Brickbat: Start From the Beginning

Mississippi state Sen. Bradford Blackmon (D–Attala)* has introduced a bill that would make it "unlawful for a person to discharge genetic material without the intent to fertilize an embryo." He calls it the "Contraception Begins at Erection Act." It would impose fines on violators, including $10,000 for a third time offense. "All across the country, especially here in Mississippi, the vast majority of bills relating to contraception and/or abortion focus on the woman's role when men are fifty percent of the equation," Blackmon said in a statement. "This bill highlights that fact and brings the man's role into the conversation. People can get up in arms and call it absurd but I can't say that bothers me."

 

*CORRECTION: This article has been updated to reflect Blackmon's district location.

Comments

[Adans smith]

That guy's a real jack off.

[Wizard4169]

If this bans masturbation, I'm pretty sure I long ago jacked myself into a life sentence.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Blackmon for Pope!

[Adans smith]

Every sperm is sacred .

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Every sperm is great.

[Wizard4169]

Every time that you waste sperm, God gets so irate.

[Mickey Rat]

Another brain dead false equivalency by a pro-abortion politician who , for some reason, thinks he is clever.

[Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)]

Yes. Because there's a biologically scientific case to be made that a blastocyst is an individual life form. A shot of sploge will never develop into a complete human body like a blastocyst inevitably will.

This is uneducated, elementary school tier sophistry, that will only trick retards like Sarckles.

[TJJ2000]

Are other State-Enslaved female bodies to 'develop' what you want individuals or just your own personal 'development' factory?

An egg (fertilized or not) will never develop into a complete human body all by itself.

[Vernon Depner]

like a blastocyst inevitably will.

Wrong. About 60% of blastocysts fail to develop into viable embryos.

[See.More]

Wrong. About 60% of blastocysts fail to develop into viable embryos.

And those 60% are obviously the victim's of criminal neglect or negligence, or murder. Prosecute the womb-bearer to the fullest!!

[end]sarcastic reductio ad absurdum

[mad.casual]

About 60% of blastocysts fail to develop into viable embryos.

You either don't know what you're talking about and/or are regurgitating propaganda. The assertion doesn't even stand to simple reason. But, then, we're used to the dishonest distortions of fact and outright lies from people like you.

First, a fertilized egg isn't an blastocyst and a blastocyst isn't an embryo. It's entirely possible that 60% of fertilized eggs don't develop into embryos, but then the only people talking about regulating women's menses are people like you.

Second, the medically recognized miscarriage rate is on the order of 10-20%. Without considerable massaging, your number doesn't jive with realized outcomes. To your own dishonesty and propagandizing against common sense, it's entirely possible that Woman A gets pregnant and conceives once while Woman B miscarries 5-6 times bringing the ratio closer to what you describe but, again, the only people talking about sifting through women's menses, arresting women for miscarrying and, now, keeping tabs on men's ejaculate, are the people you support.

Third, derivative to the above, these numbers are speculative from IVF and similar treatments, not based on any sort of real world understanding or observation. Moreover, critical to the retardation that you morons continue to sperg dunk about: just because 60% of accidental stabbings aren't fatal doesn't mean we should legalize intentionally stabbing people to death. It just means we shouldn't arrest and convict people who obviously tripped and fell on a/the knife, which we generally don't.

[mad.casual]

pro-abortion politician

Cold reading, it didn't make sense. No politician in their right mind, who wasn't concerned that Guam might tip over, would do this.

Then the realization that, yes, this sounds *exactly* like the sort of mental-midget sperg dunk a pro-abortionist like ENB would make.

Are you trying to convince people you're an authoritarian asshat or that you just really, really want to kill babies.

[TJJ2000]

Never-mind it is the most Pro-Life legislation written to date.
"Are you trying to convince people you're an authoritarian asshat"?
I don't know; is Pro-Life aiming for that?

[Jimbo BTR]

Incels hardest hit!

(It's prima facie unconstitutional because it discriminates against men. Women don't "deposit" genetic material. Plus, I doubt he's going to get much support for making jerking off a crime. And, most women won't support making wearing a condom illegal. This guy sounds like he needs a retroactive abortion. I'd suggest a lobotomy but, it sounds like he's already had one.)

[Bubba Jones]

Prosecute women for menstruating

[DRM]

Oh, yes.

Even if the biologically-ignorant phrase "genetic material" in his bill were replaced by "gametes", this bill would outlaw any discharge of an egg for a purpose other than reproduction. Women between puberty and menopause would be obliged to either be perpetually pregnant or perpetually on ovulation-suppressing drugs.

Incredibly stupid for what was supposedly a bill about the male role in reproduction, eh?

This moron doesn't know enough biology to be entitled to even have an opinion on any reproductive issues of any kind.

[Ajsloss]

This moron doesn't know enough biology

Didn't you see the (D) after his name?

[See.More]

Didn't you see the (D) after his name?

Pretty clear evidence this proposal is a stunt; an exercise in reductio ad absurdum.

[TJJ2000]

This (D) Senator is more Pro-Life than any of you! /s
Stop KILLING babies! /s

[SQRLSY]

Whoa!!! FINALLY a law under which we could punish The Donald for humping Queen Spermy Daniels!!!

[LarryB]

While he's at, why doesn't he introduce bills to make pi equal to 3, repeal the law of gravity, etc. Makes just as much sense.

I'd like to see how he's going to stop adolescent boys.

[Michael Ejercito]

It is as if they feel that it is unfair that only women get pregnant.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Duh. If that is not proof of systemic oppressive male patriarchy meanness, then what is?

[TJJ2000]

What happened to Women are killing ?babies? /s
Now it's just a pregnancy?

[Medulla Oblongata]

"only women get pregnant"

ACLU: not so fast my friend!

Back in 2021:

The nonprofit tweeted the tribute to the “champion” of “gender equality” on Saturday — the first anniversary of her death — saying, “We miss you, RBG. Your legacy lives on in this fight.”

The ACLU then posted one of Ginsburg’s famous quotes, but altered five sections to make women “people” and all pronouns “they” or “their.”

“The decision whether or not to bear a child is central to a [person’s] life, to [their] well-being and dignity,” the altered quote read, hiding Ginsburg’s original use of “woman” and “her.”

“When the government controls that decision for [people], [they are] being treated as less than a fully adult human responsible for [their] own choices,” the ACLU posted, again hiding “her” and “she.”

More properly:

"The decision whether or not to bear a child is central to a woman's life, to her well-being and dignity. It is a decision she must make for herself. When the government controls that decision for her, she is being treated as less than a full adult human responsible for her own choices." ― Ruth Bader Ginsburg

The ACLU did think about their error...and then basically doubled down...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/us/aclu-apologizes-ginsburg-quote.html

"The organization acknowledged that changing the context from women to men was a mistake – albeit with a noble intention.

Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said Monday he regretted that a Tweet recently replaced the words of a famous quote from the late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg sent by her organization.

Mr Romero first mentioned his regrets in an interview with Michelle Goldberg, columnist, who wrote a column that spoke of the danger of trying to “change the nature of reality through language alone”.

Mr Romero has recently spoken out about the hoarseness of liberal and leftist ideas that sometimes pervades the ACLU’s social media feeds and is sometimes in need of reform.

While he vowed that the ACLU would not repeat the error, he insisted it was “not a random mistake.” There are people who are pregnant and who want an abortion, he said, who do not identify as women.

“My colleagues do a fantastic job of trying to understand the reality that people seeking abortions aren’t the only women,” he said. “That reality exists.”

He said, the ACLU could touch on this emerging reality, which includes identity, Gender and language, without tampering with Justice Ginsberg’s quote. “In today’s America,” he said, “language sometimes needs to be reconsidered.”

[Moonrocks]

All across the country, especially here in Mississippi, the vast majority of bills relating to contraception and/or abortion focus on the woman's role

And all the laws relating to child support focus on the man's role in child rearing. This is perhaps the dumbest pro-abortion argument out there.

[TJJ2000]

What do you think that sperm is if it's not a 'child'!!! /s
Stop killing children! /s

Poking fun at Pro-Life is what this proposition is all about.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Yes! Anyone who thinks he's serious is a moron. Sure it's a dumb bill. That's his whole point. He may be pro- or anti-abortion and contraceptives, I do not know, and I don't care. I say he's got a sense of humor and that's rare in politicians.

[DRM]

It's not so much the intentional stupidity of the bill that's the problem, it's the unintentional.

If the bill as written only banned ejaculation without attempting to fertilize, it would merely be a lame attempt at a joke.

In fact, since the bill doesn't specify that the discharge has to be from a human body, and it doesn't specify that the material has to be human genetic material, it bans, hell, all sorts of things.

"No, we can't open the sluice on the irrigation system; the water isn't sterilized, so it contains genetic material, so we can't discharge it into the channel."

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Since when do jokes require precision or accuracy?

You must be a real fun party guest.

[DRM]

A satire or parody that isn't on-target is just lame.

In order to "highlight" the male role in reproduction, he proposed a bill that would outlaw menstruation . . . and urination . . . and irrigation systems.

But, hey, we know what he meant because he explicitly spelled out what he meant, so, good joke, sure.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

People tell bad jokes all the time. Do you take them literally?

Go ahead, respond with an actual joke. Let's see your sense of humor.

[TJJ2000]

Irrigation systems? Is lawn water now banned too in Mississippi?
Just making sure everything is spelled out. /s

Everyone knows he's talking about sperm (male part). Insisting he spell it out is just a confusion tactic.

[mad.casual]

Proposing bills as jokes sounds both anti-libertarian and something someone who goes by the handle "Stupid Government Tricks" would/should oppose.

Unless, of course, they were advocating for the tricks like a person who identifies as "Stupid" would.

[Longtobefree]

Last time I checked, genetic material (DNA) is in urine, feces, tears, saliva - - - - - -

Gonna be a lot of uncomfortable people in Mississippi.

[DRM]

Yeah, this oh-so-clever legislator isn't a tenth as clever as he thinks he is.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

He's having more fun than almost every commenter here.

[Longtobefree]

And getting tax dollars for being an idiot - - - - - -

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Every politician is an idiot. And by definition, anyone who wants to be a politician is a wannabe Mao. Select legislators by random draw of all registered voters. Make the pay high enough that they can afford to uproot their life for 2-4-6 years.

[TJJ2000]

Yeah. Lets attack the person instead of the legislation.
And Nit-pick the definition of DNA when everyone knows what he means.
That'll fix it. /s

[Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)]

How embarrassing for him.

[SQRLSY]

Embarrassing for DLAM, who has becum undone? Becum totally delaminated?

[TJJ2000]

How so? His "moral standards" are above Pro-Life's.
No-one will be killing ?babies? with this legislation.
Now if only [WE] State moral busybody mobsters can get those rape laws repealed! /s
SHE doesn't get to chose to murder ?babies? every month!!! /s

[EdWard]

Is he religious? Has he read Song of Solomon!

[Kyle T]

And we wonder why Republicans lose elections immediately after gaining the majority.

[SQRLSY]

Mississippi state Sen. Bradford Blackmon (D–Jackson) ... Demon-Crap. I don't know for sure, but I bet it's just a publicity stunt. Zero chance of this being signed into law, and he knows it.

[Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)]

Explain what the "Republicans" are doing here.

This is a retarded Democrat sophist showboating because he's too scientifically illiterate to understand the difference between a sperm cell and a developing embryo.

[TJJ2000]

developing embryo?
I thought it was a baby?
My, my how the terminology changes so fast to fit ones "beliefs".

[See.More]

But... but... a developing [human] embryo cannot exist, naturally, without a sperm. Since both sperm and egg are required to create an embryo, we must well protect those with the same gusto!!

[Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)]

I guess everyone forgot females typically drop an egg every month.

[TJJ2000]

They natural preform ABORTIONS every month?!!!! OMG! /s
With the blood of their own human infants on their hands and all! /s

Murderers!!!! Charge them with Murder! /s

I'm filling the Pro-Life vibe today for some odd reason.

[TJJ2000]

What do you mean it's just an 'egg'. /s
The government needs to protect these "potential life" human-babies from dying! /s

...cause I got "moral standards"!!!! /s

[TJJ2000]

Indeed. Ironically the 'other' option is the very roots of the Pro-Life movement.
And not the one's who wrote Roe v Wade either.
Nor the one's who objected to the Cares Act.

So voting for the 'other' option does absolutely NO-GOOD at all.
What-ever Republicans F'Up on is guaranteed to pass.

Point being: 99.9% of Government oppression will have [D] support no matter which side is carrying the flag.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

What about lady dick emissions?

[SQRLSY]

Twat about THAT shit? Me-Thinks we need to appoint a multi-billion-dollar Blue Ribbon Government Almighty Cummittee to STUDY that question!

[Roberta]

Could someone here explain his point? Is he against contraception? Is there some existing or contemplated legislation against contraception that he's making fun of?

[SQRLSY]

I bet he's making fun of "every sperm is sacred" which is closely related to "every Fartilized Egg Smell is Sacred".

[mad.casual]

Not being able to *actually* read minds: it's a clap back against anti-abortion advocates who, in his mind, he thinks are going to go around sifting through women's menses for fertilized eggs and haul them off to prison. Rather than just, you know, advocating the totally normal position of "We shouldn't generally kill human things *on purpose*."

The pro-abortion crowd is notorious for this "into the abyss" thinking, if they have to defend a woman's right to bleed out from a back alley abortion, they will, whether that woman wants to or not.

[TJJ2000]

"We shouldn't generally kill human things *on purpose*."
Ya know like the potential "human life" in sperm?

Gov-Gun FORCE them to lock-it-up in their own bodies until my "faith" says it's okay to eject it.

And No. Pro-Choice is not trying to Gov-Gun FORCE abortion.
This is stupid legislation but it's no more stupid than the assertion you just made.

And thanks to Dobbs killing the 4A; Any of the above is on the 'democracy' table.

[Jerry B.]

So, calling someone a jackoff would be a criminal accusation, as well as an insult.

[TJJ2000]

Awe... Just pitching the NEXT-STEP for Pro-Life.

Once upon a time such legislation would be UN-Constitutional and obviously a violation of the 4A.
.... but thanks to Dobbs ....
It's up to the states to decide.

[TJJ2000]

adlib.... ".... but thanks to Dobbs" and Alito's "moral standards"...
I guess Sen. Bradford Blackmon (D–Jackson) got some "moral standards" as well.

[SRG2]

He seems to have trolled you lot effectively.

[Ron]

doesn't this also make menstrual cycles illegal. this person is an idiot

[TJJ2000]

"It's up to the [WE] mobs in States to decide!!!", Pro-Life.
Pro-Life. The clan that worships 'democracy' over a Supreme Law of Individual Rights.

Once upon a time Republicans wrote Roe v Wade under the Supreme Law (mostly).
Now too many just champion 'democracy' as bad as Democrats to get their tyrannical way.

[DRM]

Among other things.

If it said "gametes", it would simply also apply to menstrual cycles. Since it actually says "genetic material" (and it doesn't even limit it to human genetic material) it means pretty much anything discharged by a body under any circumstance.

[Medulla Oblongata]

How about the double standard that says that if a woman wants to abort the child but the father does not, she can ignore his desires and abort. It's her body, her choice.

But if he wants her to abort and she does not, and she can chose to have the child. It's her body, her choice.

But in the latter case she can force him to pay child support for 18 years.

In neither case do his desires ever come into play, legally he has no rights at all except having to pay 18 years of child support. It seems that, in terms of fairness--if "men are fifty percent of the equation"--in this later case the man should be absolved of the child support.

And I urge any potential father to demand DNA paternity test as soon as possible so that it is possible to avoid being forced to pay for some other man's discharged genetic material. Because the courts will fuck you.

[TJJ2000]

"But in *any* case she can force him to pay child support for 18 years." - You've found the problem.

Her body, Her choice (end of story) ... there should've never been excuses for 'armed-theft' against a requested/donated male party.

[Vernon Depner]

Yes, that needs to stop. If a man contributes a sperm cell to a woman's pregnancy, and he is not married to her and has not otherwise contracted to support any child she bears, then he should have no responsibility to support it. No one should ever be forced to be a parent—neither women nor men.

[mad.casual]

But in the latter case she can force him to pay child support for 18 years.

It should also be noted that this is, literally, federal law, FFnC.

That is, if the woman doesn't want to be guilty of abortion in TX, she can go to CA and get an abortion there. Whereas if the man doesn't want to be responsible for paternity in any state, there is no state to which he can go. Even being the son of a President and hiding out under your dead brother's name doesn't get you out of it.

[TJJ2000]

Yeah...
And since [WE] are all funding it; [WE] get to control it. Right?
Wonder how many Individual Rights are going to survive this test.

[Medulla Oblongata]

Has he never heard of nocturnal emissions? Does this attempt to make solo male masturbation illegal?

[MatthewSlyfield]

Forget absurd (which it is), it's unenforceable.

[TJJ2000]

Pro-Life ... Keeping the status-quo of Government tyranny alive...

And I quote directly out of the Dobbs SCOTUS ruling....
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"These attempts to justify abortion through appeals to a broader right to autonomy" ... "Those criteria, at a high level of generality, could license fundamental rights to illicit drug use, prostitution, and the like."

i.e. Heaven-forbid you have fundamental rights. Your 4A Individual Rights to 'own' your-selves can't be because drugs and prostitution!!!

"None of the other decisions cited by Roe and Casey involved the ***critical moral question*** posed by abortion. They are therefore in-apposite."

i.e. PLUS the 4A and 13A are VOID when it comes to "morals".
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And you thought Roe v Wade was Constitutionally UN-sound?
Morals, Drugs and Prostitution was literally the foundation of Dobbs.

It was a Next-Step of destroying Individual Rights based on previous destruction of Individual Rights.

...and that my friends is how the US Government just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf

[Vernon Depner]

men are fifty percent of the equation

Not even remotely. The man contributes a bit of information. The woman owns and operates the baby-making machinery, and the man has no say in whether she bears and keeps the baby. Fathers, try telling your wife that you contributed 50% to the making of your children. She will be laughing hysterically while clubbing you with a lamp.

[mad.casual]

Fathers, try telling your wife that you contributed 50% to the making of your children. She will be laughing hysterically while clubbing you with a lamp.

This sounds/feels very... sarcasmic.

[TJJ2000]

You're missing the 'new' Dobbs take in (whether she bears).

Now the Woman can be Gov - 'Gun' FORCED to reproduce for the State so that generally obvious Individual Liberty doesn't exist.

[Get To Da Chippah]

Let's make marriage without the stated intent of procreation illegal too.

[mad.casual]

Like *illegal* illegal or like "The State does not recognize..." "illegal"?

Because, yeah, abortion isn't the only place people go "into the abyss" retarded.

[TJJ2000]

"'into the abyss' retarded"
Well ... enough about Pro-Life.

[See.More]

There is a D next to the State Senator's name. It is a fair bet he is not so militantly pro-life / anti-masturbation as to be sincere with this bill. Rather, it is quite simply reductio ad absurdum.

And if the religious right springs on this, then when I get caught masturbating in Mississippi, I'll just plead innocent. "Honestly, I fully intended to fertilize an embryo. I just didn't have one handy..."

[TJJ2000]

That's no excuse for you purposely ABORTING it from your body! /s
That's a 'baby', according to Pro-Life, because any "potential life" is a baby!/s

[LIBtranslator]

I see the Ram Johnston for Congress videos are banned from Youtube. Ram was the original "Life begins at erection" candidate. So the Censor Czar is already hard at work!

[TJJ2000]

Maybe. Just maybe.
The solution to this endless "beliefs" battle is lawful "fetal ejection".
4A - "The right of the people to be secure in their persons"

...because
If you cannot support ?baby? freedom (A babies *Individual* Liberty)
UR supporting Gov-Gun FORCED reproduction.

[AT]

(4) This section shall not apply to the discharge of genetic material: (a) Donated or sold to a facility for the purpose of future procedures to fertilize an embryo; and (b) Discharged with the use of a contraceptive or contraceptive method intended to prevent fertilization of an embryo.

*yawn*

Try harder Chaz.

So, basically, it does nothing unless the man supports the mother committing an abortion. And it's some dumb democrat (redundant, I know) who's taking advantage of morons like Chaz here with the clickbait-y name to get the ignorant peanut gallery all worked up - to "spread awareness," which is always all the rage on the left - but in effect, the only way I can see this law being applicable is if mom tries to commit abortion, and dad doesn't try to talk her out of it. His supporting her would be the ONLY way to meet the "without the intent" standard without falling under one of the two exceptions.

Which is actually kinda clever, though I (D)oubt the Mississippi Senator actually appreciates it.

[TJJ2000]

AT summary .... "I approve of State Gov-'Guns' used to prohibit male ejaculation anywhere but inside a condom."

Wrap it up permanently boys unless you're mating.
AT's got "moral standards".
...And an insatiable hunger for endless Gov - 'Guns' to enslave you with.