Brazilian President Blames Markets for Inequality. He's Wrong.
Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva blames neoliberalism for the very problems it solves.

Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva railed against free markets at the Group of 20 (G20) social summit on Saturday. Lula's remarks reflect credulity in the ability of technocrats to solve social ills and an ignorance of economic history.
The first G20 summit convened in September 2008 to respond to the financial crisis, promote global economic and stability. While the G20 has historically viewed these goals through the lens of its political and financial pillars, this year's summit marked the addition of a social pillar, which Lula described as "where the collective will and expression takes shape."
In his speech, Lula argued that more bureaucratic intervention in daily life is required because "neoliberalism has worsened the economic and political inequality." But the opposite is true. From 1975 to 2015—the neoliberal era—incomes converged internationally. The worldwide Gini coefficient, a measure of economic inequality, decreased from 68.7 to 64.9 between 2003 and 2013 and is projected to fall to 61.3 by 2035, according to economists Tomas Hellebrandt and Paolo Mauro.
Meanwhile, the number of free countries has nearly doubled from 44 in 1973 to 84 in 2023, according to Freedom House, a nonprofit that assesses the global state of political rights and civil liberties.
Lula also called for the permanent mobilization of member countries to "drive forward the work of the Global Alliance against Hunger and Poverty and advance on the taxation of the super-rich." Ending hunger and poverty are laudable goals, but they are achieved through production, not taxation.
Thanks to the industrial revolution, capitalism, and international trade, "the number of people in extreme poverty fell from over a billion to 700 million, while the number of people better off than that rose from a mere 60 million to 6.6 billion" from 1820 to 2015, per Human Progress. To further eliminate poverty and ameliorate human suffering, we must adopt pro-growth policies that allow some to become incredibly wealthy by providing still more value for their fellow man. For example, while Bill Gates' net worth is $104 billion, Microsoft's market capitalization, a measure of firm value, is $3.085 trillion—with a "t."
Lula painted capitalism as a system that discounts the will of the people, encouraging governments "to break off the growing dissonance between 'the voice of the markets' and the 'voice of the streets.'" In reality, the free market is a representative system in which "each man can vote, as it were, for the color of tie he wants and get it," as Milton Friedman explained in Capitalism and Freedom.
If Lula really wants to "reduce the cost of living and promote more balanced working hours," he should advocate for liberty, not bureaucracy.
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Communists are retardedly wrong about market economics?
Again?
How unusual!
The two factors are policy and behaviour and must both be separately addressed.
From a behaviour perspective, the two issues are corruption and honesty. They affect any policy. Criminalizing lying will address that issue.
From a policy perspective the issue is that the world is a closed system. Necessary resources are limited so greed, the free market, doesn’t work. You wouldn’t want it as policy on a mars colony either.
Therefore honest management of resources is the key to our survival.
The problem with criminalizing lying is that the people seek out positions of power tend to be really shitty people, so the result would be liars having the power to determine truth and dole out punishment.
Misek’s particular problem with criminalizing lying should be that he would be the first person up against the wall.
It’s such a bizarre hobby horse for someone who holds his beliefs. Does he think that dumb Nazi holocausst deniers are going to be in charge of the ministry of truth?
He just wants to criminalize Jews. Because Jews are ‘always lying’.
“”so the result would be liars determining what is the truth and doling out punishments.””
For some, that’s a feature not a bug.
“…From a policy perspective the issue is that the world is a closed system. Necessary resources are limited so greed, the free market, doesn’t work…”
Misek, on top of being a Nazi, is:
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Your issue is that you’re a useless antisemitic POS, Misek.
I’ll bet he tells his pals back at Stormfront how he wins all his arguments here.
Criminalizing lying will address that issue.
All you need is to establish a Ministry of Truth. What could possibly go wrong?
I sometimes wonder if the people responding to my comments are a representative sample of society or are they just really stupid.
Probably both. These fuckwits wouldn’t recognize logic if they tripped over it, got up, looked at it, and tripped over it again.
Honest people don’t hold positions of power because the corrupt don’t want them to. Lying can be proven. When it’s criminalized, liars won’t be in power.
Proving me lying, refuting what I’ve said, is something none of these fuckwits have ever done. It beats me how they think I’d ever be found guilty of lying.
Queue the next retarded fuckwit to bleat “refuted”.
We have vastly superior intellect and education. While you are a ranting an anti semitic bigot. You make insane claims here backed up by fringe elements with no credibility. No amount of logic or violence will sway you. As you are a raving fanatical idiot. You’re a running joke at best, and an annoyance at worst. Even the pedophile Marxists here despise you. Yet you maintain the delusion that you will sway anyone.
You won’t. So just head back to Stormfront, or whatever Jihadi terrorist site where you get all the bullshit you post here. And fuck off.
Buh bye. Oh, and refuted.
Right on queue.
Policy is ‘Guns’. ‘Guns’ don’t make sh*t.
Policy is a self-fulfilling prophecy to zero-sum resources.
As seen countless times in socialist nations.
As far as being zero-sum at the natural resources level…
E=mc2. Einstein says that’s complete BS.
What are you, 12 years old?
When energy is unlimited and free, what do you think will happen to the “free market”?
More than your dull mind could ever comprehend.
The irony.
“honest management” is a horrible way to say ensure Justice.
There is nothing ‘just’ about others ?free? ponies.
Maybe I incorrectly interpreted what your “honest management” entailed but I doubt it.
So just to clarify … “free market” is the opposite of ?free? ponies. It is free of Gov-Gun centrally-planned “management”.
The free market is a weapon, a “gun”. Just not exclusively government..
The free market didn’t provide for “E=mc2“ .If it wasn’t “managed honestly”, people or communities could be boycotted or even denied access to life giving resources to coerce them. Thats genocide. If one group anquires all the resources why wouldn’t they?
Unlimited free energy (free “ponies”) makes life better,, and makes the free market less relevant. Energy will no longer be “traded”.
Therefore when life is best, everything is available to everyone, the free market will have no relevance at all and it will no longer be able be used to coerce, a “gun”.
The only ‘Gun’ in a free-market is to ensure Liberty and Justice for all. You literally just wrote a big poopy pile of contradiction trying to flip the definition of “free market” with Gov-Gun central “management”.
“If one group acquires all the resources why wouldn’t they?”
You’re either playing the zero-sum resources game.
Else you should rightfully be entirely concerned about Gov-Guns acquiring (STEALING) all those resources as the “One-Group” with ‘Guns’ collectivist mindset.
Indeed. “when life is best, everything is available to everyone” willing to *EARN* that everything without Gov-Guns “managing” the distribution of them in any other way then to ensure Individual Liberty and Justice for all. Your human-used/needed supplies don’t fall from the clouds like a God of Gifts; they require labor and modifications.
Your not doing anything but playing psycho-babble games trying to CHEAT people out of what they *EARNED*/own.
Do you know what refute means?
It means proving something wrong.
Do you think that you’ve met that criteria? Do you even care if you have? Or do you just like to see your words on a website? Too bad for you that you don’t have the courage to be recognized for writing them.
Identify even one thing you’ve written that refutes anything I said or recognize that you can’t.
That would constitute dialogue. I didn’t respond to you. You responded to me.
You, “Therefore honest management of resources is the key to our survival.”
Ironically; You yourself refuted your own statement by twisting and turning the concepts of a “free market” into Gov-managed (contradictory mindset). You cried about a “free market” having complete control of all the resources while you lobbied for One-Government to control all the resources.
Your own thoughts refute themselves.
I’m just pointing that out so you’re not sounding so stupid.
I did say honest management is the key to our survival but I never contradicted myself.
If an honest government controls our resources, honestly, that is not the same as the free market which may be corrupt controlling our resources.
They are two entirely different things because one is honest and the other may be corrupt.
Like I said, there is no contradiction.
I do appreciate your effort to refute what I said though. You recognize that it’s important. Keep practicing.
“Brazilian President Blames Markets for Inequality. He’s Wrong.”
Yeah, that’s what socialist vermin do.
They blame their economic failures on capitalism and never on their repeatedly failed policies.
The socialists just don’t get it: Socialism is built to fail. Communism is built to murder.
Socialism is built to fail. Communism is built to murder.
It’s specifically a convoluted rationalization of these things yes. It’s OK to impoverish some people and kill others because it’s the divine order of the Universe as intuited and interpreted by a crusty old white guy with gray hair and a beard.
…because feudal societies were famous for their equality of income and wealth. [/sarc]
“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” (WSC)
Lula also appears to believe that economics is a zero-sum game.
This was the meeting where Biden wandered off into the jungle?
Americans attending the summit refused to be photographed with Lavrov.
They should ban all photo ops for these. It would save the taxpayers, some money. The only reason to do these in person is for the photo op. And if they are really that important, just have Google Gemini create one of Black Biden and Black Lavrov standing side by side in blissful unity.
He looks a bit like the old white guy with coffee mug meme:
https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/99465667/Old-man-cup-of-coffee
Economic inequality is a sign that your economy is still at least partly free, so people who work harder, or plan better, or have more talent are able to create more value and keep more of it for themselves.
Countries like Cuba and North Korea that enforce equality are among the poorest in the world, with shared misery. Countries that are free become prosperous, with more money left over to protect the environment and support the truly needy.
I note that it’s not monotonic. When GINI gets too large, that indicates that the economy has become less free, with powerful actors having too much control, whether through corruption, oligopoly, etc. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_inequality
When GINI gets too large, that indicates that the economy has become less free, with powerful actors having too much control, whether through corruption, oligopoly, etc. See
It can mean that, but when it does we should address the corruption and not use it as a pretext to take from everyone without regard to whether their earnings were corrupt. The fact that leftists effectively never do this shows they aren’t focused on it, it’s just a pretext.
That’s very plausible. I think many on the left simply do not believe that it’s possible to become very wealthy without corruption or criminality or at least immorality.
But these economies aren’t really equal. The party in control loots the wealth of everyone else. The party enjoys great wealth. If you measure the inequality it is actually worse.
To make it even worse, economic mobility doesn’t exist at all. The only pathway is revolution. You have to destroy the current party in control.
^THIS. Socialist countries have massively more inequality and wealth difference than Capitalist countries do. Course socialists know this. Their socialist pride isn’t about their BS face-advertisements; it’s all about the ability to ‘Gov-Gun’ down others to their criminal benefit (i.e. ‘armed-theft’).
He has to blame markets. The economic system in his country, so corrupt and full of cronyism (which I’m sure he is part of) is incorrectly referred to as a market. It is not completely controlled by him (others are getting bribes too) so he has to want it eliminated.
Pace Animal House – “they can’t rip off our people! Only we can rip off our people!”
A meeting of 20 useless cunts.