t care.
If he’s talking he’s lying.
It is not a surprise imo that a summary of an academic argument about a historic event will quickly devolve to political presentism and DeRp bullshit. Especially because the topic has been deliberately avoided for over 200 years.
It would not at all surprise me that the original author (who proposed the notion that the 2nd was to preserve slavery) also had a MODERNIST gun control agenda. Certainly the rebuttal author has a modernist gun interpretation/agenda that the 2nd is not about militia at all but is about individual rights.
But reading the article itself, it becomes very clear that both authors agree on the detailed words here. Where the topic is more about conscientious objection and coercion. How that is ELIMINATED from what became the 2A.
Following is what both authors agree on:
The original proposal for the 2nd in the HOUSE was: A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms.
That clause originated from Pennsylvania and the Quakers/Anabaptist minority. But is prevalent wherever there is a religious minority or individual objections to state coercion.
That clause was almost the entirety of the debate in the House. NOT a right to bear arms clause but a conscription and conscientious objection clause.
The PRACTICE of militias in the South then was almost entirely as a slave patrol.
That clause was eliminated by the Senate - which is structurally obviously the 'states prerogative' institution. Which, because it was eliminated as an individual right of conscientious objection in the 2A, became instead a state right to organize the militia the way they wanted to.
The known southern objection to any Constitutional proposals - and desire to implement amendments via a Bill of Rights - re slavery was to eliminate any federal ability to 'interfere with our negroes after 20 years' (the slave trade provision).
Both authors agree on all the above. They don't disagree on the implications or on why the Senate dropped that clause. Rather they simply either ignore it or invent their own shit. Both very obviously because - the 2A is no longer about conscientious objection or conscription. Those are transparently individual rights not militia rights.
We have no counterfactual here anymore. There can not be an argument that protection of slavery is what eliminated prohibitions against conscription. Property DOES trump personal liberty.
I said that I thought it was a daft hypothesis, not that it was necessarily fringe.
So……. You want us all to feel guilty, yes? Will that do it for you?
Haha. Of course it won’t. You’ll never give this up. You’re pathetic.
And so fucking boring.
I don't give a shit if you feel guilty about history or not. I just want people to understand the actual American history, and not the sanitized "rah rah Team America land of the free" version.
imaginary legacy impacts
The power of compound interest is not imaginary. For a very long time in this country, certain people did not have the legal authority to own property or to pass down inheritances to subsequent generations. And even when they did finally get the legal right to own property, they were often not able to exercise their rights fully. It is only relatively recently that everyone has been fully equal in terms of property rights. But those who have always had their property rights respected, they were able to pass down their inheritances to subsequent generations, and that alongside the power of compound interest, gives rise to the so-called "racial wealth gap". That is the rational basis for those on the other side who discuss things like reparations. Now OF COURSE there are crazies who also think that minorities are entitled to reparations because whitey is everywhere and always an oppressor, but they are the crazies. The adults in the room have a much more rational take. And your side of the argument is absent from the room, because instead you're sticking your heads in the sand, calling them names, accusing them ALL of being no different than the radical crazies, and otherwise trying to ban the idea and silence the entire discussion.
I happen to think that the 'wealth gap' is an actual problem, but reparations are not the answer. I also happen to think that it is a subclass of a much larger class of problems dealing with the proper way to treat widespread historical injustices from a libertarian perspective. I mean, if we really are serious about the NAP, then isn't a NAP violation from the 19th century just as valid a claim as a NAP violation of today? But if everyone can claim NAP violations throughout all of time, then there can be no workable system of justice that can operate in that environment. So there is an issue here.
Perhaps we can have a discussion about the issue instead of name-calling and government bans. What do you think?
I happen to think that the 'wealth gap' is an actual problem
It's not.
The distribution of wealth is immaterial to libertarian ideology. It is relevant to egalitarianism though, so this checks out.
But he's not a Marxist. Ask him.
It’s funny how he tells on himself.
The distribution of wealth is immaterial to libertarian ideology.
It is very material if there are structural barriers to wealth that at least de facto prohibit the sort of upward mobility to become wealthy. The obvious example here in the US was redlining and tax subsidies for housing and zoning. All of which served to eliminate the main first step to wealth here in the US which has been 'homeownership'. That still has a huge impact since house prices themselves and bank lending rules serve to ration opportunity by price. Now by generation as much as overtly by race.
Now that said - what commenters here call 'libertarian ideology' is really more just ideology than anything that a classical liberal would have called either liberal or libertarian. So maybe you're right. Opportunity has nothing to do an ideology that is mostly status quo propertarianism.
How are you not a DEI believing antisemetic democrat again?
It's not.
Only if that wealth distribution took place in the absence of force or fraud. But in the case of slavery, literal violence was used to extract labor from individuals against their will. That ought to be a concern to every libertarian on the basis of NAP violations alone.
No.
Statue of limitations exist.
Otherwise, nobody is eligible to own anything.
I happen to think that the 'wealth gap' is an actual problem, but reparations are not the answer.
I agree with both clauses. It's one reason I have tended towards a reform of taxation a la Switzerland or Henry George rather than Elizabeth Warren.
It's also why I tried to learn more about sortition and other forms of citizenship based on actual direct involvement (labor in a sense) rather than abdication of that responsibility to others (whether via money/market or voting). The militia and nightwatchman state are the best examples of the former vs a standing army and police state which is a consequence of the latter.
So, how are the descendants of Vietnamese refugees doing today?
How are the children of Bosnian refugees doing today?
“What do you think?”
I think even most black people are getting bored with your style of disingenuous navel gazing and self loathing. It’s was funny for a while, but damn man…..
This is why you’re losing. It suits you. Carry on.
“Ihappen to think that the 'wealth gap' is an actual problem,”
(“Why do people say I’m a leftist and democrat supporter?” Jeff wondered to himself. “It’s probably just cause they’re all right wing Nazi sympathizers, that’s got to be the reason.”)
"then isn't a NAP violation from the 19th century just as valid a
Sure. Bring me the person who was wronged in the 19th century, and let's get them into a lawsuit against the persons who wronged them in the 19th century.
Do you want to make people who never owned a slave give money to people who never were a slave? Do you want people who's ancestors never even came to the US until 100 years after slavery to pay people who's ancestors never even came to the US until 100 years after slavery?
Sure. Bring me the person who was wronged in the 19th century, and let's get them into a lawsuit against the persons who wronged them in the 19th century.
Let's consider this thought experiment.
Suppose your car is stolen tomorrow. You go to the police and demand that they find the thief. They say they will try to do so, but they never do find the thief. Days, years, months, decades go by and the thief is never found, and you have apparently lost your property. Then, many many years later, after your death, your car is found! But you're dead, so your child and only heir to your estate demands to take possession of the car. After all, if the thief had never taken your car, it would presumably have been included in your estate to be passed down to your child, and thus he/she claims that the car should rightfully belong to him/her.
So what do you think, does your child have a just claim to your car? I'm not talking about what the law actually says, I really don't know, this is a thought experiment after all. I'm talking about what you think the law ought to say, particularly from a libertarian perspective, in order to satisfy what you think ought to be the standard of justice in this case.
You can probably see where I'm going with this. If you say "yes", then you're agreeing with me that the descendants of people from whom something of value was stolen - in the case of slavery, their labor - ought to have some legitimate claim, if only a moral claim, in the pursuit of justice. If you say "no", then you are essentially saying that violations of the NAP have an effective 'statute of limitations', beyond which they are no longer valid. Which is also defensible, I suppose, depending on the reasoning involved. In this case, where do you draw the line? How long ago is "too long" to pursue justice for a NAP violation?
Do you want to make people who never owned a slave give money to people who never were a slave? Do you want people who's ancestors never even came to the US until 100 years after slavery to pay people who's ancestors never even came to the US until 100 years after slavery?
Congratulations, you're pointing out many reasons why reparations in their current form are a bad idea and why I don't support them.
“If you say "yes", then you're agreeing with me that the descendants of people from whom something of value was stolen - in the case of slavery, their labor - ought to have some legitimate claim, if only a moral claim, in the pursuit of justice.”
Congratulations, you just made the case for blood libel. Edit: for your thought experiment to be analogous, the car would have never been found and 100 years later someone would be claiming as the great grandchild of the person who’s car was stolen, they’re owed compensation from the great grandchild of the people who might have stolen the car.
“If you say "no", then you are essentially saying that violations of the NAP have an effective 'statute of limitations', beyond which they are no longer valid.”
I would argue the “statute of limitations” is the lifetime of the aggrieved party. It’s the only logically consistent line.
Bolded for emphasis!
This 100%!
In this case, do we lock up the child of the thief as punishment for what his father did?
Since my child was not the victim of the crime, my child has no claim. No, the "lost value to the inheritance" is not an actionable injury since there is no way to know for certain that the car would have been included; what the value of the car would have been (at the time of inheritance); and etcetera.
Did you look up that Smithsonian poster yet?
Look at it? He probably wrote it for her.
Shit yeah dawg! I found out my peeps don't care about family or being on time, or about being honest.
In the past, AMERICA WAS DIVIDED BASED ON RACE
Raceraceracreraceraceraceraceracerace!
Democrats never change.
"In the past, AMERICA WAS DIVIDED BASED ON RACE"
WHO DID THE DIVIDING, LYING JEFFY??!
What party fought a civil war to keep slavery that killed millions?
What party ethnically cleansed the Five Civilized Tribes and sent them out on the Trail of Tears?
What party ruled Tammany Hall?
What party used the Klu Klux Klan as their own militia and terrorist organization?
What party initiated the genocidal Indian Wars?
What party kicked Blacks out of the Civil Service?
What party initiated Jim Crow?
Which party interned American citizens with Japanese ancestry?
What party filibustered the Civil Rights Act?
What party stuffed Blacks into projects?
What party is pushing critical race theory?
What party deliberately started massive race riots because a junkie OD'd?
What party imported terrorists to terrorize Jews on American campuses, and play Kristallnact with Jewish businesses in New York?
THAT'S RIGHT, JEFFY. YOU ARE THE ONE DIVIDING RACES BOTH THEN AND NOW.
I don't call you a race hustling Nazi without reason.
there we go, trying to reduce everything into Red vs. Blue. We can only imagine ML's preferred curriculum - "all the bad stuff was done by Team Blue"
"all the bad stuff was done by Team Blue"
Yes. Just look at that list.
You guys are unbelievably evil.
Team Red may be a bunch of retards and greedy thugs, but you're nightmarishly evil race baiters.
Act Red donors did attempt two assassinations of Harris (D).
I don't know how old you are but as far back as I can remember I was taught in grammar school and secondary schools - and had to memorize for tests - about America's shameful racial past. I was taught about the slave trade, the revolution, the civil war and "separate but equal" until I had nightmares at night over it. I was taught about the struggle by women for equal rights. On my own I have learned - also in great detail, step by step - about the capture of one cherished institution after another by socialist culture warriors whose only goal is to redact truth and the ongoing search for truth and replace it with Ministry of Truth propaganda in order to justify inequality by calling it "equity." Their only desire is POWER. Although I love the Smithsonian, I will not support any political action other than to restore an impartial documentation of history and collection of its artifacts; the destruction of "critical" revisionism.
Well said!
"CDC halts federal funding in California for COVID response, state health officials say"
[...]
“The COVID-19 pandemic is over, and HHS will no longer waste billions of taxpayer dollars responding to a non-existent pandemic that Americans moved on from years ago,” the HHS said in a statement Tuesday reported by the Associated Press..."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/cdc-halts-federal-funding-in-california-for-covid-response-state-health-officials-say/ar-AA1BJxTw?ocid=BingNewsSerp
That's the Chron's take, but CDC halted funding nationwide. This is the Chron's "women and minorities hardest hit" bullshit.
When your only tool is shouting "Racism!" and "Sexism!" then every problem looks like George Wallace.
If you want to see something crazy, look at the growth of HHS administration compared to actual scientists.
https://x.com/calleymeans/status/1905369554949222502
Jeff being the leftist Marxist piece of shit he is will defend this too.
That graph, which is questionable in its accuracy, is not for HHS, it's for all US Healthcare, including private providers and most importantly private insurers.
High administrative costs in the US health insurance system....showing the growth in health care administrators vs. the growth in actual health care providers over time.
https://conversableeconomist.blogspot.com/2019/08/uwe-reinhardt-had-remarkable-skill-that.html?m=1
We know qb. You are funded from those graft while defending 40% overhead especially because you don't understand materials can be charged to contracts without uncontrolled and nebulous overhead.
As long as you get yours all this shit is great.
Whats funny is I've seen you attack the defense industry who has fee usually between 10-15%. Yet in your industry you demand 3x that. Under the "guise" of specialty equipment which is not used with high tech research and development right?
Lol.
All irrelevant to the innacuracy of your link which you haven't addressed at all.
But your deflection from the point is effective and I'll bite.
while defending 40% overhead
Actually it's over 60% at my institution and you'd be hard pressed to find people that complain more about that than those of us that work to bring in that money, but cutting it should be coordinated with rolling back regulations that we have to comply with. But, I'm currently mostly privately funded.
you don't understand materials can be charged to contracts without uncontrolled and nebulous overhead.
Allowed expenses are extremely limited for NIH grants so this is not correct for my work. (See my "regulations" comment above.)
"Everything in this graph depends on getting one number, the number of administrators in 1970, exactly correct!"
So it's like so many climate change graphs?
Yeah. Same concept.
'Protection against predation and enforcing individual rights requires the use of force; it cannot always be done through consensus, norms, or nonviolent sanctions.'
And what do you recommend when the state is the predator and antagonist against individual rights?
Restoration of the militia system as required by the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. Although things have changed in the world since the Founders and we do now need a strong standing Army for national defense, giving away our own local defense capabilities was stupid.
It appears to me that the Kamakura Bakufu, like the Magna Carta, only codified behavior between the monarch and nobility (whether armed or landed or both). In Aristotelian terms, it aided in a transition from chaotic despotism (a corrupted form of rule by one) to formalized oligarchy ( a corrupted form of rule by the few).
What is propaganda is that those periods lead to any working formality for polity - the non corrupted form of rule by the many.
In the Magna Carta context, the agreement that codified behavior for 'the many' was the Law of the Forest at that same time. But the only progress that gets recorded toward something that might benefit the many are the populist myths of Robin Hood
So we can assume you prefer mob rule.
You are taking it out of context. The article starts by pointing out steps along the way from village and clan society to rule of law for much more complex societies and nation-states. Retrospectively these steps were necessary intermediates in the sense that it's hard for us to see how it could have happened otherwise, although some "alternate history" fiction writers are experts at illustrating critical historical junctures. Each of the landmarks settled some social problems while generating new ones for subsequent generations to solve. Such illustrations could possibly serve to guide the present generation in restoring some of the principles in a modern context while eliminating some of the mistakes built into our current failure. If the goal is liberty for all, equal rights and equal protection under the law, we need to find our equivalent to the Kamakura Bakufu and Magna Carta.
The problem is that if one views governance/polity itself as a conflict between three different sources of power - the one, the few, the many - then an agreement between two of them is most likely to lead to suppressing the third. It's what happened in both Japan and England as well over the following centuries with peasants revolts, etc. 'The many' also usually have a very different set of issues and priorities. eg debt v property in land.
Pulling all three into potential power requires a process that all three can agree on and that is followed at all times. That process is what might be the 'beginning of something better' exemplified by Magna Carta or Kamakura Bakufu - or for that matter a US Constitution that doesn't even include 'the many' until maybe the Jacksonian era (or suffrage, or civil rights, etc). And at least three permanent institutions. One each for each 'grouping' so that there is always a check/balance present and maybe always a separation of powers. Maybe additional institutions that reflect the power shift or compromises over time.
I think there's too much willingness to accept 'an agreement' as a positive step towards something further. An example may be the US House. It was not intended to represent 'we the people' (the many proxy) but as a chamber to apportion power to states on the basis of population. Once we stopped growing by adding states, we stopped growing the House as well. It becomes an anti-representative zero-sum game over time as some states lose representation simply because they didn't grow as fast as other states. And gerrymandering is not even considered worthy of standing - incumbents have the power to choose their voters rather than the other way round.
One of the benefits of "tripods" is that they tend to be self-correcting socially. If two of the three start to collude, the third starts to fight back, creating an incentive for one of the other two to re-think the process. The genius of the American Founders was reflected in the lengthy success of their new Constitution. Unfortunately, the world changed over two hundred years and now we need a new "Magna Carta" and a new "Constitution of Liberty." I'm not a genius and I do not know how to do that. I can only hope that someone will start the ball rolling in the right direction so I can join in and help before I die.
"Freedom for me, but not for thee"
So, JD Vance lectured Europeans that they shouldn't be censoring American social media. You see, AMERICANS are entitled to freedom. But Europeans aren't. THEY have to comply with American diktats over DEI.
https://www.aol.com/news/us-warns-french-companies-must-084328385.html
That's right. Restricting the implementation of anti-liberty policies is "unfree".
Sounds like the typical US leftist screed, where people who impede their authoritarian policies get called fascists. You should know.
The problem here is the hypocrisy and the disregard for national sovereignty. If Team Trump thinks they are entitled to dictate to the world how they ought to operate, then maybe he shouldn't have sent his lapdog to Europe to lecture them about the importance of freedom and liberty.
As is always the case with your team, you don't believe in freedom and liberty as free-standing concepts in their own right. It is always "freedom and liberty for the deserving entitled Americans, but scorn for everyone else".
“…..but scorn for everyone else.”
Oh my! Not scorn! However to go on! I might faint!
Lol. Grow up, whiny boy.
“The Trump administration has ordered some French companies with U.S. government contracts”
Notice what those companies have?
Sorry you don’t understand the difference between that and EU governments censoring their own citizens and political opponents.
Jeff - National sovereignty is not the thing you seem to imagine it to be. Modern nation-states evolved out of necessity for self-defense. There is no magical or mystical justification for nation-states. Legally there is little one nation can do about the internal affairs taken within other nations. Lecturing them about bad stuff they do is legitimate under our own free speech principles. When a nation imposes a legal burden on entities from other nations there are only a few ways to resolve the dispute, none of them acceptable to most libertarians. I agree that Vance is a hypocrite, but the criticism should not be that the Europeans have a moral authority to abuse their citizens and to control satellite signals coming across their boundaries. The criticism should be that Vance is not pushing nearly as hard for the restoration of liberty inside our own nation-state.
Uhm... you're missing the critical delimiter in the very first sentence of your source: "French companies with U.S. government contracts."
That is a far cry from "dictat[ing] to the world." /smh
Jeff doesnt even hide how big a Marxist piece of shit he is anymore. Glad to see his XXXXXL mask come off.
MAGA shill says what?
A fifty-centing DNC politruk like you has zero business calling anyone else a shill.
You think he hets paid in Double Stuf Oreos?
Too healthy for that fat tub of lard.
I saw assassin's creed destruction of the credit score, aka shadows. Japan was united by a gay black guy
These days it takes a black lesbian girlboss to unify the nation. And maybe some animated dwarfs.
It seems the nation is unified in regard to that.
I usually buy these. May download it when it becomes free for psn members.
USAID Buh-bye
https://www.rt.com/news/614928-usaid-formally-dismantle-notice/
Couldn’t happen to a better organization.
Sad. They took money laundering to unprecedented heights. Outside of Ukraine of course. Scholars will study their techniques for many years to come.
LOL! take a gander at this image,
https://x.com/Aristocrat1776/status/1905728457306411442
... complete with Prince Albert piercing!
Pikachu now showing up at other protests:
https://t.me/BellumActaNews/142554
*piika-jew, piika-piika-jew*
Did you get a TG account?
All this was a remarkable achievement. The samurai, after all, were trained killers. The temptation to exploit that and be predatory must have been considerable
So, let me explain how honor and morality work.
Meh, never mind. None of you will understand it.
Bushido was actually pretty arrogant and brutal compared to Western chivalry. Especially when it came to Kiri-sute gomen.
I don't think that there's ever been a solid equivalent of a Christian knight. Maybe a couple of Buddhist martial sects come close.
Qualified immunity is the modern equivalent.
I could go for some hot, hot Buddhist martial sects.
Speaking of relatively just legal orders, BLM Plaza is officially being dismantled this weekend to be paved over and returned to two-way traffic as God intended.
The thing that amazed me? There was a BLM Plaza.
Try not to smile when it happens.
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1905691840952893755
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Like the Berlin wall coming down.
I failed the AT Challenge.
What was Black Lives Matter about?
I don't know, crime-loving woman-beating fentanyl addicts who needed an excuse for arson?
It was about acquiring high priced real estate for a few.
Enabling the traditional folk dace of knife fights for colored people, stealing from whits, and buying houses in cali
LOL! How many Black Guys does it take to pave over BLM Plaza?
... depends on how thinly you smear them?
So I read a headline that Trump had commuted the sentence of some guy named Watson. Never heard of the guy, scratched my head and fuggataboutit. But had some time on my hands and turns out there's a deep dark rabbit hole here.
https://frankreport.com/2025/03/28/trump-commutes-carlos-watsons-sentence-amid-judicial-conflict-allegations/
And
https://frankreport.com/2025/01/13/carlos-watsons-trial-exposed-was-it-rigged-from-the-start/
And if you can't get enough,
https://frankreport.com/2024/12/11/watsons-innocence-defense-two-liars-and-a-loaded-bench/
Randy Watson? Criminally hilarious.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KzANAr1V82c&pp=
While I don't wish to in any way show anything but the deepest respect for the well known cultural contributions of the talented Mr Randy Watson this seems like yet another tragic case of mistaken identity. If Mr Randy Watson has been the victim of vindictive prosecution by a corrupt DOJ and a rigged trial presided over by a corrupt federal judge I fully support a presidential pardon. Having said that I would suggest that 21st century consumers of classic African American popular music might wish to start their journey with Otis Day and the Knights or Morris Day and The Motherfucking Time.
More proof that Trump is a racist! Only commuting the scentance of the black faces of white supremicy
Another name and another lawn for Buttplug's cross burning list.
ctrl+f "sarc" = 0
very nice
So sorry that happened to you. Here's your precious attention.
Enjoy.
Seek help sarcbot.
Too bad, so sad. Sarc, beyond your terrible, dishonest debate tactics, no one gives a shit.
I guess the Reason staff will bewail this guy come Monday.
https://apnews.com/article/ms13-gang-arrest-bondi-el-salvador-trump-1cbc860c58257db21e0926b95d825f6d
Hey, Reason, where is your token article for Sunday, so we can continue our OT comments? Are you guys also suffering from USAID funding loss?
No libertarian journalism here on Sunday. But that is also the case Monday through Saturday.
I think we always knew the day would come when no self respecting journolist would want to be associated with Reason. Or even Reason Plus. They got lucky yesterday and got an obscure guy to cut and paste an obscure article about an obscure subject because... well nobody really knows why. But not to worry. The Reason hacks will be back tomorrow with multiple screeds about FREEDOM OF SPEECH! for illegal aliens, TARIFFS!!!!!!!, THE JONES ACT, and possibly FOOD TRUCKS! space permitting.
In the meantime enjoy Insurrection Barbie explaining why federal district courts have no jurisdiction deciding anything about immigration.
https://x.com/defiyantlyfree/status/1905742652827725899
Immigration law in the United States operates under a framework deliberately designed to keep federal district courts at arm’s length. This isn’t an accident—it’s a calculated move by Congress to streamline a complex system and prevent judicial overreach. The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) lays out a clear path: immigration cases start with administrative proceedings before immigration judges, move to the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) if appealed, and then, if necessary, land in the federal circuit courts. District courts? They’re not part of the equation.
https://x.com/757MThomas505/status/1905748751693783088/photo/1
You do realize that none of the staff and no serious readers look at the comments because they’re a MAGA cesspool, right?
So they’ve got zero incentive to cater to you or any of the other Trump attack dogs. They don’t care and nobody who contributes to them cares. To them and most libertarian minded people you Trump defenders are skid-marks on Trump’s underwear. A stain. Boils on the ass of society. Shadows on an overcast day.
Wow, petty, nasty, and meaningless. But thanks for adding to the value of the comment section.
Sarc's only here to talk about ideas. He's no mean girl. He's principled, just ask him.
“Wow, petty, nasty, and meaningless.”
Yes. That is a very good description of how the staff and serious readers view the comments.
In the old days the comments were full of discussions about economics, classical liberalism, limited government, the NAP, and so on.
Now it’s nothing but “Isn’t Trump great? He’s so great. What? You criticized Him? YOU’RE A LEFTIST! YOU’VE GOT TDS! YOU’RE A HYPOCRITE! Where was I? Oh yeah. Isn’t Trump dreamy? He’s so dreamy.”
I have enjoyed your many posts strongly supporting DOGE, applauding the sunset of USAID, opposing any government funding for illegal aliens, criticizing use of deadly force against the unarmed peaceful protester on public property named Ashli Babbitt, elimination of the Dept of Ed, and the never-ending opposition to govt funds being sent to the midget coke head dictator in Kiev. I also want to share special recognition for you regularly calling out the pedophilic commenter Pluggo that previously posted links to cp in these comments - there is a victim there.
Henceforth, March 30 shall be known as Super Libertarian Sarc Day!
LOL! +1, Chumby.
My criticism of DOGE has been that what they're doing is all temporary unless they get Congress on board. But you guy's don't care. I never gave two shits about USAID. As far as Saint Babbitt goes, I'm not a member of the Church of Trump so I don't share your religious beliefs. My criticism of eliminating the Dept of Ed has been that it will come right back without a change in the law. I've stated that I'm ambivalent about Ukraine. And I was there when the SPB incident happened (unlike the liars who talk about it), so I know the actual story not the dishonest narrative.
Not that you care. You're just performing for your fellow Trump defenders.
Which dovetails right into my original point, which is that none of the staff and no serious readers ever look at the comments. Any curious libertarians who look at the comments see the contents of a porta potty in need of service. It's just the same Trump defending morons repeating the same tired lies and the same tired narratives while attacking and lying about anyone who dares to think for themselves. It's stupid and pathetic.
No serious Scotsman
Happy Super Libertarian Sarc Day!
Happy Super Libertarian Sarc Day, Chumby!
Yes, Happy Super Libertarian Sarc Day!
This is way late, but here's a little history lesson in what brought in all the Trump love and adoration: writers who put more emphasis on Trump's mean tweets than Biden's 50 year history of worse authoritarianism than Trump, and whose only criteria for voting for Biden was that he wasn't Trump.
Four years earlier, they had the same excuses for favoring Hillary.
And four years later, the same excuses for favoring Kamala.
In a two party system, your only practical vote is the lesser of two evils. Voting for the LP candidate used to be principled at least, until Gary Johnson threw a tantrum and insisted on Weld for his VP, who actually said Hillary was a good candidate. Then there was Jo, who backed BLM, and this time, Chase, a failed Democrat whose only claim to fame was bragging about throwing a Senate election to the Democrat.
That's why there are so many Trumpers here. And you, continuing the Anybody But Trump theme, are just more of the same.
You want to get rid of the Trump bias in the comments?
* Get rid of your own Anybody But Trump bias.
* Get some real libertarian content in the articles.
Wasnt shikha available?
She might be busy with a real progressive periodical like the NYT.
Jeffy’s more than trying to make up for it below by acting like a deranged love child of Boehm and Sullum.
Every time I see a battle of the grey boxes I feel like it should be an Atari game.
An actual quotation from a State Department press briefing:
https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-march-28-2025/
Except the "illegal activity" is a lie, Rumeysa Ozturk didn't break any laws. All she did was publish an opinion.
Also in that same briefing, they declared that they aren't going to tell us the number of visas revoked.
So they are arrogating unto themselves the power to revoke visas of whomever they want for whatever reason they can dream up, and to not tell us how many or why they are being kicked out.
And most of you support this.
Possibly senile Peter Navarro claims tariffs are "tax cuts".
https://www.rawstory.com/peter-navarro-tariffs-tax-cuts/
How might that be, you ask?
Oh, so it's a kickback scheme, and once again the government using the tax code to manipulate consumers' behavior. And most of you will support this even as you blasted Biden for "tax cuts" for buying an electric car.
Tax breaks to “buy American cars” is qualitatively different than tax breaks to buy a niche product, you get that right? (Not that I agree with using the tax code to do either.)
Once again, when the voters of a red state get the opportunity to vote directly on an issue, they vote against the preferences of the Republican state government.
https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/politics/elections/march-29-2025-election-results-louisiana-amendments-impact/289-0ee7112a-19b8-4cb8-af40-267eba9dfe8b
In this case, voters in Louisiana rejected four constitutional amendments that were all supported by the GOP.
This sort of thing has happened over and over again - how is it that the state legislature is so out of step with the preferences of the voters? I have to conclude that it is only because the state legislature is gerrymandered to virtually guarantee a Republican majority.
A person fleeing persecution in a repressive nation is fired from an American university because of discrimination against his nationality. Welcome to Trump's America
https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2025/03/28/new-college-sarasota-chinese-professor-fired-countries-of-concern-law/
”Almost at the same time, they closed my NCF account,” Wang told Suncoast Searchlight. “I cannot get into my email and cannot even say goodbye to my students.” Instead, he texted his students and sent them an email from his personal account notifying them that he had been dismissed.
Yikes! Inappropriate behavior that should be considered heavily during his asylum hearing if not cause for immediate denial. Good they were able to pull Wang out.
Needs a link. Or at least more cowbell.
US Debt Clock now includes a DOGE clock in the upper left:
https://usdebtclock.org/index.html#
Jeff hardest hit. USAID was paying the rent. Now he's going to hope that a Pritzker or Alex Soros comes through, but those guys aren't used to spending their own money.
$261B in just a few weeks. A tremendous amount of work ahead for sure, but a nice start.
Fat Boy Dim may have to eschew Oreos and switch to the generic store brand for sustenance. Hopefully, millions of former public sector leeches too will be making that decision soon.
It's only 231 billion. Not so much. Not nearly what Trump said. Not worth doing. And chaotic. And a constitutional crisis. Etc. Etc.
I think I'm Reasoning properly here.
JD Vance is wrong about Trump’s failed DOGE program