Biden and Graham Reportedly Schemed on How 'To Go to War For Saudi Arabia'
The Republican senator said it would “take a Democratic president” to commit American troops to defend the Saudi kingdom, according to a new book.

Democrats and Republicans can't agree on much. But when it comes to sending Americans to war, the two parties are often willing to set aside their differences. In his new book War, investigative journalist Bob Woodward reports that Sen. Lindsey Graham (R–S.C.) had a shockingly blunt conversation with President Joe Biden about how to make it happen.
Graham reportedly said that only Biden could secure a U.S.-Saudi defense treaty, because it would "take a Democratic president to convince Democrats to vote to go to war for Saudi Arabia" during a meeting last year. "Let's do it," Biden responded, according to Woodward.
The conversation took place in the context of Biden's attempts to negotiate a "megadeal" between the United States, Saudi Arabia, and Israel. Graham had a publicly reported meeting with Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman in support of the deal in April 2023. The idea, which Republican vice presidential candidate Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) also supports, was to create a permanent, U.S.-led security alliance in the Middle East.
At the time, the Biden administration was downplaying the level of commitment it was willing to offer Saudi Arabia. Anonymous officials kept claiming that the proposed agreement would fall short of a full commitment to go to war. As a trial balloon, the administration signed a vaguely worded defense agreement with Saudi ally Bahrain without asking Congress, and insisted that it "does not cross the threshold of a treaty."
But behind closed doors, the administration and its allies were reportedly very straightforward about what they wanted to commit Americans to do. Graham told Biden at the White House that bin Salman is "willing to do [the deal] because he gets under our nuclear umbrella and he doesn't have to worry about building a bunch of bombs," according to Woodward.
The book does not say exactly when the meeting took place, except that it was several months before the October 7, 2023, attacks on Israel. In the same conversation, Graham reportedly said that a Republican administration wouldn't be able to secure such a deal.
"Democrats wouldn't vote for it if [former president Donald] Trump introduced it because they hate [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu] and they hate Trump," Graham told Biden, according to the book. "Republicans would vote for the defense agreement with Saudi Arabia if Israel encouraged us to. We can get 45 Republican votes."
Biden assured Graham that he could get the rest of the votes from the Democratic caucus, Woodward reports.
Graham then reportedly conceded that Trump should get "his fair share of the credit" for any U.S.-Saudi deal because of the Abraham Accords, a treaty between Israel, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain that Trump brokered. That's when Graham dropped the line about getting "Democrats to vote to go to war for Saudi Arabia," and Biden agreed.
Woodward claims that Graham even encouraged bin Salman not to risk dealing with a future Trump administration.
"If you want to recognize Israel, you've got to do it on Biden's watch," Graham told the Saudi prince in March 2024, according to the book. "There's no way you're going to get Democrats to vote for a defense agreement to go to war with Saudi Arabia introduced by Donald Trump."
Neither Graham's office nor the White House's National Security Council responded to a request for comment.
Although his reported comments were harsh, Graham was probably not wrong. Congress was much stricter about war powers—and U.S. support for Saudi Arabia specifically—during the Trump era than it has been since Biden took office.
In 2019, both the House and the Senate voted to end U.S. involvement in Saudi Arabia's war effort in Yemen, only for Trump to veto their resolution. But in 2022, the Biden administration convinced Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) to withdraw a similar resolution, by arguing that the president needed flexibility to secure a peace agreement in Yemen.
Still, a formal defense pact was a much taller order. Sanders and 19 other Democratic senators signed a letter on October 3, 2023, expressing their "concern" with the idea of committing American troops to defend "an authoritarian regime which regularly undermines U.S. interests in the region."
What finally killed the deal—or at least put it in suspended animation—was bin Salman's own cold feet. After the October 7 attacks put the Israeli-Palestinian conflict front and center in Arab politics, the Saudi leader began to see it as a dangerous liability.
In early 2024, Saudi negotiators reportedly tried to cut Israel out of the megadeal, an idea the Biden administration rejected. Bin Salman even began telling U.S. officials that he feared being assassinated if he did not stand up for Palestinian rights, Politico and The Atlantic reported.
"Do I care personally about the Palestinian issue? I don't, but my people do," bin Salman told U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken in January 2024, according to The Atlantic. "Half my advisers say that the deal is not worth the risk. I could end up getting killed because of this deal."
Since then, the Biden administration has continued trying to court bin Salman, publicly urging Israel to "take advantage of the opportunity" by giving Saudi Arabia some concessions on Palestinian rights. The crown prince's concern for his life seems to have made an impact.
The risks that American troops would be asked to take for the kingdom were a lesser concern. If Woodward's reporting is to be believed, Biden and Graham found those lives quite easy to trade away.
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One would think that both Biden and Graham would want to “Bring the boys back home.”
Why? Politicians care only about the optics.
Story about how Graham is pressuring Zely to lower the draft age:
https://news.antiwar.com/2024/10/15/us-politicians-are-pressuring-ukraine-to-lower-draft-age-to-18/#gsc.tab=0
Ohhhh ... you mean bring Z's boys back to our home.
Fiona? Is that you?
Reason featured a weekend screed by a lunatic neocon a couple of months ago making the same case. So there is a libertarian case for jamming teenagers into the NATO meat grinder.
Not so related, there is a documentary on the end of the Iron Curtain from the perspective of the then Hungarian Prime Minister. It was finally released into the public domain. It is a little slow, but helps flesh out who opened the borders and why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NSKIu_JZX0
Remember the draft riots in New York City during the Northern War of Aggression.
Dirty Lincoln ordered troops to shoot resisters.
You mean the Civil War, the one the Democrats started so they could expand slavery and run roughshod over states that didn't want slavery (Fugitive Slave Act) while paying lip service to "states' rights" and abusing federal power at every turn they could?
Did they call it ohmic losses?
"Politicians care only about the optics."
Their minions care about the optics. Politicians care about pleasing their sponsors.
By improving the optics. Audiences differ.
While this scenario is plausible, I must remind everyone that Woodward is a lying shitsack. With the primary difference between Woodward and a literal bag of excrement being the bag.
Blue no matter who > No blood for oil.
Yeah....most Republicans hate Graham. No clue how he keeps getting elected. Biden and Graham suck. Saudi Arabia sucks. Iran sucks the most, but I don't want the US to go to war with them unless there is damned good justification
Criticizing Graham means you're a Trump cultist - jeffsarc
You only dislike Graham because he is (apparently) gay.
Our Miss Lindsay is gay? It’s not like he’s taking a moonlit walk down the beach, holding hands with Ricky Martin.
I'm surprised to see Graham stumping for the US to get more involved in a war in the Middle East. That's so unlike him.
If he was out of office he'd join the Cheney's and endorse Kamala.
In a heartbeat.
Makes one wonder who finances his re-elections. Hmmmmm?
Raytheon?, Martin Marrietta? Lockheed? Boeing? Maybe all four. Maybe he gets some help from AIPAC...
It's obvious who Graham is beholden to.
Remember when Saudi Arabia was going to war for Saudi Arabia? I wonder what's changed since then.
Does Woodward cite any actual sources anymore in his CrazyTown writings, or is he just full retard on "reportedly" and "sources close to" now?
Right - why does anyone take him seriously any more?
The democrats are furiously masturbating over his recent claims about Trump. So he’s always got them.
Do I care personally about the Palestinian issue? I don't, but my people do
If ever you needed proof that Muslims want Jews dead, this was it.
If DC were nuked, would it constitute an act of war or an act of justice?
It would be blamed on Trump’s dangerous rhetoric.
The headline should read, "Laurel and Hardy Reportedly Schemed On How 'To Go to War For Saudi Arabia'."
Mustn’t forget Pierre Delecto, Chris Christie, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and all those other “principled conservative” war pigs who were undoubtedly whispering at the same trough.
A US-led alliance between Israel, Saudi Arabia, and a few other Arab states has been the dream of the past few administrations. To your list of names we mustn't forget, we can add Donald Trump, his daughter and son in law, Mike Pompeo, and other figures from his staff. Under Trump, America aligned itself with Israel, Saudi Arabia, al Qaeda and others to try to overthrow the government of Syria and seize oil assets.
Fuck off anti-Semite. I don't give a shit about your toxic Jew-hating conspiracy theories.
No, you shut up. You have much to learn. Once you've done with your hysterical outburst, read again.
A US-led alliance between Israel, Saudi Arabia, and a few other Arab states has been the dream of the past few administrations. To your list of names we mustn’t forget, we can add Donald Trump, his daughter and son in law, Mike Pompeo, and other figures from his staff. Under Trump, America aligned itself with Israel, Saudi Arabia, al Qaeda and others to try to overthrow the government of Syria and seize oil assets.
Check it out and you'll find the man you look up to is every bit the incompetent war monger as the rest of them. His daughter, son in law, and his minions are no better. It's a rotten situation and my feelings about semites are irrelevant.
No, you’re just a jew hating idiot.
The US has pursued an alliance with Israel, Saudi Arabia and a few other Arab states for a while now. Biden, Trump both tried and failed to achieve this. My telling you this somehow makes me a jew hater in your eyes? You need to step away from the keyboard, take up a hobby or something. Ever thought about bird watching? Not a bad time what with the chance to see some migrating species.
All the anti Israeli shit you write makes you a Jew hater. Just like a huge portion of your party.
The US has long been pursuing an alliance between Israel, Saudi Arabia and other Arab states. How does my pointing this out make me anti Israel, anti Semite or anti Jew?
FOAD, Nazi shit.
"The risks that American troops would be asked to take for the kingdom were a lesser concern."
About the risk of going to war for Saudi Arabia. It's minimal. Saudi Arabia is run by pragmatists committed to peace with her neighbors. And any agreement with the US doesn't exist and is not likely to be arranged. The risk is going to war for Israel. It's huge, Israel is run by war mongering fanatics, the agreements are already long in place and American troops are already committed in Israel and also scattered, vulnerable, across the region.
Again with the Jew hating…….
Now concern for the safety of American soldiers in the region is evidence of jew hating. You're a bore and a one note Johnny, Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day).
Indeed. That commentor's attempts at beating you over the head with the "jew hating" or anti Semitic billy club won't work.
Obviously his idea is that anyone who fails to bow and scrape to Israel is an anti-Semitic/ Jew hater.
And a Nazi!
Here in America, we have the freedom to express our opinions, no matter how vulgar, hateful or profane, without fear of retaliation or violence.
It's called the First Amendment.
It absolutely does work because Mfraudman has a history of being a jew hater not in any way confined to today’s discussion.
"Indeed. That commentor’s attempts at beating you over the head with the “jew hating” or anti Semitic billy club won’t work..."
FOAD, Nazi shit.
You have no concern for US Soldiers. You just want to give Israel to radical Muslims.
If you want to know what I want, just ask. I'd be happy to respond.
Oh noes, the U.S. is committing to supporting an ally! Oh noes!
Saudi Arabia isn't stupid; it knows the U.S. military is worthless. And do you think they're going to allow trannies and the LGBQT alphabet on Saudi soil? If so, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
And Bernie Sanders (Commie-Moscow) bleating about "authoritarian regimes" is just priceless.
Reason strategically and reluctantly supports this war.
Free Minds, Free Markets, and Free to War with [insert nation].
War>mean tweets.
Btw, if anyone wants to listen to a real libertarian snatch Billy Binion’s soul, listen to yesterday’s Part of the Problem podcast.
Lew Rockwell on this behavior from regime libertarians.
.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2005/07/lew-rockwell/regime-libertarians/
Thanks. Have seen posts by him on a libertarian TG channel but never did a deep dive into his content.
Someone should kick Light loafered Lindsay's balls in. Not that I'm advocating violence against a member of Congress, but if someone does it, they deserve a commendation.
As for senile Joetato, his time is coming to an end anyway.
I wouldn’t necessarily attach any credibility to claims made by Bob Woodward.
Knowing Light loafered Lindsay's past remarks and positions, it would make sense.
Graham never met a war he didn't like.
As I said further above, it’s plausible. I just don’t trust Woodward, even a little bit.
From his many recent comments on interviews and talk shows, Woodward has both Trump Derangement Syndrome and Netanyahu Derangement Syndrome. His conflating the treaty with going to war for Saudi Arabia is a clear example of BullSheet.
The purpose of the treaty would be 100% contrary to the Obama Doctrine to allow Iran to get the bomb. To be effective as a treaty to protect The Saudi's, Israel, the other Arab states, the US and the western world from Iran, the treaty would have to a mutual defense treaty.
Who sabotaged to deal by leaking it to Iran? We know now that Biden is a serial leaker of state secrets, even more so that Trump. From what we have seen post Oct 7th, Biden is still fully committed to his deal to help Iran get the bomb and protect Iran from Israel. Perhaps, the most crucial words in this article are:
"“As a trial balloon, the administration signed a vaguely worded defense agreement with Saudi ally Bahrain without asking Congress, and insisted that it "does not cross the threshold of a treaty."
This is the same approach Obama and Biden took with Iran, making a "treaty" to help Iran get the bomb and to protect Iran from Israel without Senate approving and pretending it was not a treaty. That way they could keep it secret.
Woodward has destroyed all his credibility as a journalist, which is very sad. He is taking an extremely pro Democrat position while pretending to be neutral. Of course, Woodward is not the first nor will he be the last journalist to be a 100% partisan.
Right now, Trump is less a lethal danger to the US and the world for one reason. Trump, while totally self-centered, also identifies with America and he knows that the Obama Doctrine's end line will be to make American a vassal state of Russia, Iran and China.
For what reason would Russia wish to make America a vassal state?
They don't need or want to take over America, although it might be an improvement, Russia has zero designs on America. They have their own vast natural resources to last them forever. What they do wish is that Washington would refrain from its foreign interventionist policies and military adventurism.
There's the problem.
Ron Paul is right.
"...even more so that Trump..."
FOAD, TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.
"Biden is still fully committed to his deal to help Iran get the bomb and protect Iran from Israel. "
Iran doesn't need Biden. The Russians are already supplying Iran, and Hezbollah, Yemen, Syria with whatever it needs to protect against Israel. Besides, all your hand wringing about the bomb is misplaced. A nuke can take out a city, even a big city. Iran already has something much more powerful: straights of Hormuz, through which the world economy is fueled. If Iran decided to bring the entire world economy to a stand still, there's nothing Biden, Trump or Putin could do about it.
Smart move by Matthew Petti to not participate in Reason's Chase Oliver/ Kamala Harris endorsement.
He must hate women and homosexuals.
But which is which?
He must also hate transpersons, furries and those who don't know what they are.
Nothing surprises me about light loafered Lindsay. He's as bad a war hawk as John Bolton and Mike Pompeo. All three never met a war they didn't like, that is, as long as they didn't have to risk their own blood, as long as it's someone else's blood, that's ok.
Those three demons need to be exorcised from humanity.
How evil twisted men like Bolton, Graham and Pompeo make it into such positions speaks loudly about America's failure to rule itself.
Psychopaths, narcissists and sociopaths run America.
Huh ... almost sounds like that "deep state" thing that I was told didn't exist.
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R–S.C.) had a shockingly blunt conversation with President Joe Biden about how to make it happen.
Stop. Stop right there. This is obviously nonsense.
Nobody has had a "shockingly blunt conversation" with Joe Biden since the Obama Administration. Because Joe Biden hasn't been lucid or coherent at ANY point during his time as president. When he wasn't suffering obvious dementia, he was obviously being propped up by carefully dosed amphetamines after which he'd disappear to Delaware with unknown staff to detox so they didn't accidentally kill him.
If anything, Graham was more likely taking advantage of Biden's declined cognition to work his own agenda behind the scenes - basically playing the same game the Democrats have been. This game:
https://x.com/Nero/status/1846369662541451688
SIGN THE PAPER YOU OLD DODDERING OLD CODGER. I'LL GUIDE YOUR HAND IF I HAVE TO.
"If anything, Graham was more likely taking advantage of Biden’s declined cognition to work his own agenda behind the scenes "
No, it's Netanyahu taking advantage of both their corruption and stupidity. I strongly reject the notion that Graham isn't subject to the same misconceptions, pressures and incentives Biden is.
Indeed. The zionist vampire squid has its tentacles around Washington and through its AIPAC agents(foreign), they can bribe or extort any politician they wish, using our tax money of course.
Light loafered Lindsay is just one example out of 535 slugs in congress and Biden is just plain out of it.
I would be very surprised to see ole Joe make to next summer. The Adderall and other amphetamines they're shoving down his throat has already begun to be less and less effective.
You get the government you ask for.
"...The conversation took place in the context of Biden's attempts to negotiate a "megadeal" between the United States, Saudi Arabia, and Israel..."
He's been nuts for longer than we knew.
I don't care who came up with the idea, but sending young Americans to die for a Kingdom of any kind, but especially one ruled by the House of Saud, would be insane. Why don't we pump our own oil, and let the MidEast commit suicide?
I agree. Whatever goes on in the middle east is NOT MY PROBLEM!
The same goes for israel. Not my problem.