Many Workers Don't Want To Return to the Office. That Could Help Shrink the Government.
Remote work is a plus for many people and businesses, but that’s not necessarily true of D.C.

Echoing many business executives across the United States, returning President Donald Trump—with the backing of efficiency czars Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy—wants federal workers back in the office after several years of remote work spurred by the pandemic. For private employers, this will likely continue to be an uphill battle, given that lots of workers say they'd rather quit than return to old in-person work practices. But an incoming administration that wants to streamline the federal government may find that stubborn employees committed to working remotely ease the path to reducing payroll.
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Come Back or You're Fired
"If people don't come back to work, come back into the office, they're going to be dismissed," Trump commented last month, referring to federal workers who've grown accustomed to working from home in the years since COVID-19 shuttered many offices.
Many private sector workers have also grown used to living and working far from their employers' offices. In many cases, they do so with their bosses' endorsement—some companies find employees to be happier with greater flexibility, and overhead to be lower with reduced need for office space.
"Professional, scientific, and technical services, information, finance and insurance, and management of companies and enterprises had over 39 percent of their workforce working remotely in 2021 compared with less than 17 percent in 2019," the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported in October. Across 61 industries, a 1 percent increase in the percentage of remote workers resulted in a 0.08 percentage-point increase in productivity, according to the BLS.
Other firms, though, find that productivity and accountability suffer when employees don't warm seats on-site. What works for some doesn't work for others.
"Large companies are cracking down on back-to-office policies, which will be in the spotlight again for C-suite leaders in the year ahead," Jennifer Williams of The Wall Street Journal noted last month. "AT&T, Amazon.com and Dell Technologies in recent months have called certain staffers back to offices five days a week. Starbucks in October warned employees they risk termination if they don't comply with the company's existing three-days-a-week mandate."
That a few employers have said this for years is an indication of resistance in the ranks at many firms to returning to the office. Some workers moved far from the expensive cities where they once did their jobs, others were hired under circumstances where geographical separation between employer and worker was a given, and several years of altered habits have created a new norm for getting work done.
Many Employers Have Had To Learn To Adapt
"More than 40 percent of managers are ignoring employees refusing to come in as many days as requested," Nicholas Bloom of Stanford University's Institute for Economic Policy Research commented in June 2022. "Many of them have quietly confided to me if their employees are getting their jobs done, they are not enforcing aggressive return-to-the-office policies."
That's just as well for employers who want to keep their employees working.
Among employed adults working from home, 46 percent "say that if their employer no longer allowed them to work from home, they would be unlikely to stay at their current job," Pew Research found in a recent survey. "This includes 26% who say they'd be very unlikely to stay." Thirty-six percent said they'd likely stay at their job if forced to return to the office, and 17 percent were noncommittal.
Women and workers younger than 50 are the most likely to pick quitting over returning to the office, at about half of each. About a third of each group said they'd stay, and smaller shares remained unsure.
This poses serious problems for employers trying to return to a traditional office culture without suffering disruption in the workplace. But it's also an opportunity for a new president and his aides who've announced plans to cut the cost of government to reduce the ranks of federal employees.
A Low-Friction Means To Reduce the Workforce
"Not only are fewer employees required to enforce fewer regulations, but the agency would produce fewer regulations once its scope of authority is properly limited," Musk and Ramaswamy, co-heads of the new Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), wrote in a November op-ed. "Requiring federal employees to come to the office five days a week would result in a wave of voluntary terminations that we welcome: If federal employees don't want to show up, American taxpayers shouldn't pay them for the Covid-era privilege of staying home."
Venture capitalist and DOGE supporter Marc Andreessen endorses this approach, complaining, "the Washington, DC federal government complex is basically a ghost town" with so many government employees semi-permanently at home.
Andreessen refers to reports that federal buildings sit empty or nearly so. A Government Accountability Office report found that "on average, 17 of the 24 agencies surveyed used 25 percent or less of the available space in their headquarters buildings," as Reason's Joe Lancaster reported in 2023.
Last month, Sen. Joni Ernst (R–Iowa) released her own report finding "government buildings average an occupancy rate of 12 percent." In addition, "the government also owns 7,697 vacant buildings and another 2,265 that are partially empty." Ernst claims many remote-working government employees collect pay based on living in high-cost localities near their offices, even though they've long since relocated to less-expensive digs. "Bureaucrats have been found in a bubble bath, on the golf course, running their own business, and even getting busted doing crime while on taxpayers' time," she added.
Given that DOGE has only advisory power, convincing the new administration to impose a return-to-office mandate might be the easiest way to scrape off significant numbers of employees who, as Pew put it, "say that if their employer no longer allowed them to work from home, they would be unlikely to stay at their current job." If federal workers are anywhere near as resistant to returning to the office as the population in general, it wouldn't be difficult to reduce the government workforce. Then, maybe, the feds could unload some unneeded and expensive office space.
Whether remote work is a boon to any given business or a productivity killer undoubtedly depends on both the company and its workers. There's no one-size-fits-all answer, and employers and employees should be free to sort themselves according to what works for them.
But if calling workers back to the office can shrink the size and cost of government with minimal muss and fuss, that's one change that should be imposed on federal agencies across the board.
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Of course they should go back to the office, if not full time, at least three days per week. Dimon and other CEOs have made that move as collaborative work needs employees being face to face with immediate side interactions for a more productive workplace.
With the various scammers identified by the Ernst report and others, we cannot trust that workers are putting in full days for their department (and our taxpayer dollars).
I doubt the refusal to come to work will be as high as the private sector as the pension and health benefits are too strong of an incentive to suckle the government teat.
On the contrary, working from home is entirely less efficient
The norm has become starting late, taking frequent breaks and quitting early.
All communication is long distance with greater delays and no way to convey a sense of urgency. People respond to requests when they want to.
This causes delays, miscommunication and errors in every stage of every business.
This results in poor to no customer service, shortages in the supply chain and increased costs.
Once the new normal of inefficiency is accepted the next step will be replacing you all with AI, and a new reduction in efficiency and customer service as your ONLY Option for customer service with be through Siri or Alexia.
Then with a huge unemployed population, the global Zionist cabal will release the next more effective pandemic on you and your families.
Bitch, you lost. Now Trump will help our Israeli allies take down the Iranian regime, and bring peace to the Middle East. Your genocidal Islamist brethren will be destroyed.
Oh, and refuted.
Okay, that was completely unhindged.
You know they have these things called telephones and amazingly they're not just for sending email or checking your favorite app. You simply enter the phone number of the person you want to reach and that person's phone makes a lot of noise. They would stop it from making noise and start talking into it. You can then talk in yours and have a conversation. Trust me, I've had that happen to me while working from home, sometimes in the middle of the night. Oh what am I doing in bed in the middle of the night? How unproductive! I should live at the office!
Many government jobs were posted as "remote" and thus people accepted them on those terms. Also there are pre-existing telework agreements and polices that would need to be changed. The MSPB would not uphold firing of employees who are following their signed telework plans or working remotely as specified in their hiring documents. Government is not private sector and has laws protecting workers from political crap just like this.
They're government jobs. So....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8TEJtQRhw
Because here's the thing. The government can just as easily say, "Y'know what, we're laying off everyone in this department." And there's nothing the MSPB could do about it.
Then they could decide to re-open with all new employment contracts for anyone interested.
Executive Branch created government jobs are capricious that way.
I doubt that would work. The MSPB would see though that. There is also no reason to do that. The law has provisions for legitimate reduction in forces.
Laws that give preference based on time in grade. I watched one organization push non performers into a Deadwood Branch to get them out of the way, in the face of significant deadlines. When the task was winding down, the Deadwood Branch was chopped off, and its staff utilized their bumping rights to push the employees who had been instrumental in meeting those deadlines, out.
The MSPB might "see through it" but they have no legal authority to challenge it. Their opinions on the matter might be relevant in an ensuing lawsuit but it would be a near-guaranteed loser of a suit.
MSPB has the power to reinstate improperly fired employees. If Trump wants to reduce the federal workforce he needs to do it using legal methods.
The U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board must be the most Orwellian named agency in the country--it certainly is if it's real purpose is to protect the number of federal employees from the taxpayers.
It is certainly there to protect federal employees from the elected critters that taxpayers elect (or the critters who are owned by the donor class).
We could have chosen to fulfill the functions of government via a militia type system to avoid tyranny.That would work really well if we had sortition rather than elections. But we chose - poorly.
Was there any real thought intended in that word salad?
If you dig deep enough he is probably blaming Israel somewhere in there.
Just like his brother, Misek, did above.
The MSPB and the entire merit system has two goal. To prevent people being hired or fired due to the politics of the administration. And to protect employees from bad, vindictive, or irresponsible managers.
And ends up protecting the incompetent and lazy from being replaced by the competent and hard workers.
Real story. I worked as a programmer for the USG at some point. The grades were GS-5, 7, 9, 11, and 12. Most of us came in as GS-7s. We had a GS-12 programmer who spent a year writing a program, then went on leave when the program went into production, in the face of a legal deadline. It failed, of course. So two of us GS-7 programmers were tasked to fix it. We looked at it, threw up our hands, rewrote it from scratch and had it operational two days later. Asked my boss why they didn’t just fire her, because she obviously couldn’t do GS-12 level work. His response was that she would have to fail at GS-12 level work to be fired, and was only assigned GS-7 level of work. It would take months of documenting her constant calls with her husband, late arrivals to work, and repeated failures to do GS-12 level work to fire her. And everyone, including the GS-14 supervisor, were too time crunched to do that. So, she was pushed to the side, and given low level tasks.
That is a story about management failing repeatably to do their jobs, not about the system. It only takes one PIP and a failure of the employee to improve performance to satisfy the legal requirements. Being late or taking personal calls would not even factor.
Do you think this would be the first time an agency drifted away from its stated mission or was driven sideways by unintended consequences?
Do you believe that this agency protects government employees from being sacked by a new administration--because they're expensive and useless?
If a majority of Congress votes to sack these useless and expensive employees, and the president signs the bill, do you imagine that some Orwellian named quasi-government agency will stop that from happening?
The MSPB has nothing to do with the number of employees, it just makes sure that management follows the law.
That's what we're talking about--the budget is a law.
If there are budget issues then the agencies can use the proper processes to do a RIF.
We don't call it RIF. We call it right-sizing.
In any event, it should not have power to force the President, Congress, or Supreme Court to retain their employees.
+1
The MSPB does not have that power. It is there to prevent illegal employment practices.
I am not a federal employee, but my own telework agreement clearly states that it can be rescinded at any time. And if "operational needs" demand a RTO and I do not RTO, then oops, I can be terminated for violating the terms.
"The manager must provide a performance evaluation of the teleworking employee at least once
each year, and at that time, the Telework Agreement is to be reviewed by the parties and may be
amended or terminated at any time. Any and all Telework Agreements may be temporarily
suspended due to operational needs or terminated due to a violation of any terms by the
employee.
Point being, it would all depend on what their contracts or signed agreements actually say.
Another plus is the economic boom from all the returnees who have to buy actual clothes for the office, somewhat offset by the slump in pajamas and sweat suit sales.
What matters is not whether they go to an office or not, but hoiw much authority that they have over our lives.
People who don't need to be present in order to do their jobs are the most likely to be replaced by AI.
Not that the AI needs to be particularly powerful to replace government employees. Hundreds of thousands of them (in the office or otherwise) could probably be replaced with a very short shell script.
Yep. Just a small machine with a stamp that says "denied".
The only workers that have to think are the ones that review the appeals of rejections.
What magical force does presence have to prevent AI replacement?
It's harder to replace carpenters with AI because carpenters need to be on the construction site.
It's easier to replace someone with AI whose job it is to take in information and type on a keyboard in response.
A greeter at a restaurant needs to be there to show you to your seat. You'd need to build a friendly robot to replace someone like that.
Some anonymous help line person who takes phone calls from home and responds to emails, there's no need for a robot. You can run all that directly from the cloud.
Who cares what they want. I mean, here's the reality: COVID lockdowns taught us this was possible. It didn't make us entitled to it.
So, here's the situation as far as I see it: remote working is one of those things that should be factored into a salary package. And using basic capitalist principles of bargaining power should be the means by which it's all haggled out.
If you're high skill high demand, maybe you have the bargaining power to say, "I want six figures, cadillac health insurance and to never come to the office." They might need you that badly. If you're low skill high demand, maybe you have the bargaining power to say, "I want six figures, cadillac health insurance, and to never come to the office," to which they reply, "pick two." If you're high skill low demand, maybe you have the bargaining power to say, "I want six figures, cadillac health insurance, and to never come to the office," to which they reply, "Impressive, but we're not desperate for you - pick one." If you're low skill, low demand... well, you'd better get to the office.
Also, as a personal point of contention and gripe, one thing that the COVID lockdowns also did - which I hate - is make people think that every single meeting needs to be on Zoom or Teams or whatever. FFS, we still have telephones. I don't need to see your face, and that meeting could have probably just been an email in the first place. Sheesh.
My longtime Usenet ally, William A. Levinson, wrote about how commutes were muda.
https://www.qualitydigest.com/inside/quality-insider-column/yahoo-vs-henry-ford-042213.html
The benefits of Yahoo!’s new policy are indeed as described above, but the downside also should be obvious. The requirement for employees to report to a specific place adds time to their work day along with fuel or other transportation costs, which constitutes a de facto pay cut. A cornerstone of Henry Ford’s highly successful business system was the principle that anything that does not add value is waste (muda). Ford would not tolerate a job that required a worker to take more steps in one direction to get parts. It is doubtful that he would have approved of a job that required a worker to walk or drive anywhere if the job could be performed remotely. This was clearly not an option during the 1910s and 1920s, although it is telling that Ford used that era’s relatively crude telephony to turn his logistics system into what Edwin Norwood called a “continent-spanning conveyor” in his book, Ford: Men and Methods (Doubleday, Doran, 1931). Yahoo!’s new policy is therefore worse than nonvalue-adding. at least on the worker side; it is employer-mandated muda.
Does the new policy even add value on the employer side? Face-to-face meetings and even videoconferencing are a highly inefficient form of communication to which there was no viable alternative until about 20 years ago. People must take turns talking, and human speech operates at roughly 150 words per minute. The minds of listeners can wander because the human brain can process communication at a far higher rate. People can read, on the other hand (depending on the complexity of the material) 250 to 500 words per minute. It is well known that there is an upper limit, of fewer than 20 people, on the size of an effective cross-functional team—at least when face-to-face communications are involved.
Internet discussion forums facilitate both simultaneous communication (everybody “talking” at the same time) and asynchronous communication (not everybody needs to be there at the same time), and can be easily organized according to topic. Documents and figures can be easily uploaded to facilitate the exchange of ideas.
Daily commuting and travel are, in contrast, totally nonvalue-adding (muda) unless absolutely necessary
Daily commuting is the expression of the American dream for mobility. At least that's what every commenter here who waxes poetic about the suburbs, large swathes of R1 zoning, and highways says.
Maybe most people want to live in a single-family residence with a backyard.
Yes. And commute less than 30 minutes.
Absolutely necessary has often proven to be the case for many employers who quickly learned, by monitoring the remote usage of their employees, that they're not getting the same value for remote workers - by salary - that they were getting when they were in-office.
Which is why I tied the two together in the first place.
For me, it's simple - if I don't need you in the office, I don't really feel compelled to pay you the same as someone I do. The need for commuting is factored into your pay. If that need is absent, it gets removed from your pay.
There was a similar phenomenom in the 2000's when some corporations reinsourced certain functions after outsourcing them in the 1990's to cut down on costs.
Unless their job directly relates to ensuring Individual Liberty and Justice for all then they shouldn't have a job anyways.
The D.C. swamp eating-up 2 to 5 TIMES more than the people that actually make sh*t.
As with all things, the answer is "it depends". Clearly assembly line workers can't work remote and researchers can almost always work remotely. Then there's that big middle to consider. Managers must have flexibility to weigh the costs and benefits of remote work and decide accordingly. On one hand, employees can live in lower cost areas and overcome problems with getting people in LA, NYC, etc. There's a huge discrepancy between "cost of wages" and "cost of living" in large cities. On the other hand, it's virtually impossible to mentor and/or develop espirit de corps in a remote environment. If you want a "don't give a shit" attitude, let your customer service staff work remotely. If you want young managers flounder and have a lack of purpose, same thing. Those jobs require seeing the culture in action to absorb it.
My own rule when trimming expenses is to cut until you see a material change in overall performance, then consider adding back. I would tell managers there have to be about 10% of your staff you wouldn't mind never having to see again and it was usually pretty accurate. With the Fed, that figure is likely closer to 50%.
Bottom line, release the hounds!
For private employers, this will likely continue to be an uphill battle, given that lots of workers say they'd rather quit than return to old in-person work practices
Any American “working from home” can be easily replaced with someone “working from home” overseas, or AI in the very near future.
I’d get my ass back to work, you lazy fucks.
So why has that not happened yet?
The government does not have a profit motive to spur productivity.
"A wave of voluntary terminations," my Aunt Fanny. Ever hear of the Civil Service? What there will be is a wave of lawsuits and a wave of people claiming whacko disabilities, like their emo support snail doesn't like to travel on public transportation.
Remote work can save on real estate costs. My company has a lot of the offices down to a much smaller footprint with ‘flex’ offices for many. Some groups have mandatory in person team meetings. People who need to work in the lab come in every day. If productivity was going down I’m sure return to the office for all would be mandated. One size doesn’t fit all.
Yes, objectively, remote work helps save a lot of money on renting offices in the city center) But you forget that these buildings are often owned by the elite. They have their own lobbies and do not want to reduce their profits (or reduce the cost of commercial rent). I will vote myself through my choice of work. As long as I have the opportunity to earn money with 1xbet aviator game. Will I go back to the office? No, as long as my income remains at an acceptable level.