Commerce Department Bans Chinese Car Components
Commerce Secretary Raimondo insists the rule "is a strictly national security action."

Slapping a 100 percent tariff on Chinese electric vehicles apparently isn't enough to protect American national security. The Department of Commerce is now banning Chinese auto parts too.
Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo says that "it doesn't take much imagination to understand how a foreign adversary with access to [cameras, microphones, GPS tracking, and other technologies connected to the internet] could pose a serious risk to both our national security and the privacy of U.S. citizens," Politico reports.
The insufficiently imaginative would appreciate Raimondo enumerating her specific concerns about Chinese-made car parts so that they may evaluate her reasoning. Fortunately, Raimondo was kind enough to clarify her concerns: "A foreign adversary could shut down or take control of all their vehicles operating in the United States."
The U.S. is China's largest trading partner, making up 14.8 percent of China's $3.73 trillion in 2022 exports, according to the Observatory of Economic Complexity. If the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) deliberately sabotaged "Vehicle Connectivity System (VCS) hardware and covered software," as specified by the Commerce Department's rule, it must be prepared to forgo hundreds of billions of dollars of income for the rest of the nation's existence. It's not.
Understanding that China is unlikely to adopt such a suicidal strategy, the German Automotive Industry Association urged the Department of Commerce to limit the scope of its rule making, stating "not all…components from countries of concern pose a threat to national security," per Politico. The plea for rationality fell on deaf ears at the Department of Commerce, with Raimondo describing the hundreds of thousands of Chinese-made cars in Europe as a "cautionary tale," reports NPR.
The rule warns that China and Russia "pose particular risks to U.S. national security because of…their current and anticipated growth and involvement in the automotive sector," among other reasons. But Chinese parts made up only $14.4 billion of America's $458 billion imported vehicles and parts last year (3 percent) and Russia "is not a significant supplier…of either," Politico reports.
Raimondo insists that the rule "is not about trade or economic advantage." When asked about the rule, President Joe Biden's national economic adviser, Lael Brainard, said that "the Biden-Harris administration believes the future of the auto industry is made in America by American workers," NPR reports. Brainard's buy-American line suggests protectionism isn't entirely unrelated.
If American security were truly jeopardized by Chinese vehicles and parts, the Department of Commerce probably wouldn't permit the "the import of the VCS Hardware…prior to January 1, 2029"—more than four years from now—as its rule currently does. The department also wouldn't want to make carve-outs for vehicles "driven on public roads for fewer than 30 calendar days per year," which Politico notes would include mining and agricultural vehicles.
Executive Order 13873, which sanctions the rule, aims to mitigate the "undue risk of catastrophic effects on the security or resiliency of United States critical infrastructure." Surely an adversary would certainly want to disable American manufacturing vehicles before launching a military campaign against the U.S.
Citizens, American or otherwise, alienate their privacy to firms in exchange for goods and services all the time. (See: social media.) Although much ado is made about the "exfiltration of sensitive U.S. persons' data," the rule focuses on data generated "from fleet vehicles used by emergency response." The rule does not clarify how an American civilian driving his private car would provide the CCP with such information.
The Department of Commerce's claim that its rule protects Americans' privacy and security is dubious. That the rule protects American automobile manufacturers from Chinese competition is certain.
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sarcasmic straw pile goes here.
Isn't that post useful for every article though?
But wait until the cars of America’s leaders, political and military, all blow up at the same time. Israel has shown proof of concept.
That's probably why they banned Xiaomi phones.
insufficiently imaginative
Openly advertising yourself as retarded in order to refute your opposition’s argument? It’s a bold strategy, Cotton…
That the rule protects American automobile manufacturers from Chinese competition is certain.
Manufacturers? I thought we were talking about parts? Huh.
Manufacturers don't use parts? They grow cars in 3D printers in one fell swoop?
So, are you a manufacturer of Stupid, Tricks, or Stupid Tricks?
Go ahead, tell me I’m committing a categorical error extrapolating qualities of parts to qualities of the whole.
Good God you’re making JFree and mtrueman look well thought out and self-aware.
Maybe he's a manufacturer of car parts.
What are you babbling about? Both your quotes are musings of the author not statements from the Administration and who is "Cotton"? Tom Cotton? He isn't mentioned in the story.
No shit.
You expect the magazine that lied to you through COVID and went along with the equivocation about wet markets vs. lab origin to give you an honest, in depth, or intelligent breakdown of the issue? The magazine that regularly conflates interstate shipping and international shipping when discussing The Jones Act. The magazine that regularly runs pieces from the “Sonograms detect electrical currents.”, “a 14 week abortion ban is too onerous but if everyone could access medical abortions it would be peaches and rainbows”, and “no body in the placenta means no one died the same way no one died in the delousing chambers at Auschwitz” contributor?
All the mountains of regulations we have on cars and safety that drive up costs and Reason *has* to pretend that nativism/protectionism is *the* cause *and* that it’s a primary consideration or cost. It’s like the same retarded argument they made about American labor adding $700 (or whatever) to the cost of an EV. Like the people already paying an extra $10K and getting thousands in subsidies back were going to give a shit if the price of their virtue went up $700, to say nothing about their nationalist virtue offsetting the increased cost of their environmental virtue.
They aren’t here to make an honest argument for free markets and global deregulation. They’re here to appear virtuous while pimping for the Chinese and supporting the 'modern era', global equivalent of the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade.
While acknowledging the very real risk of the Chinese feasibly disabling our mining, agricultural, and manufacturing equipment during a crisis
it must be prepared to forgo hundreds of billions of dollars of income for the rest of the nation's existence. It's not.
You'd have to be retarded to believe that money is supreme in the arena of nation states.
Wars have been started, and fought over, far less.
You’d have to be retarded
I believe he self-identified as "insufficiently imaginative".
Another example of why you can’t have chicks in charge.
She's not even the puppet on Joe Biden's lap. Biden's on the real ventriloquist's lap, and Raimondo, who knows, I doubt even she knows whose lap she's sitting on.
"Commerce Department Bans Chinese Car Components."
The Commerce Department?
WTF do we need a Commerce Department?
I doubt the Chinese has any desire to mass disable American automobiles. Does it have a desire to potentially use these parts to conduct mass surveillance? I'm sure they would if they could.
But again, my worry about their doing so is somewhat tempered by the fact that the US Government does the exact same thing, and I'm just as afraid of that government as the Chinese one. Because I'm far more subject to the whims of the American government.
"
taxation without representation is tyrannyTaxation by Chinese government without representation rather than taxed by the US government with representation because China is further away." -James Otis Jr.Some Old, White Guy Who Probably Owned SlavesDo you think the Chinese government is going to provide components at a loss? Simply allow the profits to slide by out of some respect for the free market? Or do you think they'll hoover up the data *and* the revenue whenever they deem it convenient and/or necessary?
Obviously they'll do both. But again, as much as I don't want to be screwed over by the Chinese government, I don't want to be screwed over by the US government either.
My point is that I would be more receptive to the banning of Chinese parts for security reasons, if the "American" parts didn't have those exact same security problems. I wish they'd put a stop to our devices ratting us out to the Feds. The Chinese government is more evil, but they also have less interest in me personally.
My point is that I would be more receptive to the banning of Chinese parts for security reasons, if the “American” parts didn’t have those exact same security problems. I wish they’d put a stop to our devices ratting us out to the Feds. The Chinese government is more evil, but they also have less interest in me personally.
Oh, gee... If only there were companies that actually opposed that. In a country that, if it didn't support, at least tolerated or fractionally recognized that. But really, internet and business being what they are, you'd almost need like a culture or an ideology to generate and preserve that situation. An ideology or ethos that people would have to recognize and seek out rather than just equivocating about. An ideology or ethos that recognized the distinction of private citizens rather than specifically ignoring it.
The "The Chinese government is more evil, but they also have less interest in me personally." how much less? 10% less? 50% less? 100%? 1,000? Do you think our government has a 'people to keep an eye on' list with shadydave's name on it or do you think it hoovers up massive amounts of nameless data and, should a pattern emerge, then they attach a 'shadydave' name tag to it? Because the latter, while still not effective or good is really kinda the opposite of a personal interest. Moreover, do you think you'd be better off in China? Or Canada? Or Mexico? Or Russia? Or Guatemala? I bet the Guatemalan government doesn't do a very good job of sucking up your personal data; is less interested in you personally than either the US or the Chinese Government. You should live there.
I have the same feelings on the subject.
It’s hard to pack embargo-level concern about China when the local Nazi-Government is just as bad. US Citizens should be able to opt-out of any and all CVS yet our own government keeps passing laws that require it. Why? They claim it’s for safety. Selling off Liberty for safety? That’s not what the USA is suppose to be about.
The Democrats are trying to win back the Unions. That's it plain and simple.
Is this even feasible? Rules like this is how you get 100k toilet seats.
No, you get $100,000 toilet seats as a way to fund secret stuff that can't be allowed in the real budget. The toilet seat costs $10.00, the rest goes to the CIA or defense department.
> The toilet seat costs $10.00, the rest goes to the CIA or defense department.
To be fair, because of stupid military-grade rules that require the toilet seats to both not melt in extremely hot regions and not shatter from freezing in Arctic/Antarctic conditions, and made to non-standard, but exacting measurements, and ad nauseum, the true price might have been closer to $1,000 a toilet seat.
That’s not even it.
I couldn’t sell a $30 standard industrial grade component to the local military base without submitting a proposal along with hundreds of pages of specifications. The extra unnecessary labor is another reason to charge more
Is this even feasible?
Building and selling cars with American-made or entirely without cameras, microphones, GPS tracking, and other technologies connected to the internet?
Seems like the real threat is far and away the opposite issue; they're being increasingly required both in the US and out.
Almost like the protectionism insisting that they be manufactured by the Chinese while ignoring the fact that they're required in the first place is a dishonest stalking horse to make it look like people are pouncing and/or anti-capitalist.
But then, people who are unburdened by what has come before and/or who want to build back better, wouldn't be concerned with such things.
Is this a backdoor green initiative? Making cars so expensive the pee-ons can't afford to drive?
Mandating electric cars is part of the plan. Overload the green grid, hook everyone up to smart power meters, and then let them know which day(s) they can drive their car on.
I got that covered. I’ve got a generator attached to my bicycle to charge my car.
I'm sure it only takes a week or two to get enough charge to take it around the block.
What about parts for pagers?
Why did they use a picture of one of the bad guys from the dark crystal for this article?
Reason noticing four years later that Biden's campaign rhetoric on China was modeled on Trump's.
Different because reasons.
"That the rule protects American automobile manufacturers from Chinese competition is certain."
Seems to me it can only damage them.
All the GM brake parts, suspension parts and many other replacements parts I have put into my GM beaters are sourced out of China. The parts are cheap, even if the quality is a little suspect.
“Slapping a 100 percent tariff on Chinese electric vehicles apparently isn't enough to protect American national security.”
I have it on good authority that Trump would be worse.
It's actually a pretty interesting bait and switch. If only interesting in the degree to which it works.
We have to regulate everything from vehicle emissions to impact safety, and add security cameras to protect everyone the world over, effectively taxing car buyers in rural Idaho in order to address emissions in LA and Shanghai equally, and it's just how business is supposed to work. But if we add tariffs to make sure that the GPS isn't controlled by a hostile foreign power, it's an undue burden on progress that will cost everyone unimaginable amounts of money to even own, effectively, the same product they owned previously.
I mean, the US Government can convict a German CEO for violating CA State emissions, but the *real* regulatory overreach is ensuring that the internet-connected components... of a car... are manufactured by Americans and not a Communist Dictatorship renowned for its no-shit social credit score, spying on its citizens, and even more retarded/grandiose environmental/EV scam(s).
JFC
The proposed rule goes into effect not long before the date the current Administration wants everyone in EV’s. Say it fails and China is allowed to build parts for EV’s. Imagine some of those parts are charge controllers for EV’s and imagine for a minute China controls the software. How hard would it be for China to suddenly send an override to the car and set the batteries on fire, batteries they also make? Wouldn’t even have to be all of them, just random ones to create chaos.
I’m just surprised that someone in the Biden Administration is smart enough to figure out having China in charge of the battery manufacturing and parts for EV’s isn’t a good idea. The problem is that if China says they are out of the supplying America with EV batteries where is America going to go? China has cornered the world on the rare earth minerals to make them and environmentalists in the US who are screeching for them won’t let any mines get built.
“We are going to make sure EV’s and parts are American Made”
“That’s nice. How”?
“We are going to make sure EV’s and parts are American Made”
“That’s nice. How”?
Once again, no shit. To clarify one point: not even chaos, controlled “chaos”. Manufacturing jobs down and need more? A few more battery fires, just enough to trigger a recall, ought to help. As long as your control software is setting fire to other manufacturer’s batteries then you can issue a recall too ‘out of an abundance of caution’. Magazines like Reason will run articles extolling your virtue.
But again, we’re getting reporting from someone who doesn’t distinguish between an American automobile manufacturer, like Ford, and an automobile parts manufacturer like like Continental. Someone whose concept of a supply chain and operational security consists of getting the coffee beans out of the store room, putting them in the grinder and writing the correct person’s name on the cup.
And you might think I’m being paranoid about this shit but we’re well beyond Proof Of Concept and the proposition is pretty scary.
So, how do we make sure all EV’s and parts are American made?
Well, if people weren’t retarded numbnuts like the authors, the supply chains, consisting of Li-Ion EVs, ICEs, Hybrids, Fuel Cells, etc., etc., etc. would be too diverse for one nation to seize control of and it wouldn’t matter. Instead, we get the article about how US regulators are invariably overstepping their bounds when it comes to network-enabled devices in cars and China just wants to provide us all with cheap goods out of the goodness of their hearts.
What good came of ending the Cold War?