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Why You Shouldn't Fret Much Over Russian Election Interference

Governments are always screwing with other countries' politics. It’s often ineffective.

J.D. Tuccille | 9.9.2024 7:00 AM

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If you missed the news, Russians are interfering in American politics again. If you missed history, Russians are always interfering in other countries' politics—and so is everybody else, including the U.S. Screwing around with foreign elections is a popular sport for the world's regimes, though it's not clear that websites, bogus social media accounts, and funds funneled to a political-commentary network will return more bang for Putin's rubles than did past social media shenanigans.

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Russia, Again

"The Justice Department today announced the ongoing seizure of 32 internet domains used in Russian government-directed foreign malign influence campaigns colloquially referred to as 'Doppelganger,' in violation of U.S. money laundering and criminal trademark laws," according to a September 4 government press release. "In conjunction with the domain seizures, the U.S. Treasury Department announced the designation of 10 individuals and two entities as part of a coordinated response to Russia's malign influence efforts targeting the 2024 U.S. presidential election."

The indictment specified "the defendants, have deployed nearly $10 million, laundered through a network of foreign shell entities, to covertly fund and direct U.S. Company-I [which] publishes English-language videos on multiple social media channels, including TikTok, Instagram, X, and YouTube."

"Many of the videos published by U.S. Company-I contain commentary on events and issues in the United States, such as immigration, inflation, and other topics related to domestic and foreign policy," adds the indictment. "While the views expressed in the videos are not uniform, the subject matter and content of the videos are often consistent with the Government of Russia's interest in amplifying U.S. domestic divisions in order to weaken U.S. opposition to core Government of Russia interests, such as its ongoing war in Ukraine."

Based on details in the indictment, Company-1 has been identified as Tenet Media (since shuttered), which managed a stable of right-wing pundits including Lauren Southern, Tim Pool, Taylor Hansen, Matt Christiansen, Dave Rubin, and Benny Johnson. The company promoted, the indictment says, "nearly 2,000 videos that have garnered more than 16 million views on YouTube alone."

Very nefarious, right? Well, maybe not. While Tenet founder Lauren Chen has gone quiet and lost her gig with Blaze TV and channels on YouTube, Tenet's contributors seem baffled by the whole thing.

"The Culture War Podcast was licensed by Tenet Media, it existed well before any license agreement with Tenet and it will continue to exist after any such agreement expires," insists Tim Pool. "Never at any point did anyone other than I have full editorial control of the show."

Benny Johnson also says, "I am the only person who ever had editorial control of my program."

Translated Russian documents outlining a "guerilla media campaign in the United States" caution their intended audience that "in the United States there are no pro-Russian and/or pro-Putin mainstream politicians or sufficiently large numbers of influencers and voters. There is no point of justifying Russia and no one to justify it to." The campaign was meant to exploit "the high level of polarization of American society" by paying commentators to say things they were already saying.

It's not clear they got a lot of mileage from that program.

Not a Lot of Bang for the Ruble

"Numbers like those might sound impressive," independent journalist Ken Klippenstein wrote of the Tenet pundits drawing 16 million YouTube views after receiving $10 million. "But my Twitter analytics informs me that over the past year, my posts garnered 463 million views. So Russia's dastardly scheme reached a small fraction of the people my dumbass posts do."

That's typical for foreign meddling in our already messy domestic politics.

"It would appear unlikely that the Russian foreign influence campaign on Twitter could have had much more than a relatively minor influence on individual-level attitudes and voting behavior," concluded a 2023 analysis of Russian interference in the 2016 election published in the journal Nature Communications. The authors added, "we did not detect any meaningful relationships between exposure to posts from Russian foreign influence accounts and changes in respondents' attitudes on the issues, political polarization, or voting behavior."

In 2020, foreign influencers worked against each other, including supposed allies in the latest Axis of Evil. A 2021 report from the government's National Intelligence Council, which reports to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), found "Russian President Putin authorized, and a range of Russian government organizations conducted, influence operations aimed at denigrating President Biden's candidacy and the Democratic Party" while "Iran carried out a multi-pronged covert influence campaign intended to undercut former President Trump's reelection prospects." Also meddling were forces including "Lebanese Hizballah, Cuba, and Venezuela."

This sort of sounds like a cost-effective means of funding U.S. elections—just let foreign intelligence operations pay for them. But the ODNI report cautioned these schemes "undermine public confidence in the electoral process and US institutions, and sow division and exacerbate societal tensions in the US." Which means getting us upset and pointing fingers about foreign interference is a goal of these schemes.

The same can almost certainly be said when U.S. agencies join the fun.

Election Interference Is a Game the U.S. Also Plays

"I was alarmed in 2016 by how policymakers and commentators frequently described Russian interference in our election as unprecedented," according to the Wilson Center's David Shimer, who wrote Rigged (2020) on the topic. "Many former CIA officers told me in interviews that they viewed the '48 operation in Italy as the agency at its best. And in the aftermath of that operation, as the CIA's chief internal historian put it to me, the agency and the KGB went toe to toe in elections all over the world."

The National Endowment for Democracy, founded by Congress in 1983, is "dedicated to fostering the growth of a wide range of democratic institutions abroad, including political parties, trade unions, free markets and business organizations." It does so through "grants to support the projects of non-governmental groups abroad." I find the NED and its goals less troublesome than those of Russians funding U.S. political pundits, but I bet lots of people elsewhere disagree. Fundamentally, it's all part of the same international contest to screw with the internal debates of allies and adversaries alike.

So, take reports of Russian interference in American elections with a grain of salt, knowing that Putin is paying Americans to say what they already believe, and the U.S. does the same in other countries. Importantly, none of that interference prevents you from making your own decisions.

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  1. SQRLSY   2 years ago

    Who does Putin want us to vote for?

    Who does Spermy Daniels want us to vote for?

    Who do the Lizard People want us to vote for?

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Well Putin just endorsed Kamala, so there's that.

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Putin is just doing it for the blowjobs.

        1. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

          Aren't we all?

  2. SQRLSY   2 years ago

    Pssst! Pass it on!

    The ghost of Adolf Hitler pays Rob Misek 50 cents per post!

    Also, the ghost of Karl Marx pays Marxist Moose-Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer (AKA Mother's Lament, with a Head Full of Cement) 51 cents per post, to advocate for replacing Section 230 with Government Almighty ownershit of ALL web sites!

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Hey Sqrlsy, tell everyone what you thought 230 did again.

      1. SQRLSY   2 years ago

        It protects us from the Marxism of Marxist Moose-Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer!

        1. Eeyore   2 years ago

          I thought that was Trudeau's nickname.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Sqrlsy doesn't always know what words mean.

            1. Eeyore   2 years ago

              https://babylonbee.com/news/breaking-if-elected-trump-promises-to-create-a-derogatory-slur-for-canadians

              1. SQRLSY   2 years ago

                Good stuff, thanks! This IS the REAL Trump!!!

                "It'll be the biggest, most beautiful slur anyone has ever heard," Trump said in the announcement. "For so many years, even before I became president, people always asked me, ‘What should we call Canadians?' I know how to create slurs, believe me. Nobody is better at it. That is why, if I am elected, I promise to create an all-new derogatory slur for Canadians. 'Hoser' and 'canuck' are boring and lame. I will make a perfect slur for all Canadians, no matter who they are. Make Canadian slurs great again!"

  3. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   2 years ago

    The whole Russia is trying to influence our elections is so hypocritical it is laughable. The funny thing is that the Biden regime is complaining over small items, but is guilty of much worse and much more egregious attempts of trying to meddle with elections of affairs in other countries.

    Personally, I don't like either Putin or Biden.

    1. Ron   2 years ago

      Wasn't china caught paying some big league NY papers to publish shit yet there were no indictments for that. we have different rules fore different groups i wonder why

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

      "...The funny thing is that the Biden regime is complaining over small items, but is guilty of much worse and much more egregious attempts of trying to meddle with elections of affairs in other countries..."

      And in this country.

      1. Wally   2 years ago

        It's unfair that you consider the state police telling people what must be censored to be some sort of election interference.

  4. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    https://babylonbee.com/news/grizzled-hillary-clinton-pulled-out-of-retirement-for-one-last-russian-collusion-hoax

  5. Bipedal Humanoid   2 years ago

    The Leftists who run the Biden/Harris sock puppets do not like competition in their interference.

  6. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

    I might have to change my handle back to Russian Bot. Got good mileage out of that one.

    1. SQRLSY   2 years ago

      Maybe try on for size, "TrumpPutinLoveChild".

  7. Jerry B.   2 years ago

    Is Putin endorsing Harris considered election interference?

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      That's (D)ifferent as always.

  8. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

    I was at the supermarket yestreday, when three white guys with track suits and fake gold chains started following me. My spidey senses were tingling. I got out of there quick as I could. I new they were Russians who aimed to influence my vote.

    1. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

      The stupid top knots give them away around here

  9. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

    Personally, I worry a lot more about the following agencies interfering in the election (given past behavior)….FBI, DOJ, CIA, NSA….than I do about Russians, Iranians and Chinese.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Remember when the Russians told us the Hunter Biden laptop was disinformation?

      1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Shrike and a Jeffy still swear it’s ’disinformation’.

  10. SRG2   2 years ago

    I suppose it's worth notIng that right-wing posters here generally fall into one - or both - of two relevant categorie: those who deny it's happening, and those who approve of it.

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      Democrats did it first so that makes it ok.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

        Lol. Man. The sad fact sarc jumps in on it is an extra bonus shrike. Good work.

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Did you even read SRG's lie, Sarckle? Do you want to tell us how the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians? Given that every single accusation turned out to be fraud.

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

          He doesn’t know. He just blindly attacks a Trump, and protects his precious democrats. He’s also probably still drunk from the weekend.

        2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          I suppose it’s worth notIng that right-wing posters here generally fall into one – or both – of two relevant categorie: those who deny it’s happening, and those who approve of it.

          Ummmm, where’s the part about Trump colluding with Russians? Care to point it out? Do I need Canadian maple-whine goggles or something?

          1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

            Let me help you out there little buddy. The statement those who deny it’s happening, and those who approve of it. assumes the collusion is happening and you either deny that 'truth' or approve of it.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Search for the word "collusion". The first time it's mentioned is in the Canadian's strawman.

              That means that "it" in the context of the article is "Russian interference" which you guys either deny exists (perhaps because you believe there was collusion with Trump) or approve of because it took votes away from the other side.

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                You're such a little fucking weasel with your retarded word games. SRG was trolling about people who "deny" Russian collusion occurred, despite that every single accusation turned out to be deliberate fraud, and you know this.
                Your stupid little sophomoric attempts at sophistry like this is shit most people grew out of in middle school.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  You’re the one who said collusion, oh goalposts carrying strawman slayer extraordinaire.

    2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

      This retarded argument brought to you by shrikeNPC. When you have nothing intelligent to say, you can count on shrikeNPC.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      It’s a bit rich for any American to be complaining about Russia election interference, after our own fuckery with theirs in the 90s ended up leading to Putin coming to power in the first place. We did the same shit with Ukraine and Afghanistan over the last 15 years.

      I don’t object to the fuckery, because that’s what global superpowers do. They just shouldn’t bitch when peer or near-peer adversaries do the same thing back to them. Framing it as a moral issue is completely disingenuous.

      1. SRG2   2 years ago

        Do you object to Americans approving of foreign interference in US elections?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Alright. Every single accusation, every single one, of Russian collusion, turned out to be not just lies, but deliberate and manufactured fraud by the Hillary campaign and allies in the FBI that went so far as purposefully lying in a senate report.

          In any sane functioning society this would have been yet another scandal of the century, but instead we have gibbering politruks like you still deliberately pushing what you know to be lies even after they have been conclusively proven to be such.

          So how should any sane functioning society regard agents of deliberate malinformation like you?

          1. SRG2   2 years ago

            Wherein MoLa indicates he's never heard of Paul Manafort or Rick Gates

            1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

              Like how Manafort was tried while working for Podesta, a democrat?

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

          When you have nothing intelligent to say, you can count on shrikeNPC to say nothing intelligent.
          FOAD, asshole.

        3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          I object to the fake moralizing over it.

          1. SRG2   2 years ago

            By implication, therefore, you're ok with Americans approving of foreign intervention.

            1. Think It Through   2 years ago

              Other Americans can advocate for whatever they want. Free speech and all. Plus freedom of thought.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              I'm okay with it if it hurts the left.

        4. Bipedal Humanoid   2 years ago

          Who cares? Who is going to stop them? It is all completely irrelevant...and Obama and Democrats made up the whole Russia thing in 2016 anyway and you know this.

          1. Ersatz   2 years ago

            Hey - if we sacrifice enough of our freedom of speech we can stop them for sure!
            ... well .. almost for sure. But its worth it even if it doesnt work.

          2. windycityattorney   2 years ago

            So when the russians hack the DNC and RNC emails and only release DNC emails... its 'made up?' When Trump repeatedly lied about not having a project for a hotel or condo in Moscow is that made up as well??

            Somebody hacked Trump's campaign this election cycle (Iranians?) but the media isn't reporting on it even though some of the materials were allegedly shared with various media outlets. But I couldn't go a day several years ago without some Q-nut freak telling me how Podesta's emails about pizza was code for child sacrifice and adrenochrome.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Your side didn't have a problem with it when the US did it to Russia in 1996, why are you crying about it now?

        5. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 years ago

          Does this foreign interference include Soros?

    4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

      As opposed to steaming piles of TDS-addled shits like you who believe it.
      FOAD, asshole.

    5. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Does this kind of logically fallacy play out well with the childless cat ladies in Londonstan?

    6. Zeb   2 years ago

      Can you provide some examples of each of those? Because what I see is pretty much people saying "of course it's happening, why would you expect anything else?" Approval or disapproval is irrelevant. You have to be a dope to imagine that it hasn't always been happening and that there is anything you can do about it without destroying freedom of speech. Governments of major countries, even friendly ones, spy on each other and try to influence each other. That's how it is.

    7. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      And lefty crackers like SRG always fall into one category: blind acceptance that Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair!

      Haha. What a doosh.

  11. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 years ago

    WOLVERINES!

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      What is enfilade firing?

    2. AT   2 years ago

      ngl, anyone living near an American AFB should probably start adopting that mentality and soon.

      Somethings tells me a lot of Chinese nationals on American soil are going to need killing by local good 'ol boys within our lifetime. Probably a lot of residential real estate that'll need recapturing in the process.

  12. JohnZ   2 years ago

    Hmmm, let's see now, there's Italy in 1948, then Iran in 1953 overthrowing a democratically elected Mosaddegh and replacing him with the bloody Shah, then in 1973 the CIA went to work in Chile, this time managing to convince Allende to commit suicide by shooting himself in the back with a machine gun.

    "America, the international Jeckyl and Hyde
    The land of a thousand disguises
    Sneaks up on you but rarely surprises
    Plundering the Asian countryside
    In the name of Fu Man Thieu
    The obvious key to the whole charade
    Would be to run down all of the games they played
    Remember Ditta Beard and ITT, The slaughter of Attica
    The CIA in Chile, knowing nothing about Allende at this time,
    In the past, as I recollect, Augusta, Georgia
    The nomination of Supreme Court jesters to head off the tapes
    William Calley's Executive interference In the name of John Wayne
    Kent State, Jackson State, Southern Louisiana.
    Hundreds of unauthorized bombing raids.
    The chaining and gagging of Bobby Seale
    Somebody tell these Maryland governors to be for real."
    Gil Scott-heron/ Watergate Blues

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      The revolution will not be televised.

  13. Beezard   2 years ago

    It’s Russian spy whales you have to look out for.

  14. JEP41   2 years ago

    Frankly, I've never fretted a bit about any foreign election interference of the mis/dis-information type.
    Our own politicians and our own main stream media have no meaningful competition in that area ... from anywhere.

  15. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

    I laugh because I equate it to people getting angry about who gets to lie to them.

  16. shadydave   2 years ago

    The only point of any of this is to discredit people like Pool and Rubin ahead of the election. That's it. Guilt by association.

    I don't much care for either of them (or Johnson). But that's beside the point. I don't care for Hasan Piker either and he should be free to say whatever the hell he wants without the Federal Government leaning on him constantly.

  17. flag58   2 years ago

    In other words " today is Monday".

  18. Ron   2 years ago

    The indictment specified "the defendants, have deployed nearly $10 million, laundered through a network of foreign shell entities, to covertly fund and direct U.S. Company"

    how many shell companies does the Biden family have, at least 20 that we know of. When will teh they get indicted.

    1. SRG2   2 years ago

      "What about...?"

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 years ago

        Gee, yeah, nothing to see here, right asshole?
        FOAD.

      2. Beezard   2 years ago

        “…a two tiered justice system?”

        Good question.

      3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Cries of "whataboutism" are a fallacious argument in and of themselves, as they are an attempt to disparage valid comparisons without having to put in the effort of actually explaining why.

        1. BYODB   2 years ago

          It’s a real thing but it’s also something that a lot of idiots don’t understand.


          “The technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.”

          Calling for someone to be investigated the same way as another similar thing was investigated is not a whataboutism by any stretch of the imagination.

          Also, calling Ron’s comment a whataboutism is somewhat amusingly a whataboutism itself. It attempts to deflect from the comment rather than address the comment directly.

          The More You Know™

      4. Rick James   2 years ago

        The point is not "let's get Biden", the point is, "you can't swing a dead cat in Washington DC and find a think tank that isn't funded by foreign governments".

        The original point of FARA was to stop foreign governments from influencing congress and legislators, but it's been unconstitutionally expanded and reinterpreted to mean that we can go after anyone who may have been perceptibly funded by some foreign entity, including a youtuber in a basement with a Shure Mic stand.

        So "whatabout" is entirely appropriate here.

    2. Dr. Ormand von Kleigstadt   2 years ago

      And how many shell companies does Sheldon Adelson's trust have? Oh wait, when we're talking about *that country's* election interference and corruption of American politics, we don't even have to go looking for shell companies. Our media giants, like our politicians and deep-staters, are open pro-Israel Zionists and with a twist of mental gymnastics, also very much pro-Bandera/Nazi Ukraine.

  19. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

    Has the DOJ considered going after these YouTubers’ subscribers? Or at least threatening to hit their Social Scores?

  20. Dillinger   2 years ago

    I don't fret at all thanks.

  21. Bipedal Humanoid   2 years ago

    Should I fret about 51 former US intelligence officers who want to blow Harris dick interfere?

  22. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

    The reason you shouldn’t fret about Russian Interference -is that the puddly amount they have invested in the margins serve no other practical purpose than to introduce the cudgel of “Russian Interference!” into our discourse

  23. Eeyore   2 years ago

    How much foreign interference was laundered through the Clinton Foundation? Are they still butthurt they didn't get more donations from Russia?

  24. JohnZ   2 years ago

    Is not to worry komrade, it's all for the sake of saving DEMOCKRACY!!

  25. Rick James   2 years ago

    Why You Shouldn't Fret Much Over Russian Election Interference

    This headline suggests that there IS election interference, but it's not as bad as the Democrats' say...

    1. Rick James   2 years ago

      I not entirely comfortable with a dude watching my teenage daughter in the changing room, but I do recognize that a man can be "born in the 'wrong' body"...

      I don't think Biden is cognitively delayed, or is suffering from any diagnosed condition, but he is old...

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Would that wrong body also include 4 functional limbs? Or lacking fur and a tail? Asking for people who might want to be quadriplegics or cats.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      Only officially approved experts should be allowed to express opinions on politics. Otherwise, you never know when someone might be interfering with an election.

      The whole framing seems off to me. If Russians were trying to actually change votes or election procedures, that would be interference. Trying to inject information (or disinformation) is something different, and something everyone should expect all the time. I don't like that Russia appears to want to promote discord in the US. But expecting and demanding to be protected from shit like that is not a good way to deal with any problems that it causes.

  26. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    How about Democratically-dominated state election boards? Can we worry about those?

  27. JeremyR   2 years ago

    Articles like this should really have a disclaimer about Reason's past association with Russia Today

  28. Heraclitus   2 years ago

    Phew! Glad we cleared that up. I'll go cash my George Soros check now.

  29. Sopater   2 years ago

    The problem is that they believe that the dumbest, most influential idiots might have their vote swayed by foreign influencers, and they were really counting on those people to vote for the current administration.

  30. Ron   2 years ago

    the crazy thing about the claimed interference by paying podcasters to keep saying what they are already saying will only bring more attention to those podcasters. how many more people will now look for them to listen for themselves. I've seen a few pop up on X now and then but I never stop at their little diatribes, maybe i should hear what they have to say

  31. Dr. Ormand von Kleigstadt   2 years ago

    And yet, in no case, on either (mostly fake) side of the political divide, are we allowed to point out (((which country/interest))) is the real interferer in our elections.

  32. AT   2 years ago

    What always gets me about the "foreign meddling" narratives is the cognitive dissonance.

    Like, if the headline were "Hamas/Iran meddling in American elections!" If that had a pro-Trump effect, the left would have their predictable freakout - but this is the same left that is pro-Hamas/Iran.

    The same goes for Russia (and China and Saudi Arabia). The people that decry foreign election interference are the very same ones that can't wait to cozy up to these nations, and barter away American interests for their favor.

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