Did Biden Blow the Best Chance of Preventing War in Ukraine?
While the U.S. publicly insisted on an “open door” policy, Zelenskyy says he was privately told that Ukraine couldn’t join NATO.

The Trump administration caused a shock on both sides of the Atlantic last week by claiming that North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) membership for Ukraine is not "a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement" for the war there. European countries said that they were still committed to having Ukraine in NATO. European Union chief diplomat Kaja Kallas said today that there should be no agreement "about Ukraine without Ukraine."
Former U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton even claimed that President Donald Trump has "effectively surrendered" to Russian demands. If so, it's a surrender that former President Joe Biden reportedly made before the war even began. While publicly insisting on NATO's "open door" policy, and refusing to negotiate with Russia on the issue, Biden privately told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in 2021 that Ukraine wouldn't join the alliance, Zelenskyy revealed on Friday.
"My first phone call with President Biden and my first question, will we be in NATO? He said, no, no. And I said, we will see," Zelenskyy said at the Munich Security Conference in Germany last week, referring to his first conversation with Biden in April 2021. "But to be very honest, United States, they never saw us in NATO. They just spoke about it. But they really didn't want us in NATO. It's true."
Biden himself told CNN in 2023 that there is no "unanimity in NATO about whether or not to bring Ukraine into the NATO family now, at this moment, in the middle of a war." (German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said something similar last year.) But Biden also said in the CNN interview that there must be "a rational path for Ukraine to be able to qualify to be able to get into NATO" and that he refused Russian demands to close the open door policy on principle.
By Zelenskyy's account, the door was never really open, and Biden was sticking to NATO's right to do something it never really intended to do. That approach may have been the worst of both worlds. The Russian government was convinced that NATO intended to use Ukraine as a weapon against Russia, while Ukrainians themselves were left in limbo. In fact, the invitation for Ukraine to join the alliance—just not now—may have given Russia an incentive to attack as quickly as it could and drag the war out as long as possible.
"We hear that Ukraine is not ready to join NATO; we know that. At the same time, they say it's not going to join tomorrow," Russian President Vladimir Putin told reporters a week before the invasion. "But by the time they get ready for it, it may be too late for us. So we have to decide this question now, right now, in the very near future."
At the time, the Biden administration insisted that there was no need to negotiate on NATO membership, because it was irrelevant to Russian security.
"We made clear to the Russians that we were willing to talk to them on issues that we thought were genuine concerns they have that were legitimate in some way, I mean arms control type things of that nature," Biden administration official Derek Chollet said in an April 2022 interview, two months after the invasion began. He argued that the war "was not about NATO" and "NATO is not a threat to Russia."
Officials on both sides of the Atlantic later admitted that Ukraine in NATO really was Putin's issue. U.S. Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines told Congress in May 2023 that Russia's "immediate ambitions" were "ensuring that Ukraine will never become a NATO ally." NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told the European Parliament in September 2023 that Putin had sent him a document asking for "no more NATO enlargement" as "a pre-condition for not invade [sic] Ukraine" a few months before the war.
NATO leaders have argued that closing the open door would infringe on Ukraine's sovereign right to "choose its own destiny." But an alliance is a two-way street. Every NATO member is committed to defending every other NATO member, which is why accepting new members requires a unanimous vote within the alliance. Committing French or American troops to defend Ukraine was never a Ukrainian decision alone.
After three years of war, Ukraine is less independent than it ever had been. Russia has not only conquered but also formally annexed large chunks of Ukrainian land. Ukraine is now dependent on foreign aid just to keep the state running, not to mention an estimated $486 billion in future reconstruction costs. Although the U.S. and European countries are planning to provide Ukraine with a "security guarantee" after the war, it would come in the form of foreign peacekeeping troops rather than NATO membership on equal terms.
The war has not really been a victory for Russia, either. The possibility of having a friendly, docile Ukraine on Russia's borders is gone for good. With NATO countries' help, Ukraine has bombed inside Russia (including today) and even captured Russian territory. Putin's warnings became a self-fulfilling prophecy. Across the region, Finland and Sweden have both joined NATO in response to the war.
Of course, the greatest cost comes in the scores of Ukrainians and Russians who were killed or permanently maimed. Casualty rates are a state secret in both countries, but independent estimates show that around 100,000 Ukrainians and 150,000 Russians had been killed by the end of November 2024. Every one of those deaths was a tragedy and a waste.
Putting Ukraine's future NATO membership on the table might not have been enough to avert war. Russia's demands on NATO and Ukraine may have proven impossible to satisfy in the end. But refusing to even discuss the central issue—essentially giving up before even trying—guaranteed that the war would break out. The fact that the United States did not even want Ukraine in NATO makes this stubbornness all the more wasteful.
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This is Joe biden’s fault. All of it.
Nuland et al would like a word. Biden is evil, but still just an evil puppet.
Former U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton
Nobody sane gives a fuck what the War Walrus said.
I think you're discounting the contributions of people going all the way back to Bush I. Possibly only Clinton.
100 fucking percent. And in every way.
Yes, he did. He told zelknski to not agree to the peace treaty that Ukraine and Russia agreed to back in 2022.
Also in the entire war, only one country has attacked nato allies. Ukraine bombed Poland and Germany.
Well the US did attack Germany's energy supply by blowing up the Nordstream pipeline.
Yeah, that was an act of war if there ever was one.
The US did no such thing.
Russia blew it up because Russian petrochemical engineering capability is shite. Cold hydrate buildups in the pipeline and poor startup procedure plus bad maintenance and *boom!*
Why do you think Russia didn't make a lot of noise about it?
Conveniently, Trump has the authority to declassify everything we know and make it all public.
I would certainly like the truth.
BS
By not sending Harris to negotiate? At one point she was going to resolve the issue, but I think that was the day she visited the border in Texas.
All that wasted time learning about the size of each country for Kamala.
He likely secured money laundering deals that helped fund the DNC and enrich his family. He didn't blow anything. He succeeded.
Getting Ukraine into NATO while simultaneously getting the US out of NATO would be yet another epic troll-level pwnage move from the undisputed king of them.
The US and Europe have divergent defense needs.
Europe has no business relying on the US to defend against Russia.
Europe is of no use in a potential conflict with China.
Honestly, this is the first time I've considered that we really should pull out of NATO. It's an unnecessary entanglement and a lie.
As Adans smith hints at below, kind of a libertarian v. globalist litmus test as Adans smith hints at below. If you think NATO should've stuck around after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the breakup of the USSR, whether you're a neocon or a progressive liberal or whatever other identifier... you're a globalist. OK if you didn't really think about it at all, but if you looked at it and didn't at least legitimately question "Why Turkey? Or Italy? Or why the UK but not Ireland?" and were just like "Yup. This we'll defend." you're a globalist. *Especially* after "The Coalition of The Willing" appeared virtually overnight.
I was saying in the early 90's that NATO had done it's job and it was time to end it. Guess I was right.
Senator Robert Taft voted against the US joining NATO.
Eisenhower said in 1951 that if US forces were still in Europe in 10 years the alliance would be a failure. NATO was doomed from the start.
Are we still pretending the US didn't orchestrate a coup in Ukraine in 2014?
Seems that way. That "friendly docile Ukraine" that Petti imagines actually existed before Nuland and the Obama neocons decided it would be fun to poke the bear.
They failed to lock that bear in a trunk.
Are we also forgetting that Russia ordered the assassination attempt of Victor Yushenko back in 2004?
Fact is Russia has rightly, from their perspective at least, seen Ukraine as an integral part of Russia that should never have been allowed to leave. Either by subterfuge or by war, they were going to reclaim Ukraine.
Eitherway not Americas problem, we should be keeping our distance from either of them.
Oh the Ukranians have more than sufficient reasons to have a major beef with the Russians. And that justifies our meddling in 2014 how exactly?
Without the coup, the Ukranians would currently be living under the rule of a Russian puppet. With the coup, the Ukranians are currently living under the rule of an American puppet, and also living in a war zone, and also having seen a million plus of their young men killed in the war.
So...
1994 trialateral agreement, the US gave security assurances to Ukraine and bailed out the Russians. The Russians broke the agreement, not the US. All of the blood is on Russian hands - blaming the US for the evils of Russia is fucking retard. People standing up for their own defense is justified.
100%. If I had any lingering appetite for nation building, the Bushies stomped that out 15-20 years ago. But I can simultaneously not want American troops on the ground abroad and not want my tax money spent in foreign war zones while still being able to acknowledge who the bad guy is the fight.
Putin is evil and Russia is entirely at fault. I don't appreciate the blank checks for Ukraine, but I am more than happy to sell them our deadliest weapons. Particularly those that can reach into Russia and kill as many commies and oligarchs as possible. Shameful that "President" Biden didn't approve them at the outset when they would have made a bigger difference.
Many on the left certainly are - this war was avoidable - hopefully Trump will end it soon...
*ctrl-f boris 0/0*
*ctrl-f johnso 0/0*
Failing to prevent the war in Ukraine lies at the feet of many, many Western Liberal players.
"In fact, the invitation for Ukraine to join the alliance—just not now—may have given Russia an incentive to attack as quickly as it could and drag the war out as long as possible."
Bullshit. NATO membership for Ukraine was a red line for Russia long before the idiot adult in the room that Reason endorsed seized power. This war is a border dispute that would have been resolved with a fraction of the bloodshed that we've see. It was the assholes that were actually in charge of the Biden regime who wanted this war and wanted it to drag out as long as possible.
And sporting a Ukrainian flag became a virtue signal for every good liberal Democrat. So political semantics took preference over avoidance of a war that has cost some 250,000 lives.
Seems to world has flip flopped; Republicans are pro free speech and want to cut defense spending while Democrats are pro censorship and hawkish war mongers.
Seems to world has flip flopped; Republicans are pro free speech and want to cut defense spending while Democrats are pro censorship and hawkish war mongers.
Or one side had both principles and libertarian tendencies that they were forced to reconcile after the WOT and the other side has never had neither principles nor libertarian tendencies nor any sort of reconciliation.
250,000 lives
You're about 750,000 lives behind.
I still believe the biggest assholes are in the UK trying to pretend they're still a Great Power and are playing the Great Game and are almost, if not as good as Israel at persuading the US to fight their wars for them.
The UK can blow me. But explain how we fight Israel's wars for them exactly. Because we sell them arms made in America for a massive profit? How many US soldiers have been slaughtered in Israel vs, say, Afghanistan?
If you want to complain about foreign aid, be my guest. We've seen how much of that is fraudulent recently. But don't pretend Isreal isn't the baddest little ass in the world's deadliest sandbox. They are welcome to eradicate as many radical Islamist caveman freaks as they can, and if they want to follow up with retribution on Germany afterwards, I won't lose any sleep over it.
Why would NATO ever admit Ukraine? Given the treaty's requirement that an attack on one NATO country be treated as an attack on all, admitting Ukraine is pretty-much guaranteeing a war with Russia.
admitting Ukraine is pretty-much guaranteeing a war with Russia.
You'll go far in this world.
Nope.
Old Joe did nothing wrong, because he did nothing.
Now, someone, somewhere, who was actually running the country while Biden napped in the White House for damn sure screwed the pooch, but it wasn't him.
Russia was going to invade anyhow, the NATO thing is just a smokescreen. Biden could have prevented the war by insisting that Ukraine join NATO.
The threat of Ukraine actually joining nato caused the war, along with the biden family corruption.
Hard no on both. Putin has wanted to annex Ukraine for quite a while.
Don't be stupid. Every time Putin has attacked a neighbor it was first proceeded with an offer of NATO membership.
1. What other country has Russia attacked?
2. A sovereign country wanting to join NATO is in no way an acceptable reason to engage in a war of aggression.
Nobody said it was an acceptable reason.
>1. What other country has Russia attacked?
*Eeeeeexcatly*
>2. A sovereign country wanting to join NATO is in no way an acceptable reason to engage in a war of aggression.
Why not?
If Mexico wanted to join the Warsaw Pact you think we would have just stood by? We almost went to war when the SU tried to put missiles in Cuba.
I mean, Georgia.
Communist by their very ideology are evil though. Keeping communist off your doorstep is 100% morally justified.
And since we bailed them out after their communist paradise failed, its really hard for them to act like we are some conquering nation.
Georgia
And had two wars in Chechnya
Also very much engaged in the breakaway province of Trannastra(spelling) in Moldova
you're so uninformed...
What other country indeed... SMH
Putin invaded because……..
1. Biden strangled energy production. Sending petroleum futures prices soaring, thus fueling Russia’s war machine. Which would have been infeasible otherwise.
2. Putin saw how poorly conceived and executed the Biden version of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan unfolded.
3, Biden and NATO did nothing to counter the entire five month Russian military buildup in the Ukraine border. Instead waiting for Russia to invade.
THAT is what caused the war. And 100% of this is on Biden’s head. And yours by extension for voting for, and supporting him.
You have the blood of a million people on your hands.
What caused the war is Putin, who invaded. Period. What made him believe he could invade was the fecklessness of President Puddingbrains. Elections have consequences, even if their legitimacy is dubious.
Not surprised - but you are completely ass backwards.
Though there is some blame for previous GOP administrations as well - basically everyone after and including Clinton missed a huge chance at international peace by isolating Russia - who literally asked to join NATO at one time...
It could have been NATO - including Russia - in opposition to China. This is, IMO, the long game that Trump is playing.
Given that the USA is the lion's share of NATO and Germany can barely find three rocks to throw at people, their desires about Ukraine joining are immaterial.
At this point, NATO has outlived its usefulness. It's been a horrifying waste of our money and most of Europe has been quite unwilling to honor their part.
If Europe is more important to us than it is to Europe, why are we wasting our time?
Let’s go Brandon!
He's already gone....for years.
You think NATO would have gone to war over Ukraine, Petti?
How about this - Biden screwed up by *publicly* saying Ukraine could join NATO while privately not being willing to back that up.
Russia wants a) port in Ukraine for sea access and, b) A buffer between them and NATO.
If Biden had been willing to *publicly* state that Ukraine couldn't join NATO that takes care of b) and a) could have been handled by treaty - lease some space for a base like we do with Cuba. Yeah, its an effectively permanent lease, but at least Cuba still gets some money for it.
Russia had a a lease on Sevastopol and it was threatened after the 2014 coup. That's why they took Crimea with hardly a shot being fired and the overwhelming consent of the population. When the Soviet Union fell Crimea wanted autonomy and to continue as a Russian Port/naval base but instead they ended up as part of Ukraine w/ no autonomy.
Kudos - 2 people that understand how we got to this point...
Maybe because lines were drawn on a map, that doesn't mean those lines are forced to remain there for eternity.
Let's just assume you're a country with a large land area, valuable resources, and a stretch of valuable coastline. You need to a) be very friendly with your immediate neighbors, b) able to more than defend yourself against your immediate neighbors, or c) both. Otherwise, your most powerful neighbor is going to be jealous of those resources and that coastline and will want to own it for themselves.
That's essentially what happened here. Russia has historic claims to most of Ukraine and the Crimea. Of course, Poland and Lithuania also have historic claims. The Austrian Empire had claims on parts of Ukraine. This is why Europe is such a mess, lands have been ruled by many different administrations over the years. The European idea of stateship goes all the way back to medieval rulers, in which the King is the state, so any lands controlled by the king are the kingdom, regardless of any identity the commoners have.
That said, Ukraine probably should be its own country-there's been a region recognized as Ukraine for at least 500 years, perhaps more. But for the vast majority of those years it did not own the Crimea, that was largely invented by the formation of the Soviet Union and in the Bolshevik Civil War when several little regions were breaking away from Russian control. Ultimately the lines of modern Ukraine were drawn during that conflict as several different governments were formed, fought, broke away, and then were subsumed under the control of Lenin until the Whites were finally broken in Siberia.
All this to say: borders are abstractions. They aren't meant to be permanent fixtures that never change. The US shouldn't be trying to enforce the maps drawn up by American mapmakers.
This is why Europe is such a mess, lands have been ruled by many different administrations over the years.
I realize you point this out, but it should be stated explicitly: "Years" in this case means "Spans of time most Americans have a difficult time truly grokking". We're talking about people who in some cases are still mad about shit that happened 1200 years ago. The original Rus are dudes who were working for Rome as the Varangian Guard.
Just ask the Armenians of the Republic of Artsakh how permanent possession of a particular chunk of land is.
I was trying to work in a Sabaton reference here, but then the winged hussars arrived.
Ukraine's one major mistake was abandoning it's nuclear deterrent under pressure from American "nuclear non-proliferation" (i.e. disarmament) pressure. The nuclear disarmament officials will burn in hell for all eternity, but it's too late to save Ukraine from a devastating war with Russian aggressors now.
The mistake the US made re NATO since forever was not rethinking NATO's purpose over time. Hastings Ismay (the first Secretary General of NATO) had the pithiest reason for its existence - to keep the Germans down, the Russians out, and the Americans in.
Throughout the Cold War, there was no reason to change anything. Those three are why NATO is the most successful military alliance ever.
When Germany reunited, there was a serious need to rethink what a German role in NATO would look like. But a more serious role than the divided eunuch that it had been during the Cold War. We failed in large part because it was easy for Germany to remain simply diminished.
When the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact collapsed, there was almost no serious thinking as to how best to restructure stuff to prevent Russia from eventually reconstituting its centuries long irredentism, expansionism, revanchism, etc.
Had America worked on both of those, then it would have solved the third purpose of NATO. Both of those could be done without much ongoing American involvement. Succeeding at that would have meant we could've declared victory and had a big coming home victory parade. Jeane Kirkpatrick (Reagan's uberhawk) even wrote a wonderful essay about that - A Normal Country in Normal Times in 1990.
Our - meaning every single entity in the US that has - or should have - spent any time in the last 40 years thinking about US foreign policy - failure is why we are where are re Ukraine and NATO and even Trump as a reaction to the deep state failures.
If America EVER had a valid interest in NATO it ended when the Warsaw Pact and the CCCP dissolved. Our one and only mistake was not immediately dropping out of NATO at that point.
Vice presidents don't fly to another country to personally threaten to cut off aid if they don't fire a prosecutor looking into a business that hired his son.
It does not matter that others also wanted the prosecutor fired. It is clearly a conflict of interest and I'm not aware of one other similar incident. There is no forgiving the media for not scrutinizing this, while they got all worked up over Vance lecturing Europe on free speech.
Sometimes in the near future, I fully expect new details to emerge on why Biden meddled in Ukraine the way he did. The guy is as crooked as he comes. Obama, for whatever his fault, did not drag us into war over Russia taking over Crimea. Either Biden was hiding something, or someone behind the scenes urged him to go all in.
Again, this is not the first time Russia invaded other territories. We've funded proxy wars, but not this degree. It's inconceivable that America didn't try to negotiate with Putin even ONCE, while we held all sorts of dialogue with Iran.
The democrats are making too much money off of the war aid skim. They’re dead set against anything that ends the war. Even if another ten million people are killed.
"There is no forgiving the media"
Who wants to forgive the media?
Biden: one of history's worst people
Really, $350 Billion taken from Americans to piss away on the Ukraine. Really !!!!!
did-biden-blow-the-best-chance-of-preventing-war-in-ukraine
If it meant becoming president you can bet Kamala would have blown it..
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"European countries said that they were still committed to having Ukraine in NATO"
Good! I fully support NATO accepting Ukraine's application to join - tomorrow would be great! Ukraine can have the United States' seat at the NATO table - again, tomorrow would be great! Once Ukraine is a member of NATO and the United States of America is no longer a member of NATO, the Europeans can decide if and how to support Ukraine's war to expel the Russian invaders or negotiate a peace without Trump ... and how to fund NATO and EU defense.
"Did Biden Blow the Best Chance of Preventing War in Ukraine?"
He did, but at least his investment in Burisma is safe.
The warmongers don't care about loss of life. More blood means more money to them.