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Election 2024

Prepare To Wait Awhile for Final Election Results

It ain’t over until the long ballots are (re)counted.

J.D. Tuccille | 11.5.2024 5:00 PM

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As I write, Americans are trudging to the polls to mark ovals on paper, touch screens, use ballot-marking devices, and otherwise record their choices for president, Congress, state legislatures, and a host of other offices and ballot measures. Around 78 million Americans cast votes before Election Day, many by mail. Different systems are used, according to the preference of each state, and rules vary as to when ballots can be counted and how they're recounted if necessary. If that sounds like it adds a level of complexity to tallying votes, you're right. That's why we'll all probably have to be a little patient before the results of this year's election are finalized.

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A Two Week Delay on Votes From One Key County

"The outcome of the presidential race could hinge on Maricopa County, and election officials are warning it could take nearly two weeks to count all the votes," Phoenix's CBS affiliate reported last week. "With more than 2.5 million active voters, Maricopa County is the third-largest voting jurisdiction in the country and one of the most hotly contested areas in the race for the White House. The county expects it will take 10 to 13 days to count all the votes, which is consistent with previous years."

Arizona is a swing state which went for Democrat Joe Biden in 2020 by less than 11,000 votes. So, with 2.5 million of the state's 4.368 million voters in one county that's already warned that counting ballots will take awhile, we all could be waiting awhile on some pretty important election results.

Or maybe Americans will have to wait on Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, or one of the other swing states. Even if the presidential contest is decided relatively quickly, control of Congress could remain up in the air while we await the outcome of the few House races that are actually in play.

Voting Procedures Vary Across the Country

How votes are cast, processed, and tallied varies from state to state—and even among jurisdictions within some states. According to Verified Voting, which promotes "the responsible use of technology in elections," 69.9 percent of U.S. voters live in jurisdictions that use hand-marked paper ballots. Another 25.1 percent use ballot-marking devices that electronically present options to voters and then print human-readable paper ballots that are tallied. Five percent make use of direct recording electronic systems that are completely digital, with the results stored in computer memory.

While 78 million ballots were cast before Election Day, that doesn't mean they've already been counted. Some states, Arizona included, tally them as they arrive, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures, though the results must be kept secret under penalty of law. Those ballots may be cast at early-voting stations or by mail—especially in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, and Washington where, Ballotpedia notes, mail-in ballots are the primary means of voting. In other states, though, including such swing states as Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania, counting can't begin until Election Day. Early voting in those states makes it easier for voters, but not necessarily for election workers.

Maricopa County's delay, then, isn't a result of a mountain of ballots submitted early, but because of an especially long 2024 ballot, and the laborious process of processing and verifying "early" ballots that are held to the last minute and dropped off on Election Day.

There may be a lot of those last-minute not-so-early ballots because voting this year is daunting. North of Maricopa, in Yavapai County, I counted 13 statewide ballot measures in addition to the various federal, state, and local offices. We also have a local measure, as do other jurisdictions throughout the state. The What's On My Ballot? "pamphlet" looks like an old-fashioned phone book.

"I thought maybe it would take a little bit of time" to fill out, Sophia Tesch told The Washington Post about the Arizona ballot. "It took me 35 minutes."

The long ballot is on two pages, which have to be separately fed into a tabulator to be counted. The machine can jam if it's fed too fast. That requires extra time and patience.

Mail-In Ballots Are Easier To Cast Than To Count

Now, imagine this scenario playing out across the country, especially as mail-in voting has become more popular. While voting early from home makes life much easier for voters, especially when the ballot looks like a Scantron test form, it adds complexity at the receiving end.

"Counting mail-in ballots takes longer because the process involves additional layers of processing and verification that in some states can't begin until Election Day," Time's Simmone Shah wrote in the lead-up to the election. "The ballots themselves have to be unsealed, and verification sometimes involves matching up a signature or photo ID."

Additionally, some states, including Nevada, accept ballots that are postmarked by Election Day. That means the ballots may not all be available to be counted until the end of the week. That shouldn't add any additional thrills to what's already a cliffhanger political season, right?

Recounts May Keep the Fun Going

Then, of course, there's the fact that this presidential election is as close to a 50/50 race as you'll ever see between political candidates, and some of the down-ballot races are similarly tight. Many states have automatic recount laws if vote totals are within a tight margin (0.5 percent in Arizona and Pennsylvania). In other states, candidates can request recounts if the margin is close (0.5 percent in Georgia, 1 percent in North Carolina).

With partisan tensions boiling-point high in the United States, we can assume that nobody is going to miss an opportunity to demand recounts in any races where vote tallies are close and outcomes may depend on the interpretation of disputed ballots. That's especially likely given that trust in election procedures is iffy. Roughly sixty percent of Americans "have a great deal or quite a bit of confidence that ballots cast in the presidential election will be counted accurately in their state or by their local election officials," according to AP-NORC. That drops to 48 percent for the national count.

That said, maybe the polls have been wrong, and this election will be decided by such overwhelming margins that lagging counts in some areas won't matter. Then, recounts will be entirely beside the point. Clear victories could resolve questions about who wins, who loses, and who gets to hold office.

But chances are that we're all going to have to wait awhile to see how this election shakes out.

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  1. VULGAR MADMAN   8 months ago

    If the cities burn, you’ll know Trump won.

    1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      The democrat cities will burn either way. In some democrat cities, stores are boarding up their windows in anticipation of democrat rioting and looting.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ7iGWkbiAw

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   8 months ago

        I’m sure that’s because those red state hillbillies will invade and destroy everything.

  2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    Didn't bother reading. Did too silly note why this seems so suspicious?

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Now read. He did not. It is odd the hand counting areas are faster than the machine counting. Things get really fun with late night ballot discoveries.

      And no mention of tallying the number of votes prior to countinf the votes. Simplistic form of fraud detection. Weird.

  3. Uncle Jay   8 months ago

    Here's an idea: How about not counting votes after midnight on election day?
    Oh, wait.
    That makes sense.
    What's wrong with me?
    My bad.

    1. defaultdotxbe   8 months ago

      Do you mean not counting votes received after midnight, or just stopping the count so anyone who has a job and couldn’t vote until the evening just doesn’t have their vote counted?

  4. shadydave   8 months ago

    It's almost as if massive mail-in balloting adds a layer of complication and difficulty that might cause folk to lose confidence in the integrity of the process.

    Maybe we should consider NOT doing all of that like was the case all the way up until 2020.

    1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

      Sometimes I wonder if a loss of confidence in the legitimacy of elections is the point and that's why they are doing their best to undermine them with ID bans and electronic hijinks.

  5. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

    Keep counting until you get the right answer we want.

    1. VULGAR MADMAN   8 months ago

      Washington state really pioneered that.

  6. Eeyore   8 months ago

    Why does it seem like only swing states suck at counting?

    1. Mother's Lament (garbage)   8 months ago

      That's a real chin scratcher, isn't it.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Swing state dem counties*

      One exception is Maricopa which seems to be filled with McCain machine people who hate Trump. But AZ sos is Democrat.

    3. Moderation4ever   8 months ago

      Because they are the only states that anyone watches. For all we know Texas and California are just as bad at counting maybe worse, but no one cares because the results are expected in these states. Watch for the scrutiny to fall on any state that doesn't deliver the expected result.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Hey parody. We know when each state completes their count.

        1. defaultdotxbe   8 months ago

          Do we know when they complete their count, or do we only know when they declare a winner? Because they aren't swing states the count isn't usually close, so they get a to a point where it's mathematically impossible for the trailing candidate to pull ahead. For example if you have 100,000 votes left to count, but one candidate is 110,000 votes ahead, then you declare the winner and no one pays attention while you finish tallying the votes.

          Swing states aren't like that, one candidate is never so far ahead that you can conclusively declare a winner before almost all the votes are counted.

      2. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        It’s always a problem because that’s where your fellow travelers cheat.

      3. DesigNate   8 months ago

        Except Florida is a case study in why you’re balls ass wrong.

  7. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    First CNN exit poll is brutal for Democrats. 63% dissatisfied with last 4 years.

    https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1853923606692057099

    1. BigT   8 months ago

      That’s down from 79% unhappy

      1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        When was that?

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

          CNN exit poll in VA this evening has 59% "Unhappy" and 13% "Angry". That's CNN!

      2. Rick James   8 months ago

        Proof that unhappiness isn't "skyrocketing".

    2. Chumby   8 months ago

      Harris said she would work for the people. And as we know, she endeavors to give her boss a happy ending.

  8. shadydave   8 months ago

    Polymarket's odds for Trump have dropped a bit in the last 10 minutes, from around 61% to 58%.

    1. shadydave   8 months ago

      And now after the first results in at 7pm Trump has swung up to 61%.

      1. shadydave   8 months ago

        And now Trump has climbed above 70% on polymarket

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

          Well above 70% now.

          1. shadydave   8 months ago

            The New York Times "needle" has just shifted from "tossup" to "leans Trump"

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

              All the MTM 50-centers are going to be looking for work tomorrow. All the more amusing as a result of the 'Trump is demented' campaign over the last several weeks. From the demented.

              1. shadydave   8 months ago

                If I had to guess, what's going to happen is that Harris might actually manage to fortify Pennsylvania, but because of all of that concentrated effort there, she might lose Virginia, Wisconsin and possibly even New Mexico.

                Trump is currently winning Florida by 13 with most of the vote in. He won it by 3 and change in 2020.

                1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

                  Do not follow the states closely, hoping those like you and some independent news orgs give me a feel for the movement (the betting
                  ratings are very good, IMO: Money talks, bullshit walks).

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

          Nearly 75% now.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

            76.6%.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

              81.2% - 19.8%

              1. shadydave   8 months ago

                It looks like both Georgia and North Carolina are about to be called for Trump.

              2. defaultdotxbe   8 months ago

                I recall it was similar in 2020, the betting pools started swinging hard Trump in the evening as the day-of reporting came in, but by the next morning when all the early vote and absentee ballots were added Biden came out on top.

                1. shadydave   8 months ago

                  But it never got to the 90% it currently is. It got up to the high 70s I believe. It doesn't look like Harris can win Wisconsin.

                  1. shadydave   8 months ago

                    Joy Reid now malfunctioning on MSNBC. Appears as if smoke is pouring out of her ears.

                    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

                      Has she ever done otherwise? She is one homely twit; a face made for radio.

          2. shadydave   8 months ago

            Trump hit 84% on Polymarket. Polymarket currently has him favored in all 7 swing states.

            1. shadydave   8 months ago

              NY Times prediction for the National Popular vote is now Trump +0.3

              1. shadydave   8 months ago

                Trump now approaching 90% on Polymarket. Umm...

                1. shadydave   8 months ago

                  Polymarket at 93%. Harris is in very big trouble.

              2. shadydave   8 months ago

                Polymarket now at 65% for Trump winning the National Popular Vote

                1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

                  94.5% - 5.3%. polymarket

                2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

                  98.2%

                3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

                  Now the question is how long his coat tails are.

  9. voluntaryist   8 months ago

    "Prepare to wait"??? How? Why? No fundamental change will occur!

    Once the public accept “the law”, i.e., deadly threats instead of reason, as “protection & service”, all is lost.
    Coercion as a political paradigm is NOT moral, just, humane, civil. It creates rulers/ruled, authoritarianism. It invites savage brutality. Psychopaths are given free rein. Public life is chaotic. No one is safe or protected. Even a POTUS is in danger of being murdered by the so-called public servants, e.g., the CIA.

    Yet, the youth are programed in govt. schools that this is unquestionable “law & order”. Most do not question it, or much of anything because they are not taught how to think, how to be self-governing, independent. Why?
    That would create freedom loving self-confident citizens who would not vote to be ruled.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      Please waste bandwidth somewhere else, douchebag.

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      BTW, your idiotic assumptions that we'd all get along absent some sort of forceful sanctions against nasty people is every bit as idiotic as the Marxist assumption that we'd all work for the common good rather than our own.
      You are an ignoramus; go learn something.

  10. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   8 months ago

    How is the Black Nazi doing? If he wins the GOP will sweep everything.

    1. VULGAR MADMAN   8 months ago

      Are you hoping he’ll suck your shriveled dick?

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  11. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    ‘He’? Kamala is identifying as a man now?

  12. AT   8 months ago

    https://x.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1853966461896630649

    Womp womp, lefties.

  13. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

    So, just heard on ABC news.

    In Pennsylvania, the counties got state funding for counting the mail-in votes, that was contingent on a condition that once they started counting (at 7am on election day), they couldn't stop until they were entirely done. Which means of course they won't be done probably until the middle of the night, and they will be accused of "3am ballot dumps" by you-know-who.

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Then they should pick up the pace.

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        They won’t stop counting until they have enough votes for her.

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

      Well, that comment didn’t age well. ^ Haha.

      Jeff, please always remember and don’t ever forget:

      You suck.

  14. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

    Now we wait to hear how the "authoritarian" stole the election from the scumbag who would tell us how and why to live our lives.

  15. MWAocdoc   8 months ago

    "Officials want to remind voters that the election winners will not be announced until 110% of the ballots have been counted." - The Babylon Bee

  16. Rick James   8 months ago

    It's gonna be tough to come up with 20million more votes for Kamala.

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