No, Hurricane Helene Does Not Justify Giving North Carolina's Electoral Votes to Trump
When your opponents are accusing you of trying to subvert democracy, maybe don't suggest that it "makes a lot of sense" to ignore the will of the voters.

With recovery efforts from widespread flooding ongoing across much of western North Carolina in the wake of Hurricane Helene, a Republican congressman has suggested that it "makes a lot of sense" to effectively cancel the presidential election in the state and declare Donald Trump the winner.
It doesn't, and the state Legislature does not actually have that power.
Politico reports that Rep. Andy Harris (R–Md.) said Thursday that North Carolina state lawmakers should be prepared to override the will of the voters to avoid disenfranchising voters in flood-stricken areas who might have been unable to cast a ballot.
"It looks like just a power play," Harris said, according to a recording posted to X by Ivan Raiklin, a Trump supporter who has advocated for state lawmakers to seize power over the awarding of electoral votes. "In North Carolina, it's legitimate. There are a lot of people that aren't going to get to vote and it may make the difference in that state."
Elsewhere in the same video, Harris says the move would be legitimate because "you know what that vote probably would have been."
Uh, no, you don't. And it looks like a power play because that's exactly what it would be.
There are any number of reasons why someone might not cast a ballot on Election Day (or via early and absentee voting processes, both of which are ongoing in the parts of North Carolina wrecked by Hurricane Helene). Some people choose not to vote. Others might simply never get around to it. Rainy weather depresses turnout. Rarely, a major natural disaster might strike just before an election.
That doesn't matter. When someone fails to cast a ballot, they are not granting state lawmakers the power to decide how "that vote probably would have" gone, as Harris is suggesting here. You can't count votes that don't exist, period.
This is such a basic principle of (small-d) democratic (small-r) republican political systems that it seems absurd to even have to point it out.
Thankfully, Congress acted in the wake of the 2020 election to block some avenues that state legislatures could use to ignore the legally tallied results. As Richard Pildes, a professor of law at New York University, points out in a post on the Election Law Blog, the Electoral Count Reform Act, passed in 2022, removed a longstanding federal provision that allowed state lawmakers to appoint slates of electors if they determined that a presidential election had "failed."
"Moreover, even if a natural disaster massively disrupts the election process in a state, federal law now provides that the solution must be a popular vote that takes place once voting is again possible," Pildes writes. "The federal law leaves it to state law to determine the proper authorities and procedures to use in these circumstances, which state laws on election emergencies (in those states that have such laws) determines."
So, no, the state Legislature in North Carolina cannot simply hand Trump the state's 16 electoral votes by saying the storm resulted in a "failed" election—or at least not without challenging that new federal law.
Even so, Harris' comments suggest that some Republicans are heading into the 2024 election not merely willing to consider antidemocratic maneuvers by state lawmakers, but actively seeking opportunities for such shenanigans.
Back in August, when Vice President Kamala Harris was calling for stricter regulations on the prices charged by grocery stores, Washington Post columnist Catherine Rampell quipped that "when your opponent calls you 'communist,' maybe don't propose price controls."
A similar thing might now be said about Andy Harris and anyone else in the Republican Party contemplating this type of effort. When your opponents are accusing you of trying to subvert democracy, maybe don't suggest that it "makes a lot of sense" to ignore the will of the voters.
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I'm in NC. There has been quite a bit of talk on how to get those voters in the mountains to the polls to vote as they are heavily Republican and bore the brunt of the federal governments outrageously inept response to the hurricane.
Was the response “inept” or calculated?
Yes.
^ This
I would call it "strategically" inept.
Reluctantly responding.
Accidentally on purpose, inept. Just like the Secret Service.
Remember after Hurricane Katrina, when lefties accused the Bush administration of racism after the poor federal response in the black neighborhoods of New Orleans?
At the time, this commentariat rolled their collective eyes at the charge.
Now, of course, it's diffe(R)ent, so accusing the State of malfeasance in disaster response is sensible and true.
Most of the logistic and infrastructure failure that doomed the Katrina victims can be rightly attributed to local Democrat ineptitude. They ignored warnings to repair vulnerable dams for years. FEMA was predictably inefficient.
Bush committed way more resources on Katrina than Biden did for Helene. The media never bothered to fact check any lies or half truths on Puerto Rico, where loads of water say undistributed because ruling dems were idiots.
But of course, the media went to bat or FEMA when Biden is in charge. It’s not US who has to answer for double standards.
Both but I'd say more inept as government tends to be rather than some calculated plan. It turned nasty when the petty bureaucrats showed up and started the dick swinging "I'm In Charge" crap, though.
Things didn't go so well when entitled employees from the home office showed up and started lecturing the customers as to who's in charge? Surprise!
Was the response “inept” or calculated?
Was it really either of those things, or is that just what the conspiracy theorists are saying? Besides, maybe the response has been hampered by <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/threats-fema-workers-north-carolina-sheriff/story?id=114776904"those making threats to FEMA workers</a? actually trying to do their jobs of helping people.
Haha. So you’re one of the morons who fell for that. Too funny.
Perhaps you could go into more detail that just a statement. Local officials including Republicans seemed to be happy enough with the response.
Nah. It takes effort to find the facts. Assuming that 'the left' is doing something horrible is easy and feels good (for some people).
The legislature gave counties in the emergency zone the power to expand voting locations to make it easier for those affected to vote. 2 of the counties west of Asheville are refusing to do it so the legislature had to step in to force them to. Both counties overwhelmingly went for Trump in 2020 so you tell me who is trying to skew the vote?
I like the idea of Reapersensitive Andy betting his entire net worth--plus whatever borrowing it takes to bring that up to a positive number--that OrangoDrumpf will get elected by hook or by hangings. What has he got to lose?
So, you're one of the inbred incels in NC who only gets information from idiot rightwing propaganda.
When your opponents are accusing you of trying to subvert democracy, maybe don’t suggest that it “makes a lot of sense” to ignore the will of the voters.
You’d have to read the entire story (I wouldn’t recommend it) to find that Boehm’s nonsense is in regards to comments from some obscure Team Red congressman in MD, and a “Trump supporter” on X.
But please, skim the headline and think Trump suggests NC’s electoral votes should be given to him because of the hurricane. Typical lies of omission in headlines, how modern of Reason.
After Boehm did some excellent on-the-ground actual journalism in his last article we're back to his 'regretful and reluctant' tricks
Boehm’s nonsense is in regards to comments from some obscure Team Red congressman in MD, and a “Trump supporter” on X.
Meanwhile Tampon Tim, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry announce that it's time to scale back free speech and nary a whisper.
Plus, “we have to lock him up” Biden.
The democrats have to go, forever.
I know, I know = After Boehm did some excellent on-the-ground actual journalism in his last article we’re back to his ‘regretful and reluctant’ tricks
>When your opponents are accusing you of trying to subvert democracy,
No one is accusing Trump of trying to subvert Democracy. They're certainly accusing him of being 'literally Hitler' and 'going to be a dictator' if elected - *if elected*. That looks like honoring the democratic process to me.
The Republicans have certainly been accusing the Democrats of that - you know 'stop the steal'.
“No one is accusing Trump of trying to subvert Democracy.”
Citation please! I, for one, accuse Der Dear Leader TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer of EXACTLY that!
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In the past, Democrats have objected to Electoral College results on the flimsiest possible grounds. In 2001, 2005 and 2017, Democratic Representatives and, in 2005, Democratic Senators voted against accepting the Electoral College tally. Thus, every Republican president since George H. W. Bush has seen Democrats vote against accepting the legitimacy of his election.
And just a reminder, Shillsy:
In January 2017, after Trump's win, House Democrats objected to certifying the election results in 9 states. Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Wisconsin and Wyoming. And about 70 House Democrats boycotted Trump’s inauguration.
Was that insurrection?
And you want to talk about seditious acts?
Nancy Pelosi said she had spoken with Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, about “preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes.” . . .
But some Defense Department officials have privately expressed anger that political leaders seemed to be trying to get the Pentagon to do the work of Congress and Cabinet secretaries, who have legal options to remove a president.
Mr. Trump, they noted, is still the commander in chief, and unless he is removed, the military is bound to follow his lawful orders. While military officials can refuse to carry out orders they view as illegal, they cannot proactively remove the president from the chain of command. That would be a military coup, these officials said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/trump-impeachment-pelosi.html
Trying to incite a military coup is actual sedition, Shillsy.
Ask the grey box about Section 230 and whether he prefers to eat smooth feces or those with chunks of corn and peanuts.
This is why we MUST indulge in political violence and "Hang Mike Pence", "Execute the General", etc. WHY can't Trump's generals be more like Shitler's generals, Trump wants to know!
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The Republicans are out in force to subvert democracy. Shooting at Harris campaign offices, lighting ballot boxes on fire, stealing ballots, trying to kick as many people off voter rolls as they can, not allowing PA voters to cast a provisional ballot if their mail in-ballot is invalid, giving local officials the ability to refuse to certify the election results. And those are just what happened. They proposed a bill in WV to ignore the vote results, but only if Democrats won. You just don't see this on the Democratic side.
Other than the shooting, none of that has actually happened.
Unlike Democrats shooting at Trump.
You think this is a game of troll-the-libs? You really think that facts and policy has zero place in a presidential campaign? You don't care at all about what happens to this country as long as the libs are mad? People like you are true assholes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_disrupt_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election
Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States presidential election
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Policy? Tell us, what exactly are Harris’s ‘policies’? When asked, all we hear is that she grew up middle class (a lie), and that she thinks Trump is a big doody head.
So enlighten us, and be specific.
So . . . you're admitting you just made up all the stuff you just posted here.
"You think this is a game of troll-the-libs?..."
No, we are quite certain that MG
Is.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Fuck off and die, lying pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.
She has that reputation.
Ah! I sense an awakening to the Facts of Reality!
Democrats did it first. That makes it ok.
They have substance abuse programs for freaks like you.
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He was sober for a weekend so he doesn't have an issue.
“I can quit anytime I want!”
Of course he can.
"Congratulations" to Kamala Harris on becoming the first democratic party nominee for POTUS to not get the official pro forma endorsement from the Washington Post since Mike Dukakis. And the L.A. Times board isn't officially endorsing her either.
When you're the democratic party nominee for president and reliable far left democratic party legacy organs like the Washington Post and the L.A. Times refuse to give you their official endorsement on the record, it means one thing and thing only: they smell the powerful, unmistakable, off-putting stench of a loser coming off of you.
And if there's one thing almost everyone has in common regardless of their political viewpoints, it's that most people don't want to become too closely associated with a loser, because they're terrified that it might possibly rub off on them.
The Post is my hometown paper, and all the meltdowns from my lefty friends (and one former Post employee) really helps kick off the weekend with a smile.
My condolences for you being in or in proximity to the swamp.
Is it wrong to hope to see Jen Rubin quit and then learn how utterly unemployable she really is?
I'm a little worried about Reason editors that have built careers out of regurgitating WAPO talking points. Thankfully they can fall back on The Bulwark.
Congratulations” to Kamala Harris on becoming the first democratic party nominee for POTUS to not get the official
pro forma endorsement from the Washington Postvotes from anybody in the primaries.Besides the fact that WAPO has been moving right with the hiring of William Lewis, previously CEO of Dow Jones - publisher of The Wall St. J. I expect that the owners of WAPO, looking to their potential business risks, take Trump's threats against publishers who don't support him, more seriously than you might.
lol the Washington post is right wing now. Ha ha!
Act Blue donors are conservatives so could be.
I don't think WAPO is moving right unless you mean they are trying to go from a far left rag to the center as someone in charge finally realized their current trajectory is unsustainable and they have a business to run.
Uhhh? What? The Editorial Board of each paper, which is the group that does the endorsing, already wrote the endorsement for Harris. It was their rich owners that stopped it. The only ones that look bad are the owners.
No, your shrill coping looks much, much worse. But it is fucking hilarious.
I pretty much hated the Trump presidency. But those first weeks after he was elected were pure gold for me as I watched people like you absolutely lose their shit.
Ya, priorities. Who cares about the country as long as the libs are upset?
Doing it your way has turned this country to utter shit.
'Who cares about the country as long as we can whine about Trump?"
There's where (what passes for your brain) is.
An endorsement from the paper is an endorsement *from the owners* - the employees are just the ones that write it.
It has always been from the Editorial Board. One can always rely on a MAGA to lie.
No, it has always been the editorial board that has regurgitated the opinion the paper's owners fed them.
Just because the leash is loose doesn't mean its not still held.
The editors are losers like you are, the owners are the ones who matter, they're the ones with the money, the brains, and the real connections.
That's why they know that Kamala is toast, because the people who are truly in a position to know for sure have told them so.
It has always been from the Editorial Board. One can always rely on a MAGA to lie.
Molly, you appear upset. May I suggest suicide? Best thing for you really.
Your comments are going nowhere.
Hey, knock that off.
It's a 'viable' option in Canada.
Hey guys, I have this wart on my toe.
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https://x.com/Heminator/status/1849860436218593695
An article about North Carolina voting leads off with a random comment by one MARYLAND (?) republican?
Welcome to Reason.
It’s justified because Trump is a boy from Brazil.
Democrat-run local elections boards in McDowell and Henderson counties have failed to approve additional early voting sites in the disaster-stricken area, despite increasing calls for more access to voting. Both counties voted for Donald Trump in 2020.
https://thefederalist.com/2024/10/25/democrats-in-north-carolinas-helene-disaster-area-block-emergency-early-voting-locations/
Happening in Arizona too.
Meanwhile in actual Arizona election news:
– Maricopa County Republican party official Shelby Busch said she would “lynch” the (Republican) county recorder Stephen Richer. She is upset that he says Biden won the county in 2020.
– Busch’s remarks continue a pattern. Frederick Francis Goltz received a 3.5 year sentence for threatening Richer. Mark Rissi got 2.5 years for threatening to kill the (Republican) Clint Hickman, a member of the Board of Supervisors, after he voted to certify Biden’s win, saying he would “lynch your stupid lying Commie ass”. Others are still awaiting trial.
– More recently Peggy Judd, Republican member of the Cochise County Board of Supervisors, pled guilty to a misdemeanor for knowingly delaying certification of the results. Non-violent and told the judge she wanted to move on, got off with 90 days probation.
– This week Jeffrey Michael Kelly had first court appearance after his arrest for (allegedly) shooting up the DNC office in Tempe three different times plus some lesser stunts with white powder and razor blades.
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Note to JesseAz: found all this while looking for confirmation of your apparent claim that hurricane victims (!) in Arizona were being denied early voting. I couldn’t find it.
However, I did find that Fontes is a Democrat, and I do recall incorrectly labeling him as a Republican. So, I retract and apologize to both Fontes and the Republicans.
Mike. Are you this fucking retarded? Where did I make claims about hurricane victims you retarded Democrat fuck?
The issue in Maricopa, and Arizona, is that they estimate number of election employees on average 15 min vote times. This year’s ballot is 2 pages double sided. The machines have not been tested and jams are expected. There is a suit right now to add more employees due to this.
Again Mike, you keep proving your ignorance. Your Google skills are worse than sarcs.
You are amazingly dumb Mike.
No matter the lie, you will push it to help a Democrat. Again. Stop thinking you know Arizona issues from your deep blue leftist California hovel.
Maybe it is time to start posting your YouTube again. Or did you delete?
All Drumpf has to do is tell Long Dong, Palito, Mutterkreuz Mom, KKKavanaugh and Gorbasuch to engage in ceremonial Hara-Kiri. That, one can hope, could level the playing field so that a future Russian Bride might be able to make use of a Plan B in case the real nature of the stalking MAGAt were to become manifest. Race Suicide Voters then could at least be entitled to hope for an election outcome in which the Army Of God does not--through unelected appointees--rest on already having declared half of 'Murrican humanity a sorority of Siamese twins unfit for individual rights as of the moment of intercourse.
So? This is normal for Republicans to play politics with voting locations. No reason the Democrats should not do the same.
You are truly retarded. Congrats for sharing that with everyone.
Sarc, where are you? This is your bat signal!
See? Sockpuppet versus Sockpuppet in the Mad magazine (scratch that) Reason magazine version pits one unverifiable sockpuppet of the non-mystical-bigoted persuasion against some 200 masked, anonymous, yet verifiably insane mystical bigots of the deadly-force compulsory variety. Nobody without a subpoena knows the name, gender or even species of either unlinked participant, though both bear the imprint of entrenched kleptocracy conditioning. Listen closely to what they way about one another before voting Chase (and maybe some other non-Jesus Caucus libertarians) on Election day.
Since when was it normal?
"Thankfully, Congress acted in the wake of the 2020 election to block some avenues that state legislatures could use to ignore the legally tallied results. As Richard Pildes, a professor of law at New York University, points out in a post on the Election Law Blog, the Electoral Count Reform Act, passed in 2022, removed a longstanding federal provision that allowed state lawmakers to appoint slates of electors if they determined that a presidential election had "failed."
Of course the question remains who declares the "legally" tallied results and when that happens. We live in a republic and if elected legislators have reason to believe that, let's say, Wayne county MI or Fulton county GA or Cook county IL, all of which are literally famous for election malfeasance, may have put a finger on the scale then maybe it's reasonable to have an alternate slate of electors on hand in the event that those votes can't be verified. But Reason libertarians are thankful that local bureaucrats are free to decide federal elections while the peoples representatives are silenced by the federal behemoth. So some guy says NC votes should automatically go to Trump. Of course neither Trump nor any Republican in NC has ever suggested anything like that. But Orangeman bad and that's all you need to know.
Except the Constitution grants the right to conduct elections to the state Legislatures so I believe that law is unconstitutional. The only constitutional right the people have to vote is for their Representatives. The Legislatures could pick electors names out of a hat if they wanted to. If all the Republican controlled states just appointed their electors Trump would be unbeatable.
Yes, it is very difficult to be beaten in an election that does not happen.
There's an election. The electors appointed by the Legislatures take a vote.
Good point: "If Trump doesn't win this election, it's the last election we're going to have..." Zerosledge sockpuppet 08OCT2024
Herr Frick, Minister for the Interior, speaking at Dresden, said on 21FEB1933 that March fifth would be Germany's last election. One of these turned out to be partly right for 14 years...
Hitler lost that election. He was appointed Chancellor by the winner Von Hindenburg.
"Yes, it is very difficult to be beaten in an election that does not happen."
We noticed that WRT Cackles. You didn't.
FOAD, asshole.
Was logging in just to point this out! You beat me to it.
Senators too, since the 17th Amendment. But yeah.
The states cannot abridge the right to vote on the basis of race, color, previous condition of servitude, sex, failure to pay poll tax, or age over 18. Nothing says they need to hold a Presidential election in the first place. The language used is "appoint", not "elect". There is language stating that Congress can regulate the time, place, and manner of House and Senate elections. There's no such provision stating the same for Presidential elections. Congress has the power to "determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes" but they have no authority to say how they shall be... chusen?
Now, I don't believe that states *should* just start appointing the candidate favored by the state legislature. But they *can*. A federal law cannot trump this constitutional language.
I somehow suspect that if there were rolling blackouts in Charlotte that prevented people there from voting, Boehm would have a vastly different take.
He had not a word to say about Raskin openly claiming congress would just refuse to certify a Trump win.
It doesn't, and the state Legislature does not actually have that power.
It doesn't make sense, but the state legislature DOES have that power. The Constitution including every amendment related to electing the President EXPLICITLY provides "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof my direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress". Any law, at the Federal OR State level purporting to deny the state legislature that power is unconstitutional on its face.
Agreed. But it will take a state with standing to challenge it and by then the Reason/libertarian/ Democrats will have packed the court.
Sadly the USSC says different. Why a federal judge ordered VA to add the 1500 self declared illegal aliens to get back on the voter rolls.
"And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each"
US Constitution ArtII.S1.C3
No. States don't get to void the process Constitutionally just because the Constitution uses Electors.
Oh come on. Read the thing in context.
If you think this refers to the popular vote and not the electoral votes themselves then there is no helping you.
No. Popular vote is in direct contrast to electoral votes.
The point was the State cannot just VOID the vote and assign Electors to cast however they chose.
Don’t forget that Asheville, SanFran East, was hit very hard, so it will be instructive to see whether they, or Black Mountain, an extremely religious town 15 mi east, will have a higher Percentage of their 2020 vote total.
Any bets?
Asheville, heavily blue, will get the lions share of help. Just watch.
To be fair, that is where the most people are.
Law and ethics do not always coincide.
"Never confuse a court of law with a hall of justice".
Even so, Harris' comments suggest that some Republicans are heading into the 2024 election not merely willing to consider antidemocratic maneuvers by state lawmakers, but actively seeking opportunities for such shenanigans.
How did Kamalamadingdong become the Democrat nominee? How many primary votes did she get?
Yes, well, that's (D)ifferent. She probably would have won a primary if they held it or something.
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"De-Regulation and Tax-Cuts are sooooooooo Authoritarian.", SQRLSY.
I just did my early voting and voted for EVERY libertarian that I could vote for. Sooooooooo Authoritarian!
Done. Morons of identical ilk did the Tea Party, remember? https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2016/10/17/the-tea-party-effect/
Yeah man, I almost vaguely got involved with the Tea Party way back when. Via email chains, I warned them to NOT get tangled up with stupid cultural wars (specifically to include gays and abortions, etc.), and to stay LASER FOCUSED on shrinking Government Almighty (and taxes), and enlarging individual freedoms instead (same coin, just different sides). Did they listen?!?!? No just no... HELL NO!!!
Meanwhile in actual news of interest to free minds.
"A ‘Declaration Of War’—Fed And ECB Plot To ‘Tax Or Ban’ Bitcoin And Use Price Gains To Escape $35.7 Trillion Doom Loop"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/10/25/a-declaration-of-war-fed-and-ecb-plot-to-tax-or-ban-bitcoin-and-use-price-gains-to-escape-357-trillion-doom-loop/
The Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis has published a paper this week arguing bitcoin and similar assets could be taxed or banned to help governments maintain deficits.
"A legal prohibition against bitcoin can restore unique implementation of permanent primary deficits, and so can a tax on bitcoin," the paper's authors wrote, adding bitcoin creates a "balanced budget trap" that highlights spending shortfalls.
The Fed has "joined the European Central Bank in its attack on bitcoin," said VanEck's head of digital asset research Matthew Sigel, writing in an X thread that the paper "fantasizes about 'legal prohibition' and extra taxes on bitcoin to ensure government debt remains the 'only risk-free security.'"
They don’t want competition.
A logical proposal,
We take all of the money fema spent on invaders, subtract the money spent on nc, the kill 1 fed starting with fema for every dollar of difference
i.e., Trump supporters here approve of Rep Harris's suggestion.
Harris approved Melania's message
The TDS-addled piles of shit here think SRG has a brain.
FOAD, asshole.
I guess concerns about replacing voting with partisan selection of winners by powerful insiders does not apply to Democratic primaries.
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the Electoral Count Reform Act, passed in 2022, removed a longstanding federal provision that allowed state lawmakers to appoint slates of electors if they determined that a presidential election had “failed.”
Please provide an explicit explanation of how this squares with Article 2 Clause 2.
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress:
The states are not constitutionally obligated to hold a presidential election in the first instance.
I'm not saying that their wouldn't or shouldn't be political consequences if a state does something like this, but the notion that Congress has the power to direct the manner in which a state choses it's electors is at best constitutionally dubious.
How it squares with the Constitution?
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A federal law which purports to require a popular vote in each state for President would be in direct contradiction to the Constitution.
US Constitution Article II Section II Clause I reads:
"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."
The power to decide how to appoint electors is expressly vested in the various states, and note the word "appoint"--not "elect." A state may choose to use popular elections, certainly, and that is what we're accustomed to. But the Constitution makes that a choice of the state legislature. Not the US Congress, not the President, not even some guy with a law blog. The state legislature.
But the Constitution makes that a choice of the state legislature. Not the US Congress, not the President, not even some guy with a law blog. The state legislature.
Damn right that's what the Constitution says. We shouldn't be able to directly elect the President. It is for our betters to do that.
Hopefully, the sarcasm was obvious enough that no one thinks I believe that or that the is/ought fallacy was accidental.
It would take amending the Constitution to strip state legislatures of the ability to act contrary to what the people of a state want, and that seems unlikely. And before people counter that state legislators are elected, they should think about gerrymandered state legislative districts, or even just that voters might want their state legislature to be controlled by one party and want a President of the whole country to be someone of the other party. There might actually be some voters left that aren't so partisan that they'd want to vote for people of different parties for different offices!
The point here is that it is the people themselves, as expressed at through voting in elections, that decide how we govern ourselves and who will do the governing. All of these layers of representation built into the Constitution at the Founding was because the Founders were still elitists at heart. They had the novel idea that a government that actually works for the benefit of all people, and not just the elite of the society, can only be achieved if it is chosen by the people. But, they also didn't want "the mob" to rule. So, they had half of Congress chosen by state legislatures. They had an Electoral College in between the voters and the President, and so on.
On the one hand, that might have made sense at a time when the vast majority of the population had relatively low levels of education, and many people didn't know much about anything more than a few days travel beyond their homes. On the other hand, there were also obvious biases in their society that had them limiting who could vote at all, let alone the indirect nature of representation that they constructed. I mean, half of the adult population was excluded from voting in most states right off the top because women couldn't vote. Add in the ownership of property or other wealth requirements, and the elitism becomes more clear. (Not to mention the effects of slavery or free non-whites being excluded.)
The Electoral College itself is an anachronistic artifact of that elitism. It is long past time for us to fix that.
Sure, if you disagree with the current Constitutional structure, try to get an amendment passed to whatever you think would be better. But until such time as an amendment is passed, the Constitution as it is remains the Supreme Law of the Land.
It doesn't have to be an amendment to reform the process, though that would be ideal. Alternatively, state legislatures could simply acknowledge these problems with the way the EC works and make reforms for their states themselves. They might do that if enough voters of all partisan preferences, or none, tell them that that is what they want.
They could propose amendments to their state constitutions specifying that the legislature can't override the popular vote, and that it must be a popular vote to allocate the state's Electoral Votes. They could even make language to the effect of the National Popular Vote compact built into their constitutions (not my preference - I don't like that idea. I think the whole country needs to buy into the reforms, not have it happen because enough states want it). Or, they could also specify that the state's EVs will be allocated in proportion to the popular vote of the state, rather than be winner-take-all. (Two states, Nebraska and Maine, as has been in the news lately, are two that aren't winner-take-all, but they allocate their EVs based on the votes in House districts + 2 for the statewide winner. That just further encourages gerrymandering House districts. No thanks.)
Think about how that would change the Presidential campaigns if every state gave its Electoral Votes based proportionally on the popular vote of that state. There would not be any "battleground states" anymore, as the votes of all voters in every state will matter. No longer would Republicans in CA or Democrats in Alabama be wasting their time to cast a vote for President. No longer would Presidential candidates only care about voters in those states during primaries. That sounds like an enormous improvement over how things work now, as it will be around 7 states that can't be predicted reliably before votes are cast that will determine the winner.
Sure, the states could make that choice at the state level. That’s part of the power which the Constitution grants them. But what cannot happen is state-level popular votes by federal command. Just like the federal government cannot tell you what church or synagogue to attend, or what opinion to promote, it also cannot tell the states how to allocate their Electoral College votes. Not without getting a Constitutional Amendment passed that takes that power away from the states and grants it to the feds instead.
Personally, if it were up to me, I would want my state's EC votes allocated by the Representatives and Senators in office at the time of Presidential Election, with each one getting to select one Elector. There'd be some corner cases that'd need to be ironed out--most obviously, what if a seat in the House or the Senate is empty at the time of the Presidential election--but directionally, that's where I would want to take it.
I would want my state’s EC votes allocated by the Representatives and Senators in office at the time of Presidential Election, with each one getting to select one Elector.
This was one of the things I was arguing against. a) House districts can be heavily gerrymandered, so a state House delegation can be disproportionate to how the people vote in the aggregate. b) What about voters that choose individual candidates rather than voting by party? You'd basically be taking that option away from them, since their votes for the House and Senate would be the same as a vote for President. And with Senators serving 6 year terms, they would be voting at least once in their term for a President that wasn't a candidate yet when they were sent to Washington.
Again, that is all making the choice of President completely indirect, and you don't say why you prefer that. The delegates at the Constitutional Convention specifically considered and rejected having Congress choose the President. Why do you think they were wrong?
At this point in history, we have over 200 years experience with the Constitutional system, and some flaws have become obvious.
One of these is that, contrary to the expectations of the Founders, Congress has developed a strong tendency to push its legislative responsibilities towards the President and the Executive Branch that he heads.
Another is Congress’ deep adversion to serious oversight of the Executive Branch. The fact that only four Presidential impeachments have occurred ever, and no Presidents have ever been removed from office, is surprising, and is certainly not explained by good behavior on the part of our Presidents!
Essentially, ours has become a quasi-monarchical system, with Presidents directly or indirectly wielding massive legislative power in addition to the executive power which the Constitution actually entrusts to them, while Congress serves a more or less advisory (and at times merely theatrical) role.
I would hope that the system I propose would result in shifting responsibility and power back towards Congress. This would mean that the over 500 elections which result in deciding the membership rolls of the House of Representatives and the Senate would assume increased importance and the once-in-four-years election that determines the President would be scaled down in importance.
When one election determines nearly everything in American political life, and that an election in which virtually no voter actually expects his or her vote to matter, we suffer from an inability to focus on a variety of issues and consider a variety of candidates and approaches.
By shifting the system to emphasize the multitude of Congressional elections, elections which take place at different times, in different places, with different constituencies, I would hope to get to a situation where American democracy becomes more thoughtful, taking into account many issues (some local, some national, some international) and many approaches. This would contrast with our current system, where we have only two realistic candidates who each seek to drive the national conversation to just one or two issues–and all too often inane psuedo-issues at that!
Further, by effectively straining the popular will through the Congressional sieve, I would hope to achieve two other important benefits.
First, this would lessen the risk of a President being elected on the basis of an ephemeral national mood. Since Presidents would rely for their election on Representatives elected two years ago, and on Senators elected two and four and six years ago, there would hopefully be a variety of priorities and emphases represented, lessening the risk of some hypnotic demagogue winning election and harming the country. I’m sure we can both think of cases where this has actually happened!
Second, it is impossible for the average voter to gain a realistic view of the candidates for President. I have never met any President or former President or realistic potential future President, and probably neither have you. All we have to s hape our impressions of them is the various organs of media, all of which have their own interests and goals.
In contrast, current members of Congress could indeed gain the access needed to learn something about who Candidate X really is and how he really might use the Presidency, should he be elected. And, knowing that their own constituencies will judge them in signficant part on the basis of their choice of Elector and therefore on the basis of their choice of President, they will hopefully take this responsibility seriously.
Yet another benefit would be that under my proposed system, majority Democrat states would often allocate some EC votes to the Republican candidate, and majority Republican states would often allocate some EC votes to the Democratic candidate, as such states do typically have some minority-party members in the Congressional legations. California, for example, despite its justified "deep-blue" reputation, currently has 12 Representatives that are Republicans--and Texas has 12 Representatives that are Democtrats!
This would mean that Republican would-be Presidents would have a real reason to try to appeal to right-leaning voters in places like California (who are probably still generally more left-leaning than the broader Republican base), and vice versa for Democratic would-be Presidents vis-a-vis left-leaning voters in places like Texas.
I would expect and hope that this new dynamic would push politics back towards the center, with politicians seeking to convince the public of their views and shift the national debate, rather than our current unhealthy system in which politicians of both sides seek to rally their relatively extreme bases and ignore the center.
It's a Union of States.
Not a Union of People.
You treasonous F'En Leftards and your [WE] gang RULES arrogance need to find another nation to live in.
It's both. The Constitution has both national and federal characteristics. The very first words are "We the People of the United States of America..."
“We the People of the United States of America…” … “do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
Nice ad-lib (fill-in the re-write) narrative you got there.
Read Federalist Papers #39, where the authors (among the actual authors of the Constitution) lay out various aspects of the new Constitution, pointing out that some give the central government a National character and others a Federal character.
Here's a link:
https://guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/text-31-40#s-lg-box-wrapper-25493394
So? Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3: No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due. This is now popular among Orango-christian Nationalsocialists eager to force women into the involuntary labor of reproduction because "race suicide." Their ethical heirs read 13A, 14A and 15A, and with a straight face announced that no American woman had any right to vote.
Some could argue that all girls and women havew tyo do is not get pregnant.
Gee, why didn't anyone think of that!?! Such a simple solution!
If only someone could figure out what causes pregnancy...
"Orango"? RU referring to Trump?
Trump came out against strict Anti-Abortion laws.
Christians are against [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] that's entirely a Democrat Party ideology.
I swear your politics are all mixed up.
You're quite ignorant. Deliberately so.
The MAGAt shitbags in the comments never disappoint.