DOGE's Complicated Story
Plus: When FOIA stops working, how the pandemic shifted young people to the right, and more...

DOGE update: Last week, some 220,000 probationary workers—those who'd been at their agencies for under a year or two—started getting laid off, a process that should result in 4 percent of the federal workforce being axed once all is done. Many critics have lingered on the fact that 300 of those probationary workers cut were from the Federal Aviation Administration, the agency tasked with ensuring safe travel through the skies, which has been having a mighty bad year given the January 29 plane crash over Washington, D.C., that killed 67 people. But it's hard to tell what roles exactly these workers were performing; Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy took to X to claim that "zero air traffic controllers and critical safety personnel were let go" and that the preceding administration had "failed for four years to address the air traffic controller shortage and upgrade our outdated, World War II-era air traffic control system."
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Useful functions grinding to a halt: CNN filed some Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests about Elon Musk's security clearance, as well as the clearances received by those within the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) who have been granted access to classified or otherwise restricted networks. "Good luck with that, they just fired the whole privacy team," an Office of Personnel Management staffer responded. (Of course, the government tends to spend an awful lot of time selectively denying FOIA requests under the guise of lots of different excuses; this might be true, or it might be the excuse flavor of the day.)
But the haphazard nature of the layoffs is affecting real, useful government functions. The U.S. Department of Agriculture, for example, accidentally let go of staffers working on containing the bird flu outbreak.
I'm honestly sympathetic to "if you never realize you cut something important, you aren't cutting enough", but if you realize every single day that you cut something important I don't think you're hitting the sweet spot on that tradeoff https://t.co/nULny1SNG1
— Kelsey Piper (@KelseyTuoc) February 19, 2025
Big picture: DOGE, though off to a good start, appears to be sputtering. The executive order authorizing it says it ought to be terminated by July 4, 2026, at the latest; Musk has echoed that the department will "delete itself" then. Musk has claimed that they can and will cut $2 trillion in useless spending, later hedging by saying that if they set out to target that amount, they will probably end up closer to $1 trillion (implying that the outcome would also be pretty good, which is fair). Many wonks have countered that the discretionary budget totals about $1.7 trillion. For Musk to get close to that $2 trillion target, he will probably need to look outside of the easy discretionary spending targets alone.
But the progress he has made so far hasn't really been good enough or fast enough to meet his goal. The headline number is $55 billion; that's what Musk and DOGE claim to have saved already with their cuts. But the total for canceled contracts equals about $16.5 billion—half of which came from one single contract cut which had unfortunately been miscounted as $8 billion when it was in fact a contract for merely $8 million. (The dollar-amount error had been present in federal documents dating back to at least 2022, so it's good that DOGE found this error, at minimum. But there's some brewing controversy that DOGE has been trying to cover their tracks for this mistake and hide it from the public.)
The next-largest items are three USAID contracts for $655 million each. The only issue is that they're a specific type of contract that has been triple-counted, so the savings are unfortunately not massive. Another consistent theme emerging: Counting the amount designated by a contract's total, but ignoring the fact that in many cases, 70 or 80 percent of it has already been spent, so the actual amount saved is less than it would seem.
So we're down to $6.5B in savings, and an alarming trend emerges: @DOGE does not seem to understand how the government contracts they are canceling work. The savings they are claiming are not annual savings, but rather hypothetical savings if we spent every unobligated penny.
5/
— Momentum Chaser (@electricfutures) February 18, 2025
A perfectly defensible counter to all this is: They're coming under intense partisan scrutiny for the cuts they're making, and it's unwarranted. Of course cutting the federal government down will involve making cuts people don't like, and of course the backlash will be enormous. Musk is overly ambitious, but it's better to begin by acknowledging that federal spending is out of control and setting a huge goal than to aim for a more modest overhaul. They're new at this all and they can't get everything right. Is there a way to do this that's not chaotic? Isn't it worth it in the end?
I think this way of looking at it is probably correct. But the ineptitude and mistakes also ought to be documented; we're calling balls and strikes here, are we not?
Agreeing to start working on a solution: Yeah, you heard that right. The U.S. and Russia have come to an agreement that they will start to begin to work on a solution for winding down the Ukraine war—kind of an odd step given that Ukraine had no seat at the negotiating table, and given European uneasiness surrounding what type of assistance may be expected from the rest of the continent. (Again, file this under better than nothing!)
But the talks, which took place between top diplomats in Saudi Arabia, were broadly successful. They agreed "to restore staffing at their respective embassies in Washington and Moscow, to create a high-level team to support Ukraine peace talks, and to explore closer relations and economic cooperation," per the Associated Press. "The meeting marked the most extensive contact between the two countries since Moscow's Feb. 24, 2022, invasion. [Russia's Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey] Lavrov and then-U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken talked briefly on the sidelines of a G-20 meeting in India nearly two years ago, but tensions remained high."
Scenes from New York: Following up on our definitely-not-corrupt politicians: "New York's highest court on Tuesday rejected efforts by former Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo to dismantle a state ethics commission that had been investigating a $5.1 million book deal he had received, ruling that the body's creation was constitutional," reports The New York Times.
QUICK HITS
- Populist leaders in Bulgaria, Slovakia, and Poland have all dismissed the option of committing peacekeeping troops to Ukraine if any sort of deal is reached to end the war, per Bloomberg.
- "Pandemics might not initially seem to cash out in any particular political direction," writes The Atlantic's Derek Thompson. "But political science suggests that pandemics are more likely to reduce rather than build trust in scientific authorities. One cross-country analysis published by the Systemic Risk Center at the London School of Economics found that people who experience epidemics between the ages of 18 and 25 have less confidence in their scientific and political leadership. This loss of trust persists for years, even decades, in part because political ideology tends to solidify in a person's 20s….Young people who cast their first ballot in 2024 were 'more jaded than ever about the state of American leadership,' according to the Harvard Political Review. A 2024 analysis of Americans under 30 found the 'lowest levels of confidence in most public institutions since the survey began.' In the past decade alone, young Americans' trust in the president has declined by 60 percent, while their trust in the Supreme Court, Wall Street, and Congress has declined by more than 30 percent."
- The Free Press' Bari Weiss details the ways the far left destroyed the center-left in America (and abroad) and asks: Is the far right now in danger of destroying the center-right?
- Is OpenAI actually struggling to convert free users to paid users? A popular post circulating on Hacker News throws cold water on some of the ChatGPT-related buzz. ("300 million monthly active users would mean a conversion rate of less than 4%, which is pretty piss-poor, especially as subscription revenue for ChatGPT Plus (and other monthly subscriptions) makes up the majority of OpenAI's revenue," writes Edward Zitron.)
- "The crimes against the Bibas family are indeed the symbol of the anti-civilizational menace that is Hamas—but also of the cowardice of the political and cultural leaders of the enlightened West," writes Seth Mandel in Commentary.
- Pope Francis, who is 88 years old, has developed pneumonia in both of his lungs.
- California is finally beginning to tackle its real problems: Companies that sell anti-aging skincare products to willing buyers who happen to be teenagers.
- Very cool:
Announcing our first open-weights model: R1 1776 - a version of DeepSeek R1 that's been post-trained to remove the China censorship and provide unbiased, accurate responses. Here's a graph showing % of Chinese censorship by the model (the lower, the better). pic.twitter.com/w0hPVafnDM
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CNN filed some Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests about Elon Musk's security clearance...
Too bad they didn't show this level of interest into who was actually president the past four years.
Did everyone who took the boxes out of joes garage have security clearances?
He gave them back after talking to his ghostwriter to profit. So no issue there.
Just a kind but forgetful old man.
You mean the cauliflower?
It is scandalous that we have not had hearings yet on the degree of coverup there was to hide his cognitive deficit. Even Speaker Johnson said he knew it was problem by Jan 2024, but said nothing.
The security clearances he's had for the last 23 years operating a rocket program are probably far more stringent than those needed to audit government department finances for which there should be no secrecy.
Everything the blob is doing is either part stalling tactic or part throwing everything to see if anything sticks.
My understanding of security clearances is that they don't give you blanket access. There is still the "need to know" aspect of them. Even if you have a top secret security clearance, if there is a top secret document and you don't have the proper "need to know", you can't or won't (take your pick) be shown it.
This is correct for special access programs. But why would government spending fall under this?
PPI is generally not covered under classification authority. Very few contracts are covered under this authority either.
But what about spending administered by the CIA? (And the fact that they are involved?)
Even most classified contracts aren't kept at the classification level of the program. SAP, nominally known as black programs, can. Then again government over classified everything.
My point was that the security clearance checks necessary to run an intercontinental ballistic rocket program are more strident than those needed to do a financial audit of the Department of Education.
With the exception of law enforcement, military and security agencies, the level of security clearance that should be required to view department finances should be zero. In fact, most departments should have all their expenditures published and open to anyone from the public to review.
Everyone has a need to know about all the bullshit our government is spending money on.
They don't give you blanket access, but if he already has a TS/SCI due to his work with the FVEY countries on launching their satellites, which is highly likely, it's trivially easy to get him read in on anything he needs to know. Which Trump can confirm with a phone call to the office.
None of the data he's been digging in to has been classified even at the Confidential level, though, anyway. Leftist vermin like MollyGodiva have been trying to muddy the issue by deceitfully claiming that data is "highly classified," because most people don't understand the distinctions, but it's not. At most, it's CUI with Privacy Act and FEDCON caveats. Which Musk would meet anyway, since he's working as a consultant for the President.
As long as individual PII isn't publicly released, like what happened when Maddow published Trump's tax returns, then they aren't breaking any laws. Access is fully allowed in those instances regardless, because it's already Unclassified, it just has certain restrictions on what specifically can be released.
Does ITAR count?
ITAR is generally not under classification authority but under import export authority.
Some items may of course have both.
Many dual use items won't have classification restrictions but will have ITAR restrictions.
Can't they just send them a redacted solid black page? That worked for the FDA when FOIAed by Congress.
pretty sure Hunter Biden couldn't have security clearance but there he was at meetings with his dad the last year or so that we know of.
True, but every leftitarian here was condemning that breach of security at every opportunity. You couldn't go one article without hearing SPB2, chemjeff, molygodiva, et al talk about how big of a threat it was to our democracy, and how much of a constitutional crisis it was, that Hunter Biden was included in all of those classified meetings.
Oh, wait. That didn't happen ever.
As a general rule, the government doesn't announce or release someone's security clearance. Releasing that information is in itself a breach of security. If I'm a foreign power, and I know who has X security clearance, I know who to target for subversion, hacking or kidnapping to gain access to the knowledge they have.
Many critics have lingered on the fact that 300 of those probationary workers cut were from the Federal Aviation Administration...
Did Musk not see the movie Carry-On???
Do we really think probationary workers are doing critical safety functions?
What about double-secret probationary workers?
Toga functions.
Yes, of course they would, why not? Being on probation just means they have only been in the job less than a year. Many of those have quite a bit of experience in the private sector.
Surely you can provide examples that would change my pessimism.
And you know this, how?
I can read the code of federal regulations where this is defined.
Cite them, and cite the part of Article II.
Reading a regulation tells you of the skillset of people hired under the regulation?
I guess left wingers are so used to bullshitting their allies they forgot their bullshit has to make sense out in the world.
Stupid and dishonest pretty much covers it.
“I can read”
Cite?
Seeing as Molly has yet to respond, I don't think she can read your request for a cite.
Yes 300 out for 20,000 FAA and those 300 were obviously the only ones who know anything. so in other words maybe its time to fire the other 19,700 and bring back those very important 300
The 300!!
This is
Spartathe Gulf of America!...the preceding administration had "failed for four years to address the air traffic controller shortage and upgrade our outdated, World War II-era air traffic control system."
Hey! That system kicked kraut and jap ass and saved the world, bub.
This sounds like an unreleased Popeye cartoon.
Way too tame for him.
The fact that we're not being told the names of the pilot and co-pilot who flipped the Delta plane upside-down tells us pretty much everything we need to know about what the deal is with that embarrassing incident.
They already told me it was Trump's fault.
Blame Canada!
They’re not even a real country anyway.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture, for example, accidentally let go of staffers working on containing the bird flu outbreak.
I can shoot my own hens, thank you very much.
If these are the same kinds of brilliant minds that gave us humans curve flattening and essential social justice protesting, we need them back at their fucking desks pronto.
Astroturf doesn't just pop out of the ground!
It's pretty odd that bird flue outbreaks have only started affecting egg prices in the last four years or so. Just sayin'.
Bug prices not affected.
There was a pretty good price spike on eggs in 2015 because of avian flu.
I don't remember that happening. Looking at historical egg prices, there seems to have been a modest spike in 2015 at the end of a years-long gradual increase in prices: href="https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU0000708111
I'll concede that I was factually wrong, but I'm still directionally correct. We've been able to live with regular bird flu outbreaks for at least decades without economic disruption until the last couple of years, which were notable for bureaucratic incompetence and/or malice disrupting virtually every other sector of the economy.
I'll also add that I've had this suspicion since the first price spike in 2022, but I've only recently been able to piece together the mechanism: Stop The Spread is still a core tenet of the ruling party -> bureaucrats freak out about an infectious disease outbreak and overreact -> egg laying hens are zealously eradicated -> massive egg shortage -> massive price increase. Considering this second price spike, it seems this panic reaction was incorporated into bureaucratic policy and will continue to cause regular price spikes until it's purged.
Recent increases also coincided with a large increase in cost of all food items, so we have big inflation, plus the outbreaks making the price increases appear even more dramatic. Without a few years of 10% inflation, I suspect the recent price surge for eggs would look a lot like 2015. Maybe there are other factors too from incompetence or pandemic fever or what have you. But I think people are making the egg thing more significant than it really is.
They should just keep any mistakes they make. In retrospect to the retrospect I'm sure they will turn out to not be mistakes.
Maybe if we had just killed everyone who got tested for COVID we could have contained it?
yes to Eeyore but to carry the idea to humans they are killing birds that are near those with bird flue tested or not so we would have to kill everyone near anyone who had Covid. i think that would be everyone.
Jokes on you, I already died three times in 2020.
I killed your grandmother four times in 2020.
How? Did you Mozambique her urn?! 😉
I never once wore a mask while driving alone in the car.
And voted Democrat in every election since?
And been collecting social security too.
Who gets the bribe money to stay on the list of eggs producers who don't have their chickens PCR tested?
Musk has echoed that the department will "delete itself" then.
Just like Thanos.
...if you realize every single day that you cut something important I don't think you're hitting the sweet spot on that tradeoff...
Important is in the eye of the beholder.
Friendly reminder. The KKK and calls for segregation never left the democrat party.
Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
Show host Trevor Noah and Princeton professor Ruha Benjamin suggest segregation should be reintegrated into American schools, says integration was not "the right solution."
Noah: "I would love to know if you think integration was the right solution."
Benjamin: "No. I don't... when you're being integrated into institutions, into a culture that's a supremacist culture... why are we being integrated into that?"
Liberia is still available.
The Bushpig Buttplug should feel perfectly at home there.
Finally.
Vindication.
Those black kids who got spat on for wanting to go to the white school in Birmingham must be so proud.
Chances are the usda created bird flu in a lab, so shutting them down would be the right thing
More than one strain in more than one lab.
The savings they are claiming are not annual savings, but rather hypothetical savings if we spent every unobligated penny.
Statists should be thrilled, then. The tax dollar amount damage is not so devastating.
Hmm, does our government even believe in unobligated pennies?
I'm pretty sure Congress insists the Executive Branch spend every cent allocated.
Not only that, but some posters here think it’s unconstitutional for the executive to not do so.
No really.
Yeah, I also think a few Reason editors have also written about that being unconstitutional. Cough cough Jakey cough cough Petti.
In yet another hit on jeffsarc, jfree, and others...
Deborah Brix admits conspiracy theorists were always right on vaccines. Even says we should have focused on early prophylactic treatments.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1891712563756331119.html
They were only going by the available facts at the time.
You're a fascist.
The fact that they prohibited any attempts to treat the illness itself was monstrous.
And murderous.
There needs to be a reckoning.
Somehow Jeffy will still defend it. Maybe he’ll claim something something keep the bears in the trunk, something.
Why do you hate grandmas, hmmmm?
They voted for the assholes who have bankrupted us?
I'm willing to lock Jeff in my trunk and go park out in the middle of the desert for a few weeks.
Well, OK, in a car I never plan to use again.
Hey Liz, after claiming Adams only got his charges dropped to work for Trump yesterday, any concern of Hochul saying she will remove a democratically elected mayor for not following the democrat wishes?
https://www.ntd.com/gov-hochul-considers-removing-nyc-mayor-adams-from-office_1048277.html
Apoplectic Dems Dogpile NYC Mayor Adams
Adams got himself in hot water back in '23, when he ticked off the Biden administration by daring to speak out against the masses of sociopathic deadweight pouring into his city. On Nov. 2, as Adams was midflight to Washington, D.C., to press the issue with the Biden administration, the feds raided the home of his 2021 campaign fundraiser. What a coincidence!
This is one of the good FBI raids for political use, not the icky ones for drug dealers.
Remember, this happened with AOC, too. She'd been running her yap and winding up her social media audience about primarying Democratic politicians for months after she got in office. The Dems struck back by having her campaign manager ousted over accusations of campaign finance law threats, and Pelosi brought her in for the hilariously staged photo op to warn her she'd be next if she didn't stop undermining the party. "Now turn and smile for the camera, you snot-nosed little shit."
Stalin would be proud.
For added fun, you have Hochul allying with Sharpton to remove a democratically elected black mayor.
Plantation politics.
I was going to comment on that. Where is the outrage about an unelected race-baiter practically running the government of New York? No one elected Sharpton to have this position and authority. It's a state constitutional crisis!
"This loss of trust persists for years, even decades"
It's worse when we KNOW they lied to us, because they admit that they lied to us.
Even some leftists understand that...
https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-cdc-masks.html
[discusses a number of Fauci's 'noble lies']
When experts or agencies deliver information to the public that they consider possibly or definitively false to further a larger, often well-meaning agenda, they are telling what is called a noble lie. Although the teller’s intentions may be pure—for example, a feeling of urgency that behavioral change is needed among the lay public—the consequences can undermine not only those intentions but also public trust in experts and science. During the first year of COVID-19, leaders were faced with an unknown disease amid a politically sensitive election in the era of social media, and the preconditions for noble lies became especially fertile. Not surprisingly, we witnessed several examples. More than anything, these examples illustrate the destructive potential of such lies.
Noble lies—small untruths—yield unpredictable outcomes. Nietzsche once wrote, “Not that you lied to me, but that I no longer believe you, has shaken me.” Public health messaging is predicated on trust, which overcomes the enormous complexity of the scientific literature, creating an opportunity to communicate initiatives effectively. Still, violation of this trust renders the communication unreliable. When trust is shattered, messaging is no longer clear and straightforward, and instead results in the audience trying to reverse-engineer the statement based on their view of the speaker’s intent. Simply put, noble lies can rob confidence from the public, leading to confusion, a loss of credibility, conspiracy theories, and obfuscated policy.
Noble lies are a trap. We cannot predict the public’s behavior, and loss of trust is devastating. The general population is far too skeptical to blindly follow the advice of experts, and far too intelligent to be easily duped.
I’m not certain it was a ‘well meaning’ agenda at all.
The authors are leftists, so they're 100% bending over backwards like Politico fact checkers to come up with "Partly true, lacks context." sort of answer.
Noble lies are inherently patronizing and therefore cannot be considered as anything but insulting. Tell me a noble lie and you tell me you think little of my reasoning capacity. Tell me a self-serving lie and you tell me you fear I am reasoned enough to punish you for it.
I don't think they know what "noble lie" means.
They think it's a lie told by a Nobleman.
If you can't tell the truth, to change the publics perception or actions, and the only way to effect change is to lie, maybe you need to reevaluate your assumption that the publics actions need to be changed.
Big picture: DOGE, though off to a good start, appears to be sputtering.
DOGE critics assert both that DOGE needs to slow down to do this right and that they should already be done. This is a typical stance of people who aren't interested in anything being accomplished, but instead of convincing everyone it shouldn't be done at all. Their plan is delay, delay, delay - oh something came up.
It has only been four weeks. And once they get to the bottom of the 100s of billions in medicare/medicaid fraud the number will jump bigly. It amazes me people who want to abolish! everything are so doubting when actual steps are being taken to do just that. Stop complaining about how the sausage is made.
Reason editors continue to, intentionally, misstate the mission of Doge. Yes cutting expenses in the current budget is a goal but the more important outcome is exposing the leftist bullshit billed to the taxpayers and forcing transparent accountability going forward. It is the last two outcomes that have the entrenched deep state in a panic. Liz continues to expose herself as either lacking in insight or as an apologist for the state she claims to want abolished.
I think they should also fire everyone who complains. That is insubordination and justifiable.
JD Vance continues to be right about childless cat ladies.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/14/lifestyle/new-poll-shows-liberal-women-the-most-unhappy-lonely/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost
JD Vance is wrong about JD Vance being right.
House Republicans are zeroing in on cuts of 1.5T to 2T during funding discussions. Sarc will find a way to attack them for this.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-republicans-strike-deal-cut-15-trillion-budget-paving-way-trumps-legislative-agenda
"Sarc will find a way to attack them for this."
But Sarc has complained all along that only Congress can fix this. Why, WHY, would he possibly complain about Congress making the effort to do exactly that?
Because he's a leftist hypocrite?
And most importantly it will Republicans fault when every democrat votes against the cuts.
But Sarc says he's a true libertarian, perhaps the only one here!
But he’s also rarely here.
House Republicans are zeroing in on cuts of 1.5T to 2T during funding discussions.
The proposal seems to be mostly cuts to Medicaid.
In case anyone is wondering how they can get $1.5T from Medicaid, it is $1.5T over 10 years).
https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/house-gop-budget-healthcare-medicaid-aca-cuts/740035/
Considering it's the largest outlier, it's only fitting it most the cuts should come from it. Especially as the Constitution grants no powers to the government to be running a program like Medicare, unlike defense spending, which is a power granted to Congress.
Yeah, good point about the constitution.
LA police commissioner is coaching illegals on how to avoid deportation.
https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2025/02/13/lapd-police-commissioner-directs-hq-to-give-community-direction-on-how-to-avoid-ice-n2185459
Well, then, deport the commissioner along with the rest. By "mistake".
You misspelled trebuchet.
I have a way to avoid ICE, don't come here illegally and if you are here illegally, leave. Go back home. Problem solved, you won't have to deal with ICE.
Also, if like some contend, we really need all those illegals to pick blueberries, if we get rid of the illegals or they leave voluntarily, then this will prove them right and maybe make people more open to loosening immigration laws.
The U.S. and Russia have come to an agreement that they will start to begin to work on a solution for winding down the Ukraine war...
Look, do we want Trump to settle down and act normal and quit smashing things? I'm getting mixed signals. And anyway, that kind of standard diplomatic bullshit was the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union, дьявол rest its soul.
Lol @ ‘start to begin’.
If I were Trump, and people criticized me trying to end the war, I would say 'fine, we're washing our hands of it. This means no more weapons, no more funding, no more technical support. The Ukrainian can fight or negotiate how they want, it's their country after all, so they can make it on their own (or not).'
"hypothetical savings if we spent every unobligated penny."
I've never known a government agency that did not strive to spend every authorized penny. Obligations on allocations thrown out the window on the last day to the fiscal year, just in case the budget might be reduced next year "since we didn't spend it all this year".
"New office chairs for everyone!"
And tampon machines in every men's room!
New York's highest court on Tuesday rejected efforts by former Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo to dismantle a state ethics commission that had been investigating a $5.1 million book deal he had received...
That book? How to Win an Emmy for Sending Grandma to Her Death
Populist leaders in Bulgaria, Slovakia, and Poland have all dismissed the option of committing peacekeeping troops to Ukraine if any sort of deal is reached to end the war, per Bloomberg.
Please stop using populist as a negative adjective. How dare government respond to the will of the people. The other side of the coin is the authoritarian elitist EU.
You're better than this.
Making "populism" out to be a bad thing is an imperialistic/authoritarian tactic. And when you press them as to why they reductio ad Hitlerum and then stomp away.
It's also a less-than-subtle elitist slur.
You're the first person I've seen using the original, "reductio ad Hitlerum," instead of Godwin's Law. Godwin stole his from the reductio ad Hitlerum which came first.
They do the same thing with nationalism too. Yes, taken to extreme, nationalism can be a bad thing, but it can also be a positive thing and nationalism went hand in hand with humanism and later enlightenment. It was a symbiotic relationship. Nationalism helped bring down the ancient regime.
The usual game is to conflate civic nationalism with ethnic nationalism as if they were remotely the same thing.
Populist leaders in Bulgaria, Slovakia, and Poland have all dismissed the option of committing peacekeeping troops to Ukraine if any sort of deal is reached to end the war...
Would they rather send pallets of cash?
"We already spent 20 years providing troops for one country's war, we're not doing it for another country for another 20 years on top of that."
I'm surprised Poland is taking such a stance with that USAID puppet Donald Tusk in charge. Maybe his funding lines got cut and he's having to actually represent his country's interests now.
A 2024 analysis of Americans under 30 found the 'lowest levels of confidence in most public institutions since the survey began.' In the past decade alone, young Americans' trust in the president has declined by 60 percent, while their trust in the Supreme Court, Wall Street, and Congress has declined by more than 30 percent."
Good. Not all of us have blind faith in institutions like sarc. Especially when it was clearly exposed they lied to us constantly and attacked the truth tellers.
Government pandemic responses have been historically bad. Their models are always wrong and pessimistic. They always assume more powers. The response is always worse than if they hadn't responded.
* Facts changed
Stop, I can only get so hard.
As for Elon, he has done more to drain the swamp in just one month than the 535 members of Congress combined have done in almost 30 years, so I'm sure as heck not going to bitch and moan that he isn't moving quickly enough.
I can only assume those who oppose stopping wasteful spending are in on the scam.
And if not in on the scam, then blindly dedicate to "the institution" of big government. Aka useful idiots.
Most importantly he has forced those who say there's waste but do their best to excuse or hide it to talk about it.
I've never seen so many people openly talk about the waste and corruption as I've seen this month. This gives congress the needed motivation to implement cuts instead of ignoring it at the behest of leftist media.
People like Rogan have been constantly talking about this waste for weeks.
Steven Miller actually had the right response, to me. Why aren't people cheering that we are finding so much wasteful spending? That is mind-blowing to me.
"...a process that should result in 4 percent of the federal workforce being axed once all is done..."
Get back to us once we're in double digits.
Patience, it’s only been four and a half weeks. We’ll probably be in double digits first week in March.
But political science suggests that pandemics are more likely to reduce rather than build trust in scientific authorities.
I may have to read this Atlantic piece to see if those dumb fucks mention why trust was eroded. Let's see if they apply the term "misinformation" to the correct sources.
You're asking a LOT, there, FOE.
Exactly. The quote provided is very odd saying "pandemics" implying it was data set rather than a data point. But the conclusion is a single instance. If this carries through the problem would seem to be not that pandemics have this effect but instead that public officials lying, choosing costly and unsupportable actions for political reasons, and inappropriately using their institutions to retaliate on dissenters has this effect.
I would use plural because they've done this many times with bird flu, H1N1, and monkey pox.
Ok, but they're not showing evidence those other events had this effect, only the current one. That's what needs to be plural, not the existence of other pandemics.
They've tried it with the others, especially Monkey Pox. But we all just laughed at them.
And add to it that the education, development, and social lives of the entire under 25 year old generation were sacrificed to the fears of overweight, middle-aged, civil servants.
Government funded scientists will determine the spike protein causes COVID to degrade trust in science and destroy the economy.
Imagine how bad it would be if we didn't flatten the curve, though.
The lockdown measures failed. It really wouldn't have made a real difference.
A 2024 analysis of Americans under 30 found the 'lowest levels of confidence in most public institutions since the survey began.'
At least public health experts managed to actually mitigate something.
"'USAID funded Trump impeachment…': Shellenberger exposes Deep State at US House hearing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmd0E8NH_lA&t=1s
And most of the reason writers and the clown left commentatiat here fell for it. Oh. And Justin amash.
Samantha Power and her husband deserve prison time. They better get good lawyers.
Is the far right now in danger of destroying the center-right?
Never underestimate the ever-increasing momentum of the pendulum.
Are they really “far right” or just called that by authoritarian managerial detractors? The “center right” are just a bunch of managerial sycophants.
To the Blob, we are all far-right.
I don't think that's how pendulums work.
Looking at Trump's policies he's mostly pretty center right, even crossing over at times to center left. The fact that he gets labeled far right is just evidence of how far they forced the Overton window the past three decades.
As for his immigration stance this was pretty mainstream Democratic platform two decades ago.
I see Trump as a 90's Democrat, yes.
Trump WAS a 90s Democrat.
Who is in charge of DOGE? WH says it is not Musk. The second most powerful person in the government can't remain anonymous.
Gee, why didn't lefty shits like this wonder who was actually POTUS from '20 to '24?
BTW, Trump is in charge of DOGE, shit-for-brains. As you whined about somewhere else, the person is a 'political appointee'.
Plus, make your family proud: Fuck off and die.
Who wrote the EO that halted the building of the LNG export terminals in Louisiana that Biden didn’t know he signed?
THAT was an amazing admission.
Of course Trump is in charge ultimately, but I want to know who runs DOGE. If I asked who was in charge of the DoJ, you would name the Attorneys General, not the President.
The WH won't say who is in charge of DOGE.
Trump is in charge, ass-wipe.
You seem to think there is more than one Attorney General of the US. How many Attorneys General do you think there are, besides Pam Bondi?
You would only name the AG if you were a fucking moron (which you've already established you are) who doesn't understand how our government functions.
What if nobody is in charge?
Like the last 4 years in the white house.
"The second most powerful person in the government"
Lol, what?
The second you pause and think about their claims, their bullshit falls to pieces.
It's an audit. There's nothing to fear unless you were actually stealing.
Musk is de facto in charge, although ultimately the control is with Trump himself. You're not going to be able to make this a bad thing no matter how many of you shills are paid to disseminate phony opprobrium, Tony.
People have already answered this several times.
You've asked this many times. Is this the new act blue talking point? It's a retarded talking point so I'm guessing yes.
Trump is the president. Doge is working by submitting cuts to appointed office heads.
What question are you asking of merit?
Embarrassing.
If it’s not Elon Musk, then name the person, retardo.
That is the whole point. I don't know. WH said in court that it is not Musk.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.277463/gov.uscourts.dcd.277463.24.1.pdf
Again, why does that bother you now, but not a year ago?
There was no DOGE a year ago.
There wasn't a POTUS a year ago, fuck-face.
"There was no
DOGEPresident a year ago."And you're wrong, there was a DOGE a year ago, under a different name. Who was in charge of it then? Why do you care?
(S)he's just a dumb cunt.
Indeed there was, ignorant one. It was called the United States Digital Service. The agency has been mildly renamed and repurposed as the United States DOGE Service. By the way, MollyGullible, this was an agency created by Obama.
Yeah, but WHO RAN IT!?!?!?!?!?
TonyGodiva, last year: "The president is incapacitated so the country is being run by an unelected Junta? That's cool."
TonyGodiv, this year: "AN AUDITING DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE A TITULAR HEAD! IT'S THE END OF DEMOCRACY!"
There was a Digital Services, what DOGE is, a year ago dumbass.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/02/trump-admin-elon-musk-is-a-special-advisor-like-anita-dunn-was-to-biden/
You are also a moron for other reasons. DOGE has not cut a single program nor fired anyone. They have identified fraud and waste, which Trump then ended via executive orders. They did identify excess personal, or ineffective personal, who were then fired or suspended by either Trump or the secretary of whichever position it was at the behest of Trump. So, you're whining about not knowing who the auditors are, but it's perfectly clear by the actions that Trump is ultimately in charge. Fucking moron.
Uhm, someone doesn't know how the government works and has never heard of separation of powers and checks and balances. Or do you intentionally try to come up with more ignorant things to say each day?
Is OpenAI actually struggling to convert free users to paid users?
Skynet needs an OnlyFans account.
From what I've seen on the 'interwebs' SkyNet is almost exclusively OnyFans.
Stay classy, humanity.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/jeff-charles/2025/02/18/judge-tanya-chutkan-casts-doubt-on-legal-challenge-against-doge-n2652397
Federal judge Tanya Chutkan has reportedly refused to place a restraining order on the department after expressing skepticism about the lawsuit against the agency.
During a Monday hearing, Judge Chutkan, who also presided over Trump’s election interference case, noted that Musk “hasn’t been nominated, confirmed by Congress, or appointed to anything” while acknowledging the thrust of the plaintiffs’ arguments.
The judge expressed concerns about a supposed lack of transparency in how DOGE operates, saying it “appears to be moving in no sort of predictable and orderly fashion, and plaintiffs are obviously scrambling to find out what’s next.”
Yet, Chutkan pointed out that the states suing the administration are relying primarily on news reports regarding the problems with DOGE rather than actual sources. “The courts can’t act based on media reports. We can’t do that,” she said.
Justice Department attorney Joshua Gardner countered the plaintiffs’ arguments by noting that Musk has not fired any official. Instead, officials who have the authority to terminate employees are carrying out the firings. “There is not a single instance of Elon Musk in his own name or the [U.S. DOGE Service] commanding any of these actions at all,” he said.
If they can’t even get Chutkan on their side, then their case is a turd-level piece of shit.
She is restrained by precedent
Didn’t stop her much with the made up case against Trump prior to the election.
'“The courts can’t act based on media reports. We can’t do that,” she said.'
All the USAID spending on media goes to waste.
Christ, how fucking embarrassing. I recall a lot of the FBI FISA crap during Russiagate was based off of that same methodology of citing news articles rather than actual sources, too.
These people know the journalism field is just a propaganda organ for the Democratic party.
And the sources for those news reports turned out to be the FBI as well, in most cases. The FBI "leaks" false information to the news, the news reports the story as fact, then the FBI uses those articles as the probable cause to get a warrant for whatever they want.
The crimes against the Bibas family are indeed the symbol of the anti-civilizational menace that is Hamas—but also of the cowardice of the political and cultural leaders of the enlightened West...
I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps maybe Islam might deserve a sliver of blame.
You're obviously Islamophobic.
OK. Let's make it up to them with some free pagers and walkie-talkies.
A deal so good, it’s da bomb.
^+1
I doubt the ceasefire with the hamas human animals goes into phase two. Israel must eradicate hamas from gaza, and be seen by the entire arab world as having utterly defeated hamas. Otherwise, they'll be doing the same thing in less than 5 years, b/c hamas has promised to try and destroy Israel with more 10/7 style attacks.
Sometimes, there is no compromise to be had. Then, there are just winners and losers.
May Israel win, and soon.
Nah, Islam has no history of using force to spread it's religion. It wasn't like their prophet used force, started wars, and murdered people to found his religion, nor that after his death, his followers invaded the rest of Asia Minor, central Asia, the horn of Africa, North Africa, and Europe, in the name of their religion. And it isn't like their holy book actually commands their followers to spread the religion by the sword.
Pope Francis, who is 88 years old, has developed pneumonia in both of his lungs.
Italy didn't fare well last time the elderly got respiratory disease.
NBC, CNN, and the View hags all blamed Trump for the Toronto plane crash.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2025/02/18/wait-did-this-cnn-host-just-blame-the-delta-plane-crash-on-trump-n2652420
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1754937349706752079
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Current job listing for an air traffic controller on the FAA's website is open to people with disabilities including psychiatric & intellectual delays.
Doesn't it make you feel safe knowing your air traffic controller can have an intellectual disability or have a seizure while directing your flight?
DEI will get people k*ll*d.
Trump is so magical he can make planes crash in Canada.
Canadian air traffic control has been thoroughly disrupted by becoming the 51st state.
NBC, CNN, and the View hags are all shrill, partisan cunts who deserve a special plane ride.
Or a "Chilean helicopter ride."
You know, most people (even Democrats) are normies. We listen to that bullshit and just roll our eyes. The more deranged these people talk, the better. It guarantees huge losses in the next election.
Normies vote. And there are more normies than deranged assholes.
California is-
Stop right there.
R1 1776 - a version of DeepSeek R1 that's been post-trained to remove the China censorship and provide unbiased, accurate responses.
Ha! The tanks are going to roll right over that one.
But does it still send data to TikTok?
For the record trump has met with zelknski multiple times.
Face to face last September, and five or six times since via videoconferencing.
Did little Z ever sit on Trump's lap?
Mmmmmmmaybe...
Why should we fire "civil servants?"
The author disavowed any resemblance to the deep state conspiracy theory, saying: "This isn't the work of the so-called deep state. It's the work of the steady state.
Look, if you're in the administration and you receive an illegal order, you're obligated to report it and refuse to act on it. If you receive an order that is legal but you disagree with, your recourse is to carry out the actions to the best of your ability or resign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Part_of_the_Resistance_Inside_the_Trump_Administration
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/jeff-charles/2025/02/18/homeland-security-set-to-fire-hundreds-of-employees-during-trump-purge-n2652392
A former senior Biden administration official told NBC News that those targeted “are career people who have an influence on policy and strategy in those positions.”
An official in the current administration argued that the individuals who will be released “willfully grind things to halt” when it comes to enacting President Trump’s agenda – especially as it pertains to immigration policy.
This move appears to show that Trump has learned from his first term in office. Unelected bureaucrats motivated by politics commonly worked to counteract the president’s policies, making it harder for the administration to execute their plans.
One high-profile example came when Miles Taylor, a former DHS chief of staff, wrote an anonymous op-ed that was published in The New York Times in 2018. The piece, titled, “I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration, detailed how Taylor was a part of a group of senior officials actively working to thwart Trump’s agenda.
Taylor’s op-ed revealed that there were multiple people in DHS seeking to prevent the president from enforcing immigration laws and other policies they disagreed with. If this was the case, how many more are there in other departments that will do the same thing?
Look, if you're in the administration and you receive an illegal order, you're obligated to report it and refuse to act on it.
I'm not clear on what an illegal order would be. For example would it include an FBI official ordering previously closed case re-opened so the existence of an investigation could be fed to the media and political allies for their use in misleading the public?
Privatize air traffic control, like libertarians would. Right, Reason?
I think even Canada privatized their air traffic control, and no one would suggest Canada as some bastion of small government (or freedom).
'Populist leaders in Bulgaria, Slovakia, and Poland have all dismissed the option of committing peacekeeping troops to Ukraine if any sort of deal is reached to end the war, per Bloomberg.'
How about troops from Gaza and Sudan?
'But political science suggests that pandemics are more likely to reduce rather than build trust in scientific authorities.'
Pandemics? Or the deceptive and manipulative bullshit that authorities indulge in so they can take advantage of a good crisis?
The latter.
I remembee this video showing when Heather Nicole Cauvel had to resign from her nursing job because of vaccine mandates.
"...Or the deceptive and manipulative bullshit that authorities indulge in so they can take advantage of a good crisis?..."
Tons of CA's current problems are blamed on the pandemic, instead of that greaseball Newsom's attempt to centrally plan the economy for a couple of years. What could go wrong, outside of nearly everything?
We dodged a bullet...
https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1891232276434080227
Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
NEW: Kamala Harris gives inspiring speech to the cast of 'A Wonderful World' on Broadway, inspires by noting how "nature abhors a vacuum."
"When we think about these moments where we see things that are being taken but also let's see it as you know, nature abhors a vacuum."
"So where some where there's a vacancy, then let's fill it."
"But we have to we have to be clear-eyed. And it doesn't mean we don't see the beauty in everything. Right? These things all coexist."
Further evidence that this dizzy bimbo only got to the station in politics that she did by blowing her way there.
"[A]s you know, nature abhors a vacuum."
This was, of course, disproven all the way back in the 17th Century (starting with an experiment by Galileo), and nowadays we know that nature is almost entirely vacuum (using any vaguely-reasonable standard, such as "less than 1 molecule per cubic millimeter").
"So where some where there's a vacancy, then let's fill it."
Harris, of course, spent the last four years failing to fill the very vacancy that it was her specific, Constitutionally-ordained job to fill -- "In Case of . . . his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President[.]"
'The Free Press' Bari Weiss details the ways the far left destroyed the center-left in America (and abroad) and asks: Is the far right now in danger of destroying the center-right?'
So, another Democrats did it first?
The left used their institutional power to expel liberals, as well as abandoning free speech for and other basic liberal beliefs.
Has the supposed far right done anything analogous? Or is this just the typical fearmongering response of a left-sider for whom any action is scary and "far-right" simply because it is "the other" and they don't control it?
For the far righ to do this, it eould need control of mainstream information sources and bulletin boards that have a reputation of impartiality (whether or not ever deserved).
For Weiss to be accurate the far-right would have to expel something the right generally had previously always supported completely out of the political mainstream the way the left expelled support for free speech or opposition to mass murder. I think that could take a lot of forms not requiring the same kind of control the left has on the media. But I can't think of anything.
But it's hard to tell what roles exactly these workers were performing
Yet another reason for removing them, and their public affairs officers?
A job for the Bobs.
“What would ya say... ya do here?”
"Public affairs officers" sound like people persons, dammit.
Requiring their favorite hangouts to refuse service to people who could not prove they received one vaccine (an unprecedented act) beyond debate shifted young voters to the right.
Interesting that he cares only about the political direction.
The bureaucratic direction is what matters.
-- H.L. Mencken
The first thing bureaucrats want is to expand their fiefdom. More subordinates, bigger budgets, and fresh regulations. The last thing they want is to solve the problem that keeps them in business.
The pattern is: government policy and poor regulation cause a crisis. The government publicly and violently searches for culprits, aided by the MSM, and names the wrong parties--usually in the private sector. The government then rolls out a massive new law and its regulatory children to "fix" the problem as they defined it. The new lawdoesn't solve the real problem, costs a lot, and has massive unintended consequences, including setting the stage for the next crisis, which will be bigger and more damaging.
Memory of the past crisis fades and everybody reluctantly adjusts to the massive new regulatory overhead. A new crisis occurs. The government publicly and violently searches for the culprits, aided by the MSM--looking exclusively in the business community...and so it goes.
See the creation of the DHS after 9/11. The problem was bureaucracy and regulations that stopped vital intelligence getting to where it was needed. The government's solution: create more bureaucracy and regulations.
Who knew that Mencken was MAGA?
And unlike SGT, might not have had a raging case of TDS.
Who was President in 2024?
Methinks this "analysis" was not very deep.
I can guess what their definition of far-right is.
While most non-socialists would claim Marxism, CRT, DEI, and wokism in general as far-left, I bet Bari Weiss includes Trump as far-right, lumped in with Nazis notwithstanding they were socialists too, and just as racist as Queers for Palestine.
The Free Press' Bari Weiss details the ways the far left destroyed the center-left in America (and abroad) and asks: Is the far right now in danger of destroying the center-right?
Oh please, let it be so.
the preceding administration had "failed for four years to address the air traffic controller shortage
Fortunately Trusk or Mump are fixing that shortage by firing people.
And you’d be spreading false information. Not a single air traffic controller has been let go.
The smug asshole and facts are not real close acquaintances, are they?
Where did I say that were firing air traffic controllers? They are firing people who could become air traffic controllers, you cultist fuckwit.
Your words implied fixing the problem by firing people while quoting the part about the ATC shortage. It is at a minimum disingenuous.
No. An intelligent and honest person would understand the context and would not be so quick to jump to erroneous conclusions about what I said or implied.
I'd be willing to bet EVERYONE who read your comment inferred that you were saying Trump fired Air Traffic Controllers. It's the obvious implication, whether you intended it that way or not.
Shrike doesn't even read the quote in his own comment. Lol.
You implied that and we're not fooled, you TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit.
Are they? I think there are plenty of people employed by the FAA who are not on track to become ATCs.
They are firing people who could become air traffic controllers
Based on what? haha.
Disingenuous and then creating your own interpretation in your head. Funny stuff.
Oh fuck off. I'm not the one guilty of misinterpretations,. Your fellow cultists made the error you now compound. But it is a fact that ATCs serve a probationary period.
Not that only ATCs are critical to operations, of course.
Get reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped broomstick, you waste of oxygen.
If you worked as the water boy for the Kansas City Chiefs, and they fired you, they would be firing their potential future starting QB.
That's the logic of SRG2.
Cite that they would become ATC? Oh you have none. You pulled that out of your ass. Either that or your a moron who thinks everyone at the FAA is ATC (hint most are just bureaucrats pushing paper, like all government agencies).
How many Air Traffic Controllers did Trump fire, Diet Shrike? How many Aircraft Inspection Team members?
Where did I say that were firing air traffic controllers? They are firing people who could become air traffic controllers, you cultist fuckwit.
"...people who could become air traffic controllers..."
And you would know this how, fuckface? You reckon they have more brains than you, asshole?
What are you trying to pull? Your implication is clear. You don't get to condition it afterwards.
"failed for four years to address the air traffic controller shortage. Fortunately Trusk or Mump are fixing that shortage by firing people."
Privatize air traffic control. No reason for the government to be involved.
EXACLY let the airlines pay for it and if there are too many crashes guess what people will switch to trains or driving.
But the haphazard nature of the layoffs is affecting real, useful government functions.
Now that things are being cut government is suddenly useful? What happend to the call for the next president to abolish everything.
I'm still in the group who finds them all expendable.
Oblivious or disingenuous? Bari Weiss makes a false distinction between the "center-left" and the "far-left".
The “center-left” are those who are perfectly fine with whatever the Far Left does, until it costs them votes. See: Maher, B, and Carville, J
Maher is so close everyday to admitting the obvious, but the caricature built into his head of Trump is still to strong for him to get past his revulsion for it.
I would bet the majority (perhaps vast majority) of his audience, though, detests Trump. It could be that he sees that Trump isn't the caricature of Hitler he previously made him out to be, but if he admits it to his audience, he fears losing them. Or he could just have a raging case of TDS. Who knows?
Definitely both.
The thing is he's probably the best candidate to reintroduce sanity back to the late boomer and early Gen X liberals.
I think in 10 years they are going to be where the conservatives are today on the Bush years. They still won't like Trump, but they'll realize how badly they were lied to.
Nothing about Birx admitting that the COVID vaccine was never designed to prevent transmission nor that it was never intended for the public at large but only for the most at-risk folks?
It was designed to make money.
^this.
After that it was all about logistics of how to maximize profit. Public health was never part of the equation
@LizWolfe....Ms. Wolfe, I realize your a young lady, so I will temper my comments. As an aside, I enjoy Just Asking Questions, and yeah, I tune in.
Elon's Amazing Autists, or Elon Gated's Army, or The Hairy Balls Bunch is doing something that hasn't really been done before, at a breakneck pace. In less than one month, they've help send USAID (and associated funded NGOs), CPFB (and funded NGOs) into the woodchipper and turned them into wood chips; and, identified redundant contracts and recommended cancellation; and, corrected our procedures (mandatory payment code, payment explanation, account charged) to allow for audits.
They work for free, 120 hours weekly. For fucking free. Any of The Hairy Balls Bunch could be pulling down 7 figures, but no, they choose to work for free and make a difference. And you want to bitch about it from the sidelines? Really? C'mon (wo)man!
The ROI here is phenomenal. And they haven't even started on SSA, Medicare, or the Pentagon.
I don't think you are quite looking at this with the proper scale of reference. Not even Reagan whacked the bureaucracy like this.
And they are just getting started. It has only been one month. 🙂
+1
If Reason and our resident drunk had their druthers;
- First a proposal would be written and several committees and sub-committees would be created to review the proposal for viability.
- Then various government departments would analyze where cuts could be made in their departments and send their suggestions to the committees for review.
- Then a report would be created and submitted to the house for review, a house committee would then make recommendations, and a bill may be drafted.
- After the midterms someone will hopefully advance the bill, which gets progressively shorter as it goes through the process.
- Eventually the bill is approved and almost one hundred million in cuts across the board. A libertarian triumph.
This is the True Libertarian way this should have been handled.
- Eventually the bill is approved and almost one hundred *dollars* in cuts across the board. A libertarian triumph.
Pretty sure that would be the result.
Remember the "cuts" would be measured from the expected growth not from the prior year baseline, so this 100M in "cuts" would actually be a spending increase of ~500M.
You guys are pretty optimistic. I would expect only $100 million added to the budget.
Eventually the bill is approved and spending is increased by ONLY 3.5% instead of 4%. A libertarian triumph.
Actually, given the way Congress has worked for the past fifty years, it wouldn't be $100 million dollars cut. It will just be $100 million less growth over the next ten years, which will get erased the next budget fight.
+100
They are only doing what most people would recommend to a friend or family member up to their eyeballs in debt:
1. Track where every penny is being spent
2. Immediately stop spending on anything you know you don't need
3. Start prioritizing and reducing amount spent in any remaining categories
But the haphazard nature of the layoffs is affecting real, useful government functions."
Well if the democrats had shown any inclination to help it would not be so clumsy but Trump found out the hard way that they refuse to work with this administration and that leaves him with this only option
The DMV thinks they are useful.
Welcome to how layoffs work 101 - the rest of us have been here since 2020 when those currently affected crashed our economy.
"DOGE, though off to a good start"
why in the world are you cheerleading these numbnuts?? they are emphatically NOT off to a good start. they are creating chaos and randomly cutting people and programs. a GOOD start would be cutting those things that have long since been identified as wasteful, not haphazardly eliminating functions that are needed and even prescribed in the constitution as federal roles. DOGE is failing in pretty much every aspect of what it would take to have a "good start", and I say that as someone who wholeheartedly supports what they claim their intent to be. but I'm watching them use questionable methods, without legal authority, to do things that courts will inevitably reverse, and that will cost taxpayers more in the long run than if we just left the waste in place. that is 180 out from a "good start".
Those "numbnuts" and their "chaos" is what is needed for the government to scale down itself. There's nothing random about what they're cutting, and they've shown the receipts. Perhaps you can tell us what you what cuts you object to so much?
There's also nothing illegal with what they're doing--everything is happening within the executive branch, which Trump is the head of, and is free to dismiss anyone he feels is not forwarding his mission.
You also left out the fact that no taxpayer money is being used for the operations, and that the "numbnuts" are doing this voluntarily. All this stuff is coming out of Elon's pocket.
You are not as intelligent as you believe with what you post. Everything is pointing to you as full of stupidity.
"(Again, file this under better than nothing!)"
are you serious?? how is it 'better than nothing' to negotiate with a nation that attacked its neighbor without provocation to steal their stuff without any input from the neighbor who has been wronged?? helping a predator solidify their ill-gotten gains is not in any way a win and not at all better than nothing.
Yes. Better to make efforts at ending the war than letting it continue with our tax money being used so wantonly. It's not the U.S. nor Russia's fault that neither Ukraine nor the rest of Europe wanted to participate.
You really shouldn't defend continued participation in a proxy war.
The next-largest items are three USAID contracts for $655 million each. The only issue is that they're a specific type of contract that has been triple-counted, so the savings are unfortunately not massive.
Oh, well, I mean, if it's not "massive", can we put it on your credit card? Because I have to admit, that's higher than mine would accept.
"They're new at this all and they can't get everything right. Is there a way to do this that's not chaotic?"
Liz has this exactly backwards. Musk is not new to layoffs, and no you can't have a RIF without chaos. It is the Gov't that is new to this, and it is the Gov't that isn't responding well, and it is the Gov't that needs to adjust, and it is the Gov't that needs to have the expertise to survive this.
The howling from Leviathan is sweet, sweet, music. The mewling from the sycophants as they beat their bowls and spoons is an angelic chorus.
The private sector figured this out a long time ago.
"Reason" writers seem to be having a very bad year for understanding the concept of "useful." In what way were the fired 300 FAA probationary employees useful at preventing those air traffic accidents? Did those accidents happen AFTER the 300 were fired or before? Do you understand that "cause" must PRECEDE the "effect", or you're not allowed to call it a cause? On a more abstract note: what if those Agriculture Department employees who were working to contain the bird flu epidemic should not have been working to contain the bird flu epidemic? Or the Forestry employees who were working to contain wildfires should not have been working to contain wildfires? Are they still "useful?" Should the FAA be tasked with ensuring the safety of airline traffic? You seem to be straying further and further from libertarian principles here lately, guys!