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FEMA

Trump's FEMA Fib

Plus: Iranian oil, Nevada's double-haters, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 10.8.2024 9:30 AM

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Hurricane Helene disaster recovery briefing | Dave Decker/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom
(Dave Decker/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom)

Is FEMA withholding aid to victims? Over the last few days, Republican nominee and former President Donald Trump has claimed in campaign rallies that the current administration is intentionally withholding aid to victims of Hurricane Helene, which destroyed vast swaths of the Gulf as well as eastern Tennessee and western North Carolina.

"The Harris-Biden administration says they don't have any money [for hurricane relief].…They spent it all on illegal migrants," Trump added. "They stole the FEMA money just like they stole it from a bank, so they could give it to their illegal immigrants that they want to have vote for them." He also implied that the current administration is withholding money from red states.

The former president alleged that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) had run out of money because so much of the funding had gone toward the needs of illegal immigrants who had recently crossed into this country. He also drew a contrast between the money offered to people whose homes had been destroyed and the amount of federal funding given to people in humanitarian crises abroad.

"They're offering them $750 to people whose homes have been washed away," Trump said Saturday at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. "And yet we send tens of billions of dollars to foreign countries that most people have never heard of. They're offering them $750. They've been destroyed. These people have been destroyed."

"FEMA has run out of money for the rest of hurricane season because Kamala Harris used the funds for free giveaways to illegal immigrants," Karoline Leavitt, the Trump campaign's press secretary, told Newsweek, sticking with the Trump line. "This is inexcusable and yet another example of Kamala Harris putting Americans LAST!"

"There's a lot of mis- and disinformation being pushed out there by the former president about what is available, particularly to the survivors of Helene," said Vice President Kamala Harris, Democratic contender for president, to reporters yesterday. "It's extraordinarily irresponsible. It's about him. It's not about you."

A few things: FEMA has not run out of money, but the agency is facing a wild staffing shortage and being battered by an extremely intense hurricane season that does not appear to be letting up. And Trump is, predictably, wrong about the FEMA/illegal immigrants claim, but that doesn't mean the federal government is shelling out obscene amounts of money to pay for those who've crossed into the country illegally.

Trump is probably referring to the Shelter and Services Program (SSP), which gives grants to nonprofits as well as state and local governments to take care of immigrants who have come here illegally; the funds for that program are distributed by FEMA but they don't come from its budget—they come from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection budget. "Congress boosted the budget from $360 million in fiscal year 2023 to $650 million in fiscal year 2024," reports The Washington Post. "The program's 2023 annual report says it provides shelter, such as hotel/motel services, food and transportation, including plane tickets up to $700 a person." (Even if that $650 million were being borrowed from the FEMA budget, it would be a minuscule drop in the budget since we have $35 billion allocated toward disaster relief each year.)

As for the $750 per person dollar amount, Trump was referring to FEMA's Serious Needs Assistance—"an upfront, flexible payment to help cover essential items like food, water, baby formula, breastfeeding supplies, medication and other emergency supplies," per the agency's website. "There are other forms of assistance that you may qualify for to receive and Serious Needs Assistance is an initial payment you may receive while FEMA assesses your eligibility for additional funds." So it's not that disaster victims are left high and dry because, say, the U.S. government is too busy funding the war effort in Ukraine or development assistance in Somalia; people whose homes were in the hurricane's path will get additional payments later on, beyond the $750.

Is FEMA screwed, though? Hurricane Milton is currently barreling toward Florida, forcing another round of evacuations while many are still recovering from Hurricane Helene. Last night it was looking like Milton might possibly become a Category 6, though it's now looking more like a Category 4 storm; since it hasn't made landfall yet, we're not totally sure what it will do. Regardless, its path is not too different from Hurricane Helene's, which made landfall about two weeks ago and has caused horrific destruction (at least $250 billion dollars' worth) and more than 200 deaths, with many people still unaccounted for.

"This could result in a significant strain on FEMA's resources," Daniel Kaniewski, a former deputy administrator at the U.S. disaster response agency, tells Bloomberg. "A major hurricane hitting a highly populated area would certainly be a worst case."

Tampa, where Milton is expected to hit, has 3.2 million residents. Damage might be quite severe. FEMA is stretched thin because of wildfires, flooding, and other hurricanes so far this season, and it projects a $3 billion deficit by February. In fact, just 9 percent of the agency's personnel (1,217 people) were available to respond to the hurricane or other disasters right now; compare this with the agency's staff reserves at this point in October in 2017 (the busiest hurricane year in the past decade, with Hurricanes Maria and Harvey hitting Puerto Rico and Houston), when 19 percent of FEMA's staff was on deck.

In the past two weeks alone, FEMA's staff has also "respond[ed] to flooding and landslides in Vermont, tornadoes in Kansas, the aftermath of Tropical Storm Debby in New York and Georgia and the Watch Fire in Arizona," reports The New York Times. "In a report last year, the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office found that 35 percent of FEMA's positions were unfilled, partly because of 'rising disaster activity during the year, which increased burnout and employee attrition.'" Of course, agencies always have an incentive to engage in some handwringing about how they need more money; the more they convince the public of this—and, more importantly, Congress—the higher the likelihood they'll get more when it's appropriations time.

An inconvenient truth: The cherry on top of this whole thing is that the Trump administration in 2019, during peak hurricane season, pulled $271 million from Department of Homeland Security programs—with $155 million coming from FEMA's disaster fund—to pay for "immigration detention space and temporary hearing locations for asylum seekers who had been forced to wait in Mexico," per The Washington Post. "The monthly reports issued by the FEMA disaster fund show $38 million was plucked and given to Immigration and Customs Enforcement in August that year—just before the prime storm period of September and October."

Of course, trying to scale up capacity to process ever-larger numbers of asylum hearings arguably makes more sense than paying up to $700(!) per migrant plane ticket. That money has to come from somewhere. But Trump should not claim his opponents are misdirecting FEMA funds or abandoning Americans during their hour of need when that isn't the case.


Scenes from New York: New Jersey's government has been shelling out to market the state to European tourists, which is kind of a hilarious (read: disturbing) use of taxpayer dollars.


QUICK HITS

  • How disaster relief is actually going in Asheville, North Carolina, from Kevin D. Williamson.
  • Inside the minds of Nevada's double-hater voters.
  • Interesting observations (from 2018, but enjoying a resurgence due to Marginal Revolution) on Deng Xiaoping vs. Xi Jinping, from one of China's art museums:

I went to China's national museum of art today & saw something interesting. At the exhibit for the 40th anniversary of reform & opening, Deng Xiaoping was hardly to be seen. Xi Jinping — and his father — stole the show. (1/ ) pic.twitter.com/qNi51R8SPN

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  • "If Israel does attack Iran's oil production, the ramifications of that alone would be minimal for the global economy, analysts say," per The New York Times. "Iran is a major oil producer, pumping out nearly four million barrels a day, or about 4 percent of the global total, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. But other Persian Gulf states like Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates could expand production to make up that volume, easing pressures on international prices, experts say."
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Ta-Nehisi Coates would be disgusted at the idea of someone taking a quick field trip and becoming a self-styled expert on American race relations, yet that's exactly what he did to consider himself qualified to lecture people on the Middle East.

— Noam Blum (@neontaster) October 7, 2024

  • True:

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  1. Chumby   8 months ago

    Watchdog found $7B in untapped FEMA funds — even though DHS Secretary Mayorkas said none available for future disasters

    A Department of Homeland Security inspector general’s report from August reveals more than $7 billion remain in emergency funding that could be used for natural disasters — even though DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said last week none was available after Hurricane Helene.

    - Intel Slava Z et al

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      What JD Vance Trump got wrong about FEMA.

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        It's a "fib" if we don't like it pointed out.

    2. damikesc   8 months ago

      Never forget who is important to Biden-Harris.

      It ain't you.

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        For St Pete’s sake, we may find out again this week.

      2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 months ago

        The morning after KJP stormed off in a snit due to Doocy asking why Lebanon gets aid without Congress, the admin announces more Student Loan forgiveness

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          Welfare for the gentry class.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Fuck Joe Biden, and fuck his little diversity munchkin.

      3. Ajsloss   8 months ago

        It ain’t you.

        Saw an ad that she works for they/them, not you.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Now we know what they mean by "preferred" pronouns.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Who are we to believe?

      On Oct 2, Mayorkas said, "We are expecting another hurricane hitting. We do not have the funds. FEMA does not have the funds to make it through the season and what is imminent."

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Perhaps he has earmarked those funds for more important things, like DEI training, misinformation censorship, and campaign support.

        1. HorseConch   8 months ago

          How do we have disaster equity if we don't do all of those important things?

        2. JohnZ   8 months ago

          Haitians in Springfield, Ohio need new BBQs for dinner.
          ( just the right size for cats and dogs.)

          1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

            How racist can you be? Appropriating Asian culture like that, those Haitians should be ashamed.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 months ago

        Why does Liz not address that statement? Must be a cheap fake.

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          The FSB (nee KGB) often has good intel on how bad things are in the US. And I got 50 kopeks for posting it.

        2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          KAR's Dinesh D'Souza and the ghost of Rush Limbaugh stole technology from the future and deepfaked the event.

      3. Ajsloss   8 months ago

        Well, on June 21st Mayorkas said FEMA was "tremendously prepared" for hurricane season.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          Mayorkas lied. People died.

        2. Chumby   8 months ago

          The Biden-Harris admin’s response to domestic disasters has been a real train wreck.

          1. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

            A disaster, one might say.

  2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    Is FEMA withholding aid to victims? Over the last few days, Republican nominee and former President Donald Trump has claimed in campaign rallies that the current administration is intentionally withholding aid to victims of Hurricane Helene, which destroyed vast swaths of the Gulf as well as eastern Tennessee and western North Carolina.

    Haitian pet story again.

    We have many examples of aid workers and citizens in the affected areas saying exactly this. Aid workers and churches saying they are being denied the ability to ship in supplies. Musk was talking stat link. NY Post just had a story of FEMA saying they couldn't provide aid due to a road closed sign. Helicopter operators saying the FAA shutting them down.

    This is all examples of aid. Being denied.

    Do better mediocre Liz.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      A few things: FEMA has not run out of money, but the agency is facing a wild staffing shortage and being battered by an extremely intense hurricane season that does not appear to be letting up. And Trump is, predictably, wrong about the FEMA/illegal immigrants claim, but that doesn't mean the federal government is shelling out obscene amounts of money to pay for those who've crossed into the country illegally.

      Mayorkas himself said they were out of money. Harris said Congress needs to fund them more.

      Intense hurricane season?? There have been 2 landfalls. One minor.

      Does KMW have you under armed guard Liz? Blink twice if you need rescue.

      1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        And that was after a gap of how long as well? When was the last major hurricane landfall they even had to mount a major response to? Its been a few years since anything of significance has happened

        1. Nelson   8 months ago

          You know FEMA is the Federal Emergency Management Agency, not the Federal Emergency Hurricane Agency, right? So floods in Vermont, tornadoes in Oklahoma, wildfires in Idaho, blizzards in Minnesota, ice storms in the Texas panhandle (with the annual obligatory 50 car pileup), etc.? Hurricanes that make landfall are a tiny part of what FEMA responds to.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      And of course mediocre Liz misses the entire controversy of FEMA focused on DEI initiatives including openly saying they wany to prioritize favored groups.

      A writeup filled with the leftist narratives of WAPO and others.

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        Liz needs to get on Telegram to see libertarian news and first hand accounts from folks in the field. But the metro Reason editor model of using MSM editorials don’t being in the facts.

        1. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

          But that would cut into the daily NYC story, which the rest of the country is so interested in.

      2. Nelson   8 months ago

        "entire controversy of FEMA focused on DEI initiatives"

        Probably because the only ones who think it's a "controversy" are the ones who are looking for any opportunity to pretend DEI is the most disastrous thing to ever happen in the history of America. Not only is FEMA not "foucused" on DEI, normal people don't think it's a relevant issue in a discussion if emergency response.

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      Anyone else notice the only reason writer to actually go to the place they are reporting about was Nancy rommelmen?

      The reason staff needs to get off their asses and go to these places.

      Fuck off about Springfield and apalacia if your not reporting from there. The reporters that actually got off their asses and went have said it's worse than you think

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

        Fire KMW.
        Get out of DC and NYC.
        Liberty first, pragmatism second.

        The problem with pragmatism is it varies by the individual. Whatever arguments the pragmatist makes are just opinions. If you don't include any discussion of individualism and liberty, you're just another opinion writer.

        A libertarian rag should be more than just a repository of opinion pieces.

        1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

          It's become the model for this purportedly libertarian magazine not to give even lip service to the libertarian philosophical argument. For example, how many articles on FAFSA causing problems for students receiving aid mentioned that the federal government should not be in the business of giving out student aid? None of them that I read. During COVID, Reason published slews of articles about whether or not masking was effective at reducing the spread, without making the main point that it's a violation of self autonomy for the government to require masking, regardless of efficacy or lack of it. Even Reason's articles about the war on drugs mostly focus on the efficacy of decriminalization vs prohibition, and not on the individual liberty aspect.

          It's almost all pragmatism instead of philosophy. When you concede the philosophy grounded on self-ownership, you've already lost the argument and are fighting the battle on the statists' terf.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

            That's it. Everyone has an opinion, and their validity is all individual. Yet rather than discuss individuals and their right to be individuals, this website has turned into opinion pieces no different from any others. Individualism is powerful stuff. Ignoring it is like paying Wilt Chamberlain to play tiddlywinks.

          2. Roberta   8 months ago

            When you assert the philosophy ground, you paint yourself as as ideologue and lose the trust of non-ideologues.

            1. Social Justice is neither   8 months ago

              And when you accept the tenets of your philosophical enemies as immutable truth you have no argument worth expressing.

      2. SIV   8 months ago

        "The Desert Fox"

    4. DeAnnP   8 months ago

      What kind of aid was that FEMA person delivering? I see that it was a home inspector to inspect her house? Inspect for what damages? How much money she will get to rebuild? Do you know why the road was closed? Was it at risk of collapsing? Do you think a FEMA worker should risk their life to give someone an immediate estimate?

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        You could have read the article. Answers almost all your questions. Instead of reflexing defending government.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

        Oh come now. Those would be questions that a person would ask if that person were using critical thinking skills to try to uncover the truth. Instead, we have people like Jesse and his tribe, who only want to push narratives about evil Team Blue denying assistance to regular Murican disaster victims because they are funneling it all to illegal immigrants instead. Their big election strategy this campaign is to drum up fear and anger and hatred towards the damn illegulz, so anything they can do to push that narrative, they will do.

        FEMA has said over and over that they do not take donations directly, that people who want to give donations should instead give them to private charitable organizations. But the Team Red team around here will take that as "proof" that FEMA is turning its backs on citizens.

        1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

          That’s not the issue.

          1. Chumby   8 months ago

            Yeah, but Chunky Brewster will try to make it so.

        2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          "WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE JESSE AND HIS TRIBE PUSHING NARRATIVES ABOUT ME team blue!!!"

          Whether it is true or not is irrelevant to Lying Jeffy. The point for him is that although the money really was funneled to pocket money and free housing for scofflaws as per the Biden Administration's own boasts, it now reflects poorly on the party and that can not be tolerated.

          1. Chumby   8 months ago

            This is why DiSiNfOrMaTiOn needs to prohibited. Walz and for some time irrelevant Hillary agree.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

            So, even though there is zero evidence that there was any money taken out of the FEMA budget and put into the "illegal immigrant" budget, ML insists that the claim must be true and that if you don't believe the claim is true, you're a liar and Team Blue shill.

            I think that's the definition of gaslighting right there.

            1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

              "nO eViDeNcE"

              Except for all the statements by the relevant officials saying as much and Kamala boasting about it two weeks ago, and the official press releases and bit on the FEMA website, and newspaper articles, there is "nO eViDeNcE".

              And you are indeed a liar and Team Blue shill, and your claim that there is "nO eViDeNcE" is indeed the very definition of gaslighting, because there is a plethora of evidence with much of it posted right here today. So Sarcasmic excepted, who you think you're tricking is beyond me.

              1. Chumby   8 months ago

                Given his girth and the potential for voluminous farts, tubby should wear proper PPE prior to gaslighting. And no, a face diaper will not provide protection.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                all the statements by the relevant officials saying as much

                Please demonstrate where any one of these statements said "We took money out of the FEMA budget and put it into the illegal immigrant budget".

                and Kamala boasting about it two weeks ago

                Please demonstrate where Kamala boasted, two weeks ago, that "we took money out of the FEMA budget and put it into the illegal immigrant budget".

                the official press releases and bit on the FEMA website

                Please cite the part of the press release which states "money was taken out of our budget and transferred to the illegal immigrant budget".

                and newspaper articles

                Please cite even one newspaper article which quoted anyone on the record stating "we took money out of the FEMA budget and put it into the illegal immigrant budget".

                ML knows that this evidence does not exist. If ML chooses to respond at all, he is most likely going to come up with some citation or claim from someone saying "FEMA is low on funds" and/or "we support immigrants" and/or "here is this government program that provides support for asylum seekers while they are awaiting their hearing". But he will never even attempt to claim that money was taken directly out of the FEMA budget and put into some illegal immigrant budget. He just wants you to "connect the dots", you see, the dots that he conveniently presents in front of you without proper context or explanation in order to manipulate you into arriving at the conclusion that he wants you to draw. That is gaslighting and that is not honest.

                1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

                  “…..which gives grants to nonprofits and state and local governments to take care of immigrants who have come here illegally; the funds for that program are distributed by FEMA..,”

                  Ah. So the fact that the regime is not calling it “the illegal immigrant budget” has you quite easily fooled. The third and fourth party go betweens apparently means that the funds are not, in fact, coming from FEMA in your selectivity nuanced intentional misreading of the facts.

                  You’re an idiot, Jeff.

                  1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

                    I even pointed out to our resident Marxist a week ago that the State Department knew these NGOs were teaching illegals how to get around initial asylum screens. They did so in Congressional testimony. Jeff doesn't care.

                    1. Chumby   8 months ago

                      It is about importing a collective shared reasoning society…and boys.

                  2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                    You’re an idiot, Jeff.

                    He's a liar. He knows damned well that Mayokas, Kamala, et al were boasting about it just a month or two ago and yet he parrots their new denials here.

                  3. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                    Huh. Weird how you didn't finish that ellipsis in the quote.

                    The full sentence is:

                    Trump is probably referring to the Shelter and Services Program (SSP), which gives grants to nonprofits as well as state and local governments to take care of immigrants who have come here illegally; the funds for that program are distributed by FEMA but they don't come from its budget—they come from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection budget.

                    Again, still nothing about money being transferred from FEMA's budget into some illegal immigrant budget. You are just as much of a lying gaslighter as ML here.

                    1. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

                      chemjeff...ML put up (links and citations), when will you?

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      Read below.

                    3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

                      Lol. This is comedy.

                      The full sentence is: irrelevant.

                      I don’t give a fuck where it came from or what they call it. The “US customs and border protection budget” shouldn’t be throwing debit cards at illegals either, you idiot.

                      Man, they don’t call you a selectively nuanced defeatist for nothing, that’s for sure.

                2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                  I love it when clowntits thinks I'm bluffing like he does.

                  January 2024 - Democratic lawmakers urge FEMA action to support migrants in Colorado

                  Congressman Crow Joins Colorado’s Democratic Congressional Delegation to Call on FEMA to Take Immediate Action to Support Cities, Nonprofits Assisting Migrant Arrivals

                  Pressley Joins Warren, Markey, MA Delegation to Urge Biden Admin. to Approve FEMA Funding to Support New Arrivals

                  1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                    These hijinks were happening back in 2023 - FEMA disaster relief fund faces August shortfall as feds scramble to find cash

                    "Criswell told the subcommittee that Congress previously provided funding for an emergency food and shelter program that allowed FEMA to provide humanitarian aid. Within the last year, that program has transitioned into a shelter and service program.
                    "I just want to clarify for the record that FEMA is not an immigration agency," Criswell said. "We do follow congressional direction in the program that we do have that supports that emergency food and shelter program for humanitarian efforts and now the shelter and services program."
                    Criswell said she supports an item in President Joe Biden’s budget request for the upcoming fiscal year that asked Congress to appropriate $4.7 billion for a border contingency fund within the Department of Homeland Security.
                    “Depending on the conditions and the dynamic nature of the border, what that contingency fund also provides is up to $800 million that could be available to FEMA to support our shelter and services program,” Criswell said. “This would be the same level as fiscal year 2023.”
                    FEMA is housed within the Department of Homeland Security.

                    DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY APPROPRIATIONS BILL, 2024

                    "Emergency Food and Shelter Program.--The Committee is
                    concerned that FEMA has not conducted adequate oversight of the
                    Emergency Food and Shelter Program (EFSP), which limits FEMA's
                    and Congress' ability to ensure funds are being used in
                    accordance with applicable laws and regulations. For the
                    Humanitarian program (EFSP-H) specifically--which was
                    established to provide food, shelter, and services to migrants
                    encountered by DHS at the southern border--the Committee is
                    troubled by the significant amount of funds awarded to non-
                    border adjacent cities. In addition, the Committee is troubled
                    by FEMA's inability to provide basic information on how these
                    funds are being used by program recipients."

                    Department of Homeland Security Announces $300 Million in Direct Funding to Communities Receiving Migrants and $340 Million for a New Competitive Awards Process

                    "WASHINGTON -- Today, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), through FEMA and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), announced $300 million in grants through the Shelter and Services Program (SSP), which was authorized by Congress to support communities that are providing services to migrants. Two hundred seventy-five million dollars will be distributed in the first allocation, and the remaining $25 million will be allocated later in the year to accommodate evolving operational requirements. The initial funding will be available to 55 grant recipients for temporary shelter and other eligible costs associated with migrants awaiting the outcome of their immigration proceedings."

                    1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                      Here’s ⁦CNN talking about how FEMA gave money to illegal immigrants.

                      Mayorkas talking about the program.

                      Department of Homeland Security Announces Distribution of More Than $77 Million in Congressional Funding for Communities Receiving Migrants

                    2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                      KJP 2022 vs KJP now on giving FEMA relief for illegals

                      I could go on forever, but I’m getting bored and it’s not like I’m going to convince you anyway because you are paid not to be. Instead I’m just posting enough to convince a casual observer that you’re a con artist and regard you accordingly.

                  2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                    Oh look, it's ML's Gish Gallop of irrelevant, misleading, and dishonest links.

                    Let's take a look at these:

                    January 2024 – Democratic lawmakers urge FEMA action to support migrants in Colorado

                    Congressman Crow Joins Colorado’s Democratic Congressional Delegation to Call on FEMA to Take Immediate Action to Support Cities, Nonprofits Assisting Migrant Arrivals

                    Pressley Joins Warren, Markey, MA Delegation to Urge Biden Admin. to Approve FEMA Funding to Support New Arrivals

                    Oh, so some politicians are urging FEMA to spend money on migrants. Still not the same as money being taken away from FEMA and being spent on migrants. Last I checked, the mere desires of politicians do not control budgets.

                    “Criswell told the subcommittee that Congress previously provided funding for an emergency food and shelter program that allowed FEMA to provide humanitarian aid. Within the last year, that program has transitioned into a shelter and service program.

                    Oh! So Congress provided funds to FEMA for this EFSP program, that were separate and distinct from the rest of FEMA's other programs. And some of this FEMA money has been spent on humanitarian relief that some dirty filthy illegal might have touched. Aha! This proves that FEMA money is being diverted towards those damn illegulz! EXCEPT, if you look at the actual FEMA budget, it has continued to grow over the years, even while the budget for this EFSP program has stayed completely flat.

                    https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2022-03/Federal%20Emergency%20Management%20Agency_Remediated.pdf

                    https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-04/2024_0320_federal_emergency_management_agency.pdf

                    From FY 21 through FY 24, the EFSP program's budget has been flat at $130 million per year.
                    Meanwhile, the overall FEMA budget has grown from $26.5 billion in FY 21 to $30.5 billion in FY 24. So EVEN IF every single dollar of that EFSP program went to dirty filthy illegulz, it did not come at the expense of the rest of the budget. As is typical with government spending, when there's a crisis, nobody actually stops to re-examine spending priorities, they just throw more money at it. That is what has happened here.

                    Money was not taken away from anyone in order to be handed to illegals. You and Trump are just wrong.

                    “WASHINGTON — Today, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), through FEMA and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), announced $300 million in grants through the Shelter and Services Program (SSP)

                    CBP is not FEMA. SSP is not FEMA. Irrelevant.

                    Here’s ⁦CNN talking about how FEMA gave money to illegal immigrants.

                    Here's that same CNN reporter pushing back about how this clip of her is wrong, distorted, and misleading.

                    https://x.com/JasJWright/status/1843309824294973616

                    Mayorkas talking about the program.

                    He's talking about the SSP program, which again is not FEMA. But that was a very handy and misleading clip to try to deceive people.

                    Department of Homeland Security Announces Distribution of More Than $77 Million in Congressional Funding for Communities Receiving Migrants

                    From your link:

                    WASHINGTON – Today, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), through the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), announced more than $77 million in grants to support border and interior communities receiving migrants through the Shelter and Services Program (SSP)

                    SSP =/= FEMA

                    KJP 2022 vs KJP now on giving FEMA relief for illegals

                    She is talking about the EFSP program which I mentioned above. Still wrong.

                    Every single one of your Gish Galloped links is wrong.

                    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   8 months ago

                      Lol. Good lord, just stop.

                    2. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

                      But you can admit that illegals are getting taxpayer money.

                      I was once told that illegals were not getting taxpayer money and now we are arguing about which agency gave it to them.

    5. JohnZ   8 months ago

      One emergency relief site set up by the people was nearly destroyed by a military helicopter which flew very low over the site, blowing canopies and relief supplies around. Who gave the order?
      The U.S. government is not your friend.

    6. HorseConch   8 months ago

      The fact that this conversation is happening at all tells you how inept and corrupt their administration is. They are printing $2T/year in deficit spending and don't have FEMA money for the most FEMA function ever.

    7. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

      Yeah it is the "Haitian pet story" all over again, with your team pushing LIES about what is happening with regards to disaster relief, and then when called out on it, retreat to your "fake but accurate" strategy.

      this is your team's whole MO now it seems:

      - make shit up in order to attract attention
      - get called out on your lies
      - then pivot to "well, sure it wasn't all totally true, but that's not the important part anymore, look at all of these other problems"

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

        Said lies should then be easy to counter.

        Did Mayorkas not say FEMA was out of funds?

        Start with that one. Rebut it.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

          https://apnews.com/article/hurricane-helene-congress-fema-funding-5be4f18e00ce2b509d6830410cf2c1cb

          “We are meeting the immediate needs with the money that we have. We are expecting another hurricane hitting,” Mayorkas said. “FEMA does not have the funds to make it through the season.”

          So no, Mayorkas did not say that FEMA is "out of funds".

          Furthermore, what Mayorkas (or any politician) says, may or may not correspond to reality. This is the guy that your team tried to impeach, right? So why should he be believed now?

          Now, your turn.

          "FEMA has run out of money for the rest of hurricane season because Kamala Harris used the funds for free giveaways to illegal immigrants,"

          Is this statement true or false? If you claim this statement is true, then give evidence to back up your claim.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

            Quibbler. Whether they're out of funds now, tomorrow, or next month, it makes no difference. The fiscal year started Oct 1st, and already he knows he can't make it to the end of hurricane season.

            Broke is broke.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

              So I'm right, you're wrong, but you refuse to admit it. I see.

              1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                Are you insane? How did you get there?

                The fiscal year started Oct 1st, the season ends November 30 and we are only seven days into the fiscal year.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                  We are meeting the immediate needs with the money that we have.

                  1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                    But they aren't. Tens of thousands of videos and statements from mayors across the region are proof of that, you dishonest, fifty-centing shill.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      Goalpost moving. The claim was about what Mayorkas said, not about whether his statements correspond to reality.

                      If you want to claim that Mayorkas is lying, then by all means do so. I wouldn't be surprised. But then again that would mean that the original claim of "Mayorkas said FEMA is out of money" would be false.

                      It is a bit amusing though that you hate me so much, you would even defend Mayorkas - again, the guy that your team tried to impeach - if it means trying to prove me wrong.

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                  Also, I love it how that, suddenly, the statements of a government official - one that Team Red tried to impeach, no less - are now to be taken as if they are the gospel truth and not fact-checked in the slightest.

                  1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                    suddenly, the statements of a government official – one that Team Red tried to impeach, no less – are now to be taken as if they are the gospel truth

                    Are you retarded?
                    No, seriously. Did you actually think that middle school sophistry is a viable counterargument?

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      So, you tell me. Is Mayorkas telling the truth when he says "We are meeting the immediate needs with the money that we have", or is he lying?

                      If he is telling the truth, that means you agree with me that SGT is wrong.
                      If he is lying, then demonstrate that he is lying.

                    2. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                      When you’re demanding that we think that someone is either always lying or always telling the truth, with no other option like he’ll lie his tits off but only when it’s in his interests, that is pure sophistry.

                      Not even a grade schooler would think that is a legitimate argument, but look at you try to pull it here.

                      I hope your boss slaps you upside the head for using such retarded rhetoric.

                    3. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

                      Video: We do not have the funds to make it through the season.

                    4. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

                      This is unreal....I am watching chemjeff morph into chemtard.

                    5. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

                      He's been chemtard for a long time. Problem is, he's getting more retarded and pedantic than usual. I guess his 55-gallon drum of Ben and Jerry's ran out.

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                      Strawman. I'm not demanding that you think a person is ALWAYS lying or ALWAYS telling the truth. Only that you lack clear objective standards for your determination of when certain people are lying or not. To wit, your standard for when a government official or report is lying or not is whether that person or report is beneficial to your team.

                      When the government says "we're out of FEMA money", you believe him because it assists your team's narrative that FEMA instead spent all of its money on dirty filthy illegulz.

                      But when the government says "violent crime rates are falling", you claim it's a lie because it contradicts your team's narrative of an out-of-control crime wave created by Team Blue "defunding the police".

                      In neither case do you or your team actually do any work to determine if those statements are, in fact, true or false in some objective sense. It is always just post-hoc rationalization about "what will help my team". And I'm happy to point that out to you.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

          https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-donald-trump-hurricane-helene-3097f1706455929adf5a4eb67f9cdf0f

          Trump, writing on his social media platform Monday, also claimed without evidence that the federal government and North Carolina’s Democratic governor were “going out of their way to not help people in Republican areas.”

          Is this claim true or false? Is the federal government intentionally withholding aid from Republican areas? If you believe this claim is true, give evidence to support this claim.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

            Ah yes, turn a question about lying bureaucrats into a Trump question.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

              Well the claim that I made, and the one that you chose to respond to, was about Team Red lying about the hurricane disaster relief. So yes, I am going to choose instances of Team Red lying to make this point. It would be rather silly to talk about lies from Team Red, and then bring up a Team Blue lie.

              If you would like to discuss a lie from Team Blue about disaster relief, then go right ahead.

              By the way, is Trump's statement true or false? If true, provide evidence for the claim.

        3. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

          "They're offering them $750 to people whose homes have been washed away," Trump said Saturday at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. "And yet we send tens of billions of dollars to foreign countries that most people have never heard of. They're offering them $750. They've been destroyed. These people have been destroyed."

          Do you think Trump's assessment here is a fair and accurate one? He is strongly implying that disaster victims are ONLY receiving $750. Is that true? Do you support Trump's framing of this issue? If so, why?

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

            Two in a row for Trump, none for Biden or Kamala who control the funds now.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

              Well the claim that I made, and the one that you chose to respond to, was about Team Red lying about the hurricane disaster relief. So yes, I am going to choose instances of Team Red lying to make this point.

              Do you think Trump's assessment here is fair and accurate? If so, why?

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

                BUT TRUMP!

                Do you feel satisfied doing this?

                1. Chumby   8 months ago

                  Satisfied like gettin two quarters each time or satisfied like inhaling two dozen Krispy Kreme doughnuts in one sitting?

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

                  Oh you're right. There is never a good time to talk about Trump's lies. We must always focus on every other terrible thing that is happening in the world before we ever get around to talking about whether Trump may or may not have fibbed on some particular issue.

    8. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

      Aid workers and churches saying they are being denied the ability to ship in supplies.

      Give us a high-quality link to this claim. I am willing to bet that this claim turns out to be an anecdotal rumor, and even if true, the reason for denying the ability to transport supplies has to do with the hazardous conditions, not with any ill will towards disaster victims.

      NY Post just had a story of FEMA saying they couldn’t provide aid due to a road closed sign.

      Well gee, maybe the road was actually closed. What do you expect FEMA to do, rev their trucks and get a running start so that they can jump the gap a la Dukes of Hazzard?

      Helicopter operators saying the FAA shutting them down.

      Well gee, maybe helicopter operators have to follow the aviation rules just like everyone else. And - get this - it can be treacherous to operate helicopters in an area with lots of mountains and lots of downed power lines.

      This isn't some action movie where the heroic rescuers fight through all sorts of adversity in order to reach the disaster victims just in the nick of time. This is real life, where there is a very real possibility that rescue workers, having the best of intentions, can unintentionally become victims themselves if they try to deliver aid in a half-assed or dangerous manner. It is not some evil plot to keep victims starving and suffering.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

        I dunno, Jeff. Aren't downed power lines kinda sorta outa the way, being on the ground? Isn't that just a little bit less dangerous than the ones in the air?

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

          I would claim that it is less hazardous to fly in an area where you can clearly see and identify the risks, than to fly in an area where you cannot.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

            Yeah, you would claim that, whereas helicopter pilots would probably not, at least the few I've talked with and heard about fighting fires.

          2. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

            I might be wrong about this but isn't the government still flying in that restricted space?

    9. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

      And the most disgusting parts about this entire propaganda campaign is:

      1. Your team is using the suffering of real victims in order to score political points; and
      2. Your team is using the suffering of real victims in order to vilify illegal immigrants, yet again, who have ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING TO DO WITH HURRICANES OR DISASTER RELIEF.

      You know the crazy left-wingers who blame climate change for everything? They will blame climate change for earthquakes, racism, why their soy latte is cold, everything. That is your team now, except instead of blaming climate change, you blame illegals. They are responsible for everything. “FEMA didn’t immediately deliver aid in a mountainous remote area of the country that was struck by a disaster, where roads were washed out? It’s because those DAMNED ILLEGALS took FEMA’s ability away to defy the laws of physics!”

      1. HorseConch   8 months ago

        Who triggered the fatty?

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          Gas leak at the local Pizza Hut and their doors are closed today?

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

          When your only retort is to make a lame joke, then I can tell I am getting through.

          1. Dillinger   8 months ago

            idk about anyone else but I always stop at "your team".

            1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

              This

            2. Chumby   8 months ago

              Team America, Fuck Yeah!

      2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        Defend government at all costs!

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          I feel sorry for the bears in trunks that were in Helene’s path of destruction. Might be pandaring to a small crowd, but imagine it could be a grizzly sight.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

            That's a polarizing topic.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

              Stop pandaring.

              1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

                I can't bear it when someone recycles a pun from just two comments earlier. It makes me want to claw at my hair.

                1. Chumby   8 months ago

                  There might be something bruin to have caused that.

                2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

                  It was a Boo-Boo.

      3. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        Did your 55-gallon drum of cheesy poofs run out and Amazon hasn’t delivered the next one yet?

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          It was an emergency snd he is waiting for the FEMA funds to clear.

      4. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        "And the most disgusting parts about this entire propaganda campaign"

        You know what is even more disgusting? Team KKKemjeff lying and covering up the fuckery, calling it pRoPaGaNdA and harming real victims right now, because you are all terrified that trying to fix the problem will demonstrate how evil you really are just before an election.

        Your fake opprobrium and declaring your sewer is the high-ground is IMO pretty disgusting too, you piece of shit.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

          Your team is a bunch of dishonest narrative-pushing propagandists. I saw the deceptive videos that your allies were pushing on Twitter that you helpfully linked to. They showed video clips like some government official saying in 2022, "here's some money to help with the influx of migrants!" and then in 2024, saying "no, we're not giving disaster relief money to illegal immigrants, that's crazy!" Gee, the way the videos are put together, it sure makes it look like the politician is lying, and not just lying, but lying about GIVING MONEY TO FILTHY ILLEGAL SCUM. How bad is that?

          All of those videos, however, are an apples-to-oranges comparison. All of them. Those two different funding sources that are described in the two videos, they are two different pots of money. Some is EFSP money. Some is SSP money. Neither one is FEMA disaster relief money. The videos won't say this. Why not? Because they are lying to you.

          And let's just back up a moment. Why the fuck are we even talking about illegal immigration in the context of hurricane disaster relief? Answer: because Trump and your team are, YET AGAIN, scapegoating and vilifying illegal immigrants. Every time he opens his piehole, he's blaming illegals for something or other. And of course you rush to defend him because you are a sad pathetic self-admitted Trump shill. Just like you refused for weeks to admit that Trump told even one lie in his first debate, you are going to go to the mat for every single stupid idea and insane utterance that comes from him because you lack all integrity.

          The illegal immigrants are Team Red's version of 1930's German Jews: the scapegoats for all of the nation's problems, and an easy target for demagogic politicians to go after.

          1. Chumby   8 months ago

            Strawman and bad analogy.

            German Jews were German. They were citizens of that nation (until the national socialists had a shared collective reasoning and changed some laws). Germany was their home. They had a different religion than the Protestants in the north and east as well as from the Catholics in the south. They weren’t Johnny come lately folks, unlike modern day including thousands of murderers and rapists, that then took 100+ billion Reichmarks per year (ignoring inflation and exchange rate) in government goods and services. They were generally productive citizens of their nation. Those Germans were rounded up in Germany by the national socialists and exterminated (unless you follow the narrative of some anti-Trump folks in these comments). Taking other people’s stuff via force is what those national socialists did. Then German national socialists immigrated to other nations and continued rounding up the Jews (and Tigani, Slavs, mentally ill, homosexuals, etc) and exterminated them too. The calls attempts at killing today have been carried out by two Act Blue donors and mostly peaceful protesters. That isn’t from your bogeyman “Team Red.”

  3. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

    ..like Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates could expand production to make up that volume, easing pressures on international price….

    Why would they do that?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      To elect Harris?

  4. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 months ago

    Extremely intense hurricane season?! There’s been two so far

    Reason carrying water for Fed Bureaucracies now – they’re understaffed!

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Moar money needed for training!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Information science (aka propaganda and censorship) training?

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          Policies will be changed.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

            And facts.

  5. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    Science only Jeff could love.

    AG
    @AGHamilton29
    I had to check to make sure this was real...

    Scientific American:

    "Inequity between male and female athletes is a result not of inherent biological differences between the sexes but of biases in how they are treated in sports."

    https://scientificamerican.com/article/the-theory-that-men-evolved-to-hunt-and-women-evolved-to-gather-is-wrong1/

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Trust the “science”.

    2. Social Justice is neither   8 months ago

      Well, if there is no biological difference then we can just roll all those women's leagues into the men's and everything will be fine. Shuffle the women around in the combined league so they're not "treated different" by being concentrated on a few teams and all the problems vanish.

      1. damikesc   8 months ago

        Yeah. Seems the argument is more for the abandonment of men/women sports over allowing exceptionally mediocre male athletes to pretend to be girls to have a competitive edge.

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

        ""Well, if there is no biological difference then we can just roll all those women’s leagues into the men’s and everything will be fine""

        Tell a liberal that and watch how quickly they disagree.

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          I don't know. Five years ago maybe... Now maybe not, as the prog's seem to want heterosexuality abandoned and everyone rolled into an amorphous asexual blob.

      3. Mickey Rat   8 months ago

        Yes, if there is no real physiological difference between the sexes as far as athletic prowess is concerned, then women's sports should be illegal as they would violate prohibitions on discrimination by having no legitimate reason to segregate "women", however someone might define that word.

    3. Moonrocks   8 months ago

      Lysenko laughs.

    4. Minadin   8 months ago

      "11 women identifying as men decided to join a men’s soccer league in Spain.

      They lost their first match 19 - 0."

      https://twitter.com/BillboardChris/status/1843072940952469865

      1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

        Cup check!

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        Color me utterly shocked.

      3. Chumby   8 months ago

        The most decorated soccer team ever, the US Women’s National Team, once lost to a team of under 15 boys:

        https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

        Jeff may say it is understandable that perhaps those women were in awe as he gets weak in the knees around under 15 boys.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          And not just in the US either...

          Australia’s women’s football team are ranked the fifth best side in world football. So how did they lose 7-0 to a collection of 15-year-old boys? It is the question gripping the Matildas, who will be targeting a medal at the Rio Olympics in August, after they were embarrassed by the Newcastle Jets under-16s side on Wednesday.

          And not just soccer

          Jan 5, 2006 — The Warroad High School boys' team squeaked out a 2-1 victory over the U.S. Olympic women's hockey team Wednesday.

          (2016) BROOKLINE, Mass. — The United States women’s hockey team will be among the top gold medal contenders at the 2014 Winter Olympics, but before the squad heads to Sochi on Feb. 1, it’s preparing for the Games by scrimmaging against New England high school boys. The most recent opponent on Team USA’s schedule was Dexter Southfield, which defeated the U.S. Olympians 6-3 on Sunday afternoon.

        2. damikesc   8 months ago

          "The most decorated soccer team ever, the US Women’s National Team, once lost to a team of under 15 boys:"

          Yeah. wasn't just a loss. It was not even terribly close.

          And let's be blunt, whomever wins the WNBA this year would lose to virtually any state champion high school boys team. And it would not be close.

          1. HorseConch   8 months ago

            They would lose by 50 to a group of top HS boys. It would be worse if they boys kept their foot on the gas.

          2. Social Justice is neither   8 months ago

            Are the women allowed to gouge eyes and otherwise flagrantly foul at will? That seemed to be their rule this season, at least against certain players (ok, singular player).

            1. damikesc   8 months ago

              Yeah, the players hatred for, literally, the ONLY reason anybody watches the damned league is baffling.

        3. Small w woodchippertarian   8 months ago

          The Women's Olympic hockey team came to Albuquerque to practice with the Ice Wolves in 2021, who are in the Tier II Junior league which I think is the lowest level on the path to professional hockey. The Ice Wolves won the first scrimmage, and IIRC they won the second as well.

          https://nationalteamsoficehockey.com/u-s-womens-hockey-team-enjoying-experience-with-n-m-ice-wolves/#:~:text=MONDAY%20GAME%20RECAP:%20The%20Ice%20Wolves

        4. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

          They also scrimmaged a lower ranked adult men's team (who were in no contention for any sort of title, in any way) and got completely handled. I forget the score but it was of course a complete blow out.

          Footage from some of the event shows the guys were full on fucking with them at times. Like Mike Tyson boxing a child.

          1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

            If it’s the one I’m thinking of that happened in the last 6 months, it was a retired mens team of age 40+ male players that just dominated the Womens National Team. And, yes, they were toying with the women, playing one on 11 keep away at times, or having one guy dribble (I can’t remember, is this the right term for soccer?) the ball through 11 to score.

            1. Ajsloss   8 months ago

              The US Women fielded a team for The Soccer Tournament in 2023 ($1 million to the champs) and they went 0-3, getting outscored 24-1. This year TST had a men's bracket and women's bracket.

              1. Ajsloss   8 months ago

                Slaughtered 12-0 by a team full of youth/retired players for Wrexham.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47m40z-fLfE

                1. Chumby   8 months ago

                  The men wrexham when they playem.

    5. Idaho-Bob   8 months ago

      Mounting evidence from exercise science indicates that women are physiologically better suited than men to endurance efforts such as running marathons. This advantage bears on questions about hunting because a prominent hypothesis contends that early humans are thought to have pursued prey on foot over long distances until the animals were exhausted.

      Bullshit.

      Proof –
      https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a20823734/these-are-the-worlds-fastest-marathoners-and-marathon-courses/

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Hey, just because female runners in marathons take 20% longer than males does not mean their superior physiology has not been oppressed. For example, they could all be pregnant (or running in zig-zags to avoid getting pregnant).

      2. mad.casual   8 months ago

        Yeah, it's a Scientific American article from a year ago.

        The underlying science was even more astounding, saying things like men having more fast twitch muscle fibers and larger glycogen stores means they were more dedicated to short bursts of activity and that women were better at long-distance activities. Rather than the known facts that the more fast twitch means greater rate of force production and the greater glycogen stores means, again demonstrably, the ability to maintain said rate of force production longer.

        It's like looking at a 15L semi-tractor engine and two 100 gallon tanks, comparing it to a 1.5L sub-compact engine and a 30 gallon tank and concluding that the 1.5L sub-compact is more apt to have been chosen for endurance and long-haul activities while the 15L was predominantly used for short bursts.

        It wasn't even nonsense.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Or just look at actual sport results.

      3. Social Justice is neither   8 months ago

        I can see where that results in a lessening of the advantage for men but all evidence rejects a reversal.

    6. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      https://townhall.com/tipsheet/madelineleesman/2024/10/07/spains-first-team-of-all-trans-men-competed-in-mens-soccer-it-turned-out-exactly-how-youd-expect-n2645809

      Over the weekend, Spain’s first soccer team consisting only of biological women who think they are men competed against a men’s team.

      The “trans men” lost the match 19-0.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        Crap. Didn't see minadin's post.

        1. Minadin   8 months ago

          No worries!

    7. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

      Oh I remember this one.

      Definitely a ret-con wish fulfillment specifically to curry favor with the gender cult.

      “ACCCTSHUALLY women were sometimes the hunters!”

      Reminds me of the African women depicted on woman king. Just because it may have happened, rarely, in a specific circumstance, doesnt mean it wasnt far and away the most rare outcome and overall basically barely happened.

      But of course, basing their reasoning on rare edge cases is the entire foundation of the tranny movement. Its why they put so much weight on the extremely rare ambiguous intersex cases, which represent almost none of the actually tranny cases.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        Didn't see "woman king" yet. I was disappointed in the lack of diversity in the cast.

    8. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

      There was a time when that rag was worth reading, but like "Fortune" and "The Economist", the publisher decided it needed a bit of lefty bias, until it capsized to port.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Bad enough when pop science pubs go woke, but the same thing has been happening to academic science journals.

      2. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

        It went downhill before 1980. I remember where I was living when I cancelled my subscription, and I moved out of there in April 1980.

        SciAm then used to lead with a political article, always skippable, but the rest were good science, and Martin Gardner was always a treat. This particular issue's political lead article's thesis was that Communist capitol cities were better places the capitalist capitol cities. Its prime example was the two Koreas. One picture showed the northern capitol -- dark, gray buildings, empty streets. Another picture showed the southern capitol -- crowds of shoppers, color galore, store windows full of things to buy. And these pictures were chosen by the author, not someone trying to make fun of him.

        I kept rereading it, trying to figure out where the parody was, and finally just gave up and cancelled the subscription. The rest of it was still good, but I wasn't interested in supporting such nonsense.

        1. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

          "One picture showed the northern capitol — dark, gray buildings, empty streets. Another picture showed the southern capitol — crowds of shoppers, color galore, store windows full of things to buy. And these pictures were chosen by the author, not someone trying to make fun of him."

          I dont understand your point. The buildings are neat and orderly (and identical), everyone is being nervously polite and quiet, and the trains run on time. Who wouldn't want to live in this very clear utopia?!

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

            Don't forget their highly "organized" media with no disinformation.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          The account of how and why SA fired Michael Shermer is also revealing.

    9. Nobartium   8 months ago

      This is why laws cannot be made through science alone.

  6. Moderation4ever   8 months ago

    Much like when he was President, Trump has little idea what is actually going on. He seems to be pretty much adlibbing everything he says these days. He is a senile, incompetent, and corrupt. If he is elected we can expect another 4 years of chaos.

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Like the last four years?

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

      Parody.

    3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Parody.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        But what does parody of a parody look like?

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

          Like stupidity.

        2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Mtrueman?

        3. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

          Andy Kaufman?

        4. Chumby   8 months ago

          If White Mike had a twin, that would be a pair o Dees.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

            Just ask DemSalad aka White Mike.

        5. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

          Hihn?

          1. Chumby   8 months ago

            SNICKERS

        6. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

          Chemtard Retarded Statist?

    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      Glad to see you admit the deep State ran a coup against Trump.

    5. damikesc   8 months ago

      Admittedly, the biggest proof that FEMA is not out of money is that Mayorkas says they are.

      Biden: Always able to find money to forgive student loans for gender studies majors, illegals, and foreign wars. For Americans? Well, fuck 'em. They're bigots probably.

      Take up your complaints with him.

    6. JohnZ   8 months ago

      Just like the last four years.!!

  7. KAW   8 months ago

    There is no such thing as a Category 6 hurricane.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      Mine goes to 11

      1. Ajsloss   8 months ago

        Only when you need that extra push over the cliff.

    2. Eeyore   8 months ago

      Tell that to Jupiter.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      It exists in J-school.

    4. Nelson   8 months ago

      As the linked article says. The recent (decade or so) increase in the strength of hurricanes has caused a discussion about whether Category 5 as “everything above category 4” is a reasonable scale. The new, stronger hurricanes are significantly above the Category 5 standard.

      1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        There is a limit to the amount of force the earth can generate in a storm.

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          You not eating crickets and living in a 15-minute city will increase that limit.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          What about a trans-storm?

        3. Nelson   8 months ago

          And yet we apparently haven't reached that limit. What was previously considered the ceiling ... isn't.

          Looking at Venus, it seems like the ceiling for "the amount of force the earth can generate in a storm" is pretty high. Certainly higher than we have seen yet.

      2. Zeb   8 months ago

        Or something new to make people more alarmed. Cat 5 is very rare still. And a big fucking deal by any measure. Calling "Cat 6" a new phenomenon is silly as we have less than 100 years of good data on how big hurricanes get.

      3. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Did the hurricane donate to Act Blue?

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          Referring to a CAT 5 as a CAT 6 could be construed as conservative.

          1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

            Send those Haitians down there to solve the CAT issue.

        2. Nelson   8 months ago

          Man, you people sure are bent out of shape about the beliefs of the Trump assassins. Build a bridge and get over it.

  8. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

    We're 35 trillion in debt. We don't have the money for any department's budget.

  9. Chumby   8 months ago

    You might not be a real woman if your surgically created front hole smells worse than your back hole.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      TMI

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        I hope someone threw up breakfast while reading that.

  10. Randy Sax   8 months ago

    I understand Congress apportions money in specified budgets to different agencies. But that’s not how the average American sees it. The federal budget is one giant bucket when you trace it back. When you take money from the bucket for X you can’t spend it on Y. Regardless of apportionment. So when people say spending billions on aid to foreign countries and illegals programs doesn’t take from the FEMA budget, on a macro scale it does.

    1. Jerry B.   8 months ago

      “When you take money from the bucket for X you can’t spend it on Y.”

      True. You just get another loan, probably from China.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

        Money printer goes brrrrrr

    2. damikesc   8 months ago

      Yeah, can anybody explain HOW Biden is "forgiving" student loans since Congress, 100%, has not approved one single penny for it?

      1. JohnZ   8 months ago

        He will forgive student loans but....we won't forgive him.

      2. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

        I *think*, from various articles hinting at it, that when Congress created the loan programs, they were actually loaning it, not just guaranteeing bank loans, and it includes a zillion ways for students to dodge repayment or at least slow it way down. So paying off canceled loans is baked into it, same as any bank can "forgive" loans.

        1. DRM   8 months ago

          Obamacare replaced Federally-subsidized and -guaranteed student loans with direct-from-the-government loans. The projected profits from taking over the lending were part of how Obamacare pretended not to massively increase the deficit.

        2. Nelson   8 months ago

          That would make it slightly less unjustified, but not much. The death of this terrible idea will be the best thing about Biden leaving office.

          1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

            If you think the Dems won't propose this again in the future, then I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you.

            1. Nelson   8 months ago

              They won't. It's Biden's weird obsession. There isn't a lot of support for it outside of the White House.

              1. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

                How much are you going to offer me for the AZ oceanfront property I have on the market?

      3. Nelson   8 months ago

        "can anybody explain HOW Biden is “forgiving” student loans"

        No, Mike. In a stunning development, I agree with you completely. There is no justification or congressional authorization for Biden’s bullshit loan forgiveness.

    3. Zeb   8 months ago

      Does it? I don't get the feeling that congress thinks that way at all. There's no fixed pot to allocate in the budget and they will spend as much as they can get away with, whether or not the money actually exists.

      1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

        It's at least how your average Joe sees it.

      2. Nelson   8 months ago

        "I don’t get the feeling that congress thinks that way at all."

        It's the exact opposite. Congress is fiercely protective of its "power of the purse". The more generalized their appropriations are, the less relevant that power is.

        It's only by defining what money goes in what pot that their power is exercised. "Here's a few trillion dollars, spend it however you want" isn't how Congressional appropriation works. Intentionally so.

    4. Social Justice is neither   8 months ago

      Except they do that all the time, see SS, medicare or gas taxes. Those are designated incoming taxes so it's a bit different but would Lebanon have standing or State really want to flip the bird so directly at the American people? I'll leave off the NGOs because they honestly hate Americans and America.

  11. Moonrocks   8 months ago

    the Trump administration in 2019, during peak hurricane season...

    Funny, I don't recall a massively botched hurricane response in 2019.

  12. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

    Instant Karma as leftist tries running over Trump yard sign.

    https://x.com/AMErikaNGIRLLL/status/1842894734081015822

    1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

      My BS alarm is going off a bit. Why post a video of you making an ass of yourself?

      1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        Seems legit, what with the face diaper and all.

        1. Rick James   8 months ago

          *looks in mirror*

          How do I make myself look like a lefty retard? I know:

          1. Facemask...
          2. ...

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

        Annoyed wives love shaming their husband's. Will post anything for views.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          I'm going with this is the answer.

        2. Chumby   8 months ago

          Imagine Sarckles’ ex filming when CPS showed up to have a word with him then posting it.
          I’m not in southern Maine, but could translate that accent coming from a drunk fairly well.

      3. Mike Parsons   8 months ago

        ^ this. If it seems too cute, it probably is.

        Definitely deranged people out there, but I dont see them posting L's this bad themselves.

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

          The wife/gf was taking the video and telling the driver she didn't believe in destroying private property. The sound track and the stick with nails are a lot of work for a stupid video. My money says it's real and wife/gf was pissed about getting to work late.

      4. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

        My thoughts, but perhaps she's his ex now, and wants the kids in the divorce.

      5. CountmontyC   8 months ago

        There are people constantly live streaming themselves doing stupid stuff. There have even been people who live streamed themselves committing serious crimes.

      6. Rick James   8 months ago

        My BS alarm went off when the wife called him "Chad".

      7. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

        I think you're correct. The wearing the mask and the wife calling him "Chad" were big giveaways. Then in the replies to the video on X, someone posted another video, purportedly from the same guy (but I can't confirm), where he drives up to a guy pumping gas with a mask on. He asks him if he normally wears a condom when he masturbates. When the guy says, "what," he replies that he figured he's stupid that way since he was wearing a mask alone in the car.

    2. Jerry B.   8 months ago

      He’ll probably sue the home owner.

  13. Social Justice is neither   8 months ago

    Fuck off you regime shill. Have you been talking to Jacob and bad Liz too much?

  14. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

    Maybe this is why the elites want a figurehead like Kamala as President?

    https://x.com/vigilantfox/status/1843461250321350772?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

    The bombshell dropped when Musk suggested that Bill Gates, Democratic mega-donor Reid Hoffman, and other billionaires are “terrified” of a Trump victory because if he wins, the Epstein client list is coming out.

    Musk said this after declaring that there is a “strong overlap” between Kamala's top 100 puppet masters and the Epstein client list.

    Musk called it “mind-blowing” that hundreds of January 6th protesters have been sentenced to prison, yet there’s been no action to prosecute the “worst offender on the Epstein client list.” “That’s insane!” he emphasized.

    “I think part of why Kamala's getting so much support is that if Trump wins, that Epstein client list is going to become public. And some of those billionaires behind Kamala are terrified of that outcome,” Musk said.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Apparently Diddy is willing to bring down Hollywood with him. Rumors of Diddy banging some a list male celebrities while they were kids being shopped to media.

      Entire Democrat funding mechanism is having a bad few months.

      1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

        Diddy didn't hang himself.

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   8 months ago

      Meh, Trump wouldn't publish the unredacted JFK files in full when he was president.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   8 months ago

        There’s some scuttlebutt going around that Nixon wanted to as well just before the Watergate shit hit the fan. Don’t know how true it is, but that could’ve given Trump pause in his first administration.

        1. Rick James   8 months ago

          Two assassination attempts might give him pause.

  15. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    'FEMA has not run out of money'

    And the NFL has not run out of points. And soon, both will buy you the same amount of actual stuff.

  16. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    "an upfront, flexible payment to help cover essential items like food, water, baby formula, breastfeeding supplies, medication and other emergency supplies,"

    If only these things were available in all middle school boys' rooms, like tampons.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      The money can be spent at all the closed stores in disaster areas.

      Can't be spent on hotels where all the FEMA workers are staying, many performing no actual work per FEMA whistleblowers.

  17. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    'Last night it was looking like Milton might possibly become a Category 6, though it's now looking more like a Category 4 storm'

    Meh. Call us when Milton gets to 11.

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      Just give Milton his red line stapler back.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

        Don't fuck with Milton.

  18. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    'In fact, just 9 percent of the agency's personnel (1,217 people) were available to respond to the hurricane or other disasters right now'

    How many are available for DEI training (and for political campaigning)?

    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      FEMA boss defends agency incompetence, says criticism is ‘dangerous’, might hurt their feelings

      http://www.bizpacreview.com/2024/10/07/fema-boss-defends-agency-incompetence-says-criticism-is-dangerous-1492860/

      “It has a tremendous impact on the comfort level of our own employees to be able to go out there, but it’s also demoralizing to all of the first responders that have been out there in their communities helping people, FEMA staff, volunteers,” Criswell said. “Volunteers, the private sector that are working side-by-side with local officials to go out and help people.”

      “I need to make sure I can get the resources to where they are needed, and when you have this dangerous rhetoric like you’re hearing, it creates fear in our own employees.”

      https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1843095899695931884

      FEMA Disaster Preparedness Meeting:

      "We should focus our efforts on LGBTQIA people… they struggled before the storm"

      "FEMA relief is no longer about getting the greatest good for the greatest amount of people…. It's about disaster equity."

      1. JohnZ   8 months ago

        B.S.!!

      2. jimc5499   8 months ago

        Where was all of this defense of FEMA during Katrina? Oh wait! The Dems are in office.

        1. Zeb   8 months ago

          I also remember when it was a terrible thing that W Bush hadn't made an appearance in New Orleans yet a week or two after the disaster. Proof that he didn't care and was probably racist too.
          Which I've always thought was a stupid complaint (whoever the president may be). The last thing you need in a disaster area is a visit from the President with all the security and bullshit that comes with it.

          1. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

            Agreed. No point in added stresses to a damaged infrastructure, especially if the benefit is just a photo op.

  19. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    'New Jersey's government has been shelling out to market the state to European tourists, which is kind of a hilarious (read: disturbing) use of taxpayer dollars.'

    Financially dumb for sure. Much better to market to Chinese tourists. Ask Vancouver.

  20. Chumby   8 months ago

    Fix It Again Tony

    If you earned $500,000 per day, every single day since the Great Pyramids were built—around 4,500 years ago, you would have less than half of what the U.S. government has borrowed since June.

    Think about that. More than 4 millennia of accumulating wealth wouldn’t even come close to the insanity of what the U.S. has borrowed in just a few months.

    This isn’t just unsustainable, it’s the greatest Ponzi scheme the world has ever known. Fiat currency, printed and devalued at will, has turned the global economy into a ticking time bomb. When this system collapses, it won’t be the Western elites who pay the price, it will be you.

    – Two Majors

    1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

      Even in Fallout the bottlecaps are backed by clean water.

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        Anything goes

    2. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      500,000 x 365 x 4,500 = 821250000000

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

        Yeah, someone got carried away.

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          It has been about $855B additional US federal debt between June 2024 and today (per Statista and US Debt Clock). The maths shown there comes to $821B.

          1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

            500,000 x 365.25 x 4,500 = ~$822B.

            Forgot leap year.

            1. Chumby   8 months ago

              I was citing DLAM’s number.

              $855B is still bigger than $822B.

              1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

                I know, I'm just being pedantic.

            2. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

              To be REALLY pedantic, I'd point out that the 365.25 in your equation is wrong, as century-culminating years (ending in 00) don't count as leap years unless they are also divisible by 400.

          2. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

            It's silly numeristic gymnastics. You could count tomatoes harvested or noses picked and be as realistic.

            * Dollars didn't exist for the first 4300 years.
            * Makes no allowance for interest.
            * Makes no allowance for taxes.

            It's about as useful as that spurious correlations web site showing how temperatures climbed as pirates decreased. Why the pyramids? Why $500K? Because the numbers came out. Conclusion first, details to follow.

            http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

            1. Chumby   8 months ago

              Maths is hard for some folks, like as evidenced above, and it helps put into perspective how bad the Biden-Harris regime is not that DC in general isn’t goose stepping along.

              1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

                It's as useful as saying a stack of $100 bills would reach to the moon.

                "every dollar bill has a thickness of 0.0043 inches."

                That's 232 per inch, 2800 per foot, 15 million per mile, 3.5 trillion to the moon. There ya go, our budget reaches to the moon and back, in dollar bills.

                Whoopie do.

                1. Chumby   8 months ago

                  People don’t typically stack then measure the thickness of currency. But they have an idea of what $500K is. You do you. If it doesn’t mean anything to you, maybe spend a few more posts sharing that.

                2. Zeb   8 months ago

                  Yes, it's silly and not particularly meaningful, but I think it is useful for helping people understand just how enormous a trillion is (when talking about macroscopic items on a human scale). And how much bigger than a million it is (which is probably the biggest number most people have much of an intuitive sense for).

            2. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

              I want to know how many football fields could be strung end to end.

              1. Chumby   8 months ago

                Not sure. Biden keeps getting flagged for “Illegal Touching.”

      2. mad.casual   8 months ago

        365

        Your modern, Gregorian bias is showing. You're clearly as wrong as Vance and Trump combined!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

          Calendars are white privilege.

      3. jimc5499   8 months ago

        Actually it would be $500,000 x 365.25 x 4,500 = $821,812,500,000.00

        1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          What about the 11 days we skipped back in 1752?

          1. Quicktown Brix   8 months ago

            Back when the economy ran on whiskey, losing a dozen days here or there was normal.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

          Which is about 2.3% of the $35T debt.

          But the claim is

          "If you earned $500,000 per day, every single day since the Great Pyramids were built—around 4,500 years ago, you would have less than half of what the U.S. government has borrowed since June."

          So I can believe that USG has borrowed ~$850B since June, or about $2.5T/year.

    3. Nelson   8 months ago

      What's your point? If every American worked a full time job for four months at $4.88, it would be the exact same amount.

      It's almost like someone is trying to hide the massive size of the US economy by playing games with numbers.

      10⁵ x 10³ x 10² (pay x years x days) = 10⁸ x 10² x 10¹ x 10⁰ (population x hours x weeks x pay). Framing it the way they did makes it seem like an unreasonable amount of money. It's dishonest.

      And that's coming from someone who desperately wants America to have a balanced budget each year.

      It isn't unreasonable to spend trillions of dollars to operate America. It *is* unreasonable to spend more than you bring in. And it's absolutely insane to borrow to pay the cost of your previous borrowing and think that's sustainable. Or to forget the First Rule of Holes.

      We spend more than we bring in. By a lot. We need to tailor our spending to our revenue. We have $35 trillion to pay off, so the first step is to *stop digging*!

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        That is the accrued debt since June.

        1. Nelson   8 months ago

          Yes, which is why we need a balanced budget. I’m not so crazed as to think we would ever run a surplus and actually start cutting into the debt directly.

          But when the GOP is the more wasteful, higher deficit, anti-trade party, things are getting worse, not better.

          In another thread, Roberta was talking about a sinking fund. I know almost nothing about them, but I came into the conversation late and she must have missed my questions about how it works and how it could be funded.

          It’s the best new idea I’ve heard in a while and it sounds like an actual plan. Right now we have deficit-increasing supply-side economics on one side and inflation-ignoring, deficits-aren’t-a-big-deal fiscal ostriches on the other.

          If you are a fiscal conservative, your chance of having a home in either of the major parties is worse than it’s ever been. It’s been 30 years since we ran a surplus (under Clinton), the only point in my entire lifetime.

          1. Chumby   8 months ago

            Most Americans don’t work so the exercise doesn’t really apply (though some of those folks pay taxes). Fewer pay net positive taxes. Just the accrued debt by the Biden-Harris regime since June is near a trillion dollars. Joe and Kamala borrowing is an astronomical number discounting the “funded” spending. The Madison Ave boomer groomer paradigm wanting govt to take care of personal responsibilities while ignoring core functions and play military adventurist has its consequences and that financially is at the moment north of $35T.

            1. Nelson   8 months ago

              "Most Americans don’t work so the exercise doesn’t really apply"

              No one makes $500,000 per day for 4500 years, either. It's creating a word problem that makes the problem seem bigger by manipulating digits. I did the same thing in the opposite direction, since $4.88/hour is tiny and 4 months isn't long and so it makes the problem seem smaller. But ultimately the sum is the same because math doesn't care about feelings one way or the other. Emotional manipulation like that causes more problems than it solves.

              This is a very real, very serious problem. Hysterics just makes people ignore (and become resistant to) that truth. Hyperbole works fine when dealing with a popularity contest like partisan politics, but it makes solving actual, real, serious problems like the deficit much, much harder.

              We don't have a debt problem, we have a deficit problem. The debt is a function of the deficit. If there's a net deficit, the debt rises. It's not rocket science.

              Just balancing the budget would lower the debt over time. A disgustingly large chunk of the budget is servicing the debt, which is the cost of past loans that are due now. As those loans are discharged, the cost of servicing the debt falls.

              Don't get me wrong, we won't ever stop issuing Treasuries of all types. They serve a much larger purpose than just covering the budget. But it would decrease the volume issued, so the primary reason for issuing new Treasuries would shift away from covering the budget and towards more strategic uses.

              "Just the accrued debt by the Biden-Harris regime since June is near a trillion dollars."

              You make my point for me. If it was just Democrats embracing deficit spending, we wouldn't have this problem. Since I was born in 1970, there has only been one small part of one Presidency that hasn't run a deficit. Not even one full Oresidency, one part of one term.

              If you pretend that the problem only comes from one party, you are being dishonest. The only difference between the parties is what they choose to deficit-spend on, not whether they're willing to deficit-spend. Your anger is about spending priorities, but you try to dress it up in a deficit-hawk costume.

              If you were actually concerned about the deficit, you would be as angry about supply-side economics and deficit-exploding corporate welfare and tax cuts as you are about the various wasteful Democratic policies. But you aren't.

          2. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

            In another thread, Roberta was talking about a sinking fund. I know almost nothing about them, but I came into the conversation late and she must have missed my questions about how it works and how it could be funded. It’s the best new idea I’ve heard in a while and it sounds like an actual plan.

            Hamilton discussed this sinking fund in the Federalist papers. Yes, it can work.

            1. Nelson   8 months ago

              Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant it's new to the discussion of our present mess, as far as I can tell, not new to the world.

              Which mechanisms could be used to implement it in a modern economy was the thrust of my questions. Roberta seems to have a more detailed grasp on the minutiae of macroeconomic policy implementation, based on some of her previous posts, so I directed it to her. But if anyone has ideas or knows about implementation paradigms, I'm all ears.

              While simple solutions over time are the only means of solving this mess, I'm always willing to add a new, practical way to accelerate the process to my worldview ... one which, admittedly, no one will ever implement because politics.

      2. A Thinking Mind   8 months ago

        We need more 15 year olds to join the work force and carry their fair share.

        1. Nelson   8 months ago

          15? You're soft. If they aren't full time by 12, they're slackers!

      3. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

        "It isn’t unreasonable to spend trillions of dollars to operate America." If you want an entity "operating America" and doing everything imaginable for everyone everywhere, while inflating the money supply beyond all recognition.

        1. Nelson   8 months ago

          Anarchy is disastrous, so government is necessary for a functioning society. The scale of funding necessary for that government is dependent on the size of the nation (physically, economically, and systemically).

          I agree that the willingness of both parties to print money is a huge problem. Smaller government with less intrusion into everyday lives is the ideal solution. A balanced budget is a necessary element of that solution.

          A balanced budget amendment would be excellent. Implemented over time it would be like a salary cap in sports. It wouldn't prevent administrations from overspending on programs, but it would force them to make tradeoffs if they wanted to pay for something new.

  21. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    Can't you see why people put these two things together and get "Biden Admin cares more about Lebanon than it does US citizens hurt by hurricanes?"

    On Oct 2, Mayorkas said, "We are expecting another hurricane hitting. We do not have the funds. FEMA does not have the funds to make it through the season and what is imminent."

    On Oct. 4th., VP Harris touted $157M more money sent to Lebenon. From Dep.t of State Website:

    The United States will provide nearly $157 million in new U.S. humanitarian assistance to support populations affected by conflict in Lebanon and the region. This funding will address new and existing needs of internally displaced persons and refugee populations inside Lebanon and the communities that host them. The assistance will also support those fleeing to neighboring Syria.

    This life-saving assistance from the American people includes nearly $82 million immediately available through the Department of State’s Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration and $75 million through the United States Agency for International Development’s Bureau for Humanitarian Assistance.

    The United States provided nearly $386 million over the last year to support vulnerable populations in Lebanon and Syria impacted by the increase in conflict.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      https://x.com/VP/status/1842710797241434259

      Vice President Kamala Harris
      @VP
      The people of Lebanon are facing an increasingly dire humanitarian situation. I am concerned about the security and well-being of civilians suffering in Lebanon and will continue working to help meet the needs of all civilians there.

      To that end, the United States will provide nearly $157 million in additional assistance to the people of Lebanon for essential needs such as food, shelter, water, protection, and sanitation to help those who have been displaced by the recent conflict. This additional support brings total U.S. assistance to Lebanon over the last year to over $385 million.
      7:37 PM · Oct 5, 2024
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      1. JohnZ   8 months ago

        Time to put an end to ALL foreign aid....that includes israel.

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          To be fair most foreign aid is a money laundering scheme so a lot of that does come back to the elite.

        2. Nelson   8 months ago

          Isolationism isn't the answer to anything. We are as successful as we are because of our influence throughout the world, which is directly related to foreign aid. The idea that withdrawing from the world would benefit America isn't a serious position.

          A turtle that is always pulled inside its shell will eventually starve.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   8 months ago

      How much has been spent in Ukraine again?

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine

      2. Nelson   8 months ago

        Not enough to kill enough Russians to make it stop, but just enough to prevent them from brutally annexing even more land that isn't theirs.

        There's a special place in Hell for Vladimir Putin and the Russian military.

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          ^ supporter of Donbass genocide and deficit spending to warboner. John McCain is looking up at you from hell and smiling. Lindsey Graham is winking at you.

          1. Nelson   8 months ago

            Donbas genocide? What nonsense. The Donbas is Ukrainian, not Russian. Calling the defense of a nation's sovereign borders "genocide" is ridiculous.

            We are getting a great return for a relatively small investment. We are defending democracy against expansionist aggression without risking American lives. We're standing up for valuable ideals of freedom without risking American lives.

            Supporting an ally who is fighting against a brutal invasion by a vicious, authoritarian, imperialist country is good, not bad. It also isn't an American war by any stretch of the imagination. Ukrainians are fighting to remain free. We are helping them. That is a good thing.

        2. Jefferson Paul   8 months ago

          Weren't you just lamenting that neither party is fiscally responsible? But hundreds of billions for Ukraine is not fiscal irresponsibility (especially when we're 34 trillion in debt already)?

          1. Nelson   8 months ago

            And I said that isolationism is slow suicide for America. We have to be engaged in the world. We display our beliefs through our actions. Opposing tyranny is an excellent way to spend money because it demonstrates to our allies that we are dependable and worthy of being their partners.

            The "as long as we have a debt, spending on A, B, and C is unjustified" is pure partisan nonsense. Even if we passed a balanced budget amendment tomorrow, it would be decades until we could eliminate the debt.

            Pretending that 100% of our spending has to go to eliminating the debt is a bullshit proposition. Where we spend and what we spend should be a cost/benefit analysis.

            Helping Ukrainians kill invading Russians at a relatively cheap price while demonstrating our steadfastness to our allies and our ideals to the world is about as clear a benefit as it gets.

            The same goes for Israel in its war against Hamas and Hezbollah. Could Israel be better, especially in their settlement and occupation policies? Absolutely. They aren't angels because no one is. But should we support our ally and oppose brutal terrorists? Absolutely. And it's worth every dollar to do it.

            Remember it's not Amrican lives, it's just dollars. If we send in troops either place it's a totally different conversation. But helping allies resist brutal enemies with monetary support is a no-brainer.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Doocy asked Jean-Pierre Monday about the Biden administration asking Congress for approval to fund Small Business Association disaster loans to help areas hit by Hurricane Helene, but not to send funds to a foreign country.

      "On this issue of funding, the administration has money to send to Lebanon without Congress coming back. But Congress does have to come back to approve money to send to people in North Carolina. Do I have that right?" Doocy said.

      1. damikesc   8 months ago

        I loved her answer of, basically, "You're wrong...but you're correct"

        1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 months ago

          Aaaaaand this morning they announce moar student loan forgiveness - without Congress.

          Doocy quoting Biden “ show me your budget and I’ll show you your priorities”

    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 months ago

      I have a solution, confinsate all money and assets from fema employees to aid the hurricane victims

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

      Maybe if North Carolina launched a few missiles at Israel.

    6. chemjeff radical individualist   8 months ago

      Can’t you see why people put these two things together and get “Biden Admin cares more about Lebanon than it does US citizens hurt by hurricanes?”

      It's a ridiculous apples-to-oranges comparison. The government does lots and lots of things (too many things!) and just because the government does one thing over here, it does not necessarily imply that the government doesn't "care" more about that other thing over there.

      In that same period of time, the government ALSO spent money on Social Security checks. Would it be fair to say that "Biden cares more about well-off seniors in retirement in Arizona than about suffering disaster victims in North Carolina"?

      In that same period of time, the government ALSO spent money throwing migrants into detention at the border. Would it be fair to say that "Biden cares more about putting penniless migrants into cages than about suffering disaster victims in North Carolina"?

      The last time you had a meal at a restaurant, would it be fair to say "Medulla cares more about eating at an expensive restaurant instead of suffering disaster victims in North Carolina"? Of course not.

      1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

        Why do you insist on making a bigger stooge of yourself??

        1. Mother's Lament   8 months ago

          Fifty cents a post.

        2. Chumby   8 months ago

          His ignorance is only matched by his girth. Such a waist.

      2. Rick James   8 months ago

        It’s a ridiculous apples-to-oranges comparison. The government does lots and lots of things (too many things!) and just because the government does one thing over here, it does not necessarily imply that the government doesn’t “care” more about that other thing over there.

        Sure it does. The optics alone on this completely putrid. Giving single dollar to Lebanon to distribute into what will probably wind up as weapons acquisition-- or in the pockets of its corrupt leadership is the most discretionary of discretionary spending. It is the Luxury Belief of Luxury Beliefs. Hell, at least the student loan forgiveness-- as odious as that is-- is going into the local economy. What it does tell you is how disconnected this administration is from the events on the ground in this country. And everyone keeps whining "no one's in charge!" which is factually incorrect. Someone is in charge, it just ain't Biden.

      3. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

        It is fair to say that the Biden-Harris admin cannot react worth a damn to exogenous events = The government does lots and lots of things (too many things!) and just because the government does one thing over here, it does not necessarily imply that the government doesn’t “care” more about that other thing over there.

      4. XM   8 months ago

        SS is paid through FICA, dude. It is basically mandatory spending. It goes to all eligible Americans, like FEMA resources, unlike welfare checks to illegals or subsidies to ballparks. YOU'RE the one making apples and oranges comparison. According to your ridiculous logic, if we're running out SS funds but give another 50 mil to Ukraine right on schedule, Americans have no grounds to be outraged because "we spend on other things like jailing migrants".

        Twisting facts to advance a narrative? Yeah, all you. "Gee why do you trust Myorkas when he say FEMA ran out of hurricane funds when you accuse him of lying" Ah, so they do have money, but Myorkas shat on himself by lying. Got it.

        The government failed those stranded on the mountains. FEMA failed to anticipate the needs of people more isolated from big cities. That's it. Game over. Someone blocked viable roads. Someone delayed the deployment of troops and helicopters. Someone didn't ask the federal government for help after his state was hardest hit. Someone is hampering private aid efforts by subjecting aids to inspections. "Oh, but FEMA isn't literally taking away private donations" Only you and the MSM engage in this kind of sophistry to further your agenda.

        The funding issue is merely an attempt to explain their failure. And by every measure, it is an issue. If the cops and hospitals of your city were set to close due to lack of funding but the government forgives student loans (against court order) and gives Ukraine another 50 mil right on schedule, the citizens have every right to complain about their spending priority. That the funding are "separate" is a meaningless distinction. The democrats move heaven and earth to fund their pet projects. They were perfectly capable of funding BOTH FEMA and migrants. They didn't.

        You exist to hate Trump. So your agenda is to harp on Trump on technicalities, while ignoring the fact that FEMA failed your fellow countrymen. Just like you huffing and puffing after republicans making DEI an issue after secret service under Biden was utterly exposed as incompetent. You have a disease. The first step to recovery is admission.

  22. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    'Inside the minds of Nevada's double-hater voters.'

    Assuming these people have (functional) minds, are ya?

  23. Earth-based Human Skeptic   8 months ago

    "Continuous partial attention"? Is that what we want to call infantile lack of self control now? Since I am not your mommy or you kindergarten teacher, if you answer your phone while we are talking, our conversation is over and I will walk away.

    And if you injure me or my family with your car while "partial attention" driving, I will end you.

    1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

      I had this happen about 20 years ago. Some friends and I used to go to an annual fair, and one year, they kept yakking on their phones, going away by themselves to get away from the fair sounds, and pretty soon they had all drifted off, so I went on my own way too. Later they complained about me going missing, and we never went to the fair again together. Good friends otherwise, but clueless.

      1. JohnZ   8 months ago

        Wanna bet they drive that way as well.

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 months ago

          One was a school counselor and drove a Jeep Wrangler because it looked cool. I bet my MR2 saw more dirt.

  24. damikesc   8 months ago

    "Of course, trying to scale up capacity to process ever-larger numbers of asylum hearings arguably makes more sense than paying up to $700(!) per migrant plane ticket. That money has to come from somewhere. But Trump should not claim his opponents are misdirecting FEMA funds or abandoning Americans during their hour of need when that isn't the case."

    It seems to be very much the case.

    1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

      Why are migrants getting airplane tickets?

      1. Randy Sax   8 months ago

        Trains don't have the greatest reputation when aiming to transport masses of people.

        1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

          California on line 2….

      2. Dillinger   8 months ago

        so the feds don't have to count them as border crossers.

  25. JohnZ   8 months ago

    FEMA is another government bureaucratic agency and like all the others is not only corrupted but incompetent as well....describes the Obiden administration to a "T". As one witness put it after working with these clowns, he stated, "they couldn't find their own ass with both hands."
    The failure from Katrina and E. Palestine,Oh. indicate FEMA is about as useless as tits on a boar. It's time to defund and disband FEMA. Like most every other government agency it has become a welfare/workfare program for those who barely achieved their GED.

  26. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 months ago

    "...but the agency is facing a wild staffing shortage and being battered by an extremely intense hurricane season that does not appear to be letting up..."

    Well,
    ".. A season that went from daunting with Cat 5 Beryl to questionable with an August lull to catastrophic with Helene isn't likely done yet..."

    Is Liz taking lessons in hyperbole from Trump? Or just lying?

    1. Chumby   8 months ago

      This hurricane season is going to be yuge.

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   8 months ago

        The best. Only the best hurricanes.

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          Everyone is talking about it. It is going to be the biggest.

          1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

            You’ll be blown away!

  27. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    They should not assess storm damage in $$$. The same storm 5 years ago tearing down the same houses and flooding the same businesses would be a "less damaging storm" because of inflation or a tight housing market?

  28. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

    https://babylonbee.com/news/fema-arrests-noah-for-running-unauthorized-flood-rescue-operation

    ASHEVILLE, NC — FEMA arrested Noah this week after they caught the prophet attempting to help rescue people afflicted by the floods.

    "This is an unapproved rescue operation and we will not tolerate such behavior," FEMA Spokesman Randy Tarwater told the press. "We apprehended Noah and his so-called ‘ark' attempting to save human and animal lives. That's not what FEMA represents."

    After Hurricane Helene annihilated entire communities, the Prophet Noah steered his ark into needy areas to help rescue stranded Americans. FEMA reportedly blocked the seer and told him his saving people was really getting in the way.

    "I tried to bring a large shipment of food and water into Appalachia, but FEMA turned me back and told me if I tried to deliver any more supplies they'd arrest me," Noah said. "But I've never been one to take the directives of naysayers to heart so back I went! That's when a guy put me in handcuffs and hauled me away. FEMA even impounded my ark! I worked so hard on that thing."

    As of publishing time, FEMA had confiscated all Noah's animals and auctioned them off to pay for another $50 billion to Ukraine.

  29. mad.casual   8 months ago

    double-hater

    Is it just me or does this term feel completely astro-turfed, like a thing someone is trying to make happen, to anyone else?

    Like ‘undecided’ or ‘independent voter’ wasn’t motivating enough political violence so they went with something a little more passionate.

    1. Dillinger   8 months ago

      is what happens when chicks name everything.

    2. Ajsloss   8 months ago

      like a thing someone is trying to make happen

      Very fetch.

    3. Rick James   8 months ago

      Yeah, it feels 100% astro-turfed to me. Like we're going to hear it used 700x per day over the next couple of weeks and then *poof* it'll be gone from the lexicon.

    4. Chumby   8 months ago

      Extra base hits are always welcome. Not everyone can smash a bunch of dingers.

  30. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Is FEMA withholding aid to victims?

    wow ... touch some grass.

  31. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>Is FEMA screwed, though?

    concern for the federal agency seems lol'able given the forum.

  32. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>The cherry on top of this whole thing is that the Trump administration in 2019, during peak hurricane season, pulled $271 million from Department of Homeland Security programs

    got heem? don't know whether to applaud or be very sad what if this is the apex of your career as an investigative jornolist?

  33. Rick James   8 months ago

    The default often appears to be a kind of continuous partial attention.

    FYI, author Neal Stephenson called the syndrome "continuous partial attention" during early internet and the rise of email. Email... how bad do you think it is now?

  34. Ajsloss   8 months ago

    being battered by an extremely intense hurricane season that does not appear to be letting up

    Bitch, please. Just last month they were talking about how it's been the quietest season in decades.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      They always predict catastrophe. I keep this around for just such an occasion:

      “2006: Expect Another Big Hurricane Year Says NOAA”—headline, MongaBay .com, May 22, 2006

      “NOAA Predicts Above Normal 2007 Atlantic Hurricane Season”—headline, National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration press release, May 23, 2007

      “NOAA Increases Expectancy for Above-Normal 2008 Atlantic Hurricane Season”—headline, gCaptain .com, Aug. 7, 2008

      “Forecasters: 2009 to Bring ‘Above Average’ Hurricane Season”—headline, CNN, Dec. 10, 2008

      “NOAA: 2010 Hurricane Season May Set Records”—headline, Herald-Tribune (Sarasota, Fla.), May 28, 2010

      “NOAA Predicts Increased Storm Activity in 2011 Hurricane Season”—headline, BDO Consulting press release, Aug. 18, 2011

      “2012 Hurricane Forecast Update: More Storms Expected”—headline, LiveScience, Aug. 9, 2012

      “NOAA Predicts Active 2013 Atlantic Hurricane Season”—headline, NOAApress release, May 23, 2013

      “A Space-Based View of 2015’s ‘Hyperactive’ Hurricane Season”—headline, CityLab .com, June 19, 2015

      “The 2016 Atlantic Hurricane Season Might Be the Strongest in Years”—headline, CBSNews, Aug. 11, 2016

      “NOAA: U.S. Completes Record 11 Straight Years Without Major Hurricane Strike”—headline, CNSNews, Oct. 24, 2016

      For more “Best of the Web” from The Wall Street Journal’s James Taranto

      1. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

        Y'all can now see the virtue in the saying: Don't Meth With Texas Rednecks... They can no more shut up than comprehend deductive inference.

        1. Chumby   8 months ago

          The swirly purple fell out of the basic and thus crafted.

  35. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>>As far as I can tell, one of the biggest changes across organizations over the past few years is simply the rise of distraction. The default often appears to be a kind of continuous partial attention.

    hey loser your lack of ability to pay attention is you. we are not borg.

    1. JohnZ   8 months ago

      It seems more of the distraction by LGBTQXYZ123.
      It seems a number of FEMA workers were too busy adjusting their dresses and applying makeup to do their jobs.

  36. Dillinger   8 months ago

    >>If Israel does attack Iran’s oil production

    fewer money to be made in Iran for O and the Crony Bunch.

  37. Roberta   8 months ago

    "Inside the minds of Nevada's double-hater voters."

    Though some were quoted or referenced as interested in "issues", the only actual public policy issues mentioned were getting the chemicals out of food and corruption out of government, by a Trump voter.

    1. Nelson   8 months ago

      "corruption out of government, by a Trump voter."

      Wanting to get corruption out of government and being a Trump voter are mutually exclusive. And that's only considering the candidate himself, never mind his various nepo-baby offspring and their spouses.

  38. JohnZ   8 months ago

    As has been reported on other sites, FEMA sent in an Army helicopter to an all volunteer relief site to batter it with the wash from the rotor blades.
    Saw lots of canopies and relief materials flying all over the place.
    Good work FEMA, you just let everyone know you're nothing more than another government agency controlled by the neo-Marxist communists in the White House.
    The government hates us all.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      I'm not an expert, but I though civilian aircraft had to have a prominent N-series number?

      Rotorcraft, must be at least 12 inches high

      Can't see any markings on that helicopter.

  39. Uncle Jay   8 months ago

    "Is FEMA withholding aid to victims?"

    No.
    The problem is FEMA can't the supplies from point A to point B.
    That's how incompetent they are.
    This demonstrates once again FEMA's incompetence and makes one wonder why it shouldn't be defunded and disbanded.

  40. SRG2   8 months ago

    This is a futile discussion.

    For Trump supporters, everything he says is true, though it may not be factually true it's true at some higher level of abstraction

    FEMA must always be criticised because it's the Feds, and Biden-Harris.

    States must never be criticised for lack of planning or incompetent response as long as the governors are Republicans (unless the governor has contradicted Trump).

    1. damikesc   8 months ago

      Tell me more on how Bush fucked up Hurricane Katrina.

      Don't worry, I'm a patient man.

      You frequently do not like the rules you set up. Such is life.

      1. SRG2   8 months ago

        Deflection

        1. Don't look at me!   8 months ago

          Comparing

          1. SRG2   8 months ago

            Nope.

    2. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

      Tatsuya Ishida, the cartoonist striving to bring back Nipponese detention camps, is hard at work braying this FEMA crap on Sinfest. The hard part is figuring whether he's taking NSDAP money and cranking out grist so pathetically overdone it is satirical--or if he has actually bought into the old Jews are Satan and Hirohito is God faith like half the masked socks infesting this forum.

      1. Chumby   8 months ago

        You could save everyone’s time by just typing Hodor.

    3. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

      Such is the profit in arguing with spellbound hillbillies Trilbied by their replacement Orange Jesus. Another response was found when this became a fad in Germany.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   8 months ago

      Seriously? Tell me how no one ever criticized Bush or FEMA after Katrina.

      1. SRG2   8 months ago

        Seriously, deflection.

    5. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

      I told you this had legs, and you did not believe me.

      This did not age well for you, SRG2.

      1. SRG2   8 months ago

        How so? It is still the case, Do Trump supporters ever concede that Trump lies, let alone with the frequency he manages to? Or do they find ways to argue that somehow he's telling the truth.

        Have any pro-Trump posters here said that FEMA are doing a reasonable job or at least not as terribly as alleged, and that Harris deserves little criticism?

        Where are the pro-Trump posters criticising De Santis, for example, for his incompetent response?

  41. LIBtranslator   8 months ago

    When some disgruntled republican finally draws a proper bead on Lizard's role model, I get first dibs on this copyrighted epitaph:
    Here lies Donald Trump... as usual! --Libertariantranslator epitaph™

    1. Chumby   8 months ago

      Act Blue donors = Republicans again? D-. Try harder next time.

      1. Nelson   8 months ago

        Still giving away rent-free space in your head? Beliefs determine ideological identity. Nothing will change that. Build a bridge and get over it.

    2. MT-Man   8 months ago

      Joke rating 0 out of 10.

  42. JFree   8 months ago

    But other Persian Gulf states like Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates could expand production to make up that volume, easing pressures on international prices, experts say

    Not a surprise that the NYT has less than zero knowledge about either oil or the Middle East. Like the Straits of Hormuz don't even exist. Good to know that nothing will happen. 'Experts' say so.

    What a fucking moron.

  43. Commenter_XY   8 months ago

    @Liz Wolfe....Channel your inner Nancy Rommelman and go to Ashville and Bat Cave. See for yourself. Talk to some locals, and trust me when I tell you, the guys 45-65 will talk to you Ms. Wolfe (just saying).

    When you write about something like this, maybe see with your own eyes before wielding your mighty pen. I think this is actually worth a look, if you can persuade your Reason Masters to put up R&B for a few weeks. Just in time for the election.

    You were Just Asking Questions and golly gee, what answers you got is a hell of a byline.

    1. Chumby   8 months ago

      Will there be cocktail parties and boutique vaping juice in Asheville?

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   8 months ago

      Sadly, journalism has become reporting on what other people are saying.

  44. TJJ2000   8 months ago

    Here's a thought....

    Maybe not even a natural disaster is an excuse to use 'Guns' against others to fix-it. I know right; heaven forbid those 'Guns' were used to ensure Liberty and Justice for all - oh no ... They've got to be used to STEAL for every mishap under the sun.

    Funny how people get Angrier and Angrier when Gov - 'Guns' are all over the place yet before they'd all volunteer to pass water buckets to put out a fire. CHARITY =/= Poking Gov-Guns.

  45. lwt1960   8 months ago

    The whole article rests on the author’s interpretation of Trump’s comment which “implied” funds were stolen, ie, her opinion. All her other claims are verifiably false. Trump is a pretty target rich environment for this sort of piece. You can at least pick ones where he is guilty of more than hyperbole.

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