Tim Walz's Very Bad Answer on Social Media Censorship
The would-be vice president is wrong to say that misinformation lacks First Amendment protection.

Toward the end of Tuesday night's vice presidential debate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) argued with Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) about former President Donald Trump's efforts to remain in power following his 2020 election loss. Trump's conduct was indefensible, and thus Vance did not do a very good job defending it. Rather, he attempted to turn the tables on Walz, accusing the Democratic ticket of disrespecting the most important democratic norm of all: free speech.
You are reading Free Media from Robby Soave and Reason. Get more of Robby's on-the-media, disinformation, and free speech coverage.
"You guys attack us for not believing in democracy," said Vance. "The most sacred right under United States democracy is the First Amendment."
Vance went on to accuse Walz of wanting to criminalize misinformation, referencing previous, inaccurate comments the governor made about exceptions to the First Amendment. At that point, Walz actually interrupted Vance, and claimed that the First Amendment does not protect misinformation or "threatening or hate speech."
Tim Walz doubles down on his claim that "misinformation and hate speech" aren't protected by the First Amendment. pic.twitter.com/cGeoWEJnF1
— Alpha News (@AlphaNewsMN) October 2, 2024
In other words, misinformation, threats, and hate speech are all unprotected categories of speech, according to Walz.
But the governor is mostly, very wrong. He's correct to note that true threats of violence lack First Amendment protection if they are specific enough. Misinformation and hate speech are absolutely protected by the First Amendment, however. And while the former is a relatively new category of expression facing explicit calls for censorship, the latter category—hate speech—has been exhaustively litigated before the Supreme Court.
Don't Hate the Player
Walz defended his position by glibly asserting that it is constitutionally impermissible to yell "fire in a crowded theater." This is an oft-expressed sentiment—and one that's completely and utterly false. It comes from the Supreme Court's odious opinion in the 1919 case Schenk v. United States, in which the majority held that the government could stop people from distributing leaflets opposing World War I. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes likened such activism as akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater; in other words, he believed that raising doubts about the desirability of the U.S. participating in such a global catastrophe was dangerous, and could be prohibited.
Today we recognize that the right to criticize U.S. military policy and oppose foreign wars is an essential component of the First Amendment. And the Supreme Court agrees: Schenk was gradually overturned by subsequent decisions. The right to engage in speech that the government might deem reckless, dangerous, or hateful was explicitly affirmed in the 2017 case Matal v. Tam, in which Justice Samuel Alito observed "the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express 'the thought that we hate.'" It could not be more simple: Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment.
This shouldn't be surprising; after all, if hate speech constituted unprotected speech, it would create all sorts of problems. What counts as hateful speech is purely subjective. Religious people, for instance, might find blasphemy to be hateful—but it's sufficiently obvious that the federal government cannot criminalize criticism of religion. Similarly, political figures might determine that their opponents running attack ads against them are examples of hateful messaging. If censorship was allowed on this basis, there would be no end in sight.
It's incredibly common to hear otherwise informed persons try to draw some distinction between hate speech and free speech, but they are misinformed: From the standpoint of the First Amendment, there is no recognized difference. Hate speech is free speech.
Misinformation is no different. The Supreme Court has not specifically taken up the question, but it should be sufficiently obvious that people can disagree on what is true and what is false. The Enlightenment principle that undergirds the First Amendment and democracy itself is that the best way to counter bad information is to allow everyone to speak. Investing some central government authority with the power to determine what is true can backfire horribly, since the government is frequently wrong. Indeed, the COVID-19 pandemic provides a powerful illustration of why criminalizing misinformation is a fraught project: Time and time again, the expert consensus among government bureaucrats was proven to be flawed, incomplete, or flat-out wrong. People need the right to disagree with one another, and with their government. Thankfully, Americans enjoy that protection under the First Amendment. There is no misinformation exception.
It's true that many progressive elites wish that they had the power to censor misinformation. Take, for instance, former Secretary of State John Kerry, who recently lamented that the First Amendment was a "major block" to tackling this problem. The tone of Kerry's remarks suggests that he is not altogether thrilled about this. But as he begrudgingly acknowledges, the U.S. is different from every country on earth, in that its laws significantly constrain the federal government's speech-related policy making.
Walz, however, doesn't seem to recognize this fact. That's very worrying. After all, the Biden administration went to great lengths to test the boundaries of the First Amendment and pressure social media companies to engage in suppression of disfavored speech. That was the thrust of Vance's criticism: He accused Democrats of counteracting democracy for explicitly supporting censorship on social media.
Walz could have neutralized this line of attack by affirming that the federal government cannot and should not work to forcibly remove misinformation and hate speech from internet platforms. He declined to do so. Worse than that, he clearly considers misinformation to be a form of expression that is beyond the realm of First Amendment protection.
This Week on Free Media
We are taking a two-week hiatus, but Free Media will be back later this month. I'm pleased to announce that we have expansionary ambitions, and will be working with a new producer to deliver even more content.
In the meantime, here was Rising's reaction to the veep debate.
Worth Watching
I am now all caught up on The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power. I initially gave it a very mixed review, but the second season has grown on me.
This is mostly due to a single performance: Charles Edwards as the elven smith Celebrimbor, who falls under the influence of the dark lord Sauron (Charlie Vickers). In the most recent and penultimate episode of Rings of Power, Sauron traps Celebrimbor in sort of time-displaced prison within his workshop and gaslights him into completing work on the rings while orcs lay siege to the city around them. It's an inspired plot point.
Too many of the Rings of Power characters are one-dimensional and uninteresting—the dwarf Durin, the elf Arondir, basically everybody in Numenor—or pail imitations of their better-loved selves from the films (Galadriel, Elrond). But Celebrimbor is relatable and tragic: Sauron's manipulations of him are subtle and believable. I'm reminded of another one of my favorite lesser characters from a popular work of fantasy: Qyburn, the twisted ex-maester in Game of Thrones. Neither Celebrimbor nor Qyburn are evil; they're just curious, and thus vulnerable to corruption. They can't help themselves if they see a shiny object and wonder what they can do with it.
Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.
Please
to post comments
You do realize there is plenty of cause to be skeptical of the 2020 election, right? Even coming from a stance where you personally believe there were no vulnerabilities, you can still grasp that someone could be completely deluded. To say Trump's actions after the 2020 election are indefensible is a denial of his criticisms and that he genuinely believes them. Even worse is that if he and other Republicans are right then the election was legitimately stolen and almost nothing has been done to eliminate or minimize opportunities for cheating.
Walz's "fire in a crowded theater" comment was dumb within reason. His attitudes towards free speech more broadly are rightfully concerning.
Never forget this.
https://mtracey.medium.com/the-most-predictable-election-fraud-backlash-ever-4187ba31d430
Where's the mathematical proof that this guy is correct? That's your previously expressed standard - in response to other posters. Or doesn't it count when you're the poster?
Reminder. For shrike his first impulse is to believe government, especially with the cleanest election ever narratives. Ignore the actual courts who ruled on illegal election changes. Ignore statistical improbabilities that Venezuela mimicked, Ignore missing ballot images, Ignore Pennsylvania destroying ballot envelopes, Ignore all the other issues... trust the state. Same thing Maduro demands oddly.
Some things for Shrike to mule over.
If lying was protected speech, perjury and fraud wouldn’t be crimes.
fraud wouldn't be a crime if people would check references.
Are you kidding?
Fraud is a crime because our economy, society as a whole, couldn’t function if it wasn’t criminalized.
There isn’t enough time in a day to fact check everything.
This is why all lying needs to be criminalized.
Good. We can start by imprisoning you for life. Are you prepared to plead guilty to your crimes and set an example? Or will you be traveling to Iran to fight for them on the front lines in their war to exterminate the Jews?
Sorry, Rob, you're wrong. Fraud is a lie where something is stolen or taken under false pretenses. Perjury is when someone swears to tell the truth in court, and if they lie there can be legal and/or criminal penalties.
But if someone calls a person's mother a whore, and she's not, that is certainly protected speech. I could come up with a 1,000 other examples.
Calling your mother a whore, when she isn’t, isn’t protected lying speech, it just isn’t a crime yet. Big difference.
It should be.
You don’t believe in the bill of rights. How expected. Amd let me guess, you have a set of rules for what is considered ‘the truth’, right?
You keep coming back with this retarded shit. Probably because you are a retarded Nazi. The 1st absolutely protects lying. The fact that there are narrow circumstances where lying is part of a crime does not refute that.
And it continues to be very funny that a holocaust denier like yourself thinks that criminalizing lying would work out well for you. Even putting aside the question of whether your retarded views are correct or not, who do you think is going to be in charge of deciding what qualifies as a lie? Probably not your Nazi buddies.
You can’t refute that perjury and fraud are crimes of lying.
If it was “retarded shit” that you can’t refute, what does that make you?
This was explained to you above. There’s more involved than just lying. And is your bizarre fetish about this something of your own creation, or is it the big thing over at Stormfront?
Are you relieved that a fuckwit troll responded for you?
FOAD, slimy pile of TDS-addled shit.
My problem with Trump and others who declared the election to be fraudulent is they made an emotional decision and then went searching for justification.
It wasn’t “Hey look at this evidence, there was something wrong with the election,” it was “I feel the election was stolen, and by golly I’m going to find some evidence to prove what I feel!”
Post hoc or whatever it’s called.
I don’t think people with that point of view should be censored. However I also do not think they are rational enough to, say, be president.
Post hoc or whatever it’s called.
Sarc's expertise in the field of logic is truly dizzying!
Look how deftly he maneuvers through all these binary choices all while he ma he’s to avoid be gaslit by our many strawmen. He has truly ‘ascertained’ the situation.
Issues were being pointed out before the election. Other things like major statistical anomalies were predicted, but couldn't be substantiated until after. Most challenges were denied standing. Challenges before the election were dismissed because there was no harm yet and challenges after were dismissed as being too late. The shit was never properly litigated and pertinent data was denied or destroyed.
You mean absentee ballots? That was a genius move by Trump. He sowed seeds of distrust among his followers so that many would not vote by mail. Closer to the election he appeared to have changed his mind, but the doubt had taken root. So many of his followers who would have voted by mail chose to vote in person. The result was a higher proportion of in-person votes for him and a lower proportion of mail-in votes for him. He created the discrepancy in advance so if the election didn't go his way he could blame mail-in ballots. Absolute genius.
Hey more fake liberal narratives for sarc. The ultimate result was around a 58/42 split in mail in ballots. Knowing this can you tell us why dumps of 95% occurring late at night seems statistically improbable? All in one direction. With Fulton County even missing images of these ballots?
Work it out. You claim to be intelligent.
""The result was a higher proportion of in-person votes for him and a lower proportion of mail-in votes for him."'
This I agree with.
"" He created the discrepancy in advance so if the election didn’t go his way he could blame mail-in ballots.""
This is bullshit. I don't believe you have any way of knowing Trump's intentions therefore it's just projection. I doubt Trump thought it through that far.
This is bullshit. I don’t believe you have any way of knowing Trump’s intentions therefore it’s just projection. I doubt Trump thought it through that far.
You don’t have to believe me. I don't really care. But I saw people calling it before the election.
They said something along the lines of “He created a situation where he’s going to get a higher percentage of votes in-person than mail-in, and if he loses he is going to blame mail-in ballots.”
And that’s exactly what happened.
Maybe he personally didn’t come up with the idea, but someone thought it out in advance.
I was saying that the moment the Rs were demonizing mail in ballots. It's an obvious outcome. That doesn't mean Trump or his admin did it for the purpose of creating chaos.
If I were to speculate what Trump wanted, it was to win by a landslide, and not create a shit show that would make his win questionable. But the pandemic came. Standing rules were broken to accommodate people who did not want to expose themselves to groups during the pandemic. The R's have a point about broken rules during an election.
But flip the script. If Trump would have won, would the party of get him out by any means objected to the rule breaking in an attempt to keep Trump out of office? Probably. Would it have worked? Probably not. Just as it hasn't for Trump.
I was saying that the moment the Rs were demonizing mail in ballots. It’s an obvious outcome.
Not to his defenders. To them it’s proof of election fraud.
You could see that outcome from a mile away, as could any other thinking person. That means Trump, or his team at least, saw it coming. They had to have.
That doesn’t mean Trump or his admin did it for the purpose of creating chaos.
The fact that they could see it coming, and then blamed the discrepancies on fraud, tells me that it was done purposefully. Sure I can’t prove it. But the fact that it played out in such a predictable fashion tells me that it was planned.
""That means Trump, or his team at least, saw it coming. They had to have.""
Seeing it coming isn't the same as planning it that way. You claimed he created the discrepancy in advance. That is what I am disagreeing with.
That's fine. As I've said, if the obvious outcome of telling his people to not trust mail-in ballots is to create a discrepancy between mail-in ballot and in-person results, thus "proving" his allegations of fraud, why wouldn't he do it on purpose? You think it was just some fortuitous accident that bolstered his claims of fraud? Nah. It was too perfect to not be planned. In my opinion. Guess we can agree to disagree.
1) It’s 1920, girls can vote AND get into speakeasies after decades of being barred from saloons. 2) God’s looters ban so much trade and production that the economy collapses. 3) Liberal party touts repeal, Dems copy that plank, gals vote Dem and Republicans LOSE five elections in a row. 4) IDEA! Double down banning production and trade, plus pack courts so women can be enslaved to reproduce or die! 5) Then bawl “we wuz robbed!” Vandalize property. Lose again.
An absinthe minded post.
They will continue to ignore all evidence while worshipping the state narrative. Even when the left admits to trying to influence election procedures.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
Absentee ballots are completely different than vote by mail. Only a moronic Democrat retard like you would conflate them.
EVERY election has "issues". And if one were to examine the issues in a rational, non-emotional state, one would naturally say "sure, there are some issues, but let's see what effect these issues will have on the outcome." THIS time, however, because of Trump sowing the seeds of doubt even before the election, among other things, the emotional response took over and it became "look at these issues, IT'S PROOF THERE WAS FRAUD".
Trump doesn’t have to sow anything, Fatfuck. All we need to do is pay attention to the crooked actions of Democrat secretaries of state, and the endless lawsuits designed to facilitate fraudulent election activities.
But you will endlessly deny everything and defend every crooked action. Thats the Pedo Jeffy guarantee.
If every election has issues why is it so difficult to believe that the issues in 2020 were enough to affect the outcome? Why are we supposed to not take a closer look? After all a switch of only a 150,000 votes in certain states could easily have changed the final outcome.
Everyone knew what the democrats were going to pull going back at least as far as spring 2020. Just like we know they’re about to pull the same bullshit, plus some new shit, this time.
Get ready for endless blanket denials from the JeffSarc, Shrike, Mod, Mtrue, and the rest of our menagerie of Marxist morons.
This is new? When Tilden beat the stool out of Hayes by a landslide in BOTH the popular and electoral college vote, Comstockist Republicans bleated, Republican soldiers with fixed bayonets counted the vote tally and claimed they'd won! Nixon lost, pouted, sued and lost again. Today's girl-bullying Comstock looters LOST bigly in the popular AND electoral vote and vandalized buildings in clown suits with no bayonets. This is proof that a stampede of superstitious hillbillies is incompetent to add or subtract, much less operate a political State.
Right, because destroying the evidence of origin for ballots is CERTAINLY not even remotely criminal behavior.
My problem with Trump and others who declared the election to be fraudulent is they made an emotional decision and then went searching for justification.
Yes, but the Donkeys would never do this, right?
Haha!
Going into the election, I figured Trump was going to lose legitimately. Then I watched all night as one discrepancy after another kept popping up. The water main break in State Farm Arena in Georgia was the first one. I kept saying, that's weird, it's such a big burst pipe that the whole arena needs to be evacuated? Then they started sending everyone home, including the poll watchers. They announced they would stop counting and reporting for the night and resume 9am the next morning. Then they continued to count the votes and report them without the poll watchers they sent home.
And one by one, PA, MI, WI started doing the same thing. Go home, we're done counting and reporting totals until the next morning. I finally went to bed around 3:00 AM. I woke up around 8:00AM to find that not only did they continue counting ballots without poll watchers, they reported totals that were so heavily for Biden it would have sounded alarms for the UN for an election in Russia or Venezuela. A period of about an hour or so where almost all of the mail-in votes went for Biden. You can look at the graph of the states' vote totals for each candidate over time and you see this vertical line that reflects nearly all going for Biden.
I woke up and saw all of that and suspected election shenanigans. I didn't need Trump to tell me he thought the election was stolen, as I'd already suspected that based on what I outlined above. Then I dug into it and found more and more "irregularities."
Much later it came out that there was NO WATER MAIN BREAK IN STATE FARM ARENA. How can you just repeat the same talking points when NO ONE has explained what the fuck that was?
That is in a Trevor cartoon in the Albuquerque newspaper archives. The Creationist tells the suckling "We start with this theory, then we search for facts to support it." Trevor used to be a cartoonist in Reason back in the Carter-Reagan-Burning Bush era.
You do realize there is plenty of cause to be skeptical of the 2020 election,
I agree – causes like “not understanding election procedures” or “believing Donald Trump/Rudy Giuliani/Squidney Powell/Mypillow guy” or “being unable to read court decisions” will lead to scepticism.
The election procedures that multiple judges ruled are illegal? Great argument shrike.
In my mind anyway, there are three possibilities with respect to Trump and the 2020 election:
1. He refused to acknowledge he legitimately lost because of his gigantic ego.
2. He knew he legitimately lost the whole time, and he used the 'Stop the Steal' movement as a grift for his campaign.
3. There really was massive fraud which threw the election and Trump knew about it.
I will say that there is evidence for all three of these possibilities, but the evidence for the third one is the weakest of them all. Personally I think the most likely possibility is #1, with a little bit of #2 thrown in for good measure.
It was payback for others refusing to recognize the legitimacy of the 2016 election, and using law enforcement amd intelligence resources in support of denial of the 2016 election.
Would the team of get him out by any means turn to cheating in an election if all other means failed?
I'm not saying they did it, but I am acknowledging that they had motive and desire.
What they did in reaction to the 2016 election is the foundation for this belief.
I'd go for Door #2. Trump lucked out because Hillary and Obama both spat in the faces of potheads tired of being robbed and shot. Gary offered an alternative so Dem bolters likely were half the 4+ million LP votes. That explains why the Dems suddenly favored repeal. Now that the change has occurred, the LP is a threat to the GP, hence the Anschluss.
The LP is a pathetic joke, thanks to leftist assholes lie, you that think you’re libertarians. When you’re really an open border neo Marxist.
I think he believes what he says while he’s saying because he’s a pathological liar like Hillary. So when he’s away from cameras and microphones it’s #2, but as soon as he’s being recorded his brain flips to #1.
Is that how it works for your pathological lies?
That's my main issue with Reason. Jack Smith is literally charging Trump based on claims of what Trump actually believes, inferred from beliefs of a lawyer and Pence. I didn't know libertarians agreed with crimes based on 3rd person inference on state of mind.
So conspiracy crimes don't exist in your world?
Like conspiracy against rights?
Isn't that one of the charges? You could charge most politicians with that.
Sure, like conspiracy against rights. Or any other conspiracy-based crime.
For a conspiracy-based crime, there has to be some evidence that the conspirator had ill intent.
IDK, I can only think of one politician ever to be charged with that which shows the bias of the action.
It's like not ticketing anyone for jaywalking except the undesirable one.
Conspiracy against which rights?
Hey Fatfuck, we get it. Laws are just optional tools to be wielded solely at the discretion of important democrats, and exactly as they see fit.
Do you understand that should these assholes you worship ever consolidate power, that you will not have a seat at the table? Most likely they’ll throw you in a gulag or simply put a bullet in the back of your fat head just to show everyone who is in charge.
Oh, I fully imagine Jesse will respond with "SO YOU ARE DEFENDING JACK SMITH NOW????"
You historically provide cover for lawfare and other democrat wrongdoing.
you can still grasp that someone could be completely deluded. To say Trump’s actions after the 2020 election are indefensible
Sure. We're an open-minded bunch here. Let's give Trump the same leeway we give to those that fell for Russia-gate, Hunter's laptop or the 100% safe and effective lies...
BTW, I do think Trump believes he won the election just like Son of Sam believed he got orders from a devil dog. Being delusional does not justify any behavior. He has every right to question the results and fight, but the ice is pretty thin around alternate electors and "find the votes."
I'm not sure what's so bad about "find the votes". He didn't say to create the votes. Didn't he also say to do it by whatever the appropriate legal means are (or was that another of the Georgia charges?). I think it's another case of Trump being Trump and doing things in his own unique way. I can only imagine that any campaign dealing with a close election result that they don't like will make similar requests, albeit in a less Trumpy style. And with a less hostile media environment.
Hi Zeb.
"I just want to find uhh 11,780 votes...You know what they did, and you're not reporting it. That's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. And you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that's a big risk."
I say "find the votes" is thin ice (not necessarily indefensible) because although it could be an innocent request, the president telling you to find the votes is equivalent to the FBI "requesting" misinformation to be removed by social media companies. The most powerful man in the world said those words.
I don't remember him saying anything about finding the votes by appropriate legal means. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
I agree that other campaigns would do the same but less Trumpy. But Trump’s a bully and as president that often puts him on thin ice.
Yeah, fair enough. Trump just can't help himself sometimes. I really wish there was someone better with a chance of getting elected. Yet, here we are.
Yep.
He's the best from an entertainment perspective though. And seeing the establishment crushed again if he wins will be nice.
Why did you leave out the prior 5 minutes of conversation when he is literally talking about illegal votes his lawyers identified? The votes he was referring to?
Elections can be ruled illegitimate if number of illegal votes exceeds the winning margin. It has happened 3 times in the last 4 years.
Do I have to link the transcript yet again?
As usual, Jesse tries to have it both ways. He argued for months and months that if Biden "requested" that social media companies remove "misinformation" from their platforms, then that "request" is equivalent to a threat and no different than the government attempting to censor the companies itself. But here, Trump is very directly demanding that Raffensberger "find the votes", and Jesse of course wants to pretend that this is nothing more than a good-faith innocent request, not a threat, not evidence of ill intent. That is of course bullshit. But expecting Jesse to have consistent standards on anything is a fool's errand.
Those things aren’t remotely similar. Goddamn you’re reaching harder than that time when the remote control was over a foot out of your reach.
Why did you leave out the prior 5 minutes of conversation
It's irrelevant to my point. If I spend 5 minutes explaining why someone should give me their wallet saying, "It's mine. It was stolen from me," and seeing I'm not making progress, pull out a gun and demand the wallet, does that 5 minutes mitigate the crime?
Alternate electors isn't thin. It is based on. Standards from two different prior times it was used while courts will still deciding election cases. The reason for it is due to constitutional requirements on dates of electors. The people who submitte them even told courts publicly when the electors were to be changed over. They were very public about it. There was zero fraud.
How is this still not understood?
If you are referring to the 1876 election, that was a downright dirty stolen election. That is not a precedent that anyone should want to adopt in good faith.
If you are referring to Hawaii 1960, what made the 'alternate electors' legit was that the state government of Hawaii CHANGED THEIR CERTIFICATION, after their recount concluded and before Jan. 6, 1961. The *change of certification* is what made the 'alternate electors' legit, not their mere presence.
It is based on. Standards from two different prior times
Standards? The situations of alternate electors are quintessential “thin ice” if not outright criminal situations.
They were very public about it.
As were the 9/11 terrorists. That doesn’t make it right.
There was zero fraud.
Overturning an election is the crime I’m concerned with whether fraudulent or blatant.
How is this still not understood?
Because the evidence is not consistent with that narrative.
JD Vance is wrong about Tim Walz.
Tomorrow in Reason…
“J.D.Vance is wrong about everything”
Chumby, about what, specifically?
Vance didn’t call Walz a knucklehead, Walz called himself that.
And he was right.
Of onky Walz would cop to being a devout Marxist and ChiCom asset.
“or pail imitations of their better-loved…”
They’re buckets?
IOW Walz is folksy but wrong. Shocker.
I am still determined to do what the GOP suggested. Don't vote for the old senile guy.
Good thinking.
A vote for Harris is a vote for Biden's second term.
I thought he was somehow mistakingly referencing Elizabeth Warren.
Shrike is on board for more of the same.
Chase could've gotten a less senile veep, but of all the contestants, is still the only one proven to get 3 to 200 times a many votes per donated dollar. He wants no cops to shoot anyone over weed, does not want to ban electricity because Warmunist Sharknados, and is not the least bit interested in attacking women's clinics or confiscating assets until the economy crashes. To that is added the spoiler vote clout that accidentally elected Geezer Donnie in the first place--and QUICKLY changed Dem party legislative priorities.
The would-be vice president is wrong to say that misinformation lacks First Amendment protection.
At least he's not weird.
He sure looks weird in the stills I've seen from the debate.
He looks like Marshall Applewhite
So who is more batshit crazy? Walz, Hank Phillips, or Applewhite?
Did Robbie just recycle Greg Lukianoff's post from yesterday on Walz's free speech fail?
Tim Walz is byproduct of his mother fornicating with barnyard animals.
Huh. So he and Vance are related?
No Hank, you and Walz are related. You probably fucked whatever animal popped him out.
Didn’t Free Media just take a two week hiatus? Do some fucking work, Robby.
And your cohost on Rising is a fucking lunatic. I know JD Vance is wrong on everything (and weird, to boot), but his negatives are higher than Walz?! The guy that authorized his state to shoot at people on their own property? Walz should never be within a million people of the Presidency, let alone a heartbeat away.
I am now all caught up on The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power
Why would you admit this?
Rings of Power is wrong about JRR Tolkien.
Because they're not judgy cuntbags like you?
Is this an example of arguing in good faith?
You’re just angry that you can’t get Jesse to bottom you. So you’re stuck with Fatfuck and Shrike
Ideas!
Have you seen any of the show, or anything about it?
Gotta do the progressive virtue signalling.
Like wearing a mask and a rainbow porcupine shirt while posting on social media about covid compliance.
Razor's post-debate analysis.
Watched it. Very funny, and true.
"Tim Walz's Very Bad Answer on Social Media Censorship."
Walz' answer on social media censorship was wrong but honest.
The left has a slobbering love affair with controlling information.
Walz' answer is a good example.
^ This
So this is Reason, the libertarian mag, and talking head Robbie hasn't a word to say about OUR candidates. Granted the wannaVeep Oliver has to drag around is tainted by the Jesus Caucus. But wouldn't that be all the more reason for Robbie to offer at least one libertarian to fill the debate shortage? The Lizard, the Papist Brainwashee and now Robbie are way better at infiltrating to cheer girl-bulliers than stopping those same mystics from murdering folks in their homes because Plant Leaves--or forcing women to die by banning birth control.
What are your thoughts on The Rings of Power?
I can't fucking believe the best you have is nuh-uuuuuh
Walz defended his position by glibly asserting that it is constitutionally impermissible to yell "fire in a crowded theater." This is an oft-expressed sentiment—and one that's completely and utterly false. It comes from the Supreme Court's odious opinion in the 1919 case Schenk v. United States, in which the majority held that the government could stop people from distributing leaflets opposing World War I. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes likened such activism as akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater; in other words, he believed that raising doubts about the desirability of the U.S. participating in such a global catastrophe was dangerous, and could be prohibited.
Schenk was effectively, though not expressly, overruled in Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), replacing Holmes's absurd analogizing being anti-war with falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater with the current "imminent lawless action" standard that is much more respectful to the right to free speech. Walz was expressing his desire that we return to a standard of free speech that would allow the government to imprison you for merely disagreeing with its foreign policy.
It’s on,y a problem if your disagree with a democrat narrative. Attacking republicans is just ‘speaking truth to power’. Even if the republican being shouted down isn’t in power.
Walz isn't wrong, he's lying. There's a difference. He knows that such censorship is forbidden by the constitution, he just doesn't want it to be.
If you break the law and never face any consequences for doing so, if you think you benefit from breaking said law you're going to keep doing it. The Federal Government will continue to use its power to stifle speech that opposes it until people start winding up in leg irons over it. Or at the very least until they are forcibly removed from government for it.
Posted in the roundup that greaseball Newsom signed a bill outlawing social media posts he doesn't like.
Well:
"Federal judge blocks Gov. Newsom’s newly-signed ‘deepfake’ law"
[...]
"BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) — A federal judge late Wednesday blocked a law Governor Gavin Newsom signed earlier to restrict the use of so-called election “deepfakes.”
“Deepfakes” are manipulated images, audio, video or other forms of media appearing to show fake footage or recordings of candidates during events that never actually happened.
Just two weeks ago, Newsom signed a law specifically requiring large, online platforms to remove deceptive and digitally-altered content related to the election."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-judge-blocks-gov-newsom-s-newly-signed-deepfake-law/ar-AA1rEjGv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=02c1bee9be6e499f9d67a1e8b9bbabe1&ei=25
Greaseball has this belief that the Constitution allows him to do what he wants.
Vance is wrong about Robby Soave being wrong about Tim Walz. Also toasters.
Lol
Remember though, vote, reluctantly but strategically, for Harris-Walz - because Orangeman bad.
Megan McCardle, a WAPO editorial writer, praised a school for going ahead with a discussion of transgender athletes in the face of pushback from folks who didn’t want to hear it, and mentioned Governor Walz’s misunderstanding of the 1st Amendment.
The Post’s commentariat goes right along with Walz, showing the same disdain and misunderstanding that he showed. These are the opposition.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/03/free-speech-transgender-library/
Robby with Reason's daily defense of election fraud and justifying journalists as regime propagandists.
This is pedantic. Walz is obviously not familiar with the right-wing obsession with censorship. If he was he would know taht it is a rhetorical mistake to mention fires in theatrers because the Poindexters always jump all over that one.
That question during the debate caught him off-guard because Vance was using his Yale law school sophistry to deflect from the moderators question. Walz's mistake was falling for the trap and hence, articles like this.
The left and the right both censor. Vance tries to act like some kind of 1st amendment purist but it is complete BS. Trump is going around threatening to shut down networks because they don't cover his rallies and criticize him. But Vance is up in arms because we are trying to protect ourselves from foreign governments from spreading confusion? Student protesters are getting expelled because they sumpathize with Palestinians getting bombed continuously. Elon is blocking left-leaning xitter posts. This is all so surreal.
Government under Biden is pressuring social media to squelch stories.
Trump is talking shit in public.
Not the same.
"Student protesters are getting expelled because they sumpathize with Palestinians getting bombed continuously. " Not exactly. Most of them are being arrested because they are vandalizing and destroying property, kidnapping janitors, and illegally taking over campus buildings. None of which is protected speech.
And harassing/attacking Jewish students too.
Would the Harris/Walz administration stop spreading misinformation about drugs through NIDA and the DEA ect? Wil they crack down on Kevin Sabet and SAM? Will they stop quoting Reefer Madness as fact?
You’re missing the point-
THE ONLY WAY TO DISCERN INFORMATION FROM DISINFORMATION/MISINFORMATION IS OPEN, PUBLIC DEBATE.
How have you not learned that since 2020?!?!?!
That's 100% predictable.
Democrats don't really believe anything in the US Constitution or having a real USA.
They believe in a 'democratic' [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire.
As-if they haven't completely demonstrated that in bloody everything they have done since the very beginning of the USA.
We need to get rid of them.
Do you have a Let’s Go Brandon decal on your truck? Or is it a Fuck Joe Biden decal?
Also is it bigger than your Fuck Inslee decal?
“My [WE] mob RULES!!! Yours sucks!!!” /s
That’s the problem with you ‘chicken pecking’ bird-brained leftards.
Everything is about which [WE] identify-as group gets to TAKE and which one’s you TAKE-FROM on you never-ending quest to RIP people off. Never once struck with a single speckle of principle (US Constitution) that ripping people off isn’t what the USA is about.
So yeah; F Joe Biden and his ‘Students get to RIP off the working’ and etc, etc, etc [D] robbery bills.
Practically the entire left belongs in prison – not in politics.
And it shows with 70% registered [D] prison rate for criminals.
Thanks for the advice
I don’t do bumper stickers. Ever. Not like you, with your ‘will bottom for trannies’ bumper sticker.
Walz is a dyed in the wool communist, which explains his hatred for the First Amendment, I suspect he has a problem with the entire Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
This fat little Marxist has no business getting anywhere near Washington. Between he and fellow communist, Harris, they will tear up the Constitution and Bill of Rights, toss them into the fire and burn the rest of the country down with it.
You can't say the election wasn't rigged and Biden got 81 million votes in the same breath.
Biden benefitted from the Jan 6 joint session being disrupted.
Soave, what does "Trump's conduct was indefensible" mean?
You suck, and by that I mean "dick".
Are you implying that Robby and Binion are having some kind of homosexual affair?