Jay Bhattacharya's Confirmation Hearing Proves the Lockdown Skeptics Won
Trump's nominee for NIH director once stirred major controversy for criticizing lockdowns, mask mandates, and school closures. Yesterday, Senate Democrats didn't even raise the issue.

Tomorrow will be the fifth anniversary of then-New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's first statewide emergency declaration issued in response to COVID-19, setting up a long series of orders shuttering down businesses, closing schools, and ordering people to stay in their homes.
When enacted in early March 2020, Cuomo's order was the consensus policy response to the pandemic, endorsed by the first Trump administration and quickly replicated by most red state governors.
Meanwhile, critics of lockdowns were dismissed as dangerous, fringe characters who were peddling "nonsense" solutions or even experimenting with"human sacrifice."
As it happens, yesterday was the Senate confirmation hearing of one such lockdown critic—Stanford professor and medical researcher Jay Bhattacharya, whom President Donald Trump has tapped to head the National Institutes of Health (NIH).
Bhattacharya was an early critic of lockdowns and masking. He is perhaps best known for his co-authorship of the October 2020 Great Barrington Declaration, which criticized school closures and society-wide restrictions and instead argued for a strategy of "focused protection" that would "allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally."
This was a hugely controversial position to take at the time.
Former NIH Director Francis Collins demanded a "quick and devastating published take down" in an email to his underling Anthony Fauci. Fauci would later describe the Great Barrington Declaration as "nonsense."
Public health officials and Democratic politicians either condemned the declaration or ignored it as they tightened pandemic restrictions in the fall and winter of 2020.
Yet five years on, at Bhattacharya's confirmation hearing, Democrats were completely mum about his COVID-era research and advocacy.
Not a single Democrat mentioned the Great Barrington Declaration. None bothered to press Bhattacharya on his opposition to once-consensus opinions on lockdowns, masking, and school closures.
Despite having every opportunity and incentive to attack Bhattacharya as a dangerous crank nominee, the minority on the Senate's Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee chose not to even mention what were once his most controversial views.
Instead, Democrats almost exclusively focused their questions on the Trump administration's recent pauses of NIH grant and advisory committees and caps on grantees' indirect research spending. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) asked Bhattacharya if he'd lead a campaign against food companies' advertisement of unhealthy snacks to children.
When Bhattacharya's COVID views were mentioned, the comments came from Republican senators heaping praise on him.
Sen. Pete Ricketts (R–Neb.), Nebraska's governor during the pandemic, thanked Bhattacharya for helping him to keep schools open. Sen. Jim Banks (R–Ind.) called the Great Barrington Declaration "undeniably right."
Bhattacharya himself was unapologetic about his criticism of lockdowns—saying that Florida ended the pandemic with lower all-cause mortality than California, as did Sweden vis-à-vis its neighbors.
Democrats' silence and Republicans' praise is a remarkable touchstone. It's yet more proof that five years on from the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, the lockdown skeptics have won the argument.
Critics of lockdowns can publicly express the idea that lockdowns don't work as an uncontroversial matter of fact. Past defenders of lockdowns are now unwilling to back the policies in public, not even in a lockdown skeptic's confirmation hearing for a high-ranking public health position.
This shift of the Overton window is remarkable by itself.
It's also suggestive of where the NIH is headed in a second Trump administration.
At his confirmation hearing, Bhattacharya criticized past NIH leaders for stepping outside their role as scientists to tell people what to do during the pandemic and attempting to silence debate instead of encouraging it.
"The role of scientists is to say these are the risks by giving more data," said Bhattacharya. "Science should be an engine for freedom, knowledge and freedom."
It's a refreshing sentiment and one that would seem to take the most authoritarian COVID-era policies off the table in any future crisis.
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Jay as head of the NIH is reason enough for Tump on Mt. Rushmore.
Prove me wrong.
Is Mt Rushmore big enough?
If we join the Dakotas and annex Canada, yes.
I like that. Head faces southeast, says Wikipedia, meaning hindquarters facing north.
Just give head,problem solved!
Just erase Lincoln.
I second that.
If Lincoln is removed.....
The proof is historical. No one person, EVEN a POTUS, can curb the voracious appetite for money/power in govt. ONLY "we the people" can stop they continuing tyranny.
Thomas Massive stated yesterday he would rubber stamp DOGE cuts BUT his fellow congresspersons have already declared they are APPROVING ALL spending. The kleptocracy will not surrender to the consensus, but it will manipulate it with propaganda. Why not? It's always worked before. For example, the voters remember/credit the political for his promises, 99%, EVEN when he doesn't keep them.
ChatGPT, what is this poster talking about?
This poster is making a broad argument about government spending, political power, and public perception of politicians. Here’s a breakdown of what they seem to be saying:
Skepticism of Political Power
They argue that no single person, even a President of the United States (POTUS), can fully control government spending or the pursuit of power within the government.
They claim that only “we the people” (the citizens) can put a stop to government overreach and corruption.
Criticism of Thomas Massive (Likely Thomas Massie)
The poster says that Thomas Massie (a U.S. congressman known for his libertarian-leaning stance) stated he would support cuts to a program (possibly DOGE referring to Department of Energy or a misinterpretation of another issue).
However, they argue that his fellow legislators have already agreed to approve all spending, rendering Massie’s stance ineffective or symbolic.
Accusation of Kleptocracy
They believe the government is operating as a “kleptocracy” (a corrupt system where officials use power for personal gain).
They claim that politicians manipulate public consensus using propaganda to maintain control.
Public Perception and Political Promises
The poster suggests that voters tend to credit politicians for making promises, even if they don’t follow through on them.
They imply that politicians are able to maintain support largely through rhetoric rather than action.
General Takeaway
The post expresses deep frustration with government spending, political corruption, and how voters continue to support politicians despite unfulfilled promises. It has a strong populist and anti-establishment tone, arguing that meaningful change must come from the people rather than politicians.
They'd have to scale down from trump's actual head to fit him on Mt Whitney.
The worship of someone as dumb as paint still continues to confound.
It's a refreshing sentiment and one that would seem to take the most authoritarian COVID-era policies off the table in any future crisis.
One of the most authoritarian eras of American history. That's why I turned to
ReasonSpiked-Online for the best liberty coverage on the topic.Just so. Perfect tone-deafness by a Reason staffer to write this article without addressing the fact that this publication was firmly on Team Authoritarian in 2020. Their vision of the LP has been dead to me ever since.
The lockdown scheptics aka the people who were correct all along
Jeffsarc and jewfree hardest hit.
Any of you would’ve done the same thing!
Doing nothing was not an option!
Facts changed!
Stop yelling nonsense!
They had to do it because you assholes wouldn’t do it voluntarily!!!
How many does that make in the last decade or so?
Yes
1) The lockdown started with your beloved Trump.
2) The hospitalization rates were so high that people were being turned down because their pulse ox was still above 85%.
3) It showed the country that you didn't have to drive 30 minutes in rush hour traffic to push buttons on a keypad. Work at home in a connected society works just fine.
4) Had people actually followed the lockdown and worn a mask, it would have been over in 3 weeks. But nope, couldn't get the MAGA crowd to do so - so they prolonged it and well the results are obvious.
Interesting how the counties that voted for Trump were the worst hit with COVID - especially once the vaccine was available.
Keep patting yourself on the back...
>>Proves the Lockdown Skeptics Won
too light a sentiment.
And as a libertarian beacon, Reason was right there by our side denouncing COVID fascism and praising Dr. Bhattacharya. Oh, wait...nevermind.
More testing = freedom.
Individual rights over government coerced mandates = fascism.
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Christian Britschgi and the rest of the editorial board of reason.com should see your comment Vernon and then be humbled, honest and self-reflective. However, I know that's a fantasy.
lol. word.
They interviewed him... when it was safe.
I remember when Reason finally had him on I had already probably listened to 50 hours of Bhattacharya interviews on all those rabble-rouser podcasts that Nick Gillespie mocked ten years ago.
'Jay Bhattacharya's Confirmation Hearing Proves the Lockdown Skeptics Won'
Uh sure. Besides not being able to change the past and undo the harm, how will this winning change anything? Will those responsible for lockdown insanity be punished? Even lose the jobs they still hold? And how will this ensure better governance in the future?
>>not being able to change the past and undo the harm
what if he has the power to do so but doing so would stop him becoming The Anti-Fauci?
It won't change much, because people, thinking concretely, will always approach new situations as completely novel, so there's no lesson learned except insofar as applies to respiratory viruses — and then maybe only pending other particulars.
“Even lose the jobs they still hold?”
The executive branch can’t prune the authoritarian bureaucrat leaves, that’s authoritarian! AND unconstitutional!
Yesterday, Senate Democrats didn't even raise the issue
That’s because their shitty party, with minimal exceptions, supported the Covid mandates which proved disastrous.
They’d prefer the voter forget all about the Covid years.
Yep. They are trying to memory hole the whole thing. It's working too.
"...their shitty party...supported the Covid mandates..." And so did all govt. We are witnessing a sequel panic with this Avian flu. Most the chicken farmers are allowing the 100% destruction of their birds, even thought this is IRRATIONAL, not scientific, and counterproductive.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) asked Bhattacharya if he'd lead a campaign against food companies' advertisement of unhealthy snacks to children.
“Yeah I’m going to start with Ben and Jerry’s, you POS”
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/politics/bernie-sanders-ben-and-jerrys-founders-trnd/index.html
I'll take all natural ice cream over fruit loops.
"When enacted in early March 2020, Cuomo's order was the consensus policy response to the pandemic, endorsed by the first Trump administration and quickly replicated by most red state governors."
This is a cute formulation by many of the people who are uncomfortable with how nakedly authoritarian the Democrats became. They pretend like the initial "Oh Shit everyone hang on!" universal reaction is no different than the perpetual lockdown that was ongoing in many states late as 2021. JFear and Chemjeff especially love to conflate initial reactions to the virus with the following year+ of mandates and restrictions.
Britschgi plays loose with the terms here because he wants to pretend that Bhattacharya was the sole voice of reason versus Red and Blue pundits alike. The Declaration was released in October 2020, Britschgi noting that it "was a hugely controversial position to take at the time."
Bullshit.
In fact, by the end of April, over half of US States had decided to reopen. Georgia was famously pilloried by the media as gambling with the lives of its people because it largely reopened everything by 4/27. This began a major shift where half the country lived like they were in a fallout shelter while the other half was out living life.
By Mid-May, most Red States were reopening by offering limited capacity to restaurants and bars- Texas, Ohio, Florida among them. States like New York and California declared they were reopening by allowing curb-side pickup. Meanwhile even "freedom loving Polis oh so dreamy" Colorado left most Schools closed at the beginning of the 2020-21 School year.
The Declaration was only "Controversial" because it is a lone example of scientists firmly pushing back on Fauci. Many, Many states had already made exactly the calculation that Bhattacharya had made- that any benefit of lockdowns was far, far exceeded by infringement on liberty and other direct costs to learning and living.
""Oh Shit everyone hang on!" universal reaction"
It was NOT a "universal reaction." It may have been a universal government reaction, which is not at all the same thing. Autocrats self-select into autocratic political positions and the tendency of politicians to avoid blame if things go wrong, coupled with the natural reaction to dictate, led to the issuance of lockdown mandates. Almost everyone else was saying, if only to themselves and each other, "This is a stupid and unnecessary overreaction!"
Agree!
It was like the movie "The Village." I lost my LI account for posting that. Strange times.
Fair enough. I was speaking specifically about governments. But I think you are also over-estimating the pushback in the first few weeks. "Almost everyone" was in agreement with the governments. Polls at the time showed people largely supporting these initial "Two Weeks to Flatten the Curve" interventions.
You can go back to contemporary posts I was making at the time, and definitely the libertairans (including myself) were outraged. But that was not the common opinion at the time.
But again, there needs to be a bright distinction made between the actions being made in "Crisis Mode" with limited data, and the long term restrictions that were made without any clear scientific justification.
I wish there were a lot more people asking how it is that almost overnight silicon valley stood up websites pushing the lockdowns- with models showing the moment where the "Curve" of cases would outstrip every hospital state by state. I still remember the graphs that were printed up for governors and senators to parade in front of the press.
A comment I made circa May 2020:
"Which is why we’re trying to flatten the curve and ease the rate of infections, to keep the death toll down. "
No. We tried to flatten the curve for other reasons entirely.
In our population there exists a subset of people for whom infection by COVID is a death sentence. I'll call them Group A. Once exposed, there is no amount of medical assistance that is going to save them (e.g., 80% of people who get put on ventilators and in ICU care for this still die). Short of magically knowing who those people are and placing them in sterile bubbles for the rest of their lives, there is likely nothing that we can do to prevent their deaths.
There exists another subset of people for whom infection with COVID is going to cause severe illness, but with the miracles of modern medicine, ICU care and ventilators, they can eventually recover. Call this Group B.
There are other groups: those for whom COVID infection results in virtually no detectable symptoms (may be upward of 50% of infections) [Group E]; those for whom COVID infection causes mild flu-like symptoms that they recover from without medical intervention (may be upward of 40% of infections) [Group D]; those for whom COVID infection results in severe illness, perhaps requiring hospitalization but not extraordinary care (no ICU, no ventilators) [Group C]. Let's ignore these, because except for the small last group, they resolve on their own.
Because we really cannot separate Group A from Group B until after extraordinary care fails to save them (must have been Group A) or they recover (must have been Group B), we tried to slow down the rate of infection so that we did not overwhelm the hospitals all at once with all the Group A and B people at the same time. Because if we ran out of ventilators, the next person that needed one might be from Group B and might die as a result of not having the ventilator.
In other words, "flattening the curve" was, by definition, trying NOT to save every life--we know those in Group A are dead anyway--but to hopefully ensure there were enough resources available to save as many Group B people as possible. Maybe a little bit of trying to keep from flooding the hospitals with Group C folks, again to save the Group B people by not overwhelming resources.
Sadly, the folks in Group A will die from COVID sooner or later, because the virus is in the wild and half-assed lockdowns that let people go the the grocery store, Wal-Mart, and Home Depot will not protect the people in Group A. The virus is in the wild and those folks in Group A will eventually be exposed and they will die from it. Period. The only way we reduce the size of Group A is when they die from something else before they are exposed to COVID.
Also circa May 2020:
I am saying that, while the loss of life is tragic, it really is not more tragic to me than the 8000 people who died yesterday of causes NOT named COVID. That is, if my friends or family die for any reason, it's a personal tragedy and COVID or car wreck I will be affected the same emotionally. OTOH, a stranger dying of COVID 2500 miles away from me is not any more tragic or impactful on me than the same stranger dying of lung cancer or falling off a ladder or drowning or the flu, which is also a contagious disease that kills 10's of thousands of Americans every winter, which is by the current numbers only slightly less deadly than COVID (flu mortality rate is about 0.1%, COVID looks to be about 0.26%).
COVID is not airborne Ebola, but we've been conditioned to treat it that way (Ebola has about a 65% fatality rate). I'm sure the people who are arguing for continued lockdown are earnest, but I wonder where their concerns were when 60k people were dying from the flu in 2017-18? COVID-19 is clearly, at this point, at least somewhat more transmissible and lethal than influenza, we know that 30-50K people die every year of the flu, even though we have herd immunity, vaccines, and are almost never overwhelmed by victims such that people die who might have been saved but for the lack of equipment or personnel. If all *this* is deemed good for COVID-19, in a "no death is acceptable" world, why are we not shutdown permanently to save those 30-50K people EVERY YEAR? Why are we allowing people drive cars, that kill 40K people EVERY YEAR?
COVID is a disease which I, as person who is under the age of 65 and has none of the underlying conditions that are MARKEDLY (like 85%+) associated with fatality of COVID, have virtually nothing to fear?
If you locked me in a small room with 10 COVID-positive people for several hours, my biggest COVID-related question would be will I be among the 50% or so for whom infection goes entirely unnoticed? Or will I be in the 40% or so who will have very mild flu-like symptoms? Or will I be in the 9% that have severe flu-like symptoms but which resolve without any real concern? Because chances are damn good that I will NOT be in the tiny fraction of other-wise healthy people who are under the age of 65 who get very sick and need hospitalization, and the smaller fraction of THOSE people who actually die. I really can't force myself to panic, because that could happen from the common flu, too.
[Edit: the answer was "the 40% or so who will have very mild flu-like symptoms"]
Same time:
Which leads to these executive orders. At best, they are the result of panicky mob-thought; at worst they represent the inherent petty tyranny of many mayors and governors and yes, Presidents.
Finally, what do I think the EOs *should* have been. I think our political leadership should have issues guidelines and requests. We can't have the executive branch creating criminal law out of thin air, so these orders would not be enforceable per se. They could have asked businesses to consider closing down if they posed special risks. Politicians are not known for making rational decisions or picking winners and losers. Politicians left the NYC subway running for weeks but threatend churchs with permanent (!) closure if they didn't OBEY.
Because I think most Americans actually care about the families, friends, neighbors, coworkers, and people in general, large numbers of them would happily have complied as best as they can. Those same folks often do not appreciate being given stupid orders and being threatened with jail (ironically, they could be put in jail for breaking COVID rules, but prisoners already in jail are being released to avoid COVID?). They do not OBEY, and especially rebel at being expected to OBEY people who ignore their own rules.
You can go back to march with many of pointing out the entire idea if masking and lockdowns was unscientific. To the point we were linking studies dozens of years old.
The lockdowns never made any scientific sense.
The death rates literally mirrored historical death rates by age. Princess cruise showed it wasn't an issue. It was always bullshit.
Early on a very significant number of covid deaths were primarily due to sepsis, a side effect of shoving ventilators down peoples throats.
You're right Overt. And notice Britschgi says lockdowns were "endorsed by the first Trump administration and quickly replicated by most red state governors." By late March or early April Trump was saying he thought we should stop the lockdowns by Easter and the most tyrannical states were Blue states, not Red states. He not only plays loose with the terms but with truth itself.
Then you had reason attacking abbot and DeSantis for laws disallowing cruise ships and other businesses to require vaccination cards. Businesses pressured by government to require them. Putting government beliefs over an individuals. ENB and Bailey were the two worst. Ultimately ending in Reason defending government induced censorship on the muh private company argument.
They were fucking terrible on the issue.
I'd have said "BLUE states" where Britschgi wrote RED states. But my memory ... I can't remember how many times I've had COVID (I'm now 80, and live in Florida).
even "freedom loving Polis oh so dreamy" Colorado left most Schools closed at the beginning of the 2020-21 School year.
No Colorado didn't do that. Colorado let districts make all those decisions. PERIOD.
I understand you are from California and are therefore stupid and think states make all decisions.
July 2020, there was a doubling of deaths per day by COVID. Thanks Georgia. Georgia went from 12 deaths a day (July 4th, 2020) to 72 deaths a day in August. Peaking at 130 deaths/day in January.
For comparison, Georgia looses about 70 people per day to heart disease and 50 to cancer. So... they basically were killing people at a rate comparable to cancer and heart disease combined.
And it's a red state, so they probably under reported COVID deaths.
Amnesty, anyone?
This would be a great time for the new administration to start investigating Francis Collins, Anthony Fauci, Andrew Cuomo and Peter Daszak for criminal charges. But they won't ...
You want Trump to weaponize government against his enemies!? You monster!
Fauci got preemptively pardoned. But could certainly be hauled up to Congress to testify under oath now that his 5th Amendment rights are mooted.
I do not recognize "pre-emptive pardons" and perhaps the Supreme Court will not uphold them either. I think it's time to test the theory.
Getting Fauci alone would justify making a hard run against that theory.
Nixon got a "pre-emptive pardon"
Seems like a great pick. Thanks Trump.
Hopefully RFK gives him a long leash.
"one that would seem to take the most authoritarian COVID-era policies off the table in any future crisis."
This is pure bullshit! The Spanish Flu pandemic which devastated the world population a century previously proved indisputably that lockdowns do not work. For over a century thereafter every major official and expert epidemiology and infection control agency and planning commission documented clearly that lockdowns and other mass public health measures should be avoided during pandemics; that they did far more harm than the infections would do; and that they would not work. Then when COVID-19 hit, the immediate and idiotic response was to panic, throw all of the expert opinions and plans out the window and devastate human society with lockdowns and extreme public health mandates once again. Anyone who says that the actual experts have been vindicated once and for all time and that no autocrat can ever ignore them again is a fool and completely ignorant of human behavior and history.
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They will similarly not let the next crisis go to waste and dust off the covid playbook. And the same people will scream for the experts to save them and brow beat dissenters.
The Spanish Flu pandemic which devastated the world population a century previously proved indisputably that lockdowns do not work.
Have you forgotten that curve-flattening graph?!
"Flatten the curve" assumes inelasticity of supply of healthcare, which exists only because of government intervention in and control of healthcare - we need to stop letting the authoritarians get away with the argument that because their prior interventions in the market created a problem, we need more of their interventions to solve the problem.
This is nonsense. The flatten the curve was for a short, near term interval. During that time, the supply is inelastic - you don't provide new doctors with a week or two of warning. Absurd.
Supply of healthcare is limited because the supply of doctors is limited. Med schools aren't exactly doubling capacity.
If you take government completely out of health care, you will get health care by the $$$. Forget hospitals or doctors in remote area.
Forget hospitals having 'extra space' just in case.
Forget hospitals treating tougher patients - there is no $$$ in it.
Can't prove you have insurance?.... GTFO!
On the plus side, they can drop emergancy rooms. Low profit, high chance of getting sued. No thanks!
Well said, noted. As decades pass the govt. grows politically stronger, requiring a weakening of personal (citizen) sovereignty.
Those responsible for the exploitation and destruction of the economy will grow more greedy, more powerful, until the US Empire falls just as ALL empires have. Then, TPTB (deep state) will flee with their wealth and leave their loyal, obedient servants behind.
They still played football during the Spanish Flu pandemic, after all, and that killed millions worldwide and 650k Americans. I've seen the pictures--I assume they're real--of Ga Tech fans wearing masks in the stands.
They actually did multiple masking studies during the Spanish Flu. Each study showed it didn't work.
Bhattacharya, let's go!
Lockdowns were the epitome of the "authoritarianism" and "fascism" that progressives claim to oppose.
They did not work. That is well-settled by study after study, and by a simple review of the data.
They would have been wrong, however, even if they had worked.
And they did not represent "following the science."
As the nominee stated, the role of science is to inform, so that people can make choices.
Epidemiologists are not subject matter experts on the choices - they were subject matter experts on one side of the tradeoff - what is the risk of going out.
They knew nothing about the reasons one might want to go out, and they were not qualified to make the inherently personal judgment to go out or not go out.
Nor was the state authorized or qualified to decide what reasons were "essential," because "essential" is a subjective and personal term - your reasons are essential to you, and mine are essential to me.
Lastly, this is not a matter of my rights ending where yours begin, or vice versa.
My going outside my house for my reasons directly impacts you only if you go outside your house, to go to the exact same place, at the exact same time. Nobody's right to go outside his or her own house supersedes anybody else's. And if you and I define "essential "differently, then if we both go out to do what each of us deems "essential," we will not even be in the same place!
Lastly, whoever, at the time, said, "you shouldn't be able to go out and shop because I HAVE to go out and work my essential, customer facing job" needs an Econ lesson - if I don't shop, you won't have a job.
It is important to underscore that while lockdown did not work, it was also just plain wrong. Work or not, it was wrong.
AGREED! It was more wrong to give in, be ruled, coerced into governance based on the law, the initiation of deadly threats, fraud.
This is psychologically unhealthy, destroys self-esteem and self-confidence. The populace grows weaker, unable to defend itself from the constant propaganda of socialism, fascism, "The Most Dangerous Superstition" by Larken Rose.
From back in 2020:
"BUT if we didn't have the stay at home order, how many of them would be having business problems because people were afraid of frequenting them because of possibility of spreading (see Great Clips stylist who tested positive and had close contact with 140 people)... who's gonna go to Great Clips if you might get sick? Who's gonna go out to eat if you might get sick from your waiter or others in the restaurant who are symptomatic for many days before showing symptoms (if they ever do)."
My answer to that is that people went to Great Clips when they could catch the flu from the stylist, even old people who were at risk. How many people got infected with the flu and died after getting a haircut? How many people got infected and died because their waiter had the flu and infected their customers. How many people have died because the chef didn't wash their hands well? Hell, waiters and stylists often go to work with flu symptoms, and people still let them cut their hair or serve their food! Rationally, based on the numbers, COVID is about 2.5x more "risky" than the flu--it has about the same rate of infection, and about 2.5x higher death rates but those rates are very asymmetric (4-5x more deadly for over 85, virtually non-event for under 40).
I guess you could say that I respect that COVID poses a certain level of danger, but I'm willing to take the risk knowing the danger versus being afraid of COVID. But again, life is filled with risks, real and imagined. We commonly accept certain risks and behaviors that, in it's worst case, result in a certain amount of deaths. Like driving cars, riding motorcycles, or parachuting out of airplanes for fun, or swimming, using ladders, or a million other things that kill people. If we adhered to "if it saves one life..." no one would ever be allowed to drive or go swimming ever again. As a society, we're clearly OK with the fact that car wrecks will kill 40k Americans every year. No one gives it a second thought--unless the person killed is a friend or relative. We also clearly accept the risk posed by certain infectious diseases, like the flu that kill 10's of thousands of Americans every winter. Fearing COVID at the levels many people seem to looks like raw panic to me, and panicky people do stupid things.
I think Agent K says "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it."
Democrats never actually cared.
It was a useful political tool at the time. When they got tired of it and it had largely outlived its usefulness, suddenly all that disappeared. It's like a silent memo went out from leftie headquarters.
They didn't get tired of it. Sweden and DeSantis ruined it for them.
If everyone had gone along with it, they could have kept us in lockdown for many more months and then let us out, and they would have said, with a straight face, that "you're alive because we made the hard decisions required by good governance, and because you complied like good citizens."
Because there was both a control variable and an independent variable, that narrative could not be taken seriously. That is why they absolutely hated, and tried to intimidate, the leaders who did not convert their jurisdictions into District 12, into changing course.
I also want to add two notes about red state governors who either never imposed lockdown (Noem) or imposed them and then repealed them (DeSantis), and two notes about blue state
governors.
1) There is only one explanation for the vitriol that the Left spewed in the direction of these governors and Sweden. If someone out there did not impose lockdown, and their jurisdiction didn't become a mass die-off, the jig would be up. I don't believe for a MINUTE that these people were scared. They were not letting an opportunity go to waste. This was SUPPOSED to be, EVERYONE locks down, then the authorities, when they felt like it, let us all out, and claim that we were alive because they had made the tough decisions, and because we had complied. Noem and DeSantis, and Sweden, ruined the narrative for them, and they were angered by that.
2) DeSantis did not re-open Florida. DeSantis ALLOWED Florida to reopen. Floridians chose to, as soon as they were allowed.
3) New Yorkers also chose to, as soon as we were allowed. We just weren't allowed to, as early as Floridians were.
4) Blue state officials, and other pro-lockdown officials, violating their own lockdowns - like AOC partying maskless in Florida - were not merely being hypocritical - they were being cynical. AOC is smart enough not to risk her life - she simply knew she wasn't risking her life. That means she knew that lockdown was bogus. It's not like John Kerry flying around the world to talk about global warming - he may still believe in global warming, but simply think that he doesn't have to follow the rules to solve it- the little people can do that. Partying maskless in FL means you know that lockdown doesn't do squat, and you know that mandate doesn't do squat.
Unless Trump selects someone who supports a return to the gold standard, Bhattacharya and Gabbard are unequivocally my favorite two cabinet picks.
From 2020:
Which leads to these executive orders. At best, they are the result of panicky mob-thought; at worst they represent the inherent petty tyranny of many mayors and governors and yes, Presidents.
There are (at least) three levels of these. Some of these orders are quite simply illegal and/or unconstitutional. Last time I checked, the Constitution does not have "except in pandemic" clauses. Not even "except in emergency" clauses. If a governor is allowed to tell a church that they have to shut down in a clear 1st Amendment violation, then the governor can ignore due process rights, or civil rights emanating from the 14th Amendment, or rights found in the penumbras of the BOR, like abortion rights (and on that one, where governors have suspended abortions as elective procedures, abortion-rights activists ran to court to file motions that are pretty much word-for-word the same as the church's proceedings). Or, more on point, a governor could declare that the media businesses (the press) are non-essential and cannot be allowed to operate. If you would argue that they cannot do those other things, then they similarly cannot be allowed to tell churches they cannot operate.
Several mayors and governors also have explicitly violated their state constitutions and their duly authorized state laws. Laws that, for example, expressly limit the duration of any declared state of emergency; laws that explicitly list the powers granted to the governor as a result of a declared emergency. Remember when Trump declared an emergency then used his legally authorized powers to move money around to build the wall? Remember how everyone on the left screamed that he made up the emergency, that he abused the statute? Remember how the Supreme Court said basically that he followed the law as Congress wrote it? That was an "emergency" where the executive exercised powers expressly granted by the legislature. Whenever the executive has the power to declare an emergency and exert broad emergency powers, it's a situation ripe for abuse. Which is why most states clearly and expressly limit the power to declare emergency, to limit the duration of an emergency, and to limit the emergency powers. Governors across the nation have simply ignored the laws. Sure, in the case of COVID, your might agree with the declaration and the ignoring of the laws. But I urge you to consider that those powers will belong to someone on the other team at some point and you will regret the precedent being set.
One mayor, in Champaign IL, issued a set of emergency orders that basically gave her unlimited power. I'll just list the first and last of her 30 self-proclaimed emergency powers:
The mayor shall be permitted to:
(1) Issue such other orders as are imminently necessary for the protection of life and property.
(30) Issue any and all such other orders or undertake such other functions and activities as the Mayor reasonably believes is required to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons or property within the City or otherwise preserve the public peace or abate, clean up, or mitigate the effects of any emergency or disaster.
The only check on her "powers" was that the City Council could vote to override her orders. But we have item
(11) Temporarily suspend, limit, cancel, convene, reschedule, postpone, continue, or relocate all meetings of the City Council, and any City committee, commission, board, authority, or other City body as deemed appropriate by the Mayor.
So if she indefinitely suspends all City Council meetings, the City Council cannot vote to override her orders, such orders can be ANYTHING THE MAYOR WANTS, all she has to do is say "public health". And P.S., she claimed her powers extended 2 miles beyond the city limits. How is this anything but a dictatorship?
Kerry thinks that when he pays someone for "carbon offsets" on his PJ travel, that whoever he paid is actually planting trees somewhere. Maybe they are, but past salving wealthy consciences, nobody much cares to verify.
I remember trying to explain to people that whatever they didn't think was "essential," thus allowable, was not "essential" to them, because "essential" is an inherently personal and subjective term.
I remember trying to explain to people that if other people had a different definition of "essential" than they did, they'd not likely go to the same place when they went out, so, that was a good thing - that telling everyone the only place you could go was the liquor store and Fairway concentrated everyone in the same place, and left them to take up drinking and cooking as hobbies.
I remember explaining to people that "you can't go out because I have to go out and I want to feel safer" is awfully selfish and also ignorant of basic Econ - if you're out there selling stuff, the rest of us have to be allow to do out and buy stuff, or you won't be selling stuff for very long.
I remember asking the school board why we wouldn't just replace desks with restaurant tables and allow kids to take their masks off once they were seated.
The whole thing was bogus from the start - it was an attempt to "not let a crisis go to waste."
The Democrats went from Dem-wits to Dem-wimps. We are witnessing the decline and fall of the Democratic Party.
Let's hope they manage to take the Republicans down with them and motivate people in the USA to devise a broader set of parties and excise the notion that "bipartisan" somehow is the same as "neutral"
“the lockdown skeptics have won the argument.”
Can you really call it an argument when the other side isn’t arguing?
The Left is dealing with its belief in lockdowns the same way it dealt with its belief in Overpopulation, its belief that Reagan’s economic policies would lead to a major depression, its belief that the Soviet bloc would be a permanent feature of world politics, its belief that Alger Hiss was not a spy, and its belief that President Joe Biden was as alert and energetic as a 25-yr-old: by pretending it never happened.
Where's our apology?
No thanks to rags like Reason, with articles like "the libertarian case for mandates" and "muh 'private' businesses that are propped up by government funding can do whatever they want."
Aaaannnddd in other news, the two stranded astronauts have confirmed Elon Musks statement that Joe Biden actually refused to allow Space X to rescue them.
The Biden administration now takes the lead as the worst god damn Presidency of the 20th century.
Good Job Joe, Kamala, and the rest of the worthless drivel.!
Welcome to the world of the "bilateral amnesty" that was proposed in the Atlantic once the coastal Dems took their boots off the faces of their sycophants.
In that version of the world "mistakes were made". One side torpedoed the global economy and deliberately deprived poorer children of even the indoctrination that UTLA teachers laughably call "education", and the other side had the audacity to launch campaigns of "malinformation" questioning the utility and virtues of such a harsh and authoritarian over-reaction and tried to expose the actual data instead of what Fauci and Walensky deemed to be the "science".
In a display of magnanimity, those who now attempt to retcon history to claim that the lockdowns must have been trump's policy (since they happened while he was president) after organizing the 2020 campaign largely around the idea that his opposition to widespread closures and "excessive focus on vaccine development" represented unforgivable failures of leadership on his part and were why we had to replace him with an opponent who was virtually "sundowning" during campaign rallies and press conferences and his "diversity hire" VP who was so lacking in charisma that they had to abandon what I still suspect was the initial plan of removing him via 25A in Feb 2023 so that their history-making first "BLACK WOMAN president" might actually be able to rule for 10 years.
the Lockdown Skeptics Won
Yea, well my favorite Japanese restaurant is still out of business, a couple friends are still divorced, a former co-worker is still fired because he got a little too comfortable "working" from home, I know at least two guys who have fallen into addiction, and every parent I know with kids in grade school at the time are struggling with how grossly underprepared they are for advancing middle and high school.
Yea, we "won."
We should have killed them all the minute they started imposing the lockdowns. Them and anyone in support of them. Ignore their edicts, and put a hole in their skull when they come to enforce them.
Mr. Ness, I do not approve of your methods. But then I'm not from Chicago.
It was really more of a Lexington and Concord moment. One that, sadly, we backed down from.
Agreed. And let's never, ever forget that most of the fake libertarian scumbags working at Reason supported all of it well beyond the two weeks we were needed to "flatten the curve".
Best to bring those responsible to face trial in a world court.
Heh, so the skeptics "won". As if scientific truth and seriously fucking around with the lives of billions of people (including children) is all just another political game, with power being the only thing that really matters.
The October 2020 Great Barrington Declaration was not hugely controversial position based on the content, but only by the hysterical citizens, corrupt corporate media, corrupt public health officials, and corrupt Democratic politicians.
For people who could read the October 2020 Great Barrington Declaration objectively, there was nothing controversial, but rather reasonable. It would seem that many of the hysterical citizens have had time to calm down, but the others are still mostly lost.
Democrats are gutless cowards.
The lockdowns devastated small businesses and kept children behind by two years , all the while accomplishing nothing.
Here in Michigan, thanks to the three witches in Lansing, children missed out for two years and local businesses shuttered. meanwhile, it was ok if WalMart remained open oh, and you could not buy garden seeds.
Very single claim made by the medical frauds (CDC)was either an outright lie or ill informed.
The CDC should be the next useless bureaucracy to be shut down.
CDC isn't useless—they're a vital part of our biological warfare program.
Bhattacharya is a lousy pick, because he was behind the remarkably dumb Great Barrington Declaration.
This is pitched as "protect the vulnerable" (which is part of it) but it was also "let the disease rip." Let the disease rip would, for an disease for which humans develop long term immunity, end the problem - all the non-vulnerables would get sick, herd immunity would develop, and the disease would die out.
Many issues.
1) effective vaccines were just about to be available
2) identifying the vulnerable
2) protecting the vulnerable
2) rapidly waning immunity
When GBD was proposed, it was only a few months before effective vaccines became available. Vaccines were and are safer than infection as a way to develop (temporary) immunity.
So letting the virus rip through the population without mitigation measures is pretty dumb, when it is not necessary.
Next issue is identifying the vulnerable so they can be protected. When the disease was new (Wuhan strain), there was no immunity in the population, so it was quite a bit deadlier than later. It killed a lot of people who, even with today's knowledge, would not be considered vulnerable. But okay, assume that we're fine with that collateral damage - after all, not doing GBD still had a lot of deaths.
But the ones clearly vulnerable - those over 60 or 65, the sick, the obese - constitute a huge number of people - over half the population. How do you protect them - and do it fast, before the disease gets them? They need to be isolated. They need food, and importantly, more medical care than the young. It would have taken a huge operation, created over a few weeks, to do a decent job of that - especially given that at its peak, 30% of the non-vulnerable would be sick.
Another complication is that people are very efficient spreaders, through the air, even before they develop any symptoms. So cannot verify that people are safe to be around the vulnerable.
But the biggest issue is that immunity to SARS-CoV-2 (the virus causing COVID) wanes rapidly. So unless it gets extinguished world wide, it comes back - as we have seen. And it reinfects people. So GBD would have to be done over and over again.
Thus, those "experts" who pushed GBD were fools. He was one of them.
Read the room. Everyone here knows that narrative very well and we all know that it's bullshit.
Bullshit from the very start. Fauci lied, Gates lied, millions died.
Both need to be tried in a world court for crimes against humanity. A trial not unlike those given to German doctors who experimented on innocent people and Fauci is no different.
Fauci and Gates are monsters. Psychopathic monsters.
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Lefty.
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Aren't you?
So letting the virus rip through the population without mitigation measures is pretty dumb, when it is not necessary.
So what mitigation measures existed during the 1957 Asian flu pandemic, the 1968-1970 Hong Kong flu pandemic, and the 2009-2010 swine flu pandemic?