The Religious Vote Is Waning—And That Could Spell Trouble for Trump
As millions of Christians plan to sit out the election, church leaders face tough choices about how to inspire their congregations without violating the law.

About 102 million people of faith—including "32 million self-identified Christians who regularly attend church"—are likely to abstain from voting in November, according to a new study from Arizona Christian University (ACU). Many, including the study's lead researcher, are encouraging churches to "pull it together" to get their congregations out of the pews and into the polls.
The ACU study indicates that enthusiasm for this election among people of faith—defined as someone who associates with a recognized religion, such as Christianity, Judaism, Mormonism, and Islam—is lower than usual and much lower than in 2020, with 57 percent of respondents offering dislike for both former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris as the reason for their apathy. About 55 percent also said none of the candidates reflected their most important views, and half of the expected nonvoters said the election has become too controversial.
The researchers, led by George Barna, director of research at ACU's Cultural Research Center, surveyed 2,000 adults during August and September 2024. Barna pointed out that more narrowly defined segments of "people of faith" have different expected turnout rates. Among self-identified Christians who regularly attend church services, 32 million are not expected to vote. At least 14 million adults who regularly attend specifically an evangelical church are expected to not vote. An additional 19 million who regularly attend Catholic services are not likely to vote.
There was some indication that this drop-off in enthusiasm from Trump's faithful fans was possible. The former president has been trying to distance himself from his past anti-abortion statements and policies (to align better with the majority of Americans), but 41 percent of Christians who regularly attend church services told surveyors that abortion was an issue that most significantly influenced who they would vote for (and a majority of whom oppose abortion). In August, Trump faced backlash after initially opposing Florida's six-week abortion ban, prompting him to later support it. A few weeks later, he posted "My Administration will be great for women and their reproductive rights" on Truth Social. Days later, Trump's running mate, J.D. Vance, was asked by NBC's Kristen Welker, "Can you commit…that if you and Donald Trump are elected that you will not impose a federal ban on abortion?" Vance answered, "I can absolutely commit that."
This attempt to moderate was a bridge too far for some prominent anti-abortion activists, including Lila Rose, the founder and president of Live Action, a nonprofit that claims "the largest digital footprint for the global pro-life movement." Rose is also a Catholic who advocates banning abortion with no exceptions, opposes the use of in vitro fertilization (another disagreement with Trump), is against birth control, and even says that women who get abortions should receive "criminal penalties." She retweeted Vance's comments on a federal abortion ban saying, "If you don't stand for pro-life principles, you don't get pro-life votes."
Of course, plenty of Trump's religious supporters split with Rose on this point. Many also seem worried by the findings of this study. Barna himself went on The Charlie Kirk Show to discuss the survey's findings, calling the potentially 41 million "born-again Christian" nonvoters a game-changer. "When you look at who those people would be likely to vote for, by a large margin, they would back Mr. Trump. By their refusal to show up in this election…Mr. Trump is going to be very, very hard-pressed to win."
The former president has been saying as much for a while, telling a crowd at a Turning Point USA event in July that Christians "don't vote like they should. They have to vote. If you don't vote, we're not going to win the election."
Barna went on to chastise churches and pastors who don't want to get involved in politics from the pulpit. "When we looked at 'what are their churches doing about the election,' what we discovered is that by and large, their churches don't want to get involved," Barna said. "Only 56 percent of Christian churches in the country have even bothered to encourage their people to vote." He continued, "We've really got to pull it together in these last few weeks of the election where Christians can make a huge difference."
Others agreed. CEO of the National Religious Broadcasters Troy Miller shared a similar reproach on Fox News, first blaming the left for intimidating Christians not to get involved in politics by calling them "Christian Nationalists," then castigating pastors for not speaking about the election enough. Author Eric Metaxas posted on X, "If your pastor doesn't INSIST you vote in his next sermon, he may as well preach on the blessings of abortion. It's the same thing. And if you attend a church like that, you share in the guilt." (The Jehovah's Witness denomination would certainly disagree as they explicitly remain neutral in politics.)
Since 1954, the Johnson Amendment has, theoretically, prohibited all 501(c)(3) nonprofit organizations (which includes churches) from endorsing or opposing political candidates. Trump signed an executive order in 2017 intended to allow churches to engage more politically, though it was mostly symbolic. He directed the secretary of the treasury, "to the extent permitted by law," not to treat speech "about moral or political issues from a religious perspective" as an endorsement for a candidate. However, as executive orders cannot overwrite laws passed by Congress, this did not change the law or its enforcement.
Truth be told, churches have never experienced much grief for violating the Johnson Amendment. As The Washington Post reported, "more than 2,000 mainly evangelical Christian clergy have deliberately violated the law since 2008 as a form of protest against it; only one has been audited by the IRS, and none punished, according to the Alliance Defending Freedom."
For those familiar with evangelical churches, it's no secret that sermons are often explicitly political. (As the daughter of an evangelical pastor, I can count on one hand the Sundays I didn't attend a service during the first 30 years of my life—even while on vacation or doing missionary work overseas.) Congregants regularly sit through preaching against abortion—a topic that, notably, isn't mentioned in the Bible—or voting for any candidate who supports it under any circumstances. (It's rare that these political sermons ever focus on the Bible's calls to be neighborly toward immigrants.)
Some groups are trying to get the IRS to respond to violations of the Johnson Amendment. The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) has recently asked the IRS to investigate and revoke the nonprofit status of Texas megachurch Lakepointe Church after pastor Josh Howerton preached a sermon titled "How to Vote Like Jesus" on October 6. According to FFRF, the sermon "made it clear that [Howerton] opposed the 'unrighteous' Harris-Walz ticket and therefore believed Jesus would have cast his ballot for the 'flawed' Trump-Vance campaign to win the election."
"Churches can't be allowed to get away with such blatant politicking," says FFRF Co-President Annie Laurie Gaylor. "They must abide by the same rules as other nonprofits—or lose their tax code privileges."
The lack of consistent IRS action, even when violations are deliberate and widely publicized, has led to questions about the amendment's efficacy. Of course, churches are free to be as political as they like, including endorsing candidates—so long as they give up their tax-exempt status. However, given that J.D. Vance recently appeared alongside outspoken Trump-supporting evangelical pastor Lance Wallnau, it's clear these churches are more inclined to hold onto their tax-free privileges, hoping that a Trump reelection will lead to the long-promised repeal of the Johnson Amendment.
Barna maintains that churches can make a difference without explicitly endorsing a candidate. "This research underscores the fact that [by] simply encouraging people to vote in order to fulfill their biblical responsibility…an estimated five million regular churchgoers would be likely to vote as a result," Barna says. "That, in itself, could change the outcome of the election."
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Iirc, during another scripted event, Kamala told Christians to vote for Trump.
"Boy, are you guys ever at the wrong rally"
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^This is what Sarcasmic, Buttplug and Chemjeff actually believe.
Clam down and go take your meds. This is one of the most unhinged posts I've ever seen, although I'm sure you're just a troll.
Take my meds?
Sure… All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authoritarians KNOW this already!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!
Religion is a mental illness
Spent a lot of time struggling with mental illness to come to that conclusion didn't you?
Bekah "Israel's ongoing genocide in Gaza" Congdon... GFY
Yet Ms. Congdon seems to like Ben Shapiro who has long advocated for expelling all non-Jews from "Greater Israel", calls the Mises Caucus antisemitic and wants the US to have wide open borders.
She's just weird. Must be something in the water at Cato.
Yep, an article about Christians written by an Islamist intern and Hamas supporter. Reason is really hitting new lows today.
Maybe they’ll give Misek a job.
Yeah, right.
The researchers, led by George Barna, director of research at ACU's Cultural Research Center, surveyed 2,000 adults during August and September 2024
Trust TheScience© cited at Reason people, this data is rock solid.
Nothing like watching smug people panic with a ‘Boaf Sidez” as pathetic as this one.
Don’t worry, we’ll see how “people of faith” (WTF?) vote in just about two weeks.
I'm in the Philly media market. Election Day can't come soon enough.
The Philly market... don't you mean Election WEEK can't come soon enough? Or however long it takes to manufacture enough Kamala votes to overcome whatever advantage Trump has on election night.
Nelson's been filling out mail-in ballots all month and his wrist needs a break.
Hmm. Maybe putting their faith in a serial adulterer rapist felon wasn't as inspiring as they hoped. Trump needs Jesus a lot more than Jesus needs Trump.
I’m sure they love the little tramp that goes down on married men .
He really believes E. Jean Carroll?
He believes whatever talking points the DNC chooses to impart on him.
Yes, because someone who very publicly cheats on her husband with her married boss is a better choice than Trump.
Also the "rapist felon" bit tells me you're a fan of phony political prosecutions and probably would have a better time at the Daily Stormer or Salon.
I never said Kamala was a better choice. I'm just saying it's completely understandable why the religious vote might be sitting this one out entirely.
Stop lying to yourself about the "phony political prosecution" stuff. He was getting sued by Carrol before he got elected the first time. He used his control of the DOJ to bury the case for four years. The man has perpetually, right from the beginning, been running for election to stay out of jail. Whatever you choose to believe about him, the fact of the matter is that he is actually guilty. He was convicted at trial by unanimous decision of a jury that was partially selected by his own lawyers.
So you must either accept that everyone from the bailiff to the entire jury pool up through Trump's own defense team was in on a massive conspiracy, all supposedly orchestrated by either a senile man who can't tie his own shoes or his secretive back-room handlers who would inexplicably choose to implement their dark plots through said senile old man, all to stick Trump with a conviction that wouldn't dissuade a single person in his personality cult from voting for him...
OR...
Everything is actually exactly as it appears to be. Trump is a philandering serial con-man crook who has spent his entire adult life defrauding people and harassing women and he is actually guilty of the exact crimes he was accused of.
And despite all that screed, he's still the better choice. Weird world we live in, right?
It would be if the rant from that lying pile of TDS-addled shit had even a grain of truth.
I don't think you know enough about the criminal trial to even comment on it. It was a travesty of justice to anyone with an ounce of fairness in their blood and it doesn't require a secret cabal or massive conspiracy; it simply required a bad judge, a badly written (or interpreted) law, and a jury pool that largely hates someone.
IIRC, the charge was that he denied he’d been convicted of rape, and that was true, but so was his claim, because the DA said there wasn’t enough evidence for a rape charge and she had to settle for sexual assault from 20 years before. And yet she won her defamation case, which makes no sense from a factual point of view.
and a jury pool that largely hates someone
Trump's attorneys participated in jury selection. You're saying they couldn't find even one (1) person that would entertain the belief their client could possibly be innocent when faced with evidence? Are they incompetent? Or was the evidence they presented simply not convincing?
You demonstrate your ignorance on the topic.
If the judge instructed the jury to find Trump guilty of 34 felonies because Trump might have engaged in one of three hypothetical actions (not crimes, not proven, and not introduced in the trial), then a good jury member would vote to convict, regardless of their personal feelings about the law.
You know not of what you speak.
He never does.
He is a fucking TDS-addled ignoramus, ain't he?
Never been called in for jury duty, I see.
Each side gets so many arbitrary vetoes. The judge can also veto prospective jurors “for cause”, when they are, for instance, related to somebody, a cop, a lawyer, or so obviously biased that an appeals court would throw out the conviction.
So 100 people show up, 10 pro-Trump, 90 anti-Trump. Trump’s lawyer is going to run out of arbitrary vetoes long before the prosecution.
Is that your idea of fair jury selection?
Is that your idea of fair jury selection?
Yes. As is for all TDS sufferers. As long as they can play "Gotcha!", nothing else matters.
Always letting Trump off the hook. Always giving him the benefit of the doubt. Always excusing his behavior while condemning the same behavior of others. Always always always.
Trump is the Pope: totally infallible!
Suckers, don't they know that Obama is the pope and Angelo Carusone his Cardinal.
So what exactly was the crime?
Did you even understand the legal issues?
Your ignorance isn’t my problem.
Your ignorance is YOUR problem, R Mack Who Snorts Smack!!! Some day, karma and reality will SMACK PervFected You right in the head, R Mack Who Snorts Smack!!!
Would Ye and Your Fellow Trumpanzees Gone Apeshit PLEASE just STOP turning YOUR problems into OUR problems?!?!? Put Your Pervfected clitoris BACK into Yer panties, and STOP fucking the rest of us over! Quit Yer PervFect bitching about the "Stolen Erections", and just STROKE The Donald, quietly, by private, non-pubic Yourself, in Yer Forever-Vain hopes of being rewarded by getting to "share" Spermy Daniels!!! IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, Chump!!!
Or in this case just a defendant who was guilty.
So, lots of democrat talking points from you. What a surprise.
Want to start raving about the Steele Dossier while you’re at it?
He was getting sued by Carrol before he got elected the first time.
My meticulous inspection of the wikipedia entry for her reveals the earliest she cried foul was 2019. I call bullshit unless you have proof otherwise.
You are correct. I mixed up the Stormy Daniels coverup and the E Jean Carrol case. My bad.
There was no ‘coverup’. You’re such a democrat propagandist.
Still, he admits it when caught, unlike sarc.
One step above sarc; what a compliment to a steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
One step above a pile of shit is still one less shoe to clean.
Noob probably isn’t drunk all the time. That’s got to help.
Thanks for admitting you’re an ignorant ass.
All who will SNOT suck Orange Dick are ignorant asses!!! Got shit!!!
"He was convicted at trial by unanimous decision of a jury that was partially selected by his own lawyers."
A trail where the crooked judge ruled pretrial that the defence couldn't present their evidence, and the foreman of which gave an interview to the TV cameras BEFORE the trail finished saying that she and the others were going to get Trump.
Who the fuck do you think you're kidding? That was a DNC show trial. Nothing else.
And yet, he was not convicted for rape.
And yet, OJ Simpson was not convicted for murder. This PROVES His Innocence!!! Beyond a treasonable doubt, no doubt!!!
Innocent until proven guilty, Herr ᛋᛋqrlsy. You don't get to jail or fine people on unproven accusations unless you're a Democrat.
Thank PervFected YOU for defending OJ Simpson!!!
(Now do the Tumpanzees gone apeshit, or Trump lawyers like Sidney Powell, please!!!)
Enlightened One, AKA Light-Bearer Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer says (in contravention of THOUSANDS of years of traditional practice) says that LYING IN COURT (AKA perjury) should be CELEBRATED instead of punished!
https://reason.com/2023/10/20/how-sidney-powells-plea-deal-could-hurt-trump-in-the-georgia-racketeering-case/
https://reason.com/2022/02/11/sidney-powell-disowns-her-kraken-saying-she-is-not-responsible-for-her-phony-story-of-a-stolen-election/ (Yet another Powell article)
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child?
WHY do you evil people love it SOOOOO much when lawyers LIE in court? Is it the lawyers that You love, the lies, or both?
Conspiracy theories or cunt-spermacy theories; which appeal to ye the MOISTEST?!?!? And twat does Spermy Daniels say about tit all? Are Ye Perfectly titillated yet?
Spermy Daniels for Der TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer’s new VEEP!!! Shit is TWAT too late to CHANGE the VEEP! Government Almighty already KNOWS that The TrumptatorShit will need MANY-MANY (affordable) criminal defense lawyers, and Spermy Daniels can attract MANY “Pro Boner” lawyers!!!
And it turned out Sidney Powell was 100% right. That's what you get for outdated links.
So LYING in court, contra THOUSANDS of years of moral-ethical precedents, is a GOOD thing! Thus Spoke Moose-Mammary the Necrophiliac!!! ALL HAIL, peons!!!
The people who lied in court turned out to be Dominion.
And the Earth is really flat, and the moon landings were faked! Got it!
"someone who very publicly cheats on her husband with her married boss" What the fuck are you blathering about? Harris wasn't married when she dated Brown and Brown was separated from his wife and Brown wasn't her boss. You're a dumb fuck.
It’s cool when city officials fuck each other.
Is there video? Asking... For a fiend!!!
- In 1994, Speaker of the California Assembly Willie Brown, who was then dating Harris, appointed her to the state Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and later to the California Medical Assistance Commission.
- In 1996 Willie Brown became Mayor of San Francisco.
- In February 1998, Harris was “recruited” as an assistant district attorney in San Francisco.
- She was then appointed as the chief of the Career Criminal Division, supervising five other attorneys,
- In August 2000, Harris was given a position at San Francisco City Hall and ran the Family and Children’s Services Division.
- In 2002, Mayor Willie Brown ran Harris’ campaign for District Attorney of San Francisco.
- In 2004, Willie Brown left the Mayors office.
- In 2019 Willie Brown wrote in a piece in the San Francisco Chronicle that he may have “influenced” her career by appointing her to boards and running her campaign for District Attorney.
Don’t try to fuck with the facts, Jeffy.
Ed is Pedo Jeffy?
Maybe, he's either Tony, Mike or Jeff's puppet. Shrike and Sarc sound less like a Media Matters pamphlet. Their stupidity is more organic.
Thanks for the links, Oh Ye PervFected arbiter of THE FACTS!!! Because I said so!!!
Wait... which one do you think isn't true. Tell me.
ALL of the ones for which You did SNOT provide a link!!!! Because truth-seeking and benevolent people can SNOT trust PervFected Ye, suicide-hustler and ID-theft-admirer and practitioner!
Here you go shithead. Every date verifiable, everything mentioned there:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris#Early_career
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Brown_(politician)#Favoritism,_patronage_criticisms,_and_FBI_investigations
Ctrl+f your heart out.
You're a steaming, lying pile of lefty shit. FOAD, asshole.
Today saw a roadkill squirrel that a crow was pecking at. Felt bad for the squirrel. If spasmo were to become roadkill, I’d feel bad for the vehicle.
In elections, small minds focus on people and personality
A rapist like Clinton or Biden?
So, who am I going to believe?
A bunch of women from Arkansas who have an impeccable record, or a lawyer, a politician and a career politician who lies like a rug?
Then we have Biden who has his record regarding Tara Reade sealed for some strange reason. It's like our notorious POTUS is hiding something.
Those rapists?
Don't forget all the videos of him sniffing kids and his own daughter's diary.
I have to agree. As a committed Christian, I'm mystified as to why the Christian right has openly embraced Trump. Based on policy alone I did vote for him, in secret, and with great embarrassment, hoping no one would find out, but I just can't do it again and look myself in the mirror. He shows absolutely no signs of any spiritual beliefs, and definitely no signs of spiritual maturity.
Yeah. Not a word of that was true. 100% made up. This is just like all those other "I'm a rugged white Christian conservative male who's voting for Kamala" bots currently spamming X.
Plus - the implication that he can only vote for a 'spiritual' politician.
HA! Such posturing baloney! You aren't voting for Pope or your local preacher you
idiotsanctimonious bozo - you're voting for the guy who is going to hopefully set the US back on course with the constitution. ... hopefully... on a course towards consistency with.....Where is Marianne Williamson when you need her - right? I guess she would have been your pick if she was available then.
I've got a big, beautiful bridge for sale.
Does it cum along with Queen Spermy Daniels in the middle of shit?
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, damn-shit-all!!!
Just because politics makes moral issues political doesn’t mean they cease to be religious.
And get out with that sophist “abortion isn’t in the Bible” bullshit. Murder is.
I’ve only a handful of times had issues with a priest or pastor ridiculing a candidate for political office. And it was aimed at Trump. I have had way more issues with the argument that gun rights are evil coming from pulpits than even hearing about abortion.
"And get out with that sophist “abortion isn’t in the Bible” bullshit. Murder is."
Trying to bedazzle the readers with elementary school sophistry isn't the sophisticated writing strategy that most Reason writers tend to think it is.
Here is THE sophisticated writing from Marxist Moose-Mammary-Necrophilia-Rotten-Bodies-Humper!!!
Hey Mamma the Highly Esteemed, Expert Christian Theologian!
https://reason.com/2021/03/24/for-the-first-time-a-majority-of-republicans-support-same-sex-marriage/
Have You figured out yet, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? I am waiting with bated breath!
Also, how is Your Followership building up? I mean, for Your “Expert Theologians for Worshipful Methods of Identity Theft”? Where do we subscribe to Your Newsletter?
Hear, hear, HEAR ye the self-righteous preachings of MammaryBahnFuhrer! (Imported below). She knows JUST the right “Popular-with-the-Cool-Kids-in-Her-Own-Mind” theology to espouse, along with wearing JUST the right purse, hairstyle, whorestyle, and other accessories! Meanwhile, in the EXACT same source, She engaged in identity theft! Her heart, in truth, is a ravening black hole of hypocrisy, greedy self-righteousness, and other evils!
Now, the preachings of The Great Mammary. Note that She picks the verses that say that the right BELIEFS and whorestyles get you “in” with the “in” crowd, and then you’re free to engage in ID theft and other evils, at will!
Mammary-style whorestyles - preachings below:
It amazes me how Americans living in a purportedly Christian culture don't even understand the basic tenets of its theology.
Pretty much the whole point of Christianity is that everyone has sinned and is worthy of damnation so God became a human and took our punishment for us. And the libertarian angle is, that you still have a choice to accept or reject the gift already given.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 6:23 ESV: For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:16-17 ESV: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
(End of Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer-style preachings.)
We can pick and chose our Bible verses to justify ANY evils we WANT TO justify! And YOU equate "fashionable theology to justify ANY evil shit that I want to do" with Your fashionable hairstyle and whorestyle! Got the right fashionable BELIEFS, and so then The Queen can do WHATEVER She wants! Your BELIEFS will protect You from the consequences of Your evil actions? Do You not GET this, Oh Fashionable Queen of the Internet Cesspools?
So what was wrong with what I said, Crazypants. It was 100% correct.
100% correct that YOU PervFectly KNOW how Your Fashionable and Righteous Whorestyle and Hairstyle will SAVE YOU from the cuntsequences of YOUR freely chosen evil words and actions! Your LIES about this matter (and others) will SNOT save Yer PervFected Ass!!! Karma will prevail. Twat cums around, goes around, always.
Yeah, I don't think even you understand what you just wrote.
Purest projection! YOU cunt understand SHIT, therefor I can't, either!
And get out with that sophist “abortion isn’t in the Bible” bullshit. Murder is.
It's actually a really, really, *really* retarded take. *The* Biblical story is about the sacrifice of self and children. If you're going to redeem all mankind through one abortion, it's a terrible, horrible tragedy, but one that must be done. Otherwise, you're an abominable heretic tempting people to their most craven desires including the murder of themselves and others.
Well, the stupid vote also seems to be waning, so that will hurt Cackles a lot more.
Overturning RvW removed millions of single-issue Christian voters from the voting pool. Bad for Republicans.
Hmmm. I wonder.
One of the very few talking points republicans actually followed through on, and they shoot themselves in the foot. I wonder if this only happened because Trump accidentally succeeded despite the republican establishment whose plan seemed to be planned failure in the small government, religious and fiscally conservative issues to keep the voting going for the GOP to benefit military industrial complex and other big businesses.
Credit given where credit is due. Trump got it done.
Does anyone believe that anyone who writes an article Reason would print would know a damned thing about what religious people think?
I was actually thinking precisely the opposite. Projection.
The pseudo-religious "In this house we believe..." vote is waning and Kamala can't pull back on the stick hard enough to avoid slamming into the ground and leaving a smoldering crater her wake.
" . . . church leaders face tough choices about how to inspire their congregations without violating the law."
Well, it is not a problem if they actually let Kamala into the pulpit, so how can it be a problem to say "get out there and vote!"?
And violating the law is a time tested way to witness; ask the guy they named all the streets after.
(Who would get booed out of any democrat meeting today)
What an absolute cringe article. Abortion has been delegated back to the states. A few hardliners decided that wasn't enough and are throwing a tantrum that Trump isn't pushing for a national ban. With virtually no time series data to back the assertion up, Congdon assures us that Trump is dooooommmmmed!!! by the loss of religious conservatives. Even though he's up dramatically in the polls. And Trump has pulled in the endorsements of Musk, RFK Jr. and Gabbard. And the tantrum-throwers get ratioed by other religious voters pointing out that abortion is the centerpiece of his opponent's campaign.
And this is coming from Reason, the mouthpiece of managerial-technocratic libertarianism that spent years telling us that they might be okay with Republicans, if they'd just ditch those icky cultural and religious conservatives.
Also from an antisemitic author lying about Jewish ‘genocide’.
Abortion has been delegated back to the states AND EVERYTIME its on the ballot, pro-choice wins. It doesn't matter where. And its on the ballot in multiple states again. Care to make a prediction about what is likely to happen?
You have to remember for the hypocrites, the only acceptable abortion is MY ABORTION.
Why should we care about bullshit posts from steaming piles of lefty shit?
>>MY ABORTION
is this an opinion poll?
"You have to remember for the hypocrites, the only acceptable abortion is MY ABORTION."
Sorry ghoul, but your strawman accusation is absolute bullshit. This is just like where you psychotics claim that nobody wants to take care of the unwanted children despite there being a billion religious charities dedicated to just that.
It always amazes me how you evil fucks think you can just waltz in and say any old shit unchallenged, just because it works at Huffpo.
"This is just like where you psychotics claim that nobody wants to take care of the unwanted children"
That's not the argument and never has been. The argument is that, with thousands of children waiting in vain for adoption, they are already overwhelmed by the present group of foster kids. Adding a million or so more each year won't change that problem, just make it grow even larger.
It absolutely is an argument that has been made at this very site. So you’re either lying or ignorant.
As I understand it, the "thousands of children waiting in vain for adoption" is because of the numerous hurdles prospective parents have to jump through in order to adopt an American baby. It's why many elect to adopt a baby from another country.
That's the story that people who want to flood more thousands of unwanted kids into an overwhelmed system tell, and it's as accurate as "regulations are what makes American manufacturing expensove". It's bullshit.
The saying that anti-abortionists care about fetuses, not children, is pretty spot on.
"The argument is that, with thousands of children waiting in vain for adoption, they are already overwhelmed by the present group of foster kids."
Except that is a lie.
There are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States — which means there are as many as 36 waiting families for every one child who is placed for adoption.
So why are there so many kids waiting to be adopted? Where are these parents who so badly want to adopt one of the 368,000 children in foster care. That’s not even including the various private adoption companies. It’s not like no one knows where these kids are. So where are these 2 million couples? Stuck in traffic?
Even abortions of LITERAL CLUMPS OF CANCER are SNOT acceptable to the fanatics!!!
Oklahoma now vying with Idaho for most fanatical!
https://news.yahoo.com/woman-cancerous-pregnancy-told-wait-215500885.html
Woman with Cancerous Pregnancy Was Told to Wait in Parking Lot Until She Was 'Crashing'
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/molar-pregnancy/symptoms-causes/syc-20375175
From there, we see that MOLAR PREGNANCIES ARE NEVER VIABLE!!! Yet fascist assholes like sore-in-the-cunt cuntsorevaturds want to endanger women in the Sacred Name of Unique Human DNA, which is present in a womb-slave!
From the listed source…
There are two types of molar pregnancy — complete molar pregnancy and partial molar pregnancy. In a complete molar pregnancy, the placental tissue swells and appears to form fluid-filled cysts. There is no fetus.
In a partial molar pregnancy, the placenta might have both regular and irregular tissue. There may be a fetus, but the fetus can’t survive. The fetus usually is miscarried early in the pregnancy.
"Muh magical Birth Canal Fairy."
Muh magical Birth Canal Fairy will turn clumps of LITERAL CANCER CELLS into viable pre-babies!!! DOCTOR Marxist Moose-Mammary the Necrophiliac SAID so!
You're a clump of cells you stupid fuck. So is your mom, the orderly down the hall and the plant in your nuthouse atrium.
How is calling a fetus or an embryo a clump of cells some sort of rejoinder?
A clump of fecal cells is his snack.
It’s funny because he admitted he eats poop.
Stupid and evil is ass stupid and evil does! Keep on WORSHITTING clumps of CANCER, evil PervFected and EVIL-infected Bitch!
your hope chest is rivaling Sullum's.
Christians on Trump in a nutshell: “Donald Trump is going to embarrass me every day of the year, but unlike the other side, he doesn’t hate my faith, and constantly seek to do me harm.
The establishment thinks that just because they don't encounter and can't hear Christians, that Christian's can't hear them.
But Christians see the constant nonsensical screeching about "cHrIsTiAn nAtiONaLisM". They see how Hollywood regards them. They see the invective coming from mouthpieces like Shrike and Jeff. They see the double standards with Islam. They see the gloating think pieces about how religion is on the decline.
And because they can see all that, they know who has declared themselves their enemy. Hint: It's not Trump.
Basically the Christians are just voting for the candidate less likely to make their faith illegal one day.
That's how I see it. Dems hate me and people like me. Just be sure to understand it.
What many Dem supporters don’t get is democrats in power hate them too.
I'd say the second paragraph even applies to non-Christians.
Like gloating think pieces celebrating the disappearance of the moral reprobates and cultural neanderthals that defeated the Nazis.
"Basically the Christians are just voting for the candidate less likely to make their faith illegal one day."
Making the faith illegal would be the best thing to re-invigorate the religion. Religions thrive under state repression. Look at China, the fastest growth of Christianity in the world today. Japan during the Tokugawa period. Go back to the Roman empire if you are more comfortable with ye olde world.
Don't confuse correlation with causation. Christianity grew quickly under those time periods because it was new and unknown, not because it was being repressed.
He doesn't care. He just wants to repress Christianity. He's made that clear on other threads.
Oh I know. Spouting nonsense is his spiel. But if no one feeds him, he'll starve.
Wait til you see wants he wants to do to the practitioners of Judaism.
Good example. Stateless Jews thrived despite thousands of years of persecution. Once a state was founded supposedly dedicated to the cause of Judaism, the religion lost its bearings and the state devoted itself to colonialism and genocide. Those who still take their Judaism seriously refuse to serve in the Israeli military, and march shoulder to shoulder with groups like Hamas, waving the Palestinian flag, signalling their rejection of Israel and the Zionist project.
You’re a sick, Marxist piece of shit, and an Islamist enthusiast. So we get it. You hate Israel, and love Hamas.
Another good example.
Would you assess Islam to be as bad or even worse than Christianity?
Just curious what you answer is.
I admire the teachings of Christianity. I'm not so familiar with Islam, but it seems similar. I wouldn't characterize them as being bad. Their so-called followers are another story. If I were to choose a favorite, it might be Taoism, though not as it is currently practiced in places like Taiwan, but in the original scriptures of Lao Tze.
Thank you for a serious answer.
I know plenty of great people who are Christian, and I'm sure there are many great Muslims, but I don't admire either religion. I would argue, though, that Islam is (far) worse, when you study not just the Quran, but especially the Hadith.
"I would argue, though, that Islam is (far) worse,"
I wouldn't say that. Look at Palestine today. The place is full of Christians, Leftists and others but it's conservative Muslims who are leading the fight against apartheid and Israeli occupation. What use is a religion or political doctrine if it can't stand up for the rights and dignity of its followers? The conservative Muslims leading the fight are all in and willing to sacrifice themselves for the cause. I'm not sure how you define them as worse. They actually believe in their teachings and willing to act on their faith. Compare to the so-called Christians commenting here. They are hypocritical cynics to the man.
"when you study not just the Quran, but especially the Hadith."
I haven't studied either, and am not about to. I go by a vague knowledge of the teachings, but mostly the actions of the followers.
"...conservative Muslims who are leading the fight against apartheid and Israeli occupation..."
You really ought to shut up rather than show your ignorance.
"...I’m not so familiar with Islam, but it seems similar..."
You ought to shut up rather than show your ignorance.
I do care. I understand you claim to be a Christian, but choose to ignore the teachings of Christ, a fairly typical American Christian, in other words. You are in no position to judge me.
"You're ignoring the teachings of Christ, because Jesus said you're supposed to be compassionate or something didn't he?
Sure this argument won't work on me because I hate you and I have nothing but contempt for your skyfairy and your primitive beliefs, but maybe if I use it on you, you'll do what I want."
What you're doing is called "concern trolling", chum.
"What you’re doing is called “concern trolling”, chum."
I get it. You're sensitive about your hypocrisy and cynicism. Let's move on. How's the masturbation going?
Why don’t you get together with Sarc and Pedo Jeffy on that? You’re deviant scum, just like them.
" You’re deviant scum, just like them."
You forgive me, though, don't you?
"You’re sensitive about your hypocrisy and cynicism."
No, I'm sensitive about your hypocrisy and cynicism. Literally what you were doing by concern trolling.
"Let’s move on. How’s the masturbation going?"
Fuck you're gross, creeper, but if you absolutely have to know, it's going fantastic, because unlike you I do it with the old lady instead of with kids.
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Thanks for reminding me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWKrAQAhu-k
Don't worry. It's the bowdlerized version.
Gilbert, Sullivan and Christopher Lee would come back from the dead just to kick your ass if they could read some of the shit you post.
No, I have committed no crime, merely airing my opinion on issues that make you uncomfortable. That's down to you. You evidently have your own demons to exorcise.
So an atheist new Marxist, such as yourself, presumes to lecture actual Christians about their faith? You aren't even capable of understanding christianity, let alone wag your finger at anyone.
I'm not an atheist new Marxist. But I will continue to wag my finger. Back to the drawing board with you.
We established in previous threads that you have no basis in scriptural teaching for what you're claiming are the teachings of Christ. You're doing nothing more than trying to insert your twisted desire to immiserate the faithful into Christianity. You're a liar, a fraud and a false prophet.
We established no such thing except that you are a cynic and a hypocrite. You are familiar with the teachings of Christ, yet you ignore them, all the while styling yourself as a devoted follower. You are contemptible.
Someone long ago had an interesting observation: those countries with a State religion had far fewer people going to church than countries without. Probably only compared the US with Europe. But it sounds plausible to me.
"Christianity grew quickly under those time periods because it was new and unknown"
You haven't understood what I wrote. China is the area where Christianity is growing fastest. It is neither new nor unknown. It was introduced to China as early as the Yuan dynasty under the Mongols, hundreds of years before it came to America. Christianity in China is neither new nor unknown. It is very much repressed and there are many Westerners there secretly proselytizing, The repression keeps Christians honest. Compare with the US where politicians constantly pander to the Christian vote, all the while ignoring the teaching of the gospel, and corrupting the innocent.
You seem to be implying that US Christians are abnormally gullible.
I'd say they are normally gullible. If abnormality is what you're after, try abnormally hypocritical.
Your argument is that Christianity has already saturated China and that the populace is well-versed in its teachings.
Okay.
I've stated at least twice now that China has the world's fastest growing number of Christians. Deal with it.
Great. Percentage-wise? Absolute numbers? Got come context, some cites?
Meaningless for a country with the world's second largest population.
" Percentage-wise? Absolute numbers? Got come context, some cites?"
If you are curious, look it up. Don't expect me to do you work for you.
In the time you took to answer back with a snark reply, you could have just answered the question. You are the one, after all, who made the claim.
I honestly don't know the answer. I'm not terribly interested. I urge those who are interested in Stupid Government Trick's questions to roll up their sleeves and do their own research. Or if they really feel that I can do a better job, at least ask me politely.
I didn't argue with that. I assert that you have no real evidence that the reason it's growing quickly in China is because of government repression.
I'm assuming, of course, that you understand the difference between rate of growth (which is high in China) and total percentage of the population that has a firm knowledge of Christianity.
" I assert that you have no real evidence that the reason it’s growing quickly in China is because of government repression."
I believe state antagonism to religion can strengthen the faith, and state pandering only weakens it. It's not 'real evidence' I grant you, but I never claimed it was. If you believe otherwise, don't be afraid to tell us. Nipping at my heels like this accomplishes nothing.
Not nipping. Giving you what you want. Attention.
I appreciate the attention. And I'm happy you are not nipping. I just wish you'd be a little more generous and put a little more thought into your responses.
I give it the thought it deserves.
The democrat party is seething with hatred for all successful straight white males. Period. many of them happen to be christian but targeting and hating christians is just part of their larger hatred for all white middle class families.
"The democrat party is seething with hatred for all successful straight white males. Period."
No, Try poorly educated straight white males. And the successful make good contributors.
Dems can't hate them that much since they've had at least one on every Presidential ticket since the year 2000.
What this really points out is how wrong it is to have that bullshit "non-profit" exemption. It might make sense if no one working at non-profits received any pay, whether money or in-kind (such as free meals at a soup kitchen). Could Elon Musk declare X a non-profit since he has no share holders? Whatever the legal jargon answer is, just being able to ask that question without knowing the answer shows how wrong the concept is.
"just being able to ask that question without knowing the answer shows how wrong the concept is."
Embrace the mystery. That's the Christian thing to do. You want a 'wrong concept?' How about one God, three persons? Embrace the mystery.
"Whatever the legal jargon answer is, just being able to ask that question without knowing the answer shows how wrong the concept is."
As long as you know words, you can ask any question you want. That doesn't show anything, except your incredible ignorance about something as basic as the difference between a for-profit and a not-for-profit organization.
About 102 million people of faith—including "32 million self-identified Christians who regularly attend church"—are likely to abstain from voting in November
So either there’s a typo or this is complete bullshit. There’s about 235 million eligible voters in the United States. You’re trying to tell me that 44% of them are “people of faith,” who are specifically choosing to sit out this election. 66% of eligible voters voted in 2020. That’s a fucking massive number.
Keep in mind that religious people skew older, and voter activity increases with age as well. The most apathetic eligible voter population are younger people who are less likely to identify as people of faith.
If you saw this and immediately believed it you are really fucking gullible.
I took it as the usual sloppy journalist reading "102 Americans are religious" and converting that to "voters". Even if it were voters, it sure isn't likely voters. The article is too sloppy to take seriously.
The sentence as constructed is just wrong. I don’t need to do research to prove it, the arithmetic just doesn’t bear out. And if this shows up in the first sentence of an article, why would I read the rest of the article? It’s pure bullshit right out of the gate.
Welcome to Reason.
When everyone is an editor, nobody is.
Which is why I said none of this makes sense without time series data. The research and reporting might be sloppy. But, if it's consistently sloppy, it might still reveal trends. We just have no evidence that it does. The overcount in this election is consistent with what the overcount in previous elections would be, then the claim that the religious vote is waning wouldn't hold. As you suggest, the numbers look, at first glance, like garbage. But, I can accept that there are a lot of religious voters not voting in 2024. And there were a lot of religious voters who didn't vote in 2020, 2016, 2012, 2008.....
The author of this article is a far left Hamas supporting kook intern. So take his writing for what it’s worth.
Do they give interns the deputy managing editor title?
Apparently.
You get a deputy managing editor title! And you get a deputy managing editor title! You all get a deputy managing editor title!
It must be like a personal banker getting a ‘vice president’ title working at a bank.
Can't be worse than Kamala serving as vice president of a bank!
Well, how about Der TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer ass the Teller-Server at the Sperm Bank of the Queen Spermy Daniels? Would THAT be any worsererer perhaps?
Damsel-in-Distress (and in this stained blue dress) Queen Spermy Daniels will DRINK to THAT shit, damn-shit-all!!!
Seeing as how Trump has successfully launched and grown something like 100 businesses to something like 4 failed businesses, no, Trump as VP of a bank would not be "worsererer."
We KNOW He can Make America Great Again, because, as a bad-ass businessman, He Made Himself and His Family Great Again! He Poozzy Grasper in Chief!
See The Atlantic article
https://feedreader.com/observe/theatlantic.com/politics%252Farchive%252F2016%252F10%252Fdonald-trump-scandals%252F474726%252F%253Futm_source%253Dfeed/+view
“The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet”.
He poozy-snatch His creditors in 6 bankruptcies, His illegal sub-human workers ripped off of pay on His building projects, and His “students” in His fake Get-Rich-like-Me realty schools, and so on. So, He has a GREAT record of ripping others off! So SURELY He can rip off other nations, other ethnic groups, etc., in trade wars and border wars, for the benefit of ALL of us!!!
All Hail to THE Poozzy Grasper in Chief!!!
Most of all, HAIL the Chief, for having revoked karma! What comes around, will no longer go around!!! The Donald has figured out that ALL of the un-Americans are SOOO stupid, that we can poozzy grasp them all day, every day, and they will NEVER think of poozzy grasping us right back!
These voters simply cannot or will not recognize the central illusion of politics… You can poozzy grasp all of the people some of the time, and you can poozzy grasp some of the people all of the time, but you cannot poozzy grasp all of the people all of the time! Sooner or later, karma catches up, and the others will poozzy grasp you right back!
You know, a seven year old opinion piece from a bitter Democrat isn't slam dunk you think it is.
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FOAD, spastic asshole.
Trump appears to be outpolling all of the Republican Senate candidates in swing states and most non-swing states.
The Republicans don't want to hear it, but Trump is way more popular than they are.
Maybe they need to work harder to get shot at.
No, its because of Trump's takeover of the entire RNC establishment. The batshit craziest MAGA freak wins the party primary as each candidate tries to out MAGA the other RINOS...but then has to go against actual competition in the general that will call their psychotic positions out. In addition, oppo research gets done and we find out who they really are and its a very bad look for the general election electorate which is much more moderate than the party primary electorate.
In other words, crazy is as crazy does. You let a clown take over don't be surprised when its a total clown show you get.
You are a mindless thrall to neo Marxist party that considers the book ‘1984’ to be an instruction manual. So your perspective is lacking.
Maybe these fake republicans need to act real conservatives instead of a bunch of gutless, brainless puppets for the democrats.
Meanwhile down ballot democrats are distancing themselves from Kamala's sinking ship and bragging about "working across the aisle".
In districts where they are trying to pull voters from the GOP or independents on the fence*
Lot's Democrats are also feeling the squeeze and are advertising their Trump-bona-fides too.
The only religious voting block that has been threatening to sit out this year's election are left wing anti Semitic Muslims who want to destroy Israel, and who have intimidated Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to demand Israel stop their war (aka a cease fire) against Iranian backed terrorists who still hold 100+ hostages, including many Americans.
In contrast, the theocratic anti abortion extremists will enthusiastically vote for Trump (as Harris' claim she'll legalize abortions nationwide by ending the Senate filibuster and stacking the SCOTUS) scares not only fundamentalists, but all other rationale voters.
Yeah Trump and Vance promising not to support a national abortion ban stands in stark contrast to Kamala's promise to do the exact opposite. I understand hard core pro lifer's reluctance to support Trump's moderate stance. If that's your bottom line do what you gotta do. But they would be wise to consider the consequences of a Harris regime. The DOJ is currently engaged in open lawfare against anti abortion protesters and seeking to censor any dissent from leftist orthodoxy. A Harris regime is likely to be many times worse.
Non-profits are confusing as all get-out. Are they basically state enterprises? Makes me wonder. Also, I wonder if a preacher says from the pulpit "I am voting for Trump", how is that different compared to a preacher telling friends the very same thing in his house, which is paid for by the Church? Does it matter where he is, when he does it, and to whom he is speaking? Is it only when he is getting paid? Am I in trouble if I say who I am voting for when I am at work, or use company email to do it?
"Am I in trouble if I say who I am voting for when I am at work, or use company email to do it?"
In private industry? Not with the law, but possibly with your company.
In government? Well, that's what the Hatch Act is for. While in uniform, speaking as a civil servant, using government resources, you have to refrain from such talk. Because, while you are doing those things, you are not speaking as a private citizen, but as a servant of the government. But once you're off the clock, out of uniform, using your personal e-mail? You can jump on Twitter and scream your bloody heart out the same as everyone else.
Or, to summarize... a civil servant can not partake in political speech while speaking as a civil servant. They can only do so when speaking in their capacity as a private citizen.
Get fucked Rebekah, Trump will win the majority of Christians in America, due in no small part to retards like you judging them hypocritically.
I was raised JW and they do not engage in politics in any way but mostly because they're primary belief is that Armageddon will soon wipe out secularism so attempting to control it is a pointless distraction. The Democrats have gone out of their way to alienate Catholics including Kamala's refusal to show up at a formerly obligatory non partisan Catholic charity event and Whitmer mocking the communion. For Muslims it's a pox on both houses due to support for Israel although there is some movement to Trump because he is promising to move quickly to peace in the region. The regime and their elitist coastal propagandists view evangelicals as fly over deplorables. If they do vote it will be for Trump who at least doesn't openly hate them. Kamala has switched sides again and now fully supports Israel but a lot of Jews have not forgiven the Democrats for open anti Semitism on the left. They are much more likely support Trump.
Kamala has switched sides again and now fully supports Israel but a lot of Jews have not forgiven the Democrats for open anti Semitism on the left.
And she's lost the pro-Palestinian side as well. It's like she's politically incompetent, or something.
Yes. It's obviously a calculated attempt to buy back the Jewish vote because the Muslims are a lost cause. But it may be too little too late.
I think American Jews will overwhelming support the Democrats, if only because of their cosmopolitanism and disdain for the idiotic bigotry of middle American.
Just like the black vote, Trump doesn't need to win a majority of the Jewish vote. He only needs to siphon off more than Republicans normally get to shift the race dramatically. Or even have those normally solid blue voters stay home or vote 3rd party. Perhaps Chase will pick up more votes as a result. Wait, scratch that, I'm told Chase is gay and people won't vote for him solely based on that.
"And she’s lost the pro-Palestinian side as well. "
If Harris loses to Trump, it's possible there will be a major shake-up with her party, with her and the pro-genocide gerontocracy being purged and a leftist party emerging from the ruins. A Trump victory would also likely spur the Republicans to move even further to the right. Exciting times, where Americans have something other than two candidates from the uniparty to choose from on election day.
If Harris wins, I see much more of the same. Trump will disappear and the uniparty will regain its per-eminence.
Really? Because going full islamic terrorist is the end of the democrat party. Only scum like you support Hamas.
Yeah, go nuts with that you dumb bitch.
" Because going full islamic terrorist is the end of the democrat party. "
If that's what it takes, so be it. Good riddance. I personally don't believe that Islamism is the ticket, though. It'll be couched in anti-colonialism anti-imperialism terms in keeping with the traditional American values that fueled the revolution of 1776.
Your party is pro Hamas.
Party harty!
If Harris loses to Trump, it’s possible there will be a major shake-up with her party, with her and the pro-genocide gerontocracy being purged and a leftist party emerging from the ruins.
Chicago didn't get set on fire during the DNC, so this won't happen.
"Chicago didn’t get set on fire during the DNC, so this won’t happen."
There were lots of cities burning while Trump was president. With any luck, next time around, the city burning will once again resume, taking the corrupt and out of touch Democrat party with it.
If Harris loses to Trump, it’s possible there will be a major shake-up with her party, with her and the pro-genocide gerontocracy being purged and a leftist party emerging from the ruins.
Personally I think it’s more likely to be the left wing of the party that will be purged. The Democrats are becoming more and more the Republicans of the 1920s (I’m thinking more of Harding and Hoover than Coolidge, who was sort of an accident), while the Republicans are becoming Bryant-style Democrats.
If I were a cynical politician faced with choosing support from Wall Street and the MIC or from feckless college students, I know which one I’d pick.
A Trump victory would also likely spur the Republicans to move even further to the right.
Meh – I suspect it might help to vent their rage and calm things down a bit, honestly. Now a Harris victory, I think that pushes Republicans further to the right (in the cultural, not economic, sense), likely rallying around Vance.
"I suspect [Trump winning] might help to vent their rage and calm things down a bit, honestly."
We heard this in 2016 too. It didn't really work out.
Do you think it would have been better if he'd lost?
Sure. Losing three elections in a row is pretty damning, and would almost certainly have forced the Republican party to reevaluate and re-calibrate. For Trump himself, he would have gone back to being an entertainer, probably spinning his almost-successful campaign into a revived TV show, and never become a serious politician.
There would have been a new "we swear this is totally a grass-roots movement of normal Americans and not being propped up by the Republican party" movement like the Tea Party that would have whined and bitched for a while and accomplished very little, and we never would have had a J-6-like event.
If you don't agree, then I think you're drastically underestimating the effect Trump has had on Republican politics.
"Personally I think it’s more likely to be the left wing of the party that will be purged. "
Who knows? The left wing wanted Sanders, who would have wiped the floor with Trump in 2016. It was establishment Democrats that brought us Clinton, both of them, Biden, Harris etc. Obama is a bit of an outlier, an establishment toady to his core, but his skin color gave him a pass with the leftists.
"Now a Harris victory, I think that pushes Republicans further to the right (in the cultural, not economic, sense), likely rallying around Vance."
You're right. Trump's loss could lead to a split and break within the Republicans. Cheneys going one way, Trump cultists the other. Trump himself may soon be irrelevant, a spell in the slammer has cooled the ardor of many a failed politician.
"or from feckless college students, I know which one I’d pick."
The college students that matter are the unfeckless. They are idealistic, committed, courageous, and full of energy. It comes with youth.
"If they do vote it will be for Trump who at least doesn’t openly hate them. Kamala has switched sides again and now fully supports Israel but a lot of Jews have not forgiven the Democrats for open anti Semitism on the left. They are much more likely support Trump."
Trump has told us that if he were to lose the election, he'll know who to blame. Jews. After everything he's done for Jews in America, Israel, and the rest of the world, Trump fears their ingratitude and knee jerk devotion to the jew hating Democrats will cost him the presidency.
"I was raised JW and they do not engage in politics in any way "
I've always admired that about Jehovah's Witnesses. I remember in grade 3 a girl would sit through the national anthem and Lord's prayer while the rest of us stood in feigned respect. It must have taken a lot of courage to stand out that way. Another thing I admire is their willingness to share, going door to door offering the prospect of eternal life in paradise. Other denominations have similar beliefs, of course, but it's the Witnesses that make such a dedicated effort to share.
You think 100 million people, effectively a quarter of the population, won’t vote at all because they equally hate both candidates. Ok.
What I'm seeing is polls taken before at a recent rally Kamala shoved both her feet so far down her throat that she can play footsie with her duodenum. Which means they are almost certainly largely invalid, assuming they had any significant credibility to begin with.
Reading through the study, one thing that stuck out for me is the fact that the population is aging out of the churches. I think that IS something that conservatives should keep an eye on.
In the mega churches I have encountered around CA and CO, this is a real effect. As older, socially conservative evangelicals shuffle on from this mortal coil, churches increasingly look to replace them with youth. And those kids have been polarized in schools and by social media. This has led many of the youth groups I've worked with to become "Jesus was a Socialist" political, or almost militantly Apolitical. They are doing everything in their power to attract these kids who have been trained that it is FASCISM!!(TM) to be pro-life. And that is leading to major culture shifts in the kids.
All that said, kids in general are notoriously fickle voters that are very difficult to turnout. So it may be less about religion, and more of the same story that younger generations are not reliable voters no matter what.
“All that said, kids in general are notoriously fickle voters that are very difficult to turnout. ”
Young people tend to be more idealistic. They are not moved by the likes of Trump, Harris etc. They turned out for Bernie Sanders, who has what it takes to inspire the young. It was the cynical gerontocracy within the Democrats who shut Sanders down. Even Republicans voiced grudging respect for his integrity.
The same Republicans like Cheney - who is now sitting with Democrats and espousing policies that are directly opposite what they espoused before they were kicked out of office.
It's hardly surprising. They call it the uniparty. President Harris will likely see things continue as they have done for as long as I can remember. With president Trump, I see a major shakeup of the political landscape, maybe with a widening gulf between the two branches of the uniparty. Who knows, maybe even an emergence of new political parties devoted to the interests of Christians, Latin@s, Blacks etc.
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“Spouting nonsense is an end in itself.”
FOAD, asswipe.
I'm deleting this comment to move it to respond to Overt.
You should delete the comment as the product of a steaming pile of antisemitic shit.
FOAD, asshole.
This is complete bullshit unsupported by any data. This is regime propaganda.
"If your pastor doesn't INSIST you vote in his next sermon, he may as well preach on the blessings of abortion. It's the same thing. And if you attend a church like that, you share in the guilt."
This is the anti-abortion movement in a nutshell. The lack of fervent support equals opposition. Opposition is evil. You are guilty (by our definition of association).
The idea that there can be honest disagreement on the abortion issue within communities of faith is anathema. When they bring that intolerance and hate into the public sphere, is it any surprise that authoritarianism is the result?
You just described being a democrat.
Abolitionists were the same.
Somehow, I don't think you mind the bloodshed for their cause.
Its also the pro-abortion movement. If you don't actively support abortions at any time, for any reason, you're an evil monster who wants women to raise the child of their rapist.
In other news, 32 million Christians claim they worship Jesus Christ and not Donald Trump. Church leaders unsure of how they get these backsliders to continue voting for Orange Personal Savior.
First it was Chocolate Jesus, now it's Orange Jesus. Anyone left out there who still believes in that Jewish dude from Nazareth?
First it was the dreamy Biden and now it's the angelic Harris, right, TDS-addled steaming pile of shit?
While I don't oppose women having opinions that doesn't mean I always think they should.
Poor Bekah.
Poor slimy antisemite Bekah.
She really should fuck off and die; the world needs fewer antisemite shits like her.
Bekah, did you run the numbers?
You're saying this study is saying that *half the adult population of the US* is planning on sitting out the election?
Did you ask how this was determined and what the error bars on this are?
Did you ask how this compares to previous elections?
Did you look into the ACU and see what its political leanings are - not what you *assume they are*?
No, you did not. You took it at face value and then padded out an article with mostly irrelevant things.
"The Religious Vote Is Waning—And That Could Spell Trouble for Trump."
Wrong, Mr. Congdon.
After three and a half years of the incompetent and demented Biden, more people are thanking God he's not running for re-election.
The bad news is Harris is running in his place which will send more people to pray to God she loses.
"more people are thanking God he’s not running for re-election."
They are mistaken. If God wanted Trump to be president, he would have kept Biden in place and not arranged for all these assassination attempts. 4 by my count.
You can't count then.
I count the first as armed FBI agents being sent to Trump's villa in Florida with orders to kill Trump. The second was in Pennsylvania, third, Florida again, and fourth, recently in California. I am not including any of the Iranian plots to kill Trump in revenge against him ordering the killing of an important general.
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"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
FOAD, asshole.
Let's repeal the Johnson Amendment and then simple remove tax exempt status for religious organization altogether. Religious organization should get no more of a tax break than other organization, particularly other organizations making money. Tax exemption should be limited to groups that do real charitable work. Feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, educate children, or heal the sick. Saving souls does not warrant tax exemption in my mind.