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Boots on the Ground

Plus: California tries to punish Musk, China's economic recovery, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 10.14.2024 9:30 AM

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tours a THAAD missile site during joint U.S.-Israeli military exercises in March 2019. | Israeli Government Press Office/Kobi Gideon
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tours a THAAD missile site during joint U.S.-Israeli military exercises in March 2019. (Israeli Government Press Office/Kobi Gideon)

Assisting Israel: The United States is becoming further entangled in Israel's fights. News broke over the weekend that our military is sending Israel an advanced missile system called the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system, or THAAD—along with 100 American troops to help operate it.

Israel is still weighing possible responses to Iran's barrage of ballistic missiles two weeks ago, which Iran says was retribution for Israel's killing of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah (in September) and Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh (in July). Iran also attacked Israel in April; both then and in the more recent attacks, the Iron Dome and U.S. naval destroyers were able to shoot down the vast majority of the missiles. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has reportedly been mulling retaliatory strikes on Iranian nuclear and oil sites.

The THAAD system is "a ground-based interceptor designed to shoot down ballistic missiles," per The Wall Street Journal. The U.S. supplied it to Saudi Arabia back in 2019 to help it fend off attacks from the Houthis, "marking the system's first known use in a military operation," according to Defense News.

Israel, of course, has been at war with Hamas since it conducted a massacre inside Israeli territory on October 7, 2023, and Israel has been fighting Hezbollah since roughly then as well, but it only recently sent troops into Lebanon. Both Hamas and Hezbollah are Iranian allies, as are the Yemeni Houthis, who have been both terrorizing container ships in the Red Sea and attempting to strike Israeli cities.

It's not especially surprising that the United States is coming to Netanyahu's aid, but this deployment is still an aggressive and highly visible show of support with consequential timing: We're less than a month out from a presidential election, and whatever happens in the Middle East is sure to affect domestic politics here, especially if we're putting boots on the ground.

2024 race: Data from Democratic and Republican Party performance over the last two decades have shown increased polarization among educational attainment lines: The Democrats have been becoming the party of college-educated voters, and the Republicans doing increasingly well with the working class. "The increasing educational divide is coming into tension with the most longstanding feature of American politics: racial polarization," writes Nate Silver on Substack.

Black voters have long been foundational to Democratic Party support; Hispanic and Asian voters have been mostly Democrat-leaning, though a bit less steadfast. But as Silver notes, "Black and Hispanic voters are more working class—less likely to have completed college degrees—than white ones. So in principle, a continued increase in educational polarization would lead to erosion in Democratic support among these groups, but gains with white ones. From an Electoral College standpoint, this would actually be a good trade for Democrats since white voters are overrepresented in their impact on the Electoral College relative to their share of the overall voting population."

That appears to be happening: "If these trends are real," Silver says, "then you'd also expect to see shifts in the electoral landscape, with Harris making gains in the whiter states, including the Blue Wall battlegrounds of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania—but Trump improving his performance in the more racially diverse Sun Belt. And you do get exactly that in some surveys. A pair of NYT/Siena polls on Saturday found Harris leading Trump by 4 points in Pennsylvania but Trump up by 6 in Arizona." But there's also a lot more that could be happening, from electoral depolarization to polling errors to a huge realignment in which race is no longer such a big indicator of which party people will vote for. More on what could be going on here.


Scenes from New York: The New York Times investigates one of Mayor Eric Adams' advisers and her ties to the Chinese Communist Party.


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  • "Goldman Sachs Group Inc. upgraded its forecasts for China's economic growth in 2024 and 2025 after Beijing unveiled a series of measures to shore up growth, including plans for greater public spending announced over the weekend," reports Bloomberg. "The bank expects China's gross domestic product to expand 4.9% this year, up from 4.7% previously. It also lifted its growth prediction for next year to 4.7% from 4.3%, according to a report dated Sunday."
  • "SpaceX in its fifth Starship test flight on Sunday returned the rocket's towering first stage booster back to its Texas launch pad for the first time using giant mechanical arms, achieving another novel engineering feat in the company's push to build a reusable moon and Mars vehicle," reports Reuters. 
  • The presidential race is so very close:

New NBC News National Poll
(1,000 RV; 10/4-8; MOE +/- 3.1%)

Trump 48%
Harris 48%

Last month (post-debate)
Trump 44%
Harris 49%

— Steve Kornacki (@SteveKornacki) October 13, 2024

  • This is actually a huge speech issue:

.@elonmusk's personal political views should play no role in the California Coastal Commission's evaluation of @SpaceX's plans to launch rockets in the state.

The commission's objections are non-binding, but its members appear to be pushing for greater oversight over the… pic.twitter.com/Eq7b3R5whj

— FIRE (@TheFIREorg) October 12, 2024

  • Interesting take:

SF's approach to the chronically homeless is to treat them as urban megafauna in protected habitat

This is both elevating and dehumanizing; e.g. social norms dictate that you simply step around a person who very well may be dead and go about your day, as one would with wildlife https://t.co/uP8QNYeIDL

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    The New York Times investigates one of Mayor Eric Adams' advisers and her ties to the Chinese Communist Party.

    The ChiComs are going to have to buy the NYT now, I guess.

    1. Rob Misek   9 months ago

      Entangled is the wrong word.

      The US is digging its hole deeper as the pariah everyday as it violates its signatory obligation to the UN genocide convention supporting the Israeli holocaust in Gaza.

      There is only one way out.

      Stop Israel.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

        Refuted

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        Refuted.

      3. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

        Nazi parody.

      4. Commenter_XY   9 months ago

        You're just a nasty-ass anti-semite, Misek. But ultimately, harmless. You're just a crank.

        Your hamas homies and hezball-less homies having a bad time? They will be hunted down like the human animals they are, and offered terms muslims offer when at war: surrender, or die. Since they say they love death, tell your fucking friends to stock up on body bags. I am not bothered at all by their deaths (hamas, hezball-less).

        Iran is next. Khamenei's days are numbered.

      5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        Hey, Robby, when WWIII breaks out and the New Axis includes the Muslim (jew hater) world, which side will you join?

      6. Michael Ejercito   9 months ago

        A pariah to whom?

        1. Zeb   9 months ago

          A bunch of tin pot dictators and religious extremists.

      7. Minadin   9 months ago

        The best way to stop Israel from having to defend itself is to stop all its back-assward, medieval, religious zealot neighbors from attacking the only peaceful liberal democracy in the region.

        1. Rob Misek   9 months ago

          Israel is on trial in the United Nations for committing a holocaust in Gaza right now.

          Thats not self defence. That’s genocide..

          In the most popular of all Jewish stories were the Nazis simply defending themselves?

          1. Commenter_XY   9 months ago

            What a crock of shit = Israel is on trial in the United Nations for committing a holocaust in Gaza right now.

            Your grip on reality is tenuous. It is like that for most antisemites, like yourself.

            1. Rob Misek   9 months ago

              Israel wouldn’t exist without the hundreds of billions of dollars it has taken from US taxpayers over the last 76 years.

              That shitty terrorist religious nationalist state that’s on trial in the UNITED NATIONS for committing genocide in Gaza.

              Listen and abide to the UN decisions we are signatory to

              OR

              Toss aside everything that the UN stands for to renege on our signatory obligations and support with funding, arms and our military lives a holocaust committed by a religious nationalist apartheid state.

              “The world stands upon the edge of a knife: Either we travel collectively towards a future of just peace and lawfulness – or hurtle towards anarchy and dystopia, and a world where might makes right.””

              The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (UN Human Rights)
              September 18, 2024

              “The Court has reaffirmed that the realisation of self-determination cannot be left to bilateral negotiations among two unequal and asymmetrical parties – the occupier and the occupied. It called for Israel to immediately cease its illegal settlement activities and withdraw from these areas as swiftly as possible. More importantly, the Court provided unequivocal directions concerning the responsibilities of States and international organisations, with regard to Israel’s unlawful occupation.

              Despite these adamant directions, States remain paralysed in the face of the seismic shift represented by the Court’s ruling and appear unwilling or unable to take the necessary steps to meet their obligations.

              Devastating attacks on Palestinians across the occupied Palestinian territory show that by continuing to turn a blind eye to the horrific plight of the Palestinian people, the international community is furthering genocidal violence. Gaza remains under siege and intense bombardment, with homes, schools, hospitals and densely populated displacement camps sheltering thousands, routinely attacked. The extent of the resulting environmental destruction and contamination in Gaza are still to be fully assessed. The scale of destruction of Palestinian landscape and urban fabric, including schools and universities, hospitals, the violations of housing, land and property, the pollution and degradation of the environment, and exploitation of natural resources, is extreme in Gaza and spreading across the rest of the occupied territory, prompting allegations of domicide, urbicide, scholasticide, medicide, cultural genocide and, more recently, ecocide. Extreme violence and intimidation against Palestinians in the West Bank, and military assaults against the cities of Jenin, Nablus, Tulkarem Tubas, and in rural areas, where Palestinians practise pastoralism, are all escalating.

              States must act now. They must listen to voices calling on them to take action to stop Israel’s attacks against the Palestinians and end its unlawful occupation. All States have a legal obligation to comply with the ICJ’s ruling and must promote adherence to norms that protect civilians. Therefore, States should:

              1.Immediately review all diplomatic, political, and economic interactions with Israel to ensure they do not support or provide aid or assistance to its unlawful presence in the occupied Palestinian territory.

              2.Abstain from recognising or take steps to reverse any recognition of any changes in the physical character or demographic composition, institutional structure or status of the occupied Palestinian territory, including in their treaty relations with Israel, and while acting as members of international organisations.

              3.Take all measures to ensure that the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territory can fully exercise and realise their right to self-determination including by recognition of the State of Palestine.

              4.Impose a full arms embargo on Israel, halting all arms agreements, imports, exports and transfers, including of dual-use items that could be used against the Palestinian population under occupation.

              5.Ban goods and services emerging from both the colonisation of occupied Palestinian territory and other unlawful activities that may be detrimental to Palestinians’ rights, from entering their territory and markets, and take measures to label and permit goods and services emerging from Palestinian individuals and entities in occupied territory.

              6.Cancel or suspend economic relationships, trade agreements and academic relations with Israel that may contribute to its unlawful presence and apartheid regime in the occupied Palestinian territory.

              7.Impose sanctions, including asset freezes, on Israeli individuals, entities including businesses, corporations and financial institutions, involved in the unlawful occupation and apartheid regime as well as on any foreign or domestic entities and individuals subject to their jurisdiction that supply goods and services that may aid, assist or enable occupation and apartheid.

              8.Prevent all of their citizens who hold dual citizenship with Israel from serving in the Israeli military or other services that contribute to the occupation and apartheid regime or from buying or renting property anywhere in occupied Palestinian territory.

              9.Investigate and prosecute those subjects to their jurisdiction, who are involved in crimes in the occupied Palestinian territory, including dual citizens serving in Israel’s military, including mercenaries or those involved in settler violence.

              10.Rescind legislation and policies that criminalise and penalise advocacy in support of Palestinian rights to self-determination and non-violent opposition to Israel’s occupation and apartheid, including support for the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement.

              11.Disseminate the Court’s findings widely, ensuring that the occupied status of the West Bank including east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip, and the illegality of Israel’s presence are reflected in public documents and education systems.

              12.Make submissions to the ICC so that it investigates international crimes included in the ICJ opinion.

              13.Convene General Assemblies of States parties under the Rome Statute or the Fourth Geneva Convention, to ensure full compliance by all parties in Palestine and Israel with international humanitarian law and international criminal law.

              14.Ensure full protection of Palestinians, especially women, children, persons with disabilities, and older persons by establishing a protective presence and ensuring safe and full access for independent experts and mechanisms charged with monitoring and investigating human rights violations and international crimes in the occupied Palestinian territory.

              Decisive action is needed. Facing irresponsible inaction by most governments, it is now incumbent upon civil society organisations and National Human Rights Institutions to mobilise and call on their states to comply with the ICJ’s landmark Advisory Opinion. It is time to knock on the doors of every political leader and responsible official ministry across the world to bring an end to Israel’s illegal occupation, apartheid, oppression of, and onslaught against the Palestinian people, and ultimately ensure truth, justice and accountability. We owe this especially to women and children, who have been disproportionately affected by the current catastrophe.

              Failure to act now jeopardises the entire edifice of international law and rule of law in world affairs.”

              https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2024/09/un-experts-warn-international-order-knifes-edge-urge-states-comply-icj-advisory

            2. Rob Misek   9 months ago

              The United Nations International Court of Justice genocide case against Israel is still underway.

              “Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment
              of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip
              (South Africa v. Israel)”

              In fact on September 13 2024

              “.Chile has become the eighth state to announce that it has joined South Africa’s ICJ case over the Israeli genocidal aggression on Gaza.”

              1. Rob Misek   9 months ago

                I know how to shut the fuckwits up.

  2. Jerry B.   9 months ago

    " "marking the system's first known use in a military operation," according to Defense News."

    Beta testing.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   9 months ago

      We've seen how Israel's missile and drone defenses have worked in real-time; one can only wonder how Iran's will do?

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   9 months ago

        Not well; if Israel's last strike in April on an Iranian radar site is any indication.

      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   9 months ago

        Why wast the money don't they have some sort of ballistic pager?

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        Is Iran's system like the one Hamas uses? You know, shielding missiles and launchers with hospitals and schools.

        1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

          Women and children made excellent shields.

          1. Chumby   9 months ago

            This has been going on for aegis.

      4. SIV   9 months ago

        Israel's missile and drone defense are dependent on the USA.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    The Democrats have been becoming the party of college-educated voters, and the Republicans doing increasingly well with the working class.

    Looks like labor union bosses are going to have to step up their indoctrination game to academia levels.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   9 months ago

      Unions are essentially thugocracies--much better suited to the right, anyway.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

        You do realize the union bosses are still Democrats, right? And that the working class is mostly nonunion?

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          Union members in the Chicago teachers union even sued to force the union leadership to provide audits on spending because the leadership went into debt paying dem politicians and then raising dues.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

            But did the members sue because political bribery is ethically wrong, or because they want a bigger share of the grift?

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

              Sued because they raised dues. Main reason.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                And due to the lack of audits. The CTU is supposed to perform audits on an annual basis. They haven’t done so for at least the past four years.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                  Audits are white supremacy.

                2. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

                  Math is racist.

    2. Minadin   9 months ago

      'College-educated' ain't what it used to be.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    From an Electoral College standpoint, this would actually be a good trade for Democrats since white voters are overrepresented in their impact on the Electoral College relative to their share of the overall voting population.

    Let's see which party in a few election cycles will be calling the EC into question.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      Maybe the Democrats will demand that only degree-holders can vote. After all, it is the Electoral "College".

      1. Super Scary   9 months ago

        Or maybe some sort of literacy test. Yeah, that's the ticket.

        1. Z Crazy   9 months ago

          Literacy tests for voting are just pure common sense, just like requiring gun safety tests to allow people to own handguns.

          What's the objection?

          1. Super Scary   9 months ago

            We had literacy tests, but they were racist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test

        2. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

          But no requirement to show ID!

  5. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

    The transing of history continues as "scholars" claim King Arthur, who we don't even know actually existed, was Trans.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/11/king-arthur-may-have-been-lgbtq-welsh-council-suggests/#:~:text=Rhuthun%20(Ruthin)%2C%20in%20Denbighshire,for%20mocking%20his%20injured%20knee.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   9 months ago

      I think we can all agree the fags are some of the worst creatures

      1. Longtobefree   9 months ago

        Smoke 'em if you got 'em?

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      What about that tart in the lake?

    3. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

      Well, that’s it, I’m not buying his flour anymore.

      1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        What about Robin Hood's?

        1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

          Men in tights!

          1. soldiermedic76   9 months ago

            Manly men.

            1. Chumby   9 months ago

              Non-birthingly non-birthing people

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

            Mantyhose!

  6. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

    Just like every other program Kamala was in charge of, her electric school bus program is a very expensive failure.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/critics-say-kamala-harris-electric-school-bus-program-disastrous-her-work

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

      One of the companies making these has been going through rounds of layoffs.

      1. Chumby   9 months ago

        The laid off workers will have to save money by purchasing bulk Cheesypoofs at Costco.

    2. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

      Who doesn’t love the yellow school bus?

      1. Chumby   9 months ago

        Psarc complained that the short yellow bus he rode to school didn’t have cupholders big enough to fit a forty.

  7. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

    There is a fundamental right in this country to be able to get legal representation. That is of course unless you work for Trump. We have seen multiple State Bars and AGs go after the licenses and freedoms of Trump lawyers. And now they are openly threatening to keep doing it.

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/bipartisan-group-launches-ads-social-media-threatening-lawyers-licenses-if

    Jeffsarc will be here to defend this shortly.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   9 months ago

      We can’t have people using lawyers and going to court to settle legal disputes.
      I guess they prefer violence in the streets

    2. sarcasmic   9 months ago

      I'll take the bait. Read the article. Supposedly non-partisan yet uses the word "lawfare" three times. So yeah right on that.

      Lawyers can lose their licence or be disbarred for committing fraud, and that's exactly what his lawyers were doing when they filed factless cases in his effort to illegally overturn the election.

      So it looks legit to me.

      I know you feel that all the cases had merit, even though there were no facts to back them up, because you feel that the election was stolen. But your feelings don't trump facts, or a lack thereof. Pun intended.

      Disclaimer: Failure to address lies and false premises in Jesse’s comment is not intended to be tacit approval of or agreement with those lies and false premises.

      1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

        What about lawyers that file baseless asylum pleas?

      2. Bertram Guilfoyle   9 months ago

        You still haven't explained how you set your account to let you respond to muted posters.

      3. Zeb   9 months ago

        How is a factless case fraud? Lawyers bring really weak cases all the time. Unless they are committing perjury or knowingly presenting falsified evidence I see punishing lawyers like this as an attack on the right to legal representation and the right to petition for redress of grievances. Even if your grievances are bullshit, you still have that right.

        1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

          FTA:
          "We are holding accountable Big Lie Lawyers who bring fraudulent and malicious lawsuits to overturn legitimate election results, and working with bar associations to revitalize the disciplinary process so that lawyers, including public officials, who subvert democracy will be punished."

          Petitioning grievances is one thing. Trying to fraudulently overturn an election is another.

          1. Minadin   9 months ago

            Yeah that's one hell of a stretch. And a bit of circular reasoning.

          2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            What fraud retard?

            Marc Elias has lost 70% of his cases. Was he committing fraud?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

              Some would say all Marc Elias does is fraud. That fucking asshole should be rotting away in a prison cell.

          3. Zeb   9 months ago

            But what was the fraud? Making claims in court that turn out not to be true is not fraud.

            1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

              The fraud is letting their client to believe that there is a case when there really is not one, and taking the money anyway.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                This is what you came up with to justify it? Wow.

                Pretty fucking pathetic.

                So the cases he won don't matter? Gives lawyers committed fraud? Jack Smoth and Garland committed fraud against hundreds for pursuing false charges for felonies on J6?

                You really are not an intelligent person. Especially when it comes to your support of Democrats violating norms.

              2. Zeb   9 months ago

                Wouldn't most of the TV personal injury lawyers be guilty of the same thing?
                If there are specific cases where you can demonstrate fraud, fine. It's still pretty outrageous to go around threatening lawyers if they take on a particular client. If these are lawyers doing it, maybe the bar association needs to look into them too.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                  Note. Trump isn't the one making the claims sarc calls fraud. This would be akin to the James prosecution in new york regarding real estate valuations which even the appeals court in NYC seemed to be against. Did James commit fraud?

                2. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                  Wouldn’t most of the TV personal injury lawyers be guilty of the same thing?

                  As long as no money has changed hands, no.

                  It’s still pretty outrageous to go around threatening lawyers if they take on a particular client.

                  True.

                  1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                    Took you this many responses to weakly admit this is wrong. Says a lot about your principles.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                      The TDS is ridiculously strong in that one. If Trump is involved, it’ll be difficult to get him to admit it.

          4. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

            "We are holding accountable Big Lie Lawyers who bring fraudulent and malicious lawsuits to overturn legitimate election results, and working with bar associations to revitalize the disciplinary process so that lawyers, including public officials, who subvert democracy will be punished.”

            Gosh, this kind of language sounds so familiar, especially after re-reading Paul Johnson's "Modern Times" and his examination of the Bolshevik and especially the Cultural Revolution. Almost as if far-left societies come up with an overarching pejorative to justify the suppression of anyone resisting their revolution.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

              This is why I say that the Dems and the GOPe are going to provoke a civil war, and indeed that is probably their goal so they can have an excuse to finally kill off anyone who might resist "progress"--because one thing Liberal societies are incredibly good at, going back to the French Revolution, is exterminating anyone who gets in the way of "progress."

              That their expected utopia never comes about is hardly considered. One must continue to "do the work" until the City of Man becomes the City of God, no matter how many people they have to slaughter to grease the gears.

              1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                Define GOPe for me again? My understanding is that it's Republicans who fail the religious test ("Who won the 2020 election?").

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                  Yes, I realize you're on the side of the revolutionaries. Just don't get pissed when the counter-revolutionaries decide to resist. It's what you're begging for, after all.

                  1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                    I’m serious. When people refer to GOPe it seems like they mean Republicans who don’t let Trump define the party.

                    Is there any overlap on a Venn diagram between GOPe and Republicans who believe the election was stolen?

                    Is there any overlap on a Venn diagram between GOPe and Republicans who back Trump?

                    I think that would answer by question.

                    1. Zeb   9 months ago

                      It's more than that. DanG talks about the GOPe all the time and he is definitely not a Trump enthusiast. MAGA is definitely one of the non-establishment facitons of the republicans, but there are others like the more libertarian wing of the party. In NH politics anyway, it's extremely clear who the R establishment is and who the dissidents are and it's not all about Trump.

                    2. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                      Thanks. That answers my question.

                    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                      When people refer to GOPe it seems like they mean Republicans who don’t let Trump define the party.

                      What do you mean, "don't let"? Save for a few outliers like McConnell and Thune, the party is essentially defined and controlled now by the populists that began openly rebelling against the neocons after TARP was passed. To the extent that Congress is in such gridlock, it's largely due to the efforts of those politicians stymieing the McConnell wing and its "go along to get along" tactics. It's also why the neocon wing is now either part of the Democrats, or are simply holding out hope some GOPe Superman steps up and takes the party back under the control of the accommodationists instead of the populists.

                      That they're stupid enough to think that Trump going away would make this easier shows how deep the level of their self-delusion has been since 2008.

                    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      You really do have TDS.

                      GOPe is the establishment GOP, it is in the name. The ones who work with democrats to fund wars, increase spending. The GOP you claim to hate but get mad when they are criticized. It has nothing to do with Trump. It has to do with them being the manufactured opposition. The uniparty who continues to pass a broken system and broken spending.

                      You've been told this dozens of times. But you keep proving you are incapable of learning. Your only thoughts revolve around Trump.

                      GOPe would exist with or without Trump.

                2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                  Because you're an idiot, as shown by your understanding.

            2. sarcasmic   9 months ago

              Who are the revolutionaries, those trying to fraudulently overturn an election or those fighting fraud?

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                False dilemma.

              2. Dillinger   9 months ago

                who's fighting fraud?

      4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        Il not shocked you believe a group who solely goes after conservatives is non partisan because they claim to be. You claim to be a libertarian and we know that is false.

        Lawyers can lose their licence or be disbarred for committing fraud, and that’s exactly what his lawyers were doing when they filed factless cases in his effort to illegally overturn the election.

        What fraud sarc? This has been the standard practice, occurring twice, while court cases around elections are still happening past the constitutional dates. This happened multiple times in the past. You've been told this fact dozens of times yet you persist with the MSNBC claims of fraud. Why?

        What fraud? Answer the damn question retard.

        know you feel that all the cases had merit, even though there were no facts to back them up, because you feel that the election was stolen. But your feelings don’t trump facts, or a lack thereof. Pun intended.

        And then more MSNBC retardation. Trump won around a third of the cases. The ones he didn't win were not decided on the merits but on standing or mootness. Youve also been told this and given links to this dozens of times. Are you just intentionally ignorant? Multiple courts found the states violated their state election laws. You refuse to acknowledge this. Multiple states admitted to double voters and voters who moved, against election laws but decided not to prosecute.

        So not only are you wrong, not only are you intentionally ignoring evidence you've been given, you agree with the actions of this group despite your lying disclaimer as you gave 2 defenses of the action.

        1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

          My comment was not an invitation to have a conversation.

          Disclaimer: Failure to address lies and false premises in Jesse’s comment is not intended to be tacit approval of or agreement with those lies and false premises.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            Because you are not capable of having an intelligent one.

            As soon as someone introduces a single actual fact that disrupts your ill formed belief system you shut down and cry victim.

            That's why you can't state what fraud.

            The irony is that lawyers even attacked letters to their electors names stating it was only to be used in the case the courts over turn the election. They gave press conferences saying the same. This is even in the Fani Willis trial. But these facts don't matter to you. They ruin your narrative. They ruin the lefts narratives.

            Which is why you don't want a "conversation."

            You just want to harm your enemies like a good statist.

            Hilarious you defending it as I asserted though. Now 3 statements defending it.

            1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

              Intelligent conversationalists talk about subjects, not the other person.

              Disclaimer: Failure to address lies and false premises in Jesse’s comment is not intended to be tacit approval of or agreement with those lies and false premises.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                My posts discuss your arguments directly dumbass. You skipped right over them though as usual. Refusing to assert your position despite me clearly refuting your narrative.

                Amazingly self unaware.

                1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                  Thirteen sentences in the comment I was referring to. Eight contain the word “you,” with two more being about me without the word “you”.

                  Ten out of thirteen sentences were direct attacks against the person you were arguing against.

                  That’s not what an argument from an intelligent conversationalist looks like.

                  Disclaimer: Failure to address lies and false premises in Jesse’s comment is not intended to be tacit approval of or agreement with those lies and false premises.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                    Oh knock it off you (yes, I used that word and will again) twit. You’re the one making the argument (or looking for an argument - it’s hard to tell at times), thus someone will say “you” when referring to you and your arguments, dip.

                  2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                    Way to respond to the argument by doing a word count.

                    Again. You claimed fraud. I again told you how this is the normal process as done twice prior due to constitutional dates. I even told you about when the lawyers stated to use the alternate electors, they were open with it in filings. I told you about the Trump cases he won, the states whose judges found illegal changes, states who admitted to illegal votes, and the use of standing/mootness to avoid the merits.

                    All facts that fly in the face of your retarded and false assertions.

                    How are you such a fucking liar?

                    1. sarcasmic   9 months ago

                      If you want to have an intelligent conversation with someone, make it about a subject, not the person.

                      Disclaimer: Failure to address lies and false premises in Jesse’s comment is not intended to be tacit approval of or agreement with those lies and false premises.

                    2. Jefferson Paul   9 months ago

                      You specifically call out Jesse in your first post, but then won't respond to defend your terrible argument, because Jesse used "you" in his counter-argument to YOU?

                      It sounds more like you are just unable or unwilling to back up your argument.

                    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                      What the actual fuck sarc? Everyone can see the long list in the post. Who do you think you are fooling but yourself?

                      Just admit every one of your beliefs is baseless and ill informed at this ppoint. What a fucking dishonest retard.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

            Tough shit. You don’t get to dictate here who replies to your idiotic comments.

      5. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        "Supposedly non-partisan yet uses the word “lawfare” three times"

        You know the facts, drunky, so how else would you describe inventing new crimes to charge your party's principal political opponent with?

      6. But SkyNet is a Private Company   9 months ago

        So they filed cases (in courts of law) to illegally overturn an election.

        How do you illegally do something thru the law? Do you mind explaining that?

        Do you know how many elections have been overturned by going to court the last few years? Was it illegal to overturn them?

        1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

          Illegally filing a court challenge is just about the stupidest concept anyone could invent.

    3. ObviouslyNotSpam   9 months ago

      I like how JTN has quietly recycled an article from last June (without bothering to update its reference to Trump’s conviction in the NY business records case “last month”…you remember that day, don't you (it's in your Reason handle!)) And, predictably, you’ve swallowed it in one big gulp.

      As I had mentioned at the time, the 65 Project is focused on deterring election fraud pettifoggery, not, as you falsely claim, mere Trump “representation”. Which explains why all the Dersh can do is effeminately claim that an evil and unspecified “they” are trying to prevent anyone from representing Trump…

      But don’t worry, Trump will never run out of your money to pay his lawyers!

      1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        Trump will never run out of your money to pay his lawyers

        What the fuck? Do you think you Nazis would be bothering to wage lawfare against him if he wasn't running against your idiot puppet?

        1. mad.casual   9 months ago

          Again, Harris-Walz sign saying "Voting Prevents Unwanted Presidencies".

          If you were as diligent about preventing unwanted pregnancies as you were about preventing unwanted presidencies, neither one would be a problem.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

            But diligence, and any other kind of personal responsibility, is racist!

      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   9 months ago

        Good lie. Project 65 is solely to go after trumps representation.

        The entire bar association, as with the ama is a corrupt evil group that needs to be dissolved and the leading members executed

      3. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        "deterring election fraud pettifoggery"

        I hope that you simply don't know what pettifogging means, because if you think that warrants politically motivated legal harassment, you're a very bad person.

    4. Chumby   9 months ago

      Disclaimer: one of them will not be psober.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        His Psaki legal analysis is quite amazing.

        1. Chumby   9 months ago

          Disclaimer: He is not a lawyer and did not stay in a Holiday Inn Express but did once stay in a HALF MILLION DOLLAR house.

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            Disclaimer: he admitted his education stopped in High School yesterday so he doesn't have to learn any new facts.

    5. Ajsloss   9 months ago

      There is a fundamental right in this country to be able to get legal representation.

      Not in the family court system.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        Well that needs to be largely abolished. The judges don't even have to have law degrees in my county. Same with small claims.

    6. Kungpowderfinger   9 months ago

      While lawfare frequently has targeted GOP politicians, the tactic is spreading to the legal profession as a group called "The 65 Project" has taken to social media vowing to go after the licenses of attorneys who chose to work for former President Donald Trump.

      This from the same team that tried to pull Trump’s SS protection a couple months before the assassination attempts.

    7. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

      There is a fundamental right in this country to be able to get legal representation.

      The fundamental right in this case is for the accused to have *some* legal representation. Not for the accused to have whatever legal representation that the accused demands. If that were the case, then every accused criminal would have a constitutional right to top Harvard and Yale lawyers as defense counsel, which is plainly false and absurd.

      If Trump were, somehow, completely broke and could not afford any lawyer willing to defend him, then he would be entitled to a state-appointed lawyer as defense counsel. And I would completely support Trump or any accused criminal having this entitlement.

      You on the other hand deliberately misrepresent the "right to counsel" so as to cast Trump as some unfair victim by meanie lefties who are depriving him of his rights. This is just yet one more example of how you favor a two-tier justice system: one in which you and your team escape legal consequence for their actions, by invoking whatever excuses and rationalizations are convenient at the time, and the other tier in which the letter of the law is applied as harshly as possible to everyone who runs afoul of it, particularly when it comes to illegal immigrants, BLM rioters, and drag queens in public.

      1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

        Yeah, we know you hate trump.

        1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

          It doesn't even make sense, but he thinks if he makes the post long enough and verbose enough he'll trick someone.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

            Sarc?

            1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

              That doesn’t require a long or verbose post.

            2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

              Jeffy is trying to go after those who lurk here but do not comment. Hence why we need to engage these dipshits whenever and wherever they spew their bullshit. If we don’t, then their unchallenged bullshit is all anyone sees here.

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        What an odd non sequitur. Jeff, this is almost as bad as Sarc.

        Because Trump pays for lawyers, not eligible for government funded, his lawyers are to be disbarred for representing him? Did I get that right?

        It is weird how you and sarc defend threats against lawyers for representing a client you both hate.

        Applying the same standards you are to Trumps lawyers, Jack Smith should be disbarred for losing multiple USSC cases.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

          Because Trump pays for lawyers, not eligible for government funded, his lawyers are to be disbarred for representing him? Did I get that right?

          Nope, you didn't get that right. Not surprising how you won't admit to misrepresenting the "right to counsel" so as to cast Trump as the perpetual victim.

          Trump's lawyers should not be disbarred solely because they represent Trump. Trump's lawyers should be disbarred if and only if they broke the rules of the Bar. And that's up to the Bar to decide.

          And none of this has anything to do with the constitutional "right to counsel", since Trump is currently rich enough (allegedly) to afford the services of any lawyer in the nation. He simply does not have a guaranteed constitutional right to any specific lawyer, even ones who have been disbarred.

          So tell us, Jesse, if Trump supposedly has a guaranteed constitutional right to the services of a specific lawyer of Trump's choosing, even ones who have been disbarred, then does that mean that every death row inmate in the country has a guaranteed constitutional right to the legal services of, say, Alan Dershowitz?

          1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

            "then does that mean that every death row inmate in the country has a guaranteed constitutional right to the legal services of, say, Alan Dershowitz?"

            If Dershowitz is willing, yes. Ab-so-fucking-lutely, you insane Nazi.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

              No no, that isn't what the constitutional right means. It means that Dershowitz would be compelled to give his services to every death row inmate, willing or not, because they all demanded his representation as their constitutional right. Still willing to say yes?

              1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

                They only meant muzzle loading lawyers when they wrote the constitution, not high capacity attorneys.

              2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                "No no, that isn’t what the constitutional right means."

                No.
                You're expressly lying about what they are saying. Why are you lying? Who do you think you're tricking?

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

            So tell us, Jesse, if Trump supposedly has a guaranteed constitutional right to the services of a specific lawyer of Trump’s choosing, even ones who have been disbarred, then does that mean that every death row inmate in the country has a guaranteed constitutional right to the legal services of, say, Alan Dershowitz?

            Can the death row inmate afford to hire Dershowitz? Has Dershowitz indicated that he'll work pro bono for that inmate if he can't pay?

            It's telling that you're trying to split hairs here on what "legal representation" actually means. That's the whole fucking point of your fellow revolutionaries trying to get the lawyers disbarred in the first place, using the same neo-Red Guard language and accusations employed by your kind over 50 years ago as justification--because if they get disbarred, they can't represent Trump.

            A lawyer is free anytime to tell Trump, "sorry, I don't think we have a case here based on what we've got." Trump is also free to shop for one that will bring his case. That you're arguing he shouldn't have that right is what makes your kind so evil.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

              That’s interesting. You chose to respond to me this time without mentioning “you want to import child molesters!!!!!!” It just goes to show that every time you DO bring up that sad misleading talking point, it is only when you don’t have a substantive argument against me. Just as I have said.

              I am specifically referring to the ***CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT*** to a lawyer, not the more general right that individuals have to contract with other individuals for their services, whether or not they are lawyers. That constitutional right only means that the accused gets access to ***A LAWYER***, not ***THE SPECIFIC LAWYER*** that the accused is demanding. Trump is, or ought to be, free to hire any lawyer that he wishes to represent him, so long as that lawyer is in good standing with the Bar, which is the requirement for every lawyer. And the Bar is free to decide how they wish to police their own membership. Trump is ***NOT*** entitled to demand a lawyer that’s been disbarred as a part of some phony “constitutional right” to such a thing.

              And the only reason you and your team bring up this "constitutional right" is to, once again, try to cast Trump as the perpetual victim. You all twist the real justice system in order to invent ways to cast your team as being entitled to more than they should be.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                That’s interesting. You chose to respond to me this time without mentioning “you want to import child molesters!!!!!!” It just goes to show that every time you DO bring up that sad misleading talking point, it is only when you don’t think you have a substantive argument against me. Just as I have said.

                More circular reasoning.

                The rest of your post is just a repeat of your hair-splitting and didn't refute a single thing I said, mainly because you support disbarring anyone who represents Trump.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                  you support disbarring anyone who represents Trump

                  Which is false, as I wrote:

                  Trump is, or ought to be, free to hire any lawyer that he wishes to represent him, so long as that lawyer is in good standing with the Bar, which is the requirement for every lawyer.

                  Trump's lawyers should not be disbarred *solely because* they represent Trump, but at the same time, Trump's lawyers should not be immune from disbarment *solely because* they represent Trump.

                  This isn't some neo-revolutionary bullshit. This is you and your team wanting special rules and special favors for your team to escape consequence for your actions, dressing it up in the language of victimhood. Frankly if anyone here is using the oppressor/oppressed dialectic it's your team, perpetually and continually, to describe how Trump & co. should always get the benefit of the doubt and always should be given special dispensation.

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                    Trump’s lawyers should not be disbarred *solely because* they represent Trump, but at the same time, Trump’s lawyers should not be immune from disbarment *solely because* they represent Trump.

                    Trying to disbar lawyers for the sin of representing him in election cases would seem to pass that test.

                    This is you and your team wanting special rules and special favors for your team to escape consequence for your actions, dressing it up in the language of victimhood.

                    LOL, please. Disbarring lawyers on cooked-up pretenses for the sin of representing Trump is hardly a defense of whatever high-handed rhetorical generality you're trying to invoke.

                    Frankly if anyone here is using the oppressor/oppressed dialectic it’s your team, perpetually and continually, to describe how Trump & co. should always get the benefit of the doubt and always should be given special dispensation.

                    Yes, we know how much you revolutionaries hate anyone that keeps the revolution from proceeding apace.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      Disbarring lawyers on cooked-up pretenses

                      Yes we know. They are "cooked-up pretenses" because they're Trump's lawyers. HIS lawyers are immune.

              2. Zeb   9 months ago

                You are tilting at windmills here. No one is claiming that Trump or anyone has a right to compel any lawyer they want to represent them. The problem here is that a group is trying to scare any lawyer who might represent Trump with threats of going after their law licenses. This may not be a violation of constitutional rights strictly speaking. But it is certainly an attack on the ability to effectively exercise these rights. Whatever you think about Trump and his claims about the last election, trying to prevent him from getting decent legal council in the future is absolutely outrageous.

                1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                  Jeff will never admit this which is why he keeps trying to switch thr foundations of the discussion. He supports, openly, using any means necessary against his political enemies.

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                  But it is certainly an attack on the ability to effectively exercise these rights.

                  Well, it depends. People are free to exercise their free speech rights however they wish. People are free to act according to their moral consciences however they wish provided they aren't violating someone else's rights. If these lawyers believe that if one represents Trump, one does not deserve to be a lawyer in good standing, they are free to express that opinion. It's up to the Bar to decide based on, I am assuming, fair and impartial standards on who ought to be a lawyer in good standing or not.

                  1. Zeb   9 months ago

                    It is a foundational principle of our legal system that everyone, no matter how horrible, evil or duplicitous, should be able to have competent legal representation in court when facing criminal charges. If I were the Bar, any lawyer working to interfere with anyone's ability to hire a lawyer would face some stiff sanctions at the least.

            2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

              Notice Jeff assumes the assertion that the lawyers are disbarred. His issue isn't threatening lawyers for disbarment due to politics. He tries to change the baseline of the discussion because he is an evil Marxist authoritarian.

              Jeff is fine with threatening lawyers, with disbarrment, for representing Trump. He tries to switch it to they are already disbarred to avoid this agreement.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                Notice Jeff assumes the assertion that the lawyers are disbarred.

                Nope, I didn't assume anything about whether the lawyers are disbarred or not. Maybe they should be, maybe they shouldn't be. That is up to the Bar to decide.

                His issue isn’t threatening lawyers for disbarment due to politics.

                And that is you trying to excuse the behavior of your team - anytime they get into trouble, it's always "politics" or "lawfare" or "political persecution" to try to hold them accountable. That is the two-tier system of justice that you favor. Trump's lawyers should NEVER be held accountable for their actions!

          3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            And he continues to argue with a retarded non sequitur.

            Your argument has nothing to do with qualifications for disbarment.

            I get it. You have to distract from the bad acts of your team, but this is fucking retarded.

            Everyone has a right to access legal representation, not have it paid for. I'm assuming you're going down this path to justify the 10s of millions spend for free illegal immigrant representation.

            But again this has nothing to do with the actions to disbar someone for seeking legal advice. Which you will refuse to state is a violation of rights since your team is doing it.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

              The ***CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT*** to a lawyer is what you tried to argue here. That constitutional right refers to a defendant having access to a lawyer if that defendant is unable to afford one. It is NOT an unlimited right for a defendant to choose a specific lawyer of his choosing regardless of whether that lawyer has been disbarred or not. You deliberately misrepresented that right because you want to perpetually portray Trump as the poor poor victim of evil meanies out to get him.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    Goldman Sachs Group Inc. upgraded its forecasts for China's economic growth in 2024 and 2025 after Beijing unveiled a series of measures to shore up growth, including plans for greater public spending...

    Who knew Goldman Sachs were Keynesians.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      And fans of CCP-style command economies and hegemony.

      Oh, wait, maybe we did know that.

  9. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

    In a thick to nobody except maybe covid vaccine enthusiasts, medicine test trials funded by drug companies show a greater than 50% effective rate of drugs they produce than is found with independent study.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/drug-trials-funded-manufacturers-find-50-percent-greater-drug-effectiveness

    1. Mike Parsons   9 months ago

      3 dangerous trends leading to us to full on lysenkoism:

      1. Most funding for any studies comes from pharma money that has specifically leads to these findings: New/expensive med is necessary, old/cheap med is not good enough, doing nothing/no-med is worse than new/expensive med. There is no market for research showing "actually, its better not to do anything" no one is funding it, and therefore there is always another med being foisted on the populace

      2. The major associations (AMA, APA, AAP) and the major med journals (JAMA, NEJM) are all but captured by the left, and push their propaganda through peer-approval of left leaning research and shutting down viewpoints that dont fit

      3. The DNC which is now the mainstream establishment is now fully merged with big pharma post-COVID, and is happy to amplify the effects of point #1 above

      This combination leads to extremely dangerous outcomes.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        Just find out and mimic what the ultra-elites choose for themselves and their families. Just like when all the masters of the tech universe revealed a decade ago that they would never let their kids have screen devices.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    ...returned the rocket's towering first stage booster back to its Texas launch pad for the first time using giant mechanical arms...

    Great, so now Skynet is armed. LITERALLY.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   9 months ago

      It’s OK tho

      1. mad.casual   9 months ago

        If Skynet shows up wearing a “Sun’s Out, Guns Out” t-shirt, I’m in.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

          Never stick your dick in robot crazy.

          1. Chumby   9 months ago

            That is the nuts and bolts of it.

            1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

              So you’re saying not to screw them? Is that what this thread is about?

              1. Chumby   9 months ago

                I think that is his pitch. Might get some torqued up.

  11. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

    According to a new study, weather station data has been shown to non-climatically and erroneously record warmer-than-actual temperatures due to the steady and perpetual aging process almost universally observed in temperature gauges.

    When a weather station temperature gauge’s white paint or white plastic ages and darkens, this allows more solar radiation to be absorbed by the gauge than when the gauge is bright white and new. Within a span of just 2 to 5 years, a gauge has been observed to record maximum temperatures 0.46°C to 0.49°C warmer than in gauges that have not undergone an aging process. This artificial warming is not corrected in modern data sets, and it builds up over time – even when the gauges are cleaned or resurfaced every few years.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/10/12/new-study-systematic-error-in-1880-2020-global-temperature-measurements-inflates-warming-by-42/

    1. Jefferson Paul   9 months ago

      When I saw the link, I feared it was that fake, vvattsupwiththat.com, website Public Entellectual keeps trying to foist on everyone.

  12. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

    "...News broke over the weekend that our military is sending Israel an advanced missile system called the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system, or THAAD—along with 100 American troops to help operate it..."

    How about a bit of 'journalism' here Liz? "Our military" didn't decide to do so, some human did. Why not do some, well, calling around to see who made that decision? I mean it's not like we have a CiC just about now.
    Did some Lt Col decide to issue the orders? Who is in charge of attempting to start WWIII with US taxpayer money?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   9 months ago

      Clearly it's trumps fault

      1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        JD Vance was wrong.

    2. Commenter_XY   9 months ago

      At the very least, Congress should go on the record with a vote.

    3. Super Scary   9 months ago

      "Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system, or THAAD"

      I give it 4/10.

      1. Chumby   9 months ago

        Defending
        Unknown
        Munitions
        Bearing
        Strategically
        Harming
        Incoming
        Targets

    4. Eeyore   9 months ago

      With a name like that I expect space lasers. Not some boring missile.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    The presidential race is so very close...

    In that case it's not.

    1. Chumby   9 months ago

      CUCLLs will be voting for Cackles this election.

      Communists Undercover Cosplaying Leftist Libertines (CUCLL). I coined this.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        DemSalad/Mike is furious.

        1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

          I'd make up an acronym as well, but White Mike told me that Canadians aren't allowed to.

          1. Chumby   9 months ago

            Canadians
            Objectively
            Cancelling
            Kamala’s

            Mean
            And
            Surly
            Trump
            Emotional
            Rants

            1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

              See, I Can't Answer; because Mike Explicitly Objected.

              1. Chumby   9 months ago

                If you pay one Hasselhoff poster as a tithe, you’re allowed to acronym.

      2. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

        So that’s what kept you busy all weekend!

      3. Commenter_XY   9 months ago

        You know who else coined a term.....?

      4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        Another Harris voting block:

        White Excessively Educated Nervous Individuals (WEENIes).

        I coined this years ago.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

      Yep. Fortification rules.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        What are the rules for vote fortification?

        1. Chumby   9 months ago

          The first rule of fortification club is that you do not talk about fortification.

          The second rule of fortification club is that you do NOT talk about fortification.

          1. mad.casual   9 months ago

            There are three rules for fortification club.
            The first rule is you do not talk about fortification club.
            The second rule is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT FORTIFICATION CLUB.

          2. Jefferson Paul   9 months ago

            No, the second rule of fortification club is you publish an article in Time Magazine after the election bragging about all the fortifications.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

          Should be read as "Fortification RULEZ!!!"

    3. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

      How do you expect them to fortify the election unless they can claim it’s close to begin with?

  14. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

    Newsome signs California bill disallowing required Voter ID.

    https://scnr.com/article/newsom-signs-bill-blocking-local-voter-id-requirements-setting-up-clash-with-huntington-beach_4e128fc27f8c11ef9c930242ac1c0002

    1. I, Woodchipper   9 months ago

      there's only one reason you would sign this into law.

      they plan to cheat.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

        What’s remarkable about this is that the Dems feel the need to cheat in a supposed “blue” state. If they need to cheat to keep blue states blue, then are these states actually blue?

        1. Kungpowderfinger   9 months ago

          Of course, the best case scenario for the Dems is to win in the EC. But they’re absolutely willing to cook ballots to win the popular vote as well, in case they loose the EC. Especially in a state like CA, where 6 million people voted for DJT last election.

          I can’t imagine the shit the Democrats will cook up if Kamala wins the popular vote, but looses the EC. They seem to be testing the waters preemptively with “the EC is racist”, judging by today’s HnR.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

          Remember, California still sends some nominal Republican reps to Congress, and to their state assembly. True Woke believers want to stamp that out.

    2. Kungpowderfinger   9 months ago

      “State election law already contains robust voter ID requirements with strong protections to prevent voter fraud” - CA Attorney General Rob Bonta

      Bonta making the argument that a bill requiring voter ID would be over regulating. As if there has ever been a fucking Democrat born that had a problem with over regulation.

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

      The state government of California is doing the same thing that the state government of Florida did (and what every state government does, at some point): asserting its sovereign authority to decide certain matters on a state-wide basis over the objections of local authorities.

      In Florida, the issue was school curricula. The state government asserted its authority to establish curriculum rules against the will of local school boards. In California, the issue is voting rules. The state government is asserting its authority to establish voting rules against the will of local election authorities.

      So, Jesse, do you favor the principle of subsidiarity, or not? That matters should be handled by the most local authority possible? If so, then you should support the power of local authorities to make those decisions even if you object to the result of the decision itself, and you should object the power of state governments to override local authorities on matters that the local authority is most competent to decide, even if you would agree with the content of the state government's decision.

      Or, Jesse, do you just favor whatever outcome you find is most desirable, regardless of the process? So you'll favor the Florida state government asserting authority over local school curricula, but you'll object to the California state government asserting authority over local voting rules, because you just want to see those particular outcomes emerge regardless of the process? If so, then you had better stop claiming that you favor subsidiarity or some variant thereof, because you clearly don't.

      1. Jefferson Paul   9 months ago

        I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you, that chemjeff is supporting no ID requirements for voting. I couldn't have predicted that...

        Florida's curriculum affects Florida.

        CA encouraging fraud affects CA, and every other state in the union for national elections.

        If California decides that you shouldn't have to list your D.O.B. to register to vote, and then a bunch of 15 year olds start registering and voting in national elections, I guess you'd be okay with that (as long as those 15 year olds are voting blue).

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

          But that is a lie. I do support ID requirements for voting. I don't support hypocritical assholes who think that state government overriding local government is just fine in one case, but absolute tyranny in another case, depending on the outcome.

          I personally think that there should be nationwide standards for voting in federal elections, and that these nationwide standards should include a requirement for ID for voting. I also believe that the government at the local level should bend over backwards to try to provide that ID to every citizen, instead of making each citizen jump through hoops to meet the government's standard.

          1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   9 months ago

            “..,,,should bend over backwards to provide ID…”

            Lol. Yeah, we know. Drivers licenses for illegals. Then you can support voter ID and voter fraud at the same time!

            Awwwww, yeahhh. The selective nuance is getting thick up in hyare!

  15. mad.casual   9 months ago

    Mason @webdevMason
    SF's approach to the chronically homeless is to treat them as urban megafauna in protected habitat

    This is both elevating and dehumanizing; e.g. social norms dictate that you simply step around a person who very well may be dead and go about your day, as one would with wildlife

    eigenrobot @eigenrobot
    the civic model of homelessness in, for example, san francisco has for some time embraced the model of holy degeneration

    akin to cows of india, they are more than human. they are not to be impeded, and they are to be maintained in filth at public expense as an act of piety

    Do you want Morlocks? Because this is how you get Morlocks.

    1. Super Scary   9 months ago

      Everyone THINKS they'd be an Eloi, but...

  16. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    .@elonmusk's personal political views should play no role in the California Coastal Commission's evaluation of @SpaceX's plans to launch rockets in the state.

    Breaking news: Single Party Ruled State Sets Back Space Travel

    1. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

      They love science so fucking much.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        DON'T COLONIZE SPACE PEOPLE!!!

  17. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

    Jeff approves.

    Bill Melugin
    @BillMelugin_
    NEW: ICE Boston says a Guatemalan illegal alien who entered the U.S. as a gotaway & was charged in June w/ aggravated forcible rape of a Massachusetts child was shielded by sanctuary policies in Middlesex County, MA, which ignored ICE’s detainer & released him into the community without notice.

    ICE Boston was able to track him down and arrest him in Lowell, MA, once again having to expend limited ICE resources and risk officer safety to conduct an operation in the field when he could have been safely handed over at the county jail or court.

    In this case, ICE says it was the Middlesex Superior Court that ignored their detainer request - not the jail.

    It’s shocking that some local jurisdictions in sanctuary state MA would refuse to work with ICE on such a heinous alleged crime of aggravated child rape, but ICE’s Boston office has to deal with it regularly,

    https://x.com/BillMelugin_/status/1844102039699324997

    1. Chupacabra   9 months ago

      Rape is a great way for young children to learn about sex!

      1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

        Learn by doing.

      2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        "It’s okay if they’re drunk, or you ejaculate on them but not in them." – Jeff

    2. Ska   9 months ago

      How is joe from Lowell these days?

  18. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    SF's approach to the chronically homeless is to treat them as urban megafauna in protected habitat

    At some point they'll remember they're neither a viable tax base nor a reliable voter bloc.

    1. I, Woodchipper   9 months ago

      sadly, no, they wont

  19. Fist of Etiquette   9 months ago

    We're less than a month out from a presidential election, and whatever happens in the Middle East is sure to affect domestic politics here, especially if we're putting boots on the ground.

    I guess Biden's handlers are still in charge and still pissed at Harris' handlers.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      Do you think Dr. Jill is angry enough to want nuclear armageddon as revenge?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

        “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.”

    2. Jerry B.   9 months ago

      If it goes bad, it's senile Biden's fault. If it goes well, It's Harris taking the reins.

  20. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

    The Democrats have been becoming the party of college-educated voters, and the Republicans doing increasingly well with the working class. "The increasing educational divide is coming into tension with the most longstanding feature of American politics: racial polarization," writes Nate Silver on Substack.

    Hey moderate Liz, ever ask what the quality of that college education is on average?

    How smart is some who spends 250k on a degree in social "sciences"?

    1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

      There’s 3 people living in our household, at least 6 college degrees (plus one MBA not quite finished). Not a D vote in the house. of course, none of those degrees are in " studies".

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   9 months ago

        Whose point are you trying to prove?

        1. mad.casual   9 months ago

          ^ Product of "Indoctrination over education" party.

        2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   9 months ago

          Collage degree no longer means educated

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

            Stop disparaging baristas.

            1. Chumby   9 months ago

              I have a master’s degree in triggered affirmation studies with an undergraduate in safe spaces. Thank you and drive through.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        Yeah, but how many grew up in a middle class house?

    2. Longtobefree   9 months ago

      How smart is someone who spends 4 million dollars to get a job (US Senator) that pays $174,000/yr?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        How much did Bloomberg spend again?

      2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

        Most of them spend other people's money to get the job.

  21. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

    … race is no longer such a big indicator of which party people will vote for.

    Nonsense. Skin color is the most important thing.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      If only people can have their votes legally determined by their skin color.

  22. Chumby   9 months ago

    Liz is like Henry Hill in Goodfellas. She was a goodbella, a wisegal (libertarian) but now has turned into a state witness (statist).

    Egg noodles and catsup for her instead of pasta and marinara. At least she’ll have a fancy cocktail to wash down her meal. [cue Layla piano exit]

    1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

      She can get one of those “Banned in Boston” cocktails. Oh wait, Liz in NYC and those Boston cocktails are in DC.

    2. ObviouslyNotSpam   9 months ago

      The MAGAluv romance was always going to end this way.

  23. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

    "Goldman Sachs Group Inc. upgraded its forecasts for China's economic growth in 2024 and 2025 after Beijing unveiled a series of measures to shore up growth, including plans for greater public spending announced over the weekend," reports Bloomberg. "The bank expects China's gross domestic product to expand 4.9% this year, up from 4.7% previously. It also lifted its growth prediction for next year to 4.7% from 4.3%, according to a report dated Sunday."

    Further examples of why crowing about GDP is dumb. Looking at you shrike. And why open borders group rely on GDP as the only positive metric for open borders, looking at you CATO and Boehm.

    Artificial GDP growth on government spending is what Argentina was doing prior to Millei.

  24. Chumby   9 months ago

    Waiting for the NEA to fund an elementary school target audience production called

    The Vagina Front Hole Monologues

    1. mad.casual   9 months ago

      The Vagina Front Hole Monologues

      I thought this was the term of art for Kamala's ramblings?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        The Dick Holster Speaks.

      2. Ska   9 months ago

        Front Hole 2: Orifice Rambling

  25. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago


    Steve Kornacki
    @SteveKornacki
    ·
    Follow
    New NBC News National Poll
    (1,000 RV; 10/4-8; MOE +/- 3.1%)

    Trump 48%
    Harris 48%

    Last month (post-debate)
    Trump 44%
    Harris 49%
    5:59 AM · Oct 13, 2024

    At this point Hillary was up +8 and Joe up +7. Which is why CNN and MSNBC are freaking out.

    1. Chumby   9 months ago

      The LP candidate in the chase still coming in the rear?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

        Is that the gay dude? Why hasn't someone promoted his gayness yet?

        1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

          LP of Ga had him on their Facebook in his full pride-flag regalia this weekend.

          I'm strongly reminded of a favorite K&P sketch:

          https://youtu.be/e3h6es6zh1c

          1. Chumby   9 months ago

            I wanted to go to their event but found out there was an admission fee. When I saw for how much, it was clear they wanted to charge attendees up the ass.

            1. Ajsloss   9 months ago

              An admission fee?

              A monkey pox on all their houses!

          2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

            Key’s character = Sarc and Jeffs idea of a gay man.
            Peele’s character = Everyone else's.

        2. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

          He’s not doing poorly because he’s an idiot, it’s because he’s gay! It’s the only explanation!

          1. Chumby   9 months ago

            He’s really taking it on the chin.

    2. Commenter_XY   9 months ago

      The race is a statistical tie.

      What probably scares the shit out of Kamala's campaign handlers is the direction movement within MoE, and it is only one direction (toward Trump).

      Kamala has a man problem, and now we will be force fed Kamala word salads for the next three weeks, ad nauseum.

      The more she talks, the more votes she loses.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      Sure, but who counts the votes?

    4. Minadin   9 months ago

      And I'm guessing that they're still oversampling Democrats in these polls, despite recent evidence to the contrary, so it's probably worse for Dems than it even looks.

  26. Chumby   9 months ago

    Mexico faces broad labor shortage, starts pilot program for migrant workers

    - reported by Counter Intelligence Global with full story and linked stories available there

    Open Borders, Pro Welfare types culturally appropriating a labor force from a Latin country. Racially racist racists!

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

      Maybe Mexico needs to start spending 150B on their own workers to stop the migration to better benefits.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        But can they still vote in US elections?

        1. soldiermedic76   9 months ago

          Only if they go to swing states or red states.

  27. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

    …around a person who very well may be dead and go about your day, as one would with wildlife

    Or, you could stage an accident in Central Park with a dead bear. That seems normal.

  28. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

    Happy White Patriarchy Colonizing Invader day! To celebrate find some indigenous person and offer to give back his share of his homeland in exchange for every modern (post-1491) technology and product.

    1. I, Woodchipper   9 months ago

      and also bring back human sacrifice

      1. Longtobefree   9 months ago

        But for marketing purposes, call it abortion.

      2. Ajsloss   9 months ago

        Offer some scalps.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

      Including things like horses that the Amerinds used quite extensively on the Plains.

      1. soldiermedic76   9 months ago

        Don't forget tomahawks either, which they got from the French.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

          Pretty much anything metal.

  29. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

    'our military is sending Israel an advanced missile system called the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system, or THAAD—along with 100 American troops to help operate it.'

    What do you call 100 American troops in a war zone in Israel?

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

      First presidency without troops in a war zone - kamala

    2. Chumby   9 months ago

      Definitely not mega THAAD.

    3. Ron   9 months ago

      Pawn or Targets for a purpose of expanding the war to get back for the killing of soldiers that shouldn't of been there in the first place.

    4. Minadin   9 months ago

      "What do you call 100 American troops in a war zone in Israel?"

      Casus belli?

  30. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

    "SpaceX in its fifth Starship test flight on Sunday returned the rocket's towering first stage booster back to its Texas launch pad for the first time using giant mechanical arms"

    Watching this yesterday was just amazing. The biggest rocket ever built, actually, the biggest flying thing ever built, went up into orbit, delivered it's upper stage, and then its 150 near empty tons came screaming back down at 2000 km an hour just to land between the mechanical lift arms of it's own launch tower with a pinpoint accuracy of millimeters.
    And it's not just a little capsule but an actual spaceship on top. Its payload is the size of the entire International Space Station's volume. You could fit a whole 747's inside. It's estimated it will reduce launch costs per pound by ten thousand.

    No other rocket company on earth has launched an orbital rocket that can even be reused a second time, let alone land on its own launch tower, so it can be refueled and relaunched within hours.

    Yesterday was paradigm breaking like the Kitty Hawk flight, or the Sputnik 1 launch. The Space X team have done something historical.
    Watch it if you find the time.

    1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

      I watched several videos. The best one was from a distance, you could see the pressure waves rippling through the clouds, and you got a better sense of the speed. The sonic boom hit just as it landed.
      If you have the technology to land a speeding rocket with such precision in 4 axis of motion, a self driving car is a forgone conclusion.

      1. Ajsloss   9 months ago

        If you have the technology to land a speeding rocket with such precision in 4 axis of motion, a self driving car the wisdom of wearing cloth over your face to avoid illness is a forgone conclusion.

        FTFY

      2. mad.casual   9 months ago

        a self driving car is a forgone conclusion.

        WTF? Are you retarded? That’s like saying because you can throw a 110 mph fastball right down the middle, mastery of the game of baseball is a foregone conclusion. And even that's being generous.

        1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

          It’s not like that at all. Anyone can drive a car. Imagine yourself trying to drive that rocket from 1500 mph to zero within 10 seconds and put in place with a tolerance of millimeters in x,y,z and rotational axis on the first try. Stop trying to deny you just saw deep into the future.

          1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

            I honestly didn't think it could be done, and was kinda expecting it to smash into the tower to be honest.

            I know they have almost a decade of landing much smaller boosters on entire landing pads, but this was the equivalent of throwing your coat at the closet when you're twenty miles away from home and it flying back at the speed of sound and landing on the hanger perfectly.

        2. Mickey Rat   9 months ago

          It is an impressive achievement, but a self-driving car has to account for humans, as other drivers, as pedestrians, as bicyclists. that makes the problem much more complex and unpredictable.

          1. mad.casual   9 months ago

            And categorically different and arguably unnecessary.

            It's like watching an autonomous rocket land and think "The day we build a submarine that swims is a foregone conclusion!"

            If you look deep enough into the future, everything's a forgone conclusion. Even the lies and self-deception.

      3. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        "You could see the pressure waves rippling through the clouds"

        That one amazed me. Can you imagine the forces? A tiny bullet makes a loud crack. What does a flying high-speed skyscraper sound like?

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

      Saw it, and it was freaking awesome. Space X is making this everything the Shuttle was supposed to be: inexpensive, reliable, and reusable.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        But how much government-contractor grift?

    3. ObviouslyNotSpam   9 months ago

      It is quite an amazing achievement.

      And it also graphically illustrates why there will never be any worldwide consensus on “cutting emissions”. We need to stop wasting money on prevention and start investing in the necessary changes to mitigate the negative effects of climate change.

      Time to embrace the “throwaway planet” concept!

    4. Jerry B.   9 months ago

      But...Musk...

      1. Ajsloss   9 months ago

        Exactly. Musk culturally appropriated 'chopsticks'.

        1. Chumby   9 months ago

          Need Kamala to provide a Venn diagram of what the outrage and reparations should be for an African American appropriating something Asian. Hopefully, she has her earrings and teleprompter to assist.

  31. Commenter_XY   9 months ago

    Re: US troops in Israel.

    I thought Congress had to vote if we were sending American troops in harms way.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   9 months ago

      Did you, now...

    2. Longtobefree   9 months ago

      Why would you think a thing like that?

    3. Mickey Rat   9 months ago

      Is the president a Republican? If yes, then no.

  32. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

    'Data from Democratic and Republican Party performance over the last two decades have shown increased polarization among educational attainment lines: The Democrats have been becoming the party of college-educated voters, and the Republicans doing increasingly well with the working class.'

    Here's a fun fact. According to multiple polls (and a few "academic" studies), most of those college-educated Democratic voters are clueless about the working class, including what values they hold. In fact, as induced by college-educated media, they have insanely delusional ideas about who and what the peasants are.

    Meanwhile, the same polls reveal that the working class types hold pretty accurate perceptions of the superior left. And don't want much to do with it.

  33. Moderation4ever   9 months ago

    There has been a shift or switch between parties of the academically educated vs non academically educated population with regard to political parties. But I wonder if that shift has occurred with respect to the economic class. The middle class used to be the blue collar working often limited to no more than a primary or secondary education. Today's the middle class are more office and technical workers with some post secondary education (1, 2, or 4 year degree). It seems the middle class has remained with the Democrats. It is worth pointing out that the real money power in the Republican party is still with the wealthiest. The Republicans are not focused on the middle class but on the wealthiest.

    1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

      Parody.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

        Stupidity.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

      I'm pretty sure that "is worth pointing out that the real money power in the Democrat party is still with the wealthiest." too.

      Same for LP, Greens, etc. The money power in *any* party lies with the wealthiest members of the party.

    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

      Is academically educated the new term for indoctrinated?

      It is worth pointing out that the real money power in the Republican party is still with the wealthiest. The Republicans are not focused on the middle class but on the wealthiest.

      Just ignore bankers, hollywood, music artists, etc. Lol.

      What's the average cost of a dinner with Kamala? Thr cost to go to a Trump rally?

      1. Moderation4ever   9 months ago

        Cost for dinner with either Trump or Harris is expensive. Cost attend either Trump or Harris rally is free.

        Academically educated refers to knowledge and skills developed at a defined institution, as opposed to knowledge and skills learned in life. People are educated it is just where you get that education.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          So indoctrinated. Got it.

          1. Moderation4ever   9 months ago

            So you would consider a person with an engineering degree to be indoctrinated?

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

              I know engineers who are indoctrinated. Usually the ones who fail outside academia. Focus on DEI and other measures.

              But that's 5% of graduates at best.

              Try again.

    4. Small w woodchippertarian   9 months ago

      With the exception of Elon Musk, the wealthiest seem to be focused on the Democrats.

      1. Moderation4ever   9 months ago

        I think you are only looking at high profile wealth. Some of the wealthiest people don't make a habit of showing it in public.

        1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

          Like the billionaires supporting the Tides Foundation? Lol.

          God damn parody.

    5. soldiermedic76   9 months ago

      I guarantee you that a blue collar worker like a welder, machinist, electrician, plumber, etc is making as much, very likely more, than you office worker or IT worker. Blue collar does not equal poor. See the checks an entry level roustabout makes, or a gypo logger. Blue collar does not equal poor moron.

      1. Moderation4ever   9 months ago

        The thing is that most of the jobs you described, welder, machinist, electrician, and plumber now likely require some post secondary education. Is there a difference between a person who goes to community college to learn to be a nurse and a person who goes to a community college to learn to be an electrician?

        1. soldiermedic76   9 months ago

          No, they really don't. You can attend a community college and get training in some of those fields, but the majority are still trained via apprenticeships. And per the polling results, no it doesn't. It covers only people with 4 year or more degrees. So, even about half of all nurses won't even qualify as college educated (since they're LPN or associate degree RN).

          1. Moderation4ever   9 months ago

            A friend and classmate of my son became an electrician. His apprenticeship required classes at the community college.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

              community college = post-secondary education

        2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   9 months ago

          I’ve known many CNC programmers/machinists and the few who went to school for it suck at it.

          And M4e is parody.

  34. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

    They believe this, but it's racist and far-fetched to think someone might possibly have eaten a cat.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/armed-militia-reportedly-out-hunting-fema-in-nc/ar-AA1sdMnr?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=74445355a5c24e6a8304c34e2afd1cf1&ei=44

    Federal emergency response personnel were warned to move to a different area after reports of threats from an armed militia in Rutherford County, North Carolina. A Saturday email from an official with the US Forest Service, which was seen by the Washington Post, warned multiple federal agencies that "FEMA has advised all federal responders Rutherford County, NC, to stand down and evacuate the county immediately." It said the Federal Emergency Management Agency was concerned about reports from National Guard troops who said they encountered "trucks of armed militia saying there were out hunting FEMA." Personnel were back in place by Sunday, however, sources say.

    Two federal officials said the email was authentic, though it is not clear how credible the threat itself was.

    1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

      BlueAnon will really believe just about anything.

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

      Why do you believe this claim is false?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

        Why do you believe the claim might be true?

        1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

          Yes, I'm interested to see what you'll come up with, Jeffy.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

        I never said I thought it was false or true. Both stories are about the same level of outrageous as to be seemingly unbelievable, but not outside the realm of possibility. The point was that both stories are fraught with bigoted assumptions about the particular populace. If it’s absolutely wrong and racist to even ponder whether Haitians may or may not have eaten cats, it should certainly be wrong and racist to assume that “hill folk” are forming an armed posse to hunt down FEMA. Conversely, it may just be that saying to oneself “Not sure I believe that, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was.” might not be racist or bigoted, but might be just cynical assumptions about human nature in general.

        OTOH, since the “hill folk” are not illegal aliens…ahem ‘asylum seekers’ I don’t foresee you jumping up and down frothing at the mouth to rabidly defend them against this possible libel.

  35. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

    Another possible assassination attempt or just regular criminal idiots caught up in a security checkpoint they might not have known they were headed for? Seems like it could be either one from the paucity of information so far.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/investigation-underway-after-man-tried-to-enter-trump-california-rally-perimeter-with-guns-in-vehicle/ar-AA1sd0Ae?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=74445355a5c24e6a8304c34e2afd1cf1&ei=52

    Federal authorities are investigating after a man with guns in his vehicle was arrested Saturday after he was stopped at a checkpoint near a campaign rally for former President Donald Trump.

    The Justice Department said Sunday that the Secret Service and the FBI are investigating the incident in Coachella, California, about a quarter-mile from the rally venue.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   9 months ago

      Well, he was a "Sovereign Citizen", a category of wackos not previously known to be aligned with the Democrats...

    2. Longtobefree   9 months ago

      Just an administrative misdemeanor; already back on the street.
      Move along, nothing to see here.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

      It wasn’t an assassination attempt.

      https://x.com/iheartmindy/status/1845574763856728549?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

      The man they just arrested for supposedly "trying to kill" Trump in Coachella....is my good friend and business partner for America Happens, Vem Miller.

      Vem had just exposed a huge Deep State cover-up involving the Feds and the Bundy Ranch scandal. So I firmly believe this is 100% some kind of set-up in retribution for exposing it. That, or Trump's security team is a bunch of dipshits trying to make up for how badly they failed in Pennsylvania with any kind of "win" they can get, fake or not.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        Yeah but think of the HUGE win if they can stop an "assassination" attempt by a MAGA-adjacent far-right threat to democracy. Win-win!

    4. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

      This story got weird. Trump immediately stated it wasn't an attempt. The guy is fairly well known. Was at the RNC.

      Now the weird part...

      He was almost done with a documentary regarding the federal response to the Bundy ranch. Like going to be released in the next few months.

      1. Chumby   9 months ago

        Yup. Milintel channels have additional info on him including statements by his business partner. The locals clearly believed it was an assassination attempt given the paltry $5,000 bail that was posted.

        Not 48 hours yet so likely more info to come.

  36. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

    Billionaire Democrat Bill Ackman explains, in 33 bullet points, why he decided to endorse Trump instead of Harris.

    https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1844802469680873747

    While the 33 actions I describe below are those of the Democratic Party and the Biden/Harris administration, they are also the actions and policies that unfortunately our most aggressive adversaries would likely implement if they wanted to destroy America from within, and had the ability to take control of our leadership.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   9 months ago

      Like shorting Herbalife, eh, Bill?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

        Nice non sequitor, asshole.

      2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        Your tears of rage are beautiful, Shrike.

    2. I, Woodchipper   9 months ago

      you only need one or two points to fully justify it, to be honest

      1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        Any one of those 33 would’ve taken down a government if it wasn’t for a captured media system.

      2. I, Woodchipper   9 months ago

        1. not planning to censor social media or undermine the 1st amendment
        2. not going to go after guns
        3. not going to support central bank digital currency
        4. not going to implement a capital gains tax on unrealized gains.

        these 4 alone make him light years ahead of kamala, who has specifically said the opposite on all of those. it's absolutely astonishing to me that this is even a race at all, much less supposedly "close"

        1. Mike Parsons   9 months ago

          Agree with all 4, id say the most important are 1,2,4.

          Those 3 things are an automatic disqualifier. Opening the border the way they did as well

          1. I, Woodchipper   9 months ago

            i think 3 is actually the biggest one.

            the CDBC will be the greatest more powerful and effective tool for absolute tyranny ever devised by man.

          2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

            SCOTUS appointments.

            The only--ONLY--positive reason I voted for Trump before is pretty much the ONLY positive reason I'll vote for him again. I mean, yeah, I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for Clinton or Harris or Biden.

            Justice Thomas is not a spring chicken, and I can see Harris cackling the whole way to put Hillary Clinton or Latitia James in his spot should he leave the bench or this life.

            1. I, Woodchipper   9 months ago

              you dont have any other positive thing to say about Trump's platform and positions? not one? But you like the judges. that seems odd.

            2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

              Shit, she could also install Obama or Garland. That’s just as scary as Justice Hillary.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      Well, that's something we will never see in The NY Times.

    4. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

      Good Lord. Those 33 points sound like they are directly written from RNC talking points.

      Even still, even if you believe every word of those 33 talking points, they are reasons to vote against Kamamalama, not a reason to vote for Trump.

      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   9 months ago

        Which of them don’t you believe, Mr Totally Not a Democrat Shill?

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

          Do you think all 33 are completely accurate and fair-minded, Mr. Not-a-Republican-shill?

          1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

            Yes, anyone with eyeballs who also isn’t a totalitarian Nazi and DNC mouthpiece would.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

              So sayeth the self-admitted Trump shill. No surprise there.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                That’s not gonna get you back on the Pee Wee Herman Show, Jefftard.

              2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                Self-declared. Not “admitted”, fifty-center, because unlike you I’m not paid to try and disguise my political preferences while posting party messaging.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                  So you shill for Trump for free? Man you're a bigger fool than I thought.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                    So you admit you get paid to shill, Jeffy?

          2. Outlaw Josey Wales   9 months ago

            Those 33 points sound like they are directly written from RNC talking points.

            Refute them then. Which don't you agree with and why? A blanket statement including all 33 is neither accurate nor fair-minded.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

              Jeffy won’t. He loves to give a blanket statement on them, but won’t ever actually try to refute them one point at a time.

              So, Jeffy, you want to give it a go, here or over on X? Or are you too chicken and obtuse to try?

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

              Why don't you show how they are 100% accurate with no exaggerations or distortions whatsoever. Huh?

              Oh wait, you don't like it when I try to shift the burden of proof? Then maybe remember that when all of your pals around here do the exact same thing.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                You’re the one who took issue with them, dork, that means the onus is on you to post your comments and/or refutations of those 33 points. Again, you, not me, not ML, not Jesse, not OJW, just you, dip.

                Or are you too chickenshit to post them as you’re afraid we’ll rightfully rip into them and take your arguments apart (as usual)?

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        How about if you believe only half the words? Is that still enough to determine the modern Democratic Party is an actual threat to democracy--or more accurately, a free and open society? And if so, how do we counter that in 2024?

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

          For most if not all of those 33 points, they are either grossly exaggerated, out of the control of any government to do anything about, or they are points in which Team Red is substantively no better.

          Both teams are leading this country to ruin because they are not serious. They generate votes by fear and demagoguery, while the insane spending continues apace. The only way to stop the insanity is to reject both parties.

          1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

            For most if not all of those 33 points, they are either grossly exaggerated”

            How?

            they are points in which Team Red is substantively no better.

            For example?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

              Why don't you state how they are 100% accurate with no exaggerations whatsoever.

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                Way to switch the argument Jeff. But please, you made the assertions. Back it up.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                  Oh, you mean like how you and ML do every day? So glad you enjoyed it.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                    Then back up your assertions, asshole.

                  2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                    You're not fooling anyone. Everyone can see you're being evasive.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      Well, you are the one apparently giving free labor to a billionaire. What a total dumbshit you must be.

              2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                Nope. Those are your claims, so you must've had some sort of reason for calling them gross exaggerations. So what are they?

                That is of course if you have actual reasons and weren't just casting shade for another fifty-cents.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                  chemjeff radical individualist 2 hours ago
                  Do you think all 33 are completely accurate and fair-minded, Mr. Not-a-Republican-shill?

                  Mother's Lament 1 hour ago
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                  Yes, anyone with eyeballs who also isn’t a totalitarian Nazi and DNC mouthpiece would.

                  So why don't you prove your claim here.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                    Why don’t you comment with your own “refutations” of the 33 points yourself, chicken?

                  2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                    Stop being evasive. It's your assertion.

                    With 33 points one would think it should be a cakewalk to prove your assertion. If you weren't full of bullshit you'd be welcoming a chance to explain why.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      Stop being evasive.

                      I'll stop when you stop.

              3. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                No, retard, you’re the one claiming they’re wrong. Thus it is up to you to say why and how. Not me, not Jesse, not ML, not anyone else. You, dipshit.

                Either comment on the 33 points, each point at a time, or STFU.

                1. Chumby   9 months ago

                  ^ This

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                    Why? So you can drag me into a long tedious argument nitpicking each point, and then at the end of the day, you will ignore any argument that I make, and only look for gotchas that you can bookmark later and use against me? Is that what you are looking for here?

                    1. Chumby   9 months ago

                      You made a claim for which you were asked to provide detail. Some have articulated a desire for you to provide detail.

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                      You made the claim, dudette. You back up your own assertions. Be a man (even if you haven’t seen your balls in years).

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      Got it. You don't like the same tactics that you all use being used against you. Well suck it up, asshole.

                    4. Chumby   9 months ago

                      Fat checked – unsubstantiated due to the obese tard refusing to articulate why most if not all of the thirty-three points are grossly exaggerated, are out of government control to affect, or where Team Red is not substantially better

                    5. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                      If Jeff wasn't full of shit he would have welcomed a chance to destroy those 33 points, but he was lying so he couldn't.

                      I mean this is the guy who'll write a three-thousand word essay lawyering the definition of tariff and what import brokers do. Does anyone think he would let this go if he had any sort of response?

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      Hey ML, still want to go to the mat and try to claim that when Trump claimed that "China will pay for the tariffs" that what he supposedly meant was some import/export company?

                    7. Chumby   9 months ago

                      Hey ML, remember that time you didn’t tip that one waitress? Let’s talk about that instead of me having to provide support for a currently unsubstantiated claim that I just made in this thread. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

                    8. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      Hey Chumby, remember that time when ML brought up this other conversation on a different topic, and you said nothing, but you squealed like a stuck pig when I did the exact same thing to ML?

                    9. Chumby   9 months ago

                      Hey fat piece of evading shit, chaff and redirect all you want but you will continue to be called out for making a claim then refusing to articulate for it.
                      I don’t give a rat’s ass about you whining like a little bitch about something else.

                      Fat check - still unsubstantiated

  37. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

    'SF's approach to the chronically homeless is to treat them as urban megafauna in protected habitat. This is both elevating and dehumanizing; e.g. social norms dictate that you simply step around a person who very well may be dead and go about your day, as one would with wildlife.'

    An enlightened society would promote adoption of struggling animals. After being spayed or neutered homeless people would then move in with compassionate families. Oh, and don't forget to clean up after your pet when you go out for walks.

    1. Ajsloss   9 months ago

      After being spayed or neutered

      No need for that. An enlightened society has other ways of dealing with unplanned pregnancies.

  38. Brandybuck   9 months ago

    > The Democrats have been becoming the party of college-educated voters, and the Republicans doing increasingly well with the working class.

    Nearly all college educated people ARE working class! We gotta work for a living too!

    I think the term they were looking for was "blue collar", which consists of only about 75% college educated. Unless once again they weren't including junior colleges as colleges.

    1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

      "If it isn't an Ivy, then you're not college educated"

      1. mad.casual   9 months ago

        You'll find that one gets more respect as a humble civil servant than as a homicidal maniac.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      If you spent the COVID era on a laptop at home in your pajamas, people who stock shelves, fix broken pipes, staff the night nurse's shift at the hospital, and replace roof shingles would like to talk to you about "work".

  39. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

    New NBC News National Poll
    (1,000 RV; 10/4-8; MOE +/- 3.1%)
    Trump 48%
    Harris 48%
    Last month (post-debate)
    Trump 44%
    Harris 49%

    This is actually amazing when you think about it. You have the entire corporate media complex agitating against him, and Democratic Party judges and prosecutors waging constant lawfare against him, and he’s still statistically tied with voters in a poll by an adversarial media company. Even with a personality like his, he’s beating the Democrats.

    This gives me hope that the media has lost their grip on the plebs. With the exception of older TV watching boomers (The early half of the generation) and young women, people have woken up.
    Blacks, Hispanics and Jews are abandoning the party in droves. The worm has turned.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

      Nah. Media still has a grip on the jeffsarcs of the world. The intellectually deficient who think they are intellectuals.

      1. Mike Parsons   9 months ago

        "The intellectually deficient who think they are intellectuals."

        That's why they have the 'college educated' crowd captured. They really love the idea of their walled garden and wanting to look down on the plebs, even though deep down they know they are actually significantly less skilled and intelligent than a plumber, electrician, contractor, with their PhD in gender studies or whiteness studies.

        Its also why its so easy to debate these folks. They think themselves intelligent, but the smallest bit of scrutiny breaks most of their worldview bc it has never been adequately challenged and theyve never had to defend any of it

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

          Eloi without Morlocks.

          H.G. Wells was wrong!

          1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

            What if I told you that the Eloi were also the Morlocks?

      2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        Just the Sarcs. Jeff doesn't actually believe what he posts here.

    2. Mike Parsons   9 months ago

      "This is actually amazing when you think about it."

      That chubby irrelevant 'white dudes for harris' actor's brag comes to mind:

      "They have Kid Rock, we have the Hulk, Samwise Gamgee, and mayor Pete!!"

      Correction: you have the Hulk, Samwise Gamgee, mayor Pete...
      ...
      Oprah, Taylor Swift, the Obamas, George Clooney, Tom Hanks, Lebron James, JayZ/Beyonce...100% capture of the legacy media, hollywood....

      And you are losing.

      Think about that. They are struggling to tread water with every fucking advantage you could ask for. That is how much of a dead weight Kamala is as a candidate.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

        turd will be along soon to tell us it's because the media favors Trump.

    3. Chumby   9 months ago

      JD Vance is wrong about the polls

  40. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/10/11/the-creepy-thought-experiments-of-ta-nehisi-coates/

    So now we know what it would take for Ta-Nehisi Coates to kill some Jews. I should say that this is not a question I had been pondering. I was not lying awake at night wondering what might push America’s most celebrated man of letters over the cliff edge of savagery. And yet we have the answer nonetheless. If he was a little younger, and had been born in Gaza, and had experienced ‘the oppression and the poverty’ of that tiny, benighted strip of land, then it’s possible, he says, that he would have thrown himself into 7 October. That he would have joined the pogrom. That he would have killed Israelis.

    This sick, strange thought experiment was carried out on Trevor Noah’s podcast, What Now?. ‘I haven’t said this out loud but I think about it a lot’, Coates said. You think a lot about what might have compelled you to join the largest act of anti-Jewish violence since the Holocaust? That’s not normal, sir.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

      The Americans ‘who fought against the British’ were also seen as ‘terrorists’, he said, to murmurs of agreement from Coates. ‘The Boston Tea Party – that’s “terrorism” if you remove the context’, Noah continued.

      ------------

      Well, the Boston Tea Party didn't kill or hurt anyone. Tea Party also didn't include rape, torture, or hostage taking. By some accounts, the vandals swept the decks of the ships to clean up the mess they made. But sure, you go ahead with your moral equivalents if you want.

      1. Ajsloss   9 months ago

        Ummm.... the Tea Party saw white men dress up as natives.

        Do you even woke?

        1. Dillinger   9 months ago

          does the Cleveland Indians shirt I'm sporting count?

          1. Chumby   9 months ago

            If showing up dressed like that, they would have asked you stand juuuust a bit outside.

            1. Dillinger   9 months ago

              jalapeno does add another two or three inches drop on my curveball still.

              1. Ajsloss   9 months ago

                That as it may be, add your shirt to the list of offensive categories you lead.

                1. Dillinger   9 months ago

                  I live every day for a Yankees loss.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                    Who doesn’t, especially in the postseason?

        2. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

          Is redface as bad as blackface?

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

            It is on the Rez.

          2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

            It's worse if you paint half your face red and half your face black.

            1. Don't look at me!   9 months ago

              Yes, but which sides are what color?

              1. Michael Ejercito   9 months ago

                Is that a Star Trek reference?

                1. Chumby   9 months ago

                  It was from an episode of Keeping Up With The Cardassians where they met Klingon musician Tupac Shakur.

              2. Dillinger   9 months ago

                the these uniforms, not these uniforms Futurama scene still hilarious.

  41. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

    Trump proposes that CBS lose its license as a result of that plainly 'edited' Harris interview:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmrh5bp1eOI

    Lefty shit on YT claims this is "unhinged".

    1. Chumby   9 months ago

      I’d Rather them not lose their license and instead just rely on folks knowing BS when they CBS.

      1. Michael Ejercito   9 months ago

        Maybe some people at CBS should be prosecuted for violating campaign finance laws.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

          Must be some NY DA who could find 30-some felonies there...

        2. Jerry B.   9 months ago

          I've been thinking the same thing about the Washington Post. I thought it was bad in 2020, but it's all out Harris campaign now. And some of their commentariat still think they're MAGA, which tells you who reads the Post.

          1. Michael Ejercito   9 months ago

            The Post requires a p[aid subscription to comment.

      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

        "...knowing BS when they CBS."

        Pretty coy ploy.

      3. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

        "see BS when they CBS"?

        1. Chumby   9 months ago

          There are several variations that work. Thought of using “see BS” but went with that. Posts are quick to produce where once it works, it gets sent.

  42. Super Scary   9 months ago

    "The New York Times investigates one of Mayor Eric Adams’ advisers and her ties to the Chinese Communist Party."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      You know who else got tied up with some Chi-coms?

  43. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

    Here’s What Happened to KU Professor Who Called for Men Not Voting for Harris to Be ‘Lined Up’ and ‘Shot’

    UPDATE: the professor who called for men to be 'lined up and shot,' declaring open season on people who don’t plan to vote for Kamala Harris, is no longer an employee at KU.

    “(If you think) guys are smarter than girls, you’ve got some serious problems,” Lowcock had said, per video footage. “That’s what frustrates me. There are going to be some males in our society that will refuse to vote for a potential female president because they don’t think females are smart enough to be president. We could line all those guys up and shoot them. They clearly don’t understand the way the world works.”

    He then went on to wonder, “did I say that? Scratch that from the recording. I don’t want the deans hearing that I said that.”

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 months ago

      "...There are going to be some males in our society that will refuse to vote for a potential female president because they don’t think females are smart enough to be president..."

      Couldn't possibly be that Harris is as dumb as a mud fence, regardless of what's between her legs.

    2. Chumby   9 months ago

      ML posted the link to the video of that. When progressives say the quiet part out loud.

      I voted for JoJo reluctantly but never will cast a vote for Cackles.

      Similar argument used in the comments regarding folks not voting for Chase because he is apparently gay.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

        But like Libs of TikTok, it's racist and MAGA to record and replay what leftists actually did or said.

        1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

          Kind of like how Sarc and Jeff get furious when we repost their old posts.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

        What I wonder is if Democrats in Virginia who don't vote for Winsome Sears...are they sexist or are they racist or are they both?

    3. Zeb   9 months ago

      Good god, what is this guy a professor of? Stupid overgeneralization?
      Amazes me how some people seem to be incapable of thinking about people in any terms other than the identity groups they can be assigned to. It couldn't possibly be that people don't want to vote for harris because she's an idiot. No, must be a generalized hostility to all women.

      1. mad.casual   9 months ago

        All the layers deep.

        I don't think actually mentally handicapped people are smart enough to run the country. I don't even think exceedingly bright people are smart enough to run the country. The idea that the line of thinking, one way or the other, makes one so morally superior as to openly call for their execution is prima facie more dangerous than any alternative.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

      Look at that disgusting fat fuck. This ham sandwich was part of the athletic department?

      They didn't let him go because they disagreed with him, he was let go because he put a target on that gigantic dome of his and everyone else in the office.

      But this is instructive of how academics actually think, and falls in line with The 65 group cited above. Anyone getting in the way of the revolution needs to be exterminated.

    5. Super Scary   9 months ago

      What are the chances this guy is an ActBlue donator?

      1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

        Ah, yes, the mark of a real conservative.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

          Just ask Jeffy.

    6. EISTAU Gree-Vance   9 months ago

      That prof was just apeing obama.

  44. Dillinger   9 months ago

    >>It's not especially surprising that the United States is coming to Netanyahu's aid, but this deployment is still an aggressive and highly visible show of support with consequential timing:

    uuuuuuh, guys? we kinda lost some of the Jewish vote over the summer ...

  45. Dillinger   9 months ago

    >>So in principle, a continued increase in educational polarization would lead to erosion in Democratic support among these groups, but gains with white ones.

    guessing here, but at some point maybe these people would like to not be considered so stupid as to be unable to decide for themselves in their own interests ...

  46. Minadin   9 months ago

    The presidential race is so very close:

    What is the actual fucking point of a single national poll for the presidential race? Does that have any relation to the method we use to select the president?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      "Select" is a good word, since "vote" may not be accurate.

    2. Dillinger   9 months ago

      someone around here either just discovered Silver or is crushing hard ... maybe both

  47. Michael Ejercito   9 months ago

    Are self-hating Whites more likely to be college-educated than White people in general?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      I will bet yes. And more likely to be female, upper-middle class, non-working, and sequestered in some privileged enclave.

      1. Zeb   9 months ago

        What kind of pets are they likely to have?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

          Are you from Haiti?

    2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

      Very likely to be AWFL, I'd guess.

  48. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

    So, some facts about immigrants working in the US.

    https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2024/07/the-foreign-born-labor-force-of-the-united-states

    Overall, the foreign-born population in the US have a higher labor force participation rate than the native-born population. It varies by age, but in all categories, it is comparable to the native-born labor force participation rate.

    So, contrary to popular belief around here, immigrants are not just lounging around collecting welfare checks. They are working, at rates comparable to the native-born population.

    1. Michael Ejercito   9 months ago

      Does it distinguish between legal and illegal aliens?

      1. Super Scary   9 months ago

        "According to BLS, the foreign-born population is defined as “persons residing in the United States who were not U.S. citizens at birth.” That includes “legally-admitted immigrants, refugees, temporary residents such as students and temporary workers, and undocumented immigrants.”"

      2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        "YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK THAT!"

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   9 months ago

      Tell you what. I will consider open borders for all these hard-working immigrants if we export, one-for-one, native-born types who think that work is unfair.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

        How about if no one is either "imported" or "exported", and we simply permit the free travel of peaceful people to exercise their freedom of association?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

          You mean like the Venezuelan gang members who took over the apartments in Aurora against the desires of the property owner?

          And fuck your open borders ideology, fat boy.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

            You mean, the apartment building complexes in Aurora that weren't actually "taken over" by gangs?

            https://www.npr.org/2024/09/06/nx-s1-5100765/aurora-police-chief-says-theres-no-evidence-that-venezuelan-gang-took-over-apartment

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

              LOL, you're citing an article from last month, when even shitlib Martha Raddatz admitted this weekend that it was happening and tried to minimize it?

              Let's take a look at what the property owner had to say on Twitter on October 11th:

              We started managing these buildings when new owners acquired the Colorado properties in 2019. At the time, the properties were in poor condition, and our mission was to renovate them, thereby increasing their value. This was an ambitious project that would significantly benefit the people of Aurora while providing returns to the new owners.
              We understood this project would take years to yield results and would be both time-consuming and costly, involving comprehensive upgrades to every unit and the overall structure. To manage the project effectively, given our New York-based operations, our representative moved to Colorado with his family.
              We also undertook a complete renovation of nearly every unit in the now well-known building you’ve seen in the news. (The images shown depict our newly renovated apartments.)
              Everything was progressing smoothly: property values were rising, and vacancy rates were dropping. It was a win-win for both the owners and the city of Aurora.
              Then, the gangs arrived...

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

              After some time, we noticed a rise in crime and tenant complaints. The most alarming moment occurred when our local CBZ representative was attacked at the end of 2023.
              He had gone to inspect a recently vacated three-bedroom apartment (a rare occurrence for such a large unit) only to find a group of men already inside. When he refused their $500 bribe to overlook the situation, they brutally attacked him. (This photo was taken shortly after he escaped, just before being admitted to the hospital. The video footage comes from one of our security cameras, capturing part of the assault.)

            3. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

              After the attack on our CBZ representative, he began getting threatening text messages. We also frequently found people illegally occupying newly vacated apartments during scheduled tours. This was initially attributed to an influx of migrants exploiting squatter laws. We even received a call from a tenant returning from vacation, only to find strangers living in his apartment. This legitimate tenant was forced to find a new home after police couldn’t help him.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                Why don't you provide a citation for these claims?

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                  Why don't you bother reading, you fat fuck?

                  Let’s take a look at what the property owner had to say on Twitter on October 11th:

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                    So provide the link.

                    1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

                      Since you're somehow unable or unwilling to make the trivial effort of pasting virtually any one of the sentences into google...

                      https://x.com/CbzManagement/status/1844823371848257952

                    2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                      FFS Medulla, newspaper articles, photographs, tv news footage and a statement by a company that owns one of the complexes isn't good enough for Jeffy. He needs REAL evidence.

                    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                      Since you’re somehow unable or unwilling to make the trivial effort of pasting virtually any one of the sentences into google…

                      It’s a stunning level of laziness on his part that entire Twitter posts were pasted for his benefit, as well as the date in which they were posted (which includes videos, photos, and screenshots), and he still claims that no citation was provided.

                      He must get really pissed at sources cited in books because they don’t have a link for his lazy ass to click on.

                      The best part was his "see, here's this NPR article from last month that said there's no Venezeulan gangs in Aurora!" Funny how even his fellow shitlibs are admitting "yeah, it's happening," and then try to minimize it by saying "but it's not that common, so don't worry about it." Like something like that should be tolerated in the first place.

                      Similar to other migrant resettlement programs during the Biden administration, certain politicians and businessmen are likely getting their palms greased here to plop these people in apartments without paying the actual property owners rent, letting the situation deteriorate, and then using the deterioration THEY enabled to justify seizing the owner's property so they can continue using it as a migrant flophouse. Never mind that TdA are next-level violent, and are known for threatening and even killing police and public officials who try to stop their operations, including their families. They aren't like American gangs--they don't pop off a few rounds and flee when the cops arrive.

                      Letting even one of these fuckers set up shop in Aurora is a leadership failure on par with what happened 35 years ago, when the Crip and Blood gangs moved out from California to set up their drug networks. That culminated in the 1993 "Summer of Violence" and resulted in gang task forces that went on for years.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      So why didn't you provide the link at the outset?

                      sources cited in books

                      That would be analogous to a link, which you didn't provide. I am happy to look up sources when they are actually provided.

                      I had never heard of these claims before today, so thank you for providing them.

                      So we have one side of the story, which is actually not from the owner but the property management company. Okay. So now, if we want to try to figure out the truth of the matter, we would examine other sources and try to come up with the whole picture.

                    5. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      I note that the very first response from that Twitter thread is from a local news channel asking why the property management company didn't respond to that news channel's inquiries, and instead decided to communicate their story via Twitter instead. So, that right there is a little suspicious. If the property management company is so frustrated with what's going on, why not be willing to tell their story to the media when asked to do so? I think that the property management company is telling their side of the story, which they are entirely entitled to do, but it probably does not represent the whole truth.

                      Here is a statement from the Aurora city council and mayor:

                      https://www.auroragov.org/news/whats_new/mayor__council_member_address_gang_concerns

                      It looks as though the gang activity that is being discussed here, is associated with ten individuals known to the police. So let's not make a mountain out of a molehill here. I am sure it is frustrating to everyone involved that these 10 people are causing so much havoc, but it's hard to see how 10 people represent a national crisis.

                      And before you dismiss this statement as "oh it's just the city government trying to cover their ass", one of the co-authors of that statement, Danielle Jurinsky, is profiled as one of the heroines in the video that the property management company shared, who moved one of the tenants out of that apartment complex. Oh, and she also spoke at Trump's rally there. So not exactly some limp-wristed librul.

                      This whole thing seems to be exaggerating a story in order to score points.

                    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                      So why didn’t you provide the link at the outset?

                      Who gives a shit? The date is from three days ago and easily found.

                      That would be analogous to a link, which you didn’t provide. I am happy to look up sources when they are actually provided.'

                      Translation: "I'm a fat lazy fuck."

                      So we have one side of the story, which is actually not from the owner but the property management company.

                      They're the owners of the property, moron.

                      I note that the very first response from that Twitter thread is from a local news channel asking why the property management company didn’t respond to that news channel’s inquiries, and instead decided to communicate their story via Twitter instead

                      So what? They don't need to provide the press with shit. If the press doesn't think the claims are legit, they can disprove it.

                      It looks as though the gang activity that is being discussed here, is associated with ten individuals known to the police. So let’s not make a mountain out of a molehill here. I am sure it is frustrating to everyone involved that these 10 people are causing so much havoc, but it’s hard to see how 10 people represent a national crisis.

                      It shouldn't be happening at all, you stupid fuck. That's the point. But then, you don't think dumping 20K refugees into a town of 50K is any big deal, either.

                      And before you dismiss this statement as “oh it’s just the city government trying to cover their ass”, one of the co-authors of that statement, Danielle Jurinsky, is profiled as one of the heroines in the video that the property management company shared, who moved one of the tenants out of that apartment complex.

                      The statement is from September 11th. CBZ's posts are from October 11th. And if Jurinsky didn't think this was a problem, she wouldn't have taken it to Fox to begin with. Coffman himself is simply trying to cover his ass, and the APD signed off on it to try and deflect the attention until they could get their new police chief in the seat. And let's see what gets buried down at the bottom of the release:

                      The existence of this criminal element is a regional issue. Just recently arrests have also been made in Denver and Arapahoe County. For this reason, a special task force was established in collaboration with Aurora and other local, state, and federal partners. The focus of the task force is to address concerns about TdA and other criminal activity affecting our communities.

                      So no, this isn't making a "mountain out of molehill" or "trying to score points." They're already in the area, and the last thing any leader with sense should want is give them a chance to actually set up shop there. Especially when these people are taking over whole apartment buildings, attacking and threatening CBZ representatives, and destroying the property that CBZ invested money into renovate.

                    7. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      Here is some more data to try to establish the truth about what is happening in Aurora.

                      https://www.coloradopolitics.com/aurora/aurora-donald-trump-rally-danielle-jurinsky-city-council/article_cb4552a0-0b13-5423-93ba-c02162832a59.html

                      First, even Jurinsky was saying, right before Trump's rally there, that the issue of gangs in Aurora has been 'overstated'. EVEN SHE thinks that you are making a bigger deal out of this than it deserves.

                      Second, it turns out that the gang has been active in another property that is *also* managed by CBZ. Huh. That seems weird. What are the odds that this gang would be active in two different properties managed by the same company.

                      So what? They don’t need to provide the press with shit.

                      It matters because it sure looks like CBZ is trying to present a one-sided story that they don't want to see challenged or scrutinized. Of course your team is going to fall for it because you will believe any story, no matter how thinly sourced, that makes immigrants look bad.

                      It shouldn’t be happening at all

                      There are lots of things that "shouldn't be happening". You want to know what would make it more likely to stop the "bad hombres" from coming into this country? Stop making the border police hassle peaceful migrants who don't want to harm anyone. It distracts their attention away from what they ought to be doing, catching gang members trying to sneak across the border.

                    8. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                      Here is some more data to try to establish the truth about what is happening in Aurora.

                      “Here’s some rhetorical smokescreening that I’m going to try and throw up.”

                      First, even Jurinsky was saying, right before Trump’s rally there, that the issue of gangs in Aurora has been ‘overstated’. EVEN SHE thinks that you are making a bigger deal out of this than it deserves.

                      Why didn’t you include the rest of the quote, fat boy? Here it is:

                      “But I don’t want the situation downplayed because even one apartment complex taken over by this Venezuelan gang is one too many for me, and we have three.”

                      Again, why let a next-level violent gang like TdA set up shop in the first place. And the hilarious part is that you didn't actually provide any "data," just a cherry-picked statement.

                      Second, it turns out that the gang has been active in another property that is *also* managed by CBZ. Huh. That seems weird. What are the odds that this gang would be active in two different properties managed by the same company.

                      There’s nothing “weird” about it at all, but I realize you’re trying to minimize the problem again.

                      It matters because it sure looks like CBZ is trying to present a one-sided story that they don’t want to see challenged or scrutinized.

                      Oh? They provided the receipts in the Twitter feeds. If the press wants to debunk them, they’re welcome to try. It’s all there for them to scrutinize.

                      But then again, you thought Oberlin was unfairly punished for trying to put Gibson’s Bakery out of business, and deflected the coverage by Legal Insurrection because the whole business made your lefty boos look bad. So it’s not really a surprise that you are trying to minimize these gang takeovers, or the CBZ representative being beaten up and threatened. Quite the consistent pattern with you.

                      There are lots of things that “shouldn’t be happening”. You want to know what would make it more likely to stop the “bad hombres” from coming into this country? Stop making the border police hassle peaceful migrants who don’t want to harm anyone. It distracts their attention away from what they ought to be doing, catching gang members trying to sneak across the border.

                      Yeah, we know, you don’t like the consequences of your open border policy when they make your side look bad.

                    9. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      No, here is actual data. Again you already showed your hand when you said that you are going to oppose me no matter what. So even if I present validated verified unimpeachable data that contradicts your narrative, you are going to dishonestly trash it regardless. And right on cue, you bring up some irrelevant ancient conversation to try to distract from the one that you are currently losing. Because you are never ever going to acknowledge when I say something that is actually correct. So when you pull these tricks, like distractions and insults, that is how I know I am winning.

                    10. But SkyNet is a Private Company   9 months ago

                      What data? Do you know what data is?

                    11. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                      Because you are never ever going to acknowledge when I say something that is actually correct. So when you pull these tricks, like distractions and insults, that is how I know I am winning.

                      No, fat boy, I bring it up to highlight your years-long history of mendacity when your narrative gets undermined, and that it's a pattern with you.

                      And there was no "data."

                2. Minadin   9 months ago

                  Pics or it didn't happen? That's the level of discourse on the left now?

                  I can't take the property owner's word for it, I can't listen to what the local residents are saying. That's not proof, because it contradicts my narrative. All of these people must be having a shared mass delusion. Those weren't cats, they were racoons. Totally different.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                    You may choose to uncritically accept unsourced claims because they fit your worldview, but I reserve the right to check out these claims for myself.

                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                      You may choose to uncritically accept unsourced claims because they fit your worldview,

                      Once again:

                      Let’s take a look at what the property owner had to say on Twitter on October 11th:

                      I realize you're too fucking lazy to waddle your fat ass into a DMV to get a driver's license, but this isn't even requiring you to lift up your bulk from the couch. Are your fingers just too fat, too?

                    2. Chumby   9 months ago

                      He provided the cite in his post. Does Reason need a special needs version for you?

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      Well I'm glad you all finally did provide the link, because it did show that you were incorrect in your initial claim - your source did not in fact come from the property owner, but from the property management company.

                      So why did you lie about the contents of your own source?

                    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                      Well I’m glad you all finally did provide the link, because it did show that you were incorrect in your initial claim – your source did not in fact come from the property owner, but from the property management company.

                      They're the ones who bought the properties, you hair-splitting moron. Tell us, you fat fuck, why do you think it's okay for Venezuelan gang members to beat the shit out of their representative and send him threatening texts?

                    5. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      Please. This is the nonsense that you always retreat to. No one believes it is "okay" that gang members are terrorizing anyone. Stop trying to give the border patrol an impossible job of trying to catch everyone, and let them focus on the gangbangers instead.

                    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                      Please. This is the nonsense that you always retreat to. No one believes it is “okay” that gang members are terrorizing anyone.

                      LOL, yeah, that’s why you tried to minimize it as “frustrating,” rather than what it really is, which is “dangerous.”

                      “It’s only a few apartment complexes being taken over by violent immigrant gangs, let’s not get upset about this!”

                    7. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      I think there are lots of gangs doing lots of terrible things, and that none of it "should" be happening.

                      I think the only reason that you and your team are harping on THIS gang in THIS case, is because they further your anti-immigration narrative.

                    8. Chumby   9 months ago

                      It comes up under the Biden-Harris failed immigration/border enforcement discussions since there have been many of those. It happened and helps highlights how bad things are.
                      Had this group not been allowed into the US or been allowed to stay for so long, this horrible situation would not have played out as it did. It may have gotten additional focus because of the misinformation about it by illegal alien friendly entities that compelled additional discussion to being the truth to the light.

                3. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                  "The incidents were limited to a handful of apartment complexes... A handful!"

                4. Chumby   9 months ago

                  He provided the cite in his post you stupid piece of fat fuck shit. JFC.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                    No, a citation would be a link to the source material.

                    1. Chumby   9 months ago

                      A cite is a cite. A link is a link. JFC. He provided the text after the cite. This is White Mike level stupid.

                    2. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                      No, Lying Jeffy. A citation is simply a reference to a source. A link to a source is a link to a source. Citations existed before the internet you know.

                      That’s why when challenging you and your pet drunk, I often tell you that you only have to cite an example and don’t even have to provide a link.

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      A *proper* citation includes the link to the source. No author could get away with "what that guy said on Oct. 11" as any proper citation for anything.

                    4. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                      Oh fuck off, you pedantic twit.

                    5. Chumby   9 months ago

                      No true scotsman. Fuck you fat, stupid piece of shit. You are eclipsing White Mike. Congrats.

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      No, fuck you. When you write professional text that goes beyond Internet forum posts, then maybe you can try to lecture everyone else on what a citation properly consists of.

                      God you really are a piece of shit troll.

                    7. Chumby   9 months ago

                      Fat checked as - morbidly obese and stupid

                      What professional texts have you written? Articles for Defeat Anorexia Monthly?

                    8. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      Way more than you, that's for sure.

                      If I tell you what I've written, I'd be doxxing myself, so I'm not going to do that.

                      The fact that you think "what some guy wrote on Oct. 11" is some sort of valid citation proves to me that you haven't written shit on a professional level.

                    9. Chumby   9 months ago

                      Provide cites with links please. Thanks.

                    10. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      lol, no. and fuck off.

                    11. Bertram Guilfoyle   9 months ago

                      Weren't you already "doxed" several months back?

                    12. Chumby   9 months ago

                      Fat check - unsubstantiated (again)

                    13. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                      “A *proper* citation includes the link to the source.”

                      What did a *proper* citation include in 1850, Lying Jeffy? Or 1923? Or 1991?

                      Did citations only begin once the internet was created?

                      Maybe you could also contact all the dictionaries and tell them that they’ve got it wrong: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/citation

                      Stupid lying twat. Just say “I’d like a citation with a link, please”, next time. Or even just "I'd like a link".

                    14. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

                      "If I tell you what I’ve written, I’d be doxxing myself"

                      Well, you had a blog where you claimed to be a conservative (lol), and a twitter account that mostly consisted of reposting Mr. Sulu's insane rantings.
                      Also, for an attempted pedant it's odd that you think that you can "doxx" yourself.

                    15. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                      The fact that you think “what some guy wrote on Oct. 11” is some sort of valid citation proves to me that you haven’t written shit on a professional level.

                      I provided the source and the date, plus multiple posts. And it wasn't just "some guy," it was the actual CBZ account. But I realize you think the videos are made up, the photo of the bloody rep was probably faked, and the screenshots of the texts done by AI.

            4. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

              When confronted, many of these illegal tenants and squatters claimed they had already paid rent, which we soon realized was true—but not to us. They were paying rent to a different entity.
              To address this entity (gangs) we contacted every city official we could think of for help with the problem. Unfortunately, none were willing to take meaningful action.
              Meanwhile, our CBZ representative continued receiving threatening messages, in which these criminals revealed his home address and his spouse’s name.
              Finally, the APD, FBI and Homeland Security informed us that those sending the messages and controlling our buildings were part of the notorious Tren De Aragua gang from Venezuela. They also mentioned that our situation was just "a blip on the radar," as this gang is causing significant problems nationwide.

            5. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

              Two days after our FBI meeting, the gang confronted our on-site manager, asserting control over all three properties. They offered an ultimatum: share rental income 50/50 or lose the buildings permanently. They also threatened to harm him and his family.
              For the safety of our management team and their families, we withdrew them from the properties and focused on seeking help from government agencies.

            6. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

              PS, you fucking swine–I graduated from high school in Aurora, lived half my life in the city, and still go back there every few months to visit friends and family. Besides the Twitter posts pasted above, I’d say I have a lot more knowledge about what’s actually going on in Aurora than you do.

              What’s hilarious is that even local libshits trying to deflect from this are having to admit that parts of Aurora have been havens for gangs for decades, and that the Venezuelans are just adding to the mix, but try to argue that “my experience wasn’t that bad, so it’s not like it’s a problem or anything!” Hilarious. Yeah, I didn’t get recruited into a gang, but that doesn’t mean there weren’t gang members at my school. Everyone knew who they fucking were, and even back then people who pointed it out got yelled at because no one wanted to acknowledge the problem.

              1. Z Crazy   9 months ago

                I don;'t know if Aurora is as bad as Compton.

                still, it's not surprising there was a shootout in a movie theater some few years back.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                  Whether it's "as bad as Compton" is irrelevant. It shouldn't be happening in the first place.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                Oh! So even by your account, gang activity in the area is not a new thing. So why has it risen to such a prominent issue now?

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                  You somehow, probably deliberately, missed the whole point about TdA taking over the apartment buildings.

                  This seems to be your MO, Jeffy. Deliberately miss the point and use something else in a comment to skew the conversation in a direction that favors you.

                2. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                  Oh, so by your logic, gang activity isn't a big deal because it's been going on for a long time. So why do you think it's acceptable in this case?

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                    It should be put into proper perspective. No one thinks "it isn't a big deal". Only that making it a national news story is probably overstating things a bit.

                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                      It should be put into proper perspective. No one thinks “it isn’t a big deal”.

                      Martha Raddatz claimed that very thing, on national television. You tried to minimize it as "frustrating."

                      Only that making it a national news story is probably overstating things a bit.

                      LOL, yeah, we wouldn't want reports of violent immigrant gangs taking over entire apartment buildings and threatening the representatives of the owners to get any kind of national attention, now, would we?

                    2. Chumby   9 months ago

                      Tubby is sad.

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                      Here's another example of some gang activity, this time in New York.

                      https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/members-brooklyn-based-hyena-crips-gang-charged-multiple-murders-and-racketeering

                      But, this gang doesn't appear to be composed of Venezuelan illegals, so who gives a shit, right?

                      Why did the Aurora gang get national attention, but this "Hyena Crips" gang not get national attention? Because your team has a dedicated strategy to highlight every story of migrants behaving badly. Yes, they ARE behaving badly here. But your outsized attention to it belies your true intent.

                    4. Chumby   9 months ago

                      I’m not sure anyone had said that gang activity is exclusively attributed to illegal aliens; stating or suggesting this would be a strawman.
                      Under the context of immigration, border patrol, and illegal aliens this specific gang activity highlights why a different approach to Border Czar Harris’ apparent “welcome them in and provide them with American taxpayer funded resources” is welcomed by some.

                    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                      Why did the Aurora gang get national attention, but this “Hyena Crips” gang not get national attention?

                      Why are you getting pissed off that violent immigrant gangs are getting national attention?

        2. Dillinger   9 months ago

          soon as you say they can't vote all will be fine.

        3. Zeb   9 months ago

          That's the ideal I suppose. First let's get rid of asylum for anyone whose bad situation isn't caused by the US government and any other welfare, support or subsidy. If people come to fill a demand for their labor then great. If people come expecting to be resettled and set up with a new life that seems like a problem.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

            When it comes to asylum, the real problem here is that the ordinary immigration process is so broken that peaceful migrants who just want better opportunities for themselves and their families take to using the asylum loophole in immigration law. So, fix the ordinary immigration system to permit peaceful migrants to cross the border freely with just a work permit, and you will see the number of migrants trying to exploit the asylum loophole fall tremendously. At the same time, devote more resources to clearing the huge asylum hearing backlog so that those who have cases pending aren't waiting years and years, those with meritless cases can have their cases decided quickly. That alone would go a long way to solving the problems at the border.

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   9 months ago

              Jeff, since "immigrant" has become hitler-speak - you refer to the individuals as "migrants" but then also refer to the "immigration process".

              Shouldn't you update your language "migration process" to avoid dehumanization?

              1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   9 months ago

                Lol.

                The fat post modernist cant even keep his ever changing vocabulary consistent.

            2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

              Since the process for legally obtaining a firearm is pretty onerous, costly, and invasive of my privacy (a clear "papers, please!" tyranny situation) , and the government tries to say who should get guns and who shouldn’t in clear violations of my rights to own firearms, should I just bypass all that and buy my guns “illegally”?

              1. Michael Ejercito   9 months ago

                Very good point.

                Of course, the same side that excuses illegal immigration would not excuse this.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                If the wait time for buying a gun was 30 years, as is the wait time for immigration here from certain countries, then yeah the law itself is unjust and you would be completely justified IMO in breaking the law to exercise your right to self-defense. Do you agree?

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

                  It doesn’t excuse breaking the initial law in the first place, dip.

                2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   9 months ago

                  Lol. The situation in aurora is “exaggerated”, but “30 years” to do things legally is not?

                  Idiot.

              3. Zeb   9 months ago

                should I just bypass all that and buy my guns “illegally”?
                Yes, if you find the risk acceptable.

        4. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

          Just as soon as we get rid of the perverse incentives of the welfare state.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

            Why should the liberty of others be dependent on your policy preferences?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

              Why are you a pedantic twit, Jeffy?

            2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

              Their rights aren’t subject to my policy preferences. But my wallet isn’t theirs to plunder, either. I don’t care what you do, so long as I’m not being forced to pay for it. If you’re going to force me to pay for it–or put me in prison for not ‘voluntarily’ paying for it, I’m going to oppose it.

              Mind you, I’m not saying end welfare state handouts ONLY to immigrants, cut the whole lot of the programs off for everyone.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                Their rights aren’t subject to my policy preferences. But my wallet isn’t theirs to plunder, either. I don’t care what you do, so long as I’m not being forced to pay for it.

                Okay, then I have a proposal for you.

                You know what costs way more money than handouts to immigrants? Handouts to native-born citizens. Why should native-born citizens have the unrestricted liberty to fuck and have so many kids who end up becoming nothing more than leeches and moochers on the welfare state? So let's instead make it illegal for native-born citizens to have kids without government permission. To get government permission, the prospective parents would have to prove that they would be able to raise kids without any sort of government assistance whatsoever. After all, they are free to do whatever they want, just as long as you're not paying for it. Right?

                And if your response to this is "that would be horrible, it would be an unbearable infringements of the liberties of all people, the government should never have the power to do that!", then you get my point. When it comes to having and raising kids, we all agree that the liberty for a couple to choose to become parents and raise their kids as they see fit (within reason) is far more important than the welfare costs that their child rearing might inflict upon the rest of us.

                And yet when it comes to migration, the cost of the welfare becomes paramount, but the liberty of the migrants (AND the liberty of the citizens who would associate with the migrants) becomes secondary. Why is that?

                1. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

                  WHAT THE FUCK PART OF "Mind you, I’m not saying end welfare state handouts ONLY to immigrants, cut the whole lot of the programs off for everyone." CAN YOU NOT FUCKING READ YOU MENDACIOUS FUCK?

                  "We all agree that the liberty for a couple to choose to become parents and raise their kids as they see fit (within reason) is far more important than the welfare costs that their child rearing might inflict upon the rest of us."

                  NO, WE DON"T "ALL AGREE". You have a right to have your kids, sure, but you've got no right to make me pay for them. I disagree, I strongly, strongly, disagree. You have zero right to put a gun to my head and say "Feed my kids, house my kids, educate my kids."

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

                    Oh. Well, I stand corrected. Then, would you be in favor of a law that makes procreation illegal unless the prospective parents can demonstrate that their offspring won't be a burden on the taxpayer?

                    1. Chumby   9 months ago

                      Yes, by repealing all forms of govt welfare.

                    2. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

                      Nope. Don't want or need any such law.

                      See, if there is no government tit to suck on, the overzealous breeders and their pack of rugrats are on their own and taxpayers have no burden. Does it suck to be those parents and those kids? Sure, but that's not my problem.

                      Unless I voluntarily choose to help them, like many good-natured and generous people would, have, and will.

                      You putting a gun to my head and saying "Feed them." completely changes the dynamic. Nothing creates resentment like slavery. Next thing you know, someone will say "Little Timmy needs a kidney and you're a compatible 'donor'."

    3. Zeb   9 months ago

      What does it look like if you limit it to recent arrivals who crossed the southern border at unofficial crossings?

    4. Jerry B.   9 months ago

      Yeah. If you want the cheapest possible lawn mowing and landscaping, go to the guys who hire illegals at slave wages.

      1. Zeb   9 months ago

        “Slave wages”? What are you, some kind of communist?

    5. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

      And there you go again, conflating legal and illegal immigration.

    6. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

      Amusingly but not surprisingly, when I post an article demonstrating that immigrants have a higher labor force participation rate than native-born citizens, the usual suspects around here cannot help but veer the conversation away into "but what about GANGS IN AURORA???"

      The crowd that continually claims "why won't you admit the downsides to immigration" will never admit the upsides to immigration, and cannot discuss the issue honestly and in good faith. Instead it is ALWAYS "they're murderers, they are gangbangers in Aurora, they are cannibals, they eat cats in Springfield". Always bad, always terrible.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

        Anything you’re defending is automatically bad by definition. But yes, we realize you think it's perfectly acceptable for TdA to set up shop in Aurora and other places nationwide.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

          Anything you’re defending is automatically bad by definition.

          And since you openly state that you are going to object to everything I say no matter what, we all know when you have no case when your 'objections' consist of nothing but insults.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

            It's nothing less than what you deserve.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   9 months ago

              You really don't understand what a total dumbshit you are here.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   9 months ago

                You really don't understand what a waste of carbon molecules you are.

    7. EISTAU Gree-Vance   9 months ago

      Do you hear yourself? Why is it ok that ANY of them are on welfare?

      Idiot.

  49. Dillinger   9 months ago

    >>The presidential race is so very close:

    Nate has nothing else to monetize but to continue professing this.

    1. Zeb   9 months ago

      NM

      1. Dillinger   9 months ago

        a. there's a New Mexico?
        b. I prefer Alice in Chains.

        1. AT   9 months ago

          We actually call it Better Mexico.

          We do the same thing out east, with Better England.

          1. mad.casual   9 months ago

            [squints] I'm pretty sure you mean New England.

            1. AT   9 months ago

              Yea, they tried that. It didn't work. And we sent them packing.

              Then we made our own. And it was better. Hence, Better England.

              Old England isn't anywhere near as good as our new England.

              1. Dillinger   9 months ago

                is that where they moved London Bridge to?

                1. AT   9 months ago

                  I think that's in Arizona.

  50. Dillinger   9 months ago

    hey has anyone seen Jeff Lynne do his ELO songs on this last tour? he's in Dallas on Friday we're thinking about it ...

    1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

      Being younger than ELO I only first heard Mr. Blue Sky about 10 or 15 years ago, but I fell in love.

  51. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

    “Hey SpaceX, whatcha up to?”

    “Oh just catching giant rockets out of the air with a FREAKING TOWER”

    “Oh cool, how bout you, NASA?”

    “We’re….studying how racist the air is….”

    1. Chumby   9 months ago

      NASA was also involved in that astroturf video with Kamala where child actors were hired.

      1. Mother's Lament   9 months ago

        Today's ruling class is bigger garbage than Ancien régime aristocrats before the La Révolution française.

      2. Eeyore   9 months ago

        9/10 paid actors agree - Kamala is the best!

        1. Chumby   9 months ago

          The other 1/10 got groped by Biden?

  52. Medulla Oblongata   9 months ago

    Have we talked about how Harris' univison town hall was purportedly packed with hand-picked supportive question-askers and padded out with professional paid seat-fillers?

    And did you see the video of the one audience member who lip-synced parts of Harris' speech...she knew Harris's favorite bits by heart?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   9 months ago

      It goes beyond that. She was using a teleprompter for her speech at a supposedly unscripted town hall. The camera caught it before they had to turn the teleprompter off.

      There is practically nothing real about this woman.

      1. Longtobefree   9 months ago

        She wants to destroy America as a free country.
        That part is real.

        1. Michael Ejercito   9 months ago

          Michael Tracey tweeted about this.

          https://x.com/mtracey/status/1844849198384210327

  53. See.More   9 months ago

    > The Democrats have been becoming the party of college-educatedcredentialed voters, and the Republicans doing increasingly well with the working class. "The increasing educational credential divide is coming into tension with the most longstanding feature of American politics: racial polarization," writes Nate Silver on Substack.

    Fixed it for Nate Silver

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