Here's How Police Are Being Trained To Deal With Incels
The Department of Homeland Security is watching men who are mad they can’t get girlfriends.

Some men in the "incel" (involuntary celibate) community want the state to intervene in their dating lives. These sexually frustrated men believe that society is biased against them, so they should be given a "government-issued girlfriend." Incels have attracted attention from the authorities—just not in the way they would like.
This week, the California Specialized Training Institute is advertising a training session for police across the state who want to learn more about domestic terrorism. Alongside anarchism, radical environmentalism, white supremacy, and the sovereign citizen movement, the flyer lists "involuntary celibate extremism" as one of the threats. It went viral after independent journalist Ken Klippenstein shared it on social media.
For several years now, U.S. authorities have treated incel-related mass shootings as a serious security risk. The phenomenon of incel counterterrorism is an interesting window into how the U.S. government makes sense of newfangled threats and how far its surveillance reach goes.
The training session this week is hosted by the Orange County Intelligence Assessment Center, one of the many "fusion centers" created by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to share intelligence between local and federal law enforcement. Although the fusion center has not yet responded to a California Public Records Act request for course materials—the law gives it 10 days to do so—other leaked documents hint at what the class might teach.
In 2020, hackers released millions of fusion center documents in an incident known as BlueLeaks. Some of these documents include federal intelligence bulletins and educational materials on the incel menace.
The Colorado Information Analysis Center's 2019 slideshow on "violent extremism," like the Orange County class on terrorism, lists incels alongside white supremacists, black separatists, anarchists, sovereign citizens, environmentalists, and anti-abortionists. It defines incel ideology as the belief "that women cannot be trusted and are not entirely human, but robot-like androids who only crave sex with attractive men. They believe they are ugly and no amount of self-improvement will attract women. They want access to women's bodies without their input."
As possible ways to deal with incels, the slideshow suggests "intervention" by their "online community," "authorities," and "acquaintances." The next slide cites the case of a Utah man who was sentenced to prison for posting on Facebook that he was "planning on shooting up a public place" and "killing as many girls as I see."
Law enforcement puts a lot of energy—perhaps more than the public realizes—into tracking down violent online fantasies. In August 2019, the Portland Police Bureau's Criminal Intelligence Unit put out a bulletin seeking information on a Reddit user who wrote (and then deleted), "People ask 'are you ok' - but never 'Are you planning to commit mass murder at the Black Lives Matter march in downtown Portland, OR on August 18, 2019 ot 19:00 local time with an Ruger-556 AR-15 style rifle and ammunition purchased from Northeast Arms in Salem, OR?'"
The bulletin says that the user is "believed to be 13 years old, going into the 8th grade," includes his alleged photo, and reports that he has "has posted content consistent with the incel movement."
In May 2020, the Northern California Regional Intelligence Center uploaded a memo from Verizon about a Yahoo Answers user who posted that he felt "like bringing a gun to school" because he is "white and racially bullied on a daily basis" and called an "incel loser." The memo includes the user's name, date of birth, email address, and I.P. address, which placed him somewhere in Canada.
Verizon did not respond to a request for comment.
The first known act of real-life incel violence was the Isla Vista massacre of May 2014, when a man named Elliot Rodger posted a YouTube video complaining about his virginity, then committed a series of murders around a local college campus. Copycat attackers, who all named Rodger as their hero, shot up an Oregon community college in October 2015, ran over Toronto shoppers in April 2018, and shot up a Tallahassee yoga studio in November 2018.
But judging by the volume of bulletins on BlueLeaks, law enforcement interest in incels really picked up after May 2019, when the FBI issued an intelligence bulletin stating that "violent Incel rhetoric, expressed online in Incel community forums, likely is partially responsible for some individual Incels' escalation from grievance to violent, physical, and revengeful acts." The bulletin cites Reddit posts and memes about "Stacys and Chads" along with examples of real-life incel attacks.
In June 2019, the U.S. military made personnel sit through a briefing on incel threats, which included images of those same memes.
A few months later, the U.S. Secret Service issued a public report on mass shooters, stating that many "attackers' beliefs were multifaceted and touched on a range of issues, including white supremacy, anti-Semitism, conspiracy theories, sovereign citizens, animal rights, and the 'incel' movement."
FBI Director Christopher Wray later described this phenomenon as attackers picking from a "salad bar of ideologies" in testimony to Congress.
And in September 2019, the FBI issued an infamous intelligence bulletin warning that the new Joker movie had inspired "online threats" from the incel community and "a subset community known as Clowncel." Fusion centers in Fort Worth, Texas; Austin, Texas; and central Florida all distributed up their own bulletins on the potential for Joker-related violence.
Parts of the FBI bulletin were leaked to the press, as was an internal U.S. Army warning, feeding into a moral panic about the Joker movie. Fortunately, none of the predicted violence materialized in real life. A 2023 study by two professors at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln concluded that feminist backlash to the plot of the movie, sensational media coverage, and government warnings all fed into each other.
A few weeks after the Joker premier passed without incident, the Southeast Florida Fusion Center revived the "clowncel" menace for its pre-Halloween situational awareness bulletin. "In previous years, there have been various clown-related threats and hoaxes, known as 'clowning,'" the bulletin warns. "Recently, there has been an increase of clown-related online threats made by the involuntary celibate (Incel) community and a subset community known as 'Clowncels.'"
To round off the hodgepodge of unrelated dangers, the bulletin also mentions the threat of Islamic State group car rammings and drug-laced Halloween candy. It cites a 2018 report about an Ohio child who had meth poisoning after trick-or-treating—the police later arrested his parents, concluding that the drug did not come from Halloween candy—and a 2019 article about Florida preteens who accidentally ate marijuana edibles at school.
The fusion center is an incredibly powerful system for disseminating information to law enforcement. When a bulletin goes out, police across America jump to attention. But all that information is not always put together in a coherent way.
A Senate report in 2012 concluded that fusion centers had "forwarded 'intelligence' of uneven quality—oftentimes shoddy, rarely timely, sometimes endangering citizens' civil liberties and Privacy Act protections, occasionally taken from already-published public sources, and more often than not unrelated to terrorism."
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"Alongside anarchism, radical environmentalism, white supremacy, and the sovereign citizen movement, the flyer lists "involuntary celibate extremism" as one of the threats."
Odd, no mention of Islamic extremists - - - - - - - - -
Red SUVs drive themselves and Churches are just bullet magnets that occasionally spontaneously combust.
Aren't Arabs classified as white? Even Pakistanis are Aryan, no? And them Indonesians, all Pacific Islanders, I bet, which is Asian, which is white in all but name.
See, politics is simple.
Depends on what statistic they're trying to use.
Yup, like with "Asians".
Looking at the UK immigrant rape numbers, looks like they get plenty of (non-consensual) action.
Or Antifa.
I’m glad jeffsarc is on some kind of list
Does NAMBLA keep a list of their members?
Doesn’t apply to Jeffy, as he is CEO and chairman of the board.
*Shakes fist*
Beat me to it.
These sexually frustrated men believe that society is biased against them, so they should be given a "government-issued girlfriend."
I'll wager none of them have ever eaten an MRE.
Obviously, the government would not be allowed to exclude trans women from the prostitute MOS.
White men think society is biast against them
*checks the news, Hollywood movie, the sba preferred list, and corporate policies
Hmmmm I see a trend
I'll wager none of them have ever eaten an MRE.
I'll parlay the bet that, while none of them have never eaten an MRE, at least some of them have eaten stuff that you or I wouldn't consider to be food.
Um, what? There's an Islamic stabbing like every 5 minutes, but we're going to surveil those who aren't getting enough?
Given our government's beliefs, why *don't* they provide government funded "sex workers", BTW? Seems right up their alley.
This Will all start to go away next week.
As a libertarian I actually support state-sponsored gumads. Politicians regularly have a few on the side, why not have my tax dollars pay for some side trim for me this time?
I could quite literally use the phrase: God damn, I love those government fuckers!
or
God damn, I love those government cock suckers!
Best use of government...
You should rethink the possibility of Government provided sex workers. They will come with a warning that you cannot discriminate on the basis of sex, gender, race, age or handicaps or you will face penalties of $10,000 and/or 5 years in jail.
They will also look like, act like, and perform like the staff at the DMV.
Perfect.
BDSM.
Further persecution of the most despised members of society, who already have nothing to lose? What could possibly go wrong?
'Incel' is the proggy equivalent of calling someone a 'cuck'.
Also, the
DNCDHS spying on guys who can't get laid as some sort of national threat is the stupidest thing I have ever fucking heard.Did you miss the whole thing about changing your gender just by tapping your heels together?
But what if only one of the rockets lights?
"Then it will drive your hip thru your skull."
Its a case of "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"
As was mentioned earlier here, they are trying to distract from the real threats posed by favored minority groups
"FBI Director Christopher Wray later described this phenomenon as attackers picking from a "salad bar of ideologies" in testimony to Congress."
FBI Director Christopher Wray should have been on FBI watch lists and is one of the biggest threats to American democracy since the Revolutionary War.
My take: Let's add Homeland Security to list of useless as tits on a boar hog government agencies that need to be shuttered.
How about assigning them to submarines with screen doors?
Seems like this whole issue could be put to bed by simply legalizing prostitution. Hell, incel websites would then become prime advertising grounds for businesses of ill repute...
Come down to Stacy's Brothel. 1st timers can get your wick wet for only $50!
Check your premises.
If incels aren't specifically committing crimes and/or aren't doing so because of their incel status, legalized prostitution specifically won't solve this problem.
Analogously, if you think incels or men are the reason that prostitution is illegal or that pro-feminist women support legalizing prostitution out of concern for men or their fellow women, you haven't really listened to any feminists.
Legalizing prostitution as the result of this seems like, along a couple of avenues, taking incels who already have nothing to lose and empowering women to file rape charges against them.
Check my premises? My premises was a joke. Incels are mostly straight whites dudes who cannot get laid, so... whorehouses.
Legalizing, and destigmatizing, prostitution creates a easy avenue to rid ourselves of incels. Would it do anything to stop the low self esteem nerds & dorks who currently make up the groups who currently wear the incel label from committing crimes? No, of course not... they just would no longer be incels when they do them.
"...empowering women to file rape charges against them."
Not sure if this is just fearmongering or a nonsensical rant. Why on earth would consensually negotiated sex for money result in more women filing rape charges against their own customers?
"Check my premises? My premises was a joke." he says before going on to restate the premise of his joke in earnest and then restate the arguments made from the faulted premise without refute.
Legalizing, and destigmatizing, prostitution creates a easy avenue to rid ourselves of incels.
Are you refusing to have sex with these men or is it women in general who are refusing to have sex with these men? If it's women in general, again, you've made a presumption that the only reason they aren't having sex with these men is because they aren't getting paid enough and that their motivations otherwise don't matter. Similarly, part of the argument around incels and female hypergamy (from both or all sides) is that, essentially, these men are otherwise generally socially unattractive as well and, akin to the trans issue, simply issuing them public-access prostitutes only addresses a symptom of their involuntary celibacy, not the root cause.
I mean, if you can just destigmatize prostitutes, which you can't, destigmatizing incels directly would be more directly effective as to whatever violence they're doing with less effort.
But, again, you aren't making serious policy proposals. You're just parroting the same "I didn't get a pony when I was 8." unicorn-rainbow-fart, "The world would be better for women if everyone would just do what I say.", "(not even) best of intentions/worst of outcomes" idiocy that one of Reason's worst writers regurgitates in place of actual libertarian policy.
Why on earth would consensually negotiated sex for money result in more women filing rape charges against their own customers?
Are you seriously asking why would Stormy Daniels or E. Jean Carroll or Crystal Magnum or Sabrina Erdely or Jackie Coakley or the underage woman Matt Araiza allegedly gang raped or any other woman alleged sexual assault in lieu of more money? You do know that the overwhelming majority of rape and sexual assault allegations are false *and* the single largest source comes from or are associated with the existing sex trade/markets, legal or not, right?
The idea that, if two people can't come to a mutual agreement, you can just slap a price sticker on everything, subsidize some of it, and suddenly it will all work is a pretty naive and anti-libertarian non-sequitur.
Will Medicare cover that? Asking for a friend.
I volunteer everyone who works for the government as girlfriend services.
^^^ Tell us that you have never touched a woman without telling us that you have never touched a woman.
That would be great if you're into obese Black women.
Oooo, the post office clerk fetish.
Things really heat up once she removes her wig and dentures.
They are also likely to assign you a gyrlfriend.
Oh, OH! Ya know what would make these fusion bulletins even more coherent (and smell less like red herrings)? AI summaries. Yeah. AI summaries would definitely not make these bulletins less coherent. OpenAI, where are you? LE needs you to summarize threats for them. Get on it!
""The phenomenon of incel counterterrorism is an interesting window into how the U.S. government makes sense of newfangled threats and how far its surveillance reach goes.""
AI will scan everything about you captured electronically and build profiles to source to agents.
Incels make up a significant portion of Trump's base Why wouldn't he reward them with a government-issued girlfriend? Or at least a sex doll.
'These sexually frustrated men believe that society is biased against them, so they should be given a "government-issued girlfriend."'
Universal Basic Intercourse?
If the government can steal someone's labor, why can't it steal someone's sexual utility?
Maybe it should be a human right?
Federal minimum blow jobs?
Bake that cake.
"There were more incidents of statutory rape between female teachers and their underage of consent male students in 2024 (79) than all the active shooting incidents by “Incels” since 2014 (4). Why aren’t female teacher who match a profile not considered ‘terrorists’ or ‘groomers’?"
https://x.com/RationalMale/status/1879208768703221785
Im not gonna excuse teacher-student sex. Even if the student is at or above the age of consent, the teacher must be shown the door.
However,
teacher-student sex sometimes creates life.
Some juvenile gang member hunting down rival gang members at school usually destroys life.
Incels, white supremacists, black separatists, anarchists, sovereign citizens, environmentalists, anti-abortionists,...don't Juggalos rate any more?
If you are mad that you can't get a girlfriend, you are not acting like a man. Perhaps that is part of the reason you can't get a girlfriend.
It’s hard to find women that aren’t used up train wrecks, or slovenly entitled idiots. And there is a tendency for non conservative women to be narcissistic bitches in this country.
so they should be given a "government-issued girlfriend."
I notice you avoided the actual term they used: Sexual Marxism.
I wonder why. Marxist.
independent journalist Ken Klippenstein shared it on social media.
Not a journalist.
Law enforcement puts a lot of energy—perhaps more than the public realizes—into tracking down violent online fantasies.
Unless they're LGBT Pedo. Then it's living your truth, affirmations, and rainbow flags galore.
a Yahoo Answers user who posted that he felt "like bringing a gun to school" because he is "white and racially bullied on a daily basis" and called an "incel loser."
I'm not sure that being "called" an incel loser is the same as being an incel loser. The term gets used as a slur pretty frequently.
But all that information is not always put together in a coherent way.
Kinda like at Reason.
The amount of people on the internet accused of being incels who have documented girlfriends/wives/are gay outstrips the actual amount of incels by several orders of magnitude. Part of this of course is because the actual incel population is really fucking small but also at a time when the racist and sexist cards were becoming useless proggies needed another name to call their opponents so they took statements from like 3 posts from 4chan and 2 from reddit by a couple of losers to create a new threat and called it a day.
I'm not sure that being "called" an incel loser is the same as being an incel loser. The term gets used as a slur pretty frequently.
Not to mention the unbridled spuriousness and invasiveness of surveilling or suspecting someone because (other people think) they don't get laid enough. The more things change...
Now if you don't mind I have to get an APB out on a white male, 17 to 34, with or without a beard, maybe a tattoo, who's impotent.
Hasn't the Supreme Court issued clear guidelines on what constitutes a "true threat" for which someone can be prosecuted, and what does not? It seems to me that many of the cases these Fusion Centers, and police in general, warn about do not rise to the level of "true threats", and should not be publicized by authorities. That includes both "incels" and other categories of "extremists".
Of course they are - that's safer than watching Muslims or Antifa or illegal alien gangs.
How many on this Wall of Shame are incels?
https://www.jewishcommunitywatch.org/wall-of-shame/
Is this another one of those 4chan memes that the news reports as factual? Like Pepe or the "OK" hand sign?
The Incel Movement is a serious problem. NOT because they are virgins. Most virgins are NOT Incels, most dudes without girlfriends are NOT Incels. To be incel one needs the whole mindset that the world is against them and the only avenue towards fairness is violence. As a poorly organized movement they are adamant that they are victims justified in the use of violence to get their way.
Most are not violent of course. Just like most Sovereigntists are not violent. Just like most White Supremacists are not violent. Just like most crack heads are not violent. But the movement provides cover to those who are.
This is NOT to say the cops should be employing these tactics, or providing taxpayer funded girlfriends, or whatever. But given the history, one can't blithely hand wave the problem away with a laugh. Having encountered some of these people, they are seriously unhinged. Absolutely on the same order as White Supremacists or Sovereigntists.
Stop whining about women. It's painfully obvious that a whole lot of incels are classic self-loathing closet cases. They're terrified that women will see right throuhg them, so they try to disguise their fear as angry and sometime violent misogyny.
Just come out, find yourself a nice boy and suck some dick. You'll be much happier.
A girlfriend will be deemed the next human right? WTF?