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Hit on a CEO

Plus: GTFO Gensler, Elon Musk's trip to Washington, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 12.5.2024 9:30 AM

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Is this a "John Wick-meets-Erin Brockovich" murder, or something else altogether? Yesterday morning, United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was fatally shot in Midtown Manhattan in what authorities say looks like a targeted attack.

The killer was masked, and his gun was outfitted with a silencer. He "apparently knew which door Mr. Thompson was going to enter and arrived outside the hotel about five minutes earlier," per a New York Times report. After he killed Thompson, the shooter fled via e-bike. He has yet to be apprehended.

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United provides health care coverage to almost 50 million people, bringing in $281 billion in revenue and paying Thompson $10.2 million in total compensation annually. 

Normally, when someone is tragically murdered (God rest his soul), it would not be customary to mention their comp package. But it's unfortunately relevant to this story because hordes of people have seized on this murder, acting like it was warranted because a health care company CEO must be, in their telling, quite evil. Some have theorized that it's a spurned patient, someone who was deeply wronged, who may have a vendetta against Thompson. That is possible, but we don't know enough yet.

Some people have taken to celebrating this theoretical vigilantism, like prominent journalist Taylor Lorenz, who in few words has suggested that more CEOs be gone after due to their perceived misdeeds.

— Taylor Lorenz (@taylorlorenz.bsky.social) 2024-12-04T21:31:56.268Z

"And people wonder why we want these executives dead" she wrote yesterday on the same site.

"No shit murder is bad," wrote journalist Ken Klippenstein on the platform Bluesky, which appears to mostly be for people who've exited X in a huff. "The jokes about the United CEO aren't really about him; they're about the rapacious health care system he personified and which Americans feel deep pain and humiliation about."

Today we remember the legacy of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson

— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein.bsky.social) 2024-12-04T16:30:54.583Z

In 2021, the company came under fire because it announced a plan to start denying payment for emergency room visits deemed unnecessary (something competitors also intended to do). "Threatening patients with a financial penalty for making the wrong decision could have a chilling effect on seeking emergency care," wrote the chief executive of the trade group American Hospital Association at the time.

But consider the incentives here: Of course an industry trade group representing hospitals wants more use of services, and thus more payout. And of course the entity doing the paying out wants to ensure patients are judicious and there's less overuse of expensive services. Everyone is playing their part perfectly here; there's not really a bad actor, per se—just two oppositional parties responding to incentives.

But it's that type of nuance that the pro–socialized-health care murder cheerleaders keep missing: This system sure is broken. There's no price transparency, and thus it's very hard to exercise real choice before you receive a service. Upcoding—when health care providers play fast and loose with the billing codes to get more reimbursement from either insurance companies or the government—happens all the time. Regulatory requirements constantly drive up costs. Customers are not well served by this, but it's not really the individual companies that are to blame, let alone the people who run them. 

This isn't to say United never does anything wrong. One ProPublica investigation covered how the company attempted to deny coverage to a chronically ill college student, and how his family sued. This type of denial of coverage happens to a not-insignificant number of claims, and there are plenty of tragic stories of patients who were wronged. Alternatives like socialized medicine, administered by the government, don't create much better outcomes. (Government actors also respond to incentives, don't you know.)

as a thriller writer I regret to inform everyone that the John Wick-meets-Erin Brockovich theory of the insurance CEO murder (i.e. an act of revenge for corporate greed) is by far the least likely to prove out, its immense popularity nonwithstanding

— Kat Rosenfield (@katrosenfield) December 5, 2024

CEOs like Thompson aren't cartoon villains twisting their mustaches, and Bluesky venting about how much you want the guillotine to come for them doesn't fix a broken system or make you morally decent. Though the popular theory is that a hit man must have been hired by a patient who has egregiously wronged by the company, this ignores that people who have a hard time paying their medical bills infrequently have wads of cash laying around to infuse into an assassin's pockets. More information will come out over the coming weeks, and in the meantime, let's just all agree to ignore journalists on Bluesky. 

Don't let the door hit you on the way out: Gary Gensler, current chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, will soon be out, replaced by Donald Trump's pick, Paul Atkins. Atkins "served as a Republican Commissioner from 2002 to 2008 during the post-Enron climate when the SEC sought to expand its reach in the name of preventing fraud," reports The Wall Street Journal. "He frequently criticized the agency for needlessly meddling in markets by issuing rules that raised costs for public companies and investors."

Atkins is no opponent of crypto; the price of bitcoin shot up after the pick was announced, rising 6.1 percent to $103,801 this morning. Atkins has been critical of ESG standards (which the Journal rightly adds "bully public companies into advancing the left's climate and cultural agenda") and the SEC mandating greenhouse-gas emission disclosures. He's an all-around great pick, and a welcome corrective given the years of SEC harassment the crypto industry has endured.


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  1. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    Yesterday morning, United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was fatally shot in Midtown Manhattan in what authorities say looks like a targeted attack.

    Well it wasn't a suicide so that rules out Hillary.

    1. Idaho-Bob   7 months ago

      Fauci or someone from the Covid tyranny era. Kill him before the Trump admin is able to subpoena him.

      1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

        Sounds like this might not be far off.

    2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Did he die from a targeted attack or with a targeted attack?

      1. mad.casual   7 months ago

        Unclear. But we do know the shooter wore a hoodie and a mask so it was a mostly peaceful assassination and nobody's grandma was the target.

        1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          The bigger question is, will his insurance cover it?

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

            Was the shooter in-network?

          2. Anomalous   7 months ago

            It should be covered. It wasn't a pre-existing condition.

            1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

              He was under an HMO, needed pre-approval.

        2. Ajsloss   7 months ago

          His mask protects you, but his gun protects him!

          1. Dillinger   7 months ago

            in Texas that third guy would have shot Mr. Hoodie before he got his shots off at Mr. CEO.

          2. Jefferson Paul   7 months ago

            The shooter's mask protected the victim from catching Covid before being shot, so it wasn't counted as a Covid death.

            1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

              Is there some irony that a health care guy got killed by someone in a mask?

              1. Dillinger   7 months ago

                if you haven't seen it try to catch the Futurama episode The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings

                1. Jefferson Paul   7 months ago

                  That's one of my favorite episodes.

                  1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

                    Same.

                    “What did you do to my fingernails?”

                    “I cleaned them….”

        3. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

          Not enough stuff on fire to be mostly peaceful.

    3. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   7 months ago

      Did he die of being CEO Brian Thompson, or of being in NYC?

      1. Zeb   7 months ago

        Seems like it was pretty definitely planned and targeted at him specifically.

      2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

        Some of both. Given the location, odds are the killer was some kook democrat.

    4. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

      Well it wasn't a suicide so that rules out Hillary.

      Shot three times in the back, has all the hallmarks of arkancide.

      1. DeAnnP   7 months ago

        See, now this is the definition of Derangement Syndrome. Not TDS, because he is actually sticking his con man nose in my business. 2016 is over bro, get over it already. Sorry Hillary emasculated you so much that 8 year later she still lives in your head rent free

        1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          You do realize that arkancide in this case is meant as a joke, right?

          1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

            No, no they don't. They have a pack of a sense of humor along with everything else they lack.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   7 months ago

              Great typo. Pack humor. Like hyenas laughing at their prey.

              1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

                Sometimes it works.

        2. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

          Wtf are you jabbering about?

          1. DesigNate   7 months ago

            Deann is still ass blasted that Hillary lost to Trump and so has decided to project that on to everyone else.

        3. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

          Not TDS, because he is actually sticking his con man nose in my business.

          Hardly, you dumb cunt. But your kind are a great example of why the 19th Amendment was a mistake.

    5. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   7 months ago

      I also find the Erin brocovich thing interesting, because the cunt lied, was 100% wrong, and never had to pay the money back

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Hey, are you going to believe facts and laws, or Hollywood?

      2. DesigNate   7 months ago

        But Julia Roberts boobs in a push up bra….

    6. Super Scary   7 months ago

      If there wasn't video, this could have easily been a "mugging gone wrong!" case where the victim is dead and he still has his wallet.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   7 months ago

        Like Seth Rich?

    7. Minadin   7 months ago

      https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1864381892264440258

      1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        Yeah, very distinctly a hit after watching that. Dude knew exactly what he was doing, where the cameras were, and how to finish the job quickly. The question is, who hired this guy?

      2. Marshal   7 months ago

        Either deleted tweet or bad link.

        1. Idaho-Bob   7 months ago

          Working for me

        2. Jefferson Paul   7 months ago

          I believe you need to have an X account and be logged in, so you can click that you are over 18 and want to watch a graphic video.

          1. Marshal   7 months ago

            Most tweet links work for me, that's why I mentioned this one. Can some require me to be logged in but others not? That seems unlikely.

            I get to twitter but it says "this page doesn't exist".

            1. Minadin   7 months ago

              This one was flagged as 'potentially disturbing content' (it's surveillance footage of the murder).

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   7 months ago

        Bullets used to kill UnitedHealthcare CEO reportedly had 'deny,' defend' and 'depose' written on them
        https://www.yahoo.com/news/live/brian-thompson-shooting-bullets-used-to-kill-unitedhealthcare-ceo-reportedly-had-deny-defend-and-depose-written-on-them-131404298.html
        This is apparently a reference to a book about denial of coverage. Could narrow down the motive or could be a ruse. The wife has also reportedly stated that he had received threats related to denial of benefits.

        1. Minadin   7 months ago

          The casings, but I quibble.

          1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

            A pro wouldn’t leave the brass on the ground.

            1. Its_Not_Inevitable   7 months ago

              Or do it on candid camera. Though those things are everywhere these days.

            2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   7 months ago

              Doesn't really matter if the magazines were loaded while wearing gloves.

              1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   7 months ago

                Though the bit that really says "not a pro" to me is that given how many times he had to clear jams, it seems likely he was not using a pistol that had been properly configured for use with a suppressor.

      4. mad.casual   7 months ago

        Anybody else (*Spoiler Alerts*) only like 95-99% sure this isn't some sort of promo for the new season of Yellowstone?

    8. Marshal   7 months ago

      Start by checking the alibis for every antifa member.

      1. Ron   7 months ago

        Never rule out the wife or mistress in these cases.

        1. Minadin   7 months ago

          That dude doesn't look like a wife or mistress.

          1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

            Maybe Thompson was gay? We should ask sarc.

      2. SIV   7 months ago

        Better than throwing a brick through a window at Starbucks.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    Some people have taken to celebrating this theoretical vigilantism, like prominent journalist Taylor Lorenz...

    Will she become a masked avenger herself? She's already halfway there.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

      *prominent journalist*

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Which part of Taylor sticks out the most?

        1. Minadin   7 months ago

          The part where her wiki page says that Reason gave her credit for inventing the term 'OK, Boomer'.

        2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          Her bitchiness?

        3. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

          That chicks left wing.

        4. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

          The point on her head?

      2. SIV   7 months ago

        Reason's guest at the 50th anniversary of Cato bash. IIRC, Robby and Liz took Taylor.

    2. Quo Usque Tandem   7 months ago

      Second mention in two days of this "supposed journalist." From what I know of her she should be starved of attention, and fed with it.

    3. Jefferson Paul   7 months ago

      So these leftist cheering on the assassination because the super wealthy are always evil makes no sense with regards to Taylor Lorenz. Doesn't she come from money? I read that her family is worth billions.

  3. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

    "A large number of Americans' metadata has been stolen in the sweeping cyberespionage campaign carried out by a Chinese hacking group dubbed 'Salt Typhoon,'"

    Wait till Americans find out about all the metadata of theirs that has been stolen in a sweeping cyberespionage campaign carried out by a hacking group dubbed 'CIA'.

    1. Idaho-Bob   7 months ago

      carried out by a hacking group dubbed 'CIA'.

      Those are the good guys!!!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Cuz they protect democracy?

        1. Chupacabra   7 months ago

          Ahem. "Our" democracy.

          1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

            Ahem, our “bureaucracy”.

    2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Or the one called “Facebook “.

      1. SQRLSY   7 months ago

        Hey, brilliant idea here!!! Do NOT get on FacePoooo!!!!

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   7 months ago

          SPerMY DaNIEls!! Eat sOme POOps!!
          FearMOre LeaDER!! GraB EMbYDa' THbBfT ACK!!!

          1. SQRLSY   7 months ago

            Do NOT get on FacePoooo, or Spermy Daniels will GET you!!!

            (That is how She got to Dear Leader, ya know!!! She uses Mind Cuntrol, and FacePoooo AND the Amphibian People help Her to do Her Witchy-Bitchy shit!!!)

    3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

      I just hope everyone realizes that China should never be punished for their acts. In fact maybe pass some more new green energy deals to help fund them.

      1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

        TTTAAAARRRIIIIIFFFFSSSS!

        1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          Sarc will be along soon to have something stupid and ignorant to say regarding tariffs.

          1. SQRLSY   7 months ago

            All of the GOOD idiots (primarily of "Team Retarded" these days) KNOW that tariffs will make us all RICH!!!!

            1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

              Sarc, you can stop with the Sqrlsy act.

              1. SQRLSY   7 months ago

                Go tariff Your PervFected Self and leave the sane and smart people alone!!!

                1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                  Whatever, Sarc.

                  1. SQRLSY   7 months ago

                    OK, then, don't LIE to me... I expect Your PervFected Self to tariff the dead snot out of Your PervFected Self, and that You will henceforth leave the sane and smart people alone, and STOP with Your PervFectly empty-headed grade-school insults!!!

                    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

                      Unread

                    2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                      Isn’t it remarkable that when I mentioned tariffs and Sarc, that the shit-eating squirrel would show up to defend Sarc with a heckler’s veto. Prove you aren’t Sarc’s sock.

                    3. SQRLSY   7 months ago

                      Prove you have even ONE neuron in Your PervFected so-called "brain", empty-headed Wonder Child! If-when you gather some of these "neurons", maybe Your PervFected Self will ponder that there is such a thing as "truth", and that people SMARTER than Your PervFected Self stick up for this "truth" thing! Which actually TRANSCENDS empty-headed tribalism!

                    4. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                      Yawn. How much terrible copypasta can one dipshit have?

                    5. SQRLSY   7 months ago

                      Yawn. How much terrible empty-headedness can one dipshit have? Defend ANY real thoughts lately? Do You have ONE clue ass to how to do that?

                    6. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                      We know you’re Sarc, so you can give up the act.

              2. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

                I can testify that I am getting grey boxes...I've had SQRLSY muted for a long time. I've not muted sarc.

                I can't say whether SQRLSY has ALWAYS been a sarc sock or not, but in this case it seems to be the actual SQRLSY account. Or, possibly, one of the other accounts I had previously muted being repurposed, but that list seems intact.

                Somewhere I've got a list of the numberid userids of my muted user list...

                1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                  A sock is usually a different account. Shrike, for example, uses several of them.

                  1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

                    Shrike has at least two dozen from before the paywall to choose from.

                  2. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

                    Yeah, I know what a sock is.

                    The Muted User is for a specific account (number; even if the name changes, the account number doesn't), and I've had SQRLSY muted for a long time so all SQRLSY comments show up as grey boxes. These showed up as grey boxes, so they MUST be coming from an existing muted account--the SQRLSY account I blocked so long ago, i.e., data-user="27160".

                    If you want to believe these are from sarc, then you have to think that the SQRLSY account has ALWAYS been a sarc sock or that sarc has the password to SQRLSY account.

                    For the record...

                    userid username
                    198951 (fake mother's lament...probably KAR, my notes didn't capture the original username)
                    153413 Rev Art
                    41974 LibTranslator
                    1164756 Honest Econ
                    1162436 kartika
                    1167044 lynn
                    1161722 pok
                    21987 mtruman
                    22854 Misek
                    27160 SQRLSY

                    (that block of 116xxxx seems suspiciously like a set of socks).

                    1. SQRLSY   7 months ago

                      Get your tinfoil hate-hat recalibrated, and shake those Amphibian People OFF of your back, Jack!

                2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

                  Sarc once posted sqrsly copy pasta then claimed he was hacked. Leading many to believe sqrsly is a sock he owns.

                  1. SQRLSY   7 months ago

                    Sarc once posted sqrsly copy pasta then claimed he was hacked. Leading many to believe sqrsly is a sock he owns.

                    Look, morons!!! SQRLSY is JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer's copypasta-posting SOCK!!!!

                    1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                      Give it a rest, Sarc.

                  2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                    Of course, as usual, Sarc blamed Tulpa.

                  3. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

                    It very well could be. I can't argue against that.

                    All I can say is that these are NOT the sort of "Hey let me change my username for a few minutes to post as someone else" kind of posts. Nor are they a throwaway sock. They are coming from the longtime, mainline SQRLSY account. That's all I'm saying.

                    1. SQRLSY   7 months ago

                      ALL of the "Team R" Loyal Tribalists, in their MILLIONS, are Real and True Good Folks, and NONE are trolls and-or socks!!! Shit is known!!!

                      ALL of the NON-loyal deviants are butt ONE centralized troll-sock! Shit is known!!! The GOOD Folks are LEGION, opposed by just about NONE! So just go ahead and STEAMROLLER and DOGPILE that one lonely deviant; shit is GOOD to do that!

                      So there, there, GOOD Folks! Better now? Does THIS appease Your PervFected Paranoia and Power Piggery?

    4. damikesc   7 months ago

      Nice to see the government upset about this. Really. They seem super worked up over it.

    5. mad.casual   7 months ago

      hacking group dubbed 'CIA'

      This is, supposedly, their internal self-reference. Outside their own government they're referred to as "Swamp Creatures", "Deep State", or, more recently and consistent with the "Salt Typhoon", "Volt Typhoon", "Fancy Bear", "Cozy Bear", etc. naming convention, "Teary Leftists".

    6. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

      Is that operation Facebook or operation Google?

  4. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

    Apparently there were prosecutorial misconduct filings against Jack Smith and his team filed last year that the DoJ sat on because they didn't want to interrupt the Trump cases.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/3250360/doj-briefs-house-gop-on-internal-inquiry-into-jack-smith-misconduct-allegations/

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

      The law was lawless.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

        Feeling sensations that you thought was dead
        No squealing and remember that it's all in your head

        1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

          Jack's happy,
          not feelin' bad,
          he's got Donald,
          in the bag,

          1. Idaho-Bob   7 months ago

            *groan*

    2. damikesc   7 months ago

      Biden will pardon him. Also likely most of the 1/6 Committee. He knows who his friends are.

  5. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

    The general in charge of sloppy pullout was quietly promoted.

    https://justthenews.com/government/congress/senate-quietly-promotes-army-officer-charge-82nd-airborne-during-afghanistan?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=social-media-autopost

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

      Getting his pension ready.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        What is Biden's cut?

        1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          10% as usual.

          1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

            Up to 15% now. Bidenflation.

    2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

      You know who else had a sloppy pullout?

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   7 months ago

        John Bobbit [or rather Lorena bobbed it]?

      2. Anomalous   7 months ago

        Hunter Biden?

      3. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

        A lot of Catholic parents in the 60's & 70's

    3. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

      I actually don't blame the generals for that. They asked for to keep Bagram opened until the pullout was completed. Biden administration denied that. By the time the commander showed up it was already a shit show, and the ROE basically made it impossible to control. Again, it was the civilian administration that fucked that up.

      1. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

        Milley at least should have been fired.

        1. Jefferson Paul   7 months ago

          Just think how much sloppier the pullout would have been if Milley HADN'T required all the top brass at the Pentagon to carry around a copy of "White Fragility" with them. As everyone knows, wokeness is what gets the most out of our military.

        2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

          Agreed on Milley, but the JC are politicians in my books, not the field commander, which was this guy.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    Atkins is no opponent of crypto; the price of bitcoin shot up after the pick was announced...

    Looks like this virtual currency...
    [dons sunglasses]
    ...has gone on Atkins.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   7 months ago

      Shouldn't it be shedding pounds sterling, then?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

        No.

    2. mad.casual   7 months ago

      To be expected. No more sugar from The Big Guy.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

      Yeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!

  7. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

    Turns out JD Vance was right about cat ladies.

    https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1864434315947323501

    1. Idaho-Bob   7 months ago

      That is hilarious!

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   7 months ago

      But Taylor Swift!

    3. mad.casual   7 months ago

      Good Lord.

      Whomever made that info-graphic should be hit somewhere in the general region of the groin with a solid, amorphous object that doesn't in any way resemble, but functions identically to, a bat. Preferably with a clearly and simply-drawn baseball engraved on it somewhere while the person beating them explains that they're trying to hit them in the gonads with a bat.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        I've never seen someone hate new wave data science presentation art so much. Made me laugh.

        This type of graph is so common in the data science schools now. I see new hires trying to do shit like this often.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          Remember when we used to complain about default Excel bar charts?

        2. mad.casual   7 months ago

          I see new hires trying to do shit like this often.

          [rubs temples at the realization that it's coming to dashboards and UI next]

          Remember when we used to complain about default Excel bar charts?

          Yes.

          I supposed this is the inevitable outcome once the term "black box" is deemed racist and sexist. The data is denoted, as you can clearly see by the Fog Gömböc shape...

          1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

            You should see some of the data visualizations in the courses on Coursera and others. It seems to be where the old graphical design students went.

            They took Edward Tufte and dressed him in drag.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

              Well, that's one way to get the kids to read Tufte.

          2. Idaho-Bob   7 months ago

            "Four Blockers" is my company's latest presentation format.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    A major pro-building housing plan is expected to be approved by city council.

    Trump towers for everyone!

  9. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    Are you a fan of Roundup?

    Everything but the comments.

    1. Randy Sax   7 months ago

      If I donate, do I get a percentage back every time good Liz isn't the one who writes it?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

        Soave is just as pretty a substitute.

        1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          Just the hair.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

            Yeah, but Billy Binion's giving him a run for his money there. If Billy starts swiping Rob's fruit sushi, someone's about to get knocked off their perch.

      2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

        I still stupidly donate in the hopes of keeping the wreck afloat until the day libertarians come back to reclaim it.

        1. mad.casual   7 months ago

          Oh, for Christ's sake!

          1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

            Yeah...

            1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

              I mean, we did get good Liz doing the roundup, so there’s some room for hope.

              1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                True, could be worse.

                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

                  That's the true Soviet People spirit!

        2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          I’ve thought about donating just so the header can read:”Reason supported by insane troll logic”. That would define Boehm and Sullum quite well.

          1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

            Sometimes I call myself Xi Jinping or Pol Pot, but I hardly see them come around in the ticker.

            1. Gaear Grimsrud   7 months ago

              I donated in the name of Jack Mehoff.

            2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

              I saw Fist of Etiquette back on Monday in the header. Made me smile.

              1. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

                They're embezzling from me.

            3. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

              Was thinking of using “sarcasmic the drunk”

              1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                LOL! Let’s see him mute that!

    2. Zeb   7 months ago

      It's good when you need to kill some poison ivy.

    3. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Are you a fan of Roundup?

      It kills weeds , but not as well as it used to.

      1. Zeb   7 months ago

        Did they change the product? Or did the weeds evolve?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          Can we blame it on DEI?

        2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

          Weeds evolving.

          https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/encyclopedia/status-and-concerns-glyphosate-resistance

          1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

            It's because some weeds refused to vaccinate and wear masks.

            1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

              Driving around with weeds in your trunk is a violation of NAP.

              1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                Yep, they might just jump out at random times and seed someone’s lawn.

            2. Jefferson Paul   7 months ago

              You would think all of the bears escaping from trunks would trample some of the weeds and take care of them that way.

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

            Is that some of that gain-of-function stuff?

        3. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

          Pesticide resistance is a pretty big deal and unlike antibiotic resistance, there hasn't been a new pesticide approved since the 1990s. New products are just old pesticides reformulated or combined. No new active agents in thirty years. And this actually threatens our food sources but the EPA you know?

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

            You have no more rights than the snail darter.

  10. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

    Collin Rugg
    @CollinRugg
    NEW: ACLU transgender lawyer says children should be allowed to be castr*ted, stating that even two-year-olds know when it's time to transition.

    Nothing could prepare me for this voice.

    Transgender Chase Strangio will be arguing before the Supreme Court in favor of trans surgeries for minors.

    "These are young people who may have known since they were two years old exactly who they are, who suffered for six, seven years before they had any relief."

    "It's not the kids who are consenting to this treatment, it's the parents who are consenting to the treatment."

    "And as a parent, I would say when our children are suffering, we are suffering."

    There were a lot of dumb arguments made in court to defend and require states to allow Trans surgeries on minors.

    1. shadydave   7 months ago

      Chase Strangio? Really?

      1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

        Funny

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        Obviously a serious expert to be taken seriously.

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   7 months ago

        With a name like Chase I first assumed he's gay but turns out he used to be a chick so don't know if he can still qualify.

        1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          You’ll have to ask jeffsarc about that.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

          When ‘drag king’ Chiyo Gomes, a biological woman, was nominated as a finalist in Mr Gay England in 2020, the magazine [Attitude] quoted her approvingly when she declared: ‘I have a period once a month and I have no qualms openly talking about how my pussy bleeds and how difficult that makes navigating spaces as a gay man.’

          1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

            …how difficult that makes navigating spaces as a gay man.’

            The glory hole would be particularly problematic.

          2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

            You know, the joke used to be about men being lesbians stuck in a male body. This takes it to the extreme for a woman.

            1. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

              Try to follow along.

              Tommy Dorfman "was" a gay male actor (in some TV show I never watched, “13 Reasons Why,” but that's beside the point). He had been married to another man for some time.

              About a year ago, Tommy decided that he was "non-binary" and started using "they" pronouns. "They" has since then divorced "their" husband.

              And now "they" decided "they" are actually a transgender woman, with "she" pronouns. It is not clear to me whether there has been any surgery to complete that transition, but "she" decided to stick with the name Tommy.

              And now "she" has decided that "she" like girls, and is in a relationship with a lesbian.

              Not that there's anything wrong with that.

              TV Star Divorces Husband, Announces Self As Trans Woman, Is Now Engaged To ‘A Gay Girl’ | The Daily Wire

              1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

                It all normal behavior!

              2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                Wait, what in the actual fuck!?!

                So Tommy is a bisexual dude in a dress.

              3. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

                So all it takes to turn a lesbian straight is a mentally I'll bisexual man?

          3. Super Scary   7 months ago

            "how my pussy bleeds and how difficult that makes navigating spaces as a gay man.’"

            I want off this ride.

            1. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   7 months ago

              I want they/them off this ride.

          4. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

            Anyone tell it that gay men seem to be up for anal?

    2. Randy Sax   7 months ago

      It's been said before, but I'll say it again. Saying you have a tranny toddler is like saying you have a vegan cat. We all know who is really making the decisions.

      1. Zeb   7 months ago

        I will extend that metaphor a bit. It's like if you see your cat eating grass (which cats seem to love even though it makes them puke) and then decide that it wants only vegetables from now on.

        1. Super Scary   7 months ago

          Sounds like the cat just identifies as a cow. We'll schedule some surgeries to install a few extra stomachs to help it process that grass.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

            And free cat-cow milk!

      2. damikesc   7 months ago

        If your two year old thinks they are trans, that should qualify as proof of horrific parental abuse and the child should be removed from their presence post haste.

        1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

          Most two year olds speak in two to three words sentences and have a vocabulary of 100-200 words. How exactly can they communicate an abstract thought (much less comprehend it) as they want to transition?

      3. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

        Having a tranny toddler is one of the most coveted status symbols among wokesters. Put your little boy in a princess dress and all your friends will be fawning over you.

    3. Spiritus Mundi   7 months ago

      *suffer*

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

      This whole case is about 2 years too late for the queer cult to be pushing. After the Finland and Cass studies, that medical activist who suppressed her own study for the NYT when the data didn't match up with her wishes, other US-based studies like the U of Washington study (the one constantly cited by AGP freaks such as Al Caraballo and Tony "Erin" Reed) pushing their own contradictory data to the back pages while promoting the "castrate your kids" narrative, and even European countries finally saying, "yeah, we're not supporting this Lysenkoist shit," the queer cult has lost most of the momentum they had when they started really pushing the "trans your kids for liberty" movement about ten years ago when Coy Mathis and Jared "Jazz Jennings" Bloshinksy were pushed front and center by the activist media to promote this crap.

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      I wonder if this is just a step on the path to redistribution of children. Since some oppressed groups can't (or won't) have kids the old-fashioned way but still want some, it only seems "fair" to approach this as a socialist would for any scarce resource: state control and politically-guided distribution.

    6. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

      https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/12/05/how-jaguar-became-a-vehicle-for-lgbt-idiocy/

      Darren Styles, in particular, has been embroiled in a virulent online campaign against any woman who speaks up against the most extreme interpretation of ‘trans rights’. He has, for example, called JK Rowling a ‘peddler of hate’ and blamed her for ‘endangering’ trans people by ‘misgendering’ them. He also demanded that UK prime minister Keir Starmer discipline his former MP, Rosie Duffield, for her gender-critical beliefs. He recently ranted about the NHS’s ban on puberty blockers, denouncing health secretary Wes Streeting (also a gay man) in the process. He also ridiculed gay former MP Neale Hanvey when he spoke up against a ban on ‘trans conversion therapy’. He called Allison Bailey, a black lesbian, ‘a terrible person’, urging people not to donate to her crowdfund for a discrimination case. All this means that Jaguar – a car company – has effectively been backing one side in a gay-rights civil war.

      It gets worse. When Anneliese Dodds, minister for women and equalities, promised to defend women’s single-sex spaces, Styles said he looked forward to ‘hairy-assed, bearded transmen taking a big dump in the cubicle next to [her] so she feels safe’. This is what apparently now passes for ‘progressive’ in the LGBT lobby.

      Attitude also handed trans activist Dylan Mulvaney its Woman of the Year Award last year. Accepting the award on the night, he said: ‘No matter how hard I try, or what I wear, or what surgeries I have, I will never reach an acceptable version of womanhood by those hateful people’s standards.’ That’s right, Dylan, none of those things will ever make you a real woman.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        "Why can't the whole world do what I want?!?"

      2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

        In signs the shit is might be subsiding, HBO announced they are going ahead with their remake of Harry Potter and defended J.K. Rowling's right to voice her opinion publicly.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

          Why does HBO think the world wants a Harry Potter remake?

          1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

            While at least they can remake Prisoners of Azkaban and Goblet of fire considering they were shit adaptations.

            1. Marshal   7 months ago

              I thought Prisoners was the best of the HP movies, the rest ranged from awful to meh. Granted they were targeted more to my kids but I try to watch from that perspective.

              1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

                It was a pretty poor adaptation of the book.

            2. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

              I'm not sure if I've ever seen any Harry Potter movie all the way through. I know I never read any of the books. I did see that Fabulous Creatures or whatever it was with the guy who looked like one of the Doctors Who.

              1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

                I read the first one out of curiosity because of all the hooplah/controversy about them when they first came out and became hooked. Granted they bare a lot of similarities to the original Star Wars Trilogy and such, but Rowling's has a very good writing style.

          2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

            My understanding of what I've read about it, is it's going to be episodic to try and capture more of the books than can be captured in a 2-3 hour movie. So, probably more like GoT, ten episodes a season.

        2. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

          At the same time they are actively race swapping major characters for "diversity" reasons, in other words abandoning fidelity to the characters as created.

          JK Rawling needs to pick a gucking side, replacing whites with blacks is the same as replacing women with men if she was anything but a self-serving ideological twat.

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

        Guaranteed that's twat's up to his neck in kiddie diddling crap like the Abercrombie and Fitch CEO was. These creeps always are.

    7. The Margrave of Azilia   7 months ago

      This case will establish the right of parents to "voluntarily" c@strate their sons in response to government threats of losing custody.

    8. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

      As for the purported "benefits," at one point, Justice Samuel Alito pulled up Page 195 of the Independent Review of Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People (commonly known as "The Cass Report"), which found that allowing adolescents to "transition" doesn't actually prevent suicide.

      In response, trans-identifying attorney Chase Strangio, the lead American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) lawyer representing the transgender lobby in this case, had to admit under oath that there's "no evidence" that these "treatments" truly reduce the number of suicides among gender dysphoric individuals.

  11. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

    Gosh, what on earth do they need preemptive pardons for?

    The Biden White House is considering preemptive pardons for those in Trump’s crosshairs, including Adam Schiff, Liz Cheney, and Anthony Fauci, POLITICO reports.

    Must be revenge, right Sarcasmic? But revenge for what and how do they know what the Trump DOJ would charge them for?

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      Don’t you remember all the summary executions the last time orange man bad was in office?

      1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        Yes, the death toll was so substantial that it made Mao look like a piker.

        1. Ajsloss   7 months ago

          There were refrigerator trucks outside of the morgues!

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   7 months ago

        No, but I do remember losing nearly all my civil rights for a few years under his administration.

        1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

          Those were dark times indeed.

          1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

            HE BANNNED MY ABORTION!!!

        2. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

          How so?

        3. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

          That mostly happened at the state level, but it's true that Trump did nothing to defend us from COVID fascism perpetrated by state governments.

          1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

            Even so, that was only one year. A few years of his administration would start in 2018.

            1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

              It was more than one year for many of us.

              1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

                But only one was under his administration.

        4. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

          You mean when Governors banned your exercise of your civil rights? Be specific here as to who exactly violated your rights.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

      There is no preemptive pardon. That would be called immunity.

      Funny how the side that objected to blanket immunity for the president seems to have little problem with Biden issuing such immunity.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

        I'm wondering if there were rumblings coming out of the Trump camp that they were going to go after Schiff, at the very least, for seditious conspiracy, given all the fake bullshit he was pushing in the news. The shit about Liz Cheney and Fauci doesn't seem likely and is probably more misdirection related to their deep desire for Trump to be Augustus and Mark Antony rather than Caesar.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

          Is that what it will take to see his smoking gun evidence against Trump?

    3. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

      Hunter Biden was pardoned for a 10 year period covering ANY POSSIBLE CRIME. That has never happened. Not even to Nixon. If we find out Hunter Biden sold nuclear secrets to China tomorrow, there is literally nothing anyone can do.

      1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        That’s why pitchforks, torches, and tar and feathering need to make a comeback.

        1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

          tHaT's poPuLisM

      2. mad.casual   7 months ago

        literally nothing anyone can do

        I'd agree that there's nothing Brian Thompson can do.

      3. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

        Not even to Nixon.

        But, no less a mind than chemjeff himself, told me this is the same thing Nixon got.

        1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

          Oh, well, if Lying Jeffy said it...

      4. chemjeff radical individualist   7 months ago

        https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-4311-granting-pardon-richard-nixon

        Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

        So it is the same *type* of pardon that Nixon got. The only difference is the duration of the pardon. So no, it is not true that this sort of thing has never happened before.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

          Yes, Hunter is getting Nixon level pardon. Doesn't that say anything about the level of corruption?

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

            Hunter will tell you he's not a crook.

        2. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

          Why does Hunter's pardon require such a longer duration, oh wise-one?

        3. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

          Five fucking years, Lying Jeffy, not ten, and it didn't extend past the period he was president. Hunter got an extra four years past the time the things he was charged for occurred... Strangely enough right to the time Hunter got involved with Burisma.

          Do you have an excuse yet for that one? It's been a few days so Media Matters must have sent you a couple.

          1. Outlaw Josey Wales   7 months ago

            Hunter has a caring father - our blessed media.

        4. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          Not quite, cuntjeff. One, the duration is much longer. Two, it’s to a private citizen, not the highest public official in the land. Three, Nixon’s looked broad, but really covered only Watergate and things related to it without mentioning Watergate. Four, this is for everything under the sun that violated a federal law.

          1. markm23   7 months ago

            "Nixon’s looked broad, but really covered only Watergate and things related to it without mentioning Watergate." No, it covers EVERYTHING during Nixon's time in office. The reason you think it only covers Watergate is you don't think Nixon came even close to lawbreaking except for Watergate.

            And I agree with that. I wish Ford had made Nixon list each and every crime that Nixon feared he might be accused of, but I don't think the list would have went beyond hiring an ex-CIA team to look for leaks in his office and campaign and find out what in heck the Democrats were up to in the 1972 campaign, giving them unsupervised access to unlimited paper bags full of hundred dollar bills, and trying to cover up his guy's crimes when they got caught. (There's also questions about where all those hundred dollar bills came from, but money-laundering and campaign finance laws weren't yet tight enough to make it implausible that Nixon's team of lawyers found a way to keep it legal.)

            In my opinion, anytime before the election, Nixon could have gone on national TV, admitted to hiring these fools with instructions that could have been misunderstood to include burglaries to plant bugs on the Democratic leadership, "taken full responsibility" for that (a meaningless phrase), and protected them with a pardon, and won by maybe "only" 56% to 42% rather than 61% to 48%. And he'd have been perfectly fine, because the only thing ever provable against him was the cover-up and the stupidity - and a whole lot of other Americans must have wondered if the Democrats were out to throw that election, were just so incompetent and crazed, or had some deep plan. I'd take a little of (a) and a lot of (b).

            OTOH, Hunter's pardon covers suspected but not investigated crimes unrelated to tax evasion and drug use with a gun, but accessory to crimes _his father_ could have gone to prison for - if they'd been exposed too well for a Democratic AG to cover up before he became unfit to stand trial.

      5. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

        Not true, Trump can issue a blanket pardon for the person who brings him Hunter's heart.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      How to make our elites even more elitier.

      "Sure we support rule of law, but not if it targets important people."

  12. Sometimes a Great Notion   7 months ago

    like prominent journalist Taylor Lorenz,

    Prominent Journalist = Known Conspiracy Therorist and Crank?

    1. Zeb   7 months ago

      Sometimes that helps. We all know who she is, don't we?

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        Yes, but not for good journalism.

        1. Zeb   7 months ago

          No, but prominence just means she stands out.

          1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

            Yeah, stands out like a massive zit.

    2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      She is raw dogging the internet.

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

        Muh uncondomed air!

      2. DesigNate   7 months ago

        Her analogy was so bad I thought maybe Jeff had written it for her.

        1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

          Imagine a bear in a trunk with no air condom.

    3. Randy Sax   7 months ago

      Known Conspiracy Therorist and Crank

      You say that like it's a bad thing. No love for Lorenz, but some of my best friends are conspiracy theorists.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   7 months ago

        I, like your friend maybe, was a Conspiracy Therorist but I thanks to Congress's report yesterday, I think I've been rehabilitated into a Vindicated Theorist.

        1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

          Oh, sure, now you trust government reports.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   7 months ago

            No, the government finally learned to trust my reports (well Dr. Jay's and friends among others)!

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   7 months ago

          I prefer to identify as a conspiracy realist.

      2. CE   7 months ago

        If you're not a conspiracy theorist these days, you're way too gullible.

    4. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

      Prominent 50 year old pretending to be hip early 30s internet guru.

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

        Seriously, she's older than me and still pretending she's the voice of the youth.

        1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          Didn’t you know that 50 is the new 20?

          1. Ajsloss   7 months ago

            50 is 10 in Celsius.

            1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

              *Buttplug sidles over and says "How do you do"*

              1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

                How long can puberty blockers work?

    5. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

      The only reason I know who Taylor Lorenz is, is due to Ms. Lorenz’s harassment of Libs of TikTok. Otherwise, TayTay is a nobody to me.

      1. Idaho-Bob   7 months ago

        Yeah, that bitch was responsible for outing/doxing Chaya Raichik.

  13. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago


    Attorney General Andrew Bailey
    @AGAndrewBailey
    BREAKING:
    @JoeBiden
    is trying to force through a FOURTH illegal student loan cancellation scheme.

    I led 23 AGs in putting Biden on notice that this latest scheme is unlawful and must be rescinded immediately.

    We are prepared for yet another court battle if he tries again.

    You'll have to wait for sarc to tell you why openly ignoring courts and the constitution is Trump's fault.

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      TTTRRRUUUMMMMMMPPPP!

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

      Why stack the court when you can just ignore their rulings?

      1. CE   7 months ago

        Why worry about getting a majority in Congress when you can just raid the public treasury yourself?

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        FYTW

      3. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

        How many divisions does the Chief Justice have?

    3. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

      Sarc will claim something about it somehow not being ok even if Democrats did it first.

    4. Sometimes a Great Notion   7 months ago

      The Defender of Democracy, Joe Biden, once again circumventing the democratically elected representatives of the nation and ignoring the independent judiciary.

      Thought I might be done but once more:

      Fuck Joe Biden

      1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        But, according to Sarc, Biden respects the Constitution.

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

          Ahem. Recognizes. Don't make him tap the sign calling you a liar.

          sarcasmic 1 year ago
          Flag Comment
          Mute User
          Why wouldn't there be? Despite all his faults, at least Biden recognizes the Constitution. Can't say the same about Trump.

          1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

            Doing the ambassador’s job well.

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

              I try.

          2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

            Ok, so I misremembered the exact word. I promise to do better next time.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   7 months ago

        It's as topical now as it was two years ago.

    5. damikesc   7 months ago

      ,,,,BUT...BUT....BUT....MUH NORMZ!!!!

    6. markm23   7 months ago

      Once the new AG is in office, can he sue Biden to recover all funds improperly disbursed? Biden is unfit to stand trial (and think about what it means that the Democrat leadership thinks it's OK to keep him in office!), but that only applies to criminal trials. Civil suits can proceed against the dead as well as the insane.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    Elon Musk is heading to the Capitol on Thursday to stoke congressional enthusiasm for his ambitious effort to slash at least $2 trillion from the federal budget...

    I'm sure the boys on the Hill will be thrilled to hear about the impending Sequesteropolis II, Eclectic Sequesteroo.

    1. mad.casual   7 months ago

      Congress: You couldn't slash our budget on the budget-slashingest day of your life if you had an electrified budget-slashing machine!
      Musk: [posts to X]

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   7 months ago

        While the technology for such a machine may not currently exist, if they fuck with him Elon will just invent one.

        1. mad.casual   7 months ago

          I actually expect Musk to have a working demo of "Porky" or "Grok II: Son of Grok" or whatever that's been trained on Ron Paul, Basiat, Hayek, etc. to summarize thousands of pages of legislation succinctly and obviate the need for pesky staffers who demand $20/hr., post their buttsex videos in the senate chambers to youtube, and refuse to wear masks. Thomas Massie has already used a precursor to it when he crafted H.R.899. It would make everyone's offices more streamlined, meaning more money would wind up in campaign funds.

  15. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

    There is no genuine credential called "disinformation expert" -- as if someone is a floating arbiter of truth and falsity. It was invented in 2017 to disguise the new industry of online political censorship as apolitical science.

    Anyone calling themselves this is a fraud:

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

      Yeah, it's just another marxist euphemism tactic to cover their efforts at seizing power to harm their political enemies.

      This is ultimately why they were throwing temper tantrums after Musk bought the platform and made it more politically balanced, and are now migrating over to Bluesky to make it into the left-wing ghetto that Twitter was prior to Musk taking over. As even CNN had to admit, two years ago the split was about 65% Democrat/left wing : 35% Republican/right wing. In 2024, that dropped to 46/45.

      The lefties didn't want a "neutral" platform, they wanted a digital public square that resembled California or Colorado, where Republicans and anyone on the right are neutered from having an effective voice in the larger political space. So now they're rushing to Bluesky and creating the same radical left feedback loop that we've had in academia since the 90s.

      1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

        What about mastodon?

        1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          I think that died after the ice age.

        2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

          Mastodon is impossible to censor broadly. As it's self-hosted the best you can do is block certain users from accessing your own little group. You can't block or ban people from Mastodon as a whole.
          I'll let you guess why that was not an acceptable solution for the Democrats.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

            Yeah, one of the reasons that lefties are calling Bluesky "2019 Twitter" is due to their ability to mass block and purity-test people there. The last thing their users want, such as former CIA scumbag Michael Hayden, commie celebrities, or "center-right"/liberaltarian bottom bitches like Popehat or Radley Balko, is anyone who can push back against the pretenses of their self-imposed ghetto

    2. mtrueman   7 months ago

      "Anyone calling themselves this is a fraud:"

      There must be disinformation experts in the half dozen or so intelligence agencies. The funding for such positions is certainly there. The experts would prove useful in concocting plausible false stories to discredit or confound opponents. They would also be handy when it comes to assessing the truth or falsity of similar stories coming from the other side.

      No doubt such employees when they retire seek well paying jobs in the private sector, as happens routinely in the military.

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

        Those are propaganda units. The concept of disinformation is itself propaganda.

        1. mtrueman   7 months ago

          "Those are propaganda units."

          Of course they are. Where would modern political campaigns (a multibillion dollar industry) be without advertising? Or can you imagine a Madison Av marketing firm without its propagandists? The people behind these efforts are highly paid, experienced and influential. Whether or not you want to call them 'experts' is up for debate.

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

            Perhaps to your point, most of the 51 intel people that signed the Hunter laptop letter were in the private sector.

            People get upset about an ex-president having access to classified information, I'm far more concerned about ex-intel in the private sector having access.

            1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

              Every single one of those lying signatories need their security clearances revoked for good. They knew they were trying to affect the election.

              1. Social Justice is neither   7 months ago

                No, they need a permanent residence in Guantanimo with complimentary daily waterboarding for no reason.

      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

        And then we have idiots like you here!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          Whoosh!

      3. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        You would know best, misconstrueman.

        1. mtrueman   7 months ago

          I think for a few minutes before commenting. It shouldn't be too high a standard for you or Mother's Lament (Salt farmer) to follow. There clearly are people who call (or would call) themselves disinformation experts. You're paying their salaries.

          1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

            Look, dudette, you come in here spewing all sorts of misinformation and disinformation yourself, and you once claimed that spreading nonsense was an end unto itself. If you took that minute prior to commenting, it doesn’t show in your work, misconstrueman.

            1. mtrueman   7 months ago

              "Look, dudette, you come in here spewing all sorts of misinformation and disinformation yourself"

              I've never claimed to be an expert.

              "it doesn’t show in your work"

              I'm only an amateur. The fact remains that our intelligence and ad agencies are full of disinformation experts. You can't deny it, so ad hom it is.

              1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                You understand debating terms about ad well as Sarc. It’s not ad hom if I’m addressing you and your comments directly.

                1. mtrueman   7 months ago

                  "You understand debating terms about ad well as Sarc. "

                  I never claimed to be an expert. The fact remains that our intelligence and ad agencies are full of disinformation experts. You can't deny it so let's discuss my shortcomings instead.

              2. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

                ""disinformation experts.""

                They may call themselves that. That doesn't make it true. It would fall under propaganda as ML is pointing out. But propaganda operations within the US sounds horrible so let's call it disinformation. That will make it better.

                1. mtrueman   7 months ago

                  "That doesn't make it true. It would fall under propaganda as ML is pointing out. "

                  I don't get the distinction. Do you believe there are experts in propaganda but no such thing as expertise in disinformation? I understand the reflexive need in some to disagree with any point I try to make here. Is that what is going on or is it something else?

          2. SQRLSY   7 months ago

            Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)'s preferred HONEST posting pronoun is now "Murderer's Lament (Suicide Farmer)", I will have ye know!!! She DEARLY loves the Fartilized Egg Smells, butt thinks and stinks that politically grown-up persons should commit suicide! And is swilling to say ass much!!!

            1. SQRLSY   7 months ago

              "...politically INCORRECT grown-up persons..." I meant to write...

    3. mad.casual   7 months ago

      My disinformation expert's name is John Moses Browning.

      Your concrete wall identifies as cover but my M2 fact checker says it's concealment.

      1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

        Don't fuck with Ma Deuce.

        1. mad.casual   7 months ago

          The Moose says you're closed. I say you're open.

  16. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

    PETER HOTEZ: “We have some big picture stuff coming down the pike starting on January 21st”

    … Names Nearly a Dozen Viruses …

    “All that’s going to come crashing down on January 21st on the Trump Administration”

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      The round glasses and bow tie show how serious he is.

    2. Zeb   7 months ago

      Oh my god, fuck that guy. How many times have they tried to scare people with H5N1?

      1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

        The separation, genetically between humans and those feathered dinosaurs is pretty large, like exponentially larger than between a bat and a human. That's why it is rare with humans and the few cases of it infecting humans have been in mostly third world conditions where the people were literally living with their poultry. Yeah when you are constantly exposed, with massive doses of a virus, one might be able to infect you. Also it's likely, due to your living conditions, your immune system probably isn't that great to begin with. Despite the outbreaks among migratory birds in the US, no duck hunter has yet contracted it. All the outbreaks in our poultry farms and no outbreaks among poultry farmers or workers domestically (two dairy farm workers and one poultry worker in the last two years of the most recent outbreak domestically). Would mention that wild birds are a real issue on most dairies, so dairy cattle exposure isn't really a surprise.

        1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

          "The separation, genetically between humans and those feathered dinosaurs is pretty large"

          Exactly, the split of the Synapsid and the Sauropsid amniotes occurred just after the clade formed some time in the Carboniferous around 318 mya. That's 636 million years of deviation between birds and people.

    3. Idaho-Bob   7 months ago

      Simple solution: zero compliance. Whatever they demand, do the opposite.

      1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

        Recent experience shows us that about 95% of Americans will do exactly as they're told by the government, no matter how absurd or oppressive.

    4. Gaear Grimsrud   7 months ago

      Honestly a public hanging is too merciful for this criminal unless preceded by a public flogging open to any and all volunteers for as long as it takes.

      1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        Drawing and quartering should have a revival.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   7 months ago

    We believe a large number of Americans' metadata was taken...

    It's less of a trove than what the ChiComs get from Americans' TikTok accounts.

  18. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

    Jeffsarcs sources.


    Rusty
    @Rusty_Weiss
    Good Lord.
    @ScottJenningsKY
    has to put out multiple rhetorical fires on this CNN panel, which repeatedly lies, suggesting Trump will send the military in to "make blue states behave" or to shoot and kill "American citizens."

    Watch ...

    https://x.com/Rusty_Weiss/status/1864285771068301677

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

      There needs to be some sort of fund to help victims sue CNN hosts when they lie.

    2. Idaho-Bob   7 months ago

      Projection. This is what the left has wanted to do for years.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

        They were already setting it up with those DoD policy changes before the election, anticipating that Harris would use federal troops to shoot Republican voters after the 2 am ballot dumps gave her the victory. Now they're claiming that this isn't what it was for at all, no siree, and that Trump can be blocked by the National Guard on illegal deportations, not realizing that Eisenhower used the 101st Airborne to squash Faubus's effort to use the Arkansas Guard to prevent school integration.

        That's how you get Denver's Howdy Doody mayor claiming that he's going to use the Denver police and northwest Denver residents as his personal army and human shields to stop Homan from deporting violent criminal immigrants.

    3. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

      CNN seems to be chock full of retards these days.

      1. Randy Sax   7 months ago

        Only these days?

        1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

          Fair enough.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        Which is why Jennings is having the time of his life. Gets to interact with a lot of jeffsarcs daily.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

      How about if we just use the military to seal the borders around blue states? Except, of course, for sanctuary-seeking "immigrants" and distraught wokesters who are allowed to enter (but not exit).

      1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        And what about us in said blue states that are in red/purple areas of those states?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          Join the underground?

          1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

            The real #resistance.

    5. DeAnnP   7 months ago

      Not shoot to kill, actually he just wanted to take their legs out or something....

      and he did threaten to send military into blue areas that "dont behave". PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Mayors and governors must establish an overwhelming law enforcement presence until the violence has been quelled. If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them.

      1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

        Isn’t defending life and property one of the few legitimate responsibilities of government?

      2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

        Referring to riot activity and it was what he was stating Biden should do in case of a riot. Nice taking shit out of context moron.

        1. DesigNate   7 months ago

          If she didn’t do that, she’d have nothing to say.

  19. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

    There's a reason why Newsome banned ID. A fucking month is psychotic.

    If you took 28 days to count 210K votes — YOU CHEATED.

    BREAKING: CALIFORNIA DEM FLIPS HOUSE SEAT IN FINAL RACE

    Adam Gray, a former state lawmaker, defeated incumbent Republican John Duarte in California’s 13th District, flipping the seat after trailing by 3,000 votes on election night.

    This reversal from 2022 gives Democrats 215 seats to Republicans' 220, but with Trump wanting two House members in his administration, GOP control remains shaky.

    Gray emphasized law enforcement endorsements, while Duarte pushed for bipartisan farmer support.

    California’s lengthy mail-in ballot process delayed the final results.</i

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      No widespread fraud.

      1. CE   7 months ago

        The ballots kept trickling in, and we didn't want to disenfranchise anyone....

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

          And that includes anyone who intended to vote but never got around to it. Obviously, those people would have voted (D).

        2. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

          Merced Country Registrar of Voters Melvin Levey told The Independent there is no evidence of election fraud in this race.

          “I think there's, you know, maybe some misunderstanding on her part about how California processes ballots, how we ensure that the vote count is accurate and is secure,” he added.

          "There are around 1,500 ballots that are still challenged, mostly because of the voters’ signatures, according to the Merced Country Registrar of Voters Melvin Levey.

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

      I don't get why dems and jeffsarcs are so against counting the complete number of votes BEFORE starting to count who won.

      1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

        You just want the wrong people to win.

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

          Fair.

        2. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

          Yeah, the ones chosen by the people not the "experts".

          1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

            Populism!!!

      2. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        You don’t want somebody who wasn’t sent to win, do you?

      3. mad.casual   7 months ago

        Because then you won't be able to render the whole process meaningless by giving people an arbitrarily large number of votes per ballot with RCV. Duh.

        Why do you oppose such simple solutions to the problem of voting?

      4. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

        I think we know EXACTLY why they don't want to produce a tally of the ballots cast before they count the votes.

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

      28 days to count?

      All the new staff wanted to take vacation on their start date. So that left two people to count the ballots.

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

        They counted 312 ballots an hour. 5.2 ballots a minute. One ballot every eleven seconds.

  20. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

    "Elon Musk is heading to the Capitol on Thursday to stoke congressional enthusiasm for his ambitious effort to slash at least $2 trillion from the federal budget, a level of austerity unprecedented in the US since the winding down of World War II," reports Bloomberg. You truly love to see it.

    Love to see it it does not include: Boehm, sullum, sarc, Jeff, shrike, sqrsly, mike....

  21. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

    You guys should have seen the ridiculous smear article Lying Jeffy posted yesterday if you think the Hegseth smears are retarded.

    Here’s your on the record statements from people who worked with @PeteHegseth. I know there’s MANY more of you. Drop it here.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

      It was bad. The liberaltatarians here love their anonymously sourced leftist narratives.

      His mom also had to go on fox news to expose the NYT reporter who published het letter from Pete's divorce.

    2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      drank in ways that concerned co workers

      You mean like that wine in the butt thing?

    3. Idaho-Bob   7 months ago

      JFC...Now I understand the meaning of the phase "hate speech".

      It applies to the leftist media.

    4. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

      Jeffy: libertarians for libel and slander.

      1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

        One of the many different ways Lying Jeffy lies.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        You're against libel and slander if you don't support the Alex Jones 1.5B judgement - sarc.

    5. mad.casual   7 months ago

      Similar, but slightly OT, but more local to Reason, or at least Robby.

      Personally, more interestingly, @8:39, there's a discussion of something that I, and I presume many others, weren't able to fully conceptualize or verbalize that Trump and his election team stole from the DNC and then beat them to death with (again).

      1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

        They definitely got the part about Trump working at McDonald's and not making it look patronizing. The dude just looked like he was having fun. Say what you like about Trump but he has charisma to spare.

  22. swillfredo pareto   7 months ago

    Bluesky venting about how much you want the guillotine to come for them doesn't...make you morally decent.

    Quite the opposite actually.

    1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

      After fair trials, of course.

  23. Minadin   7 months ago

    Taylor Lorenz
    February 5th, 1963 -

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

      LOL, Tay-Tay's middle-aged, but she isn't that old. She admitted to be being 50 a few days ago, which puts her birthday in 1974.

      1. Minadin   7 months ago

        I was being deliberately unkind.

        1. Dillinger   7 months ago

          whatever age she is I feel terrible she's clearly never once had good sex.

          1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

            Given her, any guy who could’ve done so would’ve avoided her.

  24. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

    Giving Misek a run for the lead in the 'whack-job' event:
    "Moon Landing Denier Gets So Much Wrong on Joe Rogan Podcast"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcMvXvO3hRI

    1. Zeb   7 months ago

      Moon landing skeptics are right up there with the people who think they've reinvented physics because they don't understand the difference between energy and momentum.

      1. mad.casual   7 months ago

        In their meager defense, Moon landing skeptic deniers frequently come off as their own brand of phenomenally upward-failing morons as well.

        I don't doubt the Moon landing one iota, but even I had to pull an "Oh. Come. On!" when Mythbusters did their "Let's bust the myth of the myth of the Moon landing." episode and they start out with "The only way we can prove the Moon landing actually happened is with the help of NASA."

        I reject your reality and substitute my own. Indeed.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

          In Mythbusters defense, they weren't gonna get photos from anyone else.

          1. mad.casual   7 months ago

            You get your opposing side's take and their evidence supporting it. That's how the whole debate thing works.

            But then, when you want people to believe that you or your opponent isn't deceiving them, right or wrong, you don't ask them to help with the arguments against the evidence they provided. It's a breach of trust or conflict of interest.

            NASA provides the photos, but the idea that only NASA can prove that the photos are real is about as stupid as you can get. And that part of the episode they did right... without NASA's help. Most of the rest of it was straight down the pipe "The only way the Moon Landing is fake is if NASA faked it. Myth: Busted."

            1. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

              Other countries have images of the Apollo landing sites, including China. People have used the laser reflectors left on the moon by Apolla 11, 14, 15 for 50 years to help measure the distance between the earth and the moon.

        2. CE   7 months ago

          The only way we can prove the world isn't flat is with the help of people who SAY they've sailed around it. Or flown around it. Or orbited it.

          1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

            Or stood on a mountain top, or watched ships come over the horizon on the ocean...

            There's a reason why the ancients were able to accurately calculate the circumference of the earth 2500 years ago.

          2. mad.casual   7 months ago

            In Squid Games, the writers/translators broke Deus Ex Machina for me when Ali's character explains how the Dalgona reminds him of the Moon "where he's from".

            If your sole authoritative source of truth about The Moon is NASA, you're not the person to bust the myth of the myth of the Moon landing. Again, don't blame me, I certainly agree that the Moon landing was absolutely real, I'm just the messenger and I'm telling you, that's just how this whole trust, deductive reasoning, objective and impartial truth, recusal/self-interest, fruit-of-the-poisoned-tree thing works.

            1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

              Penn and Teller did it better anyhow. And they had tits on their show.

          3. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

            We don’t even need to go that far. Eratosthenes of Cyrene was able to not only show the spherical nature of the Earth, but also came close to the size (and even got the tilt right) in the 3rd century BC using known pole heights and shadows at Alexandria and Aswan.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

              Math and geometry? Sounds like a typical white guy.

              1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

                Well, they were Greeks and Egyptians.

                1. Gaear Grimsrud   7 months ago

                  Greeks and Egyptians are just as racist as white MAGA dudes. Alright maybe not Egyptians.

                  1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

                    Well, the ancient Egyptians were a bit different than modern Egyptians (which have a large Arabic and Turkish ancestry). Probably the closest genetically to ancient Egyptians are the Coptic Christians (though they also have a lot of Greek and Roman heritage). So, it really depends on how you define white.

                    1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

                      how you define white.

                      Defining "white" is a good example of The Horseshoe Theory. Both Black racists and white racists agree that Greeks, Arabs, and maybe even Italians are not white.

                    2. mtrueman   7 months ago

                      "to ancient Egyptians are the Coptic Christians"

                      Doesn't really make sense. Christ died about 2000 years ago at the age of 33, I am told. Ancient Egyptians were constructing monuments like the Sphinx at least 2000 years before Christ appeared on the scene.

                    3. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

                      LOL, man misconstruman, you are dumb.

                    4. mtrueman   7 months ago

                      "LOL, man misconstruman, you are dumb."

                      Confused? There were no Christians, Coptic or otherwise, before the birth of Christ, about 2000 years ago.

                    5. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

                      The word are means present tense.

                    6. mtrueman   7 months ago

                      "The word are means present tense."

                      The word 'ancient' means ancient.

                    7. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

                      You really are to stupid. I said the Coptic Christians (notice I was referring to heritage you fucking idiot) have the closest genetically to the ancient Egyptians. That isn't changed by when Christ was born, you fucking moron!!!

                    8. mtrueman   7 months ago

                      'too' is probably what you meant.

                      Coptic is a language. Christian is a religion. Neither are passed through genetics but culture.

                      Ancient Egyptians were a hodge podge of various peoples from up and down the Nile and around the Mediterranean. That's what genetic studies of the mummies tell us. That's what their depictions of themselves in tomb paintings tell us. If you have other sources contradicting this, you are welcome to share.

                2. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

                  The Africentrists say the ancient Greeks and Egyptians were Black.

                  1. mtrueman   7 months ago

                    Nubians were and are black, I believe. They are the most ancient civilization of Egypt and come from the upper Nile. The Egyptians of the Nile delta are a more recent phenomena and are more of a mix of various peoples of the Mediterranean, including the Nubians. Egyptian tomb paintings show various peoples of varying skin tones.

                    1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

                      Also known as Hoteps, they are referring to the latter. Some also claim the Greeks were black.

        3. Zeb   7 months ago

          Oh, that's certainly true as well. Smug "debunkers" are annoying and often not as smart as they think they are. I just mean that a lot of the arguments of how the moon landing was obviously fake are based on ignorance and misunderstandings of physics, optics, photographic processes and many other things.

          1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

            It's also based on the production of numerous moon landing simulations filmed by TV network news departments and NASA, and their inability to tell them apart from the real footage.

        4. damikesc   7 months ago

          My entire debunking of the "moon landing was fake" idiots is "Do you REALLY think the Soviets would have played along? They knew where they were also and never said they were at a soundstage"

          1. Minadin   7 months ago

            That's kind of like my debunking of the Obama 'Birther' stuff:

            "You don't think that Hillary Clinton would have been ALL OVER that, if it were even possibly true?"

            1. DesigNate   7 months ago

              She started the birther conspiracy theory in the 2008 primaries….

            2. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

              We never really got to the bottom of Obama's life story. I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, but the "birth certificate" that was finally released was fishy. I suspect there is information on his real birth record that his handlers went to great lengths to conceal, but it was something other than his place of birth.

              1. mtrueman   7 months ago

                I have no problem believing that Obama was born in Hawaii. I don't understand how the issue became such a controversy. If there is something fishy, I think it's his attendance at public school in Indonesia. Did Obama have to convert to Islam to be admitted? I have no idea, but I understand the impulse to keep it a secret if he did.

                1. Marshal   7 months ago

                  I don't understand how the issue became such a controversy.

                  Obama's autobiography stated he was born in Kenya.

                  1. mtrueman   7 months ago

                    "Obama's autobiography stated he was born in Kenya."

                    Which one? He's written at least two I'm familiar with.

                  2. Minadin   7 months ago

                    We shouldn't really concern ourselves with things mtruemann doesn't understand. It's an overly broad category.

              2. markm23   7 months ago

                Obama's birth certificate is in the same form as mine from Nebraska in the 1950's. It's in the same form as my wife's, daughter's, and grandchildrens' from Michigan. It's in the same form as my son's from New Mexico. What the heck do you imagine is fishy about it?

          2. mad.casual   7 months ago

            Right, even the pretty straightforward progression from Goddard to Von Braun to Sputnik to NASA... either you have to assume a 45-yr. long con from America to Nazi Germany to Soviet Russia and back, or you have to assume rocketry advanced at a not-incoherent pace right up until the point that NASA got ahold of it, and then stopped.

            1. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

              Well, most of them also believe in a grand centuries long international conspiracy the provides warships that prevents people from visiting Antartica and the great ice wall.

              1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

                Joe Rogan believes in dragons.

      2. Minadin   7 months ago

        It was a soundstage on Mars. I thought everyone knew that.

        https://xkcd.com/202/

        1. mtrueman   7 months ago

          I've no problem with the moon landings, but some of the conspiracists make what I believe are good arguments for the faking of at least some of the photos. One video I remember showed the purported head of Hasselblad debunking some of the photos. It's worth noting that the use of faked photos by the government goes back to the civil war when photography was still in its infancy. Why NASA would fake some photos and also use genuine ones is an issue, but the argument makes for an entertaining watch.

  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    'In 2021, the company came under fire because it announced a plan to start denying payment for emergency room visits deemed unnecessary (something competitors also intended to do). "Threatening patients with a financial penalty for making the wrong decision could have a chilling effect on seeking emergency care," wrote the chief executive of the trade group American Hospital Association at the time.'

    Hey, how can we achieve liberaltarian utopia unless people can do what they want without consequences?

    1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      But what about denying medical care for the unvaxxed?

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        Many fake libertarians would allow it. Including chase who advocated pressure and "social responsibility" to be vaxxed.

    2. Lester75   7 months ago

      What happened to a relative of mine: They fainted at work (outside watching kids), then were taken to the hospital. Insurance wanted to bill them for ambulance use which they couldn't help using because they had fainted. The cause was heat/dehydration. The people around should just have put cold washcloths on them and given cold drinks, right? We got insurance to pay eventually after a lot of paperwork fuss.

      1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

        I've worked the ER. You would be surprised at how many ER visits are for bullshit. We had a guy show up at 0300, kids with obvious chicken pox. We told him the kids have chicken pox. He said 'i know, I want them cured because we leave for vacation in three hours.' We didn't even call the doctor, just sent him home.

        1. Kyfho Myoba   7 months ago

          That's not Lester75's point. The point is that they PAID for necessary ER coverage and they didn't get it. This is called FRAUD.

  26. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

    "A large number of Americans' metadata has been stolen in the sweeping cyberespionage campaign carried out by a Chinese hacking group dubbed 'Salt Typhoon,'" per Reuters. "We believe a large number of Americans' metadata was taken," a senior U.S. official told the newswire. "We do not believe it's every cell phone in the country, but we believe it's potentially a large number of individuals that the Chinese government was focused on."

    Are those the people with or without all the COVID vax jabs?

  27. Liberty_Belle   7 months ago

    CEO who led United Healthcare policy which denies 31% of medical claims (far higher than the 13% industry average) shot dead in the streets.

    No witnesses come forward. My, my, how strange.

    1. Super Scary   7 months ago

      Now that he's dead, everyone's insurance rates will go down, right? He's dead now, so they will allow more claims, right? That's what everyone is celebrating about, right?

      1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

        He personally stamped “denied” on the claim forms while sporting an erection.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

      LOL, yeah, I'm sure it's the denial rates and not at all any shady side shit these guys are usually involved in.

      1. Liberty_Belle   7 months ago

        Police sources told the New York Post that the words "deny," "depose" and "defend" were written on the live rounds and casings left behind by the assassin after the shooting. Each bullet and casing had just one word written on it.

        "Clearly intentionally left to make a statement," the detective said on Thursday. "This will help identify a motive and eventually the suspect."

        The words could be derived from "Delay. Deny. Defend: Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It," a book published by Jay Feinman in 2010. Fox News Digital could not reach Feinman or the book's publisher, Delden Press, for comment at press time.

        https://www.foxnews.com/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-assassin-left-message-behind-make-statement-throw-off-police-detectives

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

          "This is MAGA country!"

    3. Minadin   7 months ago

      Further evidence that Lefties are such loving, non-violent creatures.

      Party of tolerance and inclusion and peace. Keep telling yourselves that as you banish the apostates from your ranks.

    4. damikesc   7 months ago

      Funny watching progressives justifying murder against those they disagree with.

      1. Liberty_Belle   7 months ago

        Who is justifying anything ? Stop projecting / strawman-ing.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

          No witnesses come forward. My, my, how strange.

          At least try to remember what you wrote before lunch, you dizzy twat.

          1. Liberty_Belle   7 months ago

            I hope Santa brings you a dictionary for Christmas so you can look up words like "justify" before you spew vitriol on the web.

            1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

              Offering excuses is saying it was justified. People with higher than a third grade reading level would get that.
              Stop with your bullshit sophistry.

              1. soldiermedic76   7 months ago

                Or in today's parlance, Stop gaslighting.

              2. mtrueman   7 months ago

                It's not offering excuses. It's not justifying. It's providing context. It points out a possible motive for the crime. If the victim had serious gambling debts or was a serial philanderer, that too would provide context that could explain motive and point to possible perpetrators.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

              You can get your own and look up "pedant" while you're at it, whore.

        2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

          Progressives on blue sky are definitely doing so. Even cheering.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

            Liz posted a direct link to that psychotic hag Taylor Lorenz doing so, and somehow Whore_Belle's response is, "Heavens to Betsy, why would you say such things?"

            Same thing when the Marcusian double standards of these lefty vermin are constantly pointed out.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

        https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/12/05/former-wapo-reporter-had-an-unhinged-take-on-the-murder-of-a-health-care-ceo-n2648646

        And while normal people might be horrified by this brazen homicide, the Left has opted to make this about them and their grievances with the healthcare system.

        It’s no wonder why leftists only reside in a bubble since their own kind are the only ones who can tolerate this madness.

        https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/12/05/the-left-cheers-an-assassination-n3797614

        So often the same people who revel in the murder of people they dislike arrogantly expound on "stochastic terrorism" and demand censorship of people with whom they disagree.

        They are budding tyrants, not forces of compassion.

  28. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

    And they say they wonder why people think Democrats hate Americans...

    A few weeks ago:

    Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas set off outrage Wednesday when he told reporters that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) “does not have the funds” to see Americans through the rest of this Atlantic hurricane season — after the agency spent more than $1.4 billion since the fall of 2022 to address the migrant crisis.

    “We are meeting the immediate needs with the money that we have,” Mayorkas said during a press gaggle on Air Force One en route to tour damage from Hurricane Helene in South and North Carolina.

    “We are expecting another hurricane hitting,” he added. “We do not have the funds. FEMA does not have the funds to make it through the season and what — what is imminent.”

    A few days ago:

    Biden announces US to provide over $1B in aid to Africans displaced by historic droughts

    President Biden, while speaking in Angola on Tuesday, announced the U.S. was providing over $1 billion in humanitarian aid to Africans displaced by droughts and food insecurity.

    Yesterday:

    The Biden administration's announcement of an additional $725 million in military aid to Ukraine underscores the United States' commitment to bolstering Ukraine's defense amid its ongoing conflict with Russia.

    This latest package, which follows a $275 million aid commitment just weeks prior, includes advanced weaponry such as Stinger missiles, High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) ammunition, drones, and small arms.

    The move represents a significant escalation in support as President Biden's term nears its conclusion, coinciding with heightened tensions and evolving policy stances.

    1. Don’t. Get. Eliminated. (formerly R Mac)   7 months ago

      Traitors.

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   7 months ago

      They are post nationalist globalists who think that they are the lords of the earth. As global imperators, the Africans displaced by historic droughts are just as important to them as hillbilly North Carolinians living in tents. Where's your compassion, bro?

      That's also why Venezuelan gang members who snuck into the country should get $2k a month, plus free food, housing and internet, while Hawaiians displaced by wildfires get a cheque for $450 and a fire sale purchase offer from Oprah for what's left of their land. And it doesn't matter whose taxes are paying for it all or who lived where. That's their money now, not yours.

  29. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

    I regularly chastise progressives for changing common definitions of words, but the right seems to be making up new grammar now?

    WTF is this supposed to mean?

    "Newsom Acts Legislators To For Legal Defense Fund"

    https://civildeadline.com/newsom-acts-legislators-to-for-legal-defense-fund

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

      Harris has a new job?

    2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

      The old spelling was “ax”.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   7 months ago

        Only in front of a "ghetto" crowd.

    3. mad.casual   7 months ago

      Correction: "Newsom Act's Legislator's To For Voter Defense Fund In History"

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

        Much better!

    4. Super Scary   7 months ago

      "Trump’s critique—punctuated by his caustic nickname “Governor Gavin Newscum”"

      He's back.

  30. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 months ago

    Someone in the crooked Joe admin got to CBS:
    "Reporter Catherine Herridge says CBS interfered with Hunter Biden story"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI1Hf6BzTI

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

      Her story of CBS killing a story about Joe dropping n bombs in emails and texts is very interesting.

      1. Marshal   7 months ago

        I think it's Hunter with the N bombs, and Joe using 6 or 8 different email addresses.

        1. markm23   7 months ago

          If Hunter is dropping the N bombs, we know who raised him. Joe had to learn not to say that word to keep the support of Democrats after 1972, but I'm sure he still thought it, and that's what Hunter learned.

  31. Rick James   7 months ago

    Some people have taken to celebrating this theoretical vigilantism, like prominent journalist Taylor Lorenz, who in few words has suggested that more CEOs be gone after due to their perceived misdeeds.

    Hey Liz, Taylor is officially unemployed and looking... Nick can finally hire her as a Tech reporter for Reason.

    1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

      God no, please, for the love of God, no fucking way.

      1. Rick James   7 months ago

        Oh yes, Nick kind of has a 'thing' for Taylor.

        1. Dillinger   7 months ago

          I will webathon upon promise of no Taylor.

        2. shadydave   7 months ago

          That's beyond embarrassing

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

        TayTay and Masnick - Reason Ask Tech Gurus Anything podcast coming soon.

    2. damikesc   7 months ago

      Would ENB let them overlook Mike Masnick for such a position?

  32. Rick James   7 months ago

    "We do not believe it's every cell phone in the country, but we believe it's potentially a large number of individuals that the Chinese government was focused on."

    Hey man, why did the federal government like ban Huawei phones? That's like a total bummer head trip.

  33. CE   7 months ago

    So calling for a hit on a company CEO on a public website it okay, but putting cross-hairs on a voting district you want to win means you wanted your opponent assassinated?

    The healthcare cost and (lack of) coverage theories seem to be popular, but Thompson was also being sued for insider trading by a pension fund, for selling company stock without disclosing a pending antitrust investigation by the "Justice" Department. Disgruntled customers don't normally hire hitmen.

    https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/lawsuit-against-murdered-ceo

    1. Dillinger   7 months ago

      his approach said Weekend Warrior more than hitman. mho

      1. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        Maybe being a hitman is just a side hustle or hobby for the guy? Kind of like the Uber or Lyft of hitmen.

        1. Dillinger   7 months ago

          reportedly, teenagers in Sweden are excelling at hitman

      2. mad.casual   7 months ago

        Yeah. No video and just shell casings with inscriptions sounds more hitman/methodical killer.

        Knowing where the cameras are, waiting for the victim to walk in frame, and then stepping into frame very much more says "Activist or true believer who wants to get caught."

        1. Dillinger   7 months ago

          his entire face on video agrees with you

  34. Incunabulum   7 months ago

    >like prominent journalist Taylor Lorenz

    Is she a journalist though? Or is this a semantics thing where 'journalist' means something different from 'reporter'? Because she's not a reporter, she's a hypochondriac who doxxes people as a hobby.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

      Journalist - Someone who reports on what they saw on social media.

    2. Dillinger   7 months ago

      prominent completely incorrect as well.

    3. Minadin   7 months ago

      What they meant to say is 'former reporter mostly known for doxxing LibsofTikTok and still wearing a face diaper as 2025 approaches'.

  35. Use the Schwartz   7 months ago

    "CEOs like Thompson aren't cartoon villains twisting their mustaches."

    No, they are worse. Much, much, worse. They have legitimized and mainstreamed their evil. They are sharks in a goldfish tank. The conflation of general "CEO's" with CEO's of Insurance Companies is the same as immigrants and illegal immigrants. It is inexplicably naïve and borderline disingenuous. I'M A CEO FFS!

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

      Let me guess. Your solution is socialism.

      1. Use the Schwartz   7 months ago

        What a stupid and facile reply.

        No my solution is a complete overhaul of the how insurance works in this country. The current "system" isn't remotely libertarian in any aspect, it is also not compatible with any free market concepts to which I adhere.

        Maybe it makes sense to lickspittle sycophants of the 1% - I'll leave it to you to speak to that.

        1. DesigNate   7 months ago

          Make Insurance Insurance Again?

        2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

          How dare you? Obama fixed our healthcare system.

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   7 months ago

            If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Maybe. But you can't afford your doctor so it really doesn't matter.

        3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

          And is your complete overhaul socialism?

          In an actual market you'll still contend with what you complained about in your first post.

          Or is this one of those tear everything down and magically something better appears?

          I'm all for the market solution. But the same motivations exist in a more free market approach as here. You're not going to have magically kind non profit motivated CEOs.

          So please explain your magic solution. Easy to complain. Not easy to propose something workable.

          By the way your lickspittle of the 1% makes me think even more strongly your solution is socialism. Lol.

          1. Use the Schwartz   7 months ago

            So please explain your magic solution. Easy to complain. Not easy to propose something workable.

            This reply is also stupid and facile, I don't want to dig through all your shit here, but are all your comments like this?

            1. I don't have to provide to you a "workable solution," all I have to do in order to support my original comment is to identify a problem.

            2. "Easy to complain." Yes, you are correct, and?

            3. The MAIN gist of my original comment is the conflation of the general term "CEO" and CEO of an insurance company, which you seem to have ignored in a stupid and facile manner. A CEO (like me) that owns his own MFG company, and a CEO that shafts the sick via gov't sanctioned bureaucratic shenanigans are not the same.

            4. Fuck off with your nonsense Jesse Gray Box.

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

              Oh no. You can't answer simple questions around your own arguments so you run away. Maybe Blue Sky is a better forum for you lol.

              I do enjoy your claim of being a CEO. You're motivated by profit correct? You try to save costs correct? You execute contracts as written correct? Or do you take active losses on all your contracts?

              Nobody believes you dumbass. Your fake appeal to self authority makes me think even more you're a socialist.

              Defend your argument. Why can none of you ever do that? Even in a full free market there is nothing stopping claim denials against a contract. There is nothing stopping people from entering group plans. These still exist. Your complaints still exist.

              They aren't running a fucking charity. There are charitable health groups out there. They deny people when they don't have the money.

              Reality is a nasty place. Your beliefs of unicorns doesn't change that face.

              Maybe try educating yourself OK a topic before posting an opinion? Healthcare isn't free. It isnt a right. Access is, but you may have to pay for utilization. It is a limited resource.

              So fuck off you anti capitalist woke socialist dumbfuck.

  36. BioBehavioral_View   7 months ago

    A Righteous Wrong?

    The assassination of the CEO for United HealthCare symbolizes a righteous, widespread anger among the population. Unquestionably, the perpetrator intended to send a message but what message? Anger about denial of payment? Anger about premium? Anger about denial of coverage?

    Whatever the case, the CEO is a true villain participating in the destruction of real medical care by real physicians. It is that participation that should make every victim of a corrupt system of medical delivery seething with anger.

    This commentator is a licensed Medical Doctor. His associates and he designed clinical programs that benefitted tens of thousands of patients. He has numerous publications in peer-reviewed journals attesting to that success.

    https://www.nationonfire.com/ .

    Over the years, he has watched the destruction of medical delivery in these United States. The destruction was codified in the use of language. Medicine became healthcare. Physicians became providers. Real medical insurance was perverted into plans that falsely still carried the name insurance.

    In 1994, this commentator published a book containing a scientifically revised system of medical delivery. Unsolicited, the book was nominated for two national awards by the American Risk & Insurance Association. The plan is contained in a subsequent novel entitled Retribution Fever.

    “But if thought corrupts language, language also can corrupt thought.” -George Orwell (1903-1950)

    So, you're enraged about the "healthcare" that you are receiving from Doctor Nurse. Other than complain, what are you going to do about it? Shoot every villainous CEO in the corrupt industry dominated by self-serving governmental bureaucrats and greedy corporate profiteers?

    Before doing so, perhaps you might peruse the plan in the novel then, if you find it appealing, demand your congressman implement legislation reflecting that which you read. Act! Don't just react.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

      The state of medical treatment in this country is based off of the fallacious belief that there's an unlimited pool of money to pay for every little thing (not surprisingly, a common belief that became popular right around the time the marxists started infiltrating western institutions 100 years ago). The boogeyman of "CEO pay" is invoked whenever discussion on these costs comes up, while the massive pay demands of the medical industry itself are never explored in detail.

      I've mentioned this before, but when our kids were born, the hospital charged insurance $25,000 for the delivery and two nights in a private room. 60 years ago, that was about $1,000, inflation-adjusted. Insurance paid about $17,000 of that charge and disallowed the rest. So what was the actual cost?

      The nation's skyrocketing obesity rates means that those same doctors are treating multiple instances of obesity-related health problems, with heart disease leading the way in annual deaths and diabetes in the top 5, to say nothing of all the associated treatments up to the point the fatties finally waddle to the great buffet in the sky. Meanwhile, rad-left political activists masquerading as medical doctors have openly admitted that the transgender social contagion has been a gold mine for them financially, because it creates life-long medical patients for surgeries, hormones, pharmaceuticals, and psychological treatments.

      And "socialized medicine" is hardly a panacea, as the delta between revenues and outlays for the Medicare/Medicaid combo is almost solely the cost of our national deficit, and has been for decades, while "free" programs are starting to encourage assisted suicide so they aren't burdening the system with perpetual healthcare treatments.

      It's all based on the belief that this shit is and should be "free," despite the real and manufactured costs associated with it.

      1. Use the Schwartz   7 months ago

        Amen.

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

        My dad has the receipt from when I was born in 1964. I was premature and in an incubator for a few weeks. $250.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

          This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. That's about $2500 in today's dollars.

          I wish I could remember the website where I saw this (it's probably long gone at this point), but the guy posted a flyer from the San Bernardino hospital in the early 60s that listed the prices for births, including the room. It was around $25 for the delivery and $35 a night for the private room, or you could get one with roommates for $25.

        2. Quicktown Brix   7 months ago

          Your dad never gave up hope for a refund, eh?

          1. Dillinger   7 months ago

            mine would be all "you see how much I coulda saved by leaving you there?"

          2. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

            You need the receipt for warranty work.

          3. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

            He would demand the refund comes with interest.

      3. ITL (Factio Democratica delenda est)   7 months ago

        +1

        There’s a hell of a lot of bloat and waste in the medical industry. They also usually have enough administrative staff to make a college blush.

      4. TrickyVic (old school)   7 months ago

        NYS passed universal health care in the house long ago but the senate wouldn't pick it up because the cost of the one piece of legislation was equal to the entire state's budget. Trying to double your tax revenues when people are leaving the state over taxes is not seen as a good idea by democrats either.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

          This is why I tell lefties complaining about "the rich" that they're a bunch of lazy fucks. Even "the working class" in Europe pay at least half of their income in taxes for those programs. American socialists don't want to pay that, they want everyone making $1 more than them and up to pay it.

      5. Minadin   7 months ago

        "The boogeyman of "CEO pay" . . ."

        In this case, it's not even like the guy was getting absurd compensation, either. He made like $10m annually running a company with revenue in the multiple billions.

      6. JFree   7 months ago

        And "socialized medicine" is hardly a panacea, as the delta between revenues and outlays for the Medicare/Medicaid combo is almost solely the cost of our national deficit,

        That is not socialized medicine. What we have in the US is charity medicine administered by govt. We choose to 'cover' only the people who can and will NEVER be covered by any private market - the elderly, the terminal, the disabled, the indigent, children, etc. Paid for by taxes and cost-shifting rather than premiums. Libertarians themselves admit that 'the market' will never cover this as they invoke charitywhile studiously ignoring how the charity system worked before govt got involved. But this is all ignoring what reality is and instead invoking magic - which is pretty normal for libertarians.

        We spend as much (as % of income) via government on charity medical - as every other country spends on ALL medical for everyone. Their systems are generally socialized as they cover everyone not merely charity demographics.

        The difference is that we deliberately choose not to talk about anything. Which we would have to do if anyone were to argue 'socializing' anything. So we also don't and can't control costs. We pretend that those charity cases are merely a minor increment to the core of our medical system. When in fact those charity demographics are pretty much the entirety of medical specialists which is increasingly the entirety of medical care in the US. Just go into a hospital and take a guess what the average patient age is. All the specialists who focus on hospitals don't exist without those patient demographics being covered.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

          I love how you home in on the one cherry to spaz out about charity medical care (which I didn't even mention) while ignoring everything else.

          Whether we "chose" to carry out this program or not is immaterial to the fact that most of it isn't actually funded by anything but debt issuance.

    2. mtrueman   7 months ago

      "Medicine became healthcare. "

      It's worse. Health insurance became healthcare. Untied Healthcare is actually an insurance firm.

    3. Rick James   7 months ago

      The assassination of the CEO for United HealthCare symbolizes a righteous, widespread anger among the population. Unquestionably, the perpetrator intended to send a message but what message? Anger about denial of payment? Anger about premium? Anger about denial of coverage?

      Either that, or it's his jilted boyfriend.

      1. markm23   7 months ago

        Or his wife or child got tired of waiting for their inheritance, hired a hitman, and suggested the messages as a smokescreen. Or he's been sleeping with someone else's wife - or husband - and the messages are a smokescreen.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

      "real medical care by real physicians"

      Real physicians are certainly capable of withdrawing from insurance networks, and providing real medical care defined by fee for service schedules to their patients and allowing their patients to choose pay for those services or not utilize the services provided.

  37. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>Hit on a CEO

    they all lead with "I'm CEO of ..." barf

    1. Ajsloss   7 months ago

      That's more of a CEO hitting on someone else.

      If you want to hit on a CEO, you should probably go with something like, "You're a CEO? I'd like you to see my O."

      1. Dillinger   7 months ago

        yes, but was playing it out like I do the hitting-on from the chick side. I'd be supertramp if I was femme

  38. Dillinger   7 months ago

    hey after listening to Mike Benz on Rogan I can see why NYT gets the royal treatment around these parts.

  39. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >> "John Wick-meets-Erin Brockovich" murder

    no, it's John Q

  40. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>"And people wonder why we want these executives dead" she wrote yesterday on the same site.

    1. nobody cares about Taylor Lorenz
    2. she is un-cite-able after this ^^

  41. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>... wrote journalist Ken Klippenstein on the platform Bluesky, which appears to mostly be for people who've exited X in a huff.

    index-fingered phone-blogger Ken Klippenstein on Bluesky which is for censors and slaves.

  42. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>A large number of Americans' metadata has been stolen in the sweeping cyberespionage campaign carried out by a Chinese hacking group

    difficult to believe the metadata was protected before whatever this was. more difficult to believe the international markers placed before the hacking groups mean anything. Chinese, Iranian, Albanian lol

  43. Dillinger   7 months ago

    >>This type of denial of coverage happens to a not-insignificant number of claims

    never get hit by another driver either.

  44. Longtobefree   7 months ago

    "The jokes about the United CEO aren't really about him; they're about the rapacious health care system he personified and which Americans feel deep pain and humiliation about."

    The jokes about the United CEO aren't really about him; they're about the rapacious health care system dictated by the federal government and which Americans feel deep pain and humiliation about.

    1. mtrueman   7 months ago

      Why would anyone pay a CEO over 10M each and every year if it's really the federal government calling the shots? I don't believe you've thought this through.

      1. I, Woodchipper   7 months ago

        state and federal government absolutely call the shots on health insurance. The literally are told exactly what language they can have in their plans, what the plans can cover or NOT cover, and what prices they can charge for the plans. Health "insurance" is essentially a government program that funnels profits to the companies.

        1. Longtobefree   7 months ago

          More specifically, it is pre-paid medical care mixed in with a small amount of actual health insurance.
          Insurance is a way for a group to spread an economic risk of an UN-expected event to large for one individual over a large group where the risk becomes tolerable. What we call health insurance is not that.
          Imagine the cost of car insurance if the federal government declared that to protect the environment, car insurance had to cover tune ups, and for safety reasons it had to cover brake replacement and wiper blades. Is it at all possible that car insurance rates would go up?

        2. mtrueman   7 months ago

          "state and federal government absolutely call the shots on health insurance."

          That must be why they pay their CEO such a paltry salary. 10M? It's a wonder anyone would stoop so low to accept.

          1. Don't look at me!   7 months ago

            It’s way less than George Clooney makes per movie.

          2. DesigNate   7 months ago

            10million salary when the company made 218Billion is indeed paltry.

            1. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

              "made 218Billion"

              I just checked the 3rd quarter 10Q form. Revenues were $100.820B, operating costs were $92.112B. Total Net Earnings after taxes and other losses, $6.258B.

              The cumulative 9-months numbers were $299.471B, $274.957B and Net Earnings of $9.458.

              Profit margin of about 3.16%

              Always useful to keep in mind the different between revenues and profits and profit margins...

              Forbes: UnitedHealth Group Profits Hit $22 Billion In 2023

              UnitedHealth Group reported $22 billion in 2023 profits including $5.5 billion in the fourth quarter as its portfolio of health insurance and provider services grew by double-digit percentages.

              At UnitedHealthcare, in particular, full-year revenue grew nearly 13% to $281.4 billion as the company grew its customers served in its health plans by more than 1 million people last year to 52.7 million.

              1. DesigNate   7 months ago

                Not saying he “deserved” any more or less, just thought misconstrueman’s point was stupid when you compared it to total revenue.

  45. MWAocdoc   7 months ago

    Although the article pays lip service to the "socialism isn't any better" narrative; and the article, intentionally or unintentionally, feeds the "evil corporation" narrative; left out of the debate here is that Medicare has been gradually and relentlessly destroying the American private healthcare sector in the first place. First small, private, local provider practices were decimated by collectivization of the billing systems, herding the vast majority of doctors into employee positions with larger and larger corporate practices. Then, in the name of "cutting costs" they criminalized upcoding which has caused, if anything, massive down-coding in response, with huge employment opportunities for corporate billing coder careers and resulting in increasing time pressure on appointments per day and longer and longer waits for appointments. If you think that the private health insurance denial system is bad, the Medicare reimbursement process is evil on a truly epic scale!

    1. mtrueman   7 months ago

      "and relentlessly destroying the American private healthcare sector in the first place. "

      According to Wolfe, the CEO of United Healthcare was making $US10,200,000 a year. That's exactly the kind of relentless destruction I could do with.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

        Once again:

        The state of medical treatment in this country is based off of the fallacious belief that there's an unlimited pool of money to pay for every little thing (not surprisingly, a common belief that became popular right around the time the marxists started infiltrating western institutions 100 years ago). The boogeyman of "CEO pay" is invoked whenever discussion on these costs comes up, while the massive pay demands of the medical industry itself are never explored in detail.

        1. mtrueman   7 months ago

          According to Wolfe, United Healthcare is raking in $281B a year. That's exactly the kind of relentless destruction I could do with,

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   7 months ago

            Once again:

            The state of medical treatment in this country is based off of the fallacious belief that there's an unlimited pool of money to pay for every little thing (not surprisingly, a common belief that became popular right around the time the marxists started infiltrating western institutions 100 years ago). The boogeyman of "CEO pay" is invoked whenever discussion on these costs comes up, while the massive pay demands of the medical industry itself are never explored in detail.

      2. I, Woodchipper   7 months ago

        10 mil isnt a very high salary for a CEO of a company that size.

        1. mtrueman   7 months ago

          I feel his pain.

      3. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

        That's exactly the kind of relentless destruction I could do with.

        LOL, could you imagine a company that would hire trueman as CEO? Apply to Ben and Jerry's maybe.

        1. mtrueman   7 months ago

          I'd do it for 9M. Peanuts.

        2. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   7 months ago

          They wouldn't hire him unless they needed someone to verify that their ice cream was free of Jews. Maybe they have some ovens he could work in.

          1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   7 months ago

            That would be a redundant position. Ben and Jerry already makes sure of that.

      4. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   7 months ago

        bringing in $281 billion in revenue and paying Thompson $10.2 million in total compensation annually

        Wow, so overpaid.

        How about, fuck you Nazi piece of shit.

        1. mtrueman   7 months ago

          Imagine how many Nazis you could fuck for 10M.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   7 months ago

            You still haven't volunteered as bodyguard/beeper carrier for any Hamas leaders? Think of how that would prioritize decolonozation over identity politics.

  46. DesigNate   7 months ago

    “We do not believe it's every cell phone in the country, but we believe it's potentially a large number of individuals”

    That’s just how the Tik Toks.

    1. Dillinger   7 months ago

      shorter story to poll anyone who believes their data remains theirs.

  47. I, Woodchipper   7 months ago

    so-called "health insurance" is one of the most heavily regulated businesses in America. Companies have very little discretion or control over how to run the business. The level of government micromanagement of their operations, pricing, offerings, and everything else they do is Soviet level.

    If you hate insurance companies, you hate the government's mandates and control over insurance companies.

    1. I, Woodchipper   7 months ago

      Every single health insurance regulation should be removed. A true free market in health insurance would solve the mess. Right now it is a disaster of the government's making.

      1. JeremyR   7 months ago

        Yeah, but the health insurance companies don't want a free market. Or do the hedge funds who own them.

        But beyond that, without drug legalization, patent reform, FDA reform, and eliminating medical licensing requirements you also won't have a free market in medicine.

        1. Marshal   7 months ago

          but the health insurance companies don't want a free market. Or do the hedge funds who own them.

          Also true, both sides prefer fascism or "public-private partnership" as it has been rebranded.

    2. Mickey Rat   7 months ago

      If the government ran health care directly, as in the UK, then the bureaucrat in charge would be defended to the hilt for making denial of care rationing decisions by the same people who are not quite condemning this murder. They simply despise private enterprise.

      1. Marshal   7 months ago

        Right. Canada pushes people to commit suicide rather than pay for their healthcare. The UK caps the number of various surgeries and specialist treatments, and if you die before they get to you thems the breaks.

        Once the money spent starts coming out of pockets the left controls the same will happen here. Of course first they will use the expenses to increase taxes and therefore the amount of our economy they directly control. Then they will flip sides to "reasonable" cost control measures.

        1. JFree   7 months ago

          And yet - life expectancy in Canada and UK is 2-3 years higher than the US. The entire difference in life expectancy is because low income in the US - who don't have much access to healthcare here but do in UK/Canada - die about 3 years earlier than average in the US - or 5-6 years earlier than in Canada/UK.

          So the effect on life expectancy between the three is NOT 'suicide v medical' in Canada or ration lines in UK. It is poor people in the US. Canada certainly restricts a private medical market for the non-poor - but nothing stops them from coming to the US for medical. UK has a significant private market so if you get in some long line, you bypass it by going private.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

            Well, Canada's population is far more homogenous that the US, and does not include some 20M newcomers who spent their formative years in 3rd world shitholes.

            Call us when Canadians stop medial tourism in the US to get procedures they cannot get in Canada.

            https://globalnews.ca/news/10322678/health-care-canada-us-ipsos-poll/

            Would you cross the border for health care? 42% Canadians say yes in poll

            And 38 per cent of respondents said they would travel to the U.S. and personally pay for emergency care (up nine points from a year ago).

            1. JFree   7 months ago

              22% of Canadians are foreign-born. That's far higher than the US (14%). The three most common countries of origin are India, Philippines, China

              Your emphasis on having the US as a safety valve for Canada is just nonsense. Canada is the ONLY country that doesn't have a private sector for medical. Repeat - ONLY. Socialized medical systems do not require the elimination of a private system. Nor - except kind of in the case of Canada - do they mandate a monopoly on providing health care. Which let me repeat - ONLY CANADA. Which most likely means that Canada did so under unique circumstances - to avoid Canada becoming the safety valve for Americans seeking cheaper medical care which might become subsidized by Canada.

              So what if Canadians are crossing to the US for medical? They are paying for it - the US taxpayer isn't.

          2. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

            The solution to these disparities in the US is to stop subsidizing the reproduction of unmarried indigent women. We are practicing dysgenics by deliberately breeding an underclass with a dysfunctional culture that propagates pathologies.

            1. JFree   7 months ago

              Ok. So you're saying you're just a bigot.

              Has NOTHING to do with why low income Americans die quite soon after they hit Medicare age. When they spent much of their careers not having access to health care beyond an ER.

              1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

                Where you start from has EVERYTHING to do with where your health ends up when you're old, and how you take care of yourself throughout life.

                1. JFree   7 months ago

                  Well the US spent most of its history NOT believing that you are stuck in the condition in which you are born. It's silly to believe in Horatio Alger stories (eg anyone can succeed and live their dreams with just a bit of hard work) but the entire purpose of education and early health is so that people can have opportunities that would never have been available to them based solely on the circumstances of their birth.

                  1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

                    I was talking about reality, not fictional stories.

                  2. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

                    the entire purpose of education and early health is so that people can have opportunities

                    Which is why we should stop subsidizing the reproduction of indigent unmarried women, who are unlikely to provide healthy lives and good education to their children.

          3. Marshal   7 months ago

            And yet - life expectancy in Canada and UK is 2-3 years higher than the US. The entire difference in life expectancy is because low income in the US - who don't have much access to healthcare here but do in UK/Canada - die about 3 years earlier than average in the US - or 5-6 years earlier than in Canada/UK.

            This is nonsense. Our lower life expectancy is mostly due to our larger scale drug pathology which leads to many deaths of the young and very young which disproportionately impacts life expectancy. The drug pathology not only drives deaths directly through ODs and long term health degradation, but also drives our worse performance in newborn deaths and homicides.

            1. JFree   7 months ago

              That isn't the real explanation though it obviously has an effect.

              a 2015 study by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) found that for men born in 1930, individuals in the highest income quintile (top 20%) could expect to live 5.1 years longer at age 50 than men in the lowest income quintile. This gap has increased significantly over time. Among men born in 1960, those in the top income quintile could expect to live 12.7 years longer at age 50 than men in the bottom income quintile.

              This is a huge deal for both Social Security and esp Medicare/Medicaid (much of Medicaid is nursing home care) since the life expectancy by income disparity is getting much much wider over time. Those programs are increasing becoming subsidized entitlements for the wealthier half of the elderly who can expect to live into their late-80's now.

              Young adults killed in drive byes or OD's are just not relevant to a Medicare/Social Security discussion. Life expectancy - at age 50 - weeds that all out. In particular it also allows gathering of actual income quintile stuff rather than some bs projection or neighborhood stuff

              1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

                Life expectancy - at age 50 - weeds that all out.

                No, it doesn't. Men who have been living less healthy lives up to age 50 are going to have less time ahead of them. The divergence starts at gestation.

                1. JFree   7 months ago

                  The difference doesn't start at gestation. The divergence has grown massively over those two cohorts - one born in 1930 (turning 50 in 1980) and one born in 1960 (turning 50 in 2010). The divergence has occurred from 1980 (when the older cohort turned 50 and the younger turned 20) to today. The divergence by income has only occurred in the US - not countries with 'socialized' health. The difference is entirely that here in the US, both of those cohorts receive medical coverage via:
                  employers and/or self from age 20 or so to roughly age 65.
                  Medicare over age 65.

                  BOTH of those have contributed mightily to the divergence of life expectancy by income quintile. Employers have, since 1980, really gutted medical insurance - and job security - at the bottom of the ladder. Medical costs have risen far faster than the lowest income levels and cost shifting means that financial instability is also being transferred to them. They don't do preventive care because they have annual contracts/enrollments and preventive doesn't produce positive results in one year. THAT is why it becomes very obvious that by age 50 - the low income quintiles are in really bad health. From 50-65, they will all deal with age discrimination and job insecurity - just when chronic conditions become more prevalent. Employers didn't deal with preventive early for the low income and they sure don't like to start paying for early chronic interventions when it is still reasonably cheap/reversible. Employers FIND reasons to shitcan that demographic. That dynamic is the main difference between the US and every one else.

                  Over age 65, Medicare is available for everyone. But by then, the low income are already in bad health. Medicare is structured exactly like the crappy employer system. Annual enrollments that eliminate preventive care (which is too late by then anyway). Very little managed care - so the educated do well and the high income can afford to get multiple opinions and do what they want. With very little management of costs or even structuring of a medical system for the elderly - on behalf of retirees by govt. It's really a crappy socialized system which is why no other country emulates it.

                  1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

                    You're suffering from the delusion that medical care is the primary determinant of health. That delusion is leading to your nonsensical interpretation of the data.

        2. JFree   7 months ago

          Oh - and re pressuring to commit suicide rather than pay for coverage.

          That is maybe even more likely in the US. IDK for sure but I do know of examples. The last two years of life in the US cost 50% of one's lifetime medical expenses. Roughly $200,000 on average but those can easily hit $400,000+. If a family is on the hook for a significant portion of that - there is a ton of family pressure (and self-pressure) to 'let go' before the inheritance is just handed over to doctors.

          I don't think socialized systems do a very good job explaining that sort of rationing - though they WILL make that decision. Nor do we talk about it - or make the decision.

  48. Rick James   7 months ago

    I notice the inclusion of bluesky tweets. My favorite thing about Bluesky? It's the tattletale platform. Literally. When Twitter via Elon basically restored a semblance of free speech to twitter and cut the 'trust and safety' team, Bluesky became the place where all the censorious tattletales now reside. As a result? Yeah...

    Bluesky moves deeper into moderation hell.After days of explosive growth on the platform, the Bluesky Safety team posted Friday that it received 42,000 moderation reports in the preceding 24 hours (versus 360,000 in all of 2023).
    The team added that it’s working to bring on new members and asks users to help by reporting troll, spam, and scam accounts. Bluesky has also implemented email verification for new signups.

    In the past 24 hours, we have received more than 42,000 reports (an all-time high for one day). We’re receiving about 3,000 reports/hour. To put that into context, in all of 2023, we received 360k reports.

    We’re triaging this large queue so the most harmful content such as CSAM is removed quickly.

    1. mad.casual   7 months ago

      Weird. I'd bet even money no newspaper has ever got 40,000 letters to the editor asking them to take down a dead-tree editorial that they knowingly published, total, ever. Parlay the bet to even money on the 360K in a year at your leisure.

      It's almost like, if you pass a law on the premise that and/or essentially composed of words mean nothing, that on its face violates the 1A, that protects the words on the internet from any sort of responsibility from anyone, anywhere on the whims of Congress, you can take potentially the greatest invention mankind has ever developed, like the printing press, and practically force people to use it like a men's room wall.

      Like there are some sort of underlying rules or ideas about information transfer and meaning and value that I can't quite put my finger on.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   7 months ago

      A similar take...

      https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/11/22/bluesky-is-hell-on-earth/

      o, how are things over the wall, in the place where the skies are blue? Well, the sudden surge of users on Bluesky (though we must remember that X is also reporting all-time usage highs) hasn’t quite created the promised paradise. It turns out that snitchers love to snitch, wherever they go. Simple statements of fact like ‘sex is not a spectrum’ are, on Bluesky, swiftly labelled with the single warning word: ‘Intolerance.’ Intolerance of what, exactly? Delusion?

      The sofa Stasi are certainly busy over there. ‘In the past 24 hours’, the Bluesky safety team posted last week, ‘we have received more than 42,000 reports (an all-time high for one day). We’re receiving about 3,000 reports [per] hour. To put that into context, in all of 2023, we received 360,000 reports.’ Then, in marvellously pompous language, they added: ‘We’re triaging this large queue so the most harmful content such as CSAM [child sexual abuse material] is removed quickly.’

      What a great advert for your own site – the place is full of informers and child molesters.

    3. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

      the most harmful content such as CSAM

      Not a big surprise that Lefty Twitter would be plagued with kiddie porn.

  49. middlefinger   7 months ago

    Leftists killing Kulaks. Same with attacks on Jews. Not sure this guys wealth is in Bernie Sanders territory? Sanders movement in the socialist revolution means they’ll let him own stuff till he dies. Sanders kids, not so much.

  50. JFree   7 months ago

    That is an astonishing difference in claim denial between Kaiser and UNH.

    Kaiser is known for having the strictest set of hoops that people have to jump through in order to use their highly and overtly managed care network. Their doctors are salaried - not fee-for-service. They own the hospitals in their network. Everything about the way they ration care through their business model is well known. They also generally have the lowest costs in employer plans of maybe $450/month.

    UNH like many of the employer based plans is known for cherry picking the risk pool. Targeting employers with a young population so the costs are low. Marketing free gym memberships in order to get the youngest of those employees. Apparently denying lots of claims too. With apparently the highest costs in employer plans of $525/month - higher even than the Blues who tend to have employers with older employees.

    1. Lester75   7 months ago

      I have a UNH plan from work. All this is true.

  51. TommyInIdaho   7 months ago

    When a hit is cheaper than an employee’s golden parachute…

    1. Vernon Depner   7 months ago

      How much does a pro hit go for these days? I doubt if it's even six figures.

      1. Liberty_Belle   7 months ago

        FBI is hiring 20 year old kitchen workers at a pretty low rate, if you don't mind amateurs.

  52. Kyfho Myoba   7 months ago

    Sadly, I'm not surprised at the amount of straw-manning and no-true-scotsman fallacies being bandied about on various forums (including this one) on the shooting death of UHC CEO Brian Thompson. I refuse to call it a murder. Many here will call me a com-tard leftist for my position, but let's look at some facts. UCH under and AT Thompsons direction almost TRIPLED its rate of denying claims, to the highest in the industry: 32%. He even rationed anaesthesia. (?!?! You should give this some long and hard thought before replying) Other CEOs - Kim Keck of Anthem - did so as well but changed her mind the day after the shooting. (shocked face!!) UHC used an AI that had a reversal rate of 98%.

    I understand that the practice of medicine is incredibly socialized - I've been a card carrying libertarian and Libertarian Rothbardian/Hoppean ancap for coming up on 50 years. I know how markets work and how collectivism doesn't in all the obscure, arcane ways. Bottom line: the people cheering the execution of Thompson are pretty much evenly split between left and right - I know, I read the comments in the various forums and can tell by their reasoning where they lie. Actually, on second thought, they're more right leaning. I see very few with general non-specific entitlement reasons, more of "they paid their premiums, and now the insurance doesn't want to pay" kinds of arguments. I, myself, have experienced this up close with 2 car accidents I was involved in as a passenger. The phrase from the shell casings is from a book "Delay Deny Defend" which describes the lengths that insurance companies will go to to evade paying claims while staying within the letter of the statute, while flipping the bird at the spirit.

    Any way you slice it, Thompson defrauded and murdered his customers when they were most vulnerable.

    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.” Fredric Bastiat

    Every process that Civilization developed for reducing violence in society has been weaponized by these companies against their customers, perfected by UHC and Thompson, and been subverted into an organ of oppression. Voting doesn't work. Protesting doesn't work. Courts don't work. Policing doesn't work. People are more than walking wallets, productivity percentages in excel, tax donkeys, or front line meat for the latest world building exercise for the organs of the Deep State.

    "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design (CONSPRACY THEORIST!!!!) to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

    There is only one box (soap, ballot, jury, cartridge) left of the American experiment and I predict you will see such acts with increasing frequency. Rebellion is my fucking heritage. Is it yours?

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