What's Happening in South Korea?
Plus: Massive COVID report finally released, Social Security's union, and more...

Martial law: South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law on Tuesday, claiming it was necessary to protect the homeland from "anti-state forces" including North Korean sympathizers. After a night of protests, the decree was rescinded merely six hours after it had gone into effect. Now, the country's opposition parties are attempting to impeach the president (which requires a two-thirds majority, something they can have if several members of Yoon's own party break from supporting him), with several prominent leaders accusing him of treason.
When the order was first announced, Yoon appointed Gen. Park An-su martial law commander. The officials banned "all political activities," spreading "fake news," and said that doctors (who had up until then been on strike due to the government's plan to increase the number of students allowed to enter medical schools) would be forced to return to work within 48 hours. "All news media and publications are under the control of martial law command," Park said.
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It is not altogether shocking that Yoon did this. He won a close election in 2022, and has been seen as a marked departure from his progressive predecessor. Following his ascension, Yoon "turn[ed] to lawsuits, state regulators and criminal investigations to clamp down on speech that he called disinformation, efforts that were largely aimed at news organizations," reports The New York Times. "Police and prosecutors repeatedly raided the homes and newsrooms of journalists whom his office has accused of spreading 'fake news.'"
Following the martial law order, "Jo Seung-lae, a Democratic lawmaker, claimed that security camera footage…showed that troops moved in a way that suggested they were trying to arrest [political opponents] and even Han Dong-hoon, the leader of Yoon's People Power Party," reports the Associated Press.
Researcher Natalia Slavney of Korean affairs website 38 North told the Associated Press that this whole saga represents "a serious backslide of democracy" on the heels of a "worrying trend of abuse" since Yoon came into power.
COVID report released: The House's Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic released its report on Monday, with findings that won't shock anyone who has been following this but do lend credence to the idea that vast numbers of government officials lied to us, sacrificing our health and wellbeing for…what, exactly? Control? Saving face?
"The Chinese government, agencies within the U.S. Government, and some members of the international scientific community sought to cover-up facts concerning the origins of the pandemic," reads the report. "Pandemic-era school closures will have enduring impact on generations of America's children and these closures were enabled by groups meant to serve those children." Relief funds were lost to fraud to the tune of $200 billion.
COVID-19, the report concludes, most likely stemmed from a lab leak in Wuhan, China—a lab that had received U.S. taxpayer funding in the form of gain-of-function research dollars, channeled through something called the EcoHealth Alliance, an organization that subawarded National Institutes of Health grants (and received insufficient oversight from the NIH). Lockdowns did "more harm than good" especially to child development, and six-foot social distancing was not "supported by science."
As for the future, the report makes good, decisive recommendations about how pandemics ought to be dealt with: "The Constitution cannot be suspended in times of crisis and restrictions on freedoms sow distrust in public health," for example, and "the prescription cannot be worse than the disease, such as strict and overly broad lockdowns that led to predictable anguish and avoidable consequences." Also, EcoHealth Alliance should never again receive taxpayer dollars and former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo "participated in medical malpractice" when he "publicly covered up the total number of nursing home fatalities in New York." (A beat I covered extensively at the time.)
But not all members of the subcommittee agreed with these conclusions: "Instead of coming together with Democrats to get ahead of future viruses or fortify America's public health infrastructure and workforce, Select Subcommittee Republicans prioritized extreme probes that vilified our nation's scientists and public health officials in an effort to whitewash former President Trump's disastrous COVID-19 response," said House Democrats from the subcommittee in their own report, a response to the main one.
Perhaps this is our horrible, fragmented future: dueling reports from two political parties, offering different explanations for who is responsible for a dark time in our nation's history, unable to agree on who is to blame. Get me off the ride.
The House released their 500+ page report on the COVID-19 pandemic.
key findings:
1. COVID-19 likely originated from a lab-related incident in Wuhan, linked to gain-of-function research funded with U.S. taxpayer dollars.
2. Over $200B in relief funds lost to fraud, with… pic.twitter.com/seQn3VglOh
— Will Manidis (@WillManidis) December 2, 2024
Scenes from New York: At some New York City private high schools, a household income of $400,000 or $600,000 or $800,000 may qualify you for financial aid, finds a New York Times piece. "The average household income of families who applied for tuition assistance at [Upper East Side girls' school] Chapin, where tuition is $65,300, was $229,400," which the associate head of school says "reflects the fact that New York is one of the most expensive cities in the country." Maybe so, but this just looks like a situation where private schools have ratcheted their tuitions up so high that they're convincing the ultrarich to surreptitiously subsidize the pretty rich and very rich. It will be interesting to see if such a model is sustainable, or whether people retvrn to, like, homeschooling and governesses.
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South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law on Tuesday...
Mask up, shelter in place.
It's hard to take seriously when one side is:
on strike due to the government's plan to increase the number of students allowed to enter medical schools.
The horror!
Is it a DEI-type plan though?
Well, the current president is an "evil right-winger", but more seriously, the way that university admission works in Korea is merit-based taken to the extreme. Getting into medical school is nearly impossible and reserved for only the
smartestbest test-takers. Rankings are rigid and pretty strictly enforced. Sort of the opposite extreme of where US colleges are currently. Everyone goes to university, and it's not a big business like here, so it's about prestige for the graduates/alumi. And, it really sets you up for life.And if people have to wait weeks or months for an available doctor, that's a small price to pay to protect doctors' salaries.
They overwork freshmen doctors and pay them very little, especially in rural areas. The ones on strike are demanding more pay and resisting the government creating future cheap doctors.
There’s a reason why healthcare in these countries are affordable. We know this already.
Judge overseeing hunter tax case rebukes Joe in 5 page dismissal.
In the indictment and court filings, Hunter Biden vowed that he became sober by May 2019 but that he still evaded taxes and failed to pay his unpaid taxes from 2016, 2017, and 2018 until well into 2020. Hunter Biden admitted that in 2020, he was still spending “large sums to maintain his lifestyle” while neglecting his outstanding taxes.
Scarsi, who was an appointee of President-elect Donald Trump, also observed that Joe Biden’s claim that his son was “singled out” and “treated differently” implied that many employees in the legal system, including Scarsi and Joe Biden’s own DOJ employees, acted out of line.
“Two federal judges expressly rejected Mr. Biden’s arguments that the Government prosecuted Mr. Biden because of his familial relation to the President,” Scarsi wrote. “And the President’s own Attorney General and Department of Justice personnel oversaw the investigation leading to the charges. In the President’s estimation, this legion of federal civil servants, the undersigned included, are unreasonable people.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/3249189/judge-rebukes-joe-biden-misleading-claims-hunter-tax-case/
Hunter continues to not pay his bills as he owes 300k for his Malibu rental home. Apparently he used SS and changed locks to avoid inspections. Tried to pay the rent with art featuring his own feces.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/hunter-biden-accused-owing-over-300k-unpaid-rent
Senate democrats are now mulling asking Joe to pardon anyone who abused their power for political reasons.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/senate/3249155/biden-preemptive-pardons-trump-political-foes/
Joe's got a busy month of pardons ahead of him.
Brandon should hold a pardon auction, including an old-timey auctioneer from one of the more popular “storage war” shows:
“One hundred one hundred anybody got two two two two going once twice two hundred two hundred blah blah blah…”
He should also hold an auction for the dignity of the mainstream press.
Sure, fractions of pennies are not much money, but the entertainment value alone might make it worth the time.
I'd pay money to see him trying to stumble-mumble his way through such an auction.
James Biden is at the head of the list for a pardon.
Just wait until 2025 when Hunter will fail to pay taxes again? Or can failure to pay back taxes from prior years become a new crime in 2025?
“Tried to pay the rent with art featuring his own feces.”
Wait, what? That part has to be made up, right?…..
Hunter Biden’s Pardon Is All About Protecting Joe Biden, Not His Son
Will today be the day sarcjeff can actually criticize it instead of defend it?
I think everyone knows exactly what sarc will say.
Yep.,,
“BOAF SIDEZ BECAUSE THEY DID IT FIRST SO THAT MAKES IT OK, RIGHT!?!?!?!?!?”
- Sarcasmic
Whatever CNN does.
He’s doing it again re: Rogan below, lol.
Little retard. He can't even watch it himself to make up his own mind. He has to have someone tell him what to believe.
...protect the homeland from "anti-state forces" including North Korean sympathizers.
Lol. I never thought the NorKs' propaganda would work south of the 38th.
To be fair, they maybe confusing Western propaganda with the Nork's. Hard to tell the difference some days.
No one in South Korea wants North Korea style totalitarian communism and Stasi style family monitoring. Many do want to open up the border with the North to reunite families and for business opportunities, which would lift the standard of living north of the border, and hopefully free the North Koreans from their mandatory 10 years of military service. Not to mention loosening the grip of the madman in charge.
I suspect the right wing martial law guy wants to maintain NK as the bogeyman they are, to help hang on to power and boost their own military industrial complex. And to shut down the opposition party to avoid the corruption investigation against his wife.
...vast numbers of government officials lied to us, sacrificing our health and wellbeing for…what, exactly?
An even more potent Trump second term?
The little blue book “Covid 19, The Great Reset”
I know, I know- - the book is still for sale on Amazon, but a group of EcONoMiSTs with a central plan for western civilization, through a virus and climate rationing, is a far right wing fascist conspiracy theory
Surprising nobody, jeffsarcs immigration system is failing everywhere.
Foreign criminals who avoided deportation committed more than 10,000 offences in a year
A quarter of offenders from overseas went on to reoffend in UK after being released from jail and remaining in the country
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/02/foreign-criminals-deportation-reoffend-ministry-justice/
Stabbed by an Islamist, now silenced by the state
A victim of the Mannheim terror attack in Germany has now been convicted of anti-Islam hate speech.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/12/04/stabbed-by-an-islamist-now-silenced-by-the-state/
It seems German elites have responded by trying to clamp down on criticism of Islam. This determination to censor Islam’s critics, and therefore suppress the populist surge, was reflected in the mainstream media’s coverage of the Mannheim terror attacks. They largely refused to characterise Stürzenberger as any sort of victim, despite the severity of his injuries. One article in the left-liberal taz newspaper simply stated that ‘Bavarian Michael Stürzenberger has been agitating against Islam for years [and] now he has been seriously injured by a knife attacker’. In other words, he brought it on himself.
It just amazes me how desperate they are getting to criminalized discussion of negative costs to globalist policies. Activr censorship ubdee threat of government. But rarely gets mentioned here, CATO, or other supposed libertarian leaning sites.
Similar to the "Swedish" teen assassins that Swedish gangs are hiring to murder people, exploiting the loophole against prosecution for those 15 and under.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/30/sweden-gangs-child-contract-killings-foxtrot-young-offender/
It is ok if immigrants commit crime because natives did it first. - jeffsarcduck
You mean the original native immigrants from Siberia?
Or the next round of immigrants from Spain and Portugal?
Or the third round of immigrants from England and France?
Fauci needs to answer for his crimes against humanity.
The Chinese government, agencies within the U.S. Government, and some members of the international scientific community sought to cover-up facts...
A global pandemic of gaslighting.
‘COVID-19, the report concludes, most likely stemmed from a lab leak in Wuhan, China—a lab that had received U.S. taxpayer funding in the form of gain-of-function research dollars, channeled through something called the EcoHealth Alliance, an organization that subawarded National Institutes of Health grants (and received insufficient oversight from the NIH). Lockdowns did "more harm than good" especially to child development, and six-foot social distancing was not "supported by science." ‘ - congressional report
‘No, it was Trump’s fault’ - house Democrats in “their own report”
LOL
Facts changed - jeffsarcduck
Scenes from New York:
Taxpayer-funded hotel for migrants is owned by Pakistani government
$220M to be paid to the Pakistan government for hotel rooms for illegal aliens in NYC
Over the weekend, DOGE co-chair Vivek Ramaswamy drew attention to the barely known fact that New York City is effectively paying the Pakistani government to house criminal aliens.
This has been true since the summer of 2023 when Pakistani Minister of Railways and Aviation Khawaja Saad Rafique announced that the Pakistani government would be leasing the Roosevelt Hotel in midtown Manhattan to the administration of NYC Mayor Eric Adams.
“The lease agreement is expected to generate revenues to the tune of around USD 220 million for the Pakistan government,” he said, as reported by The Economic Times. “A contract was signed for 1,250 rooms. The hotel will be returned to the government of Pakistan once the three-year term lease expires.”
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2024/12/03/this-is-nuts-ramaswamy-exposes-taxpayer-funded-hotel-for-migrants-is-owned-by-pakistani-government-1506926/
The agreement involves leasing all 1,025 rooms of the Roosevelt Hotel at $210 per room per night.
To meet the demand for over 14,000 rooms, the city has rented not only the Roosevelt but also more than 100 other hotels. Critics have pointed out that many of these properties are owned by foreign entities, including Air India and the Taj Group.
https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/is-new-york-city-paying-220-million-in-rent-to-pakistan-owned-roosevelt-hotel-13840800.html
What's a little gift between friends.
You misspelled "grift".
Judge orders Fani Willis to release all correspondence with Jack Smith or J6 committee. Mentions her flagrant actions in withholding materials is in violation of GA sunshine laws.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fani-full-release-ordered-after-fulton-da-sat-rico-records
There's zero chance she'll comply unless she wants to get Epsteined.
The Smasher might want to look into legal counsel for herself. I hear a guy named Wade might be available, having recently been RIF'ed.
South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law on Tuesday, claiming it was necessary to protect the homeland from "anti-state forces" including North Korean sympathizers.
He pulled a Justin Trudeau. Get rid of him quick, folks.
What's up with the tremendous 'diss' from Pres Trump to PM Trudeau? Pres Trump told him that he could be a governor of a 51st state? LMAO.
What a put down. I had to laugh.
And Trudeau's such a self-important ponce too. I bet he was seething through that weak smile.
Classic Trump.
I just feel terrible for sarc.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/stoli-vodka-files-bankruptcy-amid-legal-feud-russia
He can’t afford stoli.
Fair.
It'll be okay. Purell hand sanitizer is still available in the large refill jugs.
The perfect paring for GMO turducken.
On ice, with a splash of H02
At least they aren't tariffs. So no cost from this.
For the first time ever, the Federal Register, which publishes all the government regulations and administration’s proposals, smashed through the record held by former President Barack Obama to set a new level that is sure to grow higher as the Biden team moves to lock in its liberal agenda.
As of Tuesday, the federal manual’s page count hit 96,088 for the year, and the final page appropriately carried Biden’s signature printed at the end of his Thanksgiving message.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/3248325/biden-most-regulations-filled-federal-register-ever/
Wonder if Eric knows.
Biden's last EO January 19th:
"All Democrat sponsored laws are permanent, and all my EOs are irreplaceable. No take backs."
Repeal that one first then.
And they say they wonder why people think Democrats hate Americans...
A few weeks ago:
Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas set off outrage Wednesday when he told reporters that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) “does not have the funds” to see Americans through the rest of this Atlantic hurricane season — after the agency spent more than $1.4 billion since the fall of 2022 to address the migrant crisis.
“We are meeting the immediate needs with the money that we have,” Mayorkas said during a press gaggle on Air Force One en route to tour damage from Hurricane Helene in South and North Carolina.
“We are expecting another hurricane hitting,” he added. “We do not have the funds. FEMA does not have the funds to make it through the season and what — what is imminent.”
A few days ago:
Biden announces US to provide over $1B in aid to Africans displaced by historic droughts
President Biden, while speaking in Angola on Tuesday, announced the U.S. was providing over $1 billion in humanitarian aid to Africans displaced by droughts and food insecurity.
(Maybe they should all come to NYC and live in tax-payer funded hotels!)
Finally a president steps up and does the right thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qGMKoAz2po
Our AI powered future is going to be interesting.
We've come a long way from ai-Trump and ai-Obama talking to each other while playing subway runners or minecraft.
Trumps Folly, if he gets Quebec in the deal.
Not so sure we’d want Quebec or they’d want to belong with us. I figure the four western provinces would come as well as the Atlantic provinces. Ontario might be too hard headed at first.
I’d also favor an amendment that would allow territories to have one representative each but no senators as the House was meant for the people (Senate for the states). That might actually shut the DC statehood shit down.
Hell no to Quebec!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGLaCqvISc&pp=ygUSbGV0dGVya2VubnkgcXVlYmVj
He could make the same offer to Puerto Rico and Cuba to balance it out. Oh wait, they're all run by leftists.
No we do not. Quebec politics is even more fucked than Canadian federal politics.
It is not altogether shocking that Yoon did this. He won a close election in 2022, and has been seen as a marked departure from his progressive predecessor. Following his ascension, Yoon "turn[ed] to lawsuits, state regulators and criminal investigations to clamp down on speech that he called disinformation, efforts that were largely aimed at news organizations," reports The New York Times. "Police and prosecutors repeatedly raided the homes and newsrooms of journalists whom his office has accused of spreading 'fake news.'"
Following the martial law order, "Jo Seung-lae, a Democratic lawmaker, claimed that security camera footage…showed that troops moved in a way that suggested they were trying to arrest [political opponents] and even Han Dong-hoon, the leader of Yoon's People Power Party," reports the Associated Press.
Just glad this doesn't happen here if you ignore Joe and Obama.
I would've had to tip my hat to Liz if she'd ended the story with, "No word on whether newsrooms and journalists were actually spreading 'fake news' or not."
"turn[ed] to lawsuits, state regulators and criminal investigations to clamp down on speech that he called disinformation"
What they needed was Joe Biden's Disinformation Governance Board, where the board's stated function is to protect national security by disseminating guidance to DHS agencies on combating misinformation, malinformation, and disinformation that threatens the security of the homeland!
"It's OK, Democrats did it first..."
So it’s ok!
Maybe Jankowicz found another job after all.
Instead of coming together with Democrats to get ahead of future viruses or fortify America's public health infrastructure...
"Fortify".
Similar to fortified wine?
Elections.
"Scenes from New York:"
The jury in the trial for the guy that choked out the Michael Jackson impersonator on the subway is going into deliberation today. I'm pretty sure they will find him guilty, but if they don't then I would probably expect some light rioting to happen.
Was shocking to see Adam's openly support Penny.
The DAs social media is wild. She consistently called Daniel white man during trial.
surprised she didnt go for "racist white devil"
I wonder if she will mention the one black man that was helping Penny keep him down...
Also, Adam's is kind of based sometimes.
Skin color is the most important thing.
He said based, not primed.
No, unnecessary apostrophe's are the most important thing--including the one in this sentence.
There's a handful of Democrats I respect, while not always agreeing with their policies. Shapiro and Fetterman (yeah, really changed my mind on Lurch), Adams, Gabbard (though she's left the party). I do note that two of those are from swing states, and might be different if they came from a deep blue state, but that's hypothetical.
If they find him guilty, remind me to not feel bad when people get shoved into the path of trains in the future in that shithole.
90% chance they will be a democrat so there is no downside there.
Perhaps this is our horrible, fragmented future: dueling reports from two political parties...
One side has more to cover up than the other.
I don't care if they telecommute. I just want Trump to axe as many federal employees as possible.
They can't telecommute if their job no longer exists. Win-win.
What would be the term used for commuting from work by trebuchet?
Smash transportation?
Carbon friendly air travel.
We need to make trebuchets great again.
MTGA?
Unfortunately with those initials there will be a bunch of nerds playing Magic the Gathering: Arena jumping on board.
Free one-way airfare?
"The American Federation of Government Employees, a union representing 42,000 Social Security Administration workers, reached an agreement with the agency last week that will protect telework until 2029 in an updated contract,"
Fire them.
If the usual bullshit protecting then stops that, make working miserable.
Full work period cameras required to be active. Monitoring software. Bonuses only for those who return to work. Etc. Etc.
“We need to telecommute through 2029 due to the deadly pandemic”
Why not 2129?
Sounds like subpar union negotiators to me
I think they figure the Dems can stage a comeback for the next election.
"COVID-19, the report concludes, most likely stemmed from a lab leak in Wuhan, China"
But I was told that's the "racist" explanation.
A good anti-racist must accept that the virus jumped to humans at a filthy "wet market."
#BatSoup
I'm so old I can remember getting called a conspiracy theorist for saying that.
You still are one according to sarc.
In the grand scheme it makes no difference to me personally. I got the two Pfizer shots and zero boosters, and would have done the same whether the lab accident or wet market theory is correct.
But it always seemed suspicious, that smug certainty with which people totally ruled out the lab leak in the early days.
I got mine the last day required by my work. The studies showing harm came put long before joe began trying to force mandates and such. Everyone who understands statistics knew there was no harm of healthy and under 45 for the most part. Very early into the pandemic.
I actually did get the vax, back when I hoped it might have some potential. Got the J&J one shot one using a traditional vaccine vector instead of the mRNA ones as I figured the tried and true technology would work better (yes, I’m an engineer - use stuff that you know works). Did not get any of the boosters as I figured they were worthless.
I did exactly this, too.
The J&J shot is not a traditional vaccine. It used adenovirus to deliver the spike protein mRNA instead of lipid. The only benefit is that adenovirus is supposed to have a limited number of cell types it can infect based on receptor expression. Lipid mediated tansfection that Pfizer and Moderna used can hit any cell and turn it into a target for your immune system.
I got lucky. The company had started working people from home about a year before.
Two incidents convinced me there was no need for the jab, especially because I seldom get colds, even when kids came home from school with colds.
* Italy was first hit, for some reason, and they said the average age at death from/with COVID was 80, same as the average age of death, period.
* That cruise ship with 800 passengers and more crew was locked up for a week or two and only reported 3 deaths, though I am probably wrong in the exact numbers.
So I have never had any of the shots. Also always waited until some clerk told me to wear a mask before pulling it out of my pocket. My doctor was pissed. He's a good doc otherwise, no need to change, and he doesn't nag me more than once a year to get the flu shots, which I avoid too.
Those are basically the reasons I decided I wasn't going to worry about it and do my best to carry on as normal in April 2020.
I considered the shots for a brief time, but decided I didn't have much to gain and would rather preserve my ability to refuse on principle if anyone tried to make me take it. I'm glad my employer didn't press the issue, but I was prepared to refuse.
It's a big deal in some ways, but you are right, it makes little practical difference. It's good if the truth comes out, but I feel like it's a distraction from what should be the real scandal of the whole thing which is the authoritarian response and the constant dishonesty and incompetence of the public health authorities and a lot of scientists and physicians who should know better.
Were they forced to actually look at the lab leak, they would’ve noted what everyone else did regarding the lab. There was gain of function research there with coronaviruses and that our own agencies, under Saint Anthony Fauci were heavily involved. That would break the narrative.
My road toward the lab leak theory stated early in the pandemic (like March/April 2020) when at an idle moment, I decided to look at Wuhan on Google maps. And what should I see standing out, marked clearly on the map? The Wuhan Institute of Virology. At that point I figured that wasn’t a coincidence.
Rare HnR commenter Jerryskids made that observation here around a week or two after the panic started and the stories were all blaming a wet market.
While it wouldn't surprise me if Fauci was front and center in trying to keep that hidden from the start, I strongly suspect that was initiated by the Chinese government to avoid embarrassment.
it always seemed suspicious, that smug certainty with which people totally ruled out the lab leak in the early days.
Right. Anyone who ruled out possibilities was ding so for political reasons, which described essentially every member of our public health institutions. They did it to protect Fauci and the NIH's illegal gain of function research.
And get Trump, can't forget that part.
It would have been the greatest coincidence in the history of virology if the worst virus in a hundred years randomly broke out in the same city as a lab that studied those types of viruses and experimented with making them more severe.
"most likely stemmed from a lab leak in Wuhan, China"
I will stand by my decision to think "kung-flu" is funny.
I've never really understood the media and Democrats full-bore effort to push the wet-market notion and actively, maliciously attack the Wuhan lab notion. Unless they were just bowing to their CCP overlords.
I mean, the fact that a virological research lab doing gain-of-function research of coronaviruses being located in the city where the pandemic is suspected to have started has "smoking gun" written all over it, even if you want to believe that the scientists there were perfect and didn't let a virus escape from their labs...a rational person has to at least admit the possibility that it doesn't look good. I think that the lab failed containment somehow is the most likely cause, but can't totally rule out the wet lab theory.
And I'm not a virologist, but neither is Nancy Pelosi or the NYT staff but they all seemed 173% sure that the lab was not the cause and persecuted anyone who said it was. Not rational.
Fauci was protecting himself from incrimination for his part in the gain of function and the CCP had him over the table. Our media just supported Fauci and the wet market purely for political anti Trump reasons it had nothing to do with reality, truth or justice or even real journalism, our media are mouth pieces for the left
Even without gain-of-function research, lab leaks happen.
As Vox (yes, that Vox) told us, um, nine months before the first cases of COVID-19. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/3/20/18260669/deadly-pathogens-escape-lab-smallpox-bird-flu
Do you understand that the two previous SARS-like outbreaks, MERS and SARS-CoV-1, both originated with a virus jumping species.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-1#Origin_and_evolutionary_history
Were there MERS and SARS-CoV-1 biolabs in the cities they originated in Lying Jeffy?
Also darn, was hoping my guess below came true.
You do realize there’s a bio lab doing coronavirus research right in the middle of the same town where the outbreak started, right? Lab leaks, unfortunately, are not uncommon, and provides a very likely (read: Occam’s Razor) explanation for why it started there.
But they investigated the lab! A researcher dying there as one of the first victims proved nothing, he probably stopped off at the wet market for lunch. Oh, wait....
Do you understand that twice, Sars cov1 outbreaks were link to lab leaks.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7096887/
Lmao, poor Lying Jeffy.
I'm shocked to find Jeffey still protecting the DNC. Shocked.
Your winnings, sir?
And?
I believe I indicated that it doesn't make sense to rule out one or the other notions. Surely some sort of genetic testing can solidify the point of origin, provided Fauci and CCP workers at Wuhan labs don't fudge the evidence?
The issue I was raising was the vehemence, which you seem to also be demonstrating, that even questioning the possibility of a lab leak was something to be attacked.
I would have found an answer like, "Well the two previous coronavirus epidemics were ultimately traced back to zoonotic sources, but there's certainly a non-zero chance that it did originate as a leak from the Wuhan lab." to be utterly sensible.
The rampant and strident protestations against anyone who dared to express even a hint of doubt that might point at the lab leak theory did nothing but bring forth the canard "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Covering for Fauci and Obama.
Which is more of a racist comment that it was a lab leak or a filthy wet market. either one would be called out by the woke crowd
"But I was told that's the "racist" explanation.
A good anti-racist must accept that the virus jumped to humans at a filthy "wet market."
Evil racist explanation: "The virus escaped from a research lab due to poor security and safety procedures"
Noble antiracist explanation: "The virus came from bats at a Chinese farmers market, because you know those yellow fuckers will eat anything"
Oh dear readers, how I love you.
If you truly loved me then that COVID piece would have been at the top. NOTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD MATTERS.
Mistakes were made, time to put it behind us.
Bullshit. I want the assholes who deliberately lied to us to face punishment, even if it’s public tar and feathering.
Readjust your sarcasm meter.
Oh, I knew it was sarcasm, but it’s also the type of thing Jeffy and Sarc say without any sarcasm at all.
Skin color is the only thing that matters.
This guy gets it.
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Welcome to the good life everyone.
you spoiled Arizonans.
Those guys are drilling down into the details!
The bad news is that the entire country will have only one time zone.
As long as it is mountain standard. I'm not changing my fucking clocks for anyone.
Is your vcr still blinking or did you find some black tape?
I just put my VHS tape rewinder in front of it.
But wouldn't that then get in the way of the Betamax player?
Better to make the trains run on time.
Yes, I hope this happens. I'm so sick of daylight savings.
A worse return on savings than even social security.
The urgency here might be due to fears that President-elect Donald Trump forces government workers to return to office...
Like a contract is going to stop Trump.
A certain rot creeps in to those who do not take responsibility for their actions, rot that the parent needs to keep scraping away, like moldy frosting from a cake...
You have something you want to tell us about your baking habits, Nance?
I thought for a moment that she was talking about Wal-Mart Girl, not Hunter Biden . . .
https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1863467366287311182
"Don't yell at her. You don't know what trauma she's been through."
This is what wokeness has done. Being "oppressed" gets you privileges in today's culture, so everyone claims to be the victim. Who can win the oppression olympics? If you have at least one "intersectionality" box checked, you aren't responsible for your bad behavior, and it's wrong for someone not "oppressed" to call you on your bad behavior.
"key findings:"
..."everything that was common sense you could have learned from talking to your local walmart cashier actually was true"
Its bittersweet to see this report. Its a nice fuck you to the Jeff-tier "you going to believe conspiracies from uncle fester and dr JoE RhOGan?!?!" class, but at the same time, the amount of useless govt employees working on this stuff for now half a decade, the amount of money wasted in said investigations, to tell us what I was reading from fucking Chumby in the reason comments in March of 2020....its a bit depressing.
Jeff will just deny actual science for The Sciencr and use ad hominem to dismiss it since it was the GOP.
Jeffy needs to clean the bears out of his trunk.
this dude is literally non stop on how we should trust the experts on child mutilation and sterilization, with the *recent* context of the experts fucking up COVID in every way possible
Aside from the fact one should know why an appeal to authority argument is shit, he has real world examples, daily at this point, as to why its shit, yet he persists...
He only wants to trust activists he calls experts. See how he demands we only listen to WPATH who is a literal activist group. Their papers are consistently exposed as false. And he ignore Cass report and actual science against his views.
He is a pure activist. Narratives over facts. Emotion over logic.
He really just wants to justify pedophilia in the end. Speaking of which, haven’t seen him comment today. Wonder if one of the fathers in his neighborhood found out about him?
He only wants to trust activists he calls experts.
He doesn't trust experts, he trusts DNC press releases.
There was a peer-reviewed report on King County recently--the most COVID vaxxed county in the nation at 98%--seeing a rise in excess heart attack deaths of 1,276% since 2020. Apparently there's been an increase in cardiac issues there, too.
Wonder how many of the Antifart vermin there got 20 boosters to pwn the chuds.
That might explain the lack of protests. If your Antifa are out of commission and on the proverbial DL due to the vax, it’s difficult for them to do protests that require a much stronger heart.
There was a peer-reviewed report on King County recently--the most COVID vaxxed county in the nation at 98%--seeing a rise in excess heart attack deaths of 1,276% since 2020.
If you read this^ and thought that an article showed that heart attacks increased over 10-fold in King county (NOPE) and was caused by COVID vaccines (NOPE) you've been duped several times over.
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202405.1665/v1
What they actually did was show that heart attacks increased by ~ 20% in King county from 2020 to 2023. They did not compare this to any other county nor did they make any attempt to show vaccine causality. They did not compare vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people. They did not attempt to control for COVID infections or any other lifestyle change due that may have occurred around 2020.
The 1236% increase in "excess" deaths figure was manufactured by picking a figure from statistical noise in 2020 to compare to 2023 based on a dubious trend-line extrapolation.
I used to subscribe to both Nature and Science. The increased fraction of junk and political articles gradually convinced me to drop both 10-15 years ago. I wonder if they will ignore this or spin it.
Based on the impact factor of this journal, I'd say ignore is a safe bet.
Yes, sadly political "truth" is much stronger than scientific "truth" so finding the real truth in any matter of political concern is nearly impossible. Non-political matters aren't much better though as science is thoroughly internally politicized anyway.
But "common sense" and "Walmart cashiers" will tell you that a simplistic correlation between vaccination rates and heart attacks is the most sophisticated level of statistics that one needs in order to understand the world. Oh, and Joe Rogan's cherry-picked guests say the same thing. So that paper is clearly the product of corrupt scientists working for Democrats and feeding at the public funding trough trying to oppress 'real Muricans'. Why do you hate America?
Remember when you attacked and lied about Rogan because you were told to? I do.
Why do you hate America?
Well, I pretty much hate everything except my dog so...
Ah yes, Tardjeff Retarded Statist, always trust the experts, the same experts who lied to us time and time again about the virus. By the way, don’t you have some bears to put back in your trunk?
Brix is jeffsarc?
Results: Approximately 98% of the King County population received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine by 2023. Our analysis revealed a 25.7% increase in total cardiopulmonary arrests and a 25.4% increase in cardiopulmonary arrest mortality from 2020 to 2023 in King County, WA. Excess cardiopulmonary arrest deaths were estimated to have increased by 1,236% from 2020 to 2023, rising from 11 excess deaths (95% CI: -12, 34) in 2020 to 147 excess deaths (95% CI: 123, 170) in 2023. A quadratic increase in excess cardiopulmonary arrest mortality was observed with higher COVID-19 vaccination rates. The general population of King County sharply declined by 0.94% (21,300) in 2021, deviating from the expected population size. Applying our model from these data to the entire United States yielded 49,240 excess fatal cardiopulmonary arrests from 2021-2023. Conclusions: We identified a very strong ecological and temporal association between excess cardiopulmonary arrest mortality and the COVID-19 vaccination campaign, which resulted in high vaccination rates. The biological plausibility of death from acute cardiac and pulmonary causes after COVID-19 vaccination has been previously demonstrated and is concerning given these real-world observations. Urgent further research is needed to determine if similar trends are observed in other regions with attention to risk mitigation for incident events and improved survival with resuscitation.
You were duped, Vinni.
I challenge you to show me where in the study they show this.
I challenge you to do something more than insist that these crazy increases aren't related to the one thing that is medically significant that just happens to coincide with the increases.
You sound like a person of faith saying "it's god's plan" after their kid dies in a car accident to a drunk driver.
OK, so you reject my challenge. I'll still accept yours.
I challenge you to do something more than insist that these crazy increases aren't related to the one thing that is medically significant that just happens to coincide with the increases.
One thing? Really? You mean the COVID virus, the HUGE change in lifestyle that occurred for basically everyone during the pandemic or the vaccine? Because I don't know which if any of these caused the increase in cardiac issues, I only know this article does absolutely nothing to help us determine that. It is perhaps the worst paper passing as a scientific article I have ever read, and I'm a scientist so I read a lot of them.
Secondly, I am attacking this junk paper, not the premise. So to accept your challenge: I never did and I am not now insisting that the vaccines do not cause cardiac issues. Myocarditis is a known issue with COVID vaccines, but so far fatalities have not been conclusively linked. I think it's likely the vaccines do contribute to cardiac deaths, just not nearly at the level this paper tries to sell you. There are much better articles out there on this topic. Some show an effect and some don't. So we don't know the reality yet.
If you accept what this paper is saying you are letting confirmation bias get the better of you...unless you want to accept my challenge above and prove me wrong.
That article has got to be the most garbage statistical analysis ever. It is the equivalent of the Walmart cashier saying "my cousin got the COVID vaccine and now he's dead, therefore the vaccine caused his death". The authors literally just put the data into Excel and fitted it to a quadratic function. Zero attempt at trying to control confounding variables. It makes sense when you see that the author is Peter McCullough, a complete ideologue on the matter of the COVID vaccines.
So, are you going to now believe conspiracies from Uncle Fester, Dr. Joe Rogan, Walmart cashiers, or random Reason commenters?
How does the world actually work? Does it even matter what the truth of the matter is, or is it only important to have a believable-enough narrative that your team can latch on to which incorporates all the correct biases that it ought to (i.e., government and Democrats are the villains, 'common sense' is a rigorous tool for scientific discovery)? That is why your team is becoming more and more like a cult. It is no longer about discovering reality, it is about repeating accepted dogma.
“Dr. Joe Rogan… Does it even matter what the truth of the matter is, or is it only important to have a believable-enough narrative that your team can latch on to”
Perfect, Lying Jeffy.
Go catch those trunk bears, dipshit.
They were only conspiracy theories if you use a narrow definition of conspiracy or until facts change.
What are you arguing about? You're the one who believed a conspiracy theory, not us.
"government officials lied to us, sacrificing our health and wellbeing for…what, exactly?"
Raw, unmitigated power to control their "subjects".
Way back in the very earliest days of COVID--circa March 13th, 2020--I had to imagine that the mayor of Champaign IL *had* to have had her maniacal plan at the ready, probably in a special red folder in the center drawer of her desk, just waiting for the chance to unleash her dream of ultimate power. COVID was the ticket to an authoritarian's wet dream.
https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wandtv.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/51/551ced24-6535-11ea-9826-4f4fd396dacb/5e6b960454b21.pdf.pdf
After the declaration of an emergency, the Mayor may in the interest of public safety and welfare make any or all of the following orders and provide the following direction:
(1) Issue such other orders as are imminently necessary for the protection of life and property.
(2) Order a general curfew applicable to such geographical areas of the City or to the City as a whole, as the Mayor deems advisable, and applicable during such hours of the day or night as the Mayor deems necessary in the interest of public safety and welfare.
(3) Order the closing of all retail liquor stores, including taverns and private clubs or portions thereof wherein the consumption of intoxicating liquor and beer is permitted;
(4) Order the discontinuance of the sale of alcoholic liquor by any wholesaler or retailer;
(5) Order the discontinuance of selling, distributing, or giving away gasoline or other liquid flammable or combustible products in any container other than a gasoline tank properly affixed to a motor vehicle;
(6) Order the discontinuance of selling, distributing, dispensing or giving away of explosives or explosive agents, firearms or ammunition of any character whatsoever;
and about 25 more "emergency powers"...including
(11) Temporarily suspend, limit, cancel, convene, reschedule, postpone, continue, or relocate all meetings of the City Council, and any City committee, commission, board, authority, or other City body as deemed appropriate by the Mayor.
Zepbound, a weight-loss drug, has outperformed Wegovy in head-to-head trials.
This is how they plan to depopulate us, shrinking our weight to negative numbers.
But then we get to float everywhere.
We all float down here.
"Zepbound" and "Wegovy" sound like the names of a couple of D&D characters. When did prescription drugs get such goofy names?
Either that or some hot new phone app that does god knows what.
They want unique names for trademarking. It's been going on a long long time.
My personal favorite in this regard is Skyrizi a.k.a. Risankizumab-rzaa.
It sounds like it was secretly invented by E-40 in the 90s.
E-40, I liked their Red Red Wine cover.
UB-40? Right?
Uh... No?
The absurd names for these prescription drugs are bad enough, but when you combine it with the ads for the drugs, it's almost unbearable. Why do all of these diabetes drugs have commercials with fat women dancing in an office setting, or some goofy dude jumping into the middle of a parade down Main St and playing a tambourine?
Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy reportedly considering ending daylight savings time as a part of the Department of Government Efficiency...
Careful what you wish for. We're on Standard Time now.
For a few dollars a month, you can upgrade to premium time.
They'll add commercials in a year, two tops.
The enshittification will continue.
If there's a significance to the passage of time, there must be a significance to the standard of time... especially if you set deadlines around time.
"Noon" is not an arbitrary time. It's the precise time between astronomical sunrise and astronomical sunset, but if we want to declare 1 pm as the new noon, I'm okay with that.
Even Slate didn't let the "noble lies" slip by unnoticed. They discuss 4 of Fauci's lies in this one article.
https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-cdc-masks.html
"When experts or agencies deliver information to the public that they consider possibly or definitively false to further a larger, often well-meaning agenda, they are telling what is called a noble lie. Although the teller’s intentions may be pure—for example, a feeling of urgency that behavioral change is needed among the lay public—the consequences can undermine not only those intentions but also public trust in experts and science. During the first year of COVID-19, leaders were faced with an unknown disease amid a politically sensitive election in the era of social media, and the preconditions for noble lies became especially fertile. Not surprisingly, we witnessed several examples. More than anything, these examples illustrate the destructive potential of such lies.
Noble lies—small untruths—yield unpredictable outcomes. Nietzsche once wrote, “Not that you lied to me, but that I no longer believe you, has shaken me.” Public health messaging is predicated on trust, which overcomes the enormous complexity of the scientific literature, creating an opportunity to communicate initiatives effectively. Still, violation of this trust renders the communication unreliable. When trust is shattered, messaging is no longer clear and straightforward, and instead results in the audience trying to reverse-engineer the statement based on their view of the speaker’s intent. Simply put, noble lies can rob confidence from the public, leading to confusion, a loss of credibility, conspiracy theories, and obfuscated policy.
Noble lies are a trap. We cannot predict the public’s behavior, and loss of trust is devastating. The general population is far too skeptical to blindly follow the advice of experts, and far too intelligent to be easily duped.
The general population is far too skeptical to blindly follow the advice of experts, and far too intelligent to be easily duped
Jeff and jfree are not.
Ya, ill say that while the 20-30% of the population that didnt lose their mind during COVID are inspiring of some sanity left in the world...the 70-80% that did lose their minds (or at least defer to the nonsense) is highly concerning
The number of people I still see walking around in masks is disturbingly high. They're permanently broken.
Seriously? Where do you live? I see someone wearing a mask around here about once a month, maybe.
I see a few of them at grocery stores weekly here near Chicago.
Every single time I go to the grocery store, here in St. Louis, there are at least a few.
Zero at the grocery store in rural Kentucky last week when I was there for Thanksgiving. Didn't see a single one.
There were a few at the hotel in Memphis a couple weeks ago. All employees, no guests.
Same here. Every single time I go to grocery store.
J(ew)free is just an idiot. Jeffy has deliberately perpetuated the lies. Bears in trunks, anyone?
I still see people wearing masks...by themselves....in a car.
All of you need to watch the latest Joe Rogan interview with Mike Benz.
Mike Benz is a former official with the U.S. Department of State and current Executive Director of the Foundation For Freedom Online, which is a free speech watchdog organization.
The stuff that went on, and is going on, is worse than I thought was possible and I'm a pessimist. The CIA is holding classes and seminars with thousands of active corporate media journalists, teaching them how to censor the news and control narratives.
They showed a recording of one of the seminars and it was amazing. Tony Robbins for fascism.
Make some time. This is need to know stuff for every libertarian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrJhQpvlkLA
I would also recommend giving Mike Benz a follow on X (Twitter). He has a lot of information that’s very interesting.
@MikeBenzCyber
The NGOs need to be reined in. They are defacto wings of the government and shouldn't be allowed to do things it would be illegal for the government to do, or would require congressional approval to do.
If the government is funding most of your activities, you're not a private company.
^+1
Government providing 99% of your funding = Non Governmental Organization
Everytime
halfway through. Benz is gold.
Here's a little more information about Mike Benz.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/michael-benz-rising-voice-conservative-criticism-online-censorship-rcna119213
Is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha there, retarded statist?
Benz, in his public posts and appearances, has not espoused the same racist views as Frame Game.
Because I’m not so sure it’s the one you think it is.
And here’s the maker of the hit piece. Claims she’s a “misinformation reporter”, whatever the fuck that is.
Brandy Zadrozny is a senior reporter for NBC News. She covers misinformation, extremism and the internet.
So trust your experts, right, Jeffy?
She was one of the people at the CIA's misinformation NGO seminars. Oh wow!
Jeff is everything we suspected.
Here’s this “misinformation expert”:
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/brandy-zadrozny-misinfo-expert/
So much for Jeffy’s “expert” here.
Spreading smears is all Jeffy and his fascist co-conspirators have.
Jeffey being at the seminars would explain quite a bit.
"white nationalist publication in 2018"
What an odd way to descibe a something you are totally not making up. Why not name this evil purveyor of hate?
“his goals weren’t a white ethnostate, but a stop to “ethnic identity politics in America””
Not surprised you’re opposed to this.
Yeah, if that isn't an obvious fucking lie from top to bottom you piece-of-shit spittoon for Nazi narratives, I don't know what is.
"Frame Game often shared his background as a Jewish attorney living in New York City and told interviewers he had studied psychology at an Ivy League college, graduating magna cum laude. These details match an archived LinkedIn profile for Benz, which said he graduated magna cum laude from the University of Pennsylvania with a bachelor’s degree in psychology."
Did you even fucking read your smear job before posting it? If you had a sense shame your face should be burning red by now.
A guy leaves the State Department and joins the Foundation For Freedom Online, starts criticizing the CIA for training journalists to advocate for illegally censoring Americans and then all of a sudden there's an article that hints he's a racist and tries to discredit him in the most pathetically obvious way possible... and you just post it like the fascist shill you are.
You're so utterly fucking disgusting. What is a worse thing than evil, because that is what you are.
Anyway, Lying Jeffy's link illustrates perfectly why everyone needs to watch that interview with Mike Benz. You couldn't ask for a better example.
"all of a sudden" - lol this article appeared last year.
So, let's be explicit here. Are you claiming that Brandy Zadrozny is part of a CIA-affiliated conspiracy to take down people like Michael Benz by unjustly smearing them as racists?
Imagine posting this right after… trying to smear Michael Benz as a racist.
Truly amazing, Lying Jeffy.
Anyway, I thought people ought to be well informed about the source that you are promoting.
Interesting that you didn't mention this bit from the article:
Benz admitted he used the Frame Game persona. That persona evidently spewed all sorts of racist shit, but Benz then tried to claim after he was outed that "oh, it was a deradicalization project". Maybe legit, maybe just a post-hoc rationalization.
By the way, did Joe Rogan bring up any of this Frame Game stuff in his discussion with Benz? Or did he just ignore it and let Benz frame the entire discussion how he wanted it to go?
So, here is Frame Game Radio's archived material. You can browse through it yourself.
https://archive.org/details/@framegameradioreuploads
I've looked at a little bit of it and it is genuinely disgusting. But if you want to claim this guy as a hero for your team, then by all means don't let me stop you.
I just want white positivity to be normal instead of white toxicity. If you want something more than that, cool.
Such sinister company.
How dare white people feel anything other than guilt!
Jeffy is so totes not a progressive Democrat Nazi.
Benz also amplified the “Twitter Files,” documents released by Musk that revealed internal debates about content moderation and communications with outside organizations, governments, journalists and researchers. For months, in videos and threads posted to Twitter, Benz has framed those internal debates as grand conspiracies and maligned the academic researchers and institutions involved as government spies and plants.
This is how your "objective" reporter portrays the Twitter Files and what they revealed about the government's efforts to censor people.
President Trump's disastrous COVID-19 response
They aren't wrong. Well probably wrong on their conclusions - guessing before I read their rebuttal, that he should have lockdown harder and spent trillions more and knighted Fauci.
should have lockdown harder and spent trillions more
That sounds like the branch covidians I know. If everyone would have just seriously masked up for two weeks and stayed in their homes, it would have worked like it was supposed to. IOW, if we would have just improved our morale, the beatings would have stopped.
Flashback to May 2020:
I was talking to Mrs Oblongata the other morning after we watched the news and this poll came up (forget what channel) saying the something like 63% of Americans think we should wait until there's a vaccine or a cure before we reopen. I said something along the lines of:
I wonder how many of those people demanding longer lockdowns would feel if things were *really* locked down. Being able to run to the grocery store or Wal-Mart or picking up your favorite take-out…those are all ways and places where you can infect other or be infected, even if you're wearing a mask.
So I mean *really locked down*: no grocery stores, no Wal-Mart, no fast-food drive-throughs, no pizza delivery, no Uber-Eats or Door-Dash or whatever. No Amazon or Target online. No home delivery. No jogging, visiting a park, etc. You’ll stay in your house or else–maybe we’ll allow you to wander around in your own backyard (backyard only), if you have one. For food, what you’ll get is a government truck will deliver a box of food for one person to eat for a week, and drop off the boxes at your front doorstep based on the number of people in your household (hope you didn’t lie on the census form!). Each week, you will be told to line your household up at the door, one at a time, so they can be counted; this will inform the number of food boxes dropped off at your house. An armed escort will accompany the delivery person to ensure that no one opens their doors while the delivery person is within 20 feet of the door. Don't do that, because you could get shot. The delivery personnel and their guards will be in full MOPP gear.
If someone in your house needs medical care, call 911 and an ambulance will be dispatched. People in full MOPP gear will pick up your sick loved one and take them away for treatment. If they live, maybe you'll see them again.
The ONLY “essential” personnel will be those involved with treating COVID and for producing and delivering the food. These people will be issued uniforms and ID lanyards. So there’s no reason for anyone one else to ever venture outside of their house and anyone on the streets who is not in uniform obviously has no business being there, and will be subject to immediate detention in physical quarantine facilities.
Let them imagine a real lockdown for a few minutes then ask the question about a vaccine again. Bet the answer is different.
I knew people who admitted to wanting all that to continue, when we were starting to re-open.
They were by default left-wing pajama-class white collar types for whom staying at home to work wasn't a big disruption.
Let them imagine a real lockdown for a few minutes then ask the question about a vaccine again. Bet the answer is different.
Just follow SOP and front load the survey with lots of 'control' questions:
1. Would you hold this vial of MRSA for me, yes or no?
2. Have you or would you ever rub dirt or another foreign substance on a minor skin abrasion to prevent or stem the bleeding, yes or no?
3. Do you or would you ever sanitize pocket change, yes or no?
4. a. Do you have any nitrile gloves, yes or no?
4. b. If yes, can I borrow some?
5. Do you like the taste of MREs, yes or no?
6. What is the longest period of time you've gone without feeling sunshine or a gentle breeze on your face?
7. Have you ever physically carried or been tethered to the amount of oxygen required to keep you alive?
8. a. Have you ever watched any animal, including human, aspirate a foreign object or substance, yes or no?
8. b. Have you ever any animal, including human, asphyxiate, yes or no?
...
Results: 63% of respondents said lockdowns should continue but 80% of them didn't have nitrile gloves, 11% of the remainder would lend them out, and 42% would handle biohazardous material from a stranger either way.
1. Yes, been exposed to MRSA so many times, it doesn't really scare me, especially if it's inside a sealed vial
2. No, but cut myself plenty of times when my hands were dirty (sometimes even while field dressing deer or elk).
3. Only when I forget to take it out of my pocket before laundry day.
4. A)Yes
4. B)Get your own, you can pick them up at any farm supply store.
5.) depends on which ones. I'd kill for the jalapeno cheese and vegetable crackers. Which came in the old spaghetti and meatballs MRE (spaghetti wasn't bad either and it had Skittles and I think Lemon-Lime beverage powder drink).
6. Not sure, used to work 12 hours night shifts and in the winter time it seemed like I never saw the sun.
7. No
8. Yes to both
Also have had some of my son's MRE (current ones) and they're pretty good. When I started, I think it was either first or second generation (green-gray packaging) then the dark brown packaging and then the desert tan packaging. The early MREs were eh, but luckily I didn't encounter too many of those (must of been right at the end of the supply of those when I joined).
Yes, been exposed to MRSA so many times, it doesn't really scare me, especially if it's inside a sealed vial
Right but you and I aren't in the 63% calling for prolonged lock downs.
"Let them imagine a real lockdown for a few minutes then ask the question about a vaccine again. Bet the answer is different."
Don't need to imagine. South Korea had extremely draconian lockdowns, and they turned out to be one of the world's most successful nations at combating covid19. Vietnam and Taiwan were similar. We've known for 1000s of years how to minimize the effects of communicable diseases. Korea and other nations have the will and stomach to put theory to practice.
It also helps if you don’t classify everything, including motorcycle accidents, as Covid deaths.
The virus doesn't care how you classify everything. Fact remains that humans have found two ways to minimize communicable disease. Isolation and vaccines.
Or murder-suicide gunshot deaths...
The Grand County coroner is disputing the number of COVID-19 deaths the state is reporting for the county.
Brenda Bock told county commissioners on Tuesday that the state is reporting two additional COVID-19 deaths in Grand, which she believes should not be included.
The coroner maintains that only one person in the county has died from COVID-19, while two more people have died with it, for a total of three COVID-related deaths in the county. However, the state is reporting five for Grand.
In disputing the numbers, Bock explained that a couple who died of gunshot wounds late last month have been included in the state’s numbers. The state told Bock those deaths are included in the count because the two tested positive for COVID-19 within 30 days before their death.
Bock called the state’s reporting “false and misleading.”
“The two cases were autopsied, and the cause of death was listed as ‘blunt force injuries due to a gunshot wound,’” Bock said of what police determined to be a murder-suicide. “Nowhere did the pathologist say COVID was the cause of death.”
She conceded that while the two extra deaths might not make a big difference to the state, adding them to Grand’s count increases the county’s COVID deaths by 40%. She said she is working with the state to try and get the deaths removed.
“If we want the public to trust and believe the information being released, we need to make sure it is accurate,” Bock said.
Grand County Public Health Director Brene Belew-Ladue explained that state and Centers for Disease Control reporting protocol requires that anyone who tested positive for COVID-19 within 30 days of their death be included in these numbers.
We've known for 1000s of years how to minimize the effects of communicable diseases.
And yet, it wasn’t until 2020 that we realized all we needed to do was cut up an old t-shirt and put it over our faces.
A lot of medicine is theater. But isolation and vaccines are tried and true methods to prevent the spread of communicable diseases.
As for knowing for a 1000 years, I call bullshit. Study the Black Death sometime. Yeah some resorted to quarantines, others not so much. Actually, I'm kind of surprised the COVIDIOTS like lyingjeffy didn't call for scourging to help limit the spread, or bleeding, or waving the Holy Body over the victims.
Note, several of those things were prescribed by actual doctors, including the waving of blessed Communion bread over victims.
"As for knowing for a 1000 years, I call bullshit"
Study your bible. Some of the action takes place in leper colonies. Isolation. Vaccination, exposing patients to small doses of disease, goes back to the Han dynasty more than 2000 years ago according to some researchers. Chinese doctors are said to have used scabs preserved in honey.
"Actually, I'm kind of surprised the COVIDIOTS like lyingjeffy didn't call for scourging to help limit the spread,"
I'm not surprised at all. As I wrote, isolation and vaccines have been our go to methods to minimize communicable disease. I understand that acknowledging this is a bridge too far for you.
@LizWolfe...You're up at 5am? Pfffft. That is loafing. Try 4am. 🙂
I enjoy Just Asking Questions. The phone notification when you drop a podcast feels a little 'spammy'. Just saying.
"...1. COVID-19 likely originated from a lab-related incident in Wuhan, linked to gain-of-function research funded with U.S. taxpayer dollars..."
Fauci had better lawyer-up.
I wonder if going the civil suit path (a civil suit, not criminal suit) would be faster and more painful (they'd take his money)
"...Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy reportedly considering ending daylight savings time as a part of the Department of Government Efficiency, per Forbes..."
In which case, they can change the name to Department of Ending Government Stupidity.
Government Stupidity is redundant
BREAKING: Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy reportedly considering ending daylight savings time as a part of the Department of Government Efficiency, per Forbes.
Hey, one of the bluest states in the nation has passed this twice!
Permanent DST is racist against early risers.
True story of me being prejudiced against young black men not being early risers: My wife found an antique trunk on craigslist in a bad neighborhood in Flint. I arranged to pick it up from the old lady who owned it at 6am. When I was driving up to her house I noticed the house across the street had about six young black men on the front porch. Yeah, sorry, those guys aren’t usually up at six am. Just kept driving and told the lady we changed our mind.
As a Hoosier who grew up without daylight savings time, only to convert upon leaving Indiana and then give up all hope of historical and cultural normalcy once the state switched to daylight savings time, only to have to now switch back, I now know how Iron Eyes Cody felt when he had to pick up trash.
I don't mind DST because it would get dark way too early in the summer where I live.
Getting rid of daylight saving's time is a great idea. I don't care if it is all standard time or all daylight time, just stop the switching back and forth.
just stop the switching back and forth.
You and sarc have been asked to do this on many issues.
lol!
As expected, California just kept counting votes until Democrats won. California 45 and 13 both had Republican leads hold for weeks after election day, to be finally overtaken as California kept counting all the contested ballots.
Adam Gray (Dem)
50.0%
105,554
John Duarte (GOP) •
50.0%
105,367
• Incumbent
AP estimate: 99% of votes in • Last updated: Dec. 4, 2024 at 12:51 a.m. ET • Winner called: Dec. 4, 2024 at 12:51 a.m. ET
District 45
Candidate
Percent
Votes
Derek Tran (Dem)
50.1%
158,264
Michelle Steel (GOP) •
49.9%
157,611
• Incumbent
AP estimate: 99% of votes in • Last updated: Dec. 3, 2024 at 5:06 p.m. ET • Winner called: Nov. 27, 2024 at 4:03 p.m. ET
It's a lot easier to fabricate a victory when you know how many votes to need to "find" and have weeks to do so.
Congress needs to pass a law about what date the race is decided. A month after election day is far, far, far too long.
Give them three days. That is it. If the count is not done, c'est la vie.
You could do it within minutes of polls closing. I've spouted this before, I'll try to keep it shorter.
All in-person voting. You use a computer screen. When you're ready to submit, it prints a receipt showing all your votes, the polling station, a random 128 bit ballot ID, and a crypto signature. You can use a phone app to verify the signature. You compare it to the screen and leave. Multiple poll watchers count every voter, published in real time; just count, no ID or anything.
At close of polls, publish every single ballot on a web site, downloadable as a CSV file. Now everyone can:
1. Verify their own ballot receipt against the published receipt.
2. Count the votes.
3. Compare vote totals to the final poll watcher totals.
If only one out of a hundred voters actually check their receipt, it makes it way too risky for changing ballots.
If poll watcher counts differ more than just a little, from each other or the published totals, rehold the election.
I like it.
My state largely works this way, except the trackign receipt.
At the check-in, after presenting ID and getting cross-checked against the voter rolls, a blank cardstock ballot is inserted into a printer that encodes my district information on the blank. I take the ballot to a computer than scans the thing like a QR-code to load my district information (this helps early in-person voting where different districts may all vote in the same place) into the computer. I click all selections, and complete my ballot, which is printed on again by the voting machine's printer.
The resulting ballot is human-readable, and I'm encouraged by the machine as it disgorges my ballot and signage all around the room to verify all my selections are properly printed.
Finally, I walk across the room and I insert my ballot into a tabulator, which scans it AND retains it for manual recounts.
I would like to have a "tracking number" receipt and to be able to verify it was counted and my selections were registered properly after the fact. A few million "personal audits" are a good cross check on certain kinds of shenanigans.
And it could dump all ballots to a web site within minutes of the polls closing.
The only drawback is that if your ballot doesn't match, you have to show your votes in public to challenge it. On the other hand, if there's a $1000 reward for showing a corrupt ballot, a lot of people would deem that worth losing their secrecy.
"Give them three days. That is it. If the count is not done, c'est la vie."
Who is doing the counting is more consequential than how long the counters take. But a law preventing partisans from being involved with the counting would be an improvement. If pigeons can be trained to detect lung cancer in chest xrays, then surely their talents could be put to use on election day.
Would love to see the ratio of democrat votes and republican votes on the ballots that were counted as late as last week. 9:1? 20:1? Skies the limit!
>>do lend credence to the idea
why so soft? fuck that be aggressive. b-e-a-g-g-r-e-s-s-i-v-e
vast numbers of government officials lied to us, sacrificing our health and wellbeing for…what, exactly?
power.
Why hasn't Fauci been called before some UN agency for causing millions of deaths and destroying much of the world's economy?
Of course, if that’s your goal, crashing and disrupting the economy…
exactly.
>>Pandemic-era school closures will have enduring impact on generations of America's children
closed conformity factories should have created a positive enduring impact.
>>As for the future, the report makes good, decisive recommendations about how pandemics ought to be dealt with
fuck them. how about first those assholes don't release another pandemic upon us?
"As soon as we finish with the recommendations in the The *Presidential* 9/11 Commission Report we'll get right to work on The... uh... [picks up report, dons 'readers'] The House Select Subcommittee On The Coronavirus Pandemic's report."
everyone knows Ford was a stooge they still won't come clean on his hands in Kennedy and Nixon
>>assisted dying ... should be a concierge service
you and Zach Weismuller suffer from difficulty with word definitions.
Is South Korea starting to look like North Korea, or is it just me?
Racist!
I think it's just you.
They all look alike.
mho Rommelmann has the pardon take backwards. Hunter wasn't using Brandon, Brandon was using Hunter.
>>Zepbound, a weight-loss drug, has outperformed Wegovy in head-to-head trials.
they're all guilty.
The jig is already up. It's known that there's a sizable population of non-responders, that the trial results exceed the population results by quite a bit, and the long term efficacy and "subclinical" effects (turns out people who were killing themselves by eating really like to eat and start to miss it after a while) make it about as "miraculously effective" as fen/phen or bariatric surgery.
Back in my day [cinches onion to belt], school, health classes, caffeine pills, and even just beauty magazines came with an advisement against or whispers of the specter of teen girls and male wrestlers voluntarily starving themselves to death.
my mother hid the Dexatrim
And let's not forget the trouble Jessie Spano had when she became addicted to caffeine pills. If it wasn't for Zack, I don't know what would have happened.
I read that the original episode was scripted to have Jessie have a speed problem (amphetamines), but the network thought that was too "adult" of a problem for a kids sitcom, so they changed it to caffeine pills. The reactions of the rest of the gang and Jessie's spazzing out makes more sense when viewed that way.
I can believe it. But it makes a good meme.
>>The American Federation of Government Employees, a union
by its own definition should not exist.
In case you’ve been missing him:
“Matt Yglesias tipping exactly 10% to his DoorDash driver and then posting it on Twitter is the least surprising thing I’ve seen all week”
https://x.com/ingelramdecoucy/status/1864315837366079663
I’m not missing him.
Do you expect him to cook his own food?
the fuck douchebag tips 10% it's not 1989
At least round the tip or the total bill *up* to the nearest dollar, you sick fuck.
can't tell if waiter or waitress lol.
Yeah, tip for delivery. I'm still not going to tip for counter service though.
Covid report tldr
All the conspiricy theorists were 100% correct 4 years ago and the gov did nothing but lie from the start
"Instead of coming together with Democrats to get ahead of future viruses or fortify America's public health infrastructure and workforce ..." BWAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahaaaaaa!
So the Dems complained about partisanship from the Repubs in the form of refusing to recognize the partisan agenda of the Dems? Everything in the report was true, but the majority failed to reach across the aisle to hand the minority a fig leaf? How MEAN of them!
Of course, "getting ahead of future viruses" and "fortify[ing] America's public health infrastructure" are both IMPOSSIBLE, but never mind ...
People ask me all the time how I got so deep into Ukraine, and how I knew to look where I was looking.
The enemy told me.
They told on themselves, when they unleashed an Orwellian censorship campaign on me, for getting too close to the answer.
Their panic showed me the way.
I wrote one viral Twitter thread about US-funded biolabs in Ukraine, it caused a global media stir, I was nuked on all social media simultaneously, IP addresses blacklisted, MSM/fact-checkers wrote hundreds of articles ‘debunking’ me, and the US government started wiping their own embassy pages where I got the information. Only for Victoria Nuland herself to prove me correct, just a couple weeks later in public testimony.
At that moment in February 2022, I knew that I had stumbled onto something way bigger than I had ever imagined, and found myself right in the middle of it. So I abandoned my job, dedicated everything to independent journalism, and I’ve been hellbent on exposing it ever since.
The enemy’s reaction confirmed they were desperate to cover this up for whatever reason, and destroyed my life for getting too close to their secret. You receive the most flak when over the target, and boy, did I receive a lot of flak.
So if you’re ever wondering why it is I’m obsessed with Ukraine, it’s because the enemy told me that this is what they fear most.
It’s not a guess.
https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1864048304935330273
And the Biden family is into it up to their corrupt ears.
How long ago was the....
"Rand Paul[R] is just a conspiracy theorist..."
being touted inside the "ministry of truth" media outlets????
Democrats have a real problem with self-awareness.