Justin Trudeau's 'One Regret' Is Not Implementing Ranked Choice Voting in Canada
The outgoing Canadian prime minister says ranked choice voting would change how political parties and voters approach elections. He's right.

As he heads for the exit, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his "one regret" is not overhauling the voting system Canadians will use to choose the next parliamentary majority.
"I do wish that we'd been able to change the way we elect our governments in this country so that people could simply choose a second choice or a third choice on the same ballot," Trudeau said in his resignation statement earlier this week.
He's talking about ranked choice voting, which has been adopted in two American states and a few dozen smaller jurisdictions. Under that format for deciding elections, candidates must get a majority of the votes cast (rather than simply getting the largest plurality, as in the more widely used first-past-the-post system). The candidate with the fewest votes in the first round of counting is eliminated, and his or her votes are redistributed to other candidates depending on those voters' second choice. The process repeats until someone has a clear majority.
Trudeau said that a ranked-choice system means "parties would spend more time trying to be peoples' second or third choices, and people would be looking for things they have in common."
That's a small but vital change. Under a first-past-the-post system, candidates have no incentive to be a second choice, since voters are only able to vote for one option—even if they see that option as merely the lesser of two evils, as is often the case.
That incentivizes a lot of nasty things like the negative partisanship that has come to define so much of American politics lately—and, apparently, Canadian politics too, though I'm sure they are more polite about it. That, in turn, might be contributing to the decline in satisfaction with democracy on display across most of the world right now. In Canada, for example, Gallup found that just 52 percent of people are satisfied with democracy in 2024, down from 66 percent a few years ago.
An electoral system that incentivizes candidates and parties to do a better job appealing to the median voter might help turn that trend around. Your first choice for office might lose, but you might get more satisfaction out of seeing a second- or third-choice candidate win, rather than the all-or-nothing process that's more widely used now.
As Trudeau also mentioned in his remarks, he did not have the power as prime minister to unilaterally change Canada's electoral system. Convincing political parties to support this switch has been a problem in the U.S. too, as evidenced by the successful campaigns against voting reforms in several western states last year.
Still, probably the most surprising thing about all this is Trudeau labeling the ranked choice voting issue as his "one regret," when it seems like there should be at least a few others. For example, the vaccine mandate for many Canadian workers and anyone who wanted to cross the country's border, or the aggressive response to the protests triggered by those policies—including freezing the bank accounts of some truckers who were peacefully protesting the rules. He should probably also regret weakening Canada's protections for free speech.
Against that track record, Trudeau saying that he regrets failing to change Canada's electoral system comes off as a bit cynical—as if he believes he'd have been able to stay in power if ranked choice voting was used, despite how many Canadians dislike him. But that's not quite right. Trudeau has been forced out by members of his own party, not because he lost an election (the American equivalent would be the unseating of then-Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy in 2023).
Ranked choice voting wouldn't have saved Trudeau from being bounced from power. Still, the outgoing prime minister is correct that it would offer a better way for Canadians to signal their political preferences in the upcoming general election.
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Ranked choice voting, where implemented in the US, has resulted in Democrats winning. That means it's a bunch of shit. Had it resulted in Republican victories that would be a different story. But it didn't.
The fact Trudeau thinks it's a good idea is indicative enough of that already.
Runoff elections are bullshit, too. If someone can't convince enough people to vote for them amongst several candidates, they don't deserve a second shot against the leading vote-getter.
The fact Trudeau thinks it's a good idea is indicative enough of that already.
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"B-b-b-b-b-but Trudeau thinks it's a good idea"
Ranked choice voting always means the establishment man none of the voters never wanted takes the cup.
Even Sarc knows that, see: Ranked choice voting, where implemented in the US, has resulted in Democrats winning
Sarcs goals and beliefs align with democrats.
He wants to institute a system in which he thinks will let the Democrats always win, but don't you dare call him a Democrat, Jesse.
You losers make more posts about me than I make myself.
I looked. All of them are simian Orangopox victims I mooted long ago. Their only function is to make Reason stink in the nostrils of the unwary who haven't used the Moot Lewser option.
I don't agree with almost anything you say, Sarc. But that got a smile out of me.
He IS their creature.
Republicans don't like ranked choice because they are never anybody's second choice.
Democrats like it because they're never anyone's first.
Sloppy thirds is another plan to get rid of law-changing libertarian spoiler vote pressure. Places that fall for it become shitholes. Bad enough that the Nixon Anti-Libertarian law was taken up by a bunch of looter states: https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2015/09/05/nixons-anti-libertarian-law/
Their system is already effectively ranked choice. Minority parties gain power by getting competing similar parties that represent to majority to split their votes.
No tears shed for Trudeau. RCV is not a good system.
Of all the things Trudeau has to regret, that should be at the bottom of his list. And I say that as a fan of ranked choice voting.
While I agree that ranked choice voting is better than first past the gate, that change alone will make almost no difference in two-party lesser of two evils nasty situation we have now. The only way to make a difference in that mess would be to elect all state and federal representatives at-large, state by state. Proportional representation is the only way to get significant input from wider range of political positions.
The only way to make a difference in that mess would be to elect all state and federal representatives at-large, state by state.
I've given that some thought. What if the state is majority one party with pockets of the other party? If everyone is elected at-large, then those pockets will get no representation because the majority will select the majority party. Whereas with districting those pockets, assuming they're not defeated by gerrymandering, will elect people from the other party. Or am I missing something?
Suppose there are no pockets but the libertarians are scattered around the state. If libertarians are eight percent of the total vote then they get eight percent of the total representatives. Nothing can improve the representation in a state that is 92% R or 92% D, but most states are something like 45% R or D and 55% "other" which could lead to representation in the legislatures and Congress of something like 45% D, 25% R, 15% L, 8% S and 7% C. Then no one party could implement legislation or pass a budget without at least one other Party concurring.
I don't follow. Please elaborate. The way I see it if 50.0000001% of active voters are for party A, and they all vote for at large candidates who belong to party A, then everyone else is disenfranchised. What am I missing? Are you talking about a parliamentary system where representatives are chosen by the parties based upon what percentage of votes went to to the party?
No, we're talking about ranked choice at-large voting. You vote for your favorite candidate who is a D. I vote for my favorite candidate who is an L. There are 35 seats for representatives; there are one million voters in the state. Divide one million voters by 35 seats, arriving at 28,572 votes necessary to elect. Any candidate who gets that number of votes is automatically elected on the first round. Any extra votes go to the voters' second choices. On each round anyone who gets 28,572 votes is then elected until all seats are filled. If there are 28,572 votes for Libertarians, one L is elected.
Interesting. Thanks for the food for thought.
Any candidate who gets that number of votes is automatically elected on the first round. Any extra votes go to the voters' second choices.
How do you determine which voters have their second choices counted?
Let's say in your example, candidate A gets 58,572 votes, 30,000 more votes than needed to get elected. You're saying that Candidate A's vote total is reduced to 28,572 and 30,000 of those ballots have their second choice receive a vote instead? How do you determine which of those ballots is selected? Seeing as the primary choice on those ballots was awarded an electoral victory and now those ballots are being used to determine another election winner, how is that not like having a vote counted twice?
Good question, and there are different responses depending on what your goal is. The most common method would be to timestamp the votes and count them in the order of receipt. If your first choice has already been seated then your second choice is assigned your vote for that round. If your second choice has already won, then your third choice gets your vote and so on. Your vote is never counted twice because your first choice has already won and your vote is not assigned to that candidate.
Hm, interesting. If that method is known it might incentivize people to wait to vote later in the day, or whatever period the jurisdiction allows for open voting. Your first vote would always count if needed to get your most preferred candidate elected, but if you vote later on your most preferred candidate might already have won, and so your second choice gets your vote.
You are falling for the John Sherman argument that people who vote for looters rather than what they want are winners, not dupes. Sherman spouted this to elect Foraker, who lost. Sloppy seconds/thirds is a gambit to keep libertarian spoiler votes from repealing the 16th Amendment and mischief from the 18th Amendment. Both were installed by small looter parties averaging under 2% of the vote. The LP is designed to REPEAL looter laws by the same method, so suddenly normal elections can't work anymore with non-looters as the spoiler clout party. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2024/12/28/voting-and-probability/
I'm not sure who you are addressing that to, but it is incorrect. The reason ranked choice voting is better than first-past-the-gate voting becomes apparent only in the context of at large elections for representatives as I described before.
What do you mean by proportional representation here? ARe you thinking have a single election for all House members and the top N vote getters are the winners?
Proportional representation is nothing more than elevating party/faction over individual. That is why every system that has PR has parties that are essentially cults of personality. Not all of them but forcing a candidate to bargain their way up to a higher position on a party list is contrary to forcing candidates to directly address voters.
That said - the real problem is elections themselves. Finding the PERFECT way to ensure representation by everyone in a system where not everyone is going to be represented in a final decision. It doesn't exist and can never exist. But we strangle ourselves with the notion that it can exist and create a 'consent of the governed'.
Liquid democracy is maybe the closest way to approximate (with candidates and elections) the same thing that ballot initiatives/referenda do on policy issues directly. But try explaining that to voters.
JFree - obviously there is NO perfect way of electing representatives. First you decide what the goal is. In this case, the current system results in an unbreakable two party system and the "lesser of two evils" vote. My goal is to have no one party in a position to dictate legislation, so that voters are rewarded for voting for the candidate that best represents their actual political opinions.
Since my individual vote can never matter, my goal is more meta. To diminish the confidence of others that their vote matters. Hopefully to lower voter turnout and raise the profile of alternatives to elections. It's one reason I like sortition as an alternative to 'representation'.
As usual, Eric is missing the point. The goal is not necessarily to get the people to be satisfied with democracy, and it's not necessarily to incentivize politicians to try to become the voters' second choice. The goal is to limit the power and scope of government to interfere in our private lives. America was never intended to be a democracy and we should not support the notion now, no matter how many allegations of existential threats they make. A democratic REPUBLIC can only succeed if the power of the officials is limited in theory AND in practice. As long as officials feel comfortable violating the Constitution with the only consequence being to have to withdraw their actions six months or two years later when some court finally says so, none of us should be "satisfied with democracy!" When criminal charges are routinely filed against officials who violate the Constitution they swore to uphold and defend; and when 3,990 of the over 4,000 federal laws and regulations on the books have been repealed or stricken down; then and only then can we be satisfied, and it will no longer matter how the officials are elected.
In California it means the state ballot only ever has a choice between Democrats.
No, jungle primaries are what makes CA voting a pretextual choice. Ranked choice voting without jungle primaries would reduce (though not necessarily eliminate) that problem.
So, jungle primaries are the problem, rather flatly asserting that if we got rid of jungle primaries it would get rid of the problem, but if we went with RCV without jungle primaries, then it would only kinda reduce-but-not-eliminate the jungle primary problem?
And you consider yourself a fan of RCV?
I suppose maybe you meant, in spite of what you said, that jungle primaries are part of what makes CA voting superfluous, but then the point still stands, RCV without jungle primaries, at best, fractionally fixes the fractional problem (indirectly).
Since it has been mathematically proven that representational voting can never be perfect (I can't remember the journal article right now but I'll come back to cite it if I can quickly find it), fractional improvement is the best we can hope for.
Even fractional improvement is still improvement.
(I can't remember the journal article right now but I'll come back to cite it if I can quickly find it)
It's a whole field of mathematics called apportionment, related to and arguably derivative of optimization where, the more constraints you put on a system, the more difficult, if not impossible, it becomes to optimize. You can do proportional representation perfectly, but you can't abide one man, one vote nor can you allow candidates to hold multiple, potentially the same, views.
Even fractional improvement is still improvement.
You've been lied to that having two parties intrinsically is a flaw in need of improvement. The idea comes from the theory by an avowed and ardent communist (who, in the late 50s, felt Stalin wasn't notably worse than any other leader) interpreted through a vague correlation, and rebranded as a law specifically to undermine confidence in the democratic process.
Even in our current system nominally part of the problem is that one party is captured or the two parties are a false option offered by the uniparty. To wit, spinning up three or more parties to generate greater faith via rank-choice is a fractional improvement of the false options. And, again, Lincoln, Hitler, Moussilini (who only ran against one candidate but the government was multi-party)... there is a thousand years of history showing that two-party vs. multi-party systems being more or less stable is a moot point predicated on the false assumption that all social and/or political unrest or turmoil arises from strictly political sources.
CA has had libertarians on the ballot since the early days, despite the Nixon anti-Libertarian law. How else can they relegalize LSD?
Trudeau may be right that ranked choice will change how people approach elections, but that does not make it a desirable change, especially coming from him.
Trudeau is crying crocodile tears, rank choice voting would have put either Singh or O'Toole in the PM seat in the last two elections.
Justin Trudeau's 'One Regret' Is Not Implementing Ranked Choice Voting in Canada
Of course it is.
If he had he wouldn't have to resign and all the stupid Canadian voters could go fuck themselves.
What better admission that RCV is designed to keep leftists in power does anyone need?
Well, it's designed to keep establishment politicians in power. There's nothing in they system itself that favors leftists. If the country were dominated by a conservative establishment or if it were adopted in a very Republican state, then it would serve to keep them in power.
If the country were dominated by a conservative establishment or if it were adopted in a very Republican state, then it would serve to keep them in power.
Uh... you do know that Palin and Begich lost the Governorship of *Alaska* because of RCV, right?
So what is the mechanism of RCV that favors leftists specifically? And how many Republicans were on the ballot?
I believe what Mad.Casual was speaking to is Alaska, being a generally 'red state' had an 'anomaly' and kicked out their two republican candidates in favor of a left/liberal dark horse-- in an unprecedented RCV election- and also open primary election. So the implication is that RCV didn't swing in favor of the general state leanings.
I'll try to keep my comment to under 3000 words, but I've been critical of RCV/Top Three/First Past the Post/Democracy Voucher/round robin/musical chairs jiggery pokery for a long time now, because it seems to be a way of effing with a fairly simple system that works well, with a more algorithmic system replete with shadow bans, section 230 style election moderation systems where what you vote for might not be what you get at third glance. Putting that aside I haven't looked at the Alaska situation much, but when you start messing with weird systems where round one you count these votes, then round two these votes get thrown away, etc. etc., it just starts making me very uncomfortable.
Having said all that, I do remember at the time I said something like "The real test is to see of Peltola keeps her seat after the super-special open primary rcv election.
To wit:
Now read that three times fast. I'm no political scientist, but that whole thing seemed like a bunch of men in a burlap sack swapping hats for a living.
Anyhoo, again, as I said, "Let's see what happens during the next non-special election and see if Alaskans' really really super really wanted Peltola-- or it was just a big anomaly of RCV/T3/RR/DV/MC voting.
On November 20, it was announced that Begich defeated Peltola.[49] In the first round, Begich received 48.42% of the vote against Peltola's 46.36%. After other candidates were eliminated, the final round resulted in Begich receiving 51.3% of the vote against Peltola's 48.7%, making him the winner.[50][51]
She lost in 2024.
In my opinion, the RCV situation in Alaska probably can't be separated from the thing they also passed at the same time: open primaries. To ape the media when I don't have an easy answer: It's complicated.
To ape the media when I don't have an easy answer: It's complicated.
Right. What I do know is there is a lot of Hari-Seldon-style psychohistory "The two-party system does *this*." and "Ranked-choice voting does *that*." espoused when, empirically and theoretically/mathematically, neither one/none of them does anything of the sort.
Again, the whole debate stems from the assertion that the two-party system is some exceptionally inherently evil thing according to a political science "law" derived as a vague correlation from a guy who agreed that Stalin's political purges were a good thing.
Alaska was largely LP back in the day. Republicans dedicated all fraud and boodle to defeating libertarians whatever the cost. The social pressure exposed by the Solomon Asch experiment breaks down when there is a non-looter noticing the Emperor's bare butt. It's that simple. Shoot-first prohibitionism and girl-bullying are Christian National Socialist priorities above all else. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2016/09/12/the-25-v-social-pressure/
So the status quo voting system is a terrible system but it is an easy system for Rick James to understand so we are stuck with it forever. Got it.
Voter behavior. Which group of voters are more pragmatic and comfortable with settling on a lessor choice? In Alaska, one of the problems they had was that many voters refused to play. They entered their one and only choice and no other. When the ballot counting went past the 1st round, those people were effectively disenfranchised.
You get one vote. Let's keep it that way.
So what is the mechanism of RCV that favors leftists specifically? And how many Republicans were on the ballot?
I didn't say it favors Leftists specifically. You don't even have to use left or right or good and bad. Factually popular (most support from most of the populace, however defined or conceptualized) or unpopular and factually activist (most legal or executive action promised or taken) or pacifist is sufficient. The underlying motivation is predicated on the patently false notion(s) that popular leaders are always activists or become activists (disparately in two-party systems) and/or political pacifists are never inherently popular or become unpopular.
As I point out below, the whole notion comes from a guy who thought Stalin's purges were a good thing because it kept the average Soviet citizen motivated to support the Party/State. the fact that this fascination comes at a time when The Party is rather overtly trying to portray a factually popular moderate/pacifist as unpopular in this country and an unpopular activist as a popular moderate up North speaks volumes (again) about the author, the magazine, and the associated political ideology.
Point being, the whole concept down to the fundamental precepts is a lie and there are so many patently false and contradictory claims about RCV that I don't believe any of it that I can't see with my own eyes. I'm even somewhat skeptical of Round Robin without some sort of zero-knowledge validation protocol because, as I indicate repeatedly, if nefarious actors were to dump 100,000 votes/ballots in, even in a population of 100,000 people, the ability to prove malfeasance is harder with RCV-Round Robin. Even at that, arguably, voting cost increases (Do *you* want to sift through 50 candidates in order to cast a ballot?) become an undue burden.
It bothers me that "IRV" has fallen into disuse and "RCV" adopted to mean the same thing, when intrinsically there exist more than one back end that RCV can be resolved by. If they mean IRV, why don't they say "IRV" instead of fuzzing it like this?
If they mean IRV, why don't they say "IRV" instead of fuzzing it like this?
Advanced incompetence is impossible to distinguish from malfeasance.
IMO, as indicated, without some sort of ZKP, even Round Robin doesn't fix the critical security issues associated with multi-option voting.
But, to my first sentence, Round Robin and other backends aren't new, as old as the country itself. The only reason you would switch to RCV *and* not Round Robin or some other backend is either ignorance (despite 200 yrs. of history and unprecedented access to historical knoweldge) or any one of a number of nefarious plans or ideas.
This is just a complete misunderstanding of RCV. RCV absolutely does not keep "the establishment" in power. If anything it does the opposite. You no longer have to vote for the establishment's candidate that won a primary or "the other guy". You get all the choices, and you get to pick the order in wish you prefer them. If enough other people agree with you, then your guy wins. If not, then you didn't throw away your vote because on each elimination round, your next most wanted candidate gets your vote. The only way you lose voting power in RCV is if you are too dumb to rank all the candidates that you prefer over the rest. If you ONLY pick your favorite candidate, then this is how you lose voting power if they get knocked out early. At worst, RCV doesn't change the status quo, at medium it sends a strong message when a less established character gets a good showing in the first few rounds, but doesn't win, and best it allows candidates to win regardless of what the major parties want to be their front runner.
If not, then you didn't throw away your vote because on each elimination round, your next most wanted candidate gets your vote. The only way you lose voting power in RCV is if you are too dumb to rank all the candidates that you prefer over the rest.
Again, patently false. Plain as day:
FPTP or plurality-
1 man = 1 ballot = 1 vote
RCV-
1 man = 1 ballot = potentially infinite votes
An individual's voting power is inherently diluted not by the number of people around him, but by the number of candidates whether he selects any/all of them or not. Parties or governments can whimsically manipulate the total number of votes by running more candidates or not. And this is all before the intricacies of throwing out someone's second and lower vote*s* because their first vote was too popular while someone whose primary vote was unpopular gets one *or more* of their votes counted (to say nothing of locking people in their homes and then mailing out ballots to them, the empty lots next to them, people in cemeteries...).
Ultimately, as I indicated below, Duverger's Law and the falsehood it has propagated needs to die. Duverger himself was an admirer of and apologist for the Soviet Union and patently ignores the fact that even in his own and several other nation's histories proportional representation and rule by n-parties/factions routinely broke down and produced outcomes far worse than bifurcation or even monarchism ever did.
People are not dumb if they have principles and support the candidate that best matches those and decline to support the runner up.
The entire point of a majority rule race is for ONE person to win. Not have a participation trophy from the runners up.
Why not allow people to pick their one favored candidate for all rounds?
This is just a complete misunderstanding of RCV. RCV absolutely does not keep "the establishment" in power. If anything it does the opposite. You no longer have to vote for the establishment's candidate that won a primary or "the other guy".
I don't know what political district you live in, where you live and what the general voting patterns are, but this is nothing more than RCV wishcasting.
I have argued repeatedly, that from my experience, if you have an area that leans blue (or red, it doesn't matter) it will lean harder blue (or red) due to the way most people vote. It has been my general experience that the established power has the most likely chance of fielding 'spoiler candidates', which then cause the occasional opposite party to be voted in- via vote divisions in the dominant party. No one notices if there's a vote division in the non-dominant party-- because all that means is the non-dominant party remains... non-dominant. But in a sans RCV situation, when you have Stalin running against Pol Pot on one side, and Republican candidate who runs a chain of dry cleaners on the other, Pol Pot spoils it for Stalin and Dry Cleaner Republican slips in due to the plurality of standard majority voting systems.
But if your district is mainly sympathetic to both Pol Pot AND Stalin, they'll vote Stalin with a just-in-case thrown to Pol Pot. Pol Pot will probably lose, and Stalin wins anyway.
It makes voting for the similar-but-less-likely-to-win candidate a 'safer option'. I'm sure there are some truly middle-of-the-road political districts where the population doesn't see party affiliation and is really just concerned with the garbage being picked up and the dog catcher doing his job and sure, some people put the Democrat as choice 1 and the Republican as choice 2. But again, in my personal experience, it'll be Democrat choice 1, green party choice 2, revolutionary socialist choice 3, Khmer Rouge choice 4 and the Republican will never see the light of day.
And just because I use the left-leaning as an example doesn't mean that there may not be right-leaning districts which work the same way.
But again, in my personal experience, it'll be Democrat choice 1, green party choice 2, revolutionary socialist choice 3, Khmer Rouge choice 4 and the Republican will never see the light of day.
But what you are describing is not just one voter, but an entire district, that is dominated by not just slightly-left-of-center Democrats (if they were, they might be willing to put a Republican as choice 2 or 3), but is dominated by radical left-wing progressives. If that is the case, then don't they deserve a left-wing progressive as a representative? That's kinda how representative democracy works.
I could play the same game with a solid red district where the choices are 1. establishment Republican 2. MAGA cultist 3. QAnon retard 4. Bible thumping theocrat, and then maybe choice 5 is some milquetoast Democrat. If the overwhelming majority of the district is filled with voters who are going to only choose either 1-4 and will never ever choose the Democrat, then they ought to be entitled to have one of their 1-4 choices as their representative and not to ever have choice 5 Democrat just because of some dirty vote-splitting tricks.
Alaska is overwhelmingly Republican.
Yet RCV put a Democrat in Congress.
RCV is just a means of delegitimizing election results. Months for somebody to randomly win is a poor solution for voting.
Because Trudeau is a piece of shit, his only regrets will be things he could have done that he thinks would have kept him in power.
Pretty much this. This is the guy who for the first time in Canadian history invoked the Emergencies Act to steal money from a bunch of truck drivers. The idea that he wants to give The People a greater voice is total horseshit. But Boehm fell for it. Predictably.
In Canada, for example, Gallup found that just 52 percent of people are satisfied with democracy in 2024, down from 66 percent a few years ago.
Curious as to what the other 48% want; seems Castreau was about as opposite any concept of "democracy" as I can imagine.
An end to the mandatory, rationing, socialized medicine up there?
They want an election, which Jagmeet has refused to allow.
Canada is already a parliamentary system.
Ranked choice would only ensure that never changes.
This doesn't make any sense. Why would they not want to be a parliamentary system? How does RCV "ensure that never changes"? RCV is entirely separate from the parliamentary system although I agree that it complements it and helps prevent a two-party controlled system.
Why would they not want to be a parliamentary system?
Because the executive power answers to the Parliament, not to the people.
This is a/the perpetual flaw of RCV. It assumes patently wrong and false ideas, even retconning them to market ideas and then advertises them beyond their worth.
False options are a thing. More options are not necessarily better options and while a market will digest the cost of such options, a government can only pass the cost on to the taxpayer. An executive controlled by parliament isn't going to be affected one way or the other by RCV, it will just give the (again false) impression that Parliament, which appointed Trudeau in the first place, is doing more/a better job representing the people.
Ultimately, Duverger's "Law", in a Robin Hood fashion, needs to die. It's not a physical or natural law like gravity and even Duverger himself acknowledges that there are violations of it (thus the frequent use of the 'tends toward' phrasing rather than just 'moves to' or becomes). Even his own semi-presidential Republic of France and other proportional representation schemes were in place for the rise of Emperor Napoleon I, Chancellor Hitler in Germany, and Vladimir Putin in Russia.
The whole notion that two-party controlled systems never pass into or out of three (or more) party systems and the parties never change or switch places and always and exclusively produce some sort of incoherent political cataclysm is patently absurd on several levels even just in US history.
Justin Trudeau's 'One Regret' Is Not Implementing Ranked Choice Voting in Canada
I bet he does regret that... *stares, arms crossed, waiting for the irony bell to ring*
Rank choice order of my favorite RCV proponents:
1. Reason Magazine
2. Chase Oliver ([glances around, lowers voice] because he's gay)
3. Justin Trudeau
Big surprise. The flagship magazine of the "Let's run a no-name election spoiler who supports our agenda of 'just a little bit of state-sponsored child castration'." Party supports the insane "More choices are always better choices." voting policy.
The adderall methampetamine caucus
I might put so,e stock I’m what Oliver says, but he just isn’t nearly gay enough.
Chase Oliver is gay?
Wait...What?!
Whatever, as long as all the free shit or grant paychecks for votes keep flying.
Justin Trudeau's 'One Regret' Is Not Implementing Ranked Choice Voting in Canada
That says everything I need to know about Ranked Choice Voting.
Once again, I reject the underlying notion that a/the two-party system is somehow inherently or exceptionally fatal. Indeed, the very notion seems to be founded in a socialist/imperialist idea of balkanization, that people should be *more* divided and more rigidly than just pro- or anti-abortion or pro- or anti-affirmative action and switching from the anti-abortion party to the pro-affirmative action party rather than represented by their own faction.
This is exceptionally humorous when pointing to Justin Trudeau's enormously popular exit at a time when, relatively unprecedentedly, a (former) New York Democrat wins non-sequential Presidential elections auspiciously on the will of the rural and working class and won with the help of a pro-Science, eco-conscious South African who proudly declares that he didn't reject The Left, the Left rejected him.
Your morals, ethics, ideas, and pseudo-culture sucks. It's founded on lies, obfuscation, misdirection, and inconsistency. No voting method or choice of leaders is going to fix it. You should abandon it and get or make a better one yourself.
It would seem that, once again, the method of 'deflect by accusing the opposition of that which you yourself are guilty' and/or stated desires vs. revealed preferences are at play. Setting aside the flim flam of (pseudo-)scientific law identifying a *correlation* Duverger would, in fact, seem to prefer the routine purges of socialism and, comparatively, find a/the two-party system too stabilizing. At the very least, if he found Stalin no better or worse than any tyrant or predecessor, his assertion as to the desirability, or not, of a two-party system should be highly suspect.
Just a clarification for American readers: Trudeau was not "forced out" by his caucus. In fact, they had no power whatsoever to remove him. The previous PM, Stephen Harper, brought in something called "The Reform Act" that allowed each party to decide whether caucus should have the power to remove the leader. Only the Conservative Party adopted that power. So there was absolutely nothing Liberal MP's could do to remove Trudeau. Similarly, the Liberal Party itself had no way to remove Trudeau, since they only do a leadership review at a biannual convention AFTER the party has lost an election.
So Trudeau could have stayed regardless of what every single MP thought (and they wouldn't have expressed those thoughts since he alone decides whether they get to run under the party banner.
So yes, he is saying that if he had managed to get ranked voting in place, he would have stayed and contested another election on the presumption that radical left wing Liberal voters who placed third would have shifted their votes to radical left wing NDP, and vice versa, shutting out the Conservatives who aren't yet at 50% of the vote in polls. And he knows that there is no more loyal junior acolyte than the NDP leader, Jagmeet Singh.
It was only the almost certainty of a humiliating defeat at the polls that caused him to resign the Liberal Party leadership (though like Banquo's Ghost, he will be hanging around for another couple months as PM while the Liberals decide which of them gets to wear the noose for the next election, while Canada continues to crumble).
Canada is where pregnant women and others rejecting enslavement have gone for relative freedom for over half a century. Now is a good time for them to rediscover laissez-faire, especially as the only country in the Hemisphere (ignoring Haiti and a Guyana) peopled by folks that understand the expression.
He's lying his fucking ass off, by the way.
Trudeau had a perfectly good opportunity to push for RCV. He was elected in 2015 on a platform promising electoral reform, and his minority government was dependent on the NDP (which has long pushed specifically for ranked choice).
So, he didn't enact it, because . . . well, the generous argument is that he was told in private by his backbenchers that they'd defy him and mass defect against the platform they were elected on.
But that wouldn't explain why he didn't make any public effort to push a specific reform plan, in hopes of swaying his caucus.
"For example, the vaccine mandate for many Canadian workers and anyone who wanted to cross the country's border, or the aggressive response to the protests triggered by those policies—including freezing the bank accounts of some truckers who were peacefully protesting the rules. He should probably also regret weakening Canada's protections for free speech."
Gosh, Eric. Does that perfectly mirror the actions of any party you voted for reluctantly and strategically?
"...'It looked like Armageddon': 5 dead as California wildfires rage in LA area..."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/thousands-flee-homes-burn-as-wind-driven-fires-rage-in-california-live-updates/ar-AA1xaAee?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Regardless of the fantasies of dimbulbs, this is what you get; those energized by a 51% vote total think they have dictatorial powers.
"Damn I wish I could have rigged all our future elections."
"Justin Trudeau's 'One Regret' Is Not Implementing Ranked Choice Voting in Canada."
Trudy Trudeau wants ranked choice so the electorate will not have an opportunity to vote for the person they prefer, and no wonder.
Trudeau is the closest thing Canada had as a dictator.
Canada should mark the day he resigned and make it a national holiday.
Call it, "Liberation Day."
Imagine a race in which the frontrunner candidate was 100% anti slavery, and the other was 100% pro slavery.
They get 90% of the vote. Most of the remaining 10% is spread around communists who oppose slavery but would instill socialist regime and central planning. The rest is divided up between moderates who say "let states decide" and racists who support slavery in theory but would support the frontrunner's nationalist agenda.
Do you see the problem here? Liberty has a much harder path to victory. The anti slavery side winning with 47% of the vote in a low turnout election is an absolute triumph. They don't have to cater to commies or nationalists who might have put them as second choice. Elections should be about informed decisions, not winning a threshold for votes. It's not about "representing all views", which is the kind of ridiculous fantasy that's at the heart of DEI. You need the fringes of society to either sit out instead of forcing viable candidates to entertain their fantasies.
Why do we need a threshold? Does the guy who won 57% of 700 votes have greater mandate than a guy who won 49% of 3 million votes? Ranked choice sort of make sense in a vacuum where all sides have some merit and would form alliances for a greater good. That won't happen.
I used to be a proponent of RCV, and voted for it here in Minneapolis. Certainly other factors are at play, but since adoption we have lost all of our ideological diversity and successful 3rd party candidates as the council has lurched hard to the Left.