Trump Promises To Be a 'Peacemaker,' Threatens Panama
Trump is wrong to threaten an ally and prepare to tear up a treaty over a nonexistent threat.

In his inauguration address on Monday afternoon, President Donald Trump said his "proudest legacy" would be "that of a peacemaker."
Moments later, Trump threatened to seize a portion of the sovereign territory of another country—specifically, the Panama Canal, a crucial link for global trade.
It's a useful reminder of what America will be getting for the next four years: a president who holds a chaotic mix of often contradictory ideas, and one who sees everything as being up for negotiation. Do you want a president who will keep America out of pointless foreign conflicts? Trump promises to be that guy. Do you want a president who projects American power around the world and demands fealty from the leaders of lesser nations? He can be that guy too. Just don't try to reconcile the two visions.
In his role as a peacemaker, Trump said the military's success should be measured "not only by the battles we win, but…perhaps most importantly, the wars we never get into." That skepticism of America's ability to impose its will at the point of the 101st Airborne Division has been a vital part of Trump's political career, which began with his (welcome and necessary) bashing of Bush-era Republicans who led the country into the disastrous wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And then, moments later, Trump was asserting America's right to take whatever it wants, even if other countries might disagree: "We gave it to Panama, and we're taking it back," Trump said, referring to the canal.
Indeed, the United States did give the canal to Panama. In 1977, President Jimmy Carter signed a treaty with Panamanian Chief of Government Omar Torrijos that relinquished American control over the Panama Canal Zone, which included not just the canal itself but a five-mile swath of land on either side of the channel. That territory had been granted to the United States by another treaty between the two countries in 1903.
Trump has complained about that 1977 deal for years, but the most recent motivation has to do with a third country: China.
"China is operating the Panama Canal, and we didn't give it to China," he said in the inauguration address.
As The Wall Street Journal explains, that claim is rooted in the build-up of "Chinese infrastructure" in and around the canal. A Hong Kong-based company runs ports at either end of the canal, and China has subsidized the building of a new cruise ship terminal, a new bridge, and other projects in and around the canal in recent years.
Still, as the Journal notes, both Panamanian and American officials say those projects aren't a security concern and don't violate the canal's neutrality.
Most importantly, Panama President José Raúl Mulino says he's not interested in making a deal. "The canal is and will continue to be Panamanian," he said last month. Mulino spoke in stronger terms on Monday, saying in a statement that he "must fully reject" Trump's statements in the inaugural address.
"Dialogue remains the ideal approach to address these issues without compromising our rights, full sovereignty, or ownership of our Canal," Mulino added.
Trump is right that the U.S. is stronger when it isn't going abroad in search of monsters to destroy. But he's wrong to be threatening an ally and preparing to tear up a treaty over a nonexistent threat.
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I see two problems here:
1) There were two treaties with Panama, both of which were ratified by two-thirds of the U.S. Senate and both of which were approved by the people of Panama in a referendum. One of those treaties states that the United States retains the permanent right to militarily intervene if anything threatens neutral access to the Panama Canal. Since we know that's true, why are we talking about "tearing up a treaty"?
2) Did you just call Chinese ownership of the distribution ports on both sides of the canal a "nonexistent threat"? China wants to go to war with the United States circa 2027, and everything they're doing in regards to the U.S. right now appears to be in preparation for that war. If China has the ability to shut down traffic on either side of the Panama Canal, they will use that during a conflict with the USA.
Do you remember the supply chain disruptions we experienced during the pandemic and the accompanying inflation? Whatever else you want to call that threat, "nonexistent" isn't the right word.
The Canal Treaty was ratified by several Senators who also served as Secretaries of the Navy.
You only seem to mention one of the treaties but not the other one.
"This first treaty is officially titled The Treaty Concerning the Permanent Neutrality and Operation of the Panama Canal (Spanish: Tratado Concerniente a la Neutralidad Permanente y Funcionamiento del Canal de Panamá) [1] and is commonly known as the "Neutrality Treaty". Under this treaty, the U.S. retained the permanent right to defend the canal from any threat that might interfere with its continued neutral service to ships of all nations."
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"Both treaties were subsequently ratified in Panama with 67.4% of the vote in a referendum held on October 23, 1977 . . . .On the day of the vote, 96% of Panama's eligible voters went to the polls, the highest voter turnout in Panama up to that time."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrijos%E2%80%93Carter_Treaties
What did you think of 'The Tomorrow War'?
Did you bother to read anything Ken wrote, or did you let your raging TDS lead the way again?
To late in the day and too far down on the bottle for that.
Welcome back Ken!
If/when the war with China comes in 2027, and if/when the Chinese Navy decides to blockade/cut off the Panama Canal, at that time I fully support sending the US Navy out to reopen the canal by force if necessary.
Is it wise to wait that long, or would it be better to preempt the Chinese?
Incidentally, this is how the treaty defines "neutrality" with respect to the canal:
The Republic of Panama declares the neutrality of the Canal in order that both in time of peace and in time of war it shall remain secure and open to peaceful transit by the vessels of all nations on terms of entire equality, so that there will be no discrimination against any nation, or its citizens or subjects, concerning the conditions or charges of transit, or for any other reason, and so that the Canal, and therefore the Isthmus of Panama, shall not be the target of reprisals in any armed conflict between other nations of the world.
chemjeff....POTUS Trump alleges discrimination by Panama against US shipping, and the USN. That is a treaty violation by Panama.
The initial statement on the Canal is meant to get attention, and address the problem he sees. His explicitly talking about it during the inaugural elevates the issue. Expect to see progress.
Not a target for reprisals; just a target of high strategic value.
China wants to go to war with the United States circa 2027
We're going to be fighting a war with China in Central America in ~3 years? This is why we can't have nice things.
Technically, I think we were fighting a proxy war with China by way of the Shining Path in Peru back in the 1980s.
If there were a conflict between the U.S. and China over Taiwan, and China had the ability to restrict our ability to trade with the rest of the world, China would do that.
"U.S. Adm. John Aquilino, head of Indo-Pacific Command, said “all indications” point to the Chinese military being ready for a potential invasion of Taiwan by 2027, the date China’s leader Xi Jinping has set for a possible military operation."
----The Hill
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4547637-china-potential-taiwan-invasion-2027-us-admiral-warns/
I see lots of good reasons to believe that Emperor Xi is serious about invading Taiwan, and I don't see any good reasons to pretend otherwise. Incidentally, an invasion of Taiwan would be devastating to the American economy.
an invasion of Taiwan would be devastating to the American economy.
If we grant this is true for the sake of argument (and because I don't know enough to have a counterpoint at this time) are you saying we need to engage China in war if they invade Taiwan? Or am I reading too much in to your comment?
We probably will engage China over an invasion of Taiwan--regardless of whether I think we should.
Taiwan manufactures about two-thirds of the world's chips. They manufacture more than 90% of the advanced chips--the ones that make AI, etc. happen. If China took that manufacturing capacity away, our economy would be devastated. A huge portion of our stock market capitalization is predicated on having access to those chips. The supply shocks we experienced during the pandemic were largely a result of those chip factories being shut down during the pandemic because the workers were sick. It isn't just AI. Cars these days are a set of chips on wheels. We need those chips for everything.
If China invades Taiwan, the American economy would be devastated, and it would take us more than ten years to rebuild that chip manufacturing capacity elsewhere in the world or in the United States. What we want to do is make it so expensive and difficult for Emperor Xi to invade Taiwan, that it just isn't worth it. One of the worst things Biden did was remove America's objection to Nord Stream 2. When we did that, Putin thought that it meant that Germany and the EU were too reliant on Russian gas to put up any kind of resistance if he invaded the rest of Ukraine.
Trump seems to be making a play to disabuse Emperor Xi that he will be able to constrain American trade through the Panama Canal. Trump seems to be trying to dissuade Emperor Xi from getting some false confidence about what he can do to invade Taiwan and squeeze our economy until we capitulate. The best thing for the American interests (and the American economy) is to deter China from invading Taiwan. Capitulating to China's control of the Panama Canal, is a great way to encourage China to invade Taiwan.
If Biden hadn't capitulated on Nord Stream 2, Putin probably wouldn't have invaded the entirety of Ukraine when he did. Chamberlain capitulating on Austria and Czechoslovakia did not ensure peace in his time. Instead, it all but guaranteed that Hitler would invade Poland.
You know...I kinda got used to every comment being followed with name calling and being told to fuck off and die, but these actual answers are pretty nice too.
I missed Ken.
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Same here. +1
My two issues with the whole invasion thing are that the Communists want Taiwan intact for economic reasons, and that there are naval issues with the quantity of landing craft and the reliability of the PLA navy.
Yeah, I want to believe that, too, that China wouldn't do something that would ultimately be self-destructive, But look what Xi has done to the Chinese economy over the last four years. The self-destructive things he's done have been amazing. And it's all been about expanding the power of the CCP. And it's not just about what he's done to Hong Kong. Until recently, with the Chinese property crash, Xi was actively trying to discourage exporters.
Xi freaked out when he wanted Chinese factories built in Xinjiang so that he could give all of those people new factory jobs when they came out of the reeducation camps. But Chinese manufacturers refused to build there because they were more afraid of alienating Western consumers than they were about what Xi wanted. Xi pulled the plug on exports just to keep the Chinese economy freer from Western influence.
I hope Putin's abysmal failures in Ukraine will also give Xi pause, but considering all the crazy economic sacrifices Xi has made just to keep the CCP as powerful as possible, that may be a forlorn hope. In the meantime, the POTUS and Congress have a legitimate obligation to ensure that the United States can trade with the rest of the world. And putting some kind of pressure on Panama not to sell out to the Chinese is a prudent part of that.
The CCP has already rehearsed a Taiwan blockade twice in the last three years. That is how it will likely start, to me.
Our carriers are fat, sitting ducks. Hiding the carrier fleet on the eastern side of Taiwan ain't going to be easy....assuming we could even break the blockade to do so.
We are not in a good posture.
And we're short on ammo.
There may be a big advantage with using drones. I don't know that Chinese troop transports, air craft carriers, and other ships can withstand a barrage from a drone swarm like the ones you see at a standard football half-time show.
I think this is what Musk was referring to a few weeks ago when he criticized the F-35 program. If Ukraine has taught us anything, surely it's that drones are extremely inexpensive, very quickly manufactured, and extremely effective--especially the ones that can resist jamming with AI.
A big part of the solution, here, may be to stop building giant ships. There's some hope that China may be hard at work building exactly the wrong kind of offensive capability.
I'm not nearly as convinced that China wants Taiwan intact for economic reasons. They've had few problems turning the screws on Hong Kong.
Seriously, welcome back Ken.
Should he decide to do so, demographics dictate that it’s got to be soon, probably before the decade is out. Time is not on Xi’s side here.
China is definitely more dangerous because of its economic and demographic problems rather than less so.
The CCP can't solve China's problems because the CCP is the cause of China's problems. Don't expect them to go out like Gorbachev.
One of the worst things about being an emperor is that there's no one else to blame when things go wrong--no one else but foreign countries. If the people of China start thinking that Xi has lost the mandate of heaven, Xi will whip up anti-American sentiment. He may paint himself into an aggressive corner.
+1
"China wants to go to war with the United States circa 2027, and everything they're doing in regards to the U.S. right now appears to be in preparation for that war. If China has the ability to shut down traffic on either side of the Panama Canal, they will use that during a conflict with the USA."
China isn't capable of launching an invasion of Taiwan. I highly doubt they're chomping at the bit to fight the US near US soil any time in the next... at least decade, probably more.
They have neither the technology nor logistics to make that feasible.
"China isn't capable of launching an invasion of Taiwan."
Do you have reasons to believe this?
You put people on boats. The boats have guns on them. The boats go to Taiwan. You take the people off the boats. The people take over the ports and the airports. You bring in more people by boat and airplane. This can be done with World Wari II level technology.
They are likely to take losses. However, reports I've read suggest that the USA will likely run out of crucial anti-ship missiles in a few days and run out of ammo completely within a few weeks.
https://archive.ph/WVfNa
And that's how Armageddon starts--when the ammo is running out, you're forced to go to strategic weapons.
Or it might not be a slippery slope. Or it might just be that in order to deter an invasion of Taiwan in the first place, we need to do certain things--like have plenty of drones and anti-ship missiles. There's other things that we shouldn't do if we want to deter an invasion in the first place--like not appeasing Chinese aggression. If part of that means talking to Panama about letting China take over the infrastructure on either side of the canal, then that may be political capital well spent.
Biden dropping his objections to Nord Stream 2 was appeasement. I'm trying to think of an example from history where appeasement was the path to peace. Jesus Christ, Gandhi, and MLK weren't working with aggressive nations from beyond their borders. They were changing hearts and minds from within.
2) Did you just call Chinese ownership of the distribution ports on both sides of the canal a "nonexistent threat"?
As a point of note, the article stated, "A Hong Kong-based company runs ports at either end of the canal, and China has subsidized the building of a new cruise ship terminal". These things can also be used for navy vessels, not just civilian cargo, leisure, and cruise vessels. Any terminal that can service a cruise ship will likely be able to service an amphibious lander, certainly a destroyer or cruiser.
Trump has only to order Musk to bring back one of Mar's famed canals to render the dread ChiCom Xi's Panamanian machinations impotent and obsolete
According to the sci-fi comics that I have read, Mars also has large-busomed babes in brass brassieres... Trump AND Musk will, no doubt, bring LOTS and LOTS and SLUTS of Mars-babes here for their harems and let them cut in line at immigration, too!!!
#ShareTheLarge-BusomedMarsBabesInBrassBrassieresWithTheCummonManNow
That's what I saw on the stage today: the new President of the United States and the King of Mars.
Welcome back, Ken!
If they send me any of Mars's large-busomed babes in brass brassieres, without a 30-year wait through immigration, I will be sure to share with YOU, Buddy!
(I'd take a number and get in line, butt I don't know where to apply!)
(For now I settle for wearing Mars Bars on my shoulders, to show my HIGH-high rank!)
Well, it's a brilliant 9-D chess move by Trump. Here's what will happen if/when he sends in the military to retake the Panama Canal:
1. All of those treaties guaranteeing "neutrality" of canal transit will then be null and void. It will instead be up to Trump to decide who gets to cross the canal. America and Trump's friends - yes! China and Trump's enemies - no! He can then use the possibility of canal transit as one more negotiating item for his international trade negotiations, along with tariffs and "economic force". If ya wanna cross the canal, better pay homage to God-Emperor Trump first.
2. The canal zone is only five miles wide, right? So that's a perfect place to finally build his border wall. Five miles is a lot easier to defend than the huge US-Mexico border. That way he can stop all of those Colombian and Venezuelan migrants from coming here, and Panama would become the central front in the War on Migration.
Brilliant!
I’ve seen stupid comments from you before, but this one takes the fucking tamale. Go reread Ken’s comment about regarding the treaties and how military action by the US is written into them to remove a potential threat to the canal operation.
As for the width, did you fail geography? Because it’s fucking obvious to me you did. The Canal Zone was five miles on each side of the centerline of the Canal for a total of ten miles in width. And then, it stretched for forty miles across the middle of Panama. It narrowed to keep Colon and Panama City outside the Zone. The Zone did include all of the artificial lakes for the operation of the Canal as well.
Poor Lying Jeffy is not handling today very well.
To many balls to juggle. His talking points pdf for today must be a mile long.
"Do you want a president who will keep America out of pointless foreign conflicts? Trump promises to be that guy. Do you want a president who projects American power around the world and demands fealty from the leaders of lesser nations? He can be that guy too. Just don't try to reconcile the two visions."
Where is the contradiction? Isn't this what he did in his first term?
And twat did His demands for fealty from the leaders of lesser nations get us last time? Notice that all of these years later, Panama, Greenland, and Canada have SNOT yet offered to sell all of their inhabitants into slavery in the USA! Even insignificunt nations like North Korea and Yemeni Houthis still flip us the bird, all day, every day!
I don't think we should confuse realism, neoconservatism, and the idea that if we pull our pants down and bend over, maybe the Chinese won't rape us.
Trump is not a neoconservative. He is a realist.
Because the realists wouldn't have invaded Iraq like the neoconservatives did, doesn't mean the realists are the kind who want to bend over for our enemies--so they won't think we're a threat.
I'm a small state libertarian. The legitimate purpose of government is to protect our rights. We have police to protect our rights from criminals. We have courts to protect our rights from the police. Failing to protect people's rights from criminals is not a small state libertarian position. We have a military and foreign policy to protect our rights from foreign threats. Failing to protect people's rights from foreign threats isn't a small state libertarian position either.
Yeah, that's where I stopped reading.
Strategically, but not reluctantly.
So Trump may get into foreign conflicts that have a point.
Boehm is confusing a expression of prudence with an expression of pacifism.
>both Panamanian and American officials
The officials that stand to personally benefit from a Chinese infrastructure buildup.
Secondly, I don't care what Panama thinks is or isn't good for America.
Just don't try to reconcile the two visions.
It's not that hard. Hey, world, take a knee. America is back.
Declaring war on the rest of the world if they don't submit is not a recipe for success. But it is exactly the idiotic thing a MAGA would think of.
Hey Shrike.
Here's some of todays executive orders. Can you guess which ones Reason will mention?
A regulatory freeze preventing bureaucrats from issuing any more regulations until "we have full control" of the government.
A freeze on all federal hiring except in the military and a number of other excluded categories.
A requirement that federal workers return to full-time, in-person work.
Directing agencies to address Americans' cost-of-living "crisis."
Withdrawing from the Paris Agreement and informing the United Nations of the U.S.'s withdrawal from the landmark climate treaty.
A directive to the federal government "ordering the restoration of freedom of speech and preventing government censorship of free speech going forward."
Withdrawing the United States from the World Health Organization
Restoring Accountability to Policy-Influencing Positions Within the Federal Workforce
Reevaluating United States Foreign Aid
Establishing And Implementing The President’s “Department Of Government Efficiency”
Reforming The Federal Hiring Process And Restoring Merit To Government Service
Ending Radical And Wasteful Government DEI Programs And Preferencing
He's already drained more swamp than the first time. They should have just let him win and thwarted him for four more years and let him run his mouth and moved on.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/holding-former-government-officials-accountablefor-election-interference-and-improper-disclosure-of-sensitive-governmental-information/
Who said anything about declaring war? That's not even something Trump can do.
But he can damn sure tell them to take a knee, because America is back.
What an awful concept. The US is just one country out of many in the world. It would be destructive and arrogant of us to impose our will on other countries. Cooperation and respect is orders of magnitude better
The US is just one country out of many in the world.
The most important one. And the only one that matters.
It would be destructive and arrogant of us to impose our will on other countries.
Sigh. OK. Go ahead and list their positives. Tell the class why they're such great nations and we should do anything by their standards and how those standards are better than ours.
194 nations that aren't the United States. Go.
Cooperation and respect is orders of magnitude better
When it's earned. By a culture that ISN'T a bunch of backwards violent ignorants wholly unreceptive to a better way of life. Tell me how "cooperation and respect" worked out for Haiti, for example.
"a bunch of backwards violent ignorants wholly unreceptive to a better way of life" is a good summary of MAGAs.
The rest of your comments prove my point.
“You didn’t build that.”
You’re Fired!
So goes the now-famous phrase by now-President Trump from his televised show of yesteryear. Whom will he fire for the technical glitch at his inauguration leaving the singer, Carrie Underwood, forlornly awaiting musical accompaniment then bravely singing achapella to salvage the wreckage from that which remained of the moment?
Merely a trivial incident? Big Media seems to think so. In an oral context of the impossible is what Americans do best, the incident seems symbolic. The spinmeisters say that it’s symbolic of Americans’ can-do spirit. Given that Americans created the embarrassing incident, their argument falls as flat as the musical accompaniment did.
In fact, this ironic moment of embarrassing failure made these United States a laughing stock for the rest of the world. It came after President Trump blustered all that he would do and all that he allow and all that he would not do and all that he would not allow to make America great again. All right, the impossible is that which America does best — except, that is, to play a simple tune at a historic event watched by the entire world. If the girls in the military band can’t play a simple tune on time, how can they win a shooting war against a formidable enemy?
Sabotage? If so, the policing authorities are incompetent. Simple snafu? If so, the technical people are incompetent. Given the actual elements yet to be announced with the truth likely never to be announced, contrary to the bluster of Mr. Trump’s words, America seems to make the easily possible impossible. Korea? Vietnam? Afghanistan?
Oh yes, we successfully did invade Panama under Bush the First, killing 4,000 Panamanians. For the true accounting, read this commentator’s novel, Inescapable Consequences.* Will a second Panamanian invasion be successful, too, at the cost of how many Panamanian lives? After reclaiming Crimea, which was a part of Russia, is President Putin taking notice?
*This commentator gained the material for the accounting firsthand while giving an invited presentation in Spanish to approximately 150 attendees at the University of Panama.
So, here’s to President Trump. May he make America great again. To guide him along the way scientifically, he might try reading this commentator’s most recent book, Retribution Fever. To begin saving the federal government that promised $2-trillion, perhaps he could borrow a copy from his former advisor, Kellyanne Conway; or from Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene; or from Governor DeSantis; or from former-Governor Mike Huckabee. You, dear reader, can buy a brand-new copy from your local bookseller.
https://www.nationonfire.com/youre-fired/ .
Is it a short picture book with no more than a third grade vocabulary?
We'll try not to test the limits of your comprehension, but given that you are a pile of ignorant lefty shit, it'll be difficult.
Treaties are law until they are abrogated. That is not a threat, just a statement of fact.
The parallels between Taiwan and Panama, and the Canal itself and Ukraine appear to be the major stars in this alleged drama.