The War in Ukraine Is Already Over—Russia Just Doesn't Know it Yet
A front-line report from the Kursk offensive reveals that in the battle for hearts and minds, Ukraine’s resolve outpaces Russia’s crumbling morale, signaling an inevitable conclusion.

Wars end long before armistices are signed. A war's end, after all, is a matter of will, of spirit—and popular will is only haltingly, grudgingly reflected in the political machinery of peace talks.
Though it may seem astonishingly premature to say so, my impression after returning from the Russian front is that the war in Ukraine is over and that the powers that be haven't realized it yet. In the Kursk salient, at least, I can personally attest to the eerie, almost surreal inversion of spirits between the people of Ukraine and Russia. The moral scales have now firmly settled on the side of the Ukrainian defenders, and it is far likelier that Russia itself splinters into its constituent republics than that Ukraine falls to its erstwhile invaders.
I was in Irpin and Bucha nearly three years ago, while they were still smoldering from Russian occupation. The mood then, as we pulled burned bodies with bound hands from the tree lines, was a tragedy-enforced grim determination. Evidence of Ukrainian resistance was everywhere: crates of Molotov cocktails on street corners, invective-laced messages scrawled on storefronts, spent shell casings piled behind makeshift barriers against the intruders—all of it unequivocally pointing to a deep-seated resolve.
In Russia today, it is entirely different—it is a moral vacuum. Its citizens in Kursk fled the Ukrainian advance like smoke in the wind, leaving homes and possessions without so much as a whimper. I saw exactly one makeshift roadblock, consisting of a few chairs and a rake. Russian civil resistance is (or was) desultory at best. The comparison is stark: Despite Russia's enormous advantages in mass and material, the will to fight is fundamentally absent.
Ukrainian morale, meanwhile, is topping the charts—bordering on euphoria even. A fervent passion for taking the fight to their enemies has infected the front and operations are conducted amid a general scrum of units desperate to be part of the action. A sense of Wild West–like possibility draws a cast of aggressive fighters, many eagerly engaging in their own semiprivate pirate operations in the free-for-all. This does not necessarily imply a lack of Ukrainian command and control, only that a willingness to take the fight into Russia is pervasive—the Ukrainian armed forces are like a spirited charger, barely reined in. The ambiance is almost party-like—battle-hardened and battle-hungry troops alike joke and banter at the last gas station before the Russian border, glad and relieved to be free of the grinding stalemate of the last months as they race toward the expanding front.
In Russia meanwhile, there is silence. Of the tiny handful of remaining civilians in the Kursk area, some eagerly interact with the occupiers while the rest furtively attend to their habitual routines. One woman we spoke to turned down an offer of Ukrainian cash (a gift from my daughter), asking bitterly, "And where would I spend that?" Dogs and cats wander the streets forlornly, while herds of sheep move in from the countryside to gorge on the town's unharvested fruit trees.
Those Russians left behind engage in petty low-grade looting of their former neighbors' homes. The overriding sense is one of poverty—physical as well as moral—a kind of community-wide bankruptcy. A faded plaque on a home proclaimed a "Veteran of the Great Patriotic War" once lived there, and my Ukrainian comrade noted how sadly decrepit his home was. "Russians are known for brutalizing their neighbors," he said, "but it is the Russians themselves who are the most brutalized of all because they do it to themselves."
Ukrainian occupiers, for their part, are too busy dashing into and through these small Russian towns to bother much with the spoils of war. Moreover, the comparatively wealthy Ukrainian forces laugh at the grimy and obsolete possessions of their neighbors—continually surprised at the degree of pervasive shortage. Ukrainian soldiers instead feed the abandoned dogs, then move quickly onward to press their advantage at the far fringes of the active front line.
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The action in Kursk is a reminder to Westerners that the Russian behemoth is far from a monolithic, integrated federation. It is instead a tentative, demoralized, loosely adhered tissue of a nation, held together primarily through fear and learned dependence on the state. Separatist sentiment, never fully extinguished, is rising rapidly in regions like Chechnya and Karelia and across some 85 other autonomous regions spanning 11 time zones, most of which have long traditions of independence.
Leo Tolstoy famously wrote of the Russian army: "This horde is not an army because it possesses neither any real loyalty to faith, tsar and fatherland—words that have been so much misused!—nor valour, nor military dignity. All it possesses are, on the one hand, passive patience and repressed discontent, and on the other, cruelty, servitude and corruption." Things have not appreciably improved since.
Russia's incursion into Ukraine has simply run out of moral impetus. It has the resources, of course, to engage in a substantial amount of lingering mayhem. No doubt it will. But the Ukrainians I've met simply cannot envisage a scenario in which they lose. They are prepared to fight in the streets to the last man, and their commitment to freedom is overwhelming. In contrast to the current Russian mood, which seems largely to be one of confused apathy, Ukrainians have the decided advantage.
Wars are won in the heart of a people, not through the rational calculations of military planners. While there is momentum left in the Russian war machine, it is only a matter of time before reality sinks in that the Russian heart is not in this fight. Whether the war ends in the shattering of its fragile federation or in some half-hearted armistice measures to mitigate its appalling losses, Russia simply cannot go on. The Kursk offensive, for all its complexities and contradictions, has, if nothing else, opened a clear window into the popular wills of each side.
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What is this neocon John Bolton looking article doing here?
Doubling down on the propaganda since RFK threw in with Trump eh?
“The Ukraine war,” he continued, “began in 2014 when US agencies
overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine and installed
a hand-picked pro-Western government that launched a deadly civil war
against ethnic Russians in Ukraine. “
RFK August 23 2024
Absolutely correct. Victoria Nudelman and Samantha Power were chief instigators for the See Eye Aye and the Trotskyite neo-cons.
"Eye" and "Aye" are homophones. Maybe you should go with "See Eye Eh" instead.
that's a Canadian org
The war began in 2004 when Putin poisoned Ukrainian President Yushchenko with dioxin and tried to kill him. Russia has been messing with Ukraine since the jump. They want a puppet like they have in Belarus, and Ukraine doesn’t want to be a Russian puppet.
That’s possible, I wouldn’t doubt it. But do you have proof?
“To this day, there is no definitive answer as to how and who poisoned Yushchenko,”
The 2014 recording of Nuland and Pyatt is the smoking gun proof that the US coordinated the coup and resulting civil war.
AT BEST the US is no better than Russia.
How would the US respond if North Korea established itself on its borders in Canada or Mexico? That was a rhetorical question.
You are correct, the culprits were never found, and Bellingcat didn’t do an in depth investigation with pictures of the assassins (well this was years before Bellingcat). But Yushchenko himself was days away from an election against a Russian stooge, he was leading the polls decisively (which led to the election # 1 which was rigged -> Orange Revolution -> new vote and election #2 where he won decisively), and Yushchenko himself noted that there were several other attempts on his life leading up to this poisoning.
Also, poisoning political opponents is something that the Russians have been known to do.
It took the US to create a coup, bloody civil war, put a Jew stooge in as president and use Nazi terrorism.
Refuted.
This is what you’re saying about yourself when you parrot “refuted”.
1. You’re upset by something I’ve said.
2. You’re too stupid to actually refute it.
3. You’re too bigoted to consider that what you can’t refute might be true.
4. You’re too stupid to consider your dilemma in silence.
5. You’re so angry that you’ll make a fool of yourself trying to anger me too.
Seriously dude. Hahaha
Lighten up. He meant "debunked".
That doesn’t make any difference. Nothing has been debunked.
Who asked you to be the fuckwit spokesman?
You’ve been debunked. Move on you idiot Nazi/islamist.
In which case he was still wrong.
Like I say to all fuckwits,
Prove it.
Sure Misek, it’s all the Joooooooossssss fault.
So, are you a neo Nazi, or an Islamist?
See above
6. In the case of a hasbara troll you’re willing to say that about yourself for a few shekels.
So are you a neo Nazi, or an Islamist?
Put the crack pipe DOWN.
I agree with you. Sometimes I wonder just what kind of "reason" some of the authors on this site subscribe to?
It’s their culture of lying, really a weak relationship with truth, reality, rationality.
Lying is coercion that benefits the liar at the expense of those being lied to.
Secret societies, satanic pyramid schemes, were developed millennia ago to advance the wealth of the members in secrecy because of their corrupt methods. Secrecy requires lies.
Their wealth keeps them in secret power to perpetuate the cycle.
The irrational authors here are still trying to benefit from lies, resulting in obvious bigotry.
The ONLY obstacle to their corruption is the free speech that exposes them. So they try all kinds of coercion to censor the truth.
We, our society, needs to criminalize lying before they succeed in total censorship of the truth that exposes their corruption.
Telling us how a ton of nukes might potentially get out into the wild. Whee!
You'd prefer something from one of these guys? https://nypost.com/2024/09/04/us-news/secret-russian-influence-campaign-paid-10m-to-prop-up-right-wing-us-commentators-indictment/
Lol. Congrats on being the first ignorant person to fall for the Garland propaganda. Did you even read the indictment?
“Garland Propaganda.” Is your claim that none of the allegations are true?
If you have ever listened to Poole you would know what a farce that whole thing is. BTW: read Poole's statement about it. He is very clear what was going on and he nor Rubin have been accused of anything.
But don't let that stop you from swallowing another election RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA CHINA CHINA CHINA ploy by desperate Dems. Besides, I thought China was our besties. Lord knows Biden and a bunch of Dem Governors have taken millions from them.
Pool claims he was a victim. Of what?
Tim Pool was paid 100k a month or something stupid to a) shit talk Ukraine b) sporadically call for civil war in the u.s. or at least the imprisonment or execution of traitor democrats c) generally shit post d) support Trump
Assuming he WASNT in the know where the money was coming from, wouldn't one think, after receiving news of the indictment, there might be a single moment of reflection: how is it that these Russians thought it would benefit them to prop up me???
Well, to be fair, did we really need a Federal indictment to show that Tim Pool is a moron?
Watch even a few minutes of Tim Pool talking and you will see how easy it is to fool that poser.
Because there’s no reason to do any of those things, and there isn’t a huge American audience clamoring for it? Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Man this article brought out all the neocons.
This article has brought out a lot of people that will swallow any story without doing a little research. Be very skeptical of anything people associated with this administration says especially in the lead up to the election.
Are you talking about Ukraine? Or about the Kalashnikov indictment? If the latter, would be happy to see whatever research you’ve got that shows the allegations in it are false.
Who cares? How about all the Chinese spies working for democrats? Or the American politicians working for China?
I’m far more interested in that than Tim fucking Pool.
The piece is actually almost comical.
You can almost see the WWII-style V-Day photo montage of people coming home from war with the spinning newspaper transitions of headlines reading:
"Urkainian Leader Wins War Of Morale!"
"Russia Maintains Resources To Occupy Territory But Loses Popularity Contest!"
"Doomed, Unsustainable Offensive That Plays Directly Into Fears About NATO Everywhere Wins Wills Around The World!"
"American Declares Russia Can't Possibly Sustain A Forever War!"
-The last one gets an ironic an sub story headline, or two, about America also declaring that Israel needs to compromise with Hamas and the piles of weapons left in Afghanistan.
The moral scales have now firmly settled on the side of the Ukrainian defenders, and it is far likelier that Russia itself splinters into its constituent republics than that Ukraine falls to its erstwhile invaders.
A new low for Reason.
I guess I’ll get my geopolitical news from somewhere a bit more legit, maybe Al Jazeera or even CNN.
Reason has been pretty good about Ukraine. They've affirmed that it is in the right and that Putin is the villainous aggressor, but have discouraged direct US involvement that might escalate the conflict.
None of that changes the fact that Ukraine is in a rough position and that the U.S. has wasted billions on it when they should’ve stayed away altogether. How stupid have you been?
Reason is now going full Deep State War Pig. What a toilet this place has become.
And the article is such pure gaslighting. A sparse population in Kursk decided to leave national defense to the professionals instead of getting themselves exterminated, and somehow that spells doom for Russia.
Russia has been relentlessly gaining ground for the last year, and at an accelerating pace. If Zelensky wants to continue getting thousands more Ukrainian troops massacred in the Kursk hinterland, Russia will gladly oblige them.
The Kursk fiasco is sacrificing thousands of troops for pure political theater with no strategic benefit to Ukraine. Russia will keep winning the NATO Russian War while Zelensky puts on another fundraising telethon.
"Over? Nothing is over till we say it is!" -- future Senator Blutarsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trljmnV6blE
America didn't surrender when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
Mnemonics are always helpful! This one works for this item!
NAZI navies set sail in 1492,
And made Pearl Harbor sad and blue!
Don't despair, Russian Brethren! Der TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer will soon ride to your rescue!
By all means. Americans need to shell out more money to Ukraine, after all it's in the name of "Democracy". /s
It's in the name of bleeding the Russian Beast, and keeping them from re-assembling their empire in Eastern Europe! If Eastern Europeans wanted Putin as their Emperor, they be letting everyone know!
Lessons from Munich: Appeasement doesn't work!
Perhaps that’s the point of Li’l Cheney’s article: pretending that Russia’s collapsing will make it easier to throw money at the author’s pals in the Ukrainian gov.
Pretend away, POS, no one’s buying it.
BTW, Lester Holt warned us about foreign “election interference”, and the brave US DOJ taking down websites know to be publishing misinformation this week. “Citizens in Kursk fled the Ukrainian advance like smoke in the wind, leaving homes and possessions without so much as a whimper” sounds like Ukrainian propaganda to me,
Somebody get brave Merrick Garland on this
I don’t know what Kool-Aid you have been drinking.
Russian troops have shown that they are effective behind prepared defenses.
The Russians have a huge advantage in manpower over Ukraine.
In the war of attrition in the Donbass area, Ukraine has no chance of pushing the Russians away from their prepared mine fields, tank traps, ditches and pre-registered artillery fields of fire.
The Ukrainian army did attack in an unexpected area in Russia, but that was a huge strategic mistake.
Putin has been fighting with one hand tied behind his back because he can’t use his millions of conscripts outside Russian territory proper.
It is likely that the Ukrainian incursion into Russian territory will be overwhelmed by sheer numbers.
With the loss of large numbers of Ukrainian special forces soldiers.
This incursion has been a huge boost to Ukrainian morale, and if the Ukraine forces can hold on to some Russian villages in the face of the coming Russian counter attacks, Zelinski will have a bargaining chip to trade for some of the Donbass territory.
As a neutral observer in the United States, I see the war ending in a negotiated settlement with Russia keeping most, or all of the territory it has gained by military force.
The Russians have a huge advantage in manpower over Ukraine.
And yet keep having to rely on what used to be known as penal battalions.
Yes, I'm not so sure that huge advantage is materializing. This isn't 1930 Russia where the leaders can execute everyone who refuses to fight. From some of the foreign sources I've been reading there is a big problem actually getting people to fight in Ukraine. Is Ukrainian moral as high as the author says it is? IDK. Could be but there are also reports of a whole lot of Ukrainians trying to escape conscription by crossing the border.
My inclination is that both sides are looking for an off ramp where they can save face.
When Zelensky has to send out press gangs to kidnap young boys and old men off the streets and now even women are being forced into combat, one has to realize just how bad it is.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Nothing says "Morale is on our side" like having to kidnap citizens to throw onto the front lines.
The numbers I've heard are that Russian forces have been growing steadily at about 30k a month.
What the Biden Administration has succeeded in doing is putting Russia on a war mobilization footing while they've pushed Russia, their army, their nukes, their natural resources, and much of the world into the CCP bloc.
It's a calamity for the world, and particularly for the US.
Revenge is a strong motivator. Russian armed forces deserve a lot of fucking revenge from the perspective of the avg Ukrainian.
This 100%
None of that refutes what docduracoat has stated with regards to the actual state of the war. You two don't seem to get that.
Show us the use of any "penal battalions" since Wagner exited the Ukrainian theater. It's the Ukrainians press ganging 17 and 53 year olds off the streets of nova Galicia and forcing them into battle with less than a week's training and a mysterious lack of weaponry considering the vast sums of money that us US taxpayers have been forced to spend on allegedly arming them up.
I think it will end exactly as it could have 2 years ago before the Biden regime sent Boris to smoke the deal. Russians in Donbas repatriated into Russia. The rest of Ukraine remains a western cash cow. Would have saved a few hundred thousand Ukrainians but their morale doesn't matter anymore.
Russians in Donbas repatriated into Russia.
They voted for Ukrainian independence in 1992. The two Donbas districts (the unoccupied portions) voted overwhelmingly (85+%) for Zelensky in 2019.
I'm not a fan of the US influencing what happens here. But why is Putin's opinion the deciding factor - when Putin himself has explicitly said Ukrainians and Ukraine are not real. They are either Nazis or 'Little Russians'.
You left out the fact that the elections were rigged.
Putin is also correct that Ukrainians weren't a thing—the region now called Ukraine was once known as Little Russia and people there didn't identify as Ukrainians until a later time.
Not that any of that matters with Putin's aggression or the state of the war, but you haven't been honest with the facts. Perhaps you ought to stop your deception altogether.
Proof of election rigging required. You can't force people to be something they don't want to be, in this case, Russian.
Your comment reads like what Mearsheimer posts. The article doesn't refute that. It merely points out that the will to fight is what really matters. Not the counting of manpower and weapons and money and such.
IDK whether the author of the article is correct. But his premise IS correct. It is always the will to fight which matters
For those who lean towards non-intervention - it is precisely the possible scenario of breakup of Russia into its constituent parts which should draw attention. Because it is non-interventionists who should be in the foreign policy room figuring out what is happening and how to respond. Otherwise - only the interventionists will be in that room figuring out what is happening and how to respond - and everyone knows their agenda.
I don't think Russia will break into parts until Putin is gone. He is the one thing holding it together right now. The real shit show will be when he dies or is weak enough that a coup takes place.
The only way "Russia" (which most dumb Americans confuse for The Russian Federation) breaks up - i.e., is "Balkanized"- is if whoever succeeds VVP is a bought and paid for agent of the western oligarchy (City of London, Wall Street) or an CIA/MI6 stooge. The goal in breaking Russia up is to once again allow western finance capital to swoop in and scoop up all those precious resources for pennies on the Ruble and keep the resulting independent statelets in a perpetual state of chaos sufficient to ensure they never again join together to protect Eurasian interests against the voracious, corrupt western finance/investor class.
So the Ukrainians are committing warcrimes then by taking civilian hostages. Yeah, that will go well for them.
FWIW I still think that one morning we wake up to discover that Putin was "replaced" the previous night.
It beggars belief that Putin still has some supporters in the West. You don't show your disapproval of prostitution by cheering on Jack the Ripper.
Compared to cheering on a Mussolini type leader in Ukraine.
While we're on the subject of murder, consider the more than 12,000 ethnic Russians in the Donbass who were ruthlessly murdered by Ukranian forces.
Zelensky rules as a dictator. A very corrupted dictator.
https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara
Happy to help.
That would be amazing if the Kremlin were wasting hard currency paying the likes of JohnZ to spew such crap. One thing we’ve been learning is that while Putin may be evil, a genius he’s not.
The source is wrong:
https://www.unian.info/war/10416549-donbas-war-death-toll-rises-up-to-nearly-13-000-un.html
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians
What? The government lied again? You don't say...
It's no surprise that you two believe a dishonest government report. But the numbers just don't add up.
Maybe you aren’t familiar with the history. Zelensky was elected in 2019 - western money was on Poroshenko to be re-elected. But the people wanted someone who would fight corruption - Zelensky was an actor (Solovyov was on TV with him) and an outsider. Zelensky is a native Russian speaker, and Jewish.
Maybe but you do acknowledge Realpolitik and realize that the destruction of Russia into warring factions might just be worse than having it run by 1 dictator.
Delusional.
Considering the Soviet experience in Afghanistan, a lot of people were wondering what Putin was thinking when he launched the invasion.
What he was thinking? He was warning that inviting Ukraine into NATO was a red line. Putin was worried that he was being surrounded by NATO which was formed to stop Russian expansion. Was Putin planning expansion? Not in a military sense most likely but he was doing exactly what America was doing, meddling in elections, installing sympathetic leaders etc.
And he ends up with Sweden and Finland in NATO as a response with how many hundreds of thousands Russians killed and wounded?
Do you think Sweden and Finland are going to defend Ukraine should Ukraine be inducted into NATO? How about the new, more diverse, UK? The "The IDF really needs to find a more peaceful compromise with Hamas." United States? Was the EU or NATO going to sit by if Russia launched an offensive against Sweden or Finland? Maybe as importantly, Putin actually does know whether Russia did or didn't blow up NS1 and NS2.
Good luck with your increasingly expensive, corrupt, backstabbing, ineffective, military alliance decadent Westerners!
That's an underappreciated aspect. Russia's once-vaunted military has been largely destroyed in this war. Russian industry cannot build new tanks, planes, or even trucks at the rate they are being consumed, only managing to keep up by pulling old junkers out of Soviet-era storage yards and refurbishing them. An artillery piece made in the 1930s has recently been seen being used by Russian forces in Kursk. Without those storage yards, which are approaching functional depletion, Russia's production capacity is not much above France or Germany, let alone the US. Despite the popular impression that all manufacturing has gone to China, NATO countries collectively dwarf Russia's heavy industry.
And the notion that Russia has endless hordes of conscripts is a fantasy that dates back to WW2-era propaganda. Instead, African mercenaries were seen fighting on the front lines last month. A million young Russian men have fled the country to avoid conscription, and while I think the article above is exaggerating the strength of separatist movements, it is true that many of the federal states in the Russian Federation are semi-autonomous ethnic minority states that would rather not be ruled by Moscow. Any Russian leader who sends the army to fight a foreign war has to keep something in reserve in case of opportunistic separatists. That's the biggest reason, for example, that Ramzan Kadyrov's clown show has been kept at the front. They aren't much help there, but at least they're not at home plotting a third Chechen War.
That’s an underappreciated aspect.
Unless you're plotting a WWII-style invasion it's not underappreciated, it's overhyped propaganda.
Russian law only allows conscripts to fight in Russia.
Putin has had to rely on penal battalions, contract soldiers and foreign troops in Ukraine.
Now that Ukraine armed forces have entered Russia proper, the entire might of the Russian Army can be used on Russian soil.
Putin has at least a million conscripts available to counter the Ukrainian incursion.
Even a quarter of that number will overwhelm the special forces sent into Russia.
"Russian law." Is Russian rule of law a real thing? Cuz I am having a hard time believing Putin gives a single momentary thought to what the "law" says he can or cannot do as concerns waging war (excuse me, special military operation).
Does Russian law say he can blow up a plane of one of his mercenaries who dared to defy the State propaganda? Murder political opponents? What are you even implying with this?
Russia has laws. Why are you surprised by this?
Nothing you say changes the fact that that they can now use conscription to fight Ukrainian troops. It doesn't matter what you think the rest of Russian law is; how can you be so dishonest?
Did you miss where the conscripts aren't trained and surrender without a fight?
Or did you miss that Putin promise Russia conscripts would not fight or see battle.
There is a lot of pressure against using conscripts unless you want a civil riot.
It's not the 50s unmore.
I'd say Putin buying arms from North Korea and Iran might be a warning signal that he is running out of the means to fight.
You don't have to completely annihilate your opponent to win a war. You just have to either remove their will or their means to fight. Putin is apparently coming close to both.
Countries are free to sign their own trade and security arrangements. Sorry, but that’s a fact. No one invaded Russia, or wants to invade Russia.
The fact that there are Ukrainian troops at Russia shows that you’re heavily mistaken. There's also some Japanese who suppoer getting some territory back that they lost back in WWII but couldn't since their military couldn't leave Japan until recently.
That's not what we said about Cuba, and certainly not what we'd say about Mexico.
"Considering the Soviet experience in Afghanistan . . . "
The landscape of Ukraine consists mostly of fertile steppes (plains with few trees) and plateaus, crossed by rivers such as the Dnieper (Dnipro), Seversky Donets, Dniester and the Southern Bug as they flow south into the Black Sea and the smaller Sea of Azov.
What part of that sounds like mountainous terrain populated by tribal peoples?
"Of the tiny handful of remaining civilians in the Kursk area, some eagerly interact with the occupiers..."
Big mistake. You're on the list for an all-expense-paid trip to the gulag.
Better to just loot your neighbor’s homes like the retreating Russian army did.
The Russian army isn't retreating. There are still soldiers at Ukraine.
Another neocon screed from this clown in an ostensibly libertarian publication? Seriously? KMW must go.
The War in Ukraine Is Already Over—Russia Just Doesn't Know it Yet
I guess now that Hillary Clinton is no longer a viable candidate, The Clinton Foundation, which totally wasn't a money laundering, pay-to-play political scheme can close up shop.
Wait, wait, sorry... [flips pages in notes]
I guess now that Joe Biden is no longer a viable candidate, The War In Ukraine, which totally wasn't a money laundering, pay-to-play political scheme can come to a mutually-agreed win for everyone.
Are you aware that the war in Ukraine was started by Russia?
The decision to throw huge amounts of money at Ukraine to prop them up has had a lot to do with how it played out, though.
Are you aware that the current regime in Ukraine was placed there by Washington? Are you aware of the work of Victoria Nudelman, and Samantha Power who spurred on the Maiden and threw out a democratically elected president who was on good terms with Russia, only to be replaced with a corrupt leader and held hatred for Russians.
Are you aware of the massacre in the Donbass, where more than 12,000 ethnic Russians were murdered by the Azov Btn.
You are neither aware of the facts or choose to ignore them
Most of this is due to Washington's failed and disastrous foreign policies.
Not aware because none of this is true.
As long as we're all OK with a running series of money laundering, pay-to-play political schemes, anti-democratic anointings and rites of succession, and political persecutions operated by members of one party domestically, that's the important part.
We allocate billions in defense spending to the threat of Russia. The money that’s going to Ukraine degrades that threat for pennies on the dollar.
1. We allocate billions in defense spending to the threat of Russia and we've factually sent billions to Ukraine. Your "pennies on the dollar" assertion doesn't even add up superficially.
2. Are you saying that since we're saving money on Ukraine, we're going to cut defense spending? Because, since the fall of the Soviet Union, spending that you assert to be countering the threat of Russia has only gone up.
Moreover and again, those points aside, and I appreciate you continuing to prove my point about how, in some minds it really is "Who cares how crooked and corrupt our own government has to get in order to support or oppose Ukraine or Russia, what's important is that we support one and oppose the other!"
1. Are you saying defense spending isn’t real money? If only.
2. Also if only. But, even if that doesn’t happen, degrading Russia’s ability to attack NATO allies, who we’d have to defend, is helpful.
Any crookedness and corruption are already baked into defense spending; at least when some goes to Ukraine, we’re getting something for it.
Any crookedness and corruption are already baked into defense spending; at least when some goes to Ukraine, we’re getting something for it.
Again, I thank you for the frank openness of your “I don’t actually care about the morality or the corruption or the impact to the lives involved as long as I’m getting a good deal (even if the deal is actually only 99 ‘pennies on the dollar’).” statements.
Well, it’s not up to me. As long as, for example, there’s an Air Force base in North Dakota that constitutes one of the main job programs there, and as long as North Dakota gets two senators, it’s going to be hard for me to do much about that corruption.
@TZM
You lost the argument.
Those US jets at Minot--vast fields of them--can fly straight up way faster than sound. Easy to calculate that they can scramble to intercept ballistic missiles at the frontier of space, fulfilling the requirements of the Second Amendment and Article 1 Section 10 State's rights to shoot down imminent invasion. Maybe someday we'll have capabilities to timely detect and intercept Chicom balloons.
None of what you described has actually happened. Hypotheticals mean nothing when we've spent billions on a proxy war!
Good point.
Read mad.casual's rebuttal above.
It would be more accurate to say "The war in Ukraine was started by America and the Uniparty looting the country for it's own ends pissing off Russia by getting NATO involved to cover up what they were doing"
"The War in Ukraine Is Already Over—Russia Just Doesn't Know it Yet."
Who gives a shit?
It's a European war.
Let the Europeans kill each other.
Sorry, but this is a narrow view of a narrow section. I will list myself as cautiously optimistic. The one good thing is that it's pretty clear that the Kursk counteroffensive didn't backfire. There wasn't an uprising of Russian outrage that Ukraine would dare strike on Russian soil. Instead it seems to be draining Russian morale and making people more upset with Putin.
On the other hand, I'm not seeing the Russian war machine back down significantly either. It looks like we are looking at a long stalemate. Ukraine can't take Moscow. Russia can't take Kiev. It will go until Russia finally decides that it has had enough and either gives up or pushes the nuclear button.
The strategic point of Kursk was to drag Russian troops away from the Donbas. Didn’t really seem to happen. Russians are still advancing.
Meanwhile it dragged Ukrainian troops away from the front.
All the headlines I see are all over the map, sometimes one says the exact opposite of the one above and the one below. Russia is on its last legs, Ukraine is on its last legs, Putin is dying or about to be couped, yada yada yada.
The only conclusions I have are pretty basic.
* Putin's a piss-poor wannabe Hitler, gobbling up small pieces leading to more gobbling. At the rate he's gobbling, it would take a century to gobble anything significant.
* Zelensky's a different kind of fraud, what with cancelling national elections because Putin has gobbled small sections where Z-man can't stuff ballot boxes.
* Russia's incompetency has been on display now for 2½ years. They should have been able to crush Ukraine, given the disparity in sizes. Idiotic initial northern invasion, stalemate in the southeast, can't even control his own private militias, dependent on North Korea for ammunition and China for tires.
The general tenor of TFA, that Ukrainian morale (NOT "moral", you idiot) is better than Russian, must be part of Russia's problem, but that doesn't mean Ukrainian morale is high enough to outlast Russia.
And stop stealing my money to send to them. If Z-man was honest and Ukraine was not a cesspool of corruption, I might have been willing to send some money their way, just because Russia and Putin are worse. But tha would be MY choice, not Biden's.
<iAnd stop stealing my money to send to them.
This is it for me. Otherwise, I have no need to have a strong opinion on the conflict. I'm not a fan of Russia's invasion. But it's a regional conflict that I shouldn't need to care about very much. Leave me (and my and other Americans' tax dollars) out of it.
And the thievery in Ukraine continues.
Ron Paul, The Great Ukraine Robbery Is Not Over Yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh5-fhBkuug
[tilts hand]
The destruction of NS1 and 2 would be astoundingly and unprecedentedly fucked up if it weren't for the series of astounding and unprecedented fuck ups going on around it.
Not that I think we should've been spending the money, just that I could see a situation where actual signed treaties kick in and we have to do *something*.
Beyond blowing all the money we don’t have, I’m sick of having to cater to full bore war time propaganda 24/7 and government threats against speech as if we’re the ones who were actually at war.
But that's the beauty of this -- most of what were giving Ukraine is just old stock weapons from the 90's and 80's.
Weapons we would of had to pay MORE money to dispose of.
In the meatime, we get data on how those weapons counteract the Russian's latest tech, and figure out new tactics for drones, all without losing American lives.
It cost us 100+ billions to give them those weapons? Also some of the tanks we’ve sent them aren’t scrap and the Russians now have them.
It cost the Ukrainians tens of thousands of lives listening to NATO during the utter failure that was the previous offensive. Which was 100% political as opposed to strategic or tactical.
And Americans have already died over there. Including one in a Ukrainian jail.
My problem with this take is that it’s ultimately based on the idea that we have really smart and capable people running our militaries right now. Nothing in the last 10 or 15 years has suggested that,
Cautiously optimistic is about right. The Ukrainians have shown they will fight to the limit of their abilities, but Putin has painted himself into a corner. This ends when Putin decides to use some clever words to admit to a stalemate that reduces the amount of territory held by the Russians. Ukraine will rightfully grumble, but realize that they do not have the military force or backing to completely throw the Russians out. The defacto border will be tense for a generation until there is some other geopolitical event.
I think there's a good chance Putin's death is the only way out, whether it's from natural causes or not. The problem dictators have is ensuring a good successor. They don't trust strong independent staff and advisors and underlings, so the only strong possible successors are not usually inclined to continue their predecessor's policies. And withdrawing back across the recognized borders is one way to discredit Putin and show his independence.
Or his successor could be such a charismatic leader that he boosts morale and reverses their incompetency.
It might be Zelensky's death the only way out, when the people have had enough of that coke sniffling little midget, and the CIA decides he needs to go.
Hope he has an escape plan or he will end up as another western European leader did in Romania.
Since Zelly owns some very nice chateaus on the Med and even in Miami, probably next to Nancy and Paul, he'll have an escape plan . Not to worry, the American taxpayers will pay for his protection.
Yes, you're right. I should have included him. But Putin's a lot older and surrounded by more sycophants. His death is more likely.
Elon Musk said Putin is the richest man in the world, not himself. The Ukrainians are fighting for their homeland - what are the Russians fighting for? To assuage the ego of one man? How many Russians really believe the original Putin excuse of de Nazification? Every Russian in Ukraine now knows this to be false. Prigozhin admitted as much before he was murdered with an S300 missile to his airplane.
The Russians have stated that they're fighting for the Russians living at Ukraine who aren't happy with Zelenskyy and want to break off. Remove whatever ego Putin has and that won't change.
And contrary to your claim, Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem:
https://news.sky.com/story/canadian-parliaments-standing-ovation-for-former-nazi-soldier-was-deeply-embarrassing-trudeau-says-12970074
You have been deceived.
Ukraine having its own nuclear button to push could have been a poker hand raise to price "the" Russian button right out of the market. The sad fact is that Ukraine let a politician sign away its armaments and live. Nixon tried the same thing and got ousted pronto. Now Ukraine looks uncomfortably like Czechoslovakia or Poland stranded in the 1930s while the rest of the world has modern weapons. Their mistake--disarming in a world overstocked with looter governments--teaches us a lesson well worth remembering.
We now know you're happy with going to war.
or pushes the nuclear button.
That's it. Russia will tire of the war eventually and neutralize Ukraine with strategic weapons. The final outcome has never been in doubt.
The headline is laughable. It's not Russia who's the problem but Washington.
It's the little coke sniffling midget, Zelensky who doesn't know it's over . It's the Trotskyite neo-cons who don't know it's over . It's the CIA who doesn't know it's over . It's the Democrats who don't know it's over.
Ukraine is running out of bodies to send to the eastern front. Those who haven't left the country and escaped to Ireland, Poland or elsewhere, were kidnapped and sent to the front, including teenage boys, old men and now even women, only to be slaughtered wholesale in that meat grinder.
How soon before the little clown Zelensky meets the same fate as Ceausescu?
Ukraine is a corporate landscape.
Go collect your rubles already.
https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/ad-hominem-fallacy/
You did nothing to refute the fact that Ukraine is in a rough position.
Russia’s goals in Ukraine: denazification, demilitarisation and a neutral status. Not working so well. 300,000 conscripts and old prisoners aren’t going to conquer 43 million people who don’t want them there.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1296573/russia-ukraine-military-comparison/
An additional 300,000 troops is by no means a trivial number. They don't need to take down 43 million people to reach their goals.
Please check for updates on the coke usage. It seems that video interview was very heavily doctored and the original reference to addiction referred to coffee.
Whether this is wishful hyperbole or exact truth, one thing has become abundantly clear by Putin's disastrous invasion of Ukraine: the once greatly feared and highly vaunted Russian military machine has been revealed as a paper tiger almost from day one of the invasion as a twenty-mile-long military column became bogged down in the mud. If Ukraine had had even a minimal Air Force at the time two jets could have destroyed the entire column in less than a day. The dreaded Wehrmacht Panzer divisions collapsed after D-Day in a very similar way despite the Blitzkrieg early on. The lesson here is that the people should never let bloodthirsty politicians push our buttons. We have been in an almost constant state of war since the Cold War and it's high time we dumped the war hysteria.
Their army has been hallowed out, all special forces annihilated. Prime example was day 1 at the Hostomel airport. It was like the Russian Seal Team 6 getting smoked - the whole team X10 wasted. Sure, they can recruit more - most new Russian soldiers appear to be in their 50s, still wearing colored wrist bands showing all of their diseases. And finally a war where a country isn’t asking our troops to do the fighting. After Iraq and Afghanistan, in Ukraine you have a people who will do the fighting themselves.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1296573/russia-ukraine-military-comparison/
Russia is still in a position to fight. We're either headed for a stalemate or they go nuclear.
Putin put a billboard in Moscow that said - Russia's borders don't end. That is in part why, he decided to start a war with Ukraine - in order to annex what he occupies as Russia so he can FIGHT a war in Russia.
Your house is just a house that isn't mine - yet.
Pootin's commie Russia is the same one that put up billboards in parks in July 1931 saying "2+2=5" (a reference to achieving the goals of their 5-year plan in 4 yrs). Much of Soviet popularity came from Vertov's "Man With Movie Camera" flick showing Russians guzzling beer in saloons, snorting coke in train stations and even a quick flash of what looked like white powder opiates. This came out when Bert Hoover Americans got 5 years and a 10,000 gold dollar fine for possession of beer. (Youtube versions censor those scenes)
There is no such censorship. What you described simply didn’t exist the way you said it did.
If Putin wanted to do that, you'd think he'd do exactly just that, no? Yet he's focusing on Donbas and Crimea. His actions suggest your allegations are wrong.
He annexed Donbas and Crimea and two other provinces. So yes – he is ‘fighting in Russia’. In part because he can now force conscripts to go fight there. Not sure he’s done that quite yet but those fights are still ‘in Russia’.
If he ever advances beyond those provinces, then he will annex them too even if he doesn’t control them – yet
Very cheerful fluff, to be sure. But Tolstoy? He died back in the Battleship Potemkin era when Roosevelt was first getting the Hague to declare Filipino rebels terrorists and demand a War on Drugs. That prohibitionism occurred after Tolstoy was a moulderin' in th' grave. The Christian monarchist army he saw was in the Hayes-Cleveland-McKinley-Teedy era, not 1917. Optimism is cute, but Bob knows, God fights on side with heaviest artillery. Ukraine politicians signed away their dupes' rights to keep and bear nukes. Otherwise there would be no war to whistle in the dark about.
Tolstoy was right.
Mind you, no such "Christian monarchist army" existed; the ones that took over Russia were vehemently anti-Christian. Ukraine was going to be treated terribly even if they had any weapons.
I find this hard to believe.
Even if the Russian people are against the war, and they are, Russia can continue to force its draftees to fight. And it has a bigger pool of people to draft than does Ukraine.
As for Ukraine invading Russia, big deal. If Canada or Mexico wanted, they could easily invade the US, and hold some territory while the US army is elsewhere. That doesn't mean they would win in the end.
They can have Chicago.
What a bunch of rah rah propagandistic bullshit.
After reading this article and accepting it at face value , I concluded that Russia is not really a threat to invade other European countries and we can stop giving military and other aid to Ukraine.
^This.
Nah, like Zelensky said, they still need ammo.
The least we could do is demand, in exchange for that ammo, exclusive rights to Europe’s largest deposits of rare earth minerals. Is everyone missing this as it's one of the reasons Putin want's control of the regions he does.
Regardless of how and who will eventually "win" the war, the one thing for certain is that the USA Taxpayers should not be involved in any way including funding any war without a formal declaration of war by congress by our representatives we send to Washington DC to represent us. Without a formal declaration any military action or involvement should be limited to a maximum of 30 days do deal with emergencies, but 30 days should be long enough for the legislature to authorize continued military action or involvement through a formal declaration.
Early this year Congress did vote to continue sending aid to Ukraine.
Yeah, and that was stupid. Just why are you supporting the war this way?
I cannot help but think that the American November election will play a big part in the length of the war. A win by Kamala Harris will signal that the Russians cannot win and that they must negotiate. This may well be why Putin is pushing Russian propaganda so hard before the election.
Putin isn’t gonna comply with anything Kamala does. He didn’t do this with Biden, what makes you think Kamala of all people would change his mind? Is she gonna send U.S. troops to the war?
If anything, Trump winning would increase chances of a Putin withdrawal.
I disagree, Putin is hoping for a Trump victory as he has leverage with Trump. Trump will withdraw support and leave the Ukraine to Putin. Harris will not change policies but leaving Putin stuck in a stalemate where negotiating is the only option out.