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Government Shutdown

Third Time's the Charm?

Plus: House Speaker Elon Musk, the value of the debt ceiling, and D.C.'s shut down specials.

Christian Britschgi | 12.20.2024 9:45 AM

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Take three: Congress is scrambling to put together a passable spending deal that will avoid a government shutdown for the third time this week after the House resoundingly rejected a compromise continuing resolution worked out by President-elect Donald Trump and House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.).

In a Thursday afternoon tally, representatives voted 174-235 against the Johnson-Trump compromise measure that would have kept the government open through March, spent another $100 billion on disaster relief, and raised the debt ceiling (which the federal government is currently projected to hit in June 2025) for two years.

This second spending deal was offered as an alternative to the first continuing resolution Johnson had worked out with Democrats. That deal also would have kept the government open until March, spent an additional $100 billion on disaster relief, and enacted a bunch of one-off unrelated policies about investment in China, regulation of pharmacy benefit managers, and football stadiums in D.C.

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Conservative Republicans balked at that deal for giving far too much away to Democrats. Billionaire Elon Musk went on a social media tirade against the legislation. Eventually, Trump came out against it as well, effectively killing it.

This second Trump-Johnson deal fared even worse. It lost the support of all Democrats while failing to net the support of dozens of Republican fiscal hawks who objected to needlessly raising the debt ceiling without any offsetting spending cuts.

"My position is simple—I am not going to raise or suspend the debt ceiling (racking up more debt) without significant & real spending cuts attached to it," said Rep. Chip Roy (R–Texas).

My position is simple - I am not going to raise or suspend the debt ceiling (racking up more debt) without significant & real spending cuts attached to it. I've been negotiating to that end. No apologies. CC: @realDonaldTrump @SpeakerJohnson @SenJohnThune @freedomcaucus

— Chip Roy (@chiproytx) December 19, 2024

If Congress passes nothing, the federal government will shut down at midnight tonight. Reuters reports that Johnson is insisting that Congress will manage to avoid a shutdown, saying "we will come up with another solution." But he didn't offer details on what that solution will be.

Speaker Elon: A few fiscal hawks in Congress are so frustrated with how this process has played out that they're now suggesting a radical change in management. They want House Speaker Elon Musk.

Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) first raised this idea yesterday morning in a tweet, suggesting that making Musk speaker would be just the thing we'd need to disrupt the "uniparty."

The Speaker of the House need not be a member of Congress . . .  

Nothing would disrupt the swamp more than electing Elon Musk . . . think about it .  . . nothing's impossible. (not to mention the joy at seeing the collective establishment, aka 'uniparty,' lose their ever-lovin'…

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) December 19, 2024

Sen. Mike Lee (R–Utah) suggested that either Musk or Vivek Ramaswamy, co-leads of the advisory Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), would make a worthy replacement for Johnson.

Lee: I don't think the speaker is going to remain in power.. We need bold new leadership, outside leadership and I think it needs to be a doge speaker. Needs to be either Vivek Ramaswamy or Elon Musk. pic.twitter.com/W7TrN0Ptjq

— Acyn (@Acyn) December 20, 2024

Over at The Dispatch, Nick Catoggio catalogs how Republican lawmakers, even if they're not nominating Musk for speaker, are still crediting him with blowing up Johnson's first spending deal.

What's remarkable about that, notes Catoggio, is that Musk moved not just Congress but Trump himself. The president-elect was reportedly fine with Johnson's initial spending plan until the world's richest man started posting incessantly about how much it sucked.

"If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time since Trump took over the [Republican] party that some other populist has managed to impose his will on it," he writes.

Catoggio is pretty gloomy about this development, and not without reason. Government by billionaire social media posting isn't ideal.

Still, the tension created by Musk and Trump's dual influence on the GOP might prove productive.

Republicans have been so obsequious to Trump for so long that the introduction of a second charismatic figure they also feel the need to placate provides some balance if nothing else.

If a tweetstorm from Elon Musk or Donald Trump could get any one budget deal killed, perhaps Congress will have to slow down, build consensus, and actually legislate out in the open to get things passed.

Indeed, while Trump has made his peace with deficit-busting spending, Musk does seem to have at least some interest in shrinking the size and scope of government. Is it too optimistic to expect that his growing influence will push the next Republican Congress to rein in spending?

Debt roofs and ceilings: Probably, that is too optimistic, given that Musk has also come out in support of the second Trump-Johnson spending deal that retained all the extra disaster spending from the first bill and needlessly lifted the debt ceiling for two years.

First of all, I'm not the author of this proposal. Credit to @realDonaldTrump, @JDVance & @SpeakerJohnson.

Second, this is a MUCH better bill that is closer to being a real continuing resolution (not an omnibus masquerading as a CR), but with support for hurricane victims &… https://t.co/AJTI6BTFdr

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 19, 2024

National Review's Dominic Pino writes that while the debt ceiling is an arbitrary limit, the fact that it periodically forces Congress to act to prevent default on the debt opens up opportunities for spending cuts and other reforms. The occasional deficit-reducing bills Congress has passed in the past few decades have all generally been the product of negotiations about raising the debt limit.

If Trump, Musk, Johnson, and the bulk of Republican lawmakers are all OK with hiking the debt ceiling without any offsetting spending cuts, that does not bode well for deficit reduction in the incoming Republican Congress.


Scenes from D.C.: The city's restaurants and bars are wasting no time in taking advantage of the looming fiscal chaos. Local food reporter Jessica Sidman reports that businesses are already rolling out their shutdown specials.

Things aren't looking good when DC restaurants are preemptively sending out shutdown specials. pic.twitter.com/pFtFiGJML5

— Jessica Sidman (@jsidman) December 19, 2024


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  1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Congress is scrambling to put together a passable spending deal that will avoid a government shutdown...

    I'm sure it will be in a form that all the voting members will have time to read and understand thoroughly before passing.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Making a list, and checking it twice?

    2. Minadin   5 months ago

      I mean, what they're considering today is noticeably different from what they tried to pass yesterday:

      Yesterday’s bill vs today’s bill (image)

      https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1869865296376303763

      1. MatthewSlyfield   5 months ago

        Note: That smaller bill pictured was plan B, which also went down in flames.

        What they actually passed was plan C. What I've heard so far, Plan C sounds a lot like Plan B without any action on the debt ceiling.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    In a Thursday afternoon tally, representatives voted 174-235 against the Johnson-Trump compromise measure...

    He's negotiating it with Trump? THE MAN ISN'T EVEN PRESIDENT YET.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

      The current president is MIA, in body and mind. Something will fill that vacuum. Where's the VP? Gave up?

      1. CE   5 months ago

        Canceled her second Hawaiian vacation this month to fly back to DC to give briefings to people and look presidential for a week or so.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          I still hope Biden resigns so she can be queen for a day. And pardon the old geezer.

          1. Syd Henderson   5 months ago

            I want it to make all the 47 memorabilia obsolete.

            1. DesigNate   5 months ago

              Like misprints in baseball cards, it will drive the collectibility (and value) up.

    2. One-Punch_Man   5 months ago

      Even democrat now admit that Trump is president.

      I await the Reason article about Biden being senile since day 1 and why they didn't cover it.

      1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated.   5 months ago

        Reason hasn’t even acknowledged their “Russia Russia Russia!” and impeachment coverage was bullshit, so don’t hold your breath.

  3. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

    Looks like her first paycheck is coming in.

    Kamala Harris set to receive a whopping $20M from top book publisher

    Can you imagine what a babbling mess it would be if ghostwriters weren't a thing?

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      That's a lot of money for a coloring book.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Not with all the pre-orders for college safe space rooms.

    2. Ajsloss   5 months ago

      It'll be interesting to see how they handle the cackles. Do they spell it out somehow how or just go with *cackled stupidly*?

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        Kekekekeke. Anime has solved this.

      2. Bertram Guilfoyle   5 months ago

        *cackled stupidly* could certainly replace all of shrike's posts here.

    3. damikesc   5 months ago

      When you run your campaign as a money laundering event, you get benefits from that.

    4. mad.casual   5 months ago

      Can you imagine what a babbling mess it would be if ghostwriters weren't a thing?

      AYFKM?!? Only an insane fascist Nazi idiot would try to read Mein Kampf or Das Kapital in the original German in order to try to gain an understanding about how middling, incoherent kooks could build a cult around controlling prices, seizing the means of production, and driving the undesirables from society by collective force! You would have to be some sort of anti-social reprobate in order to even consider subjecting yourself to such a thing!

      I mean no. I could not imagine what a babbling mess it would be if ghostwriters weren't a thing.

      1. soldiermedic76   5 months ago

        Never read either, in English or German but have read the Communist Manifesto. My father said he tried to read Mein Kampf (in English) and despite being an avid reader, said he gave up due to the incoherence of it (not so much the poor writing, which the translators often cleaned up but said the ideas presented were incoherent and inconsistent).

      2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   5 months ago

        “Only an insane fascist Nazi idiot would try to read Mein Kampf or Das Kapital in the original German“

        So…… Misek?

    5. shadydave   5 months ago

      If ever there was a case of using books as a means to engage in money laundering, this will be the prototypical one. Those one billion in campaign funds need to get laundered somewhere.

    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

      IS the $20 million to cover for the amount of debt accrued by her campaign team?

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

        I’m sure she’ll be relieved to pay that off and start fresh. Haha.

    7. One-Punch_Man   5 months ago

      I tried to look up numbers for Hillary's last book because I thought it was around 25k. Weird, that Google only talks about the 2017 book.

      I can't see Harris book being sold except to level tables or keep doors open.

      1. Marshal   5 months ago

        Political memoirs are overwhelmingly purchased by schools and libraries.

    8. Bubba Jones   5 months ago

      Someone must think her future influence is worth $20M.

      1. soldiermedic76   5 months ago

        Or publishing deals are a great way to launder money.

    9. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   5 months ago

      This is money laundering. No publisher would ever legitimately pay her $20 million for a fucking book.

  4. Super Scary   5 months ago

    "Republicans have been so obsequious to Trump for so long "

    Lol. Lmao, even.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      As if the author never heard of "Never Trump Republicans"?

      1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated.   5 months ago

        Either that or he’s a dishonest hack, and it can’t be that.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

        Odd since Reason has lots of friends over at The Bulwark.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          They were forced to choose.

      3. charliehall   5 months ago

        The number of Never Trump Republicans in the House of Representatives is zero.

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      I kinda wish they had been. Then maybe things wouldn't have gotten quite so fucked up.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

        The only Republicans that get celebrated by the media are the ones who go against the party's leader. Opposite applies to the Democrats.

  5. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Why did ABC settle? George was explicitly told to not use the word tape.

    https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost

    1. Marshal   5 months ago

      I'm disappointed. Outsiders seem to think ABC would have won, which means avoiding discovery is likely why they settled. Whatever they thought was worth 16 million to hide was probably worth it for us to know.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

        I think they settled because discovery would have shown how much the DNC runs the show.

        1. Marshal   5 months ago

          Well, or how clear it is their own political agenda determines the "news". While it's clear the media considers itself and ally to the left the media still make their own decisions on how best to achieve those goals.

        2. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

          Maybe but that assumes two things. 1) Dems directed George in this broadcast specifically or 2) a judge allows for a wide net fishing expedition. Discovery usually is tailored to the case at hand, not a review of anything and everything the plaintiff claims.

      2. Bubba Jones   5 months ago

        Or it's just protection money to Trump.

        1. DesigNate   5 months ago

          lol, right.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    If Congress passes nothing, the federal government will shut down at midnight tonight.

    The Trumpgrich that stole Christmas.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

      Hey what the hell are you doing with my money in your house, Johnson?

    2. CE   5 months ago

      Stole Christmas? Made it more festive you mean.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Unless you believe in (and depend on) a federal Santa Claus.

  7. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Government Healthcare.

    Woman in Canada waits 6 years for knee replacement. Gets it finally. Develops infection. Can't be seen for days. Gets in and they have to amputate.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/woman-right-leg-amputated-post-surgery-infection-1.7411886

    1. Mickey Rat   5 months ago

      But at least she has a "right" to health care, therefore no government bureaucrats are in danger of eating lead.

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      If you're going to get provincial government healthcare in Canada, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario and Quebec only. The other provinces have no money to run them... well, Quebec doesn't either, but the feds steal money from Alberta and Saskatchewan for them.
      Alberta has a shortage of physicians like the rest of the world right now, but nevertheless its healthcare is America tier.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      At least it was "free".

    4. mad.casual   5 months ago

      Who says the only thing government healthcare is good for is breaking your leg, handing you a crutch, and saying "Because of the government, you can walk again!"?

    5. Moonrocks   5 months ago

      Just curious, but what would her wait time have been for assisted suicide?

      1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

        "How does Tuesday work for you?"

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

          "Here's your coffee. Ready to get started?"

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

            "Coffee"

    6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Nobody needs two legs.

    7. charliehall   5 months ago

      In the United States, if you don't have insurance, the wait is forever.

  8. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    RNC Research

    @RNCResearch
    Biden Pentagon spokesman Pat Ryder says he "recently learned" there are actually 2,000+ U.S. troops deployed in Syria — far more than the 900 they had previously announced.

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      Sapristi!
      I'm sure Reason will be all over that.

    2. damikesc   5 months ago

      Seems to be a pattern for the DoD and Syria.

    3. mad.casual   5 months ago

      Does The President know?

      1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

        Scotty doesn't know!

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      What did that cunt Harris tell us?

  9. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    They want House Speaker Elon Musk.

    Oligarchy! We can't have a billionaire in charge of the House. Millionaires only!

    1. Mickey Rat   5 months ago

      The basic problem is the GOP majority in the House is at a bare minimum with some automatic defectors, so they need votes from Democrats to pass anything, which makes any bill unacceptable. Musk (or anyone else) cannot solve that problem. There simply is no working majority that can impose its will, and any compromise is unacceptable. We have a genuine impasse.

      1. Marshal   5 months ago

        If Dems don't want to pass a CR let them deal with the repercussions.

        The correct response to "Give me what I want or I'll kill myself" is "go ahead".

        1. Mickey Rat   5 months ago

          If you think the House Democrats are going to get the blame for not passing a CR, then you have not been paying attention.

          1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

            Trust in media is at an all time low. Their exclusionary blame on the GOP doesn't work anymore.

            1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated.   5 months ago

              X has changed the game. Their dirty tricks won’t work. Their current attempt is calling Trump VP and Elon President because they think it will cause a rift between them.

            2. Zeb   5 months ago

              Yeah, I think now is the time to change that assumption. And I'm sick of the "everyone will blame us, so we can't do anything" shit from Republicans. Grow some fucking balls and do what your supposed principles tell you. Make the other side compromise for once. Don't pass anything until the federal budget is actually made smaller.

              1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

                ^+1

            3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

              Correction: general trust in all media is low. Trust in pet ideological bubble media is at a high. Two-thirds of Americans already know who to blame before anything happens.

              1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

                Well the third who decides GOP primaries and trusts their media won't fall for it. Why Musk warned those who would.

              2. soldiermedic76   5 months ago

                Not so sure. CNN and MSNBC are hemorrhaging viewers, and even the on line left media is performing more poorly since the election. So, I think some leftist have had the scales removed from their eyes.

                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

                  I hope you are right.

          2. Marshal   5 months ago

            If you think the House Democrats are going to get the blame for not passing a CR, then you have not been paying attention.

            That's the old framework. The new framework is the right using their media savvy to pierce the left wing narrative.

            Ultimately this becomes a matter of priorities for government employees: do you want to support Dems or do you want to get paid? While it seems political allegiance is the left's top priority you have to remember they only have that loyalty because Dems buy it. If they don't get paid that loyalty is gone. They're willing to sell out the country for a paycheck, but never themselves.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

              "...That's the old framework. The new framework is the right using their media savvy to pierce the left wing narrative..."

              See Harris vs Trump campaign; he's doing jigs, and 3-hour extemporaneous shows, while she's hemming,
              hawing and cackling in 5-minute scripted pieces.

          3. charliehall   5 months ago

            The CR was all set to pass easily until President Musk and Fake President Trump interfered. The miracle is that most Republicans defied Trump and passed a CR anyway.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

        And California kept counting and counting and counting and counting House 13 and House 45 until they came up D.

        1. Super Scary   5 months ago

          I don't understand how it took three+ weeks to count up all their votes. Does no one actually live in CA? Did it take so long because every "resident" there mailed their vote in from across the world?

          1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

            As I understand it, there were thousands of questionable--probably illegal--ballots that had to be determined individually. We can see how that played out.

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

        Actually there is an obvious solution. The house votes on separate bills, one clean CR, one debt ceiling, one disaster funding, one agricultural welfare. The Speaker has the power to bring those bills to the floor but Johnson has so far refused to do so. Would a Speaker Musk?

    2. damikesc   5 months ago

      Since he was born in S Africa, CAN Musk be Speaker, given it's position in the chain of succession.

      1. mad.casual   5 months ago

        Seems like it would only be an issue in case of succession, not a requirement of the position. Especially if not stipulated and/or that he not even hold public office. *If* we get that deep into the CoC, he just gets skipped.

      2. Syd Henderson   5 months ago

        He can be Speaker, but if the line of succession reaches that point, he gets bypassed and it moves on to the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, then the Cabinet.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

          Anything keeping him from resigning for an hour, voting a new House majority leader and then reinstating him?

          Less of a problem if Rs control the Senate but if the Ds retook; they may challenge that.

  10. Randy Sax   5 months ago

    The San Francisco city government hires a body positivity consultant to purge city programs of needless fat shaming.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6YAkjdX5EM

    1. CE   5 months ago

      Nothing left to cut, no higher priorities for improving life by the Bay.

    2. damikesc   5 months ago

      San Francisco: "DIABETES IS RACIST!!!"

      1. Minadin   5 months ago

        I know you're joking, but I've heard people say that and mean it seriously.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Sen. Mike Lee (R–Utah) suggested that either Musk or Vivek Ramaswamy...

    A person of color? Suggested by a Republican???

    1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

      In fact, that's one person of color and one African-American.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Meh, a Pretendian and an Uncle Tom.

  12. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    ACLU is fighting for a man convicted of murder and rape who was found to be having sex in women's prison the right to remain in a woman's prison.

    https://reduxx.info/exclusive-details-trans-identified-male-killer-removed-from-womens-prison-after-sexual-interactions-with-female-inmate-sues-to-be-moved-back/

    1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      Not the first time...

      NY Post:

      Transgender Rikers inmate sentenced to 7 years for raping female prisoner

      Also

      The Biden administration nominated Judge Sarah Netburn to join the bench on the Southern District of New York. In August 2022, Netburn allowed male sex offender July Justine Shelby to be sent to FMC Carswell, a female federal correctional facility in Fort Worth, Texas. Her order overturned the federal Bureau of Prisons’ rejection of his request for female housing. Born William McClain, Shelby pleaded guilty in 1994 to child molestation of a nine-year-old boy and to rape of a seventeen-year-old girl.

      Also, we seem to have to pay for transitions while rapists are in prison, too...

      Amber McLaughlin (January 13, 1973 – January 3, 2023) was an American transgender woman executed in Missouri for the 2003 rape and murder of her ex-girlfriend, Beverly Guenther. At the time of the crime, McLaughlin was living as male; she transitioned from male to female while incarcerated.[1] McLaughlin became the first openly transgender person to be executed in the United States.[2][3] Her legal name remained her birth name, Scott A. McLaughlin, and she was identified as such in her death warrant and in prison records.[4]

      McLaughlin was a registered sex offender because of a 1992 conviction for sexual assault against a 14-year-old girl.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   5 months ago

      Well lesbians do have the highest rate of relationship abuse

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

        Physical or emotional? Because emotional is a given, but if it's physical too that would be interesting.
        Maybe because violence from a woman isn't as deadly as a punch from a guy can be, so they feel more free to use it?

        1. Zeb   5 months ago

          I'm pretty sure I've seen stats that say it includes actual domestic violence. Possibly because of cultural taboos against men hitting women that don't apply. Also lesbian bed death (a term I learned from a formerly lesbian friend who now has the hots for Ben Shapiro).

          1. A Thinking Mind   5 months ago

            Not sure if that’s a myth or not. But it makes some amount of sense.

          2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

            "formerly lesbian friend who now has the hots for Ben Shapiro"

            Too be fair, I'm not entirely sure that Shapiro isn't the drag king incarnation of Brett Cooper.

            1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

              Thank you. I've been saying something similar since Brett Cooper started on DW. Don't get me wrong, I think Brett Cooper is definitely more attractive for a female than Ben is for a male, but the similarity is striking. I first wondered if she was his little sister or cousin.

              1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

                She even kind of talks like him. I totally thought she was his sister for a bit until I saw Ben's actual sister. Brett is cute, but Ben's real sister is amazing, a total smokeshow.

                1. soldiermedic76   5 months ago

                  What is it about Jewish girls? I mean Gal Gadot, Natalie Portman, Alona Tal (pretty much a tie between her and Natalie as to my favorite).

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

                Ben's ego is so massive that it spilled over and created a female version of him, similar to how Greg Gumbel was formed from Bryant Gumbel.

                1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

                  In biology we call the process 'budding' or 'blastogenesis'. A new organism develops from an outgrowth on the original due to cell division.
                  A fascinating process when observed in media environs.

                2. Zeb   5 months ago

                  I always wondered where Greg Gumble came from.

            2. Zeb   5 months ago

              I had no idea who that was. But now I see what you mean.

        2. Don’t. Get. Eliminated.   5 months ago

          I once worked with a linebacker looking butch lesbian. She actually told me she had a hard time dating because she kept hooking up with femmes that wanted her to rough them up in bed but she wasn’t into that.

          1. Zeb   5 months ago

            That seems to be another problem with a lot of lesbian relationships. Women (as a generalization, I'm sure there is plenty of variation) still want the same stuff in bed, including the weird rape fantasy shit, just not from a man. But most women can't provide that as effectively (and some parts not at all).

          2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

            "Hit me you wimp, and call me a whore! Put some force into it!"
            "B-b-b-but I just wanted to cuddle"

            She might be better off finding some effete guy who'd look good in a skirt. Like when Dave Foley put on drag in Kids in the Hall skits.

    3. Mickey Rat   5 months ago

      ACLU: "Sorry ladies, but you are going to have to take some sexual assault for intersectional social justice and trans rights."

      1. mad.casual   5 months ago

        Neona: You can't scare me with this gestapo crap! I know my rights! My body my choice!
        ACLU Agent Smith: Tell me, Ms. Kvindottir, what good is a body if you are unable to define what a woman is?

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Keep it up, ACLU and other progressives. In fact, please amp it up. If 2024 was the dawning of realization of just how fucking insane your values are, we need to make that crystal clear before the mid-terms.

  13. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

    "Education Secretary Miguel Cardona added: "With the approval of another $4.28 billion in loan forgiveness for nearly 55,000 public servants, the administration has secured nearly $180 billion in life-changing student debt relief for nearly five million borrowers.

    IOW, Biden admin has spent $180B without authorization or CBO accounting. Even after SCOTUS told him to stop.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      But he recognizes the constitution. Ask sarc.

      1. damikesc   5 months ago

        "Yeah, it's the thing I wipe my ass with." - Biden

        1. Vernon Depner   5 months ago

          You mean the thing his nurse wipes his ass with.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      "life-changing student debt relief"

      Wow, does loan forgiveness come with gender reassignment?

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

        Would be interesting to make that a requirement for eligibility.

    3. DesigNate   5 months ago

      What a swell guy, giving our money away to “public servants” who spent thousands of dollars to obviously useless degrees.

  14. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

    "I think it needs to be a doge speaker. Needs to be either Vivek Ramaswamy or Elon Musk."

    Musk is too valuable to waste on politics. The world needs him to stay focused on Mars rockets, brain chip interfaces, electric charging networks and giant tunneling machines.
    America has been saved from the jeffies, Trump's got a lot of good people with him now, time to get back to taking civilization into the next steps.

    1. A Thinking Mind   5 months ago

      For this reason I don’t think Musk would accept. Government can’t afford to pay him what his time is actually worth.

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

        And with DOGE they aren't paying him at all which is ruining Democrat narratives and driving them nuts.

  15. The Angry Hippopotamus   5 months ago

    If Congress passes nothing, the federal government will shut down at midnight tonight.

    and that's a bad thing?

    1. BrianL.   5 months ago

      Yes it is. When the shutdown ends, they end up paying all of the employees who didn't get paid during the shutdown their back pay. It always seems to end up costing more to shutdown than not shutdown. I know that sounds counterintuitive, but that's usually what happens.

      1. CE   5 months ago

        All of the employees identified as "nonessential" should be let go permanently. And no one should be paid for work they didn't do.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          "no one should be paid for work they didn't do"

          What kind of political machine union job do you have?

        2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

          Maybe it’s 4d chess. Let the shutdown happen and see who the various parasite bureaucracies and agencies furlough, and then make it permanent.

          The wailing from the parasitic class would be epic.

          1. markm23   5 months ago

            I'd consider that, but in reverse. In my experience, government shutdowns keep the parts of the agency that are no use to anyone outside of government going and cut the functions that will pain taxpayers the most.

      2. The Angry Hippopotamus   5 months ago

        The solution to that is not to include the back pay in any bill passed to fund/"re-open" the government.

        Yes, I realize that is a huge pipe dream; however, just think of the benefits, even if only for a few days, of not having to deal with the repercussions of the bad policy, bad decisions and otherwise bad things the non-essential workers cannot implement, make, or do, while the government is shutdown.

    2. Michael Ejercito   5 months ago

      We can compare to shutdown of most of the private sector in 2020-2021.

      1. The Angry Hippopotamus   5 months ago

        The shutdown of most of the private sector by the Government Overlords in 2020-2021 prevented productive work from being done.

        The Government of the United States employs just over 3,000,000 people; somehow 85% of them are considered 'essential', so approximately 450,000 get sent home.

        I'm not sure that will have the impact you're expecting when comparing it to private sector corona-flu shutdown imposed on us by the various Government Overlords, especially since government doesn't produce anything.

        1. One-Punch_Man   5 months ago

          You left off that when the shutdown ends, they get back pay/vacation back.

          1. The Angry Hippopotamus   5 months ago

            See my reply to BrianL up above:

            The solution to that is not to include the back pay in any bill passed to fund/"re-open" the government.

            Yes, I realize that is a huge pipe dream; however, just think of the benefits, even if only for a few days, of not having to deal with the repercussions of the bad policy, bad decisions and otherwise bad things the non-essential workers cannot implement, make, or do, while the government is shutdown.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Things aren't looking good when DC restaurants are preemptively sending out shutdown specials.

    I will only take this as a legit bellwether if they start shutting down like Waffle Houses during a hurricane.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    The San Francisco city government hires a body positivity consultant to purge city programs of needless fat shaming.

    They got their chubby thumbs squarely on the most pressing issues in that city.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      If you ever sat next to a fatty on an airplane you would understand "pressing".

  18. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Google's Street View car helps solve a murder.

    Luigi! No!

    1. tracerv   5 months ago

      Q: Too soon?

      A: It's never too soon!

      1. Dillinger   5 months ago

        ^^

  19. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

    I guess selling fraudulent documents *is* a positive economic impact.

    From Daily Caller:

    The Department of Justice (DOJ) announced sweeping charges against several individuals who were allegedly involved in a conspiracy that fraudulently applied for driver’s licenses for more than 1,000 people, most of whom were living in the United States unlawfully. The alleged scheme involved procuring driver’s licenses in Massachusetts and New York, two states that allow illegal migrants to obtain them, and sell them to illegal migrants living elsewhere in the country.

    The sophisticated operation, which charged approximately $1,400 per license, specifically targeted states like Massachusetts and New York where Democrat legislators had deliberately lowered identification standards.

    “The Massachusetts House Republican Caucus warned that the passage of the Work and Family Mobility Act would have consequences,” Jones noted. “This is an easily anticipated byproduct of the law.”

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Is this one of them "private-public partnerships"?

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

      But Real ID!

  20. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    President Joe Biden (remember him?) provides additional student debt relief.

    He's running.

    1. Mickey Rat   5 months ago

      And by "he provides" we mean "he sticks it to federal taxpayers".

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

      He's not even walking.

      1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated.   5 months ago

        He was referring to what’s happening in his diaper.

  21. SIV   5 months ago

    $5 for a slider is a "happy hour special"?

    A far cry from the 10, 25, 50, 75 cent wings of the past

    1. Ajsloss   5 months ago

      Transitory inflation.

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      They are expecting a 40% pay raise demanded by democrats to go through.

    3. Super Scary   5 months ago

      $5 plus tip, so like $7.50. Also the merchant fee, so $8.50. Oh and you can't forget the kitchen fee...look, just give me $20 bucks and you'll get your tiny burger.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Unless you look MAGA, and then a totally spontaneous crowd will shout you down, and out of the restaurant.

  22. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Russia launches a massive missile strike against Kyiv.

    The reds buckled and programmed Kyiv instead of Kiev into their guidance systems? Betacucks.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Meh. Soon to be renamed "Putingrad".

  23. Longtobefree   5 months ago

    It ain't that hard.
    1. Pass a clean CR for the first quarter.
    2. Pass a disaster bill paid for by eliminating every DEI program.
    3. Make the tax cuts permanent in a stand alone bill.
    4. Get on with the normal budget process and pass the bills by the end of the first quarter.

    1. Mickey Rat   5 months ago

      It can be done if the House GOP caucus votes as a bloc. If they do not, they cannot. That means no defections on principles. If any of the bills have something objectionable in them, each GOP member has to eat their protest.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      One of the most annoying things is that they could have started this process the day after they passed the LAST CR.

      Instead, as per usual, they wait until the last minute to try to cram something through--knowing all along that this is, in fact, the plan since it allows jamming as much pork as possible into the biggest "MUST PASS!" bill as it is inhumanly possible to include.

      1. shadydave   5 months ago

        Thomas Massie:

        https://x.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1869378448692523379

        1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

          The Prophet Thomas of Washington.

        2. Old Engineer   5 months ago

          NostraThomas or CassandraMassie?

          He's right every year and is ignored every year.

          He always does what he says he'll do and will always be reviled by "real Republicans" for doing it.

        3. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

          https://checkyourfact.com/2023/12/08/fact-check-congress-four-budgets-40-years/

          FACT CHECK: Has Congress Only Passed Four Budgets On Time In The Past 40 Years?

          While defining what constitutes the congressional budget process is complicated, three experts have labeled Haley’s claim as correct.

      2. damikesc   5 months ago

        I can empathize with Trump's call to do away with the debt limit. It has not slowed borrowing in the slightest. I'd argue it has made it worse since you have to slap on the pork to get it voted for in the first place.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

          Just a note: Biden has spent the last two years of his administration with no debt ceiling.

          Wikipedia:

          Currently, the debt ceiling has been suspended altogether as of June 3, 2023, when U.S. president Joe Biden signed the Fiscal Responsibility Act of 2023 into law.[9] This ended the debt-ceiling crisis that began on January 19, 2023, and the suspension will remain in effect until January 2, 2025. Previously, in December 2021, the debt ceiling was raised when it was increased by $2.5 trillion,[10] to $31.381463 trillion, which lasted until January 2023.

          1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

            Brandons legacy: The inflation reduction act and the fiscal responsibility act.

            How do dem voters not feel insulted by this shit?

            1. Marshal   5 months ago

              They're convinced they're part of the scam.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Uh, sure. And overturn centuries of running the US Congress as a pork processing facility?

      1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

        With the amount of pork coming out of Congress, I'm surprised there still are any Jewish or Muslim members of Congress.

  24. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

    "Biden Pledges Huge Climate Emissions Cuts He Can’t Enforce. Here’s Why It Still Matters"
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/biden-pledges-huge-climate-emissions-cuts-he-cant-enforce-heres-why-it-still-matters/

    It doesn't matter; it's totally meaningless, but then Scientific Americal long ago stopped being about science.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Do you want science or The Science?

    2. Old Engineer   5 months ago

      Never follow the Science, always follow the data.

      1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

        But The Science always follows The Data!

  25. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

    "How the White House Functioned With a Diminished Biden in Charge"
    [...]
    "During the 2020 presidential primary, Jill Biden campaigned so extensively across Iowa that she held events in more counties than her husband—a fact her press secretary at the time, Michael LaRosa, touted to a local reporter.
    His superior in the Biden campaign quickly chided him. As the three rode in a minivan through the state’s cornfields, Anthony Bernal, then a deputy campaign manager and chief of staff to Jill Biden, pressed LaRosa to contact the reporter again and play down any comparison in campaign appearances between Joe Biden, then 77, and his wife, who is eight years his junior. Her energetic schedule only highlighted her husband’s more plodding pace, LaRosa recalls being told.
    The message from Biden’s team was clear. “The more you talk her up, the more you make him look bad,” LaRosa said.
    The small correction foreshadowed how Biden’s closest aides and advisers would manage the limitations of the oldest president in U.S. history during his four years in office...."
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-the-white-house-functioned-with-a-diminished-biden-in-charge/ar-AA1w9cBy?ocid=BingNewsSerp, originally from the WSJ.

    The man was already not competent to act as POTUS during the 2020 campaign.

    1. mad.casual   5 months ago

      The man was already not competent to act as POTUS during the 2020 campaign.

      AFAICT, from 'my mask protects you, your mask protects me' and '100% safe and effective' to 'mostly peaceful' and 'beaten to death with a fire extinguisher', in one way or another, 80-some million people weren't competent to act as voters in 2020. Though my numbers may be off by a bit.

  26. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

    Is Biden in charge? This is Biden's budget problem to help solve. Where is he?

    Watch Biden pass away early January, Harris get's sworn in just in time to hand the government over to Trump.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Or Joe can resign on Jan 2. That lets Harris be The First Woman President. And declare a national day of mourning on Jan 6. Oh, and pardon Biden.

      1. markm23   5 months ago

        That poses a challenge for Harris: How can she become the worst US President in history in only 18 days? I'm sure she _could_ top Buchanon, Wilson, Harding, Nixon, Carter, and even Biden('s puppeteers), but it might take time.

  27. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   5 months ago

    Chip Roy (R) must be a globalist baby-eating pedophile:

    President-elect Donald Trump is calling on eager Texans to consider a primary challenge to conservative Rep. Chip Roy.
    ...
    “Chip Roy is just another ambitious guy, with no talent,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social on Thursday. “I hope some talented challengers are getting ready in the Great State of Texas to go after Chip in the Primary. He won’t have a chance!"

    Fatass Donnie wants MAGA to boot his ass.

    https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/12/19/congress/trump-primary-chip-roy-00195404

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      Fun how Pluggo thinks he can call others "pedophiles" here without any pushback. He didn't get canned by Open Society because he was too smart for them.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Just another example of leftist rhetorical rule #1: Always accuse your opponent of what you are already doing.

    3. Dillinger   5 months ago

      >>Fatass Donnie wants MAGA to boot his ass.

      T and Chip both know T can beat on Chip and Chip will still win 75/25.

  28. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

    Importing all those illegal aliens has got to pump up the population numbers.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-sees-large-population-increase-in-2024-nearly-returning-to-pre-pandemic-level/ar-AA1wbxQB

    California’s population grew this year by nearly a quarter of a million residents, bouncing back close to the record-high population levels the Golden State had reached before the pandemic, but growing more slowly than the country as a whole and other large states in the South, the U.S. Census Bureau reported Thursday.

    “As the nation’s population surpasses 340 million, this is the fastest annual population growth the nation has seen since 2001,” the U.S. Census Bureau wrote in a statement Thursday. “The growth was primarily driven by rising net international migration.”

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Gotta keep those House seats and EC votes somehow.

  29. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

    "The San Francisco city government hires a body positivity consultant to purge city programs of needless fat shaming."

    And boy, howdy, is she ever a pig! 'Who ordered the pre-diabetes platter?'

  30. Don’t. Get. Eliminated.   5 months ago

    A Ukrainian man in the Kiev region locked himself inside the car to avoid being conscripted for war, and the police emptied a gas can inside his car and set it ablaze while laughing hysterically.

    Ukraine is a madhouse run by criminals.

    https://x.com/GabeZZOZZ/status/1869827106479522201

  31. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    'A few fiscal hawks in Congress are so frustrated with how this process has played out that they're now suggesting a radical change in management. They want House Speaker Elon Musk.'

    They must have seen my comment from yesterday.

  32. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    'If Congress passes nothing, the federal government will shut down at midnight tonight.'

    If only.

  33. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    'Scenes from D.C.'

    Which we care less about than New York.

    1. Dillinger   5 months ago

      the cherry blossoms are pretty.

  34. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    'President Joe Biden (remember him?) provides additional student debt relief.'

    And another "Fuck You!" to the American people.

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      Nothing more woke than paying doctors and lawyers debts for them from the wages of plumbers and mechanics.

  35. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    'The San Francisco city government hires a body positivity consultant to purge city programs of needless fat shaming.'

    When do the mandatory body equity laws, a la Harrison Bergeron, kick in?

    1. mad.casual   5 months ago

      Just as soon as the body positivity consultant... gets up and... ... ...later. The body equity laws kick in later.

  36. Dillinger   5 months ago

    there's a universe where Mike Johnson is playing them all and the plan is the shutdown I'm hopeful this is the universe.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

      Unfortunately Mike's trapped in time and doesn't know what to do.

      1. Dillinger   5 months ago

        idk how many friends he has today to see right through

  37. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>"... this is the first time since Trump took over the [Republican] party that some other populist has managed to impose his will on it,"

    this guy doesn't know how twitter works?

  38. Dillinger   5 months ago

    uber-proud of my new Congresslady Beth Van Duyne for her thumbs-down.

  39. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>The San Francisco city government hires a body positivity consultant to purge city programs of needless fat shaming.

    fat people are the last to look to for purging.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

      What exactly are the enforcement powers here. What if some guy drove into SF with a "No Fat Chicks" bumper sticker? Asking for a friend.

      1. Zeb   5 months ago

        It does say "city programs", which I assume doesn't include bumper stickers on private cars. That would be a separate hate crime.

        1. Dillinger   5 months ago

          my alternative comment was directed towards which city programs included necessary fat shaming.

          1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

            “…..alternative comment….”

            Damn. This dude comes to play….

    2. Old Engineer   5 months ago

      "The San Francisco city government hires a budget positivity consultant to protect city programs from fat shaming."

      I think that fixed it.

      1. Dillinger   5 months ago

        thank you I complain about having to edit these guys @reason

  40. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>Russia launches a massive missile strike against Kyiv.

    word is they won't stop until everyone calls it Kiev again.

    1. mad.casual   5 months ago

      Wow. Who could've possibly foreseen that using a scooter bomb to assassinate a Russian Religious Scholar *in Moscow* would've escalated things? If only there were some way to make money or get paid to escalate things, that industry and those jobs would be booming!

      1. Dillinger   5 months ago

        figured we would be immediately blamed.

        1. Zeb   5 months ago

          It was that same guy who did Nordstream.

          1. Dillinger   5 months ago

            crafty.

  41. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>National Review's Dominic Pino writes

    lost me at National Review.

  42. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>U.S. diplomats meet with Syria's new governing militias.

    totes rude for Blinken to show up to the housewarming without at least $1.2billion

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Any pallets of cash still in the warehouse?

      1. Dillinger   5 months ago

        if so they should be those legal tender Trump dollars I see on TV.

  43. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>Google's Street View car helps solve a murder.

    I'm glad Speed Buggy could help because the police seem really bad at solving murders.

  44. RC   5 months ago

    Dave Smith for Speaker.

    1. Dillinger   5 months ago

      the Oklahoman or the comedian?

      1. RC   5 months ago

        The comedian. I'm not familiar with the Oklahoman, but would assume he would be much less entertaining.

        1. Dillinger   5 months ago

          I'm out on his Israelis shoot babies in the head stance.

    2. Old Engineer   5 months ago

      Dave Smith, the world's worst comedian? Why would anyone want the libertarian equivalent to Colbert?

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

        For Big J?

      2. mad.casual   5 months ago

        It is pretty hard to go on after "What is A Lleppo?"

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

      3 for 1. Nominate the Legion of Skanks!

      1. RC   5 months ago

        That would be a definite improvement.

    4. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

      "We need to roll back the state."

  45. One-Punch_Man   5 months ago

    This got me

    "It lost the support of all Democrats"

    *checks notes* Yes, all 2 of them. Dems only care about what kick backs they can get for their cronies.

    1500 pages that most didn't read. Probably 95% didn't read.

    1. Old Engineer   5 months ago

      Thanks to DEI 95% can't read.

  46. I, Woodchipper   5 months ago

    Shut it down. Shut it all down.

  47. One-Punch_Man   5 months ago

    I like how it is all Musk. Vivak read it and posted on Twitter too.

    You would think Reason would be all for crushing a 1500 page bill of pork. Doesn't sound like it.

    1. Dillinger   5 months ago

      media trying to make T jealous by praising E.

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

      Because Ramaswamy is a bitch to remember how to spell?

      1. Dillinger   5 months ago

        is spelling still racist if it's because Indian surnames?

  48. lwt1960   5 months ago

    Trump must have known what he was getting when he invited Elon under the tent. Elon clearly won't accept "that was only a campaign slogan". He's on a mission to save humanity for God's sake and surely wouldn't engage in something he believes to be political theater and a waste of time. He believes if the US doesn't solve its debt problem now, it will fail. If the US fails, interplanetary colonization will fail. If that fails, humanity is doomed. Pretty simple logic.

    That said, can someone explain why "shutting down the government" is bad, i.e., in the same way why are tariffs bad when used as a political negotiating tactic?

    If the republicans cave every time a shutdown looms, we've got groundhog day. Same in Ukraine- Putin threatens to go nuclear, Biden, et al cave, wash, rinse, repeat.

    I applaud Elon giving the republicans the spine to make the reality approach their rhetoric. It will sure make DOGE's job easier if people experience a few months without the federal government and ask "what were we worried about?". All those agencies can just fade into oblivion, as life and economic prospects improve immeasurably. Then DOGE executes the plan to send the severance checks and make meaningful progress shrinking the federal government.

  49. SRG2   5 months ago

    Basically, majority party can't pass legislation, supporters blame minority party.

    1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated.   5 months ago

      If by “basically” you mean “by my sophomoric understanding” then sure, shrike.

      1. SRG2   5 months ago

        Not shrike, you lying cunt.

        GOP has the majority, speaker controls the legislative process. If they can't pass a bill, it's on them.

        1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated.   5 months ago

          Sure thing shrike.

  50. Moderation4ever   5 months ago

    While the debt ceiling has no real significance, it does give the minority party an opportunity to sling mud at the majority party. So in suspending the debt ceiling Trump was trying to spare his party the responsibility to raise the ceiling. I also worry that his would have free Trump from any fiscal restraint.

  51. Moderation4ever   5 months ago

    Why exactly would Elon Musk every want a job like the Speaker? He gets to pull strings and has no responsibility for anything.

  52. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

    Although it would clearly be better if Congress did its actual job and routinely passed a budget that didn't spend more than the government takes in from revenues; and although government by billionaire social media posting isn't ideal; nevertheless, any way the government gets shut down is a GOOD way! If the only way to get them to stop spending America into bankruptcy is to shut government down, I'm in favor. There is nothing so bad that can happen as a result of laying off 90 percent of Federal employees, putting the brakes on 90 percent of government activities and spending 50 less money that could cause me to change my mind.

    1. Minadin   5 months ago

      They haven't passed a single budget for the better part of 3 decades. Clinton was in office the last time they succeeded.

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      Does your desire to stop spending include spending on illegal immigrants? Because you call anyone who brings that up a racist xenophobe.

  53. Minadin   5 months ago

    "Government by billionaire social media posting isn't ideal."

    If it stopped the passage of that terrible CR spending bill, it's better than what we had.

    1. Moderation4ever   5 months ago

      The problem is that while it can stop a bad CR it is unclear it can get an alternative passed.

      1. Old Engineer   5 months ago

        The best alternative is a shutdown. The media self-immolated last November and no one will believe "it's all Trump's fault" anymore.

        The Democrats were willing to make Americans suffer in order to get their pork packages. If Trump, Musk & company can't sell that, they deserve to become vassals of the swamp.

        1. Moderation4ever   5 months ago

          Democratic pork? You claim to be an old engineer but you're not looking under the hood. The bill has $100 billion for disaster relief that will be going to those red state hit by the hurricanes. There is another $10 billion in farm aid that going out to red areas. Finally, Trump want the debt ceiling raised so he can spend like a fool when he takes office.

          1. Minadin   5 months ago

            Parody is so extremely difficult these days.

            1. Moderation4ever   5 months ago

              I don't know didn't we just elect a President on parody?

  54. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

    I love how there's all this whinging over Trump wanting to suspend the debt ceiling, despite the fact that it's been raised every time it needed to be, anyway, and Congress is incapable of passing an actual budget, which leads to all these CR fights.

    Whatever the problems might be, this isn't actually Trump's fault because it's been going on for years now, and he's ultimately acknowledging the reality of the situation as it is.

  55. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

    https://x.com/EdMorrissey/status/1870138428517421103

    This is progressive Mad Libs. "The [villainous noun] is marching [beloved noun] to a [catastrophic noun] that will [scary verb] to [demo du jour] because they would rather [villainous verb predicate] for [villain du jour] than [virtuous agenda item we ignored until now]"

    Hakeem Jeffries: Extreme Maga Republicans are marching America to a painful government shutdown that will crash the economy and hurt working class Americans because they would rather enact massive tax cuts for their billionaire donors than fund cancer research for children.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      Greg Price
      @greg_price11

      You know that $190M of funding for pediatric cancer research that Democrats have spent the last day on their high horse about with the CR?

      Turns out it passed the Republican led House as a stand-alone bill last March but went nowhere in Chuck Schumer's Senate.

      https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1870138912754053447/photo/1

      As it turns out, the House on March 5 overwhelmingly passed, by a vote of 384-4, the Gabriella Miller Kids First Research Act 2.0, introduced by Rep. Jennifer Wexton (D-VA). It's been held up in the Senate, still currently controlled by the Democrats under Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) for another few weeks.

      https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1870146129720971582

      You literally can’t make this up. Democrats are blaming
      @elonmusk
      , Trump, & Republicans for k*lling the funding for kids cancer research.

      It was introduced as a stand alone bill and passed the Republican controlled House.

      It’s been held up since March in the Democrat controlled Senate led by Chuck Schumer.

      Why are Democrats blocking funding for kids cancer research??

      1. mad.casual   5 months ago

        Why are Democrats blocking funding for kids cancer research??

        This is answered in the larger context of your two posts. They're holding up funding for kids' cancer research so that when Republicans vote against spending elsewhere they can blame them for the childhood cancer victims they, themselves killed.

        Whether that's what they intended to do or not can be debated but, regardless of intent...

        1. Marshal   5 months ago

          Of course that was intended.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

      They're basically repeating the bot script operation that David Samuels outlined in Tablet a couple days ago, the "rapid onset political enlightenment" program initially set up by David Axelrod and exploited by the Dems pretty much up through Elon buying Twitter. That's why it looks like a fill-in-the-blank talking point generator made by an AI filter.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

        Also, this is similar to what happened with the immigration bills--Schumer stopped HR2, which required actual border enforcement, then used his Uniparty allies in the Senate to get that abortion of an bill presented later on as the supposed "best reform bill in decades," as that moron cuckservative Patrick Frey claimed.

  56. JohnZ   5 months ago

    Government shut down? promises, promises.

  57. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

    What's remarkable about that, notes Catoggio, is that Musk moved not just Congress but Trump himself. The president-elect was reportedly fine with Johnson's initial spending plan until the world's richest man started posting incessantly about how much it sucked.

    Anything that dumbass dago Allahpussy asserts needs to be taken with a massive grain of salt. Like a lot of the "center-right" bottom bitches, he's nothing if not faithful to taking whatever social media-driven Dem narrative is being put out at face value.

  58. Moderation4ever   5 months ago

    All done, bill passed and willing likely pass the Senate. Bill looks a lot like the original bill and Trump got stiffed on the debt ceiling raise.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      The first bill..."That bill, 1,547 pages, would have extended current government funding levels until March 14. However, GOP hardliners were angered by what they saw as unrelated measures attached to the bill, like a pay raise for congressional lawmakers, health care policy provisions and legislation aimed at revitalizing RFK Stadium in Washington, D.C."

      What passed was a 118 page bill as basically a "clean CR" plus two tidbits. It will "fund the government at current levels through March 14, extend the farm bill for one year and appropriate billions of dollars in disaster relief and assistance for farmers."

      https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20241216/ARA%2012.20.pdf

  59. jagjr   5 months ago

    "If Trump, Musk, Johnson, and the bulk of Republican lawmakers are all OK with hiking the debt ceiling without any offsetting spending cuts, that does not bode well for deficit reduction in the incoming Republican Congress."

    you're new here, right?? you sweet summer child.

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