First-Ever Commercial Space Walk Delayed After Overcautious FAA Grounds SpaceX Rocket
The Federal Aviation Administration has called an unnecessary halt on launches following the Falcon 9 mishap on August 28.

The launch of the private Polaris Dawn mission, originally slated for 3:38 a.m. on Saturday, is now listed as "TBD" by NASA's Kennedy Space Center. Commanded by entrepreneur and pilot Jared Isaacman, the mission was set to include the first-ever commercial extravehicular activity (EVA), debut SpaceX's new spacesuits, and aim for "the highest altitude of any human spaceflight mission since the Apollo program." But the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has grounded the flight, along with all other launches involving SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket.
The decision came after SpaceX reported that the first-stage booster of another Falcon 9 "tipped over following touchdown on the A Shortfall of Gravitas drone ship," after successfully deploying 21 Starlink satellites on August 28. This was SpaceX's 377th launch and 311th reflight, but it can't claim to be its 342nd landing. To date, SpaceX has safely transported "50 crewmembers to and from Earth's orbit" over the course of 13 manned missions. At the time of writing, SpaceX's official X account had not issued any additional comment on the incident or investigation.
The FAA says the goal of the pause is "to further enhance public safety, determine the root cause of the event, and identify corrective actions to avoid it from happening again." The invocation of public safety is something of a stretch in this case. The Associated Press reports that there were "no injuries or public damage" from the incident, noting that the booster toppling over was "the first such accident in years." It remains unclear what the FAA expects to uncover in its investigation that SpaceX itself isn't already committed to turning up.
No party is more interested in determining and correcting the root cause of the event than SpaceX. The firm stands to lose approximately $21 million in equipment each time a booster is unrecoverable, in addition to lost revenue on future missions. Each Falcon 9 rocket launch earns the company around $60 million.
Isaacman is the CEO of Shift4 Payments and co-founder of Draken International, the world's largest private air force. Isaacman is an experienced aviator who flies with the Black Diamond Jet Team, a civilian aerobatic display team, and served as commander of SpaceX's Inspiration4, the first all-civilian orbital space mission. The Polaris Dawn crew also includes Anna Menon, mission specialist and medical officer; Sarah Gillis, mission specialist; and Scott Poteet, mission pilot. If SpaceX is confident in its Falcon 9 rocket, the highly trained astronauts of Polaris Dawn are comfortable boarding it, and Isaacman is willing to foot the bill, the FAA shouldn't stand in their way.
The Kennedy Space Center still lists the launch date for NASA's Crew-9 mission to the International Space Station as September 24. With the FAA's meddling already delaying one mission, it remains to be seen whether it will delay another.
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Commanded by entrepreneur and pilot Jared Isaacman, the mission was set to include the first-ever commercial extravehicular activity (EVA), debut SpaceX's new spacesuits, and aim for "the highest altitude of any human spaceflight mission since the Apollo program."
Wait, Tesla can build a perfectly serviceable self-driving car that's literally 100% safe and effective with no downsides, but they need a 'pilot' for a rocket? And I hope their space suits don't have the gap problems their cars have, amirite people?
that’s literally 100% safe
Safer, yes, but not 100% safe. https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
The jokes don't come with a roadmap, chief...
Some Roadmap Guy needs at least 2 of them.
Don't you claim to have attended Oxford or something?
Yes, he's brilliant. Just ask him.
Brilliant AND elite, based on self-assessed moral superiority.
I don't claim moral superiority in general. I mean, there are some of you who I have little doubt in Nazi Germany would have followed orders, and a few who'd have volunteered to load the cattle cars - and a couple who'd have volunteered to drive them, but those people aside - and I will name them if asked - nope.
We all know you’re talking about Jfree, Lying Jeffy and sarc.
Tell me, did you frown at those who refused to mask? Did you insist that those who didn't get the mRNA injection be denied healthcare and lose their jobs?
Right here you've winked at political prosecutions and defended the political weaponization of federal institutions, but then you think you'd be Schindler.
I think Jordan Peterson had the best quote about your ilk:
"When people read the history of Nazi Germany, they always think they’d be Schindler. They always think they're the person who would have saved Anne Frank in the Netherlands.
They never read history as a perpetrator. 'I wouldn't have done that.'
Did you watch people during the pandemic? Thirty percent of my neighbors were thrilled that they had the opportunity to inform on the people around them.
They would have worn those goddamn masks for the rest of their life if the payoff would have been they could feel morally superior and inform."
Interesting that you think that compelling masks is equivalent to being sent to concentration camps and death camps.
Even before Peterson started shearing sheep there was plenty of evidence for people "obeying orders", like Milgram's experiment or the Stanford prison experiment.
Perhaps you're stupid enough to think that disagreeing with one authority makes you not susceptible to another, but the degree of genuflection to Trump here and likewise the degree of conformity to right-wing partisanship that you and others so clearly evidence shows otherwise.
Indeed, most people would not be Schindler. But there's still a difference between not being Schindler and actually loading cattle cars. If you could be persuaded by the hatred that so clearly motivates you and some other right-wingers here, that certain groups were enemies of the state, you'd be pushing them into cattle cars with all the zeal you can muster.
This is what contrasts people like you, Don't Look at Me - who's a born follower, and who would obey any order if it made him feel part of the right group, and JesseAZ, this board's most notable authoritarian propagandist, with people like Vernon Depner and @#$%@#$%, who I disagree with politically on almost everything but who do not exhibit the authoritarian herd mentality or the need to conform with the group.
Fuck you
Projection is an impulse best resisted.
Well, more brilliant than you - and also significantly more honest.
Oh yes, you're well known by everyone here for being a scrupulously honest genius.
As you support liars, your opinion of my probity bears no weight.
And like many posters here you judge honesty by conformity not accuracy.
Yes, a claim based on, you know, reality. The Queen's College, 1975-8.
Rick James generally being humourless, a quick read of his post did not lead me to expect that for once he was joking.
Yes, definitely super smart!
Poor shrike
Give the Oxford graduate the respect he deserves. It’s Gov’na shrike.
Thank you 🙂
In the interests of accuracy, I should note that I failed to graduate.
It remains unclear what the FAA expects to uncover in its investigation
Probably the Union status (or lack of) of those involved, so they can refer the case over to the NLRB.
Skin colors, General; don't forget skin colors.
How about the reason being that the Democrats want to screw with Musk for buying Twitter and supporting Trump. Anyway they can mess with him, count on them doing it.
So true. Because the FAA has never grounded commercial planes after a crash. Why would they ground spacecraft after a crash? Total conspiracy, straight from Biden.
Is this a commercial plane? How many commercial satellite rocket series’ have been grounded after crashes? Name one event. Just one other than Falcon 9.
Defend the left harder boy.
I’m not saying that it’s not unprecedented. I’m saying it’s not some grand conspiracy orchestrated by Biden himself the dottering evil genius to harm his arch nemesis Musk. That’s just dumb. That's Darth Cheney piloting the Halliburton Hurricane Machine dumb.
However I know nothing can change your mind because you didn’t arrive at this conspiracy belief with your mind. You know it’s true because you feel it’s true.
Feeeeelings…. Nothing but feeeelings.
Democrats are actively using the FEC and going after Musk. You honestly think they won't use the FAA?
It's not a conspiracy. They are openly doing it.
They're leaving people stranded in space just to fuck with Elon Musk.
That's military-grade stupid.
They postponed the decision to use SpaceX to bring them back as long as possible, until probably Boeing just said No they won't spend any more money and No they have no more excuses.
This was Boeing's fuckup for being incompetent, but NASA's fuckup even more for the way they handled the entire contract.
If you actually think anyone here has claimed Boeing and NASA conspired to strand the astronauts just to tweak Musk's nose, you are way past being a Democratic apologist and into the ranks of being a died-in-the-wool supporter.
If you actually think anyone here has claimed Boeing and NASA conspired to strand the astronauts just to tweak Musk’s nose, you are way past being a Democratic apologist and into the ranks of being a died-in-the-wool supporter.
That’s Jesse-level mendacity.
People are claiming, right in this very thread, that the FAA grounded SpaceX as revenge for Musk buying Twitter and supporting Trump. And I’m saying that’s emotive, conspiratorial, weapons-grade retardation.
Read your own reply to that comment. It doesn’t support what your comment here says. You are changing your stance faster than Kamala sitting on a flooding toilet.
And ETA: Answer the damned questions for once. You're more evasive than Kamala too.
What questions? I never said anything about Boeing or NASA. You did. You’re giving Jesse a run for his money over who can best demand I defend things I neither said nor did.
You're such a piece of shit, Sarckles, and invoking your vendetta against Jesse as some sort of proof of your victimhood doesn't make it better.
I know self-awareness isn't your forte but your literally accusing STG and Jesse of doing to you what you were deriding others for saying it happened to Musk.
My vendetta? lol
If he didn’t follow me around attacking me for things I never said nor did, then I wouldn’t use him as the benchmark for cunts who follow people around accusing them of things they never said nor did.
Then you accuse me of not being self-aware?
You must have scored some serious points with that one. Which one of my hate-club is keeping track?
As far as victimhood goes, we all know there is only one Victim, and His name is Trump.
He doesn’t, you follow him around trolling him like the bitter, slightly-retarded sociopath you are.
In fact you always do this. You troll and harass until someone punches back, and then you scream you’re being bullied.
Awe, poor sarc.
Hey, you said a true thing!
“Biden himself the dottering evil genius ”
Sarc is a conspiracy theorist now? I have been told that describing joe as "dottering" (sic) is right wing conspiracy theory.
It wasn't even the equivalent of a "commercial plane" - it was a booster stage. The equivalent of an empty fuel tank. I'm not aware of any FAA shut-downs over a lost fuel tank.
This really is unprecedented. Falcons have crashed in this manner several times before, without the government grounding the entire fleet.
Note that before the FAA even CONTEMPLATED grounding the Boeing 737-800s, there were two crashes that caused hundreds of deaths, and multiple reported incidents that threatened more casualties.
Musk has been silently dealing with the government's amped up bullshit because he needs the business from NASA. But they have continued to stymie him with FAA and EPA bullshit. Meanwhile, Boeing was only able to barely slip a single ship through a half-successful test flight after several previous failures, and they had no problem letting Boeing launch a pair of astronauts into space where they are currently stranded. The double standard is obvious.
The thing blew up right before a planned mission to the space station. I suspect if the next launch was carrying satellites it would have been a different story. But the day before a manned launch? That's a little bit different.
Defend the left harder boy.
Oh look. Another Dlam, Big Mac, Jesse, ML level retard. “Questioning conspiracy theories is defending the left! Hurr durr! I’m so smart! Hurr durr!” Fucking reject.
Poor sarc
Everyone else is a retard but not the drunken fry cook, right Sarckles?
Haha, poor sarc.
And the two crashed airliners had more flights scheduled even sooner than the Falcon-9, all around the world, as evidenced by the second crash occurring before the FAA took action from the first crash.
One launch, several days later, with 4 passengers: PANIC!
Hundreds or thousands of flights, possibly millions of passengers, months and years later: HO HUM.
Now do the space shuttle.
Good point, you just hoisted yourself on your own petard, more support for the FAA acting abnormally fast for no reason.
An agency with a reputation for being over-cautious was over-cautious?
IT’S A CONSPIRACY! THEY’RE LEAVING PEOPLE STRANDED IN SPACE TO FUCK WITH ELON MUSK! IT’S THE ONLY EXPLANATION! SARC'S A LEFTIST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T THINK IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
Except this action does nothing to strand the astronauts, so your point doesn't actually make sense.
Those astronauts are already stranded, and were not slated to return to Earth until February. So if the Rescue Dragon launch is delayed a month or two, that schedule does not change- they'll still come back in February.
But it has definitely fucked over a private, experimental test flight that would have demonstrated that a private company can engineer a space walk when NASA cannot even reliably deliver working space suits, let alone a viable spacecraft alternative to the Dragon.
Except that the Falcon rockets that are to deliver the Rescue Dragon are now grounded indefinitely, leaving the astronauts in space indefinitely.
"They're leaving people stranded in space" isn't true. They won't have stranded anyone, unless the FAA continues to ground the rockets past ~january.
Jesus sarc is such a moron.
Is Jesus Sarc a resurrected version?
Yes. He drank himself to death and they brought him back for some inexplicable reason.
I can't wait for Sarc Easter. What should we hide for the kids?
Name one grounded commercial rocket. Just one, boy.
They never did this before. THAT MEANS IT'S A CONSPIRACY AGAINST MUSK!
Jesus H Christ. Fucking morons.
"They never did it before even though every other orbital rocket ever crashes it's boosters, but this remarkable special instance against a guy who has been a thorn in the side of an administration who has a history of weaponizing government agencies doesn't mean anything!"
This is why everyone thinks you are retarded.
It didn’t blow up. It fell over on landing (on a ship, BTW) and then exploded. No one has ever been riding on a landing booster, so no one could have been injured.
I'm not defending their decision, nit-picky pedant. I'm saying those who claim it's a conspiracy to get revenge on Musk are lunatics.
Lunatics?
I can understand saying you don't believe it, or that the evidence doesn't convince you. But using the term "lunatic" is ridiculous hyperbole, even from you. This administration literally empowered entire departments to coerce social media companies into censoring on their behalf. That's facts. Not lunacy.
I chose the word lunatic because it originally meant people who look to the stars.
No. It never meant that. Ever.
Nor have I ever heard that definition used before. And a cursory web search does not show anyone else coming up with that etymology either.
Lunatic comes from the very ancient idea that a full moon causes temporary insanity.
Wiktionary says: "From Middle English lunatik, from Old French lunatique, from Late Latin lunaticus (“moonstruck”), derived from Latin luna (“moon”), the connection stemming from the belief that changes of the moon caused intermittent insanity."
The Online Etymology Dictionary says: "late 13c., "affected with periodic insanity dependent on the changes of the moon," from Old French lunatique "insane," or directly from Late Latin lunaticus "moon-struck," from Latin luna "moon" (see luna).
Compare Old English monseoc "lunatic," literally "moon-sick;" Middle High German lune "humor, temper, mood, whim, fancy" (German Laune), from Latin luna. Compare also New Testament Greek selēniazomai "be epileptic," from selēnē "moon."
Sarcasmic would never say something idiotic and then try to backtrack by moving the goalposts.
Keep going sarc, you’re doing great!
“The thing blew up right before a planned mission to the space station.”
No, it crashed after a successful mission doing something dozens of other Falcon 1 boosters have done without issue 100s of times.
It was literally landing an unmanned robot rocket from outer space on a robot ship floating in the middle of the ocean, and a rogue wave or a navigation software glitch fucked up slightly what no other rocket company on earth can do with an orbital rocket.
That’s right, every other rocket company and government on the planet crashes it’s boosters after one use, because landing them is way too complicated, and Space X does it every week on a drone ship floating in the ocean.
But one of them does what every other company's booster ever does, and there’s suddenly an investigation.
It did not blow up right before a planned mission to the space station. It launched, delivered its payload safely to orbit, and returned from orbit, landing on its drone ship. Then it fell over.
The number of misses that Boeing has had, while still having clearance to launch makes this unprecedented.
Maybe if Musk would moderate right-wing twitter a little more aggressively he wouldn't be in this mess.
Make that a LOT more aggressively. Plus renounce his Trump endorsement and give the Harris-Walz campaign a billion dollars.
No response from sarc for this comment? Surprising.
There was an accident, so I suppose it makes sense to have some sort of investigation. I am a bit suspicious that part of the intent on grounding Space X is to deflect a bit from Boeing's problems with Starliner, which are going to require Space X to get the compromised Starliner's crew back from the ISS.
This is the key.
The FAA is a bureaucracy, first and foremost. Their bureaucrats' only real incentive is to make themselves look busy and important. The side effect of pissing off Musk, who doesn't particularly like the FAA or their bosses, is just frosting on the cake.
Boeing fucked up so now SpaceX must suffer the consequences.
Don't be too surprised if the clowns in Washington send out the Feds to arrest Musk for whatever crap they can come up with, like insurrection, election denial, etc,etc,etc.
Another 6:00 AM raid with CNN in tow!
All other orbital-grade launchers just burn up their boosters after being used... Out of control burn-up over the ocean!
Space X DARES to make splendid progress, and RECOVER their boosters? Ha! When they are not PERFECT when doing so, they must be PUNISHED!!!
I agree with Sarcasmic that this isn't likely to be "cuntspiracy"... It's probably just Grade A1-Plus power piggery among bureaucratic assholes ass usual... Why assume more evil than just plain power piggery?
A kid fell off of his bicycle!!! Ground ALL bicycles till further notice!!!
Assholes get away with twatever bullshit that they can get away with!
Hanlon's razor.
Hanlon's razor is all things being equal and absent any other evidence. We have lots of evidence of SpaceX losing rockets on re-entry and never having their flight card pulled. If this was just about "mindless bureaucrats being bureaucrats" then we would have seen this numerous times before. But we did not start getting FAA lockdowns on Musk until he became a problem to the current administration.
Which is more plausible?
a) Over-cautious federal agency sees a rocket booster blow up on the eve of astronauts riding one into space and grounds the rest until they can figure out what happened.
b) Vengeful administration strands astronauts in orbit indefinitely just so they can get petty revenge on Musk for backing Trump and buying Twitter.
You obviously choose b. Normally you’re more rational than that.
The booster failed to stick the landing, (which nobody else is doing), after the same booster has been reused successfully, many times. Saying it “blew up” is not accurate.
"Vengeful administration strands astronauts in orbit indefinitely"
Again, those astronauts are going to be there until february, whether the rocket launches in September, or it launches in December.
Now...you keep bringing SOLELY this evidence up as proof you are right. Now that we see it isn't a fact in your favor, are you going to reconsider your stance?
The Obama Administration canceled Snowden's passport just as he was flying through Russia to South America. The sole purpose of this act was to strand him there, so that he would have to seek asylum from Russia. This had no purpose other than to be able to label him a Russian Spy.
That same administration exploited the Patriot Act to spy on their political opposition. The FBI also colluded to HIDE evidence of Hunter Biden's laptop. The Biden administration flagrantly violated the rights of millions of Americans by coercing social media companies into censoring speech. The State Department granted millions of dollars to a "speech monitoring" company that sought to deplatform conservative viewpoints. These aren't conspiracy theories- they are stories reported in the WaPo and NYT showing a government that is comfortable using its regulatory powers to fuck with inconvenient citizens.
I am personally certain that the Government has targeted Musk- as his businesses have now been stymied by FAA, NRLB, EPA and other agency investigations at a high rate. Now, whether this specific example is another of those biased prosecutions remains to be seen. I lean towards yes, but I am not certain. And knowing all we do about the previous actions of the government, it definitely is not lunacy.
"Normally you’re more rational than that."
You're not.
"Vengeful administration strands astronauts in orbit indefinitely just so they can get petty revenge on Musk for backing Trump and buying Twitter."
The US has access to the most reliable and experienced rocket in human history, and yet they refused it to try and continue with a $1.5 billion Boeing boondoggle instead of booking a $55 million Falcon 9 flight instead.
And why would the FAA call for an investigation of a spent booster crashing when every single other company's rocket that has ever gone up, worldwide, does exactly that?
Which seems more rational to you?
You have time and time again seen hard evidence of this administration weaponizing the DHS, IRS and FBI to go after its political enemies.
Why do you think they wouldn't use the FAA too?
Doubling down on ignorance? Interesting strategy.
“All other orbital-grade launchers just burn up their boosters after being used… Out of control burn-up over the ocean!
Space X DARES to make splendid progress, and RECOVER their boosters? Ha! When they are not PERFECT when doing so, they must be PUNISHED!!!”
It doesn’t happen often, but the Sqrls is right here.
They don't burn up. When everything goes right they crash into the ocean.
Bill Nelson was a long serving Senator from Florida who voted for every democratic crackpot idea put in front of him. Like Nancy, he don't need to read it to know whats in it. Elon has become a thorn in the democrats backside and the administration and their lackeys (Nelson being one) are determined to be a thorn in his at every opportunity. Hence, we have a delay for no reason.
Nelson = NASA.
Current round of assholery = FAA. Just sayin'...
Well, public safety is certainly involved in the fully automated landing of a fully automated rocket on a fully automated ship.
The only other possibility is the federal government fucking over a conservative business because they hate freedom.
And let's note that labeling Musk a conservative is quite the stretch. He has planted his seed in women around the world, parties like a silicon valley lefty, got rich off companies whose main income streams depended on Democrat moon-shot programs including "electrify the world" and a literal moon program. He was well regarded as a staunch, if eccentric, liberal success story up until he became inconvenient.
At this time, anything right of Lenin is conservative - - - - - - - -
Well it is noteworthy how many died in the wool commies quickly became imperialist, fascist stooges to Soviet Russia when they picked the wrong horse in the political races.
The Kennedy Space Center still lists the launch date for NASA's Crew-9 mission to the International Space Station as September 24. With the FAA's meddling already delaying one mission, it remains to be seen whether it will delay another.
Yesterday I thought NASA would go into full-bore CYA mode to account for their massive Boeing fuckup, but apparently there's also the chance that they're only doing this to cock-block Musk which is pretty amusing since they're probably doing this at the behest of Boeing. They probably see the writing on the wall, and it's not good.
Given how many Boeing 'whistleblowers' have suicided themselves, and how many other people they've indirectly (or directly) killed, maybe it's time for Boeing to be the receiving end of some 'government help', but not the kind they're used to.
I believe those two will die before they can be rescued. But the government will blame Musk for it.
Muskman bad.
Even if he is an African-American.
Sounds to me more likely that certain people representing Boing and NASA ( Not A Straight Answer) applied a little pressure on the FAA to delay the launch so NASA could become the big heros and not Elon Musk.
It would embarrass NASA immensely if Musk could have rescued the stranded astronauts. After all these are the same project managers who sent an entire shuttle crew to their deaths just for the publicity.
Hey, good news, y'all, the FAA got off of its ass...
https://spacenews.com/spacex-resumes-falcon-9-launches-after-brief-faa-grounding/
SpaceX resumes Falcon 9 launches after brief FAA grounding
Jeff Foust
August 31, 2024
There's no news there as to details about root cause(s)....
So, for the curious, the FAA went ahead and gave SpaceX permission to launch just six hours after this article ran, and SpaceX went ahead and launched two rockets twelve hours after that -- but not the Polaris mission, because that's actually being delayed by concerns over weather forecasts for the capsule's re-entry date, not the landing investigation, and wouldn't have launched yet even without the FAA hold on Falcon 9 flights.
As far as the pause, whatever our preferences might be, and indeed whatever the preferences of the FAA's bureaucrats might be, the established rule is that after a "mishap" on a US-licensed flight, the FAA automatically grounds the type of craft until it has received sufficient information, usually provided by the investigation undertaken by the operator and/or manufacturer (in this case, SpaceX is both), that the FAA can reach the conclusion that further operation is not actually a danger to the public.
And that isn't actually particularly unreasonable. While the landing failure itself didn't endanger the public, it was possible that the root cause was something that could crop up elsewhere in a flight, at a point where it could risk lives. (For example, a bug in the software commanding the rocket ignition.) Before someone's investigated the root cause, there is, in fact, no actual way to know.
So, in this case, the flight plan filed by SpaceX included a successful landing of the booster. Accordingly, the failure of that part of the flight plan was a "mishap". So, the FAA duly said, "All right, SpaceX, you can't fly the Falcon 9 again until you give us information sufficient that we can say that further flights aren't a danger." And then SpaceX provided that information, and the FAA signed off on resumption.
Since it's not been disclosed how long it took between "SpaceX satisfied itself it identified the problem" and "The FAA signed off on SpaceX's explanation", we don't know exactly how much the FAA approval part added to the process, but we know (based on SpaceX-announced intended launch times versus the actual launch time) the maximum launch delay due to the need for FAA signoff was two days.
Given the usual pace and the usual schedule uncertainty in Falcon 9 flights, that's not even noteworthy. Someone ignorant of the date of the accident, just given the dates of the twelve SpaceX launches in August (the 1st, 4th, 4th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 15th, 16th, 20th, 28th, 31st, and 31st) couldn't possibly pick out where the FAA-related delay was (if they picked any of the three longest gaps between flights, they'd be wrong).