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DOGE

Mandate to DOGE

Plus: Romanian democracy, FEMA's insane policies, Maher on trans kids, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 2.25.2025 9:46 AM

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Does DOGE have much of a mandate? How popular is Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency? And does it matter?

Interesting new poll results from Harvard CAPS/ Harris via Mark Penn show DOGE is popular:

70% of voters say government expenditures are filled with waste, fraud, and inefficiency
60% of voters think DOGE is helping make major cuts in government expenditures.
58% of voters say…

— Sara Eisen (@SaraEisen) February 24, 2025

The Harvard/Harris poll cited above (results here) finds that "67% of voters say the current level of U.S. federal government debt is unsustainable" with 77 percent saying "a full examination of all government expenditures is necessary." Though a majority of voters are worried by DOGE employees having access to people's private information, "70% of voters say government expenditures are filled with waste, fraud, and inefficiency (Democrats: 58%; Republicans: 78%; Independents: 75%), and 69% support the goal of cutting $1 trillion of government expenditures." Fully 60 percent believe "DOGE is helping make major cuts in government expenditures." But some polls—like a mid-February Quinnipiac one, in which 55 percent of respondents said Musk has too much power within the government, and a mid-February Emerson College one that found 45 percent of respondents disapproved of Musk's performance—have found more mixed results.

But with 3 million federal government employees, and another 20 million employees in state and local governments who ostensibly fear DOGE-type efforts being replicated elsewhere (not unfounded!), it makes sense that there would be some amount of broad opposition. We all have the luxury of, at present, being insulated from our coming debt crisis, so what incentive do people have to support government auditing efforts? Especially if they themselves are affected, or know someone who is.

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Perhaps the best argument against DOGE is that Musk and his team of engineer-savants are playing fast and loose with the numbers (whether accidentally due to sloppiness or deliberately in an effort to garner support), which for an initiative that prides itself on being "maximally transparent" is a little absurd. "DOGE's website reports a total estimated savings of $55 billion, coming from a combination of canceled and renegotiated contracts and leases, as well as fraud detection, grant cancellations, job cuts and more," reports Politico. "The 'wall of receipts' posted Monday represents only a subset of canceled contracts, the page claims, that amount to approximately 20 percent of 'overall DOGE savings' so far." But these receipts include "contracts that had not yet been awarded; instances where a single pot of money is listed multiple times—tripling or quadrupling the amount of savings claimed; purchase agreements that have no record of being canceled, but were instead stripped of language related to diversity, equity and inclusion; contract savings identified by DOGE that do not match with records they refer to in the Federal Procurement Data System; contracts where the underlying document is for an entirely different contract."

As I wrote last week, "the progress [Musk] has made so far hasn't really been good enough or fast enough to meet his goal [of ideally slashing $2 trillion, or at least $1 trillion]. The headline number is $55 billion; that's what Musk and DOGE claim to have saved already with their cuts. But the total for canceled contracts equals about $16.5 billion—half of which came from one single contract cut which had unfortunately been miscounted as $8 billion when it was in fact a contract for merely $8 million. Still, I am sympathetic to the Randy Barnett idea that we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good here. The pernicious waste within the federal government needs to be rooted out. Nobody ever said that job would be easy or that the messy process would be broadly supported.

What if we're thinking about government waste all wrong? "Historically, taxes were collected in a few forms: some countries had the kind of economy where there was a tax base that could actually hand over a set quantity of physical coins at some appointed time in order to provide revenue, but in many cases taxes were paid in either goods or labor—a share of the crops, some unpaid labor building a road, etc. The usual term for taxes collected in the form of work is corvée labor, and it's a sufficiently old and persistent practice that the term comes to English by way of French translations of a Roman legal term. Over time, as economies have gotten more market-oriented and the scope of government activity has broadened, we've switched to a system where taxes are collected entirely in currency. Or did we?" asks Byrne Hobart of The Diff.

He continues:

"But, especially when it comes to government spending, it's often helpful to avoid thinking about dollars and to think about real resources instead. Healthcare spending is not just dollars-in and then dollars-out: providing healthcare means paying for the time of people with specific skills, some of which are valuable and scarce. It requires buildings, capital equipment, and consumables. And doing all of this shapes incentives: in the very long run, the impact of government healthcare policy shows up in people's decisions to go into medicine, pharma research, etc., and for companies in that space to alter their R&D spending. This clarifies issues that would otherwise be hard to talk about: no money is directly lost by anyone when student loans are zeroed out. The cost to society is the incentive created to pursue or provide education in ways that are legible to sources of student loans.

So, one large line item that doesn't show up on the Federal budget, but which is a meaningful cost, is the time spent complying with regulations. Conveniently, the US government actually provides an estimate for this: filling out paperwork takes roughly 11.9 billion hours per year (that page is pretty cryptic, but this post, the source of the link, has more). The average US hourly wage is $36/hour, so assuming the time burden is fairly equal, that implies that government spending is underestimated by $391bn (the good news, if you're worried about the deficit, is that this spending is 100% financed by a time-denominated tax."

I think the DOGE discourse, which is currently focused on the government contracts Musk claims to be slashing (which are in some cases inaccurately reported, or the contents misunderstood by those doing the cutting and touting their accomplishments) is missing all of this. And, of course, corvée labor is enormously hard to quantify. But how much time will be saved by all this regulation slashing? What types of projects that would have never gotten off the ground will now be able to start?

Romania watch: "Thousands of protesters took to the streets of Romania's capital on Saturday in a show of support for Călin Georgescu, the far-right populist who emerged as the front-runner in last year's presidential race that was annulled days before the second-round runoff," reported the Associated Press over the weekend.

Here's the timeline: Georgescu won the first round of the election on November 24. The country's Constitutional Court annulled the election on December 6, right before the December 8 runoff.

So was the Constitutional Court acting outside of its authority or attempting to put thumbs on the scale? It's kind of hard to say. The current Romanian president—who skews a bit conservative but is broadly disliked and maybe just a tad authoritarian in his impulses—"declassified intelligence on Wednesday that alleged Russia organized thousands of social media accounts to promote Calin Georgescu across platforms such as TikTok and Telegram," per the A.P. The question is whether that interference warranted the annulment of the results.

Georgescu, for his part, called this an "officialized coup"—and so did Elena Lasconi, of the center-right Save Romania Union party, who finished in second place (and stood to gain from the runoff).

It's not crazy to believe Georgescu might be bought and paid for by Russia. He used to be part of the Romanian right-wing party Alliance for the Unity of Romanians (AUR), but he left in 2022 once he was broadly condemned for being critical of NATO and pro-Russia. He has called Ukraine "an invented state" and praised Vladimir Putin a fair bit in the past. But there's no airtight evidence of any of this, and it's hard to figure out what the burden of proof should be for the high court to throw out an election result. It's very possible the amount of Russian interference was extraordinarily high to the point where the integrity really is compromised (though how exactly is that measured?), but we also surely accept the reality that in a world with free-flowing information—and thus free-flowing propaganda—voters are exposed to plenty of media that's really a foreign actor attempting to put a thumb on the scale. It's a very tough issue—one we're talking about with Matt Taibbi on this week's episode of Just Asking Questions.


Scenes from New York: "A decade after allegations first surfaced that schools operated by New York's Hasidic Jewish community were denying children a basic education, the state government is for the first time cutting off funding for schools it says have refused to improve," reports The New York Times. "The New York State Education Department will no longer provide crucial funding for two all-boys Hasidic schools in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, and will ensure that all of their students are enrolled in different schools by the fall. The effective closure of the two schools, which are known as yeshivas, is the strongest action taken in New York to crack down on schools over their failure to comply with education law."


QUICK HITS

  • Really good thread on Federal Emergency Management Agency policy and home rebuilding:

FEMA seems to be very confused as to why people in #WNC are so upset about the "50% Rule" for disasters…

Let me explain:

a) You're living in your 150 year-old historic farmhouse with your kids in Asheville NC when Helene floods your home with 5 feet of water.

b) Now you're… pic.twitter.com/tjkbZ41V6U

— Matt Van Swol (@matt_vanswol) December 22, 2024

  • Really good exchange between Pod Save America's Jon Lovett and Bill Maher on trans kids and puberty blockers, if you can stand Lovett being pretty insufferable. Here's the study Maher was referencing:

This is the scandal @billmaher was referencing. Our taxpayer $$$ were used to pay for this. Then the findings were suppressed by the doctors who performed the study because they didn't want people like Maher (or me, or more than half the American public) to "weaponize" results. https://t.co/swURBDafKz pic.twitter.com/dAkcCiNVr9

— Liz Wolfe (@LizWolfeReason) February 25, 2025

  • New video essay from Reason's Zach Weissmueller on the killing of United Healthcare's CEO and how Luigi Mangione became an internet phenomenon:

  • "President Donald Trump said tariffs scheduled to hit Canada and Mexico next month were 'on time' and 'moving along very rapidly' following an initial delay, even as a US official cautioned the schedule could be less certain," reports Bloomberg. Trump had previously delayed the imposition of such 25 percent tariffs until March 4.
  • Interesting:

I don't comment directly on regulation much but I would like to flag an emerging regulatory battle that is happening in D.C.

The soon-to-be revealed stablecoin markup apparently has requirements to shut off access to the treasury market to centralized international stablecoin…

— Vance Spencer (@pythianism) February 24, 2025

  • Bloomberg on private credit: "Another corner of finance has become a billionaire factory: the decidedly less glamorous business of making loans directly to ­companies—often small and medium-size ones, the kind that are squeezed out of the traditional bond market and are often deemed too risky for banks."

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  1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

    "...Though a majority of voters are worried by DOGE employees having access to people's private information..."

    It doesn't bother anyone that some random IRS employee has the same access?

    1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

      This was going to be my reply. They haven't thought that through very carefully. DOGE employees, who to the best of my knowledge are government employees, only have access to information that other government employees already had access to.

      1. Randy Sax   3 months ago

        Ya, but are those other gov employees named "Big Balls"? That's the real issue.

        1. Commenter_XY   3 months ago

          Nah, govt employee names are variations of 'little pricks'.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

            I thought they were more like variations on assholes and pussies.

            1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

              Sarc is both of those things. I’m sure he will be along to opine soon.

      2. Yuno Hoo   3 months ago

        And all these accessing employees are thoroughly background-checked and informed of the penalties that shall be imposed for improper behavior, right? RIGHT?!

        1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

          Do you have evidence that they haven't been? Or are you just throwing shit at the wall to see if anything will stick?

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

            I think her name was Lois Lerner. She messed around with a bunch of conservative non-profits, leaked details, a bunch of illegal stuff which I have forgotten.

            NO PUNISHMENT. Not even a wrist slap.

            And you think federal employees, and the government itself, are worthy of trust?

            1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

              OK, maybe I'm confused. I figured Yuno Hoo was being snarky about the DOGE folks not meeting the same standards of vetting and training as the rest of the Feds whose data the're looking at. Maybe I misread that and it was actually commentary about the initial agency employees, in which case I apologize to that person for my somewhat hostile reply.

              No, I don't particularly trust federal employees. That was pretty much the point of my first comment. All of the data that DOGE is looking at is already in the government's hands. DOGE is just yet another group of federal employees with access to it. Anyone who is having a conniption fit now about "their data" being seen is several decades late to the party.

              1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

                i.e.: "OH MY GOD, THE HORSES HAVE ALL RUN AWAY!"

                "Bob, the barn burned down three years ago."

          2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

            Check your sarc meter for function; pretty sure he meant the IRS clerks.

            1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

              Yeah, I may have fucked that up. If so, mea culpa. Yet more evidence for Poe's Law, as I have definitely seen people making that exact same argument in earnest.

              1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

                Been known to do it myself.

            2. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

              And Lois Lerner, or whatever her name is, was an IRS clerk.

              1. Marshal   3 months ago

                She wasn't a clerk. The IRS is organized in functional groups and she was the director of the Exempt Organizations operating group. This group issued tax IDs to new NGOs and resolved related problems employing 900 people. She had numerous White House meetings recognizing she was a high-level employee.

            3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

              ‘Sarc meter’? Do you mean a breathalyzer?

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

                Sarcasm meter, like bullshit meter, as opposed to a Sarcasmic meter.

      3. Ron   3 months ago

        Biden gave 53 students access to the IRS but the was "D"ifferent for their little research paper

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

          Well, 'somebody' did.

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

      I mean we just had a conviction of a liberal activist releasing IRS documents. But don't worry about that. Then The Resistance leaking many documents during trumps first presidency. No big deal. Auditors are who should see nothing.

      1. mad.casual   3 months ago

        Presumably, they're worried that Elon and DOGE are going to steal from poor IRS agents and USAID trans-advocate NGO workers' bank accounts; because Elon has run out of other ways to make money.

        1. Commenter_XY   3 months ago

          We have a new co-morbidity that goes with TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome). It is ED. (Elon Derangment).

          SPB, and a few others, I am looking at you. You all suffer ED.

      2. Commenter_XY   3 months ago

        Charles Littlejohn, who got a wrist slap. But no double standard there.

    3. Moderation4ever   3 months ago

      We know the process by which the IRS employee was hired and the condition they are required to work under. The same is not true for someone recruited by DOGE. Does the DOGE employee understand how they are expected to handle sensitive data? Do they understand that improperly handling said data can result in termination and criminal prosecution?

      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 months ago

        Lol

      2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        Parody.

      3. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

        IT'S A FUCKING AUDIT OF GOVERNMENT, MOD.

        Except for military and national security, this all was supposed to be public.

        DOGE isn't going through your income tax filing. That's not in its purview. You know this. Why are you pretending otherwise? Are you really this ill-informed?

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

          No. S/he's simply a lying pile of steaming TDS-addled lefty shit.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

            Why dignify with “s/he”? Just call M4e, “it”.

        2. Quo Usque Tandem   3 months ago

          Right now that's the best talking point he's been giving. Right now I think the strategy is the mostly lay low and hope for something bad to happen to Trump's admin.

        3. Moderation4ever   3 months ago

          Is DOGE requesting access to databases that have personal information for American citizens? If no, I have no problem. If yes, then I want to know how the people accessing the data were hired, what training they have in handling private information, and what consequences do they face if they violate said practices. Is that too much to ask?

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

            Well, guess what, you stupid bitch, your side already provided that data to China, so a bunch of autistic data miners using software tools to find FWA isn't going to affect you any.

            Training to "handle private information" doesn't consist of anything more than a CUI brief, for any government employee, that takes about 10 minutes to read through. The consequences, as they are for most government employees who "violate" said practices, wouldn't be anything more than a stern talking-to.

          2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

            Is DOGE requesting access to databases that have personal information for American citizens? If no, I have no problem.

            Well then you have no problem, because their not accessing anything with personal information that can't be found in the phone book.

            How many times do you guy's need to be told it's an audit of government?

            1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              Depends on how many times it’s going to be discussed.

            2. Moderation4ever   3 months ago

              OK you say it is a audit. Can you direct me to the scope of work for the audit so I can understand what is being done? Audits are common and they will have a document, like a scope of work, that tell what is being done, who is doing the work, how decisions are made and results reported.

              1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

                You're such a phony, trying to lawyer. "We wouldn't want an uncontrolled audit, those are dangerous, Hurr durr."

                https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/establishing-and-implementing-the-presidents-department-of-government-efficiency/

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

                Woof, this red herring stinks.

          3. Zeb   3 months ago

            Do you know all that about all of the more conventional government employees that have always had potential access to your personal information?

            1. Moderation4ever   3 months ago

              What I know about conventional employees is that there is a paper trail of their hiring, training and consequences for failure to protect data. President Trump had government papers, classified and unclassified stacked in a bathroom. So, forgive me if I don't take his personal reference for Musk's crew.

              1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

                "President Trump had government papers, classified and unclassified stacked in a bathroom"

                Because that's where the FBI stacked them for the photo it turned out. You just live on MSNBC now don't you? Every single fucking photo was staged by the FBI, by their own admission.

                Meanwhile, where was your opprobrium for Biden when he left them in his garage.

                Your such a piece of shit.

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

                What I know about conventional employees is that there is a paper trail of their hiring, training and consequences for failure to protect data.

                Feel free to show where that paper trail can be found for any random government employee.

                1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

                  Just trust the government!

      4. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

        ""We know the process by which the IRS employee was hired and the condition they are required to work under.""

        And that doesn't prevent them from unauthorized distribution of information.

      5. damikesc   3 months ago

        Do we? You can tell me how they SHOULD be held to standards but you have zero evidence that it is being done.

        The IRS should never be a partisan attack dog...yet THEY have been that for a while.

        1. damikesc   3 months ago

          And contractors ALSO have access to it.

          One leaked Trump's tax records and all.

          ....has, uh, DOGE leaked anything?

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/irs-admits-anti-trump-taxman-leaked-data-on-405k-filers-six-times-more-than-previously-known/ar-AA1zM6lE?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=3fd23c2e571c4d0d8884440c0f45ce8a&ei=39

            Perhaps you just need to be anti-Trump.

      6. See.More   3 months ago

        We know the process by which the IRS employee was hired and the condition they are required to work under...

        No we don't. We don't actually know, to what extent, if any, the IRS and its employees comply with procedures, regulations, and requirements. I gauran-damn-tee you that corners are cut all the time.

        1. Marshal   3 months ago

          I gauran-damn-tee you that corners are cut all the time.

          They aren't cutting corners, they deliberately flout the law to further their political interests.

          We know this with 100% certainty since the Lois Lerner corruption case revealed the IRS was sending copies of information demanded from disfavored entities to left wing NGOs, Pro Publica if I recall correctly.

          Revealingly none of the left wingers currently hyperventilating about information security and potential leaks was in any way concerned about these actual deliberate leaks. Do they think their pretense is in any way credible?

          1. See.More   3 months ago

            They aren't cutting corners, they deliberately flout the law to further their political interests.

            Why not both?

    4. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      People talking about shocking their asshole and pee during work hours on government computers have all your information.

    5. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

      I'm guessing yes, which is why they may not want more people accessing their data.

      Or in other words, if I get Peeping Tom'd once that doesn't mean I'm ok allowing others to Peep.

    6. Bubba Jones   3 months ago

      The random IRS employee might stalk his neighbor, or the waitress at the bar.

      Big Ballz is going to feed it into his AI and stalk everyone.

      1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        How so?

    7. Eeyore   3 months ago

      Knowing how fked up the IRS is. I could see them hiring someone that only works from home who is actually in maximum security prison.

  2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    We must protect our non partisan and constitutional defending deep state no matter what. Ask sarc, jewfree, Jeff and others.

    Even when they undermine citizen rights such as pressuring citizens to give up their 2A.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/we-caught-fbi-using-minority-report-style-secret-form-pressuring-gun-owners-forfeit-their

    Or spending most of their workers time on government IC apps at the CIA and NSA talking about polycules and trans sex.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sex-castration-butthole-zapping-nsa-cia-confirm-secret-kink-chat-room-after-chris-rufo

    These employees are the true workers listed under article 2 and should be praised for the public service they do, never being held accountable.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago


      Michael Shellenberger

      @shellenberger
      FBI whistleblower
      @GOBactual
      confirmed to me that a source inside FBI said FBI employees were destroying evidence on servers, and that he informed
      @Kash_Patel

      I hope he &
      @AGPamBondi

      @JohnRatcliffe

      @elonmusk

      @realannapaulina
      are preventing this.

      We urgently need disclosure!

      Again. Take no action. They are protecting the citizens.

    2. Commenter_XY   3 months ago

      Could you believe that fucking chatroom? This is what my tax dollars go to pay for? Utter madness.

    3. Truthfulness   3 months ago

      Jewfree is probably too busy jerking off at NYC's antisemitic action against certain schools despite not providing any evidence of their accusations.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

        JFree, et al. are from Massachusetts?

        From ‘The Daily Caller’:

        The Massachusetts Teachers Association (MTA) has been promoting the use of anti-Israel teaching materials that includes phrases such as “Zionist bullies” in workbooks for students…

        “Some of the materials provided to educators included Palestinian ‘activist’ guides and a children’s book that says ‘a group of bullies called Zionists wanted our land so they stole it by force and hurt many people’ and ‘children like me keep having their homes taken by Zionist bullies.'”

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

          ""that includes phrases such as “Zionist bullies” in workbooks for students…"'

          Safe spaces are so passe.

    4. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

      Chatroom?!

      Who cares about the chatroom. I want to know more about the time machine they have to access chatrooms.

      1. Jefferson Paul   3 months ago

        I'm confused. Are you suggesting that a government chatroom isn't recorded and the history of what's written in it can't be accessed at a later time?

        Or are you skeptical that the new auditors reached 88 mph in order to go back in time?

        1. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

          No, I'm skeptical because these modern Chinese flux capacitors are garbage. If you get lucky enough to get one that doesn't melt down as soon as you add the plutonium rods, you'd still need a miracle to get back to yesterday, let alone to the days of dial-up.

          1. Jefferson Paul   3 months ago

            If the Chinese flux capacitor melts down after taking you to the past, you can always kidnap George Carlin and find a phone booth, while playing 80s metal, to return home to the present.

            1. Quicktown Brix   3 months ago

              Excellent!! Now I can risk going back to warn myself to not post this dumb comment before it was too late.

              1. Jefferson Paul   3 months ago

                Excellent!!

                But will it be an Excellent Adventure or a Bogus Journey back?

  3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    Poor Eric.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/02/apple-will-invest-500-billion-add-20k-jobs-amid-tariffs-on-china/

  4. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    Renamed voting group found paying for votes a few years ago once again found paying for votes.

    https://x.com/DanODonnellShow/status/1893698428804202741

    2023 story.

    https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2023-02-27-liberal-group-running-massive-election-bribery-scheme-in-supreme-court-race/

    1. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/5-tampered-with-absentee-ballots-in-connecticut-s-largest-city-authorities-say/ar-AA1zxN78

      5 tampered with absentee ballots in Connecticut's largest city, authorities say

      Five people including prominent Democratic political operatives in Connecticut's largest city were arrested Friday on allegations of absentee ballot tampering during a 2023 local election, including accusations that led to a court-ordered rerun of a mayoral election and helped fuel skepticism about voting security in the U.S.

      Among those arrested were Bridgeport Democratic Town Committee Vice Chairperson Wanda Geter-Pataky, and Bridgeport Democratic City Council Members Alfredo Castillo, Maria Pereira and Jazmarie Melendez, according to the chief state's attorney's office.

      Geter-Pataky and Castillo were previously charged with similar absentee ballot crimes connected to the 2019 election.

      Ganim was first elected mayor in 1991 and served 12 years in the post before quitting when he was caught accepting bribes and kickbacks. Convicted of racketeering, extortion and other crimes, he spent seven years in prison but then won his old job back in 2015. He was reelected again in 2019 and 2023.

  5. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    Despite the leftist media narratives, DOGE is proving popular.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/harvard-poll-undercuts-dem-narratives-shows-doge-widely-popular

  6. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

    Jeffy, Tony, and the other assholes aren’t gonna like this. Full text from X of Liz’s post above:

    https://x.com/lizwolfereason/status/1894362969984610587?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

    This is the scandal @billmaher was referencing. Our taxpayer $$$ were used to pay for this. Then the findings were suppressed by the doctors who performed the study because they didn't want people like Maher (or me, or more than half the American public) to "weaponize" results.

    $9.7 million of our dollars were used to pay for a puberty blocker study which we're not allowed to know the results of (since it contradicts the far-left's argument). I don't know how this isn't a much bigger scandal.

    What exactly is medical research for if the results only get released if they support a specific ideological agenda? And why would American taxpayers be okay with this?

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

      Thus far, every study that's performed using actual scientific rather than political methods inevitably comes to the same conclusion--that the claims made by the queer cult about transing kids, and a lot of adults for that matter, not only don't provide the benefits or results that the queer cult claims they do, in many cases it results in actual significant physiological damage up to and including increased cancer risk. Even the politicized ones have to acknowledge it, which is why they bury that information at the back of the study because it contradicts the political activist narrative they're pushing.

      It's all to groom more people into the marxist vanguard, via relentless self-mortification and cultural subversion, as opposed to the reality that this is actually only an issue for an extremely tiny percentage of people who suffer from a very severe mental illness of gender dysphoria where they literally can't look at themselves in the mirror. It's certainly not about the pornsick incel wierdos who think they need to cut their dick off and become a woman because it's the only way they'll get laid.

      1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

        So basically it looks like the whole trans and queer identity movement and the alphabet sex cult globally, was created by the CIA through USAID. It was never organic.

        1. mad.casual   3 months ago

          No, no, no. I'm sure the CIA didn't start that until right after Stonewall, or maybe even Obergefell. The LGB part of the movement was organic until the CIA took it over and added the TQIA+ or the CIA created the TQIA+ right alongside the LGB movement to infiltrate the movement. Either way, you can be sure that the Deep State and homosexuals in charge of The Lavender Scare and Operation Mockingbird didn't start trying to influence public opinion until *after* the Second Bush Administration.

          1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

            You're right. That's why I said the trans, queer identity movement and alphabet sex cult. Those have nothing nothing to do with girls falling in love with girls, and boys wanting boys no matter how often they purport to.

            1. mad.casual   3 months ago

              That's why I said the trans, queer identity movement and alphabet sex cult. Those have nothing nothing to do with girls falling in love with girls, and boys wanting boys no matter how often they purport to.

              This is a distinction I don't exactly draw. There is/was no cis het marriage movement with a + for harems or philandering French and Italian people. Obviously, individual people being gay isn't a CIA op, but the idea that *just* started at some point in history and/or that the LGB part of the movement is legit from the TQIA+ part of the movement is utter horseshit.

              Even all the way back at Oscar Wilde and before it's "I'm the real victim here!" vs. "Of being accused of factually being a homosexual?"

            2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

              I'll be honest, I don't believe in heterosexuals and homosexuals. There's preferences to varying degrees more heavily weighted to male/female coupling because pregnancy is the original reason for it.
              People when they want to are capable of fucking almost anything. If you prefer boys that's not your identity. It just means you are primarily attracted to boys. You're not different on a fundamental level from anyone else.

              This was also the way humanity saw it until the sixties. As a compelling sexual behavior rather than a different sort of human being entirely.

          2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

            Also, I'm convinced that Westburo Baptist was an op now. Why the hell would a truly anti-gay group protest police and military funerals instead of bathhouses and pride parades?
            Why the hell would a civil rights lawyer start that "church" to begin with? His son was an Al Gore rep for the electoral college, FFS. And then all of a sudden they're this little anti-gay group.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

              Of course it was an glowop. This is a "church" that had no congregation or chapel, led by a guy who was a Democrat for years, that disappeared off the fucking map after gay marriage was legalized.

              1. Stuck in California   3 months ago

                Everyone -- EVERYONE -- in that "church" was a relative or friend of the founder. There were only a few dozen, total.

                Yet, somehow, the media would cover them and amplify them as though they were mainstream, online discourse even then devolved into "You're going to make all of us like Westboro Baptist" etc. I can even remember seeing it referenced in television shows as though it was a mainstream thing.

                Even if the guy was serious, the propaganda machine absorbed, amplified, and utilized him.

                1. A Thinking Mind   3 months ago

                  I’m willing to believe it was serious, but yeah, it was one guy and his followers who were all related to him to some degree. Cults like that continue to exist.

                  The media liked to amplify them because he called them Baptists, even though the Baptist church denounced them. They had no affiliation with any larger baptist community.

      2. mad.casual   3 months ago

        Even at that, there are no studies anywhere proving the complete or absolute inefficacy of electroshock therapy. There are no studies anywhere proving the complete or absolute inefficacy of transorbital lobotomies. There are no studies anywhere proving that sacrificing virgins doesn't change the weather or slake the volcano Gods.

        The issue isn't just with children. The issue is a broad and fundamental rejection of Enlightenment if not all civilization and/or humanity.

    2. Zeb   3 months ago

      Output and raw data from every single bit of government funded research should be in public domain and readily available online.

    3. Mickey Rat   3 months ago

      Good Lord, does Lovett engage in a lot of special pleading after Maher talks about that. Essentially, surely it must work sometimes. Surely, parents are bad sometimes. Meanwhile, you have California passing a law saying that suggesting alternatives to transitioning is tantamount to "conversion therapy" and therefore illegal.

  7. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    How Senator Whitehouse helped direct funds to the NGO his wife profits from.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ethics-watchdog-flags-senator-helping-make-millions-wifes-green-nonprofit

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

      RICO the NGOs.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

        RICO the democrat party.

  8. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    As I wrote last week, "the progress [Musk] has made so far hasn't really been good enough or fast enough to meet his goal [of ideally slashing $2 trillion, or at least $1 trillion].

    It's been a month with judges constantly issuing TROs. It will take more than that and a judicial smackdoen to undo decades of corruption. Many of the findings point to intentional lack of documentation on payments, seemingly an effort to hide corruption.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

      DOGE won't be successful on its own. That's not to say it hasn't or won't have some wins. But It's best weapon is exposing the corruption using the Presidential Bully Pulpit. Keep maximizing the pressure on Congress to follow through. Keep DOGE in the news cycle. Nancy and team won't be able to use the excuse, "the cupboard is bare. There's no more cuts to make".

  9. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

    Here's the timeline: Georgescu won the first round of the election on November 24. The country's Constitutional Court annulled the election on December 6, right before the December 8 runoff.

    EUs liberal politicians bragged about this.

    1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      Yes, more evidence that the EU is now a completely authoritarian state. Time to leave NATO. There’s no point in having a defensive alliance with a bunch of countries that won’t defend themselves and don’t have liberal (classical) values.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

        It's not really a coincidence that the EU's current commissioner was in Stasi Merkel's cabinet.

      2. mad.casual   3 months ago

        liberal (classical) values

        The fact that Trump, Musk, Rogan, etc. openly admit to being Clinton-Era Democrats kinda suggests that, at this point, even Limbaugh-style lib-uh-ruls would be preferrable.

      3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

        It’s pretty much turning into the Soviet Union. But with better branding.

        1. Zeb   3 months ago

          Nah, this is pretty different from that. The USSR took a shitty country of mostly serfs and peasants and quickly made it into a different kind of authoritarian hell hole. The EU has taken a reasonably prosperous and free region and is slowly turning it into an authoritarian hell hole.

  10. Nobartium   3 months ago

    President Donald Trump said tariffs scheduled to hit Canada and Mexico next month were 'on time' and 'moving along very rapidly' following an initial delay, even as a US official cautioned the schedule could be less certain," reports Bloomberg. Trump had previously delayed the imposition of such 25 percent tariffs until March 4.

    This threat will continue until the next election in Canada, and permanently in Mexico. Someday Mexico could be a real country, but not soon.

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

      This threat will continue until the next election in Canada

      This has actually helped Trudeau more than anyone. His party looked like it was going to be wiped from the face of the earth in the upcoming election, but because of this tariff teasing he now has something to run on other than his horrific record.

      He's been posturing everywhere how he's going to fight Trump and save the day for Canadians.

      This is the whole reason why Trudeau is refusing to do anything about Trump's fentanyl and defense spending requests.

      If Trump doesn't want a psychotic left government in his Northern neighbor again for the rest of his term he should stop threatening tariffs or put them on now.
      If he puts them on now Canadians will feel the pinch, and see that Trudeau can do nothing about them. But this teasing is just wrecking things for the opposition parties.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        If Trudeau manages to get reelected, what’s the over/under on the confederation surviving? I strongly suspect Alberta and Saskatchewan will try to bolt.

        1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

          Zero. But not in a good way.

          Canada is the US's largest trading partner by a long shot, and the country and its economy collapsing in on itself isn't something that the US can just shake off like many think.

          Also, the chances of Alberta and Saskatchewan becoming independent are far higher than joining the US.

          1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

            Also, Trudeau has already utterly destroyed Canada's economy. Prolonged Trump tariffs will turn Canada into the late Weimar, but Justin doesn't care. It's what he and the WEF have been aiming for all along so that they can do an Agenda 2030 in Canada.

            1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

              You Canadians should rise up and overthrow your government. Then burn Trudeau and his henchmen at the stake. Perhaps on the steps of parliament.

              1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

                Well, there's legally supposed to be an election sometime in the next few months. That was looking like a complete overthrow of the Liberal government until Trump handed Justin the party's new platform.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

            No clue how plausible this is, but my scenario.

            Alberta and Saskatchewan bolt (independence). They take Manitoba with them as the ties there are stronger west than east. Quebec loses the transfer payments and says tabernak, and leaves as they’ve threatened twice before. This isolates British Columbia which will go it alone, but the main question there is, will the interior choose to go with Vancouver and Vancouver Island, or with Alberta? I suspect the latter. The territories will be isolated and probably go with Alberta. This leaves the Maritimes and Newfoundland Labrador to make a decision. They can’t survive as an independent country, nor are they attached to Ontario. They would not join Quebec. Do they join the UK or apply for statehood? Ontario would be left alone. I see four independent countries and a big question mark for the east.

            1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

              You're pretty much on the mark.

              I'm not sure about Manitoba, because even though they once fought for Western independence (the North-West Rebellion), the largely native population has been living off the government teat for quite some time.

              I think that the original Canada; Ontario and the Maritimes, minus Quebec, would stay together. Newfoundland was it's own independent country until the late 1940's so they would probably leave too.

              I can't see any joining the US in the short term. Maybe in the long term as the shine of independence from Ottawa wears off.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

                The issue there is that Newfoundland did have responsible government until 1931 when they gave it back to Westminster. They weren’t making it as an independent country on their own. Westminster gave them what was effectively an ultimatum in 1949 to join Canada.

                1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

                  If they would have pulled a Switzerland but for North America it could have worked.

  11. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

    Why JeffTony is raging:

    Stonewall, UK's Largest Trans Rights Organization, Turned Out to Be a USAID Front

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

      Yeah, I saw that one. Is everything a fucking psyop, and nothing real!?!

      1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        Pretty much. If it doesn’t make sense as a real movement on the surface, we’re probably paying for it.

      2. mad.casual   3 months ago

        Personally, I'm more surprised to discover that all the "You know your favorite gangster rapper sags their pants because they're secretly gay?" conjecture/conspiracy theories were true.

        Like all the "Live fast, die young, leave a good-looking corpse." rock/metal artists suddenly turning "Stay indoors, call your granny, and get your shots." in 2020.

        1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

          Tbf, most of the talented "Live fast, die young, leave a good-looking corpse." rock artists are actually dead, and most of what constitutes the “true” metal scene didn’t go along with the 2020 authoritarianism. See: Phil Labonte being a co-host on Timcast.

          Then there’s Rage, and I don’t know wtf happened there.

          1. Jefferson Paul   3 months ago

            I just wish Phil were a better speaker. Sometimes it's like pulling teeth to wait for him to finish a coherent thought. But he's mostly based.

            I'm a metalhead, but not a fan of All That Remains and their style of metal. I'm more of a power metal and thrash metal fan. I really hope that former J-6er, Jon Schaffer, resurrects Iced Earth (one of my all time favorite bands) and puts out new music. But he's been abandoned by the metal community for "taking part in the greatest assault on democracy ever, the insurrection at the Capitol." Even his closest friend, Hansi Kursch of Blind Guardian, who comprised with Schaffer the side project Demons and Wizards (fantastic metal band), condemned Schaffer after J-6. I was so disappointed by that, and the fact there won't be another D&W album, and that I'll never see them live now.

            1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              Agreed with Phil’s speaking, he could pick up the pace but I like what he has to say. It was particularly painful when Tim was out and he was the primary host.

              Only somewhat familiar with Schaffer and his story, but yeah that sucks. Ironically it was Phil that mentioned him in support that made me aware.

          2. tracerv   3 months ago

            Rage was always a bunch of posers Rmac. Morello plays incredible hooks (credit where due) but they were always a sham.

            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 months ago

              Yup. RATM sucks. Always has.

            2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              I thought Evil Empire was great, but obviously subjective. But that album was very much against the state and the MIC. Now Morello is a straight up boot licker authoritarian. He’s basically Howard Stern.

              You don’t have to like their early stuff to see the difference with what they turned into.

      3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   3 months ago

        That’s why the democrats are freaking. Our tax dollars are fueling so much of the neo Marxist’s ‘activism’ here and abroad. This is a serious blow to them.

    2. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

      They actually call it "Stonewall" after the US gay riots in Greenwich Village? A UK organization uses a US name?

      No pride in anything of their own? No gay UK pride to name it after?

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

        With American money comes an American name.

  12. Yuno Hoo   3 months ago

    We all have the luxury of, at present, being insulated from our coming debt crisis, so what incentive do people have to support government auditing efforts?

    Huh? How about "We all are being insulated from our coming debt crisis, which is a great incentive for people to support government auditing efforts."?

    Other than that, please keep up the good work, Liz!

  13. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

    A thread:

    I've said it again, I'll say it again. Taxpayer-funded NGOs function as a parallel government.

    Even worse, many sitting members of Congress are directly involved in them. They see themselves as the real government, prioritizing debates with other bureaucrats on the global stage over serving the people they represent.

    This is why critical issues like healthcare, education, and help for Helene victims are consistently neglected.

    Everything the Democrats would like to pass in Congress, but know they couldn't, just gets done by an NGO.

    A shadow government that 1) is not beholden to direct scrutiny and thus can fund incredibly evil / unconstitutional things including terrorist organizations and 2) benefits the people allocating the funding - with awards, board seats, speaking fees, and sometimes even direct kickbacks

  14. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

    Let me summon JeffTony:

    EXCLUSIVE: @GrossmanHannah and I have obtained logs from the NSA’s secret transgender sex chatroom, in which NSA, CIA, and DIA employees discuss genital castration, artificial vaginas, piss fetishes, sex polycules, and gangbangs—all on government time. This is insane.

    The NSA maintains a chat system for the "intelligence community" called Intelink. The servers are supposed to be used for government work, but gender activists have hijacked at least two channels—LBTQA and IC_Pride_TWG—to discuss fetishes, kink, and sex, all legitimized as "DEI."

    One popular chat topic was male-to-female transgender surgery, which involves surgically removing the penis and turning it into an artificial vagina. These male intelligence agents would love the feeling of penetration and of peeing with their pseudo-vaginas.

    These trans employees discuss hair removal, estrogen treatments, and breast implants. "Getting my butthole zapped by a laser was . . . shocking," said one trans-identifying DIA official. "Medical science is gonna give me tits one way or another," said a Navy intel employee.

    One NSA official claims to use "it/its" pronouns, meaning that this person does not identify as a human, but rather, feels like a sexless, genderless thing. Other intel employees defend the usage of "it/itself" pronouns, claiming that not using them amounts to trans "erasure."

    Intel employees used the chatroom to discuss "ethical non-monogamy," or "polyamory." Many claimed to be part of sprawling sexual networks and have a rich slang vocabulary about their sex lives. "Some of our friends are practically poly-mers, with all the connected compounds."

    https://www.city-journal.org/article/national-security-agency-internal-chatroom-transgender-surgeries-polyamory

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

      The NSA maintains a chat system for the "intelligence community" called Intelink. The servers are supposed to be used for government work, but gender activists have hijacked at least two channels—LBTQA and IC_Pride_TWG—to discuss fetishes, kink, and sex, all legitimized as "DEI."

      If this sounds like the same sort of institutional capture by trannies that took place at internet sites like Something Awful and Reddit, or on various other internet chat forums, it's because it is.

      Gatekeeping works, kids.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

      The Bobs should be sent in to fire 99+% of those workers.

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

      Clarence Thomas is owed an apology or Senate hearings for these employees.

    4. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

      Did they discuss where to get "good" pizza?

  15. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

    Maybe the JeffSarc complete can explain to us how a lieutenant general is unqualified.

    Low IQ reporter: "Why did you select an underqualified retired lieutenant general to be the next Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff?"

    Pete Hegseth: "I'm going to choose to reject your unqualified question. Who's next?"

    MIC DROP

    1. mad.casual   3 months ago

      That wasn't a mic drop, he spiked it off the guy's forehead.

    2. sarcasmic   3 months ago

      I have a better idea. How's about you just put words in my mouth like you always do and then argue against what you made up. No need for me to be involved since the entire argument exists only in your head.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        Here’s a better idea, Sarc, stop being so fucking retarded and admit you’re a Democrat instead of a libertarian.

      2. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

        Because you never respond to actual questions. You make shit up, you misinterpret, you repeat the same stupid mantra that you don't want to waste time responding.

        Why do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

        I even offered a safe word, BANANAS, and promised to reply with an honest answer if you asked an honest question. You did, once, and I replied. The next time I used the safe word, you sneered at it as dishonest.

        I repeat: why do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

      3. Marshal   3 months ago

        sarcasmic
        I have a better idea. How's about you just put words in my mouth

        Why? You have no problem putting words in their mouths. Why do you have different standards for them than you do for yourself?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

          If Sarc didn’t have double standards, he’d have no standards at all.

          1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

            He thinks it's very virtuous because he has twice as many standards as less principled people.

      4. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        Awe, poor sarc.

    3. Commenter_XY   3 months ago

      We need more of that. I am all for a free press, but let's try to be somewhat respectful. The SecDef was there, with foreign partners, and that asshole reporter tries to be cute.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

        Not sure I agree, but they should do it while a D is POTUS also.

        1. mad.casual   3 months ago

          Still the phrase "Too clever by half." comes to mind.

        2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

          Is a lieutenant general not qualified for that position? What are the qualifications?

          1. Marshal   3 months ago

            The only qualification any left winger cares about is political reliability. Will you change your opinions to match whatever their new goal is? For example will you claim both that (1) women and men are exactly the same and therefore anyone who claims men can do something better than women is a bigot unsuited for command and (2) women have more emotional intelligence and can read maps better than men and thus are more suited to command?

          2. Stuck in California   3 months ago

            As a general rule the Chairman of the JCOS would have held certain types of commands or been the Vice Chairman at some point. However, the President is allowed to forgo those rules if necessary.

            The guy wasn't on active duty and hadn't been on track to become Vice Chair or Chair of the JCOS. That's unusual. But he has the stars, has an excellent track record, and he is "qualified". The "reporter" is just trying to push a political talking point.

            here's the precise wording:

            (b) Requirement for Appointment.—
            (1) The President may appoint an officer as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff only if the officer has served as—
            (A) the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff;
            (B) the Chief of Staff of the Army, the Chief of Naval Operations, the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, the Commandant of the Marine Corps, or the Chief of Space Operations; or
            (C) the commander of a unified or specified combatant command.
            (2) The President may waive paragraph (1) in the case of an officer if the President determines such action is necessary in the national interest.

            1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              Thanks, was too busy today to look it up.

              So basically he’s qualified because the President determined he is. Imagine that, the Constitution giving the ultimate say in matters of the executive branch to the president.

  16. mad.casual   3 months ago

    I don't comment directly on regulation much but I would like to flag an emerging regulatory battle that is happening in D.C.
    ...
    The net effect of a continued hostile regulatory stance towards stablecoins will only be to regulate ourselves out of the picture like Europe with AI.

    The future of stablecoins can be U.S. dollar based only if we allow a broader competitive set of stablecoin issuers to flourish and deny gatekeeping/gaslighting by those interested in regulatory capture

    This assumes the gate swings both ways and that both sides are relatively interchangeable. I could make a case that from a stability, authoritarian, and globalist perspective stablecoin is the worse option (technically, this is the issue itself) but the idea that US 'players' doing it 'at the expense of US interests' sounds, at best, like a tin pot dictator trying to tell people how to buy and sell their currencies globally and, at worst, like driving at some sort of approved or ideal, but hilariously oxymoronic, global (crypto) currency hegemony.

  17. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

    Not my idea but someone suggested DOGE should be renamed Federal Agency for Financial Oversight.

    1. Yuno Hoo   3 months ago

      Ha! Better than "Federal Oversight and Auditing Department"...

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        Federal Auditing Financial Oversight.

    2. mad.casual   3 months ago

      I must say, Good Liz's choice of a Pro-"Gover*ment" protester as the feature pic for the article feels like a nice throwback.

      1. Jefferson Paul   3 months ago

        Shouldn't spelling "government" wrong when you've worked for the government your whole life be one of the things that get you fired?

        I don't know, maybe he's a janitor and it would have no effect on his job. But if he still can't spell it right, to the point that he makes a poster spelling it wrong, but is too lazy to just create a new one, doesn't that encompass some of the problems with worthless bureaucrats?

        1. mad.casual   3 months ago

          I can only assume the back of the poster says something to the effect of:
          Destruction
          Of
          Goverment by
          Ellen Musk
          Hell Now!!!

  18. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

    Quickly becoming one of the most important accounts on X, IMHO. She’s been the one tracking the NGOs and their connections to politicians. She’s also got a database of those small ActBlue and WinRed donations going.

    https://x.com/datarepublican/status/1894225622547009875?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

    Yes. The global push for open borders serves a dual purpose: securing a permanent subject class that ensures the continued dominance of NGOs and entrenching the Democratic Party as a one-party system. However, the International Republican Institute also played a role in funding it.

    Why would establishment Republicans support this? Simple. They don’t need to stay in office to benefit. As long as they vote the right way and say the right things, they secure lucrative post-political careers with these NGOs, often earning far more than they did in public service. I've lost count of former Republican officials now working for NGOs with vague names containing words like “Security” or “Democracy.”

    Mass migration is self-sustaining. It cultivates a dependent class that remains loyal to the NGOs, ensuring a perpetual cycle where these organizations manufacture crises only they can “solve.” Meanwhile, the public’s focus is diverted from pressing domestic issues such as education and healthcare, further solidifying the NGOs’ grip on power.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

      I suspect most of the tantrums being thrown by the goldbrickers at r/FedNews are based off of the fact that they don't really have an answer for Fully Weaponized Autism and how it relentlessly documents everything when it's got a task to focus on.

    2. Marshal   3 months ago

      An illegal immigrant underclass is also necessary to sustain their class warfare model. A big part of the left's propaganda campaign is that median or quintile wages are stagnant. But this is in large part a statistical sleight of hand because the new lowest quintile has mass numbers of unskilled laborers without comparison in the prior datasets. Without this constant inflow of specifically productive people their numbers don't work.

      1. Zeb   3 months ago

        They also like to ignore the fact that people don't, in general, stay in the same income quintile for their whole lives.

        1. Stuck in California   3 months ago

          That's the point of Illegal immigrant labor. They're a permanent underclass, not likely to move to a higher quintile, often keeping quiet about abuses so they don't get reported to immigration. Now fast food or construction labor isn't an "entry" job, it's where I guy works for cash or minimum wage forever. Keeps those numbers nice and skewed when you have 20 million illegal workers in the mix.

          Similar to when H1Bs are hired to do shit like IT work or regular programming. But that's a different complaint.

  19. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

    DOGE for the win. Keep our spending problem front and center, force the country to meet it head on.

    Never Give a Inch.

  20. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

    So when you see jeffsarc talk about democracy here…

    https://x.com/datarepublican/status/1894228536115827018?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

    "Democracy" is their dog whistle. Whenever you hear that word used in a way that doesn’t quite fit—such as claims that Trump is a "threat to democracy"—mentally replace it with "NGOs."

    The message will suddenly make a lot more sense.

    1. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

      Someone used AI to take a bunch of clips of talking heads riffing on that phrase and replaced "democracy" with "bureaucracy". It did a pretty darned good job and it's funnier than heck.

      https://x.com/Banned_Bill/status/1853842945767592429

      The NGO trick works even better with "bureaucracy" since it encompasses the government too.

  21. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

    "President Donald Trump said tariffs scheduled to hit Canada and Mexico

    Fuck you. No Taxation without Representation!

  22. Moderation4ever   3 months ago

    The problem with DOGE is that one person waste is that often another's necessary spending. Another problem with waste is that it is often the result of duplication. Rather than a wall of receipts how about a simple list of funds that are spent for duplicate efforts. My problem with DOGE is not the idea but rather that it seems more interested in sound bites than saving money.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

      So paying an NGO that sends 80% of its money to board members in DC and a mere 5% to its goal, that being trannie dancing for little boys in Buttfuck, Fuckaitallistan, is a good use of money to you?

      1. Zeb   3 months ago

        It's good for those board members. Which is why "another's necessary spending" is not something that should be considered in judging the spending. Is it a necessary and constitutional government function is the only relevant question.

    2. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

      How about the people who care DONATE their own damned money instead of reaching inside my pocket for MY money?

      1. Moderation4ever   3 months ago

        Works for me. How about we all get to direct what agencies of the government get our tax money.

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   3 months ago

          How about fuck no and you send it to whatever private organization you want and we leave government out of it altogether?

          What is this fetish you statists have for making the government part of everything everyone does? What does government bring to the table that private organizations don't, or you don't yourself?

          Oh, right: coercion and collectivism.

          1. Moderation4ever   3 months ago

            What private agency do you recommend for defense? Are we replacing ICE with a private agency? Or police and prisons? What about courts, should we privatize them? I haven't argued for government being part of everything but I do recognize that some level of government is necessary. We have the government we have now because that what people wanted. To effective cut back we have to get people to agree to a new level.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

              How the fuck did you jump from funding NGOs to deleting actual government agencies?

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

              What private agency do you recommend for defense?

              Are you really trying to argue that the DoD doesn't already outsource some of its functions to private industry?

            3. rbike   3 months ago

              I have quite a few defensive weapons myself. No Russkies or Chinamen illegally invading my state.

              Or even Canadians.

        2. Truthfulness   3 months ago

          DOGE is at it. Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good.

        3. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

          Socialized charity isn’t moderate.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

            Charity at the end of a gun is NOT a good idea.

          2. Moderation4ever   3 months ago

            If we socialize the losses of the wealthiest why should we not socialize to help the poorest?

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

              Because we clearly can't afford either, you lefty bitch.

            2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              We shouldn’t socialize the losses of anyone retard.

            3. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

              So stop socializing the losses of the wealthiest! OTOH, being wealthy should not be PUNISHED, either.

    3. Quo Usque Tandem   3 months ago

      Taxpayers money so taxpayers should decide what is "necessary" and what is "waste." It's not subject to some vague subjective notion based on who benefits from it.

      Get better talking points 50 center.

      1. Moderation4ever   3 months ago

        I am fine with taxpayers deciding and not Elon Musk.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

          Taxpayers voted for this.

          1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 months ago

            Exactly this

        2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

          The taxpayers decided in November. Trump campaigned on this with Elon at his side.

        3. rbike   3 months ago

          Damn, should not have replied to a retard.

    4. Marshal   3 months ago

      My problem with DOGE is not the idea but rather that it seems more interested in sound bites than saving money.

      Nobody believes this. The tactic for left wingers pretending to be liberals/centrists is to always advance the least offensive objection to the right. But if they really objected for these reasons as the original objections are overcome the person's conclusion would change. So the way to distinguish someone sincere vs a propagandist is whether they respond to this by changing their conclusion or by announcing a new objection. Someone who never changes is not being honest.

      The classic tactic was on racism. Leftists used to claim they only supported equal treatment. When achieved they claimed they only supported affirmative action. When achieved they claimed they only wanted race preferences. When achieved they claimed they only wanted CRT. If they achieve that they will support reparations. If they achieve that they will support more reparations.

      There's always another step to take. That's why it's a mistake to compromise. Every compromise takes you away from the most defensible position, in this case treating everyone the same. That's the role of propagandists, to convince you to give in just that little bit. But as a result you empower them and impoverish yourself making it easier for them to defeat you when they immediately attack you on the next issue.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

        The cry for reparations is well underway.

      2. Quo Usque Tandem   3 months ago

        "There's always another step to take."

        The essence of progressivism. There is not end goal, only an objective from which to pursue further goals.

      3. Jefferson Paul   3 months ago

        Since Ayn Ran was the subject of an article yesterday, I'll mention one of her essays she wrote about compromise. If you and another agree on the premises, attempting to compromise can be fine. If, however, you don't agree on basic principles, compromise is impossible and attempts at it harmful.

        If you both agree with property rights, you, the buyer, and the baker, the seller, can compromise on the price of a loaf of bread. If you believe the baker is an evil kulak who is just extracting wealth immorally from society, and deserves to be paid nothing when you take his bread by force, compromise will only embolden you, the communist, in this example.

        Now apply that to the DEI and CRT crowd. If you are a straight, white man, you are tainted by everything bad ascribed to white men. Trying to compromise and partially enact some of CRT and DEI will only lead to your demise. No matter how many times you say, "I'm not racist," you only prove how racist you are to the DEI crowd. Giving an inch here means, in time, you'll be ceding miles.

      4. Its_Not_Inevitable   3 months ago

        It's always more. You'll never hear them say: "Welp, that's it, we got enough. Problem solved. We don't need anything else. Thanks!"

    5. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      Parody.

  23. Yuno Hoo   3 months ago

    filling out paperwork takes roughly 11.9 billion hours per year .... The average US hourly wage is $36/hour, so ... government spending is underestimated by $391bn (the good news, if you're worried about the deficit, is that this spending is 100% financed by a time-denominated tax.

    Would someone *kindly* explain this "100% financed" assertion? And has anyone received payment for filling out government paperwork? (I mean, other than government employees?)

    1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   3 months ago

      It means that the cost is placed upon the people who have to fill out the paperwork, precisely because nobody is being paid with federal dollars to do it.

      i.e.: It's a cost to the economy, but it's not part of "the deficit" or even "the budget".

      1. Yuno Hoo   3 months ago

        Thanks!

    2. Marshal   3 months ago

      Government doesn't fill out this paperwork, they force businesses to hire people to fill it out.

    3. Zeb   3 months ago

      Calling it spending is confusing and not accurate. It is a cost of/imposed by government. It's not spending any more than tax cuts are spending.

  24. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   3 months ago

    "Călin Georgescu, the far-right populist"

    Liz, I went over this yeaterday. Just because the msm calls someone far right doesn't make it true. Not agreeing with the globalist fags that the west exists solely for the purpose of being raided and destroyed by animals does not make you far right

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   3 months ago

      Your far right brethren must embarrass you.

      1. Michael Ejercito   3 months ago

        Define far right.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   3 months ago

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics?wprov=sfti1#

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

            Really, you’re using Wiki as a source? Are you seriously retarded or something?

            1. damikesc   3 months ago

              It is SPB. Do you need to ask?

          2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

            turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          3. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

            No, that's how some progs who hijacked the wiki page define far-right. What's YOUR definition, Shrike?

      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

        turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      3. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        Only because you’re a far left neocon interventionist who fucks kids.

      4. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

        You were banned for posting a link to child porn.

  25. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   3 months ago

    DOGE cuts= $15 billion? $55 billion?

    Not impressed. A decent start though.

    Remember this Peanuts. Donnie still owes us $3 trillion from that shitty first term.

    #CutSpending

    1. sarcasmic   3 months ago

      The cuts look big until you realize that the federal government spends around $16,900,000,000 per day.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

        Oh yes, Sarc, why bother making any cuts at all then, right, dingbat?

      2. Chupacabra   3 months ago

        If they're that insignificant, why are here every day crying about them?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

          Because Sarcasmic is an attention whore.

        2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

          His fuck you cut spending was always a lie. He's a Democrat pretending to be libertarian.

        3. Jefferson Paul   3 months ago

          Schrodinger's DOGE:

          DOGE is simultaneously aggressively cutting important spending that is necessary to a functioning government AS WELL AS acting as an ineffective, show-boating waste as it has only cut a few billion from a multi-trillion budget. Depending on the direction of the argument against DOGE, either description is correct if it shits on Trump or Elon.

      3. Marshal   3 months ago

        Sarc supports whatever objection will help stop reducing government spending. Whoever could have guessed?

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

      Why would Donnie owe what a democrat congress passed?

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   3 months ago

        McConnell and Donnie controlled 2/3 of the legislative power.

        Don’t pretend otherwise.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

          Last I saw, the Dems controlled the Senate since 2019.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   3 months ago

            Wrong. Dems took the Senate in 2021 when Donnie finger-fucked the two GOP Georgia Senate candidates and it went 50/50.

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   3 months ago

              Remember when you told us about your 700k account?

            2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

              turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

          turd, the TDS-addles ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        3. sarcasmic   3 months ago

          Trump publicly shamed the Republicans who did not support the bill.

        4. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

          House controls the purse. Don't pretend otherwise.

      2. sarcasmic   3 months ago

        Maybe because he enthusiastically signed the legislation saying it was better than sliced bread?

        Here's his remarks after signing the massive spending bill. Doesn't look to me like he was coerced at all.

        THE PRESIDENT: Well, thank you all very much. This is a very important day. I’ll sign the single-biggest economic relief package in American history and, I must say, or any other package, by the way. It’s twice as large as any relief ever signed. It’s $2.2 billion, but it actually goes up to 6.2 — potentially — billion dollars — trillion dollars. So you’re talking about 6.2 trillion-dollar bill. Nothing like that. And this will deliver urgently needed relief to our nation’s families, workers, and businesses. And that’s what this is all about.

        And it got a 96 to nothing. And, I don’t know, what was the number in Congress?

        PARTICIPANT: A voice vote.

        THE PRESIDENT: A voice? It was fantastic.

        PARTICIPANT: I think it was just as close.

        THE PRESIDENT: That’s pretty amazing. That’s about the same thing. Right, Kevin?

        LEADER MCCARTHY: Yes.

        THE PRESIDENT: So, that’s fantastic. But I want to thank Republicans and Democrats for coming together, setting aside their differences, and putting America first.

        This legislation provides for direct payments to individuals and unprecedented support to small businesses. We’re going to keep our small businesses strong and our big businesses strong. And that’s keeping our country strong and our jobs strong.

        This historic bill includes the following:

        $300 billion in direct cash payments will be available to every American citizen earning less than $99,000 per year; $3,400 for a typical family of four. So a family of four: $3,400.
        And then $350 billion in job retention loans for small businesses, with loan forgiveness available for businesses that continue paying their workers. The workers get paid.
        Approximately $250 billion in expanded unemployment benefits. The average worker who has lost his or her job will receive 100 percent of their salary for up to four full months.
        So, things like this have never happened in our country.

        $500 billion in support for hard-hit industries, with a ban on corporate stock buybacks — we don’t let them buy back the stock; we don’t let that happen — and tough limits on executive compensation.
        Over $100 billion to support our heroic doctors, nurses, and hospitals. And you see what’s happening. And I want to thank, while we’re here, also the incredible job that’s done by the Army Corps of Engineers and by FEMA. It’s been incredible. They did four hospitals in two days or three days, in New York. And they’re, like, incredible structures. What a job they’ve been doing. And they’re doing them all over the country.
        $45 billion for the Disaster Relief Fund, supporting our state, local, and tribal leaders.
        $27 billion for the development of vaccines, therapies, and other public health response efforts, including $16 billion to build up the Strategic National Stockpile with critical stockpiles. And I’m going to — we have tremendous supplies coming into the stockpile, and you’ll be seeing that and hearing about it in a little bit because we’re doing a news conference at 5:30 on what’s happening.
        We’ve had tremendous results on the respirators. We’ve had great results on just about everything we’re talking about. Boeing just announced that they’re going to be making the plastic field shields — the actual shields, which are hard to come by, and they’re going to be making them by the thousands a week.

        And the ventilators, which is probably the most difficult because it’s like — it’s like building a car — we will be announcing thousands of — are going to be built and we have them under contract and we have fast deliveries. As you know, we delivered thousands to New York. And unfortunately — they were delivered to a warehouse, which was good — unfortunately, they didn’t take them, but now they’re taking them. New York is now taking them and redistributing them around the areas that they need.

        So you have also $3.5 billion to states to expand childcare benefits for healthcare workers, first responders, and others on the frontlines of this crisis, and $1 billion for securing supplies under the Defense Protection Act. And, as you know, I’ve enacted the act. We’ve used it three or four times. I pulled it back three times because the companies came through, in the end. They didn’t need the act. It’s been great leverage.

        I have instituted it against General Electric. We thought we had a deal for 40,000 ventilators and, all of the sudden, the 40,000 came down to 6,000. And then they talked about a higher price than we were discussing, so I didn’t like it. So we did — we did activate it, with respect to General Motors. And hopefully, maybe we won’t even need the full activation. We’ll find out. But we need the ventilators.

        I said hello today — I called him — a wonderful guy, Boris Johnson. As you know, he tested positive. And before he even said hello, he said, “We need ventilators.” I said, “Wow. That’s a big statement.” And hopefully, he’s going to be in good shape.

        I just spoke to Angela Merkel, and she’s quarantined also. She is right now, for a period of two weeks, being forced to stay in her house. So this is just an incredible situation.

        Last night, I spoke to President Xi. We talked about the experience that they had in China and all of the things that have taken place. And we learned a lot. They’ve had a very tough experience, and they’re doing well and he’s doing well. President Xi is doing very well. But we learned a lot and we have great communication together.

        We’re going to be sent great data from China — things that happened that they see that — you know, they’ve had a — they’ve had an early experience, and we’re getting all of that information. Much of it has already been sent. It was sent yesterday and sent to our scientists to study. So we’ll have more on that also. We’ll be discussing that at 5:30.

        I just want to thank the people behind me. They’ve been incredible friends. They’ve been warriors. They — there’s nobody tougher or smarter than the people standing alongside of me. And I think I want to start off by asking Mitch and then Kevin to speak, and then we’re going to go through a few of the folks in the room if they’d like to say something.

        But, Mitch, I’d like — I’d love to say a few words because you — this man worked 24 hours a day for a long time. This is the result. It’s the biggest ever — ever approved in Congress: 6.2 bill- — $6.2 trillion. So, you know, we used to get used to the billion. It used to be million, then it was billion, now it’s trillion. And it’s going to go a long way. It’s going to make a lot of people very happy.

        Mitch McConnell, please.

        LEADER MCCONNELL: Thank you, Mr. President. Let me just say this is a proud moment for our country, for the President. The Republicans and the Democrats all pulled together and passed the biggest bill in history in record time.

        I also want to thank Kevin McCarthy and our leaders on the Republican side in the House who helped speed this through to passage. The American people needed this rescue package, they needed it quickly, and we delivered. It’s a proud moment for all of us. Mr. President, thanks for the opportunity to be here.

        THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. I’d love to shake your hand, but Anthony would get angry at me if I did that. (Laughter.) So I better not do it. I can’t — it’s so natural. I just want to go back and shake his hand.

        They’ve done such an incredible job. Kevin, please.

        LEADER MCCARTHY: Yeah, I do want to start. I want to thank all — the real — the real answer to America is: We’re listening to you. You do your part, and we’re going to do ours, and that’s exactly what’s happening today.

        What Leader McConnell did was amazing. He made it bipartisan, bicameral. Everybody was involved. I wish we could have signed this earlier this week; maybe there wouldn’t be as many people who are out of work. But this will put people back to work.

        I also want to thank Secretary Mnuchin. You’ve done an amazing job, and we thank you for that, and all the team that’s here.

        Look, as I said in my speech, the virus is here. We didn’t ask for it. We didn’t invite it. We didn’t choose it. But we are going to defeat it together because we’re going to work together, and this is the first start of it. The hospitals will get money — the money they need. The small businesses will be able to hire their employees back. That is a grant; you don’t have to borrow from that place. The other businesses get a retention to keep your employees on. This has something for everything.

        And to the task force and the Vice President, all the work that you’re doing with this President, this will be the needed resources you need as well. And thank you for that, and thank you for your leadership, Mr. President.

        THE PRESIDENT: Very special.

        Mike Pence? Mike? Could you please say something? You’ve been working very hard, in charge of our task force. And then I’d like to ask Steve to say a few words.

        THE VICE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Mr. President. Thanks for giving me the opportunity just to express all of our appreciation and the gratitude to the American people for the accomplishment that’s reflected in the legislation that you’ll sign in just a few moments.

        You told the American people that we would do whatever it takes. You called on the Congress to step forward to make coronavirus testing free for every American, to make paid family leave available.

        The Congress, with the leaders gathered around us here, stepped forward in a bipartisan fashion and delivered. But today, every American family, every American business, can know that help is on the way.

        And I want to thank Leader McConnell for his yeoman’s work in really forging a bipartisan bill in the United States Senate. I want to thank Leader McCarthy for his great work. But as the President said, I also want to thank the Democrat and Republican leadership across the House and Senate. This is an American accomplishment. And, Mr. President, it’s exactly what you asked the Congress to deliver for the American people.

        THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much, Mike. And Steve Mnuchin, you know how hard he’s been working. And, Steve, please say a few words.

        SECRETARY MNUCHIN: Mr. President, thank you very much for your leadership and for the Vice President’s leadership. You made it very clear to us, last week, we should think big, that this was a war on the virus, and that we should have the resources to protect American workers and American business.

        And I’d like to thank the Senate. It was a great honor, Mitch, to work with you and everyone on a bipartisan basis to get this done. This is going to be a great thing for the American workers. And, Kevin McCarthy, thank you for all the work in the House did to pass this quickly.

        So, at Treasury, as I’ve said, we are committed to move forward quickly, and we’re going to get money in people’s pockets quickly.

        Thank you, Mr. President.

        THE PRESIDENT: Great job, Steve. Gene? Please.

        SECRETARY SCALIA: This is a great day for American workers, protecting American workers, American jobs. It’s been a hallmark of this presidency, and this bill today is another very important step in that direction. It includes unprecedented support for American workers who’ve lost their jobs, through no fault of their own because of this virus, and gives them, as near as we could, the same wage they would have gotten, through unemployment insurance if they’d been able to keep their jobs, for up to four months.

        I think even more important, it includes $350 billion in loans for small business, but it’s structured in a way to incentivize them to keep their workers on payroll so that those loans could be forgiven at the end of the period.
        And it comes on top of legislation the President asked — signed last week for paid leave for workers who have to be at home because of the virus. Paid leave reimbursed in full, dollar for dollar, to the employers. It’s the first federal paid leave law for the private sector ever. And that also was achieved on an unprecedented, bipartisan basis.

        This is the third major bipartisan piece of legislation in three weeks — three bills, three weeks — to address this virus.

        So again, I want to thank the President for his leadership, his commitment to American workers, the Vice President as well, and Leader McConnell, and also my colleague, Secretary Mnuchin who did work so hard to help you get this done.

        THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Gene, very much.

        Dr. Fauci, you may want to just say for a minute what hit the world. Something hit the world, and the world maybe will never be the quite same. But we’re going to make it a great place anyway. But certainly, you could maybe say a few words about it, please.

        DR. FAUCI: Well, thank you, Mr. President. And I want to thank everyone involved in this. This is what America is all about: a bipartisan approach, with your leadership, to do something that’s sorely needed by the American people.

        Dr. Birx and I and all of our medical people here are fighting the virus directly. But the virus has an impact on the American people, both directly by illness and death, but also indirectly, because many of the things that we have to do to suppress the virus has a negative impact because of what we’re doing. To give them relief economically is absolutely essential.

        So I feel really, really good about what’s happening today. Thank you all very much.

        THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Tony. Thank you very much.

        Deborah, perhaps you could say a few words or so about —

        DR. BIRX: Well, thank you, Mr. President. Dr. Fauci covered it very well. As many of you know, I worked for him and he was my mentor 40 years ago.

        I think whenever we start with one of these very serious diseases and a pandemic, the President’s first goal was ensuring the health of the American people, and that’s why we put out these very strong guidance.

        It’s been a pleasure to work with the economic team here because they understand data in the same way. Economic data and health data is very similar in how you have to interpret it in a very granular way. And I think recognizing that the health of the American people is first, but the economic value of the nation is also critical.

        And I just want to thank all of you for what you’ve done for the American people today.

        THE PRESIDENT: Great job you’re doing too. Thank you.

        Kevin, please.

        REPRESENTATIVE BRADY: So just 20 days ago, I don’t know that anyone could have imagined how hard we’ve been hit medically or economically. But 20 days ago, I don’t think anyone could have imagined Congress pulling together so quickly and so forcefully behind what the President identified we needed for this country. This is a proud moment for all of us. And it’s just an example of what leadership can provide here in the White House, and then how we can respond as a Congress.

        So thank you, Mr. President, for your leadership.

        THE PRESIDENT: And I’m just saying, as Kevin is saying that, 20 days ago — a couple of days longer than that, maybe — we had a smooth-running, beautiful machine. We had the greatest economy in the history of our country. We had the highest stock price we’ve ever seen. It went up, I think, 151 times during the course of the presidency. And then we got hit by the invisible enemy, and we got hit hard. But it wasn’t just us, it was 151 countries, I think, as of the — as of this morning.

        And you call Germany and speak to Angela — she’s in quarantine. And as you know, Boris was diagnosed that he’s positive. And all of the things that are happening, it’s hard to believe what’s gone on just in a short period of time.

        And because of the talent behind me and lots of other talent in government, what we’ve done — this is a big part of it, obviously, but not the biggest part. Everybody has pulled together. Our nation has pulled together. The spirit is incredible. The people have pulled together more than anyone and better than anybody. And they’re doing really, really well.

        But just to think how life can change where you go, 20 to 22 days ago, everything is perfect, we’re looking forward. I’m saying, “When are we going to hit 30,000? I want 30,000.” That means more jobs and more everything. And then, one day, we get hit with this thing that nobody ever heard of before. Nobody ever even heard of before. And now we’re fighting a different battle.

        But I really think, in a fairly short period of time, because of what they’ve done and what everyone has done, I really think we’re going to be stronger than ever. And we’ll be protected from a lot of this. A lot of the things, Anthony, that we’ve done now — that we’re doing now — are going to protect us in the future if this should happen again.

        DR. FAUCI: Absolutely.

        THE PRESIDENT: From testing to so many other —

        DR. FAUCI: Vaccines.

        THE PRESIDENT: Even stockpiles. Right?

        DR. FAUCI: And vaccines.

        THE PRESIDENT: Yeah, the vaccines, hopefully. And vaccines, cures, therapeutics — whatever you want to call it — it’s a lot of progress. And I think on that score, I think we’re going to do a lot of progress on vaccines. We’re making, perhaps, a lot of progress on cures and therapeutics. We’ll be letting you know.

        Anybody else have anything? Greg, please. Go ahead, fellas.

        REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN: I would just say, I’ve never seen you shy away from a challenge. Your leadership and your policies and this great team brought America this enormous economy. And guess what? You get to do it again. This bill is the next step in that, and we can build back this economy with your leadership and with the healthcare team you’ve got here too. We’re doing the right thing for the American people, and they know that. I can tell you that from the ground. It’s not easy. It’s not easy.

        THE PRESIDENT: No, it’s not.

        REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN: We don’t want to shelter in place, as Americans. We want to be out, especially northwest.

        THE PRESIDENT: Yeah.

        REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN: But we know we have to do this for the safety of our relatives and families and our community and our country. So thanks for your leadership —

        THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much.

        REPRESENTATIVE WALDEN: — and the great team you’ve assembled.

        THE PRESIDENT: Appreciate it very much.

        REPRESENTATIVE CHABOT: On behalf of small businesses, they’re the backbone of the American economy. About half the people that work in America work for a small business, and they’re hurting out there right now. I’m from Ohio. I’m the ranking member of the House Small Business Committee. And back there, nonessential small businesses are shut down.

        Without this legislation, it’s questionable whether they would reopen. Because of this legislation, they now have a great chance of that. And those people that work for small businesses, who are shuttered now, will be paid. That’s really important. This wouldn’t have passed without your leadership, Mr. President. Thank you.

        THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. And, you know, Eric worked so hard. You all know Eric. And he was at Steve’s side the whole way. And where is our man? Do I see Larry? Yeah, Larry. The two of them. How about Eric and then Larry say a couple of words and (inaudible.)

        MR. UELAND: Well, thank you very much, Mr. President. I really appreciate it, and Mr. Vice President, as well. So you encouraged your team to be bold, be brave, and go big. And we certainly delivered today. (Laughter.) $6.2 trillion is tremendous. So we’ve made sure that we can reassure Americans that their paycheck is protected and that their earnings are protected. We’ve made sure that we can provide significant reinforcement to the American economy as a result of your leadership.

        And, finally, looking ahead to address the virus, we’ve included significant resources in order to ensure that those therapies and ultimately that vaccine can come online as quickly as possible. So, protecting the public health and protecting the economic health of America is what you’ve directed us to do. And together, with the team, we’ve worked hard to deliver today.

        Thank you very much, Mr. President.

        THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. And Steve is going to work very hard on getting the money out quickly, and hopefully it can be distributed very quickly, especially when they have some old computer equipment that they have to use. But you’re going to work on that very hard.

        SECRETARY MNUCHIN: We are indeed.

        THE PRESIDENT: Larry, please. Larry Kudlow.

        MR. KUDLOW: Oh, thanks, sir. Just hats off to Mitch McConnell who did an amazing job, and House leadership as well. And I agree with the bipartisanship. I want to give special thanks to my friend Steven Mnuchin, who I think did an extraordinary job. We were up there helping him out in one spot or another. But he’s indefatigable and got it done.

        And I’ll just say this, Mr. President: A few months ago, this economy was roaring and we’ve hit this — literally, this bug, this virus. And we will deal with it. And I think the assistance bill here, which does have growth incentives, will help lead us back to a very strong economic rebound before this year is over.

        Thank you, sir.

        THE PRESIDENT: I think that too. I think we’re going to have a tremendous rebound at the end of the year — toward the end of the year. I think we’re going to have a rebound like we have never seen before. Even now it wants to rebound. You can see it, feel it. It wants to rebound so badly.

        And, you know, we’ve had those really big — I guess, the biggest-ever stock market surge two days ago. And yesterday, it was great. Three biggest days in the history of the stock market. It wants to rebound so badly, but we have to get rid of the bug, we have to get rid of the virus.

        Now, I’m going to sign this, and it’s a great honor — $6.2 trillion. I’ve never signed anything with a “T” on it. (Laughter.) I don’t know if I can handle this one, Mitch. (Laughter.) We can’t chicken out at this point, can we?. (Laughter.) I don’t think so, huh?

        All right. Thank you all.

        (The CARES Act is signed.)

        THE PRESIDENT: Good. I wanted them to be a nice signature. (Applause.) Come on, fellas. Come on over here. Elaine. What a job she’s doing with transportation. How’s transportation? Okay?

        SECRETARY CHAO: Fine. You always talk about the supply chain.

        THE PRESIDENT: I do.

        SECRETARY CHAO: It’s really important.

        THE PRESIDENT: I do.

        SECRETARY CHAO: This bill is going to help the supply chain and the workers.

        THE PRESIDENT: Anthony? Thank you. Thanks, Tony, very much. Bob Lighthizer, thank you very much. Bob was a little less involved in this. He’s too busy making trade deals.

        Okay? You have one? You definitely have to have one. Go ahead. You’re all set.

        Thank you, everybody. So we’re going to have a 5:30 news conference in the same location. Seems to be doing quite well. And we appreciate everything. And we really appreciate the fairness, at least from most of the press. We really do. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you. Thank you very much.

        Q Mr. President, there was that rare moment of agreement today between you and Senator Kerry over —

        THE PRESIDENT: That’s right.

        Q — this issue with Massie. Can you expand a bit on that?

        THE PRESIDENT: Well, he made a little joke about a man named Congressman Massie. I thought he was totally out of line — Congressman Massie. Because of that, I guess a lot of people had to come back, and they had to go into a place, which, frankly, we’re not supposed to be at, you know, in light of — of what we’re doing with Deborah and Tony and all of the professionals.

        So people had to come back, and just no reason for it. So John Kerry made a little joke out of it, and I agreed with his joke. And I said, I never knew he had that kind of a personality. But we actually put it up, and he was right.

        Okay, we’ll see you in a couple of minutes, folks. Thank you very much.

        END

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

          The old retread. Sarc, too long; you’re retarded; didn’t read.

          1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

            Neither did Sarc.

        2. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

          The house controls the purse.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   3 months ago

            And the Senate and president can reject any House spending bill.

            Donnie and Mitch were all in.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

              So, uh, please tell us all how and why you got your original account permabanned? And you didn’t forget your password, dingbat.

            2. sarcasmic   3 months ago

              Civics is leftist.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

                Cite?

              2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

                Flailing.

              3. Jefferson Paul   3 months ago

                Repeating banal, tired strawmen arguments is sarcasmic.

            3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

              turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

            4. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

              ""Donnie and Mitch were all in.""

              All in on what? The spending bill the house passed?

          2. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

            And the president has to sign a bill before it becomes law. Veto it and whip Rs into not supporting it.

            Don't have your secretary of treasury negotiate a bill, champion it as great and sign it. Don't attack Thomas Massie and threatening a primary for voting no against it.

            And don't team up with Chuck Schumer to overide R opposition to ending the sequestration.

            Trump was terrible the first go around on spending. Here's hoping his 2nd term is marked by significant cuts: off to a bang up start tyough.

            1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              Weird, timestamp is showing this comment after sarc’s below?

              1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

                It means he edited. Changes time stamps.

                1. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

                  Hour different?

            2. Zeb   3 months ago

              Yeah, don't give Trump a pass for that nonsense. He seemed to be enthusiastically for it, not reluctantly accepting that he couldn't stop it. Trump has never been a principled small government guy. I'm somewhat optimistic about this term. But still not expecting much because I don't believe that Trump actually cares about making significant cuts to government.

        3. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

          So Trump's opinion of things trumps legislative actions?

          1. sarcasmic   3 months ago

            It means that you and the rest of his defenders are lying when you claim that the bill was forced on him.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

              It means that Sarc has a raging case of TDS.

            2. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

              ""when you claim that the bill was forced on him.""

              Something I have never claimed.

              Doesn't matter that he signed it. Point being, the house controls the purse.

              1. Zeb   3 months ago

                If he had vetoed it it would give me some reason to believe that he actually cares about reducing spending and is willing to act on that principle. As it is, I'm not convinced of that at all.

            3. TrickyVic (old school)   3 months ago

              Here's one of your own style.

              Trump couldn't have passed it since liberals claim Trump did nothing to help the people during the pandemic.

        4. Super Scary   3 months ago

          I'm not reading all that shit, but I'm happy for you. Or sorry that happened. Whatever applies.

    3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

      turd, the TDS-addles ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    4. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      Turn yourself in for your crimes against children.

  26. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 months ago

    It's a very tough issue—one we're talking about with Matt Taibbi

    It really isn't. Did Russia or their allias stuff the ballot box, or intimidate voters by threat violence? If no, they didn't interfere. Ads on social media, maybe fake bs propaganda but they don't change election results. The citizens can choice to agree or not with those ads and that is their choice to make.

    1. mad.casual   3 months ago

      Not to refute you regarding Russians stuffing the ballot box or threatening violence, but you left out a/the third option that nobody, and they in particular, wants to talk about: Did they knowingly deceive people by, e.g., describing a law that doesn't mention the word 'gay' or 'homosexual' because it doesn't apply to homosexuals as a law discriminating against gay people?

      I agree that I think everything the Russians generally did was above aboard free speech wise but, as indicated, I think such honest looks at fraud and election interference will reveal that our own media and government defrauds the people and ethically, if not criminally and by our own standards, interferes with elections far more than any foreign adversary.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 months ago

        Nobody has interfered in elections more than the US deep state including our own.

        1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   3 months ago

          Really. Given what we found out in the last month, nobody has less right to complain about election interference.

    2. Marshal   3 months ago

      Are we pretending a handful of juvenile meme jokes changed the election even though in reality they were unlikely to influence a single vote like we did in America's Russian Collusion Hoax? Or was this a serious effort?

      I can't tell since no one provides details. If they don't recognize and speak to the difference it's more likely the first.

  27. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

    "Fired federal workers hunt for new jobs but struggle to replace their old ones"
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fired-federal-workers-hunt-new-jobs-struggle-replace-119115851

    Nobody ever lost a job before!

    1. damikesc   3 months ago

      Feds make more than the private market. They're learning that the hardest way possible.

  28. lwt1960   3 months ago

    Talk about clown world..."no money is directly lost by anyone when student loans are zeroed out." Yes, we all lose money as the Fed printing $1T in money to give to universities for tuition, etc. for which the debt is cancelled is an inflationary increase in the money supply/devaluation of the dollar. Somewhere out there are $1T in gov't bonds which have no collateral and no future cash flow from which they will be repaid. That's inflation. This guy obviously doesn't subscribe to the moral imperative of "what if everyone did it?". Gee, let's just cancel every loan and all govt debt since no one loses any money! Gimme a break.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 months ago

      Yeah that was a real head scratcher.

  29. Gaear Grimsrud   3 months ago

    Breaking News:
    Elon Musk is still a dick.

    1. Uncle Jay   3 months ago

      Breaking news:
      Big Government oppresses the masses, wastes our money and favors the rich.

  30. Marshal   3 months ago

    A decade after allegations first surfaced that schools operated by New York's Hasidic Jewish community were denying children a basic education

    I don't accept characterizations like this because Propaganda 101 teaches the left to say this when schools refuse to teach students that Hamas can rightfully murder Jewish children because they are the rightful rulers of Israel.

    If you want people to pay attention you need to be specific about how these schools failed.

    1. Moonrocks   3 months ago

      More to the point, how do these failing Hasidic schools measure up to the typical failing public school?

  31. MollyGodiva   3 months ago

    The poll is meaningless to what is going on. It asked generic questions about cutting government spending. It does not ask any questions specific to DOGE such as: Do you support indiscriminately firing government workers? Do you support indiscriminately cutting government grants even if it also cuts grants for medical research? Do you support DOGE violating federal law and working outside of any oversight from Congress?
    Another major reason the poll is worthless is that few people are paying attention enough to know what DOGE is doing. The TV and radio news is not covering the story in detail.
    Also, no poll can give legitimacy for illegal and unconstitutional actions.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

      Cry more, loser. You got nearly 4 more years of whining and lying to go.

    2. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

      “The poll is meaningless to what is going on.”

      If the pole said what you wanted you’d have posted it yourself you dishonest piece of shit.

      1. MollyGodiva   3 months ago

        I don't post nor pay attention to polls.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

          More lies, but that's to be expected.

          1. MollyGodiva   3 months ago

            The vast majority of the public is uninformed and dumb. I don't care one lick about what polls say about them.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 months ago

              More lies, but that's typical. Like turd, MG lies.

            2. damikesc   3 months ago

              Does it feel bad to be even worse than your view of the majority of the public?

        2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   3 months ago

          You just posted about and paid attention to the poll. You responded with a defense as well.

          1. MollyGodiva   3 months ago

            I care when people come to the wrong conclusion about polls.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   3 months ago

              No you don’t as you come to the wrong conclusions all the fucking time.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 months ago

              "Wrong conclusion" = "Anything that doesn't advance my stupid lefty cunt narratives."

            3. Don’t get eliminated   3 months ago

              Haha, how pathetic.

    3. damikesc   3 months ago

      Man, dig the sand out of your vagina Tony.

    4. See.More   3 months ago

      The poll is meaningless. [Hard stop].

      No need to say anything more.

      Polls are meaningless. Leading questions are often asked. Responders are often cherry-picked. But, most importantly, the sample sizes are not big enough to extrapolate the views of all voters/Americans/students/retirees/veterans/[enter whatever group the poll says XX% believe something].

    5. Incunabulum   3 months ago

      Of course not - then the approval rating would be even higher.

  32. MWAocdoc   3 months ago

    One of the best things Federal and state governments can do is to privatize almost all government "services" and fire the associated government employees and their government employee unions. The incestuous relationship between elected officials and monopoly government employees is inherently corrupt. Any "services" that governments provide can be better provided by private for-profit enterprises on the free market, with only a few official activities financed by taxes. Of course, this would only be after massive deregulation of private activities and transactions.

  33. MWAocdoc   3 months ago

    Re "not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good," DOGE's "slash and burn" approach is EXCELLENT theater and, I submit, necessary at this point in US history to "shock and awe" the targets of deregulation, eliminating deficit spending and cut the deadweight overhead of government. Since draining the swamp is impossible using any ordinary means due to the sheer size and inertia of the bureaucracy, hitting it hard and fast and moving quickly across broad swaths of the official landscape may actually achieve the goal!

    1. Medulla Oblongata   3 months ago

      Repeating myself:

      I was intrigued by comments made by Kevin O'Leary: “There’s this concept in private equity, when you get a bankrupt company and you go in there, you cut 20 percent more than your initial read, and then you find, like a pool of mercury, the organization gels back together again.” “Always cut deeper, harder when there’s fat and waste,” he added.

      There was something in one article I read, I thought it was the O'Leary comments one, but I don't find it. Paraphrasing: If you don't accidentally cut something important, you weren't cutting deep enough. It's simple enough to recall critical performers if they get caught up in the wash.

  34. MT-Man   3 months ago

    If you have been in grants or grants adjacent then you know they aren't playing fast and loose with the numbers politico, they may actually be understating what's hidden waste.

  35. Fist of Etiquette   3 months ago

    Does DOGE have much of a mandate? How popular is Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency? And does it matter?

    Journalists have informed me that DOGE is rogue and out of control and also unconstitutional.

    1. See.More   3 months ago

      Mandate: noun an official order or commission to do something.

      I'm fairly certain that DOGE definitely has a mandate from the PotUS.

    2. mad.casual   3 months ago

      Journalists have informed me that DOGE is rogue and out of control and also unconstitutional.

      Which is all kinds of weird. Like the SPD winning the 1933 election and the German media at the time crowing about how they're scrutinizing all these ties between sympathetic corporations and the literal fascists, cutting wasteful crony spending, and issuing pink slips to all the brownshirts and activists.

  36. Incunabulum   3 months ago

    >But these receipts include "contracts that had not yet been awarded

    And now it won't be - so DOGE saved us money. You can't complain that DOGE is not finding waste when its finding waste *before we wasted money on the waste.*

    >no money is directly lost by anyone when student loans are zeroed out.

    The people that have to pay off the lenders are losing their money - directly. I mean, is this guy an idiot? These people were lent money. Either the lenders are going to take a haircut or the taxpayers are. 'Zeroing out a debt' doesn't make the debtor whole.

  37. Incunabulum   3 months ago

    >But there's no airtight evidence of any of this, and it's hard to figure out what the burden of proof should be for the high court to throw out an election result.

    1. Everyone knows that you're only allowed to be in the bag for the Chinese.

    2. Everyone knows there's absolutely nothing redeeming about a totalitarian dictator - unless he's Chinese.

    3. If your democracy can't handle a little foreign interference then its not really a democracy.

    4. Why is it bad when the Russians do it but we do worse and its ok?

  38. Zipcreature   3 months ago

    25/284 Greybox Breakdown

    Moderation4Ever
    MollyGodiva
    SarahPalinsButtplug
    sarcasmic

    Very, very spotty grey-boxing here - long stretches without any greyboxes. Interesting.

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