Kamala Harris vs. Elon Musk
The Democratic nominee has favored policing online speech. Would a future Harris administration defend free expression?

Would President Kamala Harris shut down X, the social media site now run by Elon Musk? Supporters of former President Donald Trump—including Musk himself—certainly seem to think so.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the independent semi-candidate for president who is currently backing Trump, suggested as much last week. He reposted an old video clip on X of Harris in which she said: "There has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power. They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight and regulation, and that has to stop."
RFK Jr. transcribed part of the clip and wrote that Harris also said: "He [Musk] has lost his privileges."
Kamala Harris: "He [Musk] has lost his privileges."
Can someone please explain to her that freedom of speech is a RIGHT, not a "privilege"?Kamala Harris: "There has to be a responsibility placed on these social media sites to understand their power."
Translation: "If they… https://t.co/BzuTYoJjuV— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) September 2, 2024
But Harris was not referring to Musk; she was referring to Trump. In fact, the clip—which Musk shared as well—is from 2019, long before Musk acquired Twitter and renamed it X.
Accuracy is important, and both RFK Jr. and Musk should modify their comments so that their sizable audiences understand that Harris did not threaten to take down Musk, or all of X, or anything of that sort. At the same time, this incident provides a worthwhile reminder that 2019-era Harris was positively obsessed with getting Trump kicked off Twitter. Her monomaniacal focus on deplatforming Trump is representative of some of the worst tendencies in progressive speech policing and does not bode well for a future Harris administration.
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Tweeting About Trump
In 2019, Harris ran for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. She withdrew at the end of the year, in December, before any votes had been cast in the primaries, and ultimately endorsed the winner, Joe Biden.
But she was in the race long enough to participate in the October 15 Democratic primary presidential debate, alongside Biden and a slew of other candidates, including Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.), Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.), and others. One particularly tense exchange took place between Harris and Warren, when the latter pointedly refused to endorse the former's assertion that Twitter must ban Trump from the platform.
This clip is from 2019, when Kamala Harris kicked off a push to remove Trump from Twitter (and spark life into her failing campaign.)
It failed. Harris tried to pressure other candidates to join her but candidates like Elizabeth Warren dismissed her pic.twitter.com/TakvFOjBkn
— Charlie Spiering (@charliespiering) September 3, 2024
Harris laid into Warren, saying: "I was surprised to hear that you did not agree with me that on this subject of what should be the rules around corporate responsibility for these Big Tech companies, when I called on Twitter to suspend Donald Trump's account, that you did not agree. And I would urge you to join me, because here we have Donald Trump, who has 65 million Twitter followers and is using that platform as the president of the United States to openly intimidate witnesses, to threaten witnesses, to obstruct justice. And he and his account should be taken down. We saw in El Paso that that shooter in his manifesto was informed by how Donald Trump uses that platform, and this is a matter of corporate responsibility. Twitter should be held accountable and shut down that site. It is a matter of safety and corporate accountability."
Warren responded by asserting that she had more pressing concerns than dealing with Trump's account specifically. (These concerns included vast new antitrust initiatives that would reduce the influence of social media platforms, which would also be bad.)
It was after the debate, during an interview with Jake Tapper, that Harris said of Trump, "He has lost his privileges" on social media and ought to be banned.
Subsequently, Harris served as President Biden's veep and was thus complicit in the administration's vast pressure campaign to motivate social media companies to take down contrarian content relating to Hunter Biden, elections, and COVID-19. Her remarks at the debate, all those years ago, expose an obsession with policing disfavored speech online. And as Harris herself said in a recent interview with CNN: "My values have not changed."
Banned in Brazil
In recent weeks, Brazilian Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes has taken increasingly aggressive steps to force Musk to purge alleged disinformation from the platform, ordering the removal of over 140 accounts. When Musk refused, Moraes ordered the blocking of X for all Brazilians. People who use a VPN to evade the block and access X anyway can face fines of almost $9,000 a day.
This is brazenly authoritarian. As The Washington Post wrote in an editorial lambasting such censorship: "Whatever the threat to democracy that the accounts Mr. Moraes wanted gone might have posed, the threat from one government official limiting the speech of 220 million people is greater. Taken together with Mr. Moraes's choice to freeze the assets of internet-provider Starlink, a separate company of Mr. Musk's, this move aligns Brazil not with the free world but with the likes of China and Russia."
Yet not everyone agrees. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, a former Democratic member of Congress and former deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee, posted on X, "Obrigado Brasil!" which translates to "Thank you, Brazil!" The comment was widely interpreted as support for Moraes's regime of censorship.
It is worrisome to see a prominent Democrat applauding a foreign government's efforts to censor an American company. Free speech is under significant threat from a rogue judge in Brazil, from the Chinese Communist Party, and even from European Union tech regulators. Would a future Harris administration stand up for the fundamental principles of the First Amendment and defend the legal right to engage in disfavored speech, or would she seek to bring X, Facebook, and Google under greater government control?
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Worth Watching
Last week, I mentioned that I was replaying one of my favorite video games: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. I have now moved on to its sequel, which might literally be my favorite game of all time: The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Here's part of my 2020 review commemorating its 20th anniversary:
Majora's Mask is a surprisingly sophisticated, lyrical meditation on the theme of coping with one's own mortality. It forces players to consider what the sudden, unexpected end of civilization would look like at the micro level: for a mailman who's run out of time to deliver his last letter, for the frustrated director of a theater troupe, for a lonely dairy farmer, and so on. Sometimes the hero doesn't save the world. Sometimes there are no good outcomes. Sometimes it's simply too late.…
A long list of horrors awaits Link: a tree with a pained expression, later revealed to be a runaway son deformed and murdered by the Skull Kid; the ghost of a hero who died in an avalanche; a farm beset by alien (yes, alien) abductions. The game's rigid schedule makes the horror more real. If Link visits the park north of town on the first night—and only the first night—he can save an old woman from a mugging. If he fails, he must buy her purloined goods from the pawn shop on night two. There's a haunted house on a forlorn beach, but Link has to cleanse it before the third day, at which point the owner loses interest. It hardly matters, because everything resets when Link travels back through time at the end of the three-day cycle. Visit the town's laundry pool at just the right moment, and a circus performer will confess that a fit of jealousy caused him to steal a magic artifact from the circus's leader: a dog. "Why was the dog the leader??" the perplexed performer wonders. Why, indeed?
This is a fantastical game that bears little resemblance to anything from the worlds of fantasy, and the game's visual style and musical cues reinforces the theme of dread. The townsfolk are pointy humanoids with exaggerated smiles and frowns. The swamp's color scheme is green and purple, giving it an unwell feeling. The background music gradually intensifies as time marches on, and the last five minutes of the third day produce a cacophony of bells and sorrowful sounds. Even the upbeat tunes have a note of understated sadness to them.
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But Harris was not referring to Musk; she was referring to Trump. In fact, the clip—which Musk shared as well—is from 2019, long before Musk acquired Twitter and renamed it X.
Can you stop pushing the corporate media/DNC game of pretending Kamala has moved to the center and is a moderate?
End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
Kamala: I will direct the DOJ to censor "misinformation and hate" online
Video
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1831709604876607760
This whole we can't look at her past positions is just dumb. She is an awful candidate. When do you ask for accuracy the other way? Jacob posted the classified documents with covers that the FBI brought with them for fucks sake. Reason has zero leg to stand on.
She is an awful candidate.
She is a monster.
She's a vapid, shallow, brainless marionette. The ones pulling her strings are the evil monsters.
She’s also an evil monster.
Some monster's can be idiots. They don't all have diabolical intelligence.
"I'M SPEAKING!!!"
"Yes, Ma'am, you certainly are ... but the problem is you are not SAYING anything."
Trump should use that at the debate if she pulls that crap.
When do you ask for accuracy the other way?
The specific premise of the Section 230 argument is that Congress is free to allow corporations to be as dishonest and cavalier with their opposition's speech as they desire but that the corporations must toe the line when it comes to Congress' or The Party's speech, lest they find themselves liable.
A deal which effectively nulls out the 1A even, or especially, if you assume Congress and Corporations doing the right thing and/or acting in good faith.
At the same time, this incident provides a worthwhile reminder that 2019-era Harris was positively obsessed with getting Trump kicked off Twitter. Her monomaniacal focus on deplatforming Trump is representative of some of the worst tendencies in progressive speech policing and does not bode well for a future Harris administration.
Me thinks Robby is aware. He goes on from there.
Subsequently, Harris served as President Biden's veep and was thus complicit in the administration's vast pressure campaign to motivate social media companies to take down contrarian content relating to Hunter Biden, elections, and COVID-19. Her remarks at the debate, all those years ago, expose an obsession with policing disfavored speech online. And as Harris herself said in a recent interview with CNN: "My values have not changed."
Maybe read the whole article? I know it goes against a long standing tradition on this board.
Maybe read my entire comment if you demand I read it all. I’m tired of this one way accuracy matters as my post states. It is a wat to criticize the right for the bad acts of the left. Soft condemnation more critical of those condemning the totality of the acts. It also doesn’t matter who it is about because her anti free speech takes is consistent. So fuck off. I made it clear my issue in the post. Even gave an example of Reason not being accurate.
Get it. You’re butt hurt that not everyone bows to the corporate media.
Just pointing out Robby went onto to blast her record since you didn't read it all and got your knickers in a bind over it.
RFK made a factual error. I don't see any problem with Robby pointing that out.
And who is saying we can't look at her past positions? Isn't that what this whole article is about?
Zeb. What is the more important libertarian story? A candidate who has been pro censorship for 5 years. Or a meaningless factual mistake that doesn’t change that fact?
Where does Reason demand accuracy the other way in this manner? I mean look at their original Steele reporting articles. Or Robbu reporting Ford eas credible under Kavanaugh.
Reason seems to demand exacting accuracy in only a single direction. Often to blunt or dismiss the heart of the criticism. Does the statement being about Trump instead of Musk make it better or something?
Well, if he was going to use the RFK tweet as the lede, then I think he did right to correct it. Maybe it would have been better not to use it and just make the case that Harris sucks on speech.
Maybe I'm just not looking for how normal, low-info morons would read it. To me it seems like an article about how bad Harris is on free speech and that's what I took away from it.
She is saying we can't look at her past positions.
According to Kween Kamala, her positions remain the same. But all the positions that 'remain the same' are the opposite of the positions she had before 2020.
She's the lying, awful politician. That's expected.
She's the lying, awful politician who represents a party dedicated to furthering the elimination of basic liberties, promotion of a crushing nanny state, elimination of free markets, and pursuit of a post-modern Neo-socialist world. That might be expected but it is not acceptable.
There is one Harris position that hasn't wavered, going all the way back to when she was the California DA persecuting Backpage: She loves censorship.
Kamala: I will direct the DOJ to censor “misinformation and hate” online
WHAT?! Not the resurrected Disinformation Governance Board?
Scary Poppins is back, and she's pissed!
Reason used to be cool with social media censorship. Did the facts change?
You need to go watch the Taibbi hearings on the Censorship Industrial Complex if you are confused which party poses the biggest danger to free speech.
The Democratic nominee has favored policing online speech. Would a future Harris administration defend free expression?
Robby (congrats on your appearance on Dad Saves America podcast, btw). The CURRENT administration not only hasn’t defended free expression, but aggressively and illegally attacked it. Why would a continuation of the current administration defend free expression? Or are we doing the “No” answer for any headline ending in a question mark?
My read of the article suggests and answer of "no" to the headline question.
And that's the problem I list above. A soft condemnation of facts and more forceful one of mis stating the target if the statement.
Kamala Harris vs. Elon Musk
Worst mud wrestling event ever!?
But Harris was not referring to Musk; she was referring to Trump.
So what? The underlying point of Harris's comment is what it is. If she believes that free speech is a privilege and not a right, it should be little recompense that she was threatening to revoke that privilege from someone you're not a fan of (Trump) over someone you might well be a fan of (Musk). The logical conclusion of her comment is that she'd just as much have the authority to silence Musk as Trump.
For God's sake, Reason, stop felching the Democrats. They're really not that into you.
How is that felching Democrats (gross, BTW)? He corrected a factual error made by a Democrat (albeit one who is very much on the outs with the party). She didn't say that about Musk and it would be irresponsible to perpetuate the incorrect interpretation of the 5 year old statement. And then the rest of the article continues to make the case that she is terrible on free speech.
Again. The more libertarian article is kamalas repeated history of censorship. Not a small mistake that in the end doesn't change that fact.
Agreed. And I'd add that it's not like she's saying her previous position with regard to censorship of Donald Trump was somehow wrong. And she's not said she has no intention of censoring Musk. All of the evidence is that she currently favors censorship. Counting the angels on the head of the "who does she want to censor when" pin doesn't do much to change that.
She was attacking Twitter, now owned and operated by Musk. Can't blame Musk for seeing that the bitch is hell bent on destroying his company.
Accuracy is important
*More* important than blocking and screening offensive material?!?!?!
Apparently using old clips is deserving of more derision than threatening to censor Americans.
I don't see why this is the big takeaway from the article for so many. He spent one paragraph correcting a factual error from RFK Jr, and then the rest of the article talking about how bad Harris is on speech.
Zeb… he spent 5 paragraphs and a post of the tweet on the mistake. The entire lede to the article.
I can link you to studies showing most readers read around 20% of the article before moving on. The collective memory of an article will be the federal and opening paragraphs.
When writing an argumentative essay the introduction focuses on the intended argument being made. The focus here is the mistake.
Even the second section is primarily describing the initial statement and confirming the mistake for fucks sake.
Where is the condemnation you are reading here being mostly about Kamala? I see just the last paragraph of the second section.
Well, call me overly charitable in my reading if you want. Wouldn't be the first time.
To be clear, my point wasn’t specifically about Robby correcting RFK Jr. on Musk vs. Trump though I didn’t find Robby’s take to be superficially credible, to be sure.
The ‘accuracy is important’ horse was beaten dead as policy in 1996, placed on a ship that sailed in 1997, superficially credibly confirmed dead and then beaten some more numerous times since, and then mostly peacefully censored posthumously by private corporations for reasons that only they, supposedly, could possibly intuit. Accuracy has been of progressively less and less importance in media since at least Walter Cronkite’s day.
As I note above, even if you assume the most virtuous and well-executed spirit of S230, it still violates the 1A prima facie and still definitively prioritizes selective/appropriate narration above accuracy.
'The Democratic nominee has favored policing online speech. Would a future Harris administration defend free expression?'
No.
Next Teen Reason call-in question.
Would a future Harris administration defend free expression?
Take it from Kamala herself: "my values have not changed.”
Guys, guys, she's not a tyrannical censorious authoritarian ok? She was only talking about banning the SITTING PRESIDENT from a company she doesnt own. That' s not so bad, mm kay?
That was back when she was primary candidate Harris trying to appeal to a favorable base. I’m sure ascending to VP and then getting anointed as part of a soft coup specifically to put her up against the President she called to silence has moderated her thinking some.
GDP and the economy are fine, it's just a vibe, maaan.
Toothless, drug addicted homeless woman says the problem is "the attitude of acceptance". She's my fucking write-in candidate for mayor. Seriously.
Clearly this is all Seattle's fault*, because "they aren't doing enough." From these people's perspective, they have no agency and it's up to the "man" to take care of them.
*to the extent they have encouraged this level of dysfunction and dependence through policies, it is their fault
The joy is infectious.
So is flesh eating bacteria.
turd has been infected!
"But Harris was not referring to Musk; she was referring to Trump."
I disagree with this. She was referring to Trump *AND* Twitter.
As Soave made plainly clear before the Twitter files dropped, Private companies have a first amendment protected right to accept or reject any content they would like on their platform. So when Soave acknowledges that Kamala was calling to censor Trump, she was calling to censor Twitter, as it was THEIR DECISION whether or not to host his speech. When she said "He [Trump] lost his privileges" to speak, she was saying that Twitter had lost their privileges to host his content.
Kamala is 100% clear that this is her goal, when she says that there "should be the rules around corporate responsibility for these Big Tech companies". She isn't saying "let's censor Trump". She is saying "Let's REGULATE COMPANIES TO CENSOR THEIR SPEECH".
Now I get it, Musk was not in charge of Twitter at the time. But now that he is in charge of it, the call to regulate X is the call to regulate Musk.
This smokescreen parsing is a ridiculous waste of time for Soave. A whole article to point out that Kamala called to censor Trump, handwaving passed the fact that this necessitates censoring companies, is absurd. RFK was right enough on this one.
Yeah this. Twitter is now X and under new ownership. But it's the same site. Kamala clearly has no qualms about forcing her censorship regime on Twitter/X. Musk has every reason to take it personally.
Again, technically, in a precise parsing of the situation, Soave is correct that she wasn't targeting Musk in her original speech.
But in general, she is definitely calling to censor a company, the company now owned by Musk.
Well said.
“This smokescreen parsing is a ridiculous waste of time for Soave.”
To. Be. Sure.
"Would a future Harris administration defend free expression?"
A: Fuck no.
What kind of fucking retard would ask such a question?
Oh ...
It was easier to forgive Robby when he had that fabulous hair going on. These days not so much.
Seriously. What's next, will Nick lose the leather jacket?
A straitjacket would be more appropriate these days.
Christian National Socialism is going all out to hire Reason to stop another 4 million spoiler vote election surprise. The only surprise here is that anyone in Brazil is dumb enough to waste a second on Xitter _without_ Baldy's (Carecão's) kleptocracy confiscation threat. A dogfight between girl-bullying looters universally hated is, of course, refreshing entertainment. Moreover, pandering to their hatred of one another has GOT to be profitable or Reason wouldn't stoop to it. Notice the disappearance of Webathons?
Would a future Harris administration defend free expression?
No.
That is a pretty fucking obvious answer!
"They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight and regulation, and that has to stop."
Paraphrased....
"The 1st Amendment of the US Constitution must be VOIDED to 'save' [our] UN-Constitutional ?public? ([Na]tional So[zi]alist) institutions."
No it's not Just-Harris; It's the whole treasonous party platform from which 1/2 of those words above are directly found.
The Democratic nominee has favored policing online speech.
Willie Brown's Whore has been very clear that she couldn't care less about any part of the constitution, including the first amendment.
-jcr
Kamala said this shit when Twitter was run by democrat party activists. This makes the timeline worse for Robby's claim that her prior comments wouldn't apply to Musk and the newer version of Twitter. Harris doesn't support speech for anyone opposed to the left. You can expect an administration run by her to attack Musk and any other media not carrying water for democrats just as much as has the current administration she is a part of.
Have some integrity, Robby. She indicated how bad she is and all indications are that she would be worse than her previous statements in the current political climate
Forget Kamala and Elon Musk.
It’s Kamala versus the rest of us
Foucault’s minions have nothing to fear
Kamala's first love is Surveiller et Punir !
"Would a future Harris administration defend free expression?"
Your fucking kidding me, right? Is this a real question?
Vice President Kamala Harris is such a poor choice that she makes former President Donald Trump more palatable. They are still both terrible choices, but she and the political cover she is will received from the sycophantic corporate media propaganda machine is so much worse that OrangeMan the the novel lawfare and corporate media fiction that will be lobed at him would be.
Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison can get screwed with a barb-wire-wrapped broomstick.