Abolish Social Security
Stop robbing poor, hard-working Peter to pay well-off, retired Paul.

Social Security is not a retirement fund—it's a transfer program, taking income from the payrolls of current workers and giving it to retirees. Generally, these retirees are already wealthier than the workers subsidizing them. Social Security's retirement payments (Old-Age and Survivors Insurance) should be phased out because of the program's unsustainable and regressive nature, freeing workers to better use their earnings to plan for their own retirement.
This should be easy to grasp: Retirees have had a lifetime to work, pay off their mortgages as their homes appreciate in value, and let their retirement accounts grow. Meanwhile, young workers are starting at the bottom of the labor market, have much less in savings to draw on in case of emergency, and often struggle to make rental payments or find an affordable home to buy. The median household wealth of those under 35 years old is $30,500, compared to $341,400 for the 65- to-69-year-old age group, according to the latest Census Bureau data from 2021.
Who do you think can better handle a financial emergency? It's retirees, according to 2023 data from the Federal Reserve's Survey of Household Economics and Decisionmaking. Only 39 percent of people aged 18–29 have three months of emergency savings, compared to 69 percent of the 64-plus age group. "The same pattern holds for nearly every financial question the Fed survey asks," writes Andrew G. Biggs of the American Enterprise Institute.
Perhaps the retirement payments would be more defensible if their taxation hit only the wealthy and the benefits went only to retirees with little income or savings. But most aspects of Social Security are not means tested. That means very wealthy people receive core Social Security benefits. Forcing workers to fund current retirees is indefensible, and forcing poor workers to help rich retirees is contemptible. (The other element of Social Security, payments to people with disabilities, is not regressive. It is also odd to house it in the same program as a retirement plan.)
Even if the program were progressive, or at least not regressive, it still robs Peter to pay Paul. "But retirees aren't stealing from workers; we paid into Social Security and earned those benefits," outraged baby boomers and present workers alike might respond.
Aren't contributors entitled to receive as much money as they paid? You'd think so, but legally it's not the case. That's why Social Security's pay-as-you-go setup is as morally bankrupt as the program's so-called trust fund—mere claims on Treasury deposits—is financially so.
In Flemming v. Nestor (1960), the Supreme Court ruled that workers "have no legally binding contractual or property right to their Social Security benefits." No matter how much you paid in payroll taxes for decades, Congress could cut or take away your Social Security benefits.
There is "no direct relationship" between the taxes a generation (involuntarily) pays into Social Security and the benefits that generation eventually receives, explains Michael Tanner, senior fellow at the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity. In short, a dollar a worker pays into Social Security now isn't saved for his or her retirement—it briefly goes into the Treasury's coffers before being sent to retirees.
Lacking rights to Social Security benefits is not surprising considering the trust fund is not an investment portfolio but a mere accounting mechanism. Don't take my word for it; read what the Clinton administration's Office of Management and Budget had to say: Trust fund balances "are available to finance future benefit payments and other trust fund expenditures—but only in a bookkeeping sense." Today, the main source of the fund's revenue is not interest earnings on Treasury deposits (4 percent of total revenue) or taxes on Social Security benefits (5 percent) but the payroll tax (90 percent).
Social Security's trust fund fits the Securities and Exchange Commission's definition of a Ponzi scheme as "an investment fraud that involves the payment of purported returns to existing investors from funds contributed by new investors." In other words, the payment of purported returns to retirees from taxes contributed by current workers, who will later have returns funded by future workers, and so on and so forth.
Ponzi schemes are unsustainable; Social Security is no exception. The 2024 Trustees Report states that Social Security's costs have exceeded noninterest revenue since 2010. The program's benefit payments have exceeded total revenue (including interest) since 2021, and the trust fund's reserves (read: claims on Treasury deposits) are projected to be depleted by 2033.
When that day comes—barring major reforms from politicians who have largely shown little to negative interest in doing so—Social Security will be forced to automatically cut benefits by about 20 percent. Instead of waiting, stop robbing poor, hard-working Peter to pay well-off, retired Paul. Abolish Social Security.
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Put social security in a Sarco Pod. And don’t replace it with some other type of retarded socialist mandate, program, requirement, set aside, lockbox, etc.
Hey now. As sarc taught us hyping Chase yesterday, abolish means replacing it with something else.
That’s right, you can’t just get rid of something without a plan.
The real war crime during the second world war was when the Allies did not have a jobs program lined up for the concentration camp guards they caused to become unemployed.
Abolish? No.
Privatize? Yes.
Why? You don't think rational people would save for their retirements without government forcing them to?
Based on 401K data, no most people would not save. Most Americans the company had to auto enroll in. I mean people weren't even putting in the company match.
"New 401(k) plans will soon be required to automatically enroll participants in the plan. This provision of the SECURE 2.0 Act, which was passed in December 2022, is designed to increase employee participation in retirement accounts."
Also, type in 401K withdraws. People use it as an emergency fund .
Most people don't go in and rebalance or even look at it besides the statements.
I'm for what you want, just in reality it will take so much education currently. Maybe that would change without SS, but a lot of people are short sighted.
I agree.
The individual would make much more money for retirement if they allow a private company to make their investment for them instead of only getting one or two percent with SS.
Exactly. And their family gets the proceeds upon death.
If SS is a Ponzi scheme, then all retirees are “victims” of the scheme. You can’t just hand-wave all those victims away: oopsy, you paid payroll taxes for 50 years with the understanding that you’d get retirement benefits, but no soup for you, you got scammed?
Obviously, a generational wealth transfer scheme is going to take an entire generation to unwind. And I've yet to hear any idea on how to do the unwinding.
How about lets start with reforming it and making it better.
1) If one person paid into SS, then only one person can receive benefits at a time - no mutual spousal benefits. If there is a reduced benefit election, and the spouse survives the recipient, then the spouse can continue to receive benefits after the worker spouse dies.
2) If you worked, and spousal benefits are more than you would receive based on your own wages, too bad, you get out based on what you paid in.
3) If you marry after starting to collect SS, then your spouse is not eligible to collect benefits.
4) If you are unmarried at the time you start collecting benefits, then former spouses are not eligible for spousal benefits.
The hole in your scheme is that unlike every other form of retirement funds or asset class, SS benefits aren't inheritable. If you work for 50 years paying 15% of your income as payroll taxes and then die on the day you retire, what happens to your benefits? A portion gets sent to your surviving spouse and dependents (if any by that point). The rest is just lost.
What you suggest would not return even the portion sent to the survivors. Your entire "investment" (insurance premium payments, really) would be forfeit.
Obviously no one is going to go for that.
Furthermore, your scheme fails to recognize the difference between income and wealth. Wealth is created by having more income than expenses. A person working full time to reduce spending by providing expensive services themselves and by extending the useful life of assets can add significant "sweat equity" to the family. So much so, that in most cases, having to hire out and continually buy new can *cost* more than can be earned in income. A net loss.
So focusing only on the income side, forcing everyone to earn a salary instead of building equity, would have the effect of keeping people more poor than otherwise.
Security for [Na]tional Socialists is the most Anti-American legislation ever passed by FDR[D]-trifecta.
All the Welfare anyone ever needed for survival has always been provided in the prison system. (i.e. If you plan to live at others enslavement; you can do it in prison not a free-willy criminal spree).
And how much does it cost to house an aging prisoner who needs lots of medical care?
A HECK of a lot less than it costs to house them in their million-$ homes with emergency rides to medical care facilities. In fact it's a million-$ cheaper if that be the case just by being required to pay one's own bills.
It’s about ensuring Justice for all. Where’s Justice in allowing the aging citizens to funnel off the labor/wages of others just because they don’t want to pay their own bills/responsibilities? Is carelessness and lack of preparation really an excuse to STEAL?
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme that somehow became a tax on income.
Only in America.
The best way to reform SS is to privatize it and allow the individual to determine what investments they want for their retirement.
But we all know the powers that be in DC would never allow that because that would be surrendering their power to the masses, an ideal the ruling elites fear and loathe.
D.C. – the richest area in the nation that produces nothing at all.
When you say “power” it's all about the “power” to STEAL.
Social Security is not a retirement fund—it's a transfer program, taking income from the payrolls of current workers and giving it to retirees.
It is neither a retirement fund nor a transfer program. It a multi-trillion dollar Ponzi scheme. It is long past time to jail the politicians who have allowed this criminal enterprise to exist.
"Generally, these retirees are already wealthier than the workers subsidizing them. "
Presented with no facts. No, they are not. In fact most seniors live check to check. A lot of american's haven't saved.
"The median household wealth of those under 35 years old is $30,500, compared to $341,400 for the 65- to-69-year-old age"
Wait Jack, you are telling us that someone that worked 40+ years has move wealth than someone starting out. Who knew? You do realize it's wealth so that takes into account a house. You kicking them out on the street?