Trump Panders to Auto Industry, Proposes Making Car Loan Interest Tax Deductible
The former president's increasingly lopsided economic policy proposals have the feel of throwing spaghetti at the wall.

As we enter the final days of the 2024 election cycle, the presidential campaigns are making their final pitches to voters. Former president Donald Trump's latest tax proposal sounds like good politics, but it also suggests no deeper economic message than wanting to get elected.
"We will make interest on car loans fully deductible," Trump said in a speech to the Detroit Economic Club on Thursday. "This will stimulate massive domestic auto production and make car ownership dramatically more affordable for millions and millions of working American families."
According to CNBC's Elizabeth Gravier, the average new car owner can expect to pay around $4,450 in loan interest over six years, while the average used car will cost its owner about $5,833 in loan interest over five years.
But tax filers would likely have to itemize their deductions—and 90 percent of taxpayers simply take the standard deduction instead of itemizing. For tax year 2024, the standard deduction is $29,200 for married couples and $14,600 for individuals, meaning any taxpayer who hopes to take advantage of Trump's proposed car loan interest break would necessarily have a significant amount of other deductions, like mortgage interest and real estate property taxes.
So while making car loans tax deductible makes little sense as economic policy, it makes perfect sense when you consider the audience: Detroit, home of America's auto industry. (After making the announcement, Trump even asked the crowd, "Who likes that idea?", as if to make sure it landed.)
Auto dealership owners also make up a significant segment of the Republican base: "Auto dealers are one of the five most common professions among the top 0.1 percent of American earners," wrote Slate's Alexander Sammon in 2023. "They're also one of the most organized political factions…and donate to Republicans at a rate of 6-to-1."
The car loan proposal is the latest in a series of seemingly random tax proposals the former president has floated in recent months. Taken as a whole, it appears that Trump's economic policy is largely based on pandering to whichever crowd he's in front of.
"For those hotel workers people that get tips, you're gonna be very happy, because when I get to office, we are going to not charge taxes on tips," Trump told a crowd in Nevada all the way back in June. The Associated Press noted that "Nevada has the highest concentration of tipped workers in the country, with about 25.8 waiters and waitresses per 1,000 jobs." The proposal soon became Republican orthodoxy, included in the party platform and in legislation proposed by Republicans in the Senate.
In an all-caps post on Truth Social in July, Trump declared that "Seniors should not pay tax on Social Security!" At a Tucson campaign rally in September, he further pledged, "we will end all taxes on overtime" pay. And Trump has also proposed eliminating the cap on the amount of state and local taxes (SALT) that can be deducted on one's federal income taxes—a cap instituted by his own tax law, whose repeal benefits wealthier taxpayers.
On net, paying lower and fewer taxes is a good thing: It lets Americans keep more of their money and gives the government less power to do whatever it pleases. But at the same time, the nation faces mounting national debt—nearly $35.7 trillion, as of this writing. And while Trump has proposed numerous tax cuts, he has proposed strikingly few spending cuts, thereby ensuring our debt will only continue to spiral out of control.
Without giving examples of any specific programs, Trump advocated creating "a government efficiency commission tasked with conducting a complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal government and making recommendations for drastic reforms," with Tesla CEO Elon Musk in charge. "We will fully eliminate fraud and improper payments within six months," Trump pledged. "This will save trillions of dollars…for the same service you have right now."
But Trump has also vowed not to cut Social Security or Medicare, two of the biggest drivers of federal debt. Over the next 75 years, the U.S. faces $73 trillion in unfunded liabilities, all of which come from those two programs.
Trump has also said he would pay for his tax cuts with his plan to slap a universal baseline 10 percent (or possibly 20 percent) tariff on all imports, with a 60 percent baseline tariff on goods from China. "Ultimately, we can break it even, and it's going to generate tremendous growth," Trump told Las Vegas' ABC13, wherein he also said tariff is "the most beautiful word there is."
But putting aside that these tariffs would be paid by American consumers, it's inconceivable to think he could fund his whole grab bag of pandering tax cuts with tariffs.
This week, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimated that Trump's proposals, if enacted, would increase federal deficits by $7.5 trillion over 10 years—raising spending by $10.2 trillion while taking in $3.7 trillion in revenue. But that analysis includes $2.7 trillion in revenue from tariffs—a figure the report notes "does not incorporate macrodynamic effects of tariffs on the overall economy….Due to the novelty of this policy, the true economic impact is hard to predict."
"Trump's proposed tariffs threaten to offset the economic benefits of his proposed tax policy changes, while falling short of offsetting the tax revenue losses," Tax Foundation economist Erica York wrote in September. "Trump's combination of policies could therefore shrink economic output and grow the national debt."
Meanwhile, the Peterson Institute for International Economics estimated in August that Trump's 10 percent tariff proposal would cost the average American household an extra $1,700 per year—or up to $2,600 with 20 percent tariffs.
Certainly, there are positive aspects of Trump's proposals: Lowering people's taxes, as a general rule, is a laudable goal. But any economic policy should be undertaken with great care and consideration. Trump's proposals, on the other hand, are more akin to throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks.
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Oh yeah? Well what about Harris? No articles critical of her.
Ideas!
As sarc always says the last few months, taxes are a good thing and should be raised.
If the debt really matters, then there are only two options: cut spending (which means SS, Medicare, Medicaid, defense, or a combination of those since everything else is too small a fraction of all federal spending to close the gap) or raise taxes. Republicans have made it clear every time that they have had control since Reagan that they won't choose either. Democrats at least pick one (raise taxes for the rich, that is), even if you hate the one that they pick.
Every American of every political persuasion would benefit from politicians that would be honest about the hard fiscal choices we face rather than the fantasy promises they all make to get elected. But that means that voters have to demand truth. By all evidence, voters want to be sold the fantasy that the pain will be felt by someone else.
Getting rid of the illegals would be a huge money saver.
But putting aside that these tariffs would be paid by American consumers, it’s inconceivable to think he could fund his whole grab bag of pandering tax cuts with tariffs.
More leftist lies. Tariffs on China are tariffs on fucking China!
What are you defining as "right-wing" and "left-wing", Sarckles?
I just want the citation of his claimed argument or him to admit his strawman is as retarded as him. This from the dumbass who didn’t know Reagan also used tariffs.
Hey buddy. Trump also discussed giving tax breaks to domestic manufacturers. Do those tax costs contribute to consumer costs? Would this reduce domestic costs? If they were called domestic tariffs being ended would you support it?
The libertarian case against tax cuts
Lancaster is a TDS-addled slimy pile of shit, ain't he?
boooooring. you're nothing but reruns
Reason wants to pump the brakes on this?
They'd probably like to throw a TARP over it so we forget what real pandering to the automotive industry directly and at cost to the taxpayers to win an election looks like.
Considering a car loan costs about what a mortgage did 40 years ago, that's probably not a bad idea up to a certain level--say, anything under $50K.
$50K won't buy a work truck these days, at least not new. Not going to find a whole lot of 3/4 ton trucks on the market for $50k or under. And they aren't even Cowboy Cadillacs. You want a decent package on an F-250 or 350, you talking $60-70K.
Maybe some fleet vehicles might be under that, but, if you're not looking to buy a fleet, it's gonna cost you to own a decent work truck these days (but if you own your own business, the interest is already tax deductible as a business expense).
Ram is starting to offer huge incentives since their half ton trucks aren’t selling well.
Most people would still not even be claiming this unless the tax exemptions under the Trump tax cuts expire.
What about other auto-related financing? Some folks may blow the tranny in their SUV and need to borrow some cash to resolve that.
They can get cash foe the tranny reading to kids like normal tranny supporters.
Usually you have to pay the tranny up front . . .
Remember when Gretchen Whitmer called JD Vance weird?
SFW, but it looks like the beginning of some lesbian step-mom porn.
Remember when jeffsarc called themselves a libertarian?
I... I don't understand social media.
Go on…..
Making fun of the Eucharist seems the smart move in Michigan, not like there's a lot of Catholics and Lutherans in the upper Midwest. I'm sure this applies to other denominations too, but as a rule, it's fairly traditional for both Catholics and Lutherans to kneel to take the Eucharist, and in both, taking the Eucharist is a Holy Sacrament (actually to be considered a member in good standing, most Lutheran congregations actually require you to take part in Communion at least once a year, and it's one of three Holy Sacraments, along with Baptism and Marriage).
Today's edition of "Harder, Daddy! Give us the Socialist Party harder!" is brought to you by Libertarians Against Cutting Taxes (LACT).
If there are eight members of of Libertarians Against Cutting Taxes, they'd be the LACT8.
Nice. We already have that though. Sarc, Shrike, and Jeffy makes eight.
https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/1844560311358992580
^^This Harris ad tops pajama boy-ROFLOL
Happy weekend everyone.
Even more hilarious is these are all paid actors, most with public posts supporting democrats. That's what they think is manly.
The one that says he would braid his daughter's hair doesn't even have a daughter. Shouldn't that count as misinformation?
“Crying at Predator” was probably the most cringey, AI-generated “How do you do fellow human males?” thing I’ve ever seen.
Old Yeller? Yes. Braveheart? Yes. Gladiator? Yes. Saving Private Ryan? Yes. Glory? Yes.
Predator? WTF? That’s like crying at Godzilla (one of the older ones) or Commando. Even Seven makes more sense than Predator. Predator is the choice made by someone who has no actual idea why people cry.
Every guy with a dead father bawls his eyes out at Field of Dreams.
Leftists cried when the young girl survived choking.
Right.
I could maybe even see sneaking in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 or Logan, but saying Predator, you might as well just hang a sign saying "I have no idea what character is." around your neck.
She never cried when ol’ yellar died and I’m not going to cry when now that she’s gone.
Sorry, that band would be considered problematic and cancelled today.
I still tear up at nearly 50 when I get to the end of Where the Reddern grows, and I remember how mad my oldest got when he finished it. 'Dad, the dogs died, and you said it was a great book'. It was and is.
Cross posted from another thread-
Harris yard sign: Voting Prevents Unwanted Presidencies
Bitch, if you were half as zealous at preventing unwanted pregnancies as you are at preventing unwanted Presidencies, neither one would be an issue.
Was this made by the same as exec as Gillette used?
It’s even faggier.
"the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimated that Trump's proposals, if enacted, would increase federal deficits by $7.5 trillion over 10 years"
Do they include the savings from eliminating the department of education?
Nope. Also didn't include costs of extra corporate taxes or most of Kamalas guarantees like the 3M new homes, 25k down-payment, expansion of Medicaid, costs of illegal immigration, etc.
There is still the work done by the department, which will likely just be shipped to a different department. While eliminating the DOEd as a cabinet position may make sense, I suspect the cost saving will be mininal.
What work parody? What has been made better since Carter implemented the cabinet?
There is, literally, no work for the Dept of Education to do. None.
While it may be your opinion that there is nothing to do, that does not agree with the facts. The federal government was doing things for education on a national level since 1867 when the Department of Education was created. The creation of cabinet level position in 1980 was a splitting of the larger Department of Health, Education and Welfare. Eliminating the current Department of Education would therefore require a sifting through the work done by the DOEd. Deciding what could be eliminated and what would be transferred to other agencies.
While I agree that there is a need to condense the cabinet level positions, I will not kid myself that there is some massive savings in taking this action. Some saving and that is good.
There is still the work done by the department
I think statement applies:
"[W]hat you've just [written] is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever [read]. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having [read] it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." - Principal (Billy Madison)
"Maya MacGuineas is the president of the bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget...Previously, MacGuineas worked at the Brookings Institution"
Yes that beacon of impartiality, the Brookings Institution.
It took me less than five minutes to find that on Google.
Over the years people have talked about running the government like a business. Now most of those people are thinking about successful businesses. But what if you had a person like Trump running the government like one of his businesses. Borrowing large amounts of money for government services without really bringing in necessary revenue. Trump can refinance his businesses or declare bankruptcy and stiff the people he owes money to. Can he do the same with the Federal Government, because he is beginning to sound like that his plan. Borrow to max and get out before the bills come due.
Way to tell us how you’ve never run or been responsible for a business.
A business will cut waste. Government rewards it.
First you are right that I never ran a business. My comment is not suggesting that a smart business person could not be President, what I am suggesting is that Trump business model will not work for the Federal Government.
As for government waste, If I took 535 people and put them in Congress could they agree on what is waste. I don't think I could. I am sure if it's a program that benefits their state, it is essential. A number of years back I noted one thing Republicans and Democrats in my state, Wisconsin, could agree upon was the need for the Navy boats built in Sturgeon Bay, WI. The Navy did not feel they were necessary but Wisconsin's Senators and Congress people did think they were necessary and insisted they be funded.
Thanks parody. Waste can never end by government. You made my point for me. Yet when someone wants to you claim they have to love waste to another department.
I would suggest that the 'Trump business model' hasn't been tried and the 'Harris business model' has been failing for several generations now.
>Borrow to max and get out before the bills come due.
So . . . the standard way to run the federal government? You're complaining that Trump might run it like Harris will, Biden, Obama, Bush, etc did?
I am complaining that Trump would do far worse.
He won’t. You’re an idiot.
And Mexico will pay for the wall !
And we will bring back coal !
And we will repeal Obamacare !
*eye roll*
Stuff your TDS up your ass, scumbag and then FOAD.
Cope more and keep wearing your sheep-goggles.
And so when we think about the significance of what this next generation of leadership looks like where I would be elected president, it is about, frankly– I, I, I love the American people and I, I believe in our country. I, I love that it was our character and nature to be an ambitious people. You know, we have aspirations, we have dreams, we have incredible work ethic, and, and I just believe that we can create and, and build upon the success we’ve achieved in a way that we continue to grow opportunity and, in that way, growth strength of our nation.
I like the cut of your jibe.
Hey, Lancaster.
If you're a real libertarian, then why are you against a tax deduction...or maybe you're just a democrat pretending to be a libertarian.
Trump’s brilliant plan to make car payments tax deductible….
Only to be outdone by a previous tax change that doubles the standard tax deduction that was signed into law by… checks notes….. DJT.
Womp womp
(Edit -- this comment was meant to be a post, not a reply. My bad. Hmm, there might be a bug in the system)
We got a bug in the electrical system!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ft_0kdbwaA4
Its gonna be fun, next week when Harris adopts these same policy positions, to see Reason completely fail to call her out on it.
I miss his De-Regulation and Cut-the-Gov campaigning.
...
How many ways do HyR bloggers have in their bag to say they like a policy, but not when Trump promotes it, because they don't like his style?
And then go entirely silent when it comes to "two weeks to flatten the curve". It's the same BS as with voter ID. The opposition's idea has to be slow walked on the chance it's tangentially racist as judged by the people who think black people are too dumb to get to the DM, but when it comes to upending long standing election security rules at the last minute and in a manner that doesn't really help the 'flatten the curve', then, who gives a shit what the race of any disenfranchised voters are?
Simple, Trump is not applying the necessary consideration. We saw this with so many actions in his Presidency. He makes a mess and then leaves others to clean it up.
OK, just the interest on a car loan, as a deduction you have to wait until next year to take, only for the few left who actually itemize deductions.
I doubt the actual impact on the federal budget would survive rounding.
Say a 50K loan at 9% is $4,500/yr in interest, and the taxes on that amount would most likely be in the 'Trump tax cut' rate of 24%. So about $1,125 loss to the treasury for each person able to buy a new car who also itemizes deductions.
Got bored, looked up the interest on the debt.
3 billion per day.
So $1,125 or less per interest deductible car loan is so small my calculator won't even register it.
On net, paying lower and fewer taxes is a good thing
Except when it’s those filthy Republicans suggesting it, right Joe?
Seriously, you’re supposed to be a libertarian. If you hear the words, “I propose a tax cut/deduction on…” they don’t even need to finish the sentence. Just say, “Yea, I’m for it. 100%.”
It’s like you don’t want it, and then scramble to piece together some argument why it wouldn’t be “helpful.” At which point you have to ask yourself, “Am I a democrat instead of a libertarian? Maybe cosplaying a libertarian, when really I'm just a marxist?”
On net, paying lower and fewer taxes is a good thing
So we all agree, this is a good proposal?
The real free enterprise/ supply side candidate is Harris. Her proposal to increase the deduction for small business start ups shows she understands small business is the backbone of our economy , the source of innovation and a way to increase supply and therefore competition, thereby keeping prices in check. Trump’s plan of State imposed tariffs and employee kidnapping by the State will ignite inflation, close businesses, and increase monopolies that are in cahoots with the Trump State. Trump will kill the free enterprise system and create a State controlled economy that pays tribute to the Trump organization as he fuses his organization to the state just like he did with the GOP. It is almost as if Trump is the dictator of the proletariat predicted by Marx.
A majority of economists believe former President Donald Trump’s proposed economic policies would lead to higher inflation than those of Vice President Kamala Harris, according to a survey published Monday by the Wall Street Journal, findings which go against a far stronger inflation record under Trump than Joe Biden......Economists find both Trump’s economic plans, which include corporate tax cuts and an elimination of Social Security income taxes, and Harris’, which include $6,000 child tax credits and $25,000 in down payment assistance for first-time home buyers, would increase the federal deficit, which could further drive up inflation. The University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School of Business found Trump’s proposals would drive up the federal deficit by $4.1 trillion compared to $2 trillion by Harris plans.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/14/two-thirds-of-economists-think-inflation-would-be-worse-under-trump-than-harris-poll-finds/