Trump's and Vance's Attacks on Haitian Immigrants Reveal a Complete Lack of Decency
Weak after-the-fact "collaboration" in no way substantiates or justifies cruel allegations against Haitians in Springfield.

Sen. Joseph McCarthy rose to prominence in the 1950s as he leveled wild allegations about communist infiltration in the U.S. government. Communism was an international threat at the time—and some sympathizers had indeed gained positions of power—but his recklessness turned into a witch hunt that destroyed lives and ultimately undermined the cause he was touting.
His popularity collapsed precipitously after an exchange during one hearing, where he accused U.S. Army attorney Joseph Welch of having a colleague with communist ties. In one of the most famous—and effective—retorts in political history, Welch said: "Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness…Have you no sense of decency?"
The last sentence has become a common retort whenever one's political opponents become unhinged. It's one that sprung to mind as former President Donald Trump and his vice presidential pick, Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio), have continued to repeat baseless claims about Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio. As Trump said during his debate with Vice President Kamala Harris: "They're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats."
Have you no decency, sir? Are there no limits to your cruelty or recklessness? Are you unconcerned about the impact of such allegations on the individuals and families who live there—or the resulting bomb threats and disruptions after you spewed such falsehoods? And why has Vance doubled down on this nonsense even after these stories have been debunked?
The whole cat-eating nonsense was first promulgated by actual neo-Nazis, per a Wall Street Journal report. The newspaper did what the Trump campaign was unwilling to do—some basic fact-checking on its veracity before spreading it to a national audience. Vance at one point argued that whatever the specifics, he was focusing needed attention on the problems of immigration in the heartland.
There's nothing wrong with sparking policy discussions about immigration, its impact on rust-belt communities, and the strains it places on social services and whatnot. But accusing actual human beings (ones here legally, no less) of falsehoods as a way to illustrate some perceived problem—and endangering them in the process—is an outrage. It's unconscionable for a man who touts his Christian devotion. Thou shalt not bear false witness, you know.
We can lay some of the blame on Miss Sassy. That's the Springfield cat that went missing in August. My long-haired orange tabby Marigold disappeared for a spell a few weeks ago, but I didn't file a police report accusing my immigrant neighbors of taking her, as the Springfield cat owner did. But that's apparently what happened. When pressed on the source, Vance pointed to that police report.
The Journal did some basic legwork. The sassy kitty showed up a few days later in her owner's basement—and the owner publicly apologized to her Haitian neighbors. Fair enough. An apology from Trump/Vance also seems in order, but MAGA never admits mistakes or backtracks. Now Trump plans a trip to Springfield to stir the pot some more, even as local officials beg him not to come.
Some conservative journalists even went on the hunt to confirm pet-eating stories and one published a piece alleging that immigrants from another continent might have been eating pets in a different Ohio city. It shouldn't need to be said, but weak after-the-fact "collaboration" in no way substantiates or justifies cruel allegations against Haitians in Springfield.
The Dispatch's Kevin D. Williamson nails it: "The case against the Haitians isn't that they are welfare malingers or cat-eaters—or even that they are illegal immigrants who came here thanks to Joe Biden's lax border enforcement, which most of them aren't. The real issue is that by working overtime and investing in the community, they have made life more challenging for a reliable Trump-voting constituency: marginally employed white people on the dole."
If you don't think he's onto something, then you're missing the often-abominable attacks on Haitian immigrants published on X and other sources.
I got my start in journalism in a small Ohio city (Lima). I understand the difficulties facing struggling rust-belt towns that are losing population and are now besieged by social problems. But an influx of hard-working people can be a boon. Springfield companies are thrilled with the Haitian workforce. Newcomers present challenges, but dying cities endure worse challenges (falling revenues, collapsing home values, crime).
As a final note, like Vance my wife took that Hillbilly Highway out of Appalachia. I guarantee these migrants had some unusual habits before assimilating into middle-class culture. Our nation literally was built by "illiterate exotics from distant lands," Williamson added. I'd say it's a core reason for our country's greatness.
To politicians and their supporters who disparage people who've done nothing more than come to America for opportunity, I'll repeat Welch's words: Have you no sense of decency?
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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No, scapegoat-seeking Trumpanzees gone apeshit (to include the leadershit of Trump and Vance... Shit flows downhill, ya know...) do NOT have any decency!
Next question?
I do not understand the purpose of such an article. What is Reason wishing to effect with this observation?
Is there any reason why such Haitan nationals are in suvh US communities from a legal standpoint? How about a practical standpoint? As I understand US law, those entering the US outside the specified process and awaiting a judgement of their status are to be DETAINED. The Haitians don't belong there similar to the other millions that have entered as part of the Cloward and Piven strategy in progress. If you dispute this please explain why the ingredients and oven temperature are identical.
Rearranging the deck chairs should be left to design professionals. Back up to see the big picture.
Big picture includes that we (as humans or as Americvans or as both) have passed laws against being witches, being gay, being runaway slaves, and on and on. "Legal" doesn't make right, and "illegal" doesn't make wrong. It is a simple concept to grasp, for those willing to think.
Well Hell’s Bells, just pass some laws against, and rally the internet trolls and the Proud Boys for some street fights against being illegal sub-humans, trannies, accused “groomers”, abortionists, gays, heathens, infidels, vaxxers, mask-wearers, atheists, dirty hippies, Jews, witches, or, the very WORST of them all, being one of those accused of STEALING THE ERECTIONS OF OUR DEAR LEADER, right, right-wing wrong-nuts? ANY methods are OK, so long as they are used against the CORRECT enemies, am I right?
Most Haitian, Venezuelan, Nicaraguan and Cuban migrants are in the US lawfully with work visas valis until August 25, 2025. Springfield welcomed the Haitians to fill critical labor shortages identified by the US Labor Department. You would be surprised at how many red state communities with zero unemployment and no in-migration by US citizens have a similar welcome policy. Now that you have this information, how do you really feel about the Trump-Vance Haitian attacks. Ohio's very Republican governor has called these attacks out as ugly and unwarranted.
aronofskyd is a WITCH!!! A truth-speaking WITCH!!! THIS can SNOT be tolerated around here!!! BURN the aronofskyd-WITCH!!!
Holy Horrors book https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1573927783/reasonmagazinea-20/
The very republican, never trumper, neocon warmonger republican.
He’s one of you.
Sounds like you’re spreading bullshit democrat narratives. Now that you have that information, how do feel about being a neo Marxist propagandist?
Readers should look into what “Cloward and Piven strategy” is if they’re not familiar, fuck me running:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy
Translation: WAAAAH! Reason kicked sand in my senile girl-bullier's wattles!
I heard that Mike Pence tortures and EATS our cats and dogs!!!
HANG MIKE PENCE!!!
Also, Bible-Banging Trumpanzees... Please check THIS out! https://www.openbible.info/topics/trump
The hatians are animals and need to be sent back to hatti.
You eighter personally foot the bill for the damage they cause or fuck off and die.
Time to put your money where your mouth is Steve.
Those damn hatians from hatti, always making hats. Where do you think the red hat you wear on your head was made? Springfield
Your mother-aunt didn't school you so good, did she?
“Reason’s Attacks on Trump and Vance Reveal a Complete Lack of Decency”
I corrected the title of the article.
What kind of church would ever ordain someone like you? Let me guess. Bigotedracistclergywelcomed.com
He's not an actual Reverend, he's an internet troll who surfaces here occasionally to spew hate and racist rhetoric. He's nothing, so don't sweat it.
Ok, liberal faggot.
Trump and Vance see America through the lens of Mad Max. To hear them speak the world is dying and the hoards are taking over. And they have to make up stories because if you look out your front door everything seems to be well. Springfield, OH like many other places in this country has recruit immigrant workers to help the local economy. What happens when those workers are not available? When people's communities are filled with shuttered factories.
Parody
Then they would have to resort to actually hiring Black Americans.
Do you fund it funny that even the fed chief came out and said bringing in 6M for 1M jobs isn't exactly a winning strategy?
Can anyone tell me what the 20,000 jobs are that suddenly appeared in Springfield over the last four years? You would think such an economic miracle in a small depressed city would make some headlines, at least in the business section.
https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/opinion/375011/feds-and-state-ag-investigate-an-alleged-human-trafficking-empire-run-in-springfield-ohio/
My quick internet search yields mainstream news sources all claiming ~ 10,000 Haitians just spontaneously decided to go to Springfield because of “economic opportunities”.
Horseshit.
Free government funding is technically an opportunity.
The influx occurred over years and because there were job openings.
Your internet search skills clearly suck, sparky.
Do you leftists just lie for fun or is it pure ignorance?
They feel justfied saying anything, due to their existential fear of personal responsibility. It really is that simple.
How many years?
Cite? You CAN back that up with something concrete, right?
The influx occurred over about 3 years, because Haitians were steered and in many cases transported to Springfield by people hoping to profit from them, such as employment services and slum landlords. There absolute have not been 20,000 new jobs created in Springfield in the last three years.
They’re getting housing vouchers in amounts far greater than the prevailing rents as they were prior to the influx of these illegals.
Cite?
https://x.com/bud_cann/status/1763657344700076311
“Chicago’s 9th ward Alderman Tony Beale says illegal migrants, especially Venezuelans, are receiving vouchers for $9000 a month for housing, food, dispensable cash, etc. “
...hence, the Haitians are unemployed, and "eating the pets of the people who live there", right?
Imagine if half of Congressional and Senate Democrats, the entire Biden administration, and the mainstream media had clung to the story about Vance fucking couches. Who's to say his admission wasn't in an earlier version of his book prior to publishing. He looks like a practitioner of the "Fifi" arts. It wouldn't surprise anyone if he was really into fucking furniture. I'm not going to say I believe it, but I can't say with any certainty that I *don't* believe Vance fucked a couch, spilling his rich, manly seed all over it, and weakening the couch's leg joints in the process from fucking it so hard. There is really no reason to disbelieve the story other than Vance disputing it. I'm going to have say, I *do* think he is a couch fucker. He is certainly enough *like* a couch fucker that he should not be allowed alone in a room with a sofa or easy chair.
You know what? no one has ever denied Vance fucks ALL inanimate objects every chance he gets. Not even Vance himself has denied it! That is disgusting and anti-Christian! Christ probably never fucked a couch himself, though there is no proof He didn't. Maybe Vance is practicing some kind of Voodoo Christianity that involves ritualistic couch fuckery, just like Jesus himself might have!
See how this fucking stupid, childish game is played? Jesus Fucking Christ. Who the fuck could still vote for those losers?
So you're better off now than when Trump was president, and you want immigrants to get jobs in factories that closed decades ago. The real reason Democratic politicians have opened the borders is if we don't grow the economy a lot (and growing the population is the easiest way to do it - printing fiat doesn't improve the economy with inflation resulting from newly printed fiat chasing the same goods and services people who earned their money are chasing), the politicians/government will break its promises on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
The funny thing about your post: "To hear them speak the world is dying and the hoards are taking over" is that this sentence applies to the Democatic party calling MAGA people (and Trump obviously) the greatest and most existential threat to the country (obvious gaslighting). They keep telling us the "world is dying" from man-made climate change, and the MAGA deplorable hoards are taking over, and they won't have it (Trump winning a democratic election this year) to save democracy.
The irony is thick.
The Democrats haven’t opened the borders.
MAGAts are fascist scum.
Is this a sarc sock to distract from his usually retarded statements?
Pretty sure it's a run of the mill TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
No, they did far more than that. Forget the borders for a minute. Harris is having them flown directly from their countries of origin. Democrats are stuffing our country full of illegals just like they stuff ballot boxes. Recklessly and illegally.
Harris and Walz are America through the lens of Stalinist Russia.
Reason: Open Borders Uber Alles, aka, There is No Such Thing as a Bad Immigrant
Every single immigrant, legal or illegal is a net positive at all times, always and forever.
Go and ask Dominicans about Haitians.
Medulla Oblongata, do You have a PervFected Final Solution to all of these problems? Xenophobia, and hatred of the scapegoats, perhaps, will solve it all?
Every single HUMAN BEING, legal or illegal is a net positive at all times, always and forever. ... If this statement is SNOT true, then we should BURN ALL of these so-called "human beings", which are actually WITCHES!!! Burn them ALL!
Go and ask Demons and the Evil Ones about humans!!! THEY will shoot straight, and shoot ALL of us, and Medulla Oblongata might be well advised to ask, "which side am I really on here anyway"? What am I trying to provoke here, with my sly inSINuations?
Ask the Brits, the Germans and the French.
Ask The Danes and Swedes.
Ask every country throughout the history of mankind while you're at it
Every single immigrant, legal or illegal is a net positive at all times, always and forever.
But no one makes this claim. One should at least attempt to understand the arguments of the people they disagree with. And try to refute the arguments people actually make, not strawman caricatures.
JeffSarc and a large number of neo Marxist democrats make that claim.
Except that absolutely is the argument being made, just open borders zealots are dishonest. It's what's behind their refusal to make any distinctions between legal or illegal
members of the far left Democrat party do _all the time_
Springfield companies are thrilled with the Haitian workforce.
Omegalul, of course they are, it's ultra cheap labor.
Fuck you greenhut.
Nobartium, You are PervFectly welcome to pay TEN and MORE times the prevailing wages for the shit that YOU buy! Butt get Your Ugly Smugly Butt out of MY hair when I want to buy shit at an affordable price! I am NOT holding ANY slaves! At the logical extreme, allowing NO humans to EVER cross borders is... Enslaving them to the Sacred Lines in the Sand!
Citizens must fund 20k immigrants with taxpayers funds so companies can hire a few hundred of them at low cost.
this and part of the reason teh immigrants are so cheap on labor is because they are getting government funded housing and food and health care. heck if Americans had that they could work cheaper too
No they couldn't. Have you seen all of the articles on Reason claiming that Walmart is bad because some of their their employees get government aid?
Links?
Dangerous rhetoric card played.
Tens of thousands of Haitian illegals in the US per Pew:
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/07/SR_24.07.22_unauthorized-immigrants_table-1.xlsx
Give the illegal sub-humans their Magic Papers then, and turn dross into gold! Problems solved! You're welcome!
Like the 'gold' they made in their own nation?
Scratch an illegal-subhumans-hater who SAYS that they merely hate the illegals, and you will quickly, under the paint job, find a xenophobe who hates ALL immigrants, and those who are different in other ways.
I suggest you back up what you say by taking in a number of illegal aliens into your home.
Don't bother checking them out, just open your home to whomever wishes to squat and do whatever they please be it. If they want to say prayers at 5:00AM you have to let them...oh and you'd better go along with it too.
If they don't know how to use the toilet, it doesn't matter, they can squat in the corner of the room .Imagine all the fun you'll have with a couple dozen people occupying your private space and never mind what the neighbors say...they're all racists anyway.
I believe you are confusing the homeless with illegal immigrants. I would much rather have an illegal immigrant at my house than some of the fucked up homeless ('merican) people I see every. fucking. day.
There are plenty of homeless illegal immigrants as well.
There are over ten thousand illegal aliens that are murderers which Biden-Harris let into the US.
There are so over fifteen thousand illegal aliens that are rapists which Biden-Harris let into the US.
Maybe one from wither group will join Alberto in his domicile.
You want to amend that if we weren't forced to pay for their housing and lifestyles?
"I suggest you back up what you say by taking in a number of illegal aliens into your home."
How many Catholic priests, Native American Shamans, Methodist Ministers, Scientology “Leaders”, Jewish Rabbis, and Islamic and Hindu “Holy Men” are you inviting into YOUR house to stay with YOU? None, right? Since they are living “at large” in the territory of the Collective Hive of the USA, then with the Collective Hive of the USA being just EXACTLY like YOUR living room, the public (voters, through the Powers of Government Almighty) should decide which religious leaders are allowed to practice which religions in USA territory!!! Because the Collective Hive owns it ALL!!! …
Straight-through and honest analogy here… If this does NOT clarify to you, the collectivism inherent in your analogy, then you have a fossilized mind!
You pay taxes on your property, and maintain it. You have the right to says who uses it, no doubts in my mind about THAT! You do NOT own (or pay taxes on) ALL territories in the USA, power-grabbing PIG!
But calling your political opponent "Literally Hitler" is the epitome of decency, of course.
Having two Act Blue donors attempt to assassinate Trump and no articles here by Greenhut on that topic. But the target of said attempts used some difficult words and that merits more ink. They have circled back to mean tweets.
Funny how we learned everything about the second Act Blue assassin and how far off his rocker he was. But the first Act Blue assassin remains an almost complete mystery, despite multiple burner phones and foreign bank accounts.
There was the Black Rock commercial. I think Act Blue donor 1’s social media presence got locked down quickly thereafter while Act Blue donor 2 didn’t. Act Blue donor 2 still has his Telegram account up.
"Having two Act Blue donors attempt to assassinate Trump and no articles here by Greenhut on that topic."
Do we need him to criticize MORE conservatives? Act Blue is a pretty sure sign you're WAY to the right, from what I hear around these parts.
To be fair to Nelson, he didn't just use the donations to Act Blue as evidence of the attempted assassin's conservatism. He also used the fact he had a Biden/Harris bumper sticker on his car. If that doesn't scream "conservative" to you, you need to get your head straight.
Being literally Hitler-like isn't very decent either!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn the GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
Yeah; That's why the last GOP has a De-Regulation Committee (so totalitarian).
And the party that pridefully praises [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] isn't the Nazi-Party.
Project - It's all you leftards do; day-in and day-out.
Ask the grey box about Section 230.
Kamala Harris and Tim Walz were both raised communist. All that's needed is to inspect Walz's record for the last several years and one begins to notice a pattern of totalitarianism and rabid neo-Marxism.
Harris is no different except she is a near literate moron who has accomplished next to nothing.
If they are installed in the White House, America will become a neo-Marxist state.
America will rapidly be in a hot internal war to remove the democrats if that happens.
LOL. Did you know JD Vance actually compared Trump to Hitler himself
WHOA!
Somebody changed their mind?
Get the fuck outta here.
Note: He's discussed this. Several times.
See? That’s how awesome Trump is. He converts never Trumpers and democrats to making America great again.
So don’t delay. Get in the Trump train today!
Anyone who doesn't agree with SQURL is a Hitler.
Doesn’t SQRLSY worship Hitler? In between eating piles of shit.
He pushes the big lie quite often.
You ever wonder what SQRLSY actually looks like? I try to avoid such dark thoughts, but I suspect his visage is the equivalent of a gory car wreck.
He does have that church of sqrlsy website though I don’t recall pictures the time I visited it. I imagine the sanitarium where he was admitted to allows the website but no posting of photos.
Some have LOTS of pics! Check this one out for example!
http://www.churchofsqrls.com/sonograms/
I certainly hope you aren't breeding.
Oh come off it Greenhut. I'm old enough to remember George "compassionate conservative" Bush. He was sold as being a decent and kind politician, and what did we get? Two wars and the patriot act. I'll take my chances with Trump/Vance.
Trump’s track record is a lot better than Harris on everything.
"The real issue is that by working overtime and investing in the community, they have made life more challenging for a reliable Trump-voting constituency: marginally employed white people on the dole.""
Ah yes, the one demographic group it is socially acceptable to despise.
Isn't it funny how they're always "working overtime" and "investing in the community" at such great extends....
They've literally turned their own nation into a h*llhole.
They already have a multi million dollar soros funded advocacy group to push liberal messaging. Working as intended. Wonder if Greenhut is funded by them.
Then all the other illegal leftist advocacy groups (NBC, ABC, CBS, NYT, WaPo, etc.) posing as news agencies. Every one of them should be prosecuted.
That statement by K Williamson stuck out, like a gaslight that's not working, and an insult with less truth than Don Rickles' insults.
People on the dole are mostly voting Democratic. The Haitians haven't paid any taxes to the city/state/country, in fact they've been using our tax money, given by Democratic politicians, to transport, house, feed and provide the medical care these immigrants haven't provided for themselves (often putting the immigrants in rentals owned by rich Democrats, with the rent paid by your taxes). Without notice to the public, so when the city has 50% more residents, supply problems immediately follow.
No doubt some Haitians are taking jobs from US citizens at lower pay. The way I see it, is there are more marginally employed Democratic voters, and the government paying to get and house illegals here, is making voters more likely to vote out those doing it. Williams has it exactly backwards, as does Greenhut and Reason sad to say.
I'm changing my will, and no longer am I going to donate a nice 5 figure sum to the Reason Foundation, and instead I'll be donating to organizations that fight against more government.
I don't know what happened in Springfield, but I believe the City Manager would lie about it, as it reflects very poorly upon him if true. Further, I'd believe the Democratic politicians have pressured MSM to lie about the story (including the WSJ), just like Hunter's laptop, Covid lies and on and on.
I'll go even further here. Don't libertarians believe in property rights, and that people should be free to kill and eat animals raised for that purpose? Why should it be illegal to eat cats or dogs, other than the fact that it is very offensive to most people in the US? IMHO, it shouldn't be illegal, unless of course you steal the animal. And consider if it were legal: people who think it's OK will quickly learn they are offending their neighbors by eating cats and dogs (something not uncommon in many countries but people there also want to stop it).
Haitians are taking jobs from Americans and even the black communities are up in arms over the amount of money spent on these "guests".
Any wonder why N.Y. Mayor Eric Adams is in trouble?
Funny thing is exactly how many of those people are on the dole because the illegals are being subsidized in their invasion by the Feds.
“who’ve done nothing more than come to America for opportunity”
Yeah; The opportunity to STEAL.
75%+ will end up supporting the conquer and consume party.
If you’re part of the 25% then good for you; welcome.
But lets not pretend the majority of them aren’t here to suck your lifes earnings (wealth) away.
You forgot all about the opportunity to flee prosecution for crimes, the ability to get out of a psychiatric prison while the foreign state no longer has to pay to house that criminal mental case. And it goes for criminals in foreign countries: if you’re the foreign country, isn’t it better for your country to expel your criminals to another country that is willing to transport them there for free?
Democratic politicians are revealing themselves (in spite of attempts to keep everything secret, an impossible task) as willing to put Americans in harms way (at taxpayers' expense) based upon the flawed belief that more immigrants will help them win elections.
The opportunity to rape and murder.https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/illegal-alien-el-salvador-charged-murdering-his-18/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/liberal-elite-enclave-nantucket-hit-horrifying-consequences-immigration/
Sen. Joseph McCarthy
And… done.
Fuck you. Seriously, Greenhut, Sullum, Brown… other Reason ‘editors’ this rhetorically stupid and willing to slander and stupify others, fuck you.
If Koch lit you on fire and then said you weren’t worth the piss to put out, I’d say it’s just another business transaction.
Your increased asshattery only reflects you and your peers ideological desperation.
"Seriously, Greenhut, Sullum, Brown… other Reason ‘editors’ this rhetorically stupid and willing to slander and stupify others, fuck you."
... And your pets.
What's worse than a Haitian eating a pet? A MAGA cultist fucking one.
I dunno. It's Tim Walz that is credibly accused of consuming horsefetishist.
I don't think it's MAGA that has a pet f*cking fetish.
It could be an improvement for MAGA. Take their minds away from fascist politics, at least.
The only thing wrong with Joe McCarthy was that he wasn't extreme ENOUGH.
If he had been, maybe America wouldn't be in the mess it's in today.
Democrats and Reason's attacks on American citizens reveals a complete lack of decency. Mass immigration infringes upon the liberties and political power of citizens. It destroys the culture and the foundation of democratic rule. I can be sympathetic towards immigrants on an individual basis, but that doesn't mean I need to be blind to the damage caused by mass immigration.
They are not "immigrants". Most of them are here under Temporary Protected Status after entering the country illegally. There is a long process ahead of them before they might be granted permission to immigrate.
This all depends on the definition of "temporary." I don't think open-borders advocates are interested in the intended definition.
Humans, having originated in Africa, are an invasive species EVERYWHERE else! ALL of ye NON-hypocritical xenophobes, PLEASE pack your bags and head on BACK to Africa, where ye belong!!!
You first. You can turn all of Africa into a paradise by screaming about "Hang Mike Pence" and telling them all about the wonders of Section 230. Maybe you can take Hank with you so he can make it even more "paradisey" by telling all of the Africans about girl-bulliers, Comstock laws, and the 1972 Libertarian platform.
I'm an open-borders-ish kinda guy-fella so shit is SNOT hypocritical for me to stay here instead of heading off to Africa. Hatred-befestered sore-in-the-cunt cuntsorevaturds are a different animal entirely with respect to THAT shit! I bet that they could indeed turn all of Africa into a paradise by screaming about “Hang Mike Pence” and other blood-lusting calls for political violence! I wonder if Trumpanzees gone apeshit EVER ponder a simple question: If EVERYONE here on Earth acted the way that they do and did, would this SNOT be Hell on Earth here? The violent self-righteous temper-tantrum DEMONS that they have invited into their bains and hearts? We would ALL be better off if said demons departed to the Hell that they come from!
Such evil violence-lusting power pigs would be well advised to ponder the below:
M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Glimpses of the Devil: A Psychiatrist's Personal Accounts of Possession
'Sen. Joseph McCarthy rose to prominence in the 1950s as he leveled wild allegations about communist infiltration in the U.S. government.'
And now which politicians and parties see Russians under every bed? How "decent" are the accusations, lawfare, and other bullshit coming from Democrats against anyone who opposes their master totalitarian plan? Does disparaging Haitians or any other immigrant group come close to the sickness of our burgeoning police state?
Ironic part is how damned accurate McCarthy happened to be.
In what way is rhetoric dangerous?
"Hang Mike Pence!" Do the Trumpanzees gone apeshit actully have to HANG people, in mob-driven hatred, before You can PervFectly SEE that ugly words can provoke ugly people into ugly acts?
https://reason.com/2024/09/27/brickbat-bad-words/?comments=true#comment-10739226 . .. READ the atrticle!!!
You aure have a mich louder hissy fit about what some random asshole said than the pipe bombs found near
DNC HQ.
I wonder why.
Butt, whatabout that them thar whatabouts? Twatabout Hillary? Whatabout OJ Simpson?
How many brain cells does it take to run a socio-political simulation on the following:
Judge and Jury: “Murderer, we find you guilty of murder! 20 years in the hoosegow for YOU! Now OFF with ye!”
Murderer: “But OJ Simpson got off for murder, why not me? We’re all equal, and need to be treated likewise-equal!”
Judge and Jury: “Oh, yes, sure, we forgot about that! You’re free to go! Have a good life, and try not to murder too many MORE people, please! Goodbye!”
Now WHERE does this line of thinking and acting lead to? Think REALLY-REALLY HARD now, please! What ABOUT OJ Simpson, now? Can we make progress towards peace & justice in this fashion?
(Ass for me, I think we should have PUT THE SQUEEZE on OJ!)
Words and ideas are dangerous.
So tons of inflamatory lies about YOU are OK with You? If you get hung by the mob ass a result, You are OK with shit?
Have you no sense of decency?
I've been bombarded my entire life with my obligations to be decent when I am in a foreign country: respect the local culture, try to speak the language, observe the local laws, understand that my rights are no longer secured, don't expect anyone to accommodate me, pack a Speedo but leave my tube socks behind... In other words, avoid being the ugly American at all costs. Does that expectation of decency not apply to people from other cultures when coming to the States?
The expectation of decency applies to them, yes, and they are NOT eating our pets! Are they Perfect in Every Way? No! Are YOU?
No, it doesn't. But you know that.
The lack of decency is using the barrel of a gun to fund welfare to a global community, allow migrants to ignore laws, even basic drivers licenses, shame citizens foe having their towns overtaken all for false virtue signaling.
Please tell me how Greenhut isn't an emotional Democrat with this shit.
What's indecent is dumping 20k illegals on a small town and expecting the locals to just suck it up.
And they are illegal. They did not go through the process of immigrating here legally. The administration decided unilaterally to suspend the rules for them.
Why and how are people without valid licenses or insurance, let alone any money, getting cars and driving them around this town, anyway? I've read that this town is experiencing an uptick of automobile accidents of 4-5 per day on average, involving the Haitians. That's a lot for a town that size. Several of them have been fatal.
That's indecent.
What you have heard is BS. The Haitians were recruited to help fill a need for workers.
And Springfield actually had a drop in the car accident rate.
https://cwcolumbus.com/news/local/despite-migration-surge-springfield-reported-fewer-crashes-last-year-over-past-years
The town didn't have 20k openings dumdum. Estimates are around a couple hundred have jobs. Jobs citizens also applied for.
simple google search proves otherwise
A dip in a spike is not an overall lowering.
I would not take anything the press says seriously as they already have a liberal bent and prone to massaging the facts. A polite way of saying, they're lying.
Indeed. You nailed it.
Agreed.
Trump may be guilty of highlighting a monumental problem caused by our out-of-control government with a poor choice of words. But nothing is more indecent than phonies like Greenhut who go out of their way to cover for the obscenity of said bloated, authoritarian, most UN-libertarian government. Why go out of your way to brow-beat and deride the only choice of a candidate we have who actually expresses a desire to get our immigration policy under control?
A thoroughly "decent" discussion of illegal immigration should address how to stop it. All the forces driving the kind of mass illegal migrations we see these days are coming from the tippy-top of the most corrupt people on the planet. Why the fuck on earth are supposed Libertarian writers not calling attention to these tyrants above all else?
As far as the Haitian problems go, why don't people like Greenhut start with, oh, let's say people like the Clintons and their exploitation of Haiti to line their own pockets? Why not contrast the differences between Haiti and the DR, which share the same island but don't seem to share even the most common sense ideas about how to maintain it? There are many ways in which writers could honestly explore the issues of one small shithole on the face of this earth, but they attack an outsider, perhaps the only known opposition to the Globalist Fascist Cabal which has been responsible for the propagation of shitholes worldwide? The explosion of illegal migrants seeking welfare from the US and Europe is one hundred percent their doing.
The places people are fleeing don't have to be shitholes. They are the result of the complete lack of Libertarian principles in their people. Libertarian thought has been completely censored, if you will, from these populations for generations. People at the top saw to that. And with help from the likes of Greenhut, people who have not even an atom of Libertarian in them will end up here to further dilute our own. So who is really indecent?
And speaking of things Libertarian:
https://x.com/jeremykauffman/status/1839665795921539487
(I hope the link works... never tried to paste one before)
>>uptick of automobile accidents of 4-5 per day on average, involving the Haitians ... That’s indecent.
at the very least that's a pile of uninsured motorist claims
There is a real problem with immigration and with illegal immigration. There is also a problem with opinion writers like Steven Greenhut who don't seem to have the capability to either understand or acknowledge that there are serious problems with both immigration and with illegal immigration. Understand that immigration and with illegal immigration are two very different problems and often opinion writers like Steven Greenhut conflate the two to advance their narrative.
Regarding the issues surrounding Springfield Ohio, the simple fact is that there are too many Haitian immigrants too fast for the community of Springfield Ohio to absorb. It really doesn't matter who the immigrants are or what they look like. If you introduce that this large of a percentage of immigrants into a community it will cause conflicts.
As a result BOTH sides of the issue will exaggerate which opinion writers like Steven Greenhut are guilty of along with our politicians including Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, Tim Walz, JD Vance, the local politicians both the city and the state, and the entirety of the corporate media.
All the talk about "Dogs and Cats" are a diversion from the real issues. it would me nice if opinion writers like Steven Greenhut had the decency to address the real issue instead of simply hopping on the bandwagon of the corporate media propaganda machine. If opinion writers like Steven Greenhut has any semblance of decency if would talk about the real underlying issues instead of the surface reactions and overreactions which only occur because the real issues are buried by the corporate media and opinion writers like Steven Greenhut.
The journalistic profession isn't anymore.
Too many to absorb? This country absorbed the Irish, the Italians, the Germans, etc. Why a problem now?
Parody.
What welfare were they given? What free housing?
All it takes is to remember what our cities were made up of: German, Irish, Italian and Polish communities but they all accepted the American way of life and culture. They contributed much. That's what they came here for, that and to escape, hunger, totalitarian rule and for religious freedom.
Over two centuries and at a lower relative intake, mate.
You ignore that part.
We are not talking about the amount of space the country has. We are talking about a small place of 60,000 receiving another 20,000 almost overnight. Reasonable thinkers understand that can cause a lot of issues.
You're aware that in those days, we:
1) Expected you to assimilate. We do the opposite now.
2) We shut immigration the fuck down for over a decade to give us time assimilate the rash of people that had come.
I do not see you supporting either.
" There is also a problem with opinion writers like Steven Greenhut who don’t seem to have the capability to either understand or acknowledge that there are serious problems with both immigration and with illegal immigration."
But neo Nazis and presidential candidates spreading lies about Haitians? No problem!
^ This posted by a neo-Nazi shit.
Man who advocates elimitation of Israel and, therefore, the slaughter/enslavement of millions calls anybody else on Earth a Nazi.
Hell, the Grand Mufti was a fucking Hitler supporter.
A black nazi, no less? You must be kvelling.
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
You're only just now figuring out that Trump and his Truly Faithful (not throwing all his followers under the bus here, just the ones who defend everything he says and does no matter what) have no decency?
Ideas, not people.
And Your PervFected Idea is that there ARE no such things ass evil and indecent people? Ass You can PervFectly See (if'n Ye open Your PervFected Eyes), some ideas do concern people and sheeple ass well...
TDS, buddy, if your first reaction is that Trump's possible lies about one small subset of illegal immigrants are more worthy of a diatribe than the lies about millions of illegal immigrants. Did I miss those diatribes? Did Reason decide to not republish those? Or did your TDS blind you to them?
Oh NOES! Mean tweets?!
FOAD, Greenhut.
I'm trying to understand why the media including Mr. Greenhut keep referring to this story of [Trump/Vance Springfield OH illegal immigration concerns] as an attack on "Haitians" specifically.
Maybe I've missed the Blazing Saddles-esque quote from Trump/Vance about "but not the Haitians!" The concern is about illegal immigration from anywhere. Putting 20k new people into a town of 50k is going to cause some problems and is worth discussing.
So, discuss the problem. Don't attack people. Don't claim that all the immigrants come from prisons and mental institution. Don't claim the immigrants are eating people pets.
The real problem for Trump/Vance is that a rational discussion of the immigrant problem would show how important immigrants are to this country. A rational discussion would show the need to reform the immigration system. Trump thinks the only way to get people to vote for him is to scare them silly.
I'm not here defending Trump's clumsy statements or inability to articulate his policy positions.
My question is why does the media want to make this specific story out to be an attack on Haitians? What does the media gain by trying to jump to that?
Maybe because he specifically attacked Haitians? I dunno. Just a thought.
ya so, where did he do that - "specifically attacked Haitians"? do you have a quote? I haven't seen one.
When he singled out a specific city that has had an influx of people from a specific country, then it takes a special kind of liar to claim he didn't mean people from that country.
I don't think he specifically attacked Haitians. I think the term was "those people".
If you want to claim Trump was inferring it was the Haitians, fair game. But inference is not specifically attacking.
I don't appreciate your comment and I understand we are just talking past each other at this point, but I'll trudge along anyway:
So your assertion is that, by bringing up this story about Springfield OH immigration concerns, Trump's goal was to attack Haitians specifically (though he doesn't use the word Haiti or Haitians)? So hypothetically, if the immigrants had been from El Salvador, even if not name checked, this would be an attack on El Salvadorans. Or hypothetically, if the immigrants had been from Laos, again even if not name checked, this would be an attack on Laotians. The immigration policy question, !if there even is one!, was only a secondary or tertiary reason for the mention - this was all about xenophobic hate for the people of Haiti. Got it. Sounds rational.
So hypothetically, if the immigrants had been from El Salvador, even if not name checked, this would be an attack on El Salvadorans. Or hypothetically, if the immigrants had been from Laos, again even if not name checked, this would be an attack on Laotians.
Basically, yes. Especially if there was a rumor going around about immigrants from whatever the place was where most of the immigrants were from.
""Maybe because he specifically attacked Haitians? ""
If the media cared about the Haitians, they would ignore Trump's rhetoric and focus on the issues.
The media decides how it wants to spend its time. And for every minute it spends on talking about Trump it is a minute lost to talk about the real issues.
What does the media gain? Clicks and $$$$ The media has one party preference....PROFIT. That being said...how could you not report on a presidential candidate in the middle of a debate THEYRE EATING THE CATS, THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS, THEY'RE EATING THE PETS when speaking of a town Haitians have been resettled in.
FOAD, steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.
""So, discuss the problem. Don’t attack people.""
The amount of time the media spends on attacking Trump for saying something stupid could be spent talking about the real problems. But it's an election year and they would rather attack Trump.
The media is not doing the very thing you suggest either. I fully expect a candidate to use it to political ends, but the media has a more important role than just politics.
Fine - but also don't claim that all the immigrants are beneficial, don't eat cats, and aren't prisoners/gang-bangers/mental patients either.
The rhetorical see-saw doesn't get to get tipped only in your favored direction.
What we do know is that immigrants are a net positive. They provide necessary workers, they pay in taxes, and they have lower crime rates than natives. So, the rhetorical see-saw does favor the immigrants.
Explains all of the peace and prosperity in blue cities as TX ships illegals off to them.
I bet Martha's Vineyard was made WAY better by them. Ditto NYC. Ditto Chicago. Ditto Colorado.
Wait....they were not? HOW? They are a net positive....except in places where they actually are. Then they are a negative.
Are you referring to illegal immigrants or legal immigrants? Or does it even matter in terms of net positivity? I'm going to assume the fiscal positive/negative status is mostly based on modeling and probably really hard to determine in real life.
"They have lower crime rates than natives." I see this mentioned frequently. If they are illegal immigrants, are the laws that are broken related to the illegal entry being counted in the crime rate status?
You're trying to obscure.
By saying 'net positive' you are admitting that there are negatives - but you don't want anyone to talk about the negatives.
And remember, those negatives are suffered by real people. People you want to pretend don't matter. You want a world where you get to enjoy the positive externalities while someone else suffers the negative.
Except to those with raging cases of TDS.
In the attack really isn't on any of the groups themselves anyway. The attack is on the politicians and their NGO co-conspirators who have created this situation out of whole cloth. Without them, the number of Haitian immigrants who wind up in Springfield, Ohio is a rounding error from zero. With them it's at least in the general neighborhood of a quarter of the town's current population.
This isn't "open borders" this is government sponsored human trafficking. If a bunch of Haitians show up in South Florida, we can have a discussion about "open borders." But when they all show up in a small city in Ohio, well obviously they were sent there by somebody. Be nice if that person or persons would raise their hand and answer some questions.
In March of this year there were complaints about the Haitians taking domesticated animals at night. They were acknowledged by the same community manager at a community meeting who magically forgot about them come August/September. Or maybe because no one was able to specifically confirm any of THOSE animals as pets he felt he could make the slimy, disingenuous statement that he did.
(1) McCarthy has been proven largely correct. Our government was infested with Soviet agents.
(2) Where have you been? Nobody has any sense of decency anymore. Cat-eating is the least inflammatory accusation of this entire campaign.
Yeah, I’m definitely *not* a fan of the cat-eating allegations and the “let’s-double-down-on-this-at-the-expense-of-real-immigration-issues” attitudes of the cat-eating allegators.
Yet singling this out as some kind of unique McCarthyite horror is to pretend that there’s *no* immigration issue (voters know better) and also to pretend there’s nothing *else* wrong with the policies Harris is associated with.
Indeed and America is now paying the consequences. Colleges and universities are nothing more than communist indoctrination centers. Even public schools have been taken over by neo-Marxists.
Joe McCarthy was right.
"Trump's and Vance's Attacks on Haitian Immigrants Reveal a Complete Lack of Decency.
Bullshit.
What's indecent is the Haitians coming into our country illegally.
However, since Mr. Greenhut is such a bleeding heart regarding these illegal immigrants, I'm sure he will more than happy to welcome all of them into his home and take care of him.
Otherwise, people might think he's just another leftist hypocrite.
By all means should those who support uncontrolled immigration take as many immigrants/illegal aliens into their homes. as possible. And they should support them out of their own pockets, not the rest of us.
Ignore that some of them are clinically insane or have criminal records, for rape and murder, especially the nice young Venezuelan boys with face and neck tattoos.
Time for them to put up or shut up.
Most came legally during Trump’s administration and are fully integrated into American society now.
>Weak after-the-fact "collaboration" in no way substantiates or justifies cruel allegations against Haitians in Springfield.
Greenhut, Haiti is a shithole and has been a shithole since independence in 1804. They've have 2 centuries of self-rule and couldn't clean up their country.
No, the allegations are completely justified.
>The last sentence has become a common retort whenever one's political opponents become unhinged.
But not when people suggest Trump should be crushed like a bug? Or 'Extinguish him!'?
Again, Reason, its all Trump, all the time - offer us some reasons why we should vote for your preferred candidate, not why we should vote against Trump.
But you won't do that, will you?
They won't even admit that Harris _is_ their preferred candidate much less explain why. I mean obviously she is, but for some reason they're hesitant to admit that.
I think the reason they don't admit this is because she's a treasonous Marxist wantwit.
They do seem to try to boost that double masking, coercive injecting, child mutilation advocate sack of crap Kamala Lite, Chase Oliver, who is cosplaying as a libertarian in the election.
For Trump's Deranged Supporters, a complete lack of decency is a positive thing.
Speaking for other people again?
When I observe people who lack decency applauding and defending a lack of decency, I believe it's reasonable to conclude that they find a lack of decency to be a positive thing.
It's all rent in your head. Not to mention a gross use of generalization.
What is indecent is allowing tens of millions of undocumented and hence Illegal aliens, into the nation without even bothering to check their background.
What’s indecent is when an illegal alien rapes and murders a young woman. This has been happening all too often.
What is indecent is tossing veterans out into the streets so landlords can rake in even more taxpayers money by taking in illegal aliens instead.
What’s indecent is when Americans are thrown out of a job only to be replaced by Haitians who work for cheap wages.
What’s indecent is subjecting a town,city or neighborhood to an invasion of undocumented illegal aliens who may be criminals, terrorists or other possible threats.
What’s indecent is for a group of unelected bureaucrats telling the rest of us to shut up and accept what’s happening.
What’s indecent is out of the millions of undocumented illegal aliens, how many are terrorists? How many have been released from prisons and mental facilities? how many come from China who are of military age? How many are cartel members or member of gangs, such as the ones who took over apartments in Aurora, Co?
Just how decent will it be when all out gang warfare between immigrant and local gangs takes place? You are aware of the threats being made.
I for one am glad to have all the Haitians in Ohio (was raised in OH, about 2hrs drive from Springfield), and that Haiti has sent her best and brightest, so that they can turn small-town America into the "shining beacon on the hill" that marks Haiti. I mean, I heard that Haiti was the real-world inspiration for the MCU's Wakanda, so if they can bring just a little bit of that Haitian magic to Ohio, it has to be good, right?
No nation should be forced to allow an invasion of unwanted people. That's why borders exist and that's why Americans have every right to refuse to allow such an invasion that has occurred for the past four years under the OBiden administration.
Gang warfare is about to erupt in the cities between locals and imported gangs. Is this what you want?
America already has a problem with homelessness without the addition of another 20 million. Is this what you want?
Societies function as a whole when they are homogenous in their beliefs and societal functions. Adding additional people , especially from backward countries like Haiti, which has no functioning society of any kind where Haiti does not even measure up to third world status, then thrust them into a society of laws and some semblance of order and moral code and what would you expect to happen?
There aren't enough jobs, housing and services able to allow for this invasion to happen and they know it.
This entire invasion is meant to destroy American society, it is meant to create massive chaos, lawlessness, and a total breakdown of society. Out of that chaos and lawlessness will come martial law, lockdowns and totalitarianism.
No nation, in their right mind would ever allow such a thing to happen but all you need is consider the situation within Europe , Britain and Scandinavia who are suffering under the same invasion tactics.
I say no to this. Elect Trump and make sure he fulfills his promise to send them all back.
America is broke and if this continues, you'd better be prepared for what's coming next.
It won't be pretty.
Is any decency towards Americans owed by the Haitians?
We did THEM a favor, after all. To our detriment.
I mean, even just a thank you would be nice - and a promise to stop eating housepets and park fowl.
So long, and thanks for all the ducks.
and a promise to stop eating housepets and park fowl.
Was there ever any evidence that they did this?
There were certainly claims by members of the public that they did so. The evidence for the geese claims seem stronger than the eating cats claims, but both were really gripes made to the police and city officials before this all became national news.
Much flimsier types of claims (claims made decades later by a raging lunatic) were considered enough evidence to convict Trump of assaulting E. Jean Carroll. It's the most common type of confirmation bias: demanding excessively high standards of evidence for claims that oppose one's beliefs, while accepting extremely low standards of evidence for claims that conform to one's beliefs.
I take PETA's silence on the subject as all the proof we need.
Like father, like son. If Trump had picked someone more fair-minded and dignified than he is, where's the impeachment insurance in that?
lol the eating the cats game was lost two weeks ago just stop.
At least Dems have the decency to be ashamed of themselves and each other when they get caught lying. Trump , Vance, McConnell, and the lot will lie to your face ... get caught lying, double down and lie to your face again ... and then play the outraged victim when you don't believe them again.
Has Mexico paid for that wall yet ?
Has Trump brought back coal ?
Has Miss Sassy been served with mashed potatoes & carrots?
lol Holy hell LOL
>>At least Dems have the decency to be ashamed of themselves and each other when they get caught lying.
this is the most beautiful thing on the internet today.
"At least Dems have the decency to be ashamed of themselves and each other when they get caught lying..."
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Today, Cackles told Zelensky that there are US politicians who would "force" Ukraine to give up territory to achieve peace, the lying pile of shit.
FOAD, asshole.
I predict this post is gonna be a boon to grey box manufacturing.
Similarly, take the fair and stuffed animals. Grey metal everywhere and in every cage 8-B
Can you provide some examples of Democrats having any shame?
"At least Dems have the decency to be ashamed of themselves and each other when they get caught lying"
Explains Kamala still referencing "Fine people on both sides".
Harris is running on the idea that Trump was in office the last three years.
She's simultaneously the VP of the Biden-Harris Administration and at the same time has no link at all to the policies of her own administration.
But sure, Democrats have shame.
GFY
TL;DR but did either of them name names? They're talking about a narrow group of people who were settled in places concertedly as a result of government actions; but no such individuals were named.
F**k you, Greenhut!
I notice your much vaunted sense of "decency" only extends up to the point of the people in the communities flooded with indigent Third-World migrants. Then it automatically converts to snide insinuations about the locals that they're lazy because they expect to be paid beyond subsistence wages.
You're a disgrace and your comments only make me more sympathetic to Trump and Vance.
"... only make me more sympathetic to Trump and Vance."
And less sympathetic to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, whose message was 'love thy neighbor.'
You are perfectly within your rights to reject sacred teaching to embrace the dark side. Why admit it, though? Have you no shame, no sense of decency?
And what about the pre-existing residents of these towns? Do they not count as neighbors? Or, like I said, are they just deserving of contempt when they object to their wages being depressed at the same time a massive number (relative to the size of the community) of destitute uneducated migrants are dumped at their doorstep?
"And what about the pre-existing residents of these towns? "
If they are Christians, how about following the teachings of Christ? Clearly you've ignorant of Christ's teachings, or just rejected them, so you're probably the wrong person to ask.
So, your attitude is "Screw 'em. Let 'em suffer so I can puff out my chest about what a great guy I am."
It's pretty clear you're exactly the last guy who should be lecturing anybody about Christian principle.
Try reading the bible then.
I have. It doesn't say what you seem to think it says.
I was referring to the Christian bible. Not the sacrilegious garbage you've chosen to follow.
From a guy who considers church "socializing with smug hypocrites", I think it's fair to say you have little or no basis on which to judge what is Christian and what is not.
Those who attend church but choose to ignore Christ's teachings are smug hypocrites, and that's being generous.
"you have little or no basis on which to judge what is Christian and what is not."
I'm judging you, Bill Dalasio, and I find you wanting. You're a phony, and all your insults and bluster won't hide the fact. Again, where's your shame? Where's your sense of decency?
mtrueman, this is the same level of trolling that Nelson conducted when he insisted the attempted assassins were conservatives. Is Nelson a sock of yours? I don't know, I just see a similar method of trolling to what he attempted, and it has me wondering.
"Is Nelson a sock of yours? "
Nelson was the name of a dog I used to have. A black labrador, and probably the best natured dog I've had. That's all I've got, I'm afraid. Maybe someone else can help you sort your socks.
I only asked as I saw a similarity. I don't have sufficient evidence to say Nelson is a sock of yours. You both use similar tactics, at least.
Black labs are my favorite breed of dog. I don't think you can go wrong (under normal circumstances) with a black lab.
"You both use similar tactics, at least."
I won't quit until everyone is using my tactics,
THIS is what Jesus had to say about the hate-filled, smug, and self-righteous people of his day. I think that shit applies to a LOT of hate-filled posters right HERE!
https://biblehub.com/matthew/23-33.htm
You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.
Gee, mtrueman, that might really hurt. If I valued your opinion and hadn’t long considered you trash.
When was the last time you were in a church?
I make it a point to avoid socializing with smug hypocrites.
Then what is all this lord and savior bullshit you are talking.
"Then what is all this lord and savior bullshit you are talking."
Try reading a Christian bible. The New Testament. It's got the answers to all your questions. It also gives instructions on how to live forever in paradise when you die.
Enlighten me on these teachings. Verses would be lovely.
"Enlighten me on these teachings. "
They're in the bible. Trump is selling signed copies for only $US 60 a pop. Get one while they last.
So, you don't know? Got it. Thanks for playing.
The Gospel According to Saint Damned-and-Sick follows forthwith!
Hey Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, and ALL of your other socks…
How is your totalitarian scheme to FORCE people to buy Reason magazines coming along?
Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to severely constrict these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!
So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!
“Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)
(Etc.)
See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/
(And Asshole Extraordinaire will NEVER take back its' totalitarian bullshit!!!! 'Cause Asshole Extraordinaire is already PERVFECT in every way!!!)
This (above damikesc quote) is a gem of the damnedest dumbness of damikesc! Like MANY “perfect in their own minds” asshole authoritarians around here, he will NEVER take back ANY of the stupidest and most evil things that he has written! I have more of those on file… I deploy them to warn other readers to NOT bother to try and reason with the most utterly unreasonable of the nit-wit twits around here!
Uhm, I'm not a Christian, my dude.
Trump and Vance lied and continued to lie abominably about a specific group legally resident in Springfield, leading to predictable threats made to that group...but it's ok and indeed, this slander should be defended because illegal immigrants exist and people somewhere else did bad things.
Clearly it's not only Trump and Vance who lack a sense of decency.
Trump isn't Hitler, but it's not hard to guess that many of you who defend Trump would have voted for Hitler.
Besides the bomb threat hoaxes originating overseas from trolls, what are the threats being made to 1. Springfield or 2. the migrant group? I'm truly interested in whether there are credible specific threats beyond news snippets of someone with complaints of generalized "fear", "feeling unsafe", etc.
Regarding "legal resident" status, this is to some degree a semantics argument as far as I understand it. I think most people are talking about the temporary proctected status that it sounds like a majority of the migrants are in. From one article: "The Temporary Protected Status is just … when the federal government simply pauses enforcement of immigration law – i.e. deportation – for certain nationalities." I think another Reason commenter described it as illegal immigrants for whom enforcement has been paused/delayed. Also from the article: "Haitian nationals in the U.S. under Temporary Protected Status are permitted to stay in the country through Feb. 3, 2026."
Right. Temporary Protected Status is not available for those who enter the country legally. Everyone on it entered illegally.
Well, not all the hoaxes came from abroad, and I think being evacuated twice from a school might well lead to people being scared. Perhaps the term “lawfully resident in Springfield” would be preferable.
https://apnews.com/article/springfield-ohio-haitian-immigrants-threats-key-details-7594bae869fb05dc6f106098409418cc
Do you agree that Trump and Vance are wrong about the Haitians killing and eating pets? And if so, do you think they should at least have shut up after the story was proven to be untrue?
People might feel scared for being evacuated, sure. But this is getting into heckler's veto type territory- I don't think its MAGA fools making threats that are leading to these reactions. Taking a relatively minor issue and trying to amplify it to the point of hysteria is not helpful.
Regarding #2, surely - I have seen no significant evidence of Haitians taking, killing, eating pets. Trump/Vance shouldn't have said it and shouldn't continue you (if he is).
Reading your linked article, I'm just really struck with what appears to be unreasonable overreaction of local officials.
"DeWine sent dozens of members of the Ohio State Highway Patrol to all 18 city schools, where sweeps will be conducted twice a day to prevent further disruption and help reassure parents and students the buildings are safe. Even with the increased police presence, though, many parents still kept their kids home from school on Tuesday."
I mean, what in the world. Sweeps through the schools twice a day? what are they looking for? Do they think having police "sweep" through schools provides psychologic reassurance - that will do the opposite. Why are parents holding their kids out of school? What is going on there?
"Well, not all the hoaxes came from abroad"
According to the governor, yes, it was all of them.
According to the governor, yes, it was all of them.
""Many of these threats are coming in from overseas"
https://governor.ohio.gov/media/news-and-media/governor-dewine-sends-ohio-state-highway-patrol-to-provide-added-security-in-springfield-city-school-district
"Many" does not equal "all".
"Legal immigration with assimilation helped make this country great. Illegal immigration without assimilation is a foreign invasion — colonization, really." Stephen Green
This is new: Beta male Doug Emhoff, husband to retarded Dem candidate Kamala, is now stating, in an interview with noted CCP-loving nincompoop Jen Psaki, that Trump is anti-Semitic and that he will target Jews.
Can anybody point to a single instance of Trump hating Jews? Because Democrats have tons of examples.
If that is the new tactic of the Dems (to accuse Trump of antisemitism), I take it as a sign that the internal polls for Kamala are bad and getting worse. Even if the Kamala campaign's internal polls are bad, though, I'd caution Trump voters to be even more determined to vote as I expect there will be shenanigans in this election as well. You better make the margin of victory for Trump too big to steal.
I believe the tactic is to use surrogates to defend Israel and to use Kamala to defend Palestine. The Dems believe they absolutely must win Michigan and as Biden continued his full throated support of Israel, Michigan was quickly moving solidly into the "loss" column.
The problem is not supporting Israel can cause them problems in any number of other swing states, particularly Pennsylvania, and cause them huge problems with fundraising.
The truth is that the Democratic Party would carpet bomb Israel, Palestine and Lebanon if it meant permanent majorities in Congress and an iron grip on the White House.
They'd carpet-bomb their own mothers for that.
Even if not a lie, the GOP can be counted on to Crash the economy with superstitious prohibition and forfeiture laws. And who but a party of masked rapists wants to force women to engage in reproduction at gunpoint?
Can anybody point to a single instance of Trump hating Jews?
Well, he recognized Jerusalem as the capital and he brokered the Abraham Accords that effectively stabilize the region in favor of Israel and against Iran, then there's all the family business with his Son-in-Law... oh, I thought you said 'helping', not 'hating'. My bad.
Yeah, if Biden-Harris are the Jews' friends, the Jews don't really need any more enemies. But, of course, the campaign knows this and that's why they have to project.
Trump’s mom was a migrant from Scotland who did menial jobs and His grandpa was a German draft dodger who was deported from Germany and then became a pimp here in North America. Clearly Germany and Scotland did not send us their best. Oh and John Donald Bowman’s (Vance’s real name) wife is from a family of migrants and Trump’s wife was a migrant.
"Clearly Germany and Scotland did not send us their best. "
The Scots they are a hardy race
They dinna wear nae britches
They drag their cocks along the rocks
The dirty sons of bitches.
So, uh, what welfare did Trump's grandparents receive?
Free housing? They must have gotten that, right?
His grandpappy exploited North American women and lived off of their female exploits and gave em nuttin. Trump learned from his grandpappy and stiffed NY contractors for years. So corporate welfare through worker exploitation.
You say “German draft dodger” like that was a _bad_ thing.
Who else would have them? No true American Woman© will have anything to do with girl-bullying mystical wankers. And what's this about unwanted Vance getting a couch pregnant?
You know, Greenhut's looping in McCarthy as a message about preventing Vance/Trump's indecency is about as decent as me looping in what happened at Charlie Hebdo as a message about preventing the media from whipping up another Hodgkinson, Crooks, and/or Routh.
Except, you know, I didn't spend 2020-2022 lying to everyone about how peaceful things were.
However much you hate the media, it's not enough.
Trump and Vance are right about one thing: Millions of Americans are so in love with hating others that nothing else matters. Christians? Has Franklin Graham chastised Trump? Apparently not. https://bit.ly/4dpXXxO
Trump also got something else right: TDS is widely spread.
Bad Faith, 2024... Christian National Socialism as Bride of Hitlerism
Sen. Joseph McCarthy vastly underestimated the Communist threat. The main thrust of everything he said was true.
A complete lack of decency is shown by the scumbags that brought the third world here to rape and murder, not those who object to it.
The communist threat was an artifact of Christian National Socialist prohibition laws, and so were the crashes of 1920 & 1929 and the banking panics of 1931-33. Hoover's Crash increased communist party membership 700%. FDR had that and felony beer laws on his doorstep when sworn in. Also Hitler. Republican drug prohibitionism caused Germany and Japan to quit the League of Nations. Before 13JUL1931 nobody had heard of Hitler. German pharma funded him in response to China and Hoover backing League cartel machinations.
Republican exporting of superstitious prohibition laws impoverished Latin America and crashed their economies from 1987 through 1992. THAT caused a rather karmic refugee diaspora.
Okay. Be careful what you tell Trump; he found religion only recently. And just as religiously, he was walking to a church.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/09/dcs-lafayette-square-was-not-cleared-for-trumps-bible-photo-op-watchdog/
I would hazard a guess that for many voters, when you vote for a presidential candidate you are not actually attending church services at the exact same time (even if you do in fact attend church services). In comparable spirit, when you vote for a presidential candidate, you probably expect to be voting for someone who recognizes the Constitution as the law of the land, even if divine law crashes planes, erects lava flow across Hawaiian streets, sends meteors on a collision course with frozen Russian waters, and sends living snakes to occupy electrical boxes for a limited time because the free market had not done otherwise.
Voting for someone who passes on such claims that Hatians eat cats or dogs has just as much substance as voting for someone who does not have a developed team of economists ready to put together a functional plan for reducing the federal debt over time — if the issue were important to you. And the issue was clearly important to those whom have gone before, such as the late Harry Browne and those who supported him such as by buying his book where he discusses a plan for eliminating the national debt by selling federally-owned lands.
Let’s look at facts that the majority of persons living today and qualified to vote in a subsequent U.S. election have never lived under a financially-solvent federal government. And that history probably tells a story of how we as a nation of diverse peoples have lost the way and collective political will, if not the means, to put a rickety plan together to cross into solvency within a single presidential term by voting for today’s full slate Libertarian presidential ticket.
Voting libertarian means scratching the Jesus Caucus MAGAt infiltrators. There are such on the fraudulent CO ballots and the Ku-Klux Texas ballots. Beware Jew-baiting bird and shun the frumious bordersnatch. Oliver, NM candidates and at least two Texas candidates are legit. But christianofascist impostors inside the Jesus Caucus Trojan Hearse are worse than not voting at all.
The essential premise of your headline reveals a complete lack of interest in facts AND of decency.
"Trump's and Vance's Attacks on Haitian Immigrants Reveal a Complete Lack of Decency"
Mere words cannot describe how relieved I am at Greenhut's willingness to tell us how he feels about the situation instead of just reporting the facts. I'm sure that none of us would be comfortable forming our own conclusions.
Also noteworthy is the complete omission of the author's description of his visit to Springfield. Could it be that he didn't go?
Translation: WHINE!!! SOB!!
McCarthy was right and Reason has repeatedly said so through the years but, in characteristic fashion, conveniently sidestepped that question when unreasonably commenting on immigration matters. Expecting decency from politicians is laughable.
This is the results of the Biden-Harris immigration folly:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-harris-let-staggering-650000-criminal-illegals-loose-us-ice
Do you know who moved into the public housing down the street?
Does this give you a feeling of moral superiority over others?
Do you still believe those who criticize Harris’ indifference to this problem are nazis and Hitlers?
And the 320,000 missing children under Harris’ care....
Where are they Kamala?
And some people want that brainless, illiterate moron, Harris, in the White house.
Way to go reason, an article specifically designed to feed the left wing nut job sheeple.
Fake link on masked ku-klux sock detected!
Thanks for this article and the enlightening comments. Now I know every thing there is to know about Haitians in Springfield.
"They're eating the pets" is the stupidest moment in American presidential debate history. It demonstrated to millions of viewers that Donald Trump isn't that far behind Joe Biden in his decline.
It's also the only part of the ordure opera I ever saw. No big loss, both being looters and all, but this much misdirection has GOT to be concealing some pretty gross stuff. Thanks go out to Nick for interviewing the legitimate LP candidate, Chase Oliver.
I figured your regular MiCauc and paleofascist commenters would take you to school on what a complete lack of decency really means, and boy was I right.
If FireUpTheWoodChipper had his way, the new national anthem would be "Waiting for the Worm" and "final solution to strengthen the strain" would be on the Great Seal.
We need helicopters to physically remove some people, all right, but the scum in Reason comments are at the top of the list.
OK, so let's go through *every single one* of Woodchipper's comments in this thread (as of 9/29) and see which ones could be even remotely construed as racist or hateful by someone who isn't a complete retard or disingenuous ActBlue DNC shill troll, shall we?
(1) "Sounds like you’re spreading bullshit democrat narratives. Now that you have that information, how do feel about being a neo Marxist propagandist?"
Pointing out that DeWine was a forced masking RINO Never Trumper isn't exactly hateful. Trump and Vance's comments aren't entirely accurate, but there are Haitians illegally eating the wildlife and there are Haitians who eat cats, and there was a person who did eat a cat on video (just not in Springfield). But Democrats can say any stupid lie they want like the "fine people" or Russiagate hoax, but apparently Trump (an inarticulate buffoon but seemingly a bit of an idiot-savant at gaming systems) has to say everything EXACTLY perfectly.
(2) " “Reason’s Attacks on Trump and Vance Reveal a Complete Lack of Decency” I corrected the title of the article."
Dunking on Reason's shilling for the far left open borders psychos is... pretty normal and standard around here.
(3) "Cite? You CAN back that up with something concrete, right?"
Maybe a little obnoxious but Woodchipper has a point, none of us trust legacy media narratives.
(4 & 5) "They’re getting housing vouchers in amounts far greater than the prevailing rents as they were prior to the influx of these illegals." & "ht tps://x.c om/bud_cann/status/1763657344700076311
Chicago’s 9th ward Alderman Tony Beale says illegal migrants, especially Venezuelans, are receiving vouchers for $9000 a month for housing, food, dispensable cash, etc. “
Not sure what's hateful about... citing the city's politician. By the way, 12x9 = 108. That's $108K a year in benefits. The average American family is making, what... half of that? But yet you wring your hands and wonder why everyone is pissed off.
(6) "No, they did far more than that. Forget the borders for a minute. Harris is having them flown directly from their countries of origin. Democrats are stuffing our country full of illegals just like they stuff ballot boxes. Recklessly and illegally."
You might disagree with that assertion, but it's not "hateful." (I'd say it's pretty damn accurate, except that it should say that GLOBALISTS are stuffing the country and ballot boxes, because it's RINOs and faux independents doing it too).
(7) "Harris and Walz are America through the lens of Stalinist Russia."
Personally, I would have said Communist China rather than Stalinist Russia, but again, no evidence of what you assert here.
(8) "JeffSarc and a large number of neo Marxist democrats make that claim." [the claim that "Every single immigrant, legal or illegal is a net positive at all times, always and forever"]
Accurate, not hateful. The bracketed claim is absurd. There are good and bad immigrants.
(9) "America will rapidly be in a hot internal war to remove the democrats if that happens." [where "that happens" refers to "If they are installed in the White House, America will become a neo-Marxist state."]
How I take that depends on if it is meant as a prediction or a threat, but it's still not "hateful" in the Nazi way you imply. The USA was founded on a revolution against tyrants, and 'modern life' is no excuse for tyranny.
(10) "See? That’s how awesome Trump is. He converts never Trumpers and democrats to making America great again. So don’t delay. Get in the Trump train today!"
I actually read that as a bit of sarcasm *against* Trump and Trumpsters.
(11 & 12) "Doesn’t SQRLSY worship Hitler? In between eating piles of shit." & "You ever wonder what SQRLSY actually looks like? I try to avoid such dark thoughts, but I suspect his visage is the equivalent of a gory car wreck."
So the guy is Hitler for pointing out someone who's actually been stupidly Hitler-y on the forums? That's some real mindbending you're doing there.
(13) "Trump’s track record is a lot better than Harris on everything."
Pretty much, although he dropped the ball when he went along with Democrats and their totalitarian shutdowns in 2020.
(14) "Then all the other illegal leftist advocacy groups (NBC, ABC, CBS, NYT, WaPo, etc.) posing as news agencies. Every one of them should be prosecuted."
That's the first thing that *might* sound authoritarian to me that Woodchippy said, because it could easily be abused against Reason, or X, or Rockwell, or Substack, or whatever. But since the government is already doing that sort of thing now with its jawboning, I really don't feel the need to give a crap about that anymore. Stopping the totalitarian globalist left's evil is THE most important thing for humanity, no matter WHAT has to be done to do so.
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Out of all those comments I see 2 "maybe" naughty ones, 1 sarcastic one, and a bunch of pretty much factual and accurate ones. This is the disingenuous part of you shills we cannot fucking stand. It is not "hateful" to oppose illegal immigration or immigrants. It isn't an "attack" on them, but rather the government and NGOs that permit, encourage, and enable it, and then let loose the violent ones to terrorize the citizens, while arresting the law-abiding people who just try to defend themselves and their family.
Dipshit, I actually WORK for an immigrant (who's black! Not that it should matter), and he's a nice guy, but guess what? He came here LEGALLY. Another (black & African) immigrant in our department just naturalized, and I was genuinely happy for him. They're decent fellows, one's a Democrat but as far as I can tell it was more in the classic Greenwald/Wolf sense, not the psychos running the party now.
So stop with the lies. We don't hate immigrants, we hate illegals, a traitor government, and a two-tier system where the American citizens get screwed while criminal foreigners (often violent ones) get all the benefits AT OUR EXPENSE. Frankly, it's an insult to the two LEGAL immigrants where I work who spent THOUSANDS of dollars to do things right, and yeah, we could probably make that easier... except I don't trust the Fedstapo or Congress to not sell us out over and over.
So yeah, it's high time to nuke the illegals from orbit (metaphorically speaking). It's the only way to be sure. Every illegal and everyone who knowingly and willfully gives so much as one penny to an illegal should be designated as a TERRORIST TRAITOR, and thrown in Guantanamo Bay forever.
The Geneva Convention has a section about "non-uniformed enemy combatants," and it's high time we made use of those.
DUUUH! Reason invites these anon nazi schaißtposters to defecate in the comments in hopes of luring bolters to the Christian National Socialist voting blockhaids. But White Stupremacy girl-bullying prohibitionism here is a walking advert for the Bad Faith documentary on the mystical whack job führer cult. That documentacity omits the fact that the Libertarian Party platform contained the basic Roe v Wade decision NEITHER looter party considered in 1972. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2021/12/02/who-wrote-roe-v-wade/
reveal... scratch that... CONFIRM the complete lack of decency already on display for even the blind to see!
People coming from other parts of the world always bring their culinary "preferences" with them. It's nothing new. Hell, I remember back in the early 80s as a young policeman, Vietnamese, Cambodian and Hmong immigrants trapped squirrels, pigeons and an occasional feral cat in the alleys behind their apartment buildings in an older part of Denver. I also remember not getting too excited about it even though I was fully aware that they weren't keeping them as pets. (I was sent on a call one morning to see an older woman in one of those alleys who was "outraged" by this unconventional game harvesting. I told her I could go up to an apartment where she insisted the "hunter" could be found, but that the occupants likely already ate the evidence. To this day, I recall the look of sheer horror that came over her face. She couldn't even speak, but walked away in a near state of shock. Never called again.) Folks gotta eat.......