Democrats Refusing To Say They'd Accept a Trump Victory Aren't Helping
It's fundamentally different from what Republicans have tried to do, but similar enough to be worrisome.

Former President Donald Trump's refusal to accept the results of the 2020 election and Sen. J.D. Vance's (R–Ohio) signaling that he'd have gone along with Trump's efforts to reverse the outcome are both reprehensible and undemocratic. Democrats have rightfully used that behavior to make the case that Trump and Vance ought not to be trusted with the awesome powers of the executive branch.
But you know what doesn't help to make that argument stick? Democrats also refusing to give clear answers about whether they would accept the results of an election.
Rep. Jamie Raskin (D–Md.), the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, told Axios that he would accept the results of the election if Trump "won a free, fair, and honest" race—then added that he "definitely" doesn't assume an apparent Trump victory would meet that standard.
Other Democrats have offered similarly waffling responses, though they have stopped short of openly suggesting that a Trump victory could be subject to objections during the certification process, as Axios notes.
In the same vein, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) made headlines earlier this week for saying that the Electoral College "needs to go" and that the national popular vote should determine the outcome of a presidential election. Walz has since walked back those remarks.
Anyone, including vice presidential candidates, has a right to express their opinions about the basic structure of America's elections, of course. But Walz's criticism of the proper constitutional mechanism for selecting a president sits awkwardly alongside the Democratic Party's attempt to portray this election as a stand against Trump's and Vance's disregard for that same constitutional process.
That's not to suggest an equivalence here. Trump's behavior (and that of his allies) in the wake of the 2020 election goes well beyond anything that Democrats have said or done within this same space—and that includes other indefensible behavior like Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacy Abram's unwillingness to accept her defeat in 2018. It is truly remarkable and telling that a question as simple as "Who won the 2020 election?" is regarded as a "gotcha" question by leading Republicans like Speaker of the House Mike Johnson (R–La.).
As an aside: Has Vice President Kamala Harris said whether she would accept the results of the election? She is the sitting vice president, which means she would step into the role Mike Pence played after the 2020 election and would oversee the certification process that confirms a possible Trump win. Her views on that seem kind of important. Polling shows that most Americans believe she would accept the results, but I cannot find an example of her being asked directly about that possibility.
Regardless, this shouldn't be difficult for Democrats! If someone asks, "Will you accept the results of this election?" the answer is simple: "Yes."
That's how it works. If you don't accept the possibility of losing, don't play the game—and make room for better candidates and officials who will respect the Constitution.
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>It's fundamentally different from what Republicans have tried to do
No. It isn't.
Well, Eric & Reason, what do you expect?
When someone cheats and still loses, they might not accept the outcome. Boehm fact checked as needs more context.
It is when there's a (D) after the name.
Yes it is.
Note: My claim is as valid an "argument" as yours.
That said, my reason is totally different than yours. The difference is that in 2020, the Republicans actually believed the Electoral Votes were illegitimate and asked states to recertfy the results in each state. What is being suggested in 2024 is Democrats refusing to accept results, even if they KNOW they are legitimate.
Democrats weren’t very accepting of the 2016 results. The difference was that we have a democrat compliant media that downplays the rioting, raging, murders, etc, of democrats, and massively exaggerates any wrongdoing by republicans. Also, the federal apparatus has been compromised by Marxist democrat traitors.
Should Trump prevail, the Democrats will likely riot on a level that will make the 2020 democrat George Floyd riots look like Woodstock.
Remember as CNN reported, they were mostly peaceful but fiery riots.
Nancy Pelosi
@SpeakerPelosi
Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts.
12:44 PM · May 16, 2017
https://x.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/864522009048494080
2016 "Protest groups from both coasts told BuzzFeed News they've formed an alliance under the name #NotMyPresident, aimed at pressuring the Electoral College to vote for an alternative candidate when it meets on Dec. 19.
"On November 8th, 2016, the 2016 United States presidential election was held across the 50 states and the District of Columbia. As the election results came in, Trump came out ahead in several key swing states, much to the surprise of forecasts and projections favoring rival Hillary Clinton. As the evening progressed, Trump's critics began tweeting their disapproval of his candidacy along with the hashtag"#NotMyPresident
"On January 19th, Vox[23] reported that Google search queries for "protest inauguration" had eclipsed queries for "attend inauguration." That evening, an anti-Trump protest was held in New York City on the eve of Trump's inauguration, which was attended by celebrities Michael Moore, Alec Baldwin and Robert DeNiro (shown below, left). Meanwhile, Fox News broadcast an interview with a child protester in Washington, D.C., who admitted to starting a fire to say "screw our President" (shown below, right). Within 24 hours, the video accumulated more than 5.9 million views, 75,000 shares and 66,000 reactions on Facebook.
"On the Internet, a number of online lobbying campaigns were launched in an attempt to prevent Donald Trump from being inaugurated in Janaury 2017, most notably the Change.org petition[12] urging the members of the Electoral College to ignore their states' electoral votes and honor the popular vote instead by electing Hillary Clinton. Started by Elijah Berg of North Carolina on November 10th, the petition garnered upwards of 2.59 million signatures within the first 24 hours, and by its fifth day, it had accrued more than four million signatures. Other notable petitions on the site[16] include "Impeach Donald Trump,"[17] pleading the U.S. Congress to challenge the president-elect upon him taking the office
This is actually refusing to accept election results as it occurred AFTER congressional acceptance.
Technically, Trump’s chalking voting results is not the same as refusing to accept the congressional determination of the election.
The 2020 "summer of love" might be hard to top if for no other reason than the people taking to the streets after George Floyd had mostly been essentially on house arrest for the previous 10-12 weeks, especially in Dem-run cities/counties where the initial "six weeks to flatten the curve" got officially extended around day three. In CA, some parks, beaches and businesses were allowed to re-open for a few weeks in June until the inevitable "surge" led to a re-institution of the lock-downs and announcement that they'd be maintained indefinitely.
You're acting like this is new for Democrats.
In 2001, 2005 and 2017, Democratic Representatives and, in 2005, Senators, voted against accepting the Electoral College tally. Thus, every Republican president since George H. W. Bush has seen the Democrats vote against accepting the legitimacy of his election.
In January 2017, after Trump’s win, House Democrats objected to certifying the election results in 9 states. About 70 House Democrats boycotted Trump’s inauguration because they said it was fraudulent election.
And all this got immediately memory holed after Trump had the temerity to suggest doing the same thing, but they’ll do it again if he manages to somehow get past the margin of fraud.
This sort of shit happens, literally, every election cycle. Always. Has been happening my whole life.
You have to have an election like Reagan Mondale before nobody complains about results.
I very specifically remember around 2008 when friends -- actual people I know, but who are Democrat-no-matter-who types -- were big on all the talking points about how Republicans were trying to game the vote, voter fraud, etc before an election. It was THE democrat talking point that year, pretty much trying to bury the lede, which is the Democrats long history of voter fraud ranging from mob fixing to the dead rising up to vote in Chicago, to Tammany Hall.
After 2000 there was a constant wailing amongst the same Democrats that the election was rigged, the supreme court was no longer legitimate, "Not my president", etc. It was overshadowed by 9/11 and memory holed, but it definitely happened. 2004 got complaints from the same crowd because Dan Rather got caught trying to October Surprise Bush and it all got spun as though the dirty tricks were played by Republicans on Dan Rather, that the election was illegitimate, etc.
Of course, StephenF, aka Bohm's Sock Puppet, knows this and is simply being willful to make internet points.
Republicans aren't clean. Democrats definitely aren't clean. American politics in the 2 party system is, and always has been, the land of the dirty trickster and the denier, but since the Pelosi era the Democrats have been a "My way or burn it all to the ground" party, spending endless effort to destroy the opponent they didn't deem legitimate by any means necessary. It is actually WORSE than Trump, he never bothered to persecute the political enemies when he was in office. Anyone who denies how dirty and partisan modern Washington is is obviously being willful, else they'd be too stupid to imagine.
All memory holed.
Just like how the DC inauguration day riots in 2017 made J6 look like a kids birthday party.
Or the riots in D.C. several months before the inauguration which resulted in millions in damages, where even a church was set ablaze.
How many arrested and prosecuted?
Seattle?
Minneapolis?
Portland?
Not only memory-holed, but all charges dropped. The "accused" credit their widespread coordination and "solidarity" (including all dressing alike which could have been spun by prosecutors into both proof of pre-meditation and a larger conspiracy, but wasn't).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/government-drops-charges-against-all-inauguration-protesters-n889531
Meanwhile, the TDS/MSM narriative on J6/21 is still that the hundreds of people charged and sentenced (mostly having been strong-armed by prosecutors into accepting plea deals) in relation to J6 were all in on some kind of greater plan despite the FBI's own reports that only a couple of individual groups (amounting to maybe a couple dozen participants in the riot) went to DC with any intention of making any kind of approach at the Capitol building, and no meaningful plan as far as what to do if they happened to get inside.
I don't remember anyone initially calling the 1980 election illegitimate (I was 6 at the time and not particularly interested in the news, though). I do remember that the Dems spent well into the mid-90s trying to make as much hay from "Iran-Contra"; which I think might have actually been two different bits of misbehavior since the money that funded arming the Contra-Sandinista fighters was apparently actually coming from CIA cocaine trafficking operations, and the early 1980s would have been a strange time for the US to be selling anything to the freshly minted Iranian theocracy, but the ultimate goal was to discredit anyone and everyone with any connection to the Reagan administration well into the time when it was pretty clear that Bill Clinton was very hard to beat electorally (the "women's movement" took a selectively different view of sexual predators in positions of power back then).
Making more excuses for whatever Democrats do. It’s getting kinda usual and depressing.
It's (D)ifferent.
What a shock!
Democrats will do in 2024 what they have done for every election they lost since the great Florida catastrophe of 2000.
Look, those butterfly ballots had me voting for Pat Buchanan. The Founders never intended for that.
Let's go back to the gentler time of 2016 when Hollywood pleaded with electors to follow their hearts and not their states and the outgoing administration wiretapped the incoming administration.
I would rather go back to McCarthyism, and destroy all the Marxists this time.
Joe McCarthy was right.
We are seeing the results of the neo-Marxist take over.
Senator McCarthy was an American hero.
Given half a chance, Adam Schiff will happily re-institute a version of McCarthyism, but it's not going to be targeting Marxists (whose belief in that ideology is as protected under 1A as it is destructive, if you ask me) this time around. Also there won't be anyone in the media with the standing of a Walter Cronkite to call him out on the fundamental lack of decency that such craven authoritarianism requires.
It goes back even further than that. The Democrats have claimed some sort of foul play in almost every Republican presidential victory since 1972. The lone exception was 1984 a 49 state landslide. And there are rumors that there was fraud in that election as well (in Minnesota giving Mondale the victory there and preventing a clean sweep of all 50 states)
Democrats claimed foul play in 1984. They just knew they couldn't convince may people of ENOUGH fraud to produce a 49 state landslide.
Nixon sued Texas after JFK whipped his lying ass.
"JFK whipped his lying ass"
Wait, what? The 1960 nailbiter?
The election where Kennedy carried 22 states and Nixon 26? Where Kennedy got 49.72% of the popular vote and Nixon 49.55%?
That's a whipping?
It is to a stupid hippie sack of shit like Hank.
Is that the one where the Chicago mob basically won it for him? Or felt they did?
So what did Nixon gain out of all that? Eventually he had his turn as President and see what that got him.
"If H2O is still water and g-a-t-e is still gate
what we're dealing in is the Watergate Blues......
Let me dial that number....
click!
whirrrr
click!
"Im sorry, the government you have elected is inoperative"....
Watergate Blues/ Gil Scott-heron
Since 1856 . . .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Charles_Sumner
That’s not to suggest an equivalence here. Trump’s behavior (and that of his allies) in the wake of the 2020 election goes well beyond anything that Democrats have said or done within this same space
Such as? Asking for Gore, Jeffries, Hillary, etc.
In fact most libertarians would argue multiple impeachment attempts and sending the FBI after a sitting president over the false Steele documents is worse than petitioning government through courts.
Let alone the bullshit around Jack Smith that even the fucking new york times is questioning.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/opinion/jack-smith-trump-biden.html
Yeah, I too am getting sick of the pro forma “but Trump is the worst!” disclaimers. It’s a joke at this point.
Just consider it as projection. The Dems are using Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals as a guide book.
There is a chance the nation will go to war with itself over this. The last time there was this much of a fundamental divide, that is what occurred.
On the plus side, it would be a real opportunity to cleanse America of the Marxists (democrats).
Hack.
Huge fucking hack.
My series of "if/then" scenarios that should happen if Trump is declared president:
If number 1: If Trump's felony convictions are upheld, he would be forced to resign or be impeached.
If number 2: If Trump is removed, Vice President JD Vance would become president.
If number 3: If Vance becomes president, he should resign too, given that he benefited from Trump's phony assassination attempt.
If number 4: If Vance resigns before appointing a vice president, Mike Johnson would become president.
If number 5: If Johnson becomes president, he should do the right thing and choose Harris for vice president. Then he should resign.
What a tangled web of nonsense.
You've got a Republican house impeaching a sitting President over a conviction for a crime that has yet to be proven? (A conviction isn't proof of the crime.)
Trump has the right to appeal any conviction up to, and including, SCOTUS.
Whooooosh
Just FYI, fist is well known for his sarcastic wit. Best to read his comments as the opposite of the message he seeks to communicate.
I remember the days OBL used to ruffle the feathers of passersby not understanding the sarcasm. I hope Sandy writes at Babylon Bee.
I didn't know it a few hours ago when I wrote that, but it turns out in the early days of Trump's term Harvard professor Lawrence Lessig wrote something comparable about getting Hillary Clinton into office. But any similarity to my comment today is COINCIDENCE.
Poe's Law is dead.
I remember reading that.
Presumably this is just rebooting this Newsweek article from some years back.
https://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-president-trump-russia-probe-lawrence-lessig-784081
"If Trump did conspire with Russia, the president "should resign, or, if he doesn't, he should be impeached," Lessig wrote in his essay. Vice President Mike Pence would also have to either resign or get impeached, which would make House Speaker Paul Ryan the president of the United States, Lessig wrote at the time.
Given that there is "no mechanism in American law for a new election," nor "a mechanism for correcting the criminal results of the previous election," Ryan ought to nominate "the person defeated by the treason of his own party, and then step aside, and let her become President," Lessig went on to say.
I suggest you refrain from using drugs for a while.
On the other hand there are some I would suggest: Thorazine maybe.
So, it's just impossible for any election to be stolen, ever? Good to know, I guess.
Except Venezuela.
Late arrival votes looked near identical to another super clean election.
We aren't supposed to notice that.
That graph couldn’t look anymore totalitarian if it was emblazoned with a swastika.
Except Detroit.
Is this 'not go along with it' like they didn't in 2016, or 'not go along with it' like they might not in 2024?
Like this? https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/worlds-greatest-persuader/
Hank is linking to his kook website. With lots of cool stuff about GOP infiltrators, stolen planks, and mystical girl bulliers.
And all the political paradigms of 1975 still apply.
Oddly enough, I just recounted this anecdote with another poster on another article just minutes ago:
The other day I was in DC and I was walking along and there was this horrible smell and it grew stronger as I walked along and luckily I had a Stink-O-Meter on me. The stench signal was getting stronger and stronger – it registered as “100 percent likeness of bubbling, outgassing diarrhea” – and I finally had to hold a wet rag over my face to avoid being overwhelmed but I trod on, and when I finally reached the source it was a man in a gray suit. I followed him a ways and when I could stand it no more I shouted, “Hey YOU!” And he turned… And it was Jamie Raskin.
Now, some asshole is probably going to come along with a similar story about Donald Trump or JD Vance at which point I will demand the model and serial number of his Stink-O-Meter, the range setting he was using and a screenshot of the display. When he fails to do so I will simply say, "Yeah, I though as much."
Some people have no fucking shame.
Sold my stink-O-meter on eBay as is. Walked past Kamala and it burned a hole in my best suit. Out of warranty of course.
"Democrats Refusing To Say They'd Accept a Trump Victory Aren't Helping."
...which probably has all the leftist vermin's approval here at Reason.
I sure that Pedo Jeffy is at full mast, at least somewhere within his voluminous folds of blubber.
An odd thought..,… if Jeffy were immolated, would it:
1. Reek worse than a dumpster fire outside of a cystic fibrosis clinic
2. Reek worse than SQRLSY’s rotting corpse slathered in a pile of SQRLSY’s preferred ‘food’.
3. Reek worse than Sarcasmic after being passed out in a pool of vomit and every bodily fluid after basking for over eight hours in the hot sun.
4. Reek worse than two garbage cans fucking.
5. Reek worse than all of the above.
I always imagined that when Jeff has exhausted the internal rage that fuels his black heart, his core becomes unstable and gravitationally collapses inward upon itself, and Jeff’s outer layers are blown away. The crushing weight of constituent matter falling in from all sides compresses Jeff to a point of zero volume and infinite density called the sarcularity.
I hadn’t considered that. I just assumed that either his bock heart would fail due to his morbid obesity, or alternately that he would be burned at the stake for his Marxism/pedophilia.
That Jeffy could collapse into a sarcularity is somewhat plausible. So we better burn him at the stake right away, just to be safe. Or maybe the JeffSarc will spontaneously immolate during their coupling as a result of the flammability risk from Sarc’s extreme BAC.
This has been one of my favorite back and forth replies in the last few weeks.
Good work.
And it bears further study. In trunks.
'It's fundamentally (D)ifferent from what Republicans have tried to do, but similar enough to be worrisome.'
FOAD, Boehm.
If Trump wins the Electoral vote but not the popular vote, the Democrats will become unbearable.
They will procedurally challenge every states results, and eventually Harris may be tempted to accept a challenge and overturn the election - slim possibility, but it exists.
The day after the election, Wednesday, Democrats will go out in the street and relive the George Floyd riots, and governors like Walz will sit back and wallow in the smell of burning tires.
All but one news channel will proclaim the end of democracy, and one news channel will document all the self-harm democrats endure.
There will likely be assassination attempts (plural) between Election Day and Inauguration Day.
And Republicans will sit back and enjoy their popcorn, watching half the country melt down.
I will be honest. We will survive either a Trump or Harris presidency. We might not survive a contested election.
My hope and prayer is for a landside.
We will not survive a Harris presidency. Given how unstable things are now, she will likely cause WW3 within a single term.
We’re not far off of that now.
About 1 year past due, according to my Gen X worldview.
Same.
I don’t think America will survive either presidency.
If Harris wins, free speech and the constitution are toast. The process of replacing the electorate will accelerate, the SC will be stacked or ignored, X and Elon will be dealt with.
If Trump wins the FBI will arrest Trump for some exciting new reason, the Democrats will refuse to ratify, the Biden administration will refuse to leave the Whitehouse, the SCJs will be sidelined, the Joint Chiefs will ignore Mike Johnson and line up behind President pro tempore of the Senate, Patty Murray, she will abdicate her position to Secretary of State Antony Blinken, various red state governors will lose their shit, promptly being dubbed traitors and rebels by the blue.
I doubt the left is willing to go that far, especially if Trump gets the votes that now look likely.
Not that the left wouldn't love to go that far...
It's not the "left".
There's far too many high-ranked swamp animals who went far too far in the last ten years and have done some incredibly illegal shit. Especially in the FBI and DHS.
And it won't just be the Democrats refusing to ratify. The GOPe and the BBB Republicans will be enabling them every chance that they get. The fact that the entire Bush administration just came out publicly for Kamala shouldn't be ignored.
Of course this is only if Trump sails past the fraud factor and they fail to kill him before January.
And that's why I hope for a landslide. A vote so overwhelming no one can challenge it and the dirty tricks won't happen since they are afraid of an overwhelming rejection
At the very least America will not survive another four years of Obama/ White House team and their incompetent meddling in everything.
The economy will collapse and then SHTF.
We have one maybe two years if Harris/Walz are installed in the White House.
After that, all bets are off.
Predictions, ballgazing... None of the girl-bullying MAGA prohibitionists here mention that the Dems OUTSPENT God's Own Prohibitionists by 3 to 1 after the Suprema Corte said Wallace States could equivocate pregnant women into Siamese twins to strip them of individual rights. BTW, the Comstockist party STILL wants to shoot kids over plant leaves. The Dems understand that Drumpf slipped in thanks to Dem dereliction on rights plus Gary's 4M votes reshuffling 127 electoral votes. They evolved while the Republican Jesus Party turned the LP into a Monkey Trial.
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He would if he knew what he said.
that made me chuckle… reminiscent of Trump during the Trump\Biden debate
You should check out Hank’s website.
https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/
Hank’s inane hippie babbling abounds.
He squeals about "Jesus caucus Republicans" with a picture of RFK Jr. to illustrate his point.
Goddamn. Someone ought to reach out to his family and make sure he’s forcibly institutionalized.
"The day after the election, Wednesday"
I doubt the election will be decided by Wednesday. When 12:01 AM ET struck on Wednesday in 2020, Trump's betting market chances were in the high 80%.
And somehow questioning the eventual outcome was seen as "beyond the pale."
How did the betting markets get it wrong?
The advertised shadow campaign behind the scenes bragged about in Time magazine.
I don't believe the markets understood that the number of total votes cast would go up 16% despite population only increasing by 2%. So by late evening election night, there simply weren't enough outstanding votes for Biden to make up the current margin in states like Pennsylvania and Georgia. Biden won Pennsylvania and Georgia.
Now, it's possible that the massive increase in mail in ballots simply allowed a far greater share of legitimate votes to be cast by making it easier to vote. But you can't exactly blame people for wanting that sort of thing to be looked into. That sudden spike in total votes cast is definitionally a "voting irregularity." And Biden's advantage in mail-in balloting in Pennsylvania was 78% to 21%.
Biden vote of late night Pennsylvania ballots was 95 to 5. Before about 10 pm the splits were 60ish 40ish.
Using even the early evening spread there weren't enough votes to overcome the in person votes. Somehow those midnight votes were enough.
Yes…… “somehow’………
*raises hand* pick me pick me, I know
Almost as if they were enough by design.
You know what would have been crazy? If the Republicans in the legislature in Pennsylvania had allowed the mail-in votes to be counted early, instead of forcing them to be counted on election day. Then, whatever votes were there would not have been a "late night spike," they just would have been...votes. But if that had happened, then that would have taken away the possibility, or, as I see it, the opportunity to create the appearance, of nefarious black-cloaked Illuminati types rushing truckloads of fake ballots out to be counted when Biden's numbers were sagging,
Anyone with half a brain knew that with Biden's campaign encouraging mail-in voting and Trump's discouraging it, there would be a surge in Biden votes once the mail-in votes got counted.
At the least, we should have been told how many mail-in ballots needed to be counted. Add in this weird situation where Philly area precincts keep getting above 95% election turnout and some even going over 100%. Too much going on with nothing to establish any veracity.
Fortification.
Suuuure they were....
If you say it even slower it might become true.
On Wednesday morning, Trump was still up 700,000 votes in Pennsylvania. At 10 PM on Wednesday he was still up 200,000 votes. The final vote tally had Biden winning by 80,000 votes. Biden had a roughly 80/20 advantage over Trump in mail-in ballots. 2.7 million mail in ballots were cast in 2020 in Pennsylvania. 267,000 were cast in 2016. More than 1 million more total votes were cast in Pennsylvania in 2020 than were cast in 2016. Feel free to look all of that up.
And as mentioned, the Democratic party essentially bragged about their efforts on this front in a later Time magazine article. They lose Pennsylvania without these extraordinary efforts with regards to mail-in balloting, by their own admission.
Detroit has it down, pat. Just remove all the Republican election observers from the building. Anyone who objected was arrested.
Raskin's already stated, on camera, that the Democrats will provoke a civil war to keep Trump from taking office. I'd say the line's been drawn at this point, and if the 2 am ballot dump or weeks of finding ballots in car trunks, Public Storage spaces, and janitor closets doesn't work, it's going to be game on at that point.
Expect things to get really spicy, because GOP election monitors are going to be watching for any reindeer games and refuse to go along with delaying tactics like "water main breaks" and fire alarms.
Boehm is wrong about boef sidez.
Does anyone actually know what the Democrats did to win the 2020 election? Did they remove Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate from the ballot in several states ? Did they tell Kanye West that he had gotten his paperwork in on time and then afterwards told him that he was 15 seconds late? Did they urge judges and governors to change voting laws in defiance of the constitutional requirement that this be done by state legislatures?
The legality of these actions was clearly questionable, unlike the Zuck-Bucks scandal that was completely legal although now, it wouldn't be.
The answer is that the Democrats will not accept a Trump election and they will do whatever is necessary to prevent him from taking office. Sentence him to jail, seize his wealth, deny appeals and a shutdown of all "hate" speech by Trump's supporters have been suggested by those who want to "protect our Democracy". Will that lead to a declaration of martial law, suspension of habeas corpus? No one thought that what happened in Canada would happen. Are we that much different?
HL Mencken suspected that Bryan actually won the presidency on one of his tries. Indeed, Little Baron Trump was conjured up by Ingersoll Lockwood, the same author who predicted that the 1900 election would be the LAST US election. Later, Christian National Socialist leader Wilhelm Frick predicted (correctly-for a while) in Dresden that the March 1933 election would be Germany's last.
You don't seem to realize that the National Socialists were one-eyed-goat worshipping neopagans like you, who banned Christmas and enacted Kirchenkampf.
Up until now, there were no free elections in Germany. That is until the AFD won a number of seats and the CIA is now ramping up their proxies in Germany to actually outlaw the AFD.
Well, the Canucks are perfectly fine folks, even the French ones. They also still have the British monarchy on their coins and even written into their constitution. Americans are a different breed, entirely, even still.
The Americans elect their monarch every four years, or they used to anyway.
Now it is just a few of them that make that decision.
The word "Russia" did not appear in the article.
Just like Betelgeuse, ya gotta say it three times for it to work ...
And use the Jan Brady voice "Russia, Russia, Russia!"
It is truly remarkable and telling that a question as simple as “Who won the 2020 election?” is regarded as a “gotcha” question by leading Republicans like Speaker of the House Mike Johnson (R–La.).
Nothing remarkable about a religious organization using questions of faith to root unbelievers out of the fold.
MORE: "A Religious Orgy In Tennessee," by HL Mencken. The book proves that mystical bigots have not evolved at all in the century since the Dayton Monkey Trial. Half the MAGAt sockpuppets here halve walk-on roles in the book--available on Amazon including a Kindle version.
Speaking of mystical bigots, HL Mencken was a hate filled racist and a elitist snob who advocated some virulently anti-libertarian positions.
In his 1918 introduction to Nietzsche's 'The Anti-Christ' he wrote that "The case against the Jews is long and damning; it would justify ten thousand times as many pogroms as now go on in the world".
Christopher Hitchens described Mencken as a German nationalist, "an antihumanist as much as an atheist", who was "prone to the hyperbole and sensationalism he distrusted in others". Hitchens also criticized Mencken for writing a scathing critique of Franklin Delano Roosevelt but nothing equally negative of Adolf Hitler.
Mencken defended evolution at Scopes because it fit his belief that blacks were an earlier subhuman form.
As for hard science he spoke unfavorably of many prominent physicists and had little regard for pure mathematics and theoretical physics. Elsewhere, he dismissed higher mathematics and probability theory as "nonsense", after he read Angoff's article for Charles Sanders Peirce in the American Mercury: "So you believe in that garbage, too—theories of knowledge, infinity, laws of probability. I can make no sense of it, and I don't believe you can either, and I don't think your god Peirce knew what he was talking about.
Mencken repeatedly identified mathematics with metaphysics and theology. According to Mencken, mathematics is necessarily infected with metaphysics. Mathematicians tend to engage in metaphysical speculation.
Mencken wrote a review of Sir James Jeans's book, The Mysterious Universe, in which Mencken wrote that mathematics is not necessary for physics. Mencken ridiculed Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity, believing that "in the long run his curved space may be classed with the psychosomatic bumps of Gall and Spurzheim".
Finally here is a link to an article in the LA Times that sums Mencken up: "Mencken Was Pro-Nazi, His Diary Shows"
Considering how they shit themselves in 2016, anything is fair game for Team Blue. Expect Antifa to trash and burn stuff in major cities and talk of secession, only this time will be for real.
Well, in blue cities. TJ’s doesn’t work out so well where I live. Although now we have a commie mayor who might let them run wild. At least that would guarantee she doesn’t get reelected. Not that Spokane has a great track record with incumbent mayors anyway.
So the Vice President up for election wants to STEAL the election by UN-Constitutionally changing it to a popular vote????
...but Democrats would never ever ever CHEAT to win in 2020 huh?
FFS; They literally have a CHEAT the ELECTION champion at the top of their ballot.
Here's the thing. The accusations in 2020 would eliminate any such statement. After all, no one can or should accept an election we know to be illegitimate. So this is a gotcha over nothing.
And this is a far cry from stating that even if the opponent clearly won, they would still not accept it.
So Tilden didn't win the popular or electoral vote?
You're right Eric, it is (D)ifferent.
Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’: ‘We Still Don’t Know What Really Happened’
“There was a widespread understanding that this election [in 2016] was not on the level,” Clinton said during an interview for the latest episode of The Atlantic’s politics podcast, The Ticket. “We still don’t know what really happened.”
“There’s just a lot that I think will be revealed. History will discover,” the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential nominee continued. “But you don’t win by 3 million votes and have all this other shenanigans and stuff going on and not come away with an idea like, ‘Whoa, something’s not right here.’ That was a deep sense of unease.”
Trump "knows he’s an illegitimate president," Clinton said. "I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did … I know he knows this wasn’t on the level."
In a tortured result of "Half True", Politicat digs a pretty deep hole for Democrats, but says "but they didn't *really* challenge the election."
Glenn Youngkin
stated on September 21, 2022 in a news conference.:
“In 2016, Democrats suggested that the election was stolen.”
"HALF-TRUE"
It’s important to point out, however, that the Democrats did not question the actual counting of ballots in 2016, as Youngkin’s statement implies, or that Trump won the election.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/oct/05/glenn-youngkin/did-democrats-suggest-2016-presidential-election-w/
Jimmy Carter
In June 2019, Jimmy Carter, the former Democratic president, said, "There’s no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election, and I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated would show that Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election, and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf."
Bernie Sanders
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is an independent who has twice sought the Democratic presidential nomination. During an ABC interview in January 2017, he twice declined to say whether he thought Trump would be "a legitimate president."
"I think he’s going to be inaugurated this week," Sanders said. "I have great concerns, apparently Republicans do as well, and there’s going to be an investigation about the role that Russian hacking played in getting (Trump) elected."
John Lewis
The late Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., said in January 2017 he would not attend Trump’s inauguration. "I do not see this president-elect as a legitimate president," he told NBC. "I think there was a conspiracy on the part of the Russians and others that helped him get elected. That’s not right. That’s not fair. That’s not the open democratic process."
Jerry Nadler
Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., said in January 2017 that Trump was legally elected but an "illegitimate" president.
"He was legally elected," Nadler said. "But the Russians weighing in on the election, the Russian attempt to hack the election and, frankly, the FBI’s weighing in on the election make his election illegitimate. But he is the president."
Nadler’s reference to the FBI concerned then-FBI Director James Comey’s disclosure to Congress, 11 days before the 2016 election, that he was reopening an investigation into whether emails stored on Clinton’s personal computer contained classified information.
Maxine Waters
Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., was among seven House Democrats who raised futile objections to the Electoral College count by Congress in January 2017 that certified Trump’s victory. They tried to argue that the election was tainted by Russian interference and voter suppression. They were overruled because none of their objections had required support from a senator.
The last election we had that looked anything like a traditional one was 2016. We had an election day. Absentee and military ballots were minimal and subject to need not convenience. We had on the ground exit polling and had a result same day. Everybody should be suspicious of week long election days with unaudited votes counted behind closed doors in the middle of the night.
"Will you accept the results of the election?" is the very definition of a gotcha question because the only rational answer is "if it's a free and fair election, but I am no Nostradamus so I can't know that in advance."
As someone who has always had a job with an unforgiving schedule where voting on a specific day can be absolutely not possible, I really like extended voting in the form of additional days, early voting etc.
But its gotten more than accommodating. I have weeks to vote, numerous polling places, and its a state with no-excuse mail in absentee voting, despite the fact that its been demonized as a state that has made voting for minorities, apparently, the equivalent of an American Ninja Warrior gauntlet (if you listened to the media).
I would say at a minimum, there needs to be 2 days, one during the week, one on the weekend to not screw over people with inflexible schedules. Ideally, a good week or 2 of early voting with a rigorous ID verification process. I would do away with no excuse mail in voting as its clearly contentious and upends the whole process. If you want to vote, there are more than sufficient opportunities to do it in person while being vetted.
Oh, and it would probably make the most sense if the voter provided proof they are a net contributor to society in some way, whether that means paying some amount of actual taxes and not being a net taker from the system. Having 50% or more of the country as net takers will absolutely bring on the downfall of democracy, as we eventually just turn every election into a ever increasing one-upsmanship contest of who can spend the most of everyone elses money. Im not saying has to own property, but has to not be a straight up leech.
That part about taxes as a condition of voting would run into 24th Amendment. The rest of your post is good.
If we can have 6 weeks of drop off locations, make the clerks check the ID for every ballot dropped off. We don't need midnight boxes for drop off.
This response is so perfect. It completely illustrates how you all have become a bunch of narcissistic assholes. Since the ONLY reason you favor any flexibility in voting at all, is because you personally benefit from it due to your work schedule. Zero consideration for other potential voters who might have a work/family schedule that is even more demanding than yours. Zero consideration for others who might appreciate voting flexibility in other ways. Nope. For those people, early/mail in voting is "too accommodating". Well why isn't early voting "too accommodating" for you? Because you are ENTITLED to it. The other losers aren't.
The only reason you want "flexibility" is because you think it gives the Democrats a better chance of 'correcting' the results. It's the exact same reason why you oppose voter ID and hand counting, you totalitarian Nazi troll.
Blah blah blah more Jesse strawman stuffing arguments into my mouth. Note that you didn't even try to refute what I wrote, because you know it is true so instead of defending the indefensible you went on the attack. That is your MO, I have noticed.
You are a liar and a self-admitted Trump shill who lacks any modicum of intellectual integrity at all.
I have always supported voter ID and I challenge you to find even one time when I have supposedly argued against it. Since you do not hesitate to whip out the bookmarks when you think you can use them to embarrass me, I dare you to try. And when you fail to present any such bookmark, we will all know why. It is because you have lied your ass off yet again.
And it is your team that proudly wants to restrict the franchise because fewer people voting generally helps Team Red.
Jeff, everyone here knows who and what you are (even Sarc to some extent), so why bother lying about me, and why bother lying about it? Who do you imagine you're tricking?
It's not like you get fifty-cents for the off-topic ones.
Bears in trunks should be allowed to vote the following spring since they are likely already hibernating by election day.
Is Jeffy a trunk bear? Or is he whatever you call a morbidly obese twink?
Goddamn Fatfuck, you’ve really lost your shit. And ML is right. Quit pretending you aren’t a rabid leftist. No one believes you. So just admit that you’re a MAPedo activist and a neo Marxist globalist.
We might have the slightest bit of respect if you can be honest about it.
I have always supported voter ID and I challenge you to find even one time when I have supposedly argued against it.
LOL, yeah, you support voter ID when you don't have to waddle your fat ass into the DMV to prove your residency. Which means you don't actually support the concept, you're just a lazy fuck.
Seethe harder you fat bitch.
"Zero consideration for other potential voters who might have a work/family schedule that is even more demanding than yours."
There are very few people that this applies to, if at all. Just the nature of my work.
Looking at the spectrum from 1 election day, in person only, fuck you if you cant vote....to unlimited voting via the internet (yes I realize this is a strawman, and am using it solely to illustrate the opposite end of the spectrum)...the current system is already so much more than accommodating. If you cant find the time to vote on the MANY days available in person, then you are too lazy and dont deserve to participate. You have a good reason? Fine. Disabled and cant move? Fine. Overseas/military? Fine. You couldn't be bothered to go to the library on the 10 dates set up for you with minimal lines? You dont deserve to participate in democracy.
If its so much more accommodating than *I* need, then its accommodating for everyone, as there really aren't people with situations that trump my own. So its not so much as a "this specific thing is just for me" its more to illustrate that if its accommodating to me then it by nature will already include the rest of the population. And it is 1000x more accommodating than even I need.
"I have weeks to vote, numerous polling places, and its a state with no-excuse mail in absentee voting, despite the fact that its been demonized as a state that has made voting for minorities, apparently, the equivalent of an American Ninja Warrior gauntlet (if you listened to the media)."
Sounds a lot like Georgia.
I want every single person who is eligible to vote be able to do so if they choose to do so. At the same time, I want to be able to verify that each ballot cast is cast by an eligible voter, who is voting their own ballot, in the district in which they legally reside as citizens, and that they are voting once and only once. I want the counting methods to be repeatable and auditable, to help ensure that only valid ballots cast by actual eligible voters are counted. I want the people doing the counting (or running the counting machines) to be competent, honest, and impartial; or if there can be no such thing, at least have equal number of partisans working each step (sort of like solving the problem by "one of you gets to cut the cake, the other gets first pick", which tends to result in *precisely* even slices).
I don't know how you make a process that is completely 100% fool-proof and 100% secure, as much as we all want that. We can't.
But we should certainly *not* be advocating for things that are demonstrably weaker and less secure than the status quo, like mass-mail ballots with no signature checks. Things like day-of-election registration without marking such ballots as provisional until the registration can be verified. Things like saying voter ID requirements are racist, as if black people cannot manage to get an ID (and as if requiring ID to get a CCW permit is somehow not racist?). Every single thing (maybe hyperbole) someone proposes for making elections more secure is derided as racist and fought tooth and nail.
"I want every single person who is eligible to vote be able to do so if they choose to do so. At the same time, I want to be able to verify that each ballot cast is cast by an eligible voter, who is voting their own ballot, in the district in which they legally reside as citizens, and that they are voting once and only once."
This is the trade off that has to be weighed by rational people. One single day to vote in the middle of the work week is clearly overly restrictive and kind of bullshit. The opposite, where in theory you could vote at home from your computer with some sort of verification would be sus as fuck and not trustworthy. So we have to find a good middle ground.
Unlimited no excuse mail in voting IMO is too far toward the sketch side of the trade off. It not only is introducing multiple points of failure, but also gives off a very bad look with the "R is up by 100k votes, oops nevermind we just got 105k votes for D"
Simply adding some extra days in for early voting with rigorous standards for ID verification moves so far down the spectrum toward fairness and away from restriction that it really shouldn't even be a question. If you cant be bothered to show up at a polling place with your documents in order, you dont deserve to vote (with the obvious normal absentee exceptions, of course)
"The last election we had that looked anything like a traditional one was 2016", which Trump won and is why no return to any such traditional election will ever occur again. The GOP's only hope is to join in, and embrace the new chaos. If you're playing cards with a cheat, you gotta out-cheat them, unless you're ready to draw your sidearm.
If you are subject to the laws of the state, then you get to vote, whether you pay income tax or not, IMHO. As for voting: Election Day is a national holiday, and everybody has the day off except election workers. At 10 PM, the polls close and the bars open. If you have an "I voted" sticker, you get one free drink.
“If you are subject to the laws of the state, then you get to vote, whether you pay income tax or not, IMHO.”
Your opinion is NWS.
Put it this way, if you didn't get convicted of killing someone, you can vote?
Guessing we have a room-temp IQ here.
The Dems tried elector tampering, which not only failed but backfired. Then they copied the 1972 LP legalize it and pregnant women's rights planks and beat the bloody stool out of the christianofascist looters. Three States legalized after the Bush asset-forfeiture Crash, but another 14 plunked for legalization after Dems lost to 4.3M LP spoiler votes in 2016. Chase Oliver then whacked the GOP White Supremacist jn blackface out of the GA Senate race. Girl-enslaving Race Suicide referendums failed. So copying LP planks is winning. Infiltrating the LP with Jesus Nazis is losing.
I almost understood that. Good; the medication is starting to work.
Sounded like authentic frontier gibberish to me. I guess my medication hasn't kicked in yet.
"...make room for better candidates and officials who will respect the Constitution."
Nobody respects the Constitution. Everybody decides what it wants government to do or not do, then pretends that the Constitution agrees. For example, can you find any place in the Constitution that says that private ownership of nuclear bombs isn't protected under the Second Amendment? I can't, but I don't think people should own nukes.
"...Everybody decides what it wants government to do or not do, then pretends that the Constitution agrees..."
Projection from a grade-6 imbecilic shit. FOAD, asshole.
ITS (D)IFFERENT!!!!111!!
The mating cry of the reluctant and strategic.
I’ve toyed with the idea of developing a sitcom about Nick and the Gang at Reason. The scripts will practically right themselves.
Did they tip over or something?
The Constitution as written overtly endorsed chattel slavery. After decades of dispute and the loss of 650,000 lives, the Constitution was amended so as to outlaw the peculiar institution forever. Slavery was wrong, and so was the original Constitution. Anyone who looks into the Electoral College inevitably has questions about it, such as whether or not it was prescribed to protect the interests of the educated and propertied class. Why is it that we don't have electoral colleges determining the outcomes state and local elections? Was it simply a matter of logistics, of unusually complex mechanisms that would have been required to base presidential' elections on the popular vote? Was it an invention of those who had to balance the powers and rights of a strong central government against their firmly held belief in states' rights? In any case, the Electoral College, while not immoral as was slavery, is nevertheless a very old idea that very many people think is obsolete and should be reconsidered seriously and thoughtfully. After all, we amended the Constitution so as to provide for the direct election of United States senators within each state. Is the Electoral College so sacrosanct that we can't even have honest and open debate about it? I say no, it is not.
Perhaps, regardless of your whining, because the founders preferred a republic and imbecilic whiners like you prefer otherwise?
The US is a republic of states hence the absence of an electoral college for state elections.
“is nevertheless a very old idea that very many people think is obsolete and should be reconsidered seriously and thoughtfully”
Do you know how they elect the President of the EU and allocate the number of MEPs each member country gets?
"The apportionment of seats within the European Parliament to each member state of the European Union is set out by the EU treaties. According to European Union treaties, the distribution of seats is "degressively proportional" to the population of the member states, with negotiations and agreements between member states playing a role.[1] Thus the allocation of seats is not strictly proportional to the size of a state's population, nor does it reflect any other automatically triggered or fixed mathematical formula. The process can be compared to the composition of the electoral college used to elect the President of the United States of America in that, pro rata, the smaller state received more places in the electoral college than the more populous states.
Well let's just see what happens.
I guarantee however that if there is a riot on Jan 6 2025 by a bunch of Team Blue supporters interrupting the electoral college certification of a Trump victory, and trashing the Capitol, every single one of you will be calling it an insurrection and treason and demanding that every last one of them be thrown in prison for a long time.
FOAD, normal sheep of bleevers. Only slimy piles of lefty shit claim the protest to be otherwise.
Will it be ok to shoot those who trespass on public property?
Will Ray Epps be there?
The FBI will be busy planting pipe bombs in strategic places.
Another plot to kidnap Whitmer will be exposed and another dozen Michiganders will be blamed for it.
Maybe even the Watergate Hotel will be the scene of another such activity.
I'll use the same standard as I gave for 2016:
If your democracy cannot survive a candidate like Trump, then the system isn't worth defending on it's own merits.
The precedent has been set, that’s the new set of rules to be used. Hoping some of them get shot in the face, too, would be okay by those rules.
Turnabout is fair play.
"by a bunch of Team Blue supporters interrupting the electoral college certification of a Trump victory, and trashing the Capitol"
Would probably be limited pretty quickly. The people that stormed it on J6 would likely show back up, and actually bring their weapons instead of leaving them at home like they did at the protest that turned into an out of control riot.
The antifa soys that will ultimately do something of this nature in major cities, maybe the capital, have never actually been pushed back on. It would be over in about 15 minutes, and not pretty.
In 2017, Hillary Clinton supporters rioted at Trump's inauguration, setting fires to cars, and hundreds arrested.
But unlike Jan 6, prosecutors dropped charges against them all.
I see you're easily manipulated by idiot rightwing propaganda.
Are you claiming there were no riots at Trump's inauguration?
I'm trying to figure out if you're stupid or just a liar.
Like CNN?
Police injured, more than 200 arrested at Trump inauguration protests in DC
Gregory Krieg
By Gregory Krieg, CNN
7 minute read
Updated 4:06 AM EST, Sat January 21, 2017
https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
And ABCNews?
At Least 217 Arrested, Limo Torched Amid Trump Inauguration Day ...
Anti Trump protestors hurled rocks and other debris at the Starbuck's Cafe window as they ran through the streets, on Jan. 20, 2017, in Washington.
And NBC News?
More Than 200 Arrested in D.C. Protests on Inauguration Day - NBC News
02:02. WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump's Inauguration Day was marred by noisy demonstrations, shoving matches and sporadic clashes with cops that resulted in more than 200 arrests.
And what happened to them?
Government drops charges against all inauguration protesters - NBC News
WASHINGTON — Federal prosecutors on Friday moved to drop charges against the last 39 people accused of participating in a violent protest on the day of President Donald Trump's inauguration.
I see you're a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.
And still more proof of voter fraud and manipulation continues to be exposed to this day.
Detroit is an example of how bad it was.
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Democrats
Refusing To Say They'd Accept a Trump VictoryAren't HelpingFTFY
And for the record, for anyone who thinks I play favorites in the dumpster....
Republicans: "OK, I see the rake on the ground. Just.... go ahead and step on it. It'll probably be fine. ... Oof, OK, it wasn't fine, but try stepping on it again."
Democrats: "I am going to hit you over and over and over with a tire iron until I fracture your skull and give you brain damage, at which point you will turn to the camera, bleeding and incoherent, and say, 'It was really for the best of everyone.'".
I defy anyone to tell me different. Gauntlet thrown. Fight me.
Having spent years now minimizing MAGAt lies about the 2020 election, Reason is going to start fretting about Democrats not being willing to say they'll accept a Trump victory?
LOL, what minimization, you slack-jawed hicklib?
Learn to read, MAGAt.
Why waste time reading the posts of a TDS-addled steaming pile of lefty shit?
FOAD, asswipe.
"Trump's behavior (and that of his allies) in the wake of the 2020 election goes well beyond anything that Democrats have said or done within this same space"
Sometimes "Reason" writers are more unbiased and sometimes less so. Do I like Trump as a person or as a government official? Nope! Do I try to analyze the actions of politicians, looking for unconstitutional or illegal actions instead of slogans and political rhetoric? Yup. Do I try to avoid Trump Derangement Syndrome despite the fact that Trump makes that very difficult? Absolutely! If you put the unconstitutional laws, regulations and executive actions of all Republican politicians on one side of the balance over the last several decades; and those of all the Democrat politicians on the other side, the Democrats weigh in well in excess of the Republicans. Almost all of the dirty tricks the Republicans have been caught implementing, they learned from Democrat operatives. For every Jan 6 in recent history there have been dozens and dozens of Portlands and Seattles. For every panel of alternate electors filed in lawsuits by Trump supporters, there have been a dozen or more lawsuits and recounts challenging close elections in blue cities and states. And that doesn't even start to consider the dozens of unconstitutional laws and Federal executive departments imposed by Democratic majorities and Presidents and Supreme Court decisions over those decades. So not buying it, Boehm.
Our democracy has been slowly circling the drain for a very long time, and our republic went down the toilet long ago, a victim of increasingly unrestrained democracy. The end stages of that deterioration are accelerating as the stakes for our liberties and rights become more and more critical. I am becoming less and less optimistic that there are sensible citizens left who have the wherewithal to pull us back from the brink of crisis and chaos.
“ Former President Donald Trump's refusal to accept the results of the 2020 election…” fucking TDS asshats. Hillary Clinton does the same!
The Democrat party is no more. It is now a political entity that more closely resembles a neo-Marxist, albeit an Americanized version of Marxism that intends to create a weird version of communism in America.
They will no doubt, be using Orwell's 1984 as a guide book.
The Democrat party is the party of treason.
Democrats 2016 insurrection was just smaller “The states were counted, but three protestors started yelling from the visitors’ gallery of the chamber. ”
1:09 P.M. ET: Rep. Jim McGovern of Massachusetts rose to object to the certificate from Alabama.
“The electors were not lawfully certified, especially given the confirmed and illegal activities engaged by the government of Russia,” McGovern said.
Biden denied McGovern on the grounds that he didn’t have a senator’s signature on his written objection.
1:14 P.M.: Rep. Jamie Raskin of Maryland rose to object to 10 of Florida’s 29 electoral votes.
“They violated Florida’s prohibition against dual office holders,” Raskin said.
Again, despite the fact that Raskin pointed out that he had his objection in writing, he failed to get a senator’s signature.
1:15 P.M.: No sooner had the Florida question been settled than its neighbor to the north was the subject of another objection, when Washington’s Rep. Pramila Jayapal objected to Georgia’s vote certificate.
“It is over,” Biden told the congresswoman.
1:21 P.M.: Rep. Barbara Lee of California brought up voting machines and Russian hacking when she objected following the counting of Michigan’s votes.
“People are horrified by the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference in our election,” Lee said.
Once again, her objection was denied for the lack of a senator’s signature. They also turned off her microphone.
1:23 P.M.: After New York’s tally was read, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas stood up to object.
“I object on the massive voter suppression that included –” Jackson Lee began.
“The debate is not in order,” Biden interrupted. Again, the congresswoman lacked a senator’s signature.
1:28 P.M.: Arizona’s Rep. Raul Grijalva rose to object after North Carolina’s tally. He tried to object on violations of the Voting Rights Act, but Biden shut him down.
As you may have guessed, he didn’t have the signature of a senator.
Once he gave up, Jackson Lee tagged him out and tried to object to the votes herself. They cut off her microphone, too.
“There is no debate. There is no debate. There is no debate,” a visibly agitated Biden said as he gaveled.
1:31 PM: Jackson Lee made another appearance minutes later after South Carolina’s certification.
“There is no debate in the joint session,” Biden said, shutting her down once more.
1:36 PM: Biden must have thought, after five minutes of peace and getting through the state of West Virginia, that the House members might observe the rules. Lee wasn’t even able to make it through her objection before Biden said, “There is no debate.”
They cut off her microphone again.
1:37 PM: Wisconsin’s votes had been read. With just Wyoming to go, the finish line was in reach.
Jackson Lee once again tried to make an objection on the grounds of Russian interference in the election.
“The objection cannot be received,” Biden said.
1:38 PM: The final state’s votes had been read. Then entered California Rep. Maxine Waters.
Taking a play from her own book – she objected to the certification of George W. Bush’s 2000 election – Waters admitted that she didn’t have a senator’s signature on her objection.
“I wish to ask: Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?” Waters asked. Through House Speaker Paul Ryan’s chuckle and boos from the rest of the chamber, it was clear that there was not.
1:40 PM: The states were counted, but three protestors started yelling from the visitors’ gallery of the chamber. At least one of them was reciting the Constitution as he was taken away by security.
And after that, there was the whole "Trump colluded with the Russians®™ to Steal the 2016 Election" propaganda campaign.
Federal law enforcement and intelligence resources were used to give the illusion of credibility to this campaign.
Crimes were committed, and the Clinton campaign admitted to these crimes.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/30/dnc-clinton-campaign-fine-dossier-spending-disclosure-00021910
When you have a football game and it seems that the announcers are all pulling for the other team and it seems like the officials all have $10 grand riding on the other team, and the conference has just ruled 2 of your best players ineligible for something you know they didn't do (because it might be in the conference's best interest to have the other team win), it's very hard to stomach that seemingly inevitable loss.
But if you play your best and believe you got a fair shake all around and the other team was just better than you that day, you can shake hands and say "good game".
^This.
- Impeachment that was a reach
- 4 Years of Russiagate, steele dossier, pee tape
- Breathless coverage of the mueller report
- raiding Mar a lago and not Biden's garage for classified documents
- covering up the hunter biden lap top story in Oct before the election
- Judge reaching and instructing the jury to convict when it was pretty clear they shouldnt have, so they could label him a felon, on what amounts to a campaign parking ticket
- debates where only one side is fact checked
- breathless MSM coverage about how its Joy vs Hitler, end of democracy
- Riling up deranged actblue donors that said end of democracy is a reason we have to do something about Trump, 2x assassination attempts
- recruiting Dick fucking Cheney....
I mean, I dont know how you can watch all this and not assume this is a Harlem Globetrotters game level of rigging the outcome. At some point, some of these folks have to think...wait a minute...are we the bad guys?
– 4 Years of Russiagate, steele dossier, pee tape
Michael Tracey wrote an article on how Russiagate led to much of the right believing that the 2020 election was stolen.
https://mtracey.medium.com/the-most-predictable-election-fraud-backlash-ever-4187ba31d430
Ive seen quite a bit of the "but the false electors!" from the left, and funny enough, some of them are the exact same ones that were pleading with the electoral college to coup the country and "not let Trump become president"
But they love democracy though
The fake electors is alleged to have involved perjury and forgery.
Remember that kevin Clinesmith plead guilty to forgery for the purpose of bolstering the whole russiagate narrative.
Well said, note democrat sheep with fingers in their ears.
Problem is, all the fans – on both sides – already decided who won the game long before it was even played. And will immediately screech that anything other than a decisive win was "the other side cheating."
I read a great line the other day. "I suspect this country's going to have a nervous breakdown right around November 1st."
He's probably right.
Free and fair elections, LBJ democrat style:
The runoff vote count, handled by the Democratic State Central Committee, took a week. Johnson was announced the winner by 87 votes out of 988,295, an extremely narrow margin of victory. However, Johnson's victory was based on 200 "patently fraudulent" ballots reported six days after the election from Box 13 in Jim Wells County, in an area dominated by political boss George Parr. The added names were in alphabetical order and written with the same pen and handwriting, following at the end of the list of voters.
Expect the Democrats to introduce impeachment charges the day Trump is sworn in as President.
The solution is to prohibit government coercion then it won't matter who gets elected because they won't have any power to abuse.
"...but I cannot find an example of (Kamala) being asked directly about that possibility."
You can't find an example of her being asked a direct question period. Because she's a complete idiot, and you and the rest of the Democratic "journalists" know it.
The stage is set. Democrats in 2025 can escalate by a factor of 10, which will be close enough for Reason to equivocate, boaf sidez, and then reluctantly and strategically carry on as though nothing happened.