To Fight Donald Trump, the Media Contemplates Vast Censorship
"It would help if we could regulate social media," said The View's Sara Haines.

The sheer impressiveness of Donald Trump's Election Day victory continues to grow, with the former president winning not just all of the swing states, but probably the popular vote, the Senate, and possibly even the House of Representatives. Trump also exercises much greater control over his party than he did previously. This is an utter rout for the Democratic Party, and one that will clear the way for the implementation of GOP policy goals on a scale hitherto undreamt of (at least since 2004).
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Democratic officials and pundits know that this is bad, though not all of them are willing to admit that the main fault lies with their candidate, Vice President Kamala Harris. If she does not deserve all of the blame, it is only because she shares it with President Joe Biden, whose stubborn decision to seek reelection despite his advanced age and declining cognitive abilities compromised both of their candidacies. Various commentators have lashed out, not at Harris, but at Americans.
MSNBC's Joy Reid, for instance, maintained that Harris's campaign was historic and "flawlessly run" because…Queen Latifah endorsed Harris. Seriously:
JOY REID: Kamala Harris was a "historic, flawlessly run" campaign pic.twitter.com/sJMhcfVYxO
— HOT SPOT (@HotSpotHotSpot) November 6, 2024
Kamala Harris did not fail the American people; the voters failed Kamala Harris. They also failed Queen Latifah, one supposes.
The explanation that Harris lost because the voters are too racist to accept her will always have a certain amount of appeal among the progressive pundit class. Of course, this theory runs into obvious trouble: Harris seemingly lost ground with virtually every demographic, including black and Latino voters. As for the argument that the electorate is biased against woman candidates, there may be some underlying truth to that—but it's important to note that Harris lost even more spectacularly than Hillary Clinton. Either the voters became much more sexist—not entirely persuasive—or there is something else going on.
X Marks the Spot
What is that other thing? The explanation likely to receive star billing from progressives is an increasingly familiar one: social media misinformation. MSNBC host Jen Psaki cited the dangers of disinformation and propaganda on X—the site run by ardent Trump backer, adviser, and billionaire Elon Musk—as a reason to fear Musk's influence over Trump. And earlier in the week, before she knew Harris would lose, Psaki advised Democrats to take action against social media companies in order to "limit the lies that they can spread."
The hosts of The View sounded a similar note on their postelection episode.
"It would help if we could regulate social media," said Sara Haines. "DC and Congress have not been able to do one thing in regard to the rogue corporations of social media."
The View: We must censor social media to prevent this from happening again pic.twitter.com/JjwM8YQwqN
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) November 6, 2024
It's true that outright lies and conspiracy theories flourish on social media, though one can also consume bad information on television, on the radio, in print, in books, and during in-person conversation. Prestigious journalistic institutions make serious errors: For instance, more than four years later, Politico has still not corrected a flagrantly misleading headline, "Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say." The laptop is not disinformation, and moreover, the intelligence officials did not claim that it was. (They said it resembled Russian disinformation.)
Critics of the establishment progressive worldview often call attention to the Hunter Biden laptop story because it is both a prominent example of the Democrats, national security experts, and media elites getting something wrong and a prominent example of the concept of disinformation being wielded in bad faith. Civil libertarians are right to fear that the increasingly desperate calls to criminalize false information online—or otherwise punish the platforms for not policing it effectively—will result in the censorship of legitimate speech; the fact-checkers, disinformation watchdog organizations, and government agents have not proven themselves to be particularly adept at identifying actual disinformation.
Calls from cable news pundits for government to do something to regulate social media more aggressively should be recognized as self-serving. Traditional media institutions recognize and resent that social media platforms are a boon to alternative, contrarian, and libertarian perspectives: They allow independent writers, thinkers, and commentators to reach audiences without relying on legacy organizations.
It's important to recognize that heavy-handed regulation of social media—something proposed by many Democrats and Republicans alike—would not merely reduce online misinformation, it would destroy the independent media ecosystem entirely. Provisions like Section 230, which protects social media companies from liability for user-generated content, allow the internet to function the way it does. That's a good thing for the platforms, for free speech, and for contrarian perspectives—and a bad thing for traditional media gatekeepers.
It's also striking that Democrats and media figures do not hesitate to denounce Trump's brazen and authoritarian tendencies, but fail to recognize that threatening, intimidating, and regulating social media companies until they agree to crack down on disfavored speech is itself an authoritarian action.
If Democrats really think they can't beat Trump unless they gut online speech protections, surveil social media companies, and deal a blow to the First Amendment, they should get used to the authoritarian moniker.
This Week on Free Media
I'm joined by Emily Jashinsky of Undercurrents and Counter Points to discuss all the latest election news: the media's reaction to Trump's victory, Republican gains with Latinos, whether Musk will influence the Trump administration in a libertarian direction, and Jen Psaki's explanation for Harris's loss.
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I finally picked up the latest Zelda game, The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom. It's great!
EoW is a top-down 2D game that nevertheless incorporates plenty of side-scrolling, with a similar artistic style as the Link's Awakening remake. The graphics are gorgeous—the world of Hyrule, and the characters and creatures who inhabit it, really come alive. Check out these Deku Scrubs (a recurring Zelda race):
i love how the deku scrubs in Echoes of Wisdom are portrayed as like aesthetic metropolitan climbers obsessed with doing drugs for the explicit purpose of seeming cool pic.twitter.com/Qt2EzAb7s0
— karter (@karterAKA) November 5, 2024
The game is drawing praise for being the first Zelda title in which the starring, playable character is actually Princess Zelda rather than Link. But what's really extraordinary about EoW is that it successfully marries the large, open-world concept of the smash hit games Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom with the more linear storyline and traditional structure of beloved past Zelda titles. In other words, this is exactly what I was looking for. Bravo, Nintendo!
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Vice President elect JD Vance is wrong about censorship.
Isn’t he also wrong about being wrong about censorship?
Just tragically wrong. Also TARIFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What business is “the media” in that it needs to “fight” Trump?
I think we agree here. I was wondering why the media should be 'fighting' anyone. Just do your damn job and report the facts.
Apparently that’s not their job anymore. Was it ever?
Maybe Reason just made a Freudian slip.
Appropriately. Since it was Freud and his nephew Edward Bernays who developed modern propaganda by reverse engineering psychosis.
The media masters lead the masses around by their emotional noses.
“JD Vance is the most pathetic creature to ever enter Politics”
Nick Gillespie, overheard at TFP cocktail party
Someone has serious envy -jealousy issues:
Acts his age?
Power?
His wife?
Lifting himself out of extreme poverty?
His ability to answer the specifics of leftist press questions?
Rogan?
His manhood package?
People know who he is, name recognition? (Unlike a nobody like Nick)
The sheer impressiveness of Donald Trump's Election Day victory continues to grow, with the former president winning not just all of the swing states, but probably the popular vote, the Senate, and possibly even the House of Representatives.
California is holding everything up. By around 6 am Wednesday, they had 54.01% of the vote counted. Now it's up to 55.32%. Hours and hours pass with no updates. What the fuck is even happening when it comes to counting votes there?
I want to say that Trump won the popular vote, and say it definitively, but I can't say it with any certainty while there's still over 8 million ballots just sitting there not being counted. There's also some important house races that may determine the victory and California is doing nothing.
I could understand this more if votes were coming in a long, slow trickle-this is seemingly the case in Alaska, Arizona, and Nevada. California's totals are just frozen and unmoving. What the fuck is even happening there?
California is doing nothing.
They may be doing something.
100% chance.
Something tells me that Trump did far better with California Latinos than Sacramento wants to admit.
Trying to print another 5 million ballots with just Harris/Walz marked as the sole vote takes time.
I think they are waiting on the homeless vote to make up the four million deficit.
One of the more serious proposals for Republican action when they take control early next year, is some reform of election administration. I think that really does need to be done. The idea of these outlier jurisdictions taking weeks to count, long after the election, and sometimes they matter, is absurd.
Congress has the authority to do something about it.
This guy gets it:
On the first bolded statement... you know who else likes to point to arcane federal data to prove that things like crime isn't 'skyrocketing', even while the zombies are coming through our front windows?
On the second bolded part I... yeah, there's really nothing more that can be said about this. Oh I will remember 'til the day I die those 50 migrants that arrived on Barack Obama's cul-de-sac that changed the migration conversation in America forever...
Don't forget that Joe Biden was as sharp as a tack, until immediately after [well, it took a couple of days] June 27th.
Yes, the level of mendacity goes somewhere beyond gaslighting. Somewhere into the ether, I think.
Or averred that Biden was sharp as a tack and that anyone who suggested otherwise was a jerk.
"Republicans pounce!"
Joe came out today and made a conciliatory speech about Trump's victory. I can't actually listen to anything he says but I was struck by the fact that he walked up to the podium with a spring in his step and he seemed to be in an uncharacteristically good mood. Almost like he was happy to see Kamala get her ass kicked.
If I am to believe my reliable, yet unconfirmed sources, the president and her husband are not… happy about what the Democrats did to them. He was both publicly and semi-privately* angrily defiant in his refusal to step down as the candidate for 2024. It was literally a couple of days later that we got type-written memo that he would neither seek, nor accept the nomination.
*I say ‘semi-private* because that was based on a dnc party meeting with about a hundred people on it, and the transcript was leaked.
I was conspicuous, and widely talked about, that nobody saw him publicly for days after the announcement that he was dropping out of the race in favor of Harris. I still wonder if he was actually the guy who made that call, or was even informed about it before hand.
He's happy because what he thinks of as his "legacy of accomplishments" has survived intact. If Kamala had gotten in there, at some point, she would have had to jettison them as unsustainable thus giving them a black eye for history.
On the first bolded statement… you know who else likes to point to arcane federal data to prove that things like crime isn’t ‘skyrocketing’, even while the zombies are coming through our front windows?
It goes both ways though.
National-level statistical data on crime do not necessarily prove anything about the crime situation in Seattle. But an anecdote about a Starbucks closing in Seattle doesn't prove that the national-level statistics are false. Is that too much to admit?
On the other hand, pretty much every single major data point released by the administration for the last 3.75 years being revised to be more disfavorable for them after a period of time would certainly have heavy implications.
The View is most useful as a source to document terrible ideas to avoid at all costs.
Its secondary purpose appears to be to show us how completely uninformed/misinformed and out-of-touch affluent liberal women actually are.
Third: A primary example of how the Corporate Media Industrial Complex intend to keep it that way.
"To Fight Donald Trump, the Media Contemplates Vast Censorship"
Who is the dictator?
Whomever they tell you. If it [the outrageous level of lying] weren't so sad it might be funny.
The dictator is the President elected by the people. He must be defeated at every turn to save Democracy from those poor disinformed voters!
"...and possibly even the House of Representatives."
Currently 210 Republicans, and 13 [6 from CA, which seems to have stopped counting votes?] leaning that way.
Not many people seem to be even talking about California's vote totals remaining static. It's the sort of thing that, by this point, SOMEONE should have had an update on, even if it's a lame excuse (too many late arriving ballots, COVID, vote tabulation machines needed to be turned off and then back on again). But I can't even find people asking questions about why California seemingly has only counted 1% of their ballots in the past 36 hours.
Are they all absentee/mail-in ballots that are missing? Are the counted votes in-person votes? I can't find any information on it.
That is disturbing, to say the least.
It seems this time around there has been a serious effort in most places to interdict the would-be fraudsters. I hope there are lots of people watching California like hawks.
It would never happen, but imagine the pants pooping if Trump flipped California.
Their replacement ballot printer blew the breaker. They are waiting on an environmental study to be completed so that they can get a Union electrician to order a replacement. The company that makes the breaker is in Texas and they are having a problem getting a waiver for their law that forbids them to deal with Texas.
They would never have let that happen except that by some extreme irony, the printer they used to print the phony waivers is the same one that blew the breaker.
Has anyone seen a vote tally on the outcome of the Jesus Caucus Quislings and voice Talent Kennedy mugging the legitimate Libertarian candidate in a dark alley?
Has anyone seen the brains of a a 90 year old drug addict who's still stuck to the labels and paradigms of the 70s?
You are The Man now, Hank. You're the square. You are the establishment. You're the Nazi. You're the church lady. You are the system. You are the institutional power.
Cry harder Hank, it amuses me.
I've never been able to figure out how to even begin to play a computer/video game. I've tried several times over the past 30+ years and quit w/o getting through the first screen or level or whatever it is called.
You aren’t missing anything.
My brother got a Commodore 64 back in the 80s; I was at his house one day and spent HOURS figuring out how to land a spaceship, shoot down an airplane, or something. I realized then and there what a tremendous and depressing waste of time it was.
Had the original Atari 30 years ago. Never mastered Donkey Kong. But my 5 year old son did.
> My brother got a Commodore 64 back in the 80s...
I received a hand-me-down TRS80. No hard drive. I had to load the operating system from cassette tapes every time I booted it up.
To play a version of Space Invaders, I had to code the program (copying lines of code from a book that came with the computer) first.
. . . I've been a legacy business applications programmer for nearly 30 years.
used to write simple games on trash-80s in school lol
My buddy had "B-1 Bomber" on his Commodore. After figuring out I could--even when damaged--send Hound Dog missiles off it carrying 550-kiloton warheads on any bearing after unscheduled targets not on my Primary or Secondary target lists, I tried to run the code on a Kaypro. It never worked. One theory was that some of the lines of code matched the text and background colors so you couldn't see them. After that, Leisure Suit Larry zapped the competition, though some friends swear by Duke Nukem and Ringworld.
After taking a Fortran II programming course, I programmed our high school's Math Dept. Monrobot programmable printing calculator to generate random numbers for my classmates' Alex Citron and Marc Blank's Citrablammatic Whizamadingy Automatic Baseball League, which simulated the MLB season. Marc went on to become the macher at Infocom. That was the high point of my programming career, in that I had to be very creative to make use of the 64 registers available, doing things like dividing memory contents by itself to generate a 1, and dividing by 0 to generate a halt. I mean, I did other programming after that, but never under such constraints.
The cutoff IQ for republican televangelists is about 20 points below what game marketers and designers target.
Or about 60 points higher than you. Thanks for playing.
Are you a games journalist?
Given the state of games "journalism", he is far better than most.
Computer gaming journalism is a woke hot mess... if thats far better than most we may as well burn the whole thing down.
EoW is a top-down 2D game that nevertheless incorporates plenty of side-scrolling, with a similar artistic style as the Link’s Awakening remake.
Sigh… It’s not top-down and it’s not 2D. It’s 3/4 perspective. The original Legend of Zelda game is top-down 2D. Arguably, while still 2D, A Link to The Past is 3/4 perspective as you can see both the top and the side of various objects at the same time (Edit: Holy Shit! What a coincidence). But Echoes is 3/4 perspective and 3D every bit as much as Link’s Awakening. Also, sales-wise, Echoes would seem to be outpacing Link’s Awakening, which would make it a solid Zelda game but not a Smash hit like Breath of The Wild or Tears of The Kingdom absolutely or Link to The Past or OG Legend of Zelda relatively.
The game is drawing praise for being the first Zelda title in which the starring, playable character is actually Princess Zelda rather than Link.
Which, 30 games in, 40 yrs. later and after all the hullabaloo about Breath Of The Wild, is as stupid as lauding a version of Snow White which finally features Prince Charming as the protagonist or lauding a version of Dune where Princess Irulan is the protagonist.
Like The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon – The Book of Carol (I don’t even know what punctuation mark does here but, please God, let’s keep the money train rolling…) Part Deux.
Cogent given recent "I reject your white, slave-owning, cis, hetero, male perspective and substitute my own." events.
Ocarina of Time was the last video game I ever played, but I really enjoyed it those many years ago.
See now, I had a completely different idea of what "top-down" meant, thinking it referred to programming organization. It probably is top-down in that sense — probably object-oriented.
Article almost a decade late. Just glad they aren't screaming muh private companies anymore.
As the twitter files show, they were ALREADY engaging in a vast and sweeping censorship operation of online platforms. X.com is the only crack in armor and the regime apparatchiks are losing their minds.
I love it when Regime Apparatchiks' heads explode.
I love it when Regime Apparatchiks’ heads explode.
It smells like....victory.
Rogan was being genuine when he was thanking Musk for buying Twitter. I think we all knew they were doing this because we saw with stuff like Operation Chokepoint how they would approach this: "since as the Government we're not allowed to do this, we will simply use government power to outsource it to other people who are allowed to do this."
Their goal is power, raw power. Marxism is a world view that already knows all the right answers about everything, and the only problem is getting enough power to implement them all.
So, exactly the same as Christian National Socialism in that regard?
Marxism is a world view that already knows all the right answers about everything, and the only problem is getting enough power to implement them all.
Well said!
not all of them are willing to admit that the main fault lies with their candidate, Vice President Kamala Harris.
This is not true. The Dems electoral problem is their own policies, none of which did Harris develop. The blame belongs to the culture of extremism and creeping totalitarianism their party created over the last half-century or so.
Exactly!
Soave and Deboner lack the cognitive wherewithal to grasp how PLATFORMS are what campaigns are about. The politicians, like insurance hawkers, are free to lie like lizards so long as the laws they vote to add--never repeal--are in the party platform policy prescriptions. Look up "party whip" in any competent dictionary of Congressional job and pecking-order descriptions. But as a vaguely libertarian talking head who sometimes gets things right and consistently surprises looters of both gangs, Robbie is an asset.
What are you talking about, you crazy old Nazi? Do you even know?
Lizards lie? I didn’t even know they could speak.
Fact check: disinformation, but incoherent and mostly harmless.
Didn't we all know this was coming the first time we heard the phrase "The Science Is Settled" barked out by the Regime Media?
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Remember all that fighting that had to be done when Biden won? Yeah, me neither.
Well, let me put this comment in the correct place.
So I will try to steelman this as best as I can.
They have a very wrong solution to a real problem.
The problem is that a well-functioning mass democracy implicitly assumes citizens who are at least well informed enough to be able to make the democratic decisions that they are expected to make, via voting or otherwise, and our current state of affairs in this country shows that we don’t have a very well informed populace when it comes to many political matters.
Here is a Hoover Institution (right-leaning institute) study about how informed American voters are generally:
https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/research/docs/Boskin_WebreadyPDF.pdf
You should read the whole thing, but basically, they asked voters a series of relatively easy questions about government spending, and at best, only 57% of voters knew the correct answer. And I mean *really easy* – like “has the national debt increased as a percentage of GDP?” – and still 19% get it wrong. And if voters are getting easy questions wrong, the situation is undoubtedly worse as the issues get more complex and more contentious. And so if the voters are not well informed, it stands to reason that the choices that they make at the ballot box reflect their poor state of knowledge.
So if we are to have a well-functioning mass democracy, what should be done to increase voters’ information so that they can make better well-informed choices? That’s the issue on the table here.
And obviously, having the government regulate social media is a terrible idea. It would lead to social media becoming a government propaganda outlet instead.
But, the question remains.
Unfortunately the "misinformation" harpies want their listeners to remain ignorant to true, objective fact and it pains them that they have lost control of the dissemination of information that they don't want you to hear. Individuals are free to remain ignorant and act accordingly...all you can do is lament that ignorance. Until the subject is visibly affecting their daily lives do they bother to seek the cause. Example: Inflation was the most important issue this election...many informed themselves why...government and media tried to tell them otherwise...voters lose trust in the current regime and take it to the polls.
Unfortunately, Chemjeff is our resident “misinformation” harpy.
Jeffs misinformation >>>> actual information
Pay no attention to those dead women behind the sheets... the ones doctors didn't dare save thanks to Texas Televangelists and Alabammy Abominations threatening to revoke their government work permits.
LIBt – just go to a friendly D-run state and get your damn abortion and quit your incessant histrionic tirades! We dont care that you have a cist or giant polyp in your mangina – deal with it! You are a one note (off key) screeching mappie. Find another thing to be traumatized by – please. Remember – there is strength in diversity. Your thoughts and concerns could use a little of that.
I'm not sure how a television takes an electronic stream and converts it to sound and a picture, but I sure as hell am knowledgeable enough to shop for the best TV deal for my household.
The problem is that a well-functioning mass democracy implicitly assumes citizens who are at least well informed enough to be able to make the democratic decisions
And then the Democrats intentionally took that fact, and all its related curriculum, out of schools such that they would churn out good obedient NPC kids that are programmed with what to think, instead of well-informed citizens who take civic duty seriously and are taught HOW to think.
"To Fight Donald Trump, the Media Contemplates Vast Censorship
"It would help if we could regulate social media," said The View's Sara Haines."
Yeah, censorship works wonders for tyrants of all stripes, and those who propose and demand controlling the media are just a big a tyrant as Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao.
Various commentators have lashed out, not at Harris, but at Americans.
This is because 'Americans' are who the self-styled 'elites' actually hate. I'm pretty sure they loathe their own base, too, but since their base keeps them in power they must at least pretend or get them on board with the gradual reduction of their rights under the guise of punishing their political enemies.
If they can control all of media as they want, that will make it easier to do anything they want to do. They are well aware so-called 'citizen journalists' are the new threat to their power since 'legacy media' is largely either captured directly or controlled opposition.
Second-guessing a mob dumb enough to want to ban electricity, weed, gasoline, birth control, trade, production, speech and thinking is a tough proposition. That they can't have them all at once is the one of two consolation Nixon-subsidized fake democracy split into two entrenched factions offers. The second is that 2% spoiler vote capability allows voters to knock down whichever is worse by voting libertarian.
"There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. Sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: there is nothing wrong with your television set. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to the outer limits."
The dream is still alive.
It’s a little late for Legacy Media to do anything but putrify. New Media on the other hand: Too Late.
“It would help if we could regulate social media,” said The View’s Sara Haines.”
Good idea. We start by banning everyone associated with the view, including all the staff grunts. Next the entire staffs of the NYT & WaPo and Atlantic, and all democrats.
Wait two weeks and see if that was enough.
How is this vast censorship campaign any different from the last decade, most of which you approved, both the censorship and absurd reprisals so long as they were aimed at those on the Right.
Hey, at least they're private companies.
We need to bring all dialog even bad dialog into the sunlight, not repress it with laws. Bad ideas don't go away if they are hidden, instead the fester.
Most people are reasonable and responsible, Most of government is not reasonable nor responsible other than being responsible for much of the bad things in life.
"Critics of the establishment progressive worldview often call attention to the Hunter Biden laptop story because it is both a prominent example of the Democrats, national security experts, and media elites getting something wrong and a prominent example of the concept of disinformation being wielded in bad faith. "
They did not get it wrong. They knew. The "security experts" intentionally misled (all should have security clearances revoked), and the media flat out lied.
Stop calling The View "media". It is a reality TV show starrimg mentally disabled people.
"To Fight Donald Trump, the Media Contemplates Vast Censorship"
And most law professors support the media in this because they believe in the "Trump exception" to free speech and other Constitutional rights.
By the way, a judge is allowing for additional discovery in Missouri v Biden.
https://reclaimthenet.org/judge-clears-path-for-fresh-evidence-missouri-v-biden