California Legislators Vote To Slap a Giant Warning Label on All Gas Stoves
The wordy label makes no mention of the environmental agenda driving the bill’s passage.

A bill prohibiting the sale of gas stoves that don't prominently display a label awaits the signature of California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D). California is famous for its overzealous labeling laws, but this proposed label is particularly unhelpful.
"WARNING," it reads. "Gas stoves can release nitrogen dioxide, benzene, carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, and other harmful pollutants into the air, which can be toxic to people and pets. Stove emissions, especially from gas stoves, are associated with increased respiratory disease. Young children, people with asthma, and people with heart or lung disease are especially vulnerable to the toxic effects of combustion pollutants. To help reduce the risk of breathing harmful gases, allow ventilation in the area and turn on a vent hood when gas-powered stoves and ranges are in use."
Legislators spelling "gases" the British-English way is dismissible (though odd); their attempt to bend consumer preferences to serve their overcautious health and environmental agenda demands attention.
Assembly Bill 2513, proposed by Assemblymember Gail Pellerin (D–Santa Clara), was more specific and qualified in its assertions when introduced in February. The original bill referenced the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's standards for outdoor air quality; qualified causal claims about causing respiratory illness with a "may"; and mentioned "harmful" only once and "toxic" not at all, whereas the enrolled bill deploys both alarming adjectives twice.
Despite the histrionics of the bill, 38 percent of U.S. homes use natural gas. NPR attributes Americans' affinity for gas stoves to a "decades-old 'cooking with gas' campaign." The gas stove industry undoubtedly spends money on advertising—as every industry does. But it seems like a stretch to claim, as NPR does, that "tobacco-style tactics" are responsible for the persistence of gas stoves. Home chefs "despise electric stoves [because] they take more time to initially heat up and are slower to respond when heat is ratcheted up or down," Reason's Liz Wolfe explains.
The entity that is making a concerted effort to change consumer preferences isn't primarily gas-stove manufacturers; it's California's state government. Pellerin's official website states that the "initiative aims to increase consumer awareness of the environmental and health impacts of gas stoves." The invocation of the environmental impacts of gas stoves gives the lie to claim that the bill is solely about public health.
The absence of quantitative information from the warning label also suggests that it exists more to dissuade than to inform. The warning label can't help consumers "make the decision that's right for their family," as NPR quotes Pellerin, if there's no corresponding effort to educate consumers with statistics on the extent to which gas stoves increase the concentration of nitrogen dioxide and rates of respiratory illness or other relevant information. Californians already suffer from warning label blindness; this will be just an ugly block of text on an everyday object for citizens to ignore. NPR acknowledges that the gas-stove campaign "is part of a larger climate effort to get consumers to switch to electric appliances." California legislators should do so as well.
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For California skip the wordy label and use "Gas fumes may turn your children straight!"
In west coast public schools, social pressure has most straight students claiming to be "bi, but currently preferring..."
"Legislators spelling "gases" the British-English way is dismissible (though odd)"
Huh? 'Gases' is the standard way to pluralize the noun 'gas', even in American English. I've never even seen "gasses" in this use.
'Gasses' is the verb conjugation.
The California legislature gasses their constituents. Hitler gasses some Jews.
Warning - this stove could lead to faster, more consistent, more efficient heating. Resulting in better tasting food.
As a homebrewer, the difference is more than subtle. An electric stove will not bring five gallons of wort to a boil. A gas stove will. This kind of law just pushes homebrewers outdoors to use more dangerous "cajun cookers".
At the same time there is a movement to ban outdoor grills and cookers. It's like they don't want people cooking at all.
That’s funny because when I brewed I had an electric stove and had to do everything outside. I still wouldn’t have done it indoors because I was heating strike water, sparge water, and then the wort. That would take all day with the meager flame on a gas stove, while the turkey fryer blasted the entire bottom of the kettle.
Quick name the Marxist regiem that didn't first attack the food supply
Welp, when all you will have to eat are bugs, you won't need anything to cook with.
And you will be happy.
"It’s like they don’t want people cooking at all."
Well yeah, bugs only require a light amount of frying.
They don't want _you_ cooking. They of course will have whatever style of stove they want.
It doesn't often show up in the taste of food, just makes it faster and easier to cook. And in the oven it doesn't even make that easier.
The advantage gas has over electric is time. Pans heat faster, and when you kill the heat you don’t have to remove the pan from the burner.
Pans heat faster, and when you kill the heat you don’t have to remove the pan from the burner.
Half right. See my comment below. It's been too long since I cooked on an old-fashioned coil top stove, so I don't recall. But a good glass-top stove can get things so dangerously hot, so fast, they're actually a fire hazard. Anecdote #2 about my sister and her expectations as she cooks on a gas stove.
During a family trip to her vacation town home (where she has a glass top stove) she was preheating a cast iron skillet for some complex cooking task I won't go into. I walked into the kitchen and I saw it sitting there, empty with a chernobyl-hot red burner on underneath it. I shouted to her: Uhh, you have a skillet on this burner and it's on high. From the living room while she was watching tv, she said, "I know, I'm pre-heating it, it takes a while to get it to the temperature I need."
Skeptical, but always willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, I shrugged and walked out. 5 minutes later, all the smoke alarms were going off and there was flower all over the stove and counter with her looking flabbergasted.
"What happened?" I asked.
"I put the oil in it and it burst into flames. That doesn't happen on my gas stove"
Oh, disadvantage #2.5 of gas stoves: Cleaning.
Since I can't afford a maid, I prefer the simple wipedown.
Professional cooks prefer gas ranges above anything else.
Go into the kitchen of any decent restaurant and you will see only gas ranges.
The advantage gas has over electric is time
I’ll bet NorCal Pacific Gas and Electric customers, with their $700 electric bills, might think of another advantage gas has over electric stoves:
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2024/02/ordinary-households-getting-700-electricity-bills-in-california.html
Worse in San Diego. Power costs between 30 and 70 cents per Kwh depending on peak or whatever the fuck they vary it on. Average is between 40 and 50 cents per kilowatt hour. It's more than fucking Honolulu, and double everywhere else. https://voiceofsandiego.org/2023/08/29/san-diegos-eye-popping-electricity-rates-get-national-notoriety/
Bills doubled over a few years ago, and there's another increase coming.
When there's more demand they complain there's too much demand, when there's less (from more solar and people switching out appliances and lightbulbs) they complain that lowered demand makes the grid too costly. Either way, it's always more expensive, unless you were one of the blessed ones who got solar with a big tax rebate and got grandfathered into the higher buyback rates. Those dudes get their electicity for free and the rest of us pay more, and won't get those buyback rates even if we buy solar panels.
This is the fucking California way. The haves and the never will haves. Anyone stupid enough to spend money swapping out their gas appliances for an inferior electric alternative is going to double their energy bill for the privilege.
It's okay, they jack up the price for "less diverse" areas to subsidize the "diverse" areas
Which is preferred for cooking of equine meat?
You sound like someone who doesn’t cook.
You need consistent heat to make a good dark roux, to get espagnole souce thick without burning, to get paella done and perfectly browned at the same time, to make a good hollandaise sauce, etc.
WTF are you heating? Remade can food? Maybe you just need a microwave?
Warning – this stove could lead to faster, more consistent, more efficient heating. Resulting in better tasting food.
Gas stoves do NOT lead to faster heating. I agree on the more consistent, and I'll not speak on "efficient" because I don't have the numbers.
But I own a glass top stove that comes up to somewhere around the surface temperature of the sun within about 7-9 seconds.
I remember after years of cooking on it I went over to my sister's house for Christmas and I put a kettle (very similar to my own) on her very, VERY high end gas stove and I sat and waited it for it to boil for somewhere on the order of a day and a half, and then I finally shouted to the back of the house, "I'd like to boil a kettle of water before I RETIRE!" To which she responded: "use the electric kettle if you want it fast".
As a CIA grad (in another life) agree with you on temperature reach. Electric cooktops are easier to get to temperature, including my electric tea kettle. Culinary training, Asian stir fry or wok cooking, blackened searing is based on fast maneuverings on and off open flame heat sauté pans or wok pits. I’m open to trying an electric wok but not convinced that the appropriate ventilation could be placed above. A pressure cooker is another animal that needs the heat turned up and down constantly- harder on electric stoves or risky to keep moving that bomb. And oh yeah, the electric instant pot pressure cookers are shit compared to a well German made, old fashioned pressure cooker.
The problem with the smooth electric cooktops is that, from what I read and was told, is that you cannot use cast iron pans on them.
I have several cast iron pans that I like to use for serious cooking. I would prefer a gas range over electric but the cost of converting is a bit much.
You can use cast iron, knowing and understanding that the skillet will heat up much faster. I make pizza on a paella pan on the stove then slide it in a 450 oven to finish. My guess is that induction would be much better for neapolitan pizza because of the extremely high temperature needed in the actual skillet.
Electric tea kettle has a different element inside than a stove. Yes, it can heat it up quicker because you aren't losing any of the heat. Gas has to heat up the outside of the kettle when electric tea heats the water directly.
As for pans, I've had both. Gas always seemed to be faster. My electric would take forever to boil water without a lid while my gas has no problem.
I think it comes down to the quality of stove. Gas is safer in that the heat is gone right away when off.
Induction and electric coil (under glass) tops are thought of as the same, but use different technology.
Induction uses an electromagnetic field to heat the pan that you are using, as opposed to the electric coil heating the coil or glass surface. (It’s the tea kettle as a stove). Expensive but could be a game changer.
With this said, I’m buying an induction glass top single burner from Amazon. The smoke is an issue, I’ll open the windows for pizza and wok testing.
What @middlefinger said.
The house we rent during winter has induction so we get to use it for two or three months each year. There are numerous techniques, sauté and wok among others, that we cannot do on induction and that we can in our home (Bluestar RNB range).
Another problem is griddle/flat-tops. An electric equivalent to gas requires something like 90 amp service and costs several grand.
A couple of chef's have tried going all induction and even with much higher powered commercial units have failed for this reason.
I think most average consumers will not notice a difference and likely prefer induction but for others it's not a good option.
I agree the electric water kettles are insanely fast.
Heat transfer to the pan is faster with gas.
Just so long as they put the warning right next to the useless Prop 65 warning, and use environmentally-friendly and easily removed adhesive. That'll make it easy to remove and discard both.
I heard a short quote from Pellerin (my representative, I'm sad to say). She always uses a vent hood on her stove but was surprised to discover gas ovens could also emit fumes and those don't have vent hoods. So fine, put warnings on gas ovens. We must sell at least 50 of those a year in the state, as opposed to 50,000 gas cooktops.
Snark aside, I think proponents of warnings vastly overestimate their influence. Prop 65 is the poster child for this.
The picture you paint is simply terrifying! How is it that our all-wise and knowing government won't simply ban these satanic devices of delectableness out of existence?!?
The CA legislators pass gas every time they open their sewer mouths.
“Your Honor, my client pleads not guilty due to exposure to gas stove fumes as a child. California says that those fumes are dangerous to physical and mental health, so he cannot be held responsible.”
You're missing the important part: "...and I don't get paid unless you find GE liable for intentionally hiding this obvious and long-known information."
The Baptists here are Pellerin, who honestly think they're doing good. The Bootleggers are the electric stove manufacturers and the trial lawyers. In California, assume trial lawyers and/or real estate moguls are behind everything until proven otherwise.
New electrical appliances, and EVs in California should come with a warning label about the danger of increasing demand into an electrical grid which is inadequate by design.
Chemical engineer here...
I've always used "gases."
Why will it surprise no one when the labels are completely ignored?
Whoopee, it's a stove, everybody knows what a stove is, the sticker will cost a dime.
First, the sticker, then the gas lighting, then gas stoves are banned outright.
But who needs a cookstove anyway, when all you will have to eat are bugs.
And you will be happy.
So, at the power plant, they're typically burning some sort of fuel and extracting electricity from the heat. More than 60% of that thermal energy does not make it into being converted to electricity, it actually ends up being dumped into the atmosphere. Think of those characteristic cooling towers, and power plants often being built near bodies of water. Then the electricity gets sent over the electric grid, where some energy is lost in transit. Finally, at your house, whatever remains gets converted back into heat.
Or, you could just send something through a pipe and burn it right where it's needed.
Aye.
Proposition 65 warning:
All laws passed in California have been shown to cause cancer of the brain.
I see very profitable years ahead for professional delablers. Or delabelers. Not sure of the British spelling.
Except the great brain trust in Sacramento will make it painfully illegal to remove said label.
Eventually, you will have to acknowledge the risk on the mandated touch screen interface every time you turn on a burner. There will also be a wireless retrofit (required) of your burner valves, so that if the stove doesn't have a touch screen interface, you can hop on your computer, accept the liability (and shame) for your environmentally disastrous behavior) and a web hook will open the valve for you. It's just that important!
Caution: Statements in warning label are more moronic than they appear!
wrong thread
"WARNING," it reads. "Gas stoves can release nitrogen dioxide, benzene, carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, and other harmful pollutants into the air, which can be toxic to people and pets. Stove emissions, especially from gas stoves, are associated with increased respiratory disease. Young children, people with asthma, and people with heart or lung disease are especially vulnerable to the toxic effects of combustion pollutants.
So gas stoves are sort of like COVID...
Or just a good fart.
This labeling bullshit only came about because the fuckers couldn’t get what they really wanted:
https://www.foodandwine.com/federal-court-overturns-berkeley-ca-gas-stove-ban-7482137
It's terrorism. Nothing more.
I fart in your general direction, California
The meme lords have already developed counter stickers to go over them. "WARNING. Gas stoves can make delicious food and are easier on your wallet than electric stoves."
Nobody cares. Nobody - not one single person outside of the ultra-elitist bubble detached from reality - is afraid of their gas stove. Nor should they be.
Hey guess what - my dryer is also hooked up to my gas line. So's my water heater. I'm not curled up in the fetal position sucking my thumb over some environmental hysteria.
Nobody is.
How about another label?
One that says "warning, when the power is out, you can light the burner with a match and not starve."
That's California . First comes the warning label, then, the outright ban. Just like the ban on gas lawnmowers and weed eaters.
California has gone from one of the most attractive states to live in to one where people can't wait to leave. Thank the liberal neo-Marxist crazies for it. The same type of crazies who run Minnesota.
Unfortunately, here in Michigan, we have some of those same neo-Marxist crazies in Lansing. They haven't gone quite that far yet........
I support bans on gas mowers and other lawn tools. We’ve had to retreat inside more than a few times from the noise and fumes of the yard crew one of our neighbors uses. Our neighbor on the other side, like us, uses all electric tools that produce much less noise and no fumes.
If people would be more considerate of their neighbors and buy quieter and less fume producing electric tools then bans wouldn't be necessary.
I’m not aware of any drawback to electric lawn tools that would be a reason to need gas. For lawn services they require a bit more planning but for the benefits that isn't a big issue.
There’s a rumor that Stihl is planning to phase out gas powered products over the next three years – not because of any mandates in California but because they don’t see a need for gas products anymore.
Now do the same for EV batteries.
Progressives don’t want this put on the back burner?
This completely ignores the fact that cooking itself, regardless of heat source, causes harmful effluent. Bacon one of worst that's routinely cooked in homes. My MIL's burnt roast a close second (though I love her to death so scarf it down like I love it).
No matter the heat source people should have good ventilation - and ventilation good enough to remove the harmful effluent from cooking will also remove byproducts of gas combustion.
I think a bigger concern should be warning labels on doors. All doors that open to the exterior of a building should have a label on their inside that reads: “Danger! Don’t Go Out There! There’s Stuff Out There That Could Kill You!"