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Kamala Harris

What Does Kamala Harris Actually Want?

Plus: Elon Musk talks about his trans child, OpenAI comes under congressional scrutiny, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 7.24.2024 9:29 AM

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What does Kamala Harris stand for? Over the course of a few short days, Vice President Kamala Harris has practically ascended to the spot left vacant by President Joe Biden, who dropped out of the presidential race on Sunday, and gobbled up his delegates. She's the presumed nominee come convention time (which will happen later in August) and, naturally, the subject of a spate of recent flattering mainstream media pieces. Depending on who you ask, she is endearingly memeable. She is "underestimated." She's even "brat," claims a CNN panel that doesn't really know what they're talking about but is using pop star Charli XCX's endorsement as a way to claim Harris has influence with Gen Z.

Speculation abounds about who Harris will pick to run her campaign and who will serve as her running mate. But everyone's oddly light on the actual policy specifics. She's beginning to run a campaign, so stop with the forced pop culture references; what does Harris actually believe?

Foreign policy: Possibly becoming tougher on Israel, but also not really. Some say Harris "might be more inclined to make U.S. support for Israel more conditional on its conduct in Gaza and the West Bank," reports The Wall Street Journal. But, frankly, Harris' approach right now is more one of strategic ambiguity, to borrow a term. If she appears to be tough on Israel and advocates a ceasefire in Gaza, she can garner support from the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, but it would be perceived as a break from the Biden administration approach—and something that might piss off the rest of the party, which is sorely divided on support for Israel.

Attempting to portray Harris as more lefty on Israel might also simply be a ploy to get the far-left, disgruntled by what they (wrongly) call a "genocide" in Gaza, on board with a candidate who is not markedly different than her predecessor.

"A Harris administration would probably offer strong support for Ukraine's war effort, and continue initiatives to deepen alliances in Asia and the Pacific in the face of China's geopolitical ascendance," reports Politico. "As senator, Harris voiced less hawkish sentiments than Biden on U.S. military presence in the Middle East," but she's inexperienced at crafting foreign policy, meaning she'll likely be more reliant on her traditionalist advisers, Jim Townsend, a former Pentagon and NATO official, tells Politico. "Their views, I think, would fit well with a Bill Clinton or [Barack] Obama presidency. They are straight-arrow, traditional foreign policy folks."

Economic policy: More spending, and worse issues with debt and deficit. Harris, like so many politicians that have come before, talks big talk about building up the American middle class. The policies that she aims to pursue would, of course, further deplete federal coffers and run the risk of driving up inflation further, as money printer simply cannot go brrr in perpetuity.

"While she was a senator and presidential candidate, Harris's signature tax proposal was the LIFT [the Middle Class] Act, which resembles a universal basic income and would have cost about $3 trillion over a decade," reports the Journal. "Harris's plan would have provided a $3,000 tax credit for individuals and $6,000 for married couples" with phase-outs for middle- and high-earning families and individuals.

Harris voted against lowering individual and corporate tax rates back during former President Donald Trump's first term. She appears to back Biden's IRS crackdown approach. She supports government-mandated paid family leave and capping the cost of childcare for those enrolled in certain government programs. It's classic big government, all the way down.

As a senator, her signature housing policy proposal was the Rent Relief Act, "a bill that would have given people refundable tax credits to cover the rent they paid in excess of 30 percent of their income," writes Reason's Christian Britschgi. Ultimately, the effect was that "landlords could more comfortably raise rents on tenants, knowing that much of the cost increase would be absorbed by taxpayers."

Upshot: The sad reality is that, right now, Harris is pretty much only hype, no substance. Of course, her campaign hasn't had a ton of time to get into full swing, and her lack of policy assertiveness is fitting for a vice president who has had to mostly just get in line with the president's wishes. But there's also no policy ingenuity to speak of, and her record gives very little in the way of foreign policy in particular—the area that's especially important when deciding which presidential candidate to vote for.

Politico is out there claiming Harris is responsible for, and emblematic of, a political "vibe shift," while The New York Times says she's showing "the political power of joy." Forgive me, but I would like actual policy to assess instead.


Scenes from New York: "A police procedural drama staged a tent encampment for a film shoot at Queens College," reports The New York Times. "Pro-Palestinian demonstrators felt it trivialized their movement."


QUICK HITS

  • "I was essentially tricked into signing documents for one of my older boys," Elon Musk told Jordan Peterson, on his child's gender transition at age 16. "There was a lot of confusion and I was told Xavier might commit suicide [if not allowed to medically transition]." He continued: "They call it 'deadnaming' for a reason. The reason it's called 'deadnaming' is because your son is dead. So my son, Xavier, is dead, killed by the woke mind virus. So I vowed to destroy the woke mind virus after that, and we're making some progress." This explains an awful lot of Musk's dgaf attitude.
  • Hawaii's Sen. Brian Schatz (D) is leading a group of lawmakers, all Democrats and independents, in forcing OpenAI to detail how it will meet "public commitments" to ensure the product does not cause harm "following employee warnings that the company rushed through safety-testing of its latest AI model," per The Washington Post. 
  • Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle (whose incompetence was the subject of yesterday's Roundup) resigned.
  • This Kamala Harris ad that just dropped seems likely to be representative of Republicans' strategy in key battleground states: painting her as a radical who is open to every ultra-progressive Democrat's absurd ideas.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    What does Kamala Harris stand for?

    She stands for a face washcloth. ZING

    1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

      "Wipe your chin, Kamala"

      1. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

        Don't be crass. Not on the internet, of all places.

        1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

          My apologies. A classy place like the Reason comments and I was crude.

    2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      Fist, you savage

      1. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

        I took no pleasure in it, but when LW tees one up for me so perfectly...

    3. Minadin   10 months ago

      What Does Kamala Harris Actually Want?

      - To be President.

    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   10 months ago

      She stands for nothing but kneels for everyone

    5. Well Adjusted Biden Guy 6/11 Banana Republic   10 months ago

      She’s probably against misogynistic assholes though. That’s to her credit.

      Maybe the reason I still get laid is that I don’t routinely suggest that women get where they are because they hump the boss. Don’t know… that kind of shit doesn’t go over too much with the ladies.

      1. Super Scary   10 months ago

        Help me out here WABG; in the coming election, are there going to suddenly be more racists or sexists voting against Kamala? Or are they one in the same in a mind like yours?

      2. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

        “She’s probably against misogynistic assholes though.”

        Fuck off, Buttplug, we all know it’s you now, and you're the last person who should be talking about misogyny.

        Sarah Palin’s Buttplug 2 10 hours ago
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        MTG to be specific. Boebert is a horned-up bitch I hear. I kind of like her myself. And Nancy Mace is a good Southern Waffle House whore. Very nice!

      3. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

        *Pearls sufficiently clutched*

    6. Uncle Jay   10 months ago

      A new pair of knee pads.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    ...naturally, the subject of a spate of recent flattering mainstream media pieces.

    No, not naturally. Very much manufactured, artificial flattery.

    1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

      It's so awkward. Like watching old boomers try to dance to hip hop at a wedding party.

      1. Ajsloss   10 months ago

        Dr. Evil is hip! He's with it! Toka, toka, toka...

        1. tracerv   10 months ago

          Stay away from me you lazy eyed psycho!

      2. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

        Kamala already dances like an old boomer. So it makes sense.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

          Too bad she's not black.

    2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      They are resuming the tonguebathing they tried to give her during the 2020 primary, which had to be put on hold because she *checks notes* actually spoke more, and everyone realized she is a particularly untalented and unintelligent, bad politician.

      1. HorseConch   10 months ago

        Hopefully it won't end well for them. I wish we could see the polls that forced Joe out. He was underwater double digits on almost every important issue, but somehow was within 3. It's going to be hard for her to run as non-Biden while keeping the whackos from supporting Kennedy. Running as a fresh face isn't nearly as convincing when you were his VP for 4 years.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

        she is a particularly untalented and unintelligent, bad politician.

        so, Donald Trump in drag

        1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

          Certainly his actual intellect is likely not impressive, but if you think he is *politically* untalented and unintelligent, you are smoking some hardcore copium brother.

          He might be one of the most savvy and capable politicans of our time. If you dont understand that, your blinded by rage

          1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

            Donald lacks VP Hawk Tuah's nuanced and profound understanding of the conflict in Ukraine.

            1. HorseConch   10 months ago

              Did you know that Ukraine is a country in Europe?

              1. Gaear Grimsrud   10 months ago

                Next to a much larger country.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

                  A country called Russia. I understand there may be Venn diagrams and yellow school buses involved.

          2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   10 months ago

            Trump succeeds precisely because he does not act like a traditional politician. Witness all those "leaked" memos by aides contradicting what they were saying in public, and the media admitting it was all staged nonsense; that's what the public has come to expect from politicians.

            It's also what Trump is famous for not doing. Politicians and pundits simply cannot wrap their heads around that, and continually misunderestimate him because of it.

          3. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

            Oh, he is definitely a good entertainer. But he is a bad *politician*. And he is dumb.

            Remember, Trump "hires the best people". Then he proceeded to hire a bunch of people whose primary qualifications are that they sucked up to Trump the hardest.

            Remember, Trump was such an amazing leader and politician that he was perpetually thwarted by nobody bureaucrats who he just couldn't figure out how to overcome.

            1. HorseConch   10 months ago

              Pretty rich coming from the resident retard. The guy built a multi-billion dollar empire and got elected President without ever running for office. To call him a bad politician and dumb would be like saying you are honest and smart.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

                Oh he is a good entertainer and, I suppose, a decent businessman. Yet when it comes to being a political leader, he just can't seem to get anything done.

                1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   10 months ago

                  You have a strange idea of what politicians do.

                  Here we have the more typical Jeffy comment. Long-winded, full of insults, prevarications, and stupidity, contradicting itself, lies, and not even a kernel of truth.

                2. Well Adjusted Biden Guy 6/11 Banana Republic   10 months ago

                  Decent businessman

                  Yeah he turned +400 million dollars that his dad gave him into -6billion dollars, ran to the government and its bankruptcy laws to fleece anyone that was stupid enough to give him money, and then turned to Russia when no one else within 5000 nautical miles of NYC would lend him a dime. If you call the ability to squeeze money out of morons and fascist dictators “good business” then, I don’t know, maybe. A Perverse sentiment to be sure.

                  1. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

                    Trump obviously can't hold a candle to your financial acumen - you turned 1k into 400k.

                    Still waiting for you to provide more detail though...

                    1. rbike   10 months ago

                      You might give us some idea of the stocks/funds you held. I certainly am interested in you intelligent past.

                3. Nobartium   10 months ago

                  Tax cuts don't exist.

                  Abraham accords didn't happen.

                  Roe is still case law.

                  Trump has always been a better politician than the vast majority of his contemporaries.

                4. One-Punch_Man   10 months ago

                  How many wars under Trump? What was those Abraham Accords?
                  Just because democrats don't like to play with the otherside anymore doesn't make him less political.

                  BTW, what has Biden got done beside the IRA or EO. What bipartisan has he done?

              2. Lester75   10 months ago

                The guy *inherited* multi millions and lost so much money that he could write off most of his career with tax losses.
                A good businessman, NOT. Intelligent NOT. A good entertainer is all with bombast that appeals to a lot of insecure people who need an authority figure who looks 'strong'.
                The worst thing about him is going to be ring of boot-licking incompetents he is going to hire. Loyalty is much more important than competence to him. He will ignore anyone who crosses him.

            2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   10 months ago

              He won the first time because he out-thought a political pro. He lost the second time by very few votes, and that was with the media throwing their weight against him.

              Makes him a pretty darned good politician, as politicians go.

              Makes you a general loser.

            3. One-Punch_Man   10 months ago

              Harris, Mayor Pete, all is White House press officers, what about the guy who robbed suitcases?

              Do want a longer list of DEI hires? Do you realize that Biden has hired all crony’s like Obama did?

              BTW, good leaders know they aren’t the smartest in the room. They hire the smartest people. Elon doesn’t design every rocket. Steve Jobs didn’t create the Iphone. He was just great at marketing and control

              1. Lester75   10 months ago

                That's precisely the worst thing about Trump. Not being the smartest guy in the room is no problem. The problem is an ego that hires loyal idiots and abides no conflicting opinions.

          4. R Mac   10 months ago

            Lying Jeffy has TDS, yes.

          5. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

            “Oh, he is definitely a good entertainer. But he is a bad *politician*. And he is dumb.”

            This is the copium Parsons was talking about. Dumb people don't parlay a loan of a million into billions and then into a TV career and then into the presidency.

            1. R Mac   10 months ago

              Plus there’s all the sex with models. What a loser.

          6. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

            Oh and let's not forget, whenever Trump screws up, it is not his fault. It is always everyone else's fault.

            1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

              Aww, are you trying to pretend he's Sarcasmic and copying us?

              Never an original thought in your dishonest little head, is there, Jeffy.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

                He’s not called “Lying Jeffy” for nothing.

            2. One-Punch_Man   10 months ago

              Can you show me someone on the left that has said I screwed up? I mean if you hold Trump to that standard I'm sure you are holding Obama, Harris, Biden, and the rest right?

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

          Is that one of your pet fantasies?

    3. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

      BLM is not convinced.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/black-lives-matter-demands-virtual-primary-calls-democrats-party-of-hypocrites/ar-BB1qw9EW?ocid=socialshare&pc=HCTS&cvid=2d984dae0ec84b86826f14aad1240e9a&ei=36

      Black Lives Matter demands virtual primary, calls Democrats 'party of hypocrites'

      July 23 (UPI) -- Black Lives Matter is demanding the Democratic National Committee host a virtual snap primary before its convention in August, as the group called out the "undemocratic process" that led to Vice President Kamala Harris becoming the presumptive Democratic nominee for president.

      In a statement released Tuesday, the group, which rose to prominence in 2020 for organizing protests in the wake of George Floyd's death, called Democrats a "party of hypocrites" after Harris secured enough delegates for the nomination.

      "Democratic Party elites and billionaire donors are attempting to manipulate Black voters by anointing Kamala Harris and an unknown vice president as the new Democratic ticket without a primary vote of the public," Black Lives Matter wrote Tuesday in a statement. "This blatant disregard for democratic principles is unacceptable."

      "The Democratic Party, which has been the loudest in defending democracy, is now poised to commit some of the most undemocratic maneuvering to avoid listening to the will of the voters."

      1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

        "Black Lives Matter demands virtual primary, calls Democrats ‘party of hypocrites’"

        I mean if that is true, good for them. Might be the first good thing BLM did. Step 1 is realizing you are still on the plantation

      2. R Mac   10 months ago

        It’s a shame about the upcoming DOJ investigation into BLM.

        1. HorseConch   10 months ago

          How glorious it will be to watch them devour themselves.

      3. Super Scary   10 months ago

        "called Democrats a “party of hypocrites”"

        They are able to smell their own kind.

        1. R Mac   10 months ago

          “The party that covered for us burning and looting 2 billion dollars worth of damage while spreading Marxist propaganda and extorting millions from corporations just so they could win an election? Turns out they have questionable morals.”

      4. One-Punch_Man   10 months ago

        Shouldn't BLM be out scamming more money?

        I do admit, this democrat trainwreck is fun to watch

  3. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    …what does Harris actually believe?

    School bus descriptions and free prison labor are good.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

      The overlap between people who rode in school buses and the school to prision pipeline would make a neat venn diagram.

    2. Moonrocks   10 months ago

      "Abortions for all, little Ukrainian flags for others!"

  4. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    Possibly becoming tougher on Israel, but also not really.

    Depending on what crowd she's standing in front of.

  5. Don't look at me!   10 months ago

    She hasn’t got a chance.

    1. Social Justice is neither   10 months ago

      Polling of blue city election workers says otherwise.

      1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

        We'll have to see what the opinion of the professional mail-in ballot writers' and Dominion and Diebold are before we know her chances.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

      The MSM media will prop her up as the second coming of Obama. They will push fake polls showing how popular she is against Trump. Then, they will fortify the election so when she wins with 90 million mail in votes, they will say see, we told you the people stand with her.

      1. HorseConch   10 months ago

        X was pumping full of fake polls yesterday. They had Trump down to 38% in several, but her support levels were no better than Biden's. She was getting shellacked by independents, so they just weighted them heavier D. Maybe she causes huge D turnout, but getting wiped by independents won't work. She will get trashed by working class voters. Fraud is her best bet.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

          The polls were heavily weighted for Democrats. Other commenters on Twitter took note of that.

        2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

          Ya, the amount of articles and polls I saw yesterday was at COVID psyop levels.

          We literally just had polls 5 days ago of Trump vs Harris and him beating her pretty much across the board, and all of a sudden literally EVERY poll has her up over him? Despite her being the most historically unpopular VP of all time to one of the lowest approval rating POTUS of all time?...

          Gaslighting level 11/10

          1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

            They have to maintain the illusion of democracy.

            1. HorseConch   10 months ago

              She may or may not garner a little D excitement, but she's not taking away 7-10% of Trump's support as some of the newest polls suggest.

              1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

                "She may or may not garner a little D excitement"

                Garnering D excitement is how she came up in California...

                "but she’s not taking away 7-10"

                Taking 7-10 is how she came up in California...

          2. One-Punch_Man   10 months ago

            There are 13 credible national polls that show Trump stomping Harris.

            I agree, they are trying a new master class in gaslighting.

        3. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

          USA Today was "fact-checking" a FAKE Trump tweet.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fabricated-trump-post-claims-he-lost-whole-ear-in-shooting-fact-check/ar-BB1qvkGC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=a866ad69bc624380a690cd4ad2d487a2&ei=38

          Fabricated Trump post claims he lost 'whole ear' in shooting | Fact check

          July 20 Facebook post (direct link, archive link) shows what appears to be a post on X, formerly Twitter, from former President Donald Trump that includes increasingly outlandish claims about the shooting at his rally that left him with an injured right ear.

          “It took my entire ear off,” begins the text of the purported post. “The whole ear.”

          It ends with an assertion that he is "the best at regrowing ears."

          Similar versions of the image and the claim were shared hundreds of times on Facebook, on Instagram and on X.

          Our rating: Altered

          Trump did not share the post. The image is a fabrication created by a social media user who identified it as satire, but many reposts give no indication of its satirical origin.

          [Whew, thanks for that USA Today!]

          1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

            OK that is hilarious.

            We are moving toward a timeline where we might have CNN/MSNBC/Wapo/NYT fact checking BabylonBee articles. Probably this election cycle id guess

            1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   10 months ago

              They've already done that several times.

              1. HorseConch   10 months ago

                Considering The Bee is basically running 6 months from now's news disguised as parody, maybe they're onto something.

                1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

                  "basically running 6 months from now’s news"

                  Six hours from now. After the Trump shooting and Joe's resignation we were seeing the prophecies come true later the same day.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

                    I think they have a better record than the Oracle at Delphi now.

            2. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

              Oh, that's already happening.

              USA Today once fact-checked a Bee piece saying President Joe Biden sold Alaska to Russia. PolitiFact ran to the scene after a Bee article claimed, “ISIS Lays Down Arms After Katy Perry’s Impassioned Plea To ‘Like, Just Co-Exist’”

              USA Today fact checks The Babylon Bee's "claim" that Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death was overturned by 9th circuit court

              https://www.ncll.org/news-alerts/snopes-fact-checks-christian-satire-site-babylon-bee

              The Babylon Bee pokes fun of religious, political, and celebrity leaders and describes itself as “fake news you can trust.” But Snopes has mischaracterized the Bee’s satirical stories more than thirty times, giving them a “False” rating for comedically absurd headlines like “California Considering a Tax on Breathing” and “Thanks To New Laws, VeggieTales Finally Introduces New Cannabis Character.”

              1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   10 months ago

                I got hooked on the Bee when they ran three jibes at Biden's age. Unfortunately, I only remember two:

                * Biden was going to release his first podcast on a 45 rpm single.

                * You've heard of vote by mail? Joe wants vote by telegram.

                Both about as apolitical as they could get, just poking fun at his age and current events. They had some about Trump, too, making Jeffy and sarspasstic happy I suppose, but they weren't as clever.

              2. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

                Perhaps people at Snopes are trigger by those headlines.

                “California Considering a Tax on Breathing” is not far out of character for people who like to tax everything.

                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

                  To be fair, both humor and criticism of Democrats is illegal (or should be), according to, well, Democrats.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

            The Gorilla Channel remains the best Trump-inspired hoax ever.

            1. R Mac   10 months ago

              Ice cream scoopgate was pretty good too.

    3. Tyval Dayall   10 months ago

      The D's own the media, they own the education industry starting from birth, and they own the election workers in the key precincts that can make a difference.

      R's will never win another national election.

    4. Moonrocks   10 months ago

      She shouldn't have a chance, but she does. Trump will need to overcome heavy Fortification in multiple swing states in order to win.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    It's classic big government, all the way down.

    America is going to gag on it.

    Again, zing.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

      There will be no happy ending.

      1. Ajsloss   10 months ago

        Tough to swallow.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

          Cum on, spit it out.

          1. Jefferson Paul   10 months ago

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH4PkaN3eVA

            Who knew the Slipknot song was inspired by Kamala?

      2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

        what a load

      3. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

        Still one of my favorite quotes, even if a total psycho in the show said it:

        “If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.”
        - Ramsey Bolton, Game of Thrones Season 3

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

      Depends on your definition of "it", right?

  7. Knutsack   10 months ago

    "...she's inexperienced at crafting foreign policy, meaning she'll likely be more reliant on her traditionalist advisers..."

    Uh, what is she experienced at?

    1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

      Mayor Willie can tell you.

    2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      ...blowjobs

      1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

        The first person to literally fuck their way to the presidency, rather than figuratively like all the others.

        1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

          Most self respecting politicians worth half a shit get to the presidency and THEN parlay that into blowjobs. She's running the playbook in reverse.

          1. Ajsloss   10 months ago

            8" D chess.

            1. Jefferson Paul   10 months ago

              That's a good one, I won't lie.

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

            So, the opposite of pussy grabbing?

            1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

              Grabbing them WITH the pussy.

  8. Sandra (formerly OBL)   10 months ago

    Apparently the #DefendHarrisAtAllCosts memo went out: do everything possible to distance her from Biden's unpopular record on the border.

    They must have been lying years ago when they told us Biden puts Harris in charge of border crisis.

    1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      Hopefully they'll be playing that interview over and over in ads:

      "Do you plan to go to the border"..."Well we are in Guatemala"

      "But what about the border"...(cunty) "Ive been to the border"

      "...But you havent actually tho..."...

      *dripping with condescension and indignation*
      "I havent been to Europe either"

      .....
      8 million illegals later, Laken Riley picture, 12 yr old NY girl raped...

    2. R Mac   10 months ago

      No, actually the border is under control now, so she can chalk that up as an accomplishment.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

      Quit being a racist! Claiming that the official narrative today contradicts the official narrative from the past is just what a MAGA loser would do.

  9. But SkyNet is a Private Company   10 months ago

    They don’t have to paint her anything, she is in fact a radical who is open to every ultra-progressive looney idea.
    She was the only Senator to the left of Bernie Sanders.
    100 out of 100

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

      Imagine a dumber, duller version of Gavin Newsom and you have Harris in a nutshell. Putting a California leftist in charge of the country, you might as well get the national divorce papers lined up and ready to go.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

        I do find myself pondering the national divorce more and more. I know it would likely be a shit-show that would produce two very retarded countries instead of one mildly retarded, argumentative nation. I dream of a solution that would somehow distill out the retard (socialist, DEI left and evangelical [remember them] right), and leave us with a boring centrist and even libertarian-leaning majority.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

          The Roman Empire ultimately collapsed into a bunch of small-time principalities in the west, and the main reason Byzantium held on as the eastern remnant is because the various cultures there had no reason to break off from the central authority in Constantinople until the Arab Muslim invasions began installing effective replacements in their wake.

          The country is basically a bunch of blue archipelagos surrounded by red hinterlands. Any actual national divorce wouldn't happen cleanly along state lines, and would probably resemble the western Roman empire more than anything else, with population collapses, mass migrations, and de-scaling of administrative structures. Don't expect infrastructure like Glen Canyon and Hoover Dams to last very long in that scenario, either.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (Factio Democratica delenda est 5/30/24)   10 months ago

          The only problem with a national divorce is that while one side is fine to let the other go its own retarded way, that retarded side isn’t willing to let us go so willingly.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

            And the so-called "friend" (Kemp Republicans) of the non-retarded side is trying to convince them that the retarded side really isn't so bad, and you're just a loser who would be nothing without them, so why would you try to leave?

    2. Roberta   10 months ago

      To Sanders's "left" except on matters where she could punch down against victimless criminals or victimize the pettiest of "capitalists".

    3. mad.casual   10 months ago

      They don’t have to paint her anything, she is in fact a radical who is open to every ultra-progressive looney idea.

      @0:51 in the ad, the news interviewer says “Would you support…” as the video cuts in and Kamala is already nodding “Yes.” in ascension.

      The generous interpretation (to Kamala) of that is that it’s between a glad handing session and an arranged conversation whereby whatever news platform is merely propagandizing Kamala’s (or the Administration’s or Party’s) previously-approved talking points.

  10. Super Scary   10 months ago

    "So my son, Xavier, is dead, killed by the woke mind virus."

    Vax status?

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

      Valued against good mental health.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

        Should be vaxed not valued

  11. Roberta   10 months ago

    A: to be ignored long enough to have a chance of being elected.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    The sad reality is that, right now, Harris is pretty much only hype, no substance.

    A potential figurehead, perhaps?

    1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

      Empty pant suit.

    2. R Mac   10 months ago

      Hey, I was assured by some Reason staff in 2020 that having an ineffectual president will result in the administration not being able to get anything bad accomplished.

  13. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

    as money printer simply cannot go brrr in perpetuity

    Hold my beer - U.S. Congress

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   10 months ago

      Have they never heard of M[agic] M[oney] T[ree]?

      I have no doubt that she subscribes whole heartedly to the phony theory; just look at her few trillion here few trillion there proposals. Anything to buy enough votes from the stupids.

      1. Super Scary   10 months ago

        Is that the same tree that sometimes needs the blood patriots and tyrants or am I thinking of some other metaphorical tree?

  14. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    Pro-Palestinian demonstrators felt it trivialized their movement.

    In the social justice system, staged tent encampments are considered especially triggering. The dedicated protestors who shut down bridges to free Palestine are known as anti-Semitic dupes. These are their stories.

    1. Don't look at me!   10 months ago

      Excellent

    2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      *clunk clunk*

      (how the fuck does one onomatopoeia this?)

      1. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

        https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/articles/features/the_story_behind_mysterious_law__order_dun_dun_sound-102335

        "Interestingly enough, the largest debate regarding the sound that looms online, is the proper way to spell it - “dun dun” “dum dum” “clang clang” “chung chung” “ding ding” “ring ring” the list goes on. "

      2. Small w woodchippertarian   10 months ago

        Based on the last time I watched a L&O episode, it should be *dung dung*

    3. Super Scary   10 months ago

      "But we're just trying to protect the brown people! Why is it wrong this time?!"

    4. Moonrocks   10 months ago

      Trivializing their movement would be quite a feat.

    5. mad.casual   10 months ago

      I'm just glad Richard Belzer isn't alive to see this.

  15. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    ...painting her as a radical who is open to every ultra-progressive Democrat's absurd ideas.

    Her campaign could use James Carville.

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   10 months ago

      "It's the inflation, stupid."

  16. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    There was a lot of confusion and I was told Xavier might commit suicide [if not allowed to medically transition].

    That's how they get you.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

      Execpt 'transitioning' doesn't stop them from committing suicide.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

        Studies either show no effect or increased effect depending on number of years they follow post transition. Effect being committing suicide.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

          What do you mean treating someone who has a mental break from reality by going along with their make believe doesn't make things better?

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

            As soon as the doctors tell people with anorexia to diet and schizophrenic patients that they really do see people, ill buy pretending with trans is viable.

            1. Roberta   10 months ago

              "Doc, I got bugs all over me!"
              "Well, get away from me!"

              Old joke.

              1. mad.casual   10 months ago

                R.I.P.

          2. R Mac   10 months ago

            I had a friend who was suffering depression. I wanted to respect his lived experience, so I agreed with him that his life was hopeless and everyone hated him.

        2. Ajsloss   10 months ago

          Effect being committing suicide.

          Factoring in degrees of separation from the Clintons?

          1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

            Those were all one true suicides.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

      "Would you rather have a live ______ or a dead ________" is the classic false dilemma they present. Any doctor who tries that kind of emotional manipulation should meet the business end of a hammer blow.

      That's why the left is trying to pass as many laws as possible to keep parents who might object out of the picture, such as the California laws that allow teachers to hide their tranny grooming, and permit kidnapping so that kids can get their genitals mutilated in the state.

      This is what Harris is going to try and take nationwide if she's put in charge of the country. It's also why our "enemies" should be encouraged to burn the California coast to ash.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

        It's the Dr. Mengele plan.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle (whose incompetence was the subject of yesterday's Roundup) resigned.

    TRUMP ESCAPES ASSASSINATION, WOMEN HARDEST HIT

    1. Spiritus Mundi   10 months ago

      I was told by Liz yesterday being a woman had nothing to do with her incompetence.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

        Conversely, calling out her incompetence has nothing to do with her being a woman.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

          What is the new official Venn diagram for incompetence and women?

          1. Ajsloss   10 months ago

            According to the Disney Star Wars writers, the two circles do not overlap.

    2. mad.casual   10 months ago

      Women have always been the primary victims of war, assassination attempts, successful suicide, mysterious deaths in federal custody, dementia, workplace accidents, false accusations of being disproportionately under-represented as victims of war, assassination attempts, successful suicide, mysterious deaths in federal custody, dementia, and workplace accidents...

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

        Yeah, but they live 5 years longer.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   10 months ago

    Hawaii's Sen. Brian Schatz (D) is leading a group of lawmakers, all Democrats and independents, in forcing OpenAI to detail how it will meet "public commitments" to...

    ...black Hitlers and indigenous George Washingtons.

  19. tracerv   10 months ago

    What the fuck is "brat"?

    1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      In short, its dressing your campaign up to appeal to the urban genZ portion of the voter base that, 1: doesn't vote 2: if they vote they are already voting for you, while causing the vast majority of working class *actual* adults to cringe and be put off.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

        Hey, that explains what's been happening to the WSJ.

    2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      also interesting thing I saw was Katy Perry offered her "Woman's World" single to be something the Harris campaign could latch on to and they passed on it, which if true would confirm that maybe they did learn something from the lean-in--girlboss-feminism backlash.

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

        Even the girl boss crazies hate that song. So not saying much. Perry was ruthlessly mocked for the song.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

          Perry passed her sell-by date the minute she squeezed a kid out of her cooter. She's almost 40 years old, which means she's in an entertainment limbo where she can't be marketed to youth culture to push rebellion anymore, but she isn't quite old enough for the Millennial nostalgia tours where former big-time performers can make really big bucks again.

          Taylor Swift and Beyonce are really the only female performers past 30 who can still move platinum-level album sales, and that's mainly due to the parasocial clouds around them, not the quality of their work.

          1. tracerv   10 months ago

            "and that’s mainly due to the parasocial clouds around them, not the quality of their work."

            Ain't that the goddamed truth. Nailed it.

            1. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

              Swifties offended.

          2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

            Perry is also in that very cringey stage where she is not really culturally relevant, feels dated to genZ, and as a result she has to way overcompensate by turning the lefty propaganda up to 11 at all times in hopes that she will still be allowed to get some cultural table scraps from the floor.

            The male equivalent is like Mark Hamill. He's basically at the point in his career that if he does anything other than full on TDS at all times, the kudos and attaboys will go away and he really doesn't have anything to fall back on.

            Visually, when Andy on the Office keeps trying to impress Deangelo by being "the funny guy" and has to shove his hand in the toaster, poor hot coffee on himself, drink soap, be in full on slapstick clown mode at all times for the most mild of attaboys from the boss. That's what these aged celebrities look like

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

              Perry is also in that very cringey stage where she is not really culturally relevant, feels dated to genZ, and as a result she has to way overcompensate by turning the lefty propaganda up to 11 at all times in hopes that she will still be allowed to get some cultural table scraps from the floor.

              Perry was always a propaganda tool for the industry, I just don't think she fully realized how much of one she really was until recently.

              Daily Fail had an article on Tara Reid that mentioned her “LGBTQ+ advocacy” in a queerbait magazine. Seems that’s a cheap way for Hollywood has-beens to keep their cred for whatever bits the industry might throw their way. She looks fucking rough, too, even for 48 years old, much less Hollywood 48.

              The male equivalent is like Mark Hamill. He’s basically at the point in his career that if he does anything other than full on TDS at all times, the kudos and attaboys will go away and he really doesn’t have anything to fall back on.

              At this point, all Hamill has is his Luke Skywalker cred, which he completely sold out on just to keep the part, and his Joker voice. Every time he steps out of line on Twitter for some pop culture take, he gets brought to heel by the lefty hivemind fast.

    3. Rick James   10 months ago

      She 'gets' zoomer humor.

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   10 months ago

        Saw an article on MSN saying the boomers are being pushed out to make room for genX. Had a picture of cacklin’ kam kam.

        Just one problem: Harris is a late boomer. I guess if sleepy joe is sharp as a tack behind closed doors, kammy can culturally appropriate a generation.

        Lol. Here we go.

  20. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

    "genocide" in Gaza

    WORST. GENOCIDE. EVER.

    On par with a coup attempt by a meandering and unarmed crowd of "insurrectionists".

    1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      Approaching a year in, and despite having the ability to snap their fingers and make all the Palestinians disappear, the majority of them are still alive. This is what "genocide" means now

      1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

        What do you mean, Sarcasmic assured me there were 30,000, and X accounts named 'Abdul' say that there are millions dead.

        1. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

          Leave sarc alone. He had to go with Hamas' casualty numbers because they were at the top of the google search.

          1. R Mac   10 months ago

            Poor sarc trying to keep up with those pesky facts that keep changing.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

      Paging Gruppenfuhrer Misek...

  21. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   10 months ago

    "What Does Kamala Harris Actually Want?"

    To avoid ever having to get a job.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

      To never have to blow someone to get her next job?

      1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

        I really don't think she minds.

  22. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

    "her lack of policy assertiveness is fitting for a vice president who has had to mostly just get in line with the president's wishes."

    She had ONE JOB. The border. An abject nightmare failure.

    Some people want to play semantics and say she wasn't the "border czar". But Biden publicly placed her at the head of the table for border issues.

    (e.g., NYT: Why Republicans Keep Calling Kamala Harris the ‘Border Czar’ The misleading phrase is meant to underscore one of the thorniest issues in her portfolio: immigration. But Ms. Harris was not, in fact, appointed border czar, nor was she tasked with addressing the broader problems plaguing the border itself, where minors have at times slept on the floors of overcrowded facilities for days beyond the legal limit.)

    BBC 2021:

    US President Joe Biden has put Vice-President Kamala Harris in charge of controlling migration at the southern border following a big influx of new arrivals.

    Mr Biden said he was giving her a "tough job" but that she was "the most qualified person to do it".

    Announcing Ms Harris's appointment as his immigration czar, Mr Biden told reporters and officials at the White House: "She's the most qualified person to do it, to lead our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangle [Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador], and the countries that are going to need help in stemming the movement of so many folks - stemming the migration to our southern border".

    Mr Biden said Ms Harris's past work as California's attorney general made her well suited to leading the effort, adding: "When she speaks, she speaks for me."

    In response Ms Harris said: "Needless to say, the work will not be easy. But it is important work."

    By putting her in charge of addressing the growing humanitarian crisis on the US-Mexico border, Biden has given Harris a significant portfolio laced with both political opportunity and peril. Her challenge is to prove that there is way to stem the tide of undocumented migrants coming to the US from Central America without resorting to what Democrats characterise as the Trump administration's draconian policies.

    If she succeeds, Harris defuses an issue that the Republican Party - and Donald Trump, in particular - has used as an effective political weapon against her party, earning the gratitude of influential immigration activists. If she fails, the ensuing political fallout could derail the Biden presidency and overshadow all its early accomplishments.

    Biden boasted that Harris, as a former California attorney general, is the person "most qualified" to handle the complex political, logistical and diplomatic challenges this immigration issue presents.

    Harris now has the chance to prove it - and burnish any future presidential credentials along the way.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

      Hey, no "serious" media source can be cited for anything they published before the current news-narrative cycle.

  23. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

    Kamala Harris in video.

    https://x.com/DaveMcCormickPA/status/1815894904650047929

    End fracking. End of off shore drilling. Open borders. Mandatory gun buyback. End filibuster. Abolish ICE. Abortion to birth. Reduce meat eating. Allowing even terrorists to vote. Government Healthcare only, no private.

    1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      Shes a candidate who's policies are grossly unpopular with indys, and even with people who ideologically agree with her she really doesn't resonate or cause excitement.

      Its going to take a whole lot of fortification for her to win

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

        Back when she was helping bail out BLM criminals she would brag about being voted the most liberal candidate. But media is already starting the moderate angle. I'm sure we will see Reason follow suit.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

          But only reluctantly and strategically.

        2. Jerry B.   10 months ago

          WAPO has run articles about her law-and-order cred, if you consider jailing the parents of truants and folks arrested for simple pot possession law&order.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

        Or the biggest, slickest, most expensive propaganda campaign the US has ever seen.

        1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

          MSM: "Heard, we're on it"

    2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   10 months ago

      She has no goals, no principles, no desires, other than gaining power, first by sucking up to other politicians, and then by bribing voters. She is the most malleable politician I have heard of.

      Her brain is mush because she has never used it for thinking.

  24. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

    "the political power of joy."

    More like she's joyous with the possibility of political power.

  25. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

    "painting her as a radical who is open to every ultra-progressive Democrat's absurd ideas."

    Isn't she?

    1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

      Just posted her past statements right above on the policies she has supported. The problem is she is a moron so many will ignore her past statements. She says whatever looks popular on MSNBC.

  26. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

    What Does Kamala Harris Actually Want?

    Power. Just like all the rest.

    1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      2x this week "Im with Jeff"

      Stop it Jeff, you're scaring me

      1. JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   10 months ago

        He does this every couple of months when the left takes a nose dive to try to pretend to be more moderate. It is part of his pattern. No different than shrike claiming to not be a Democrat but supporting every Democrat policy prior to just before its failure.

        1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

          Hey, if he is willing to admit that water is wet 1/1000 times, I guess its better than never.

          I do expect it to be followed up with an "*Actshuallly* water is dry!" but ill give him credit when he lands on sanity once in a blue moon

          1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   10 months ago

            That's the weird part. Both these recent times, his post has not only had a kernel of truth, but that's all it had. No long misquotes or prevarications, just one simple truth. It's like a stage magician putting his hand in a hat and pulling out ... nothing. You keep looking, waiting for the rest of the act, and ... nothing.

          2. Jefferson Paul   10 months ago

            While dishonest, chemjeff isn’t stupid. I would expect him, a chemist, to reply to the water is wet statement with a technically true, but completely bypassing the point, useless prevarication that, “Akshually, one water molecule isn’t wet. Wetness is an emergent property of the interaction of multiple water molecules. So water isn’t wet, at least not in all instances, depending on what you define water as.”

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

      Who do you think would try to use EOs more to do an end run around Congress?

      I can’t say Trump has an agenda. He would better than Harris on border issues which have had down range issues one being budget breaking costs for cities.

      The left is pushing a Marxists ideology.

      1. rrgg   10 months ago

        Just listen to what she says and posts -- Kamala repeatedly stands for Marxist ideology or a new form of it, perhaps unknowingly.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

          ""perhaps unknowingly.""

          Knowingly. Those ideas are good for people who want almost unlimited power over other people.

    3. Lester75   10 months ago

      I’ve seen her speeches. She’s not all that bright. The only things I like about her are that she is not quite as protectionist as Donald, is more libertarian on abortion, pot etc., and is less likely to replace competent people in the agencies with incompetent loyalists. A lot of the ‘deep state’ are long-term appointees from prior administrations including Republican ones. To replace them all with political boot-lickers will leave us with dumb lawyers who flatter dear leader dictating health care policy etc. Trump intends to do this. The election is not a great choice all around.

  27. Rick James   10 months ago

    She's even "brat," claims a CNN panel that doesn't really know what they're talking about but is using pop star Charli XCX's endorsement as a way to claim Harris has influence with Gen Z.

    Didn't Gen Z overwhelmingly vote for the doddering old fool who just dropped out?

    81,000,000 votes.

  28. Rick James   10 months ago

    "A Harris administration would probably offer strong support for Ukraine's war effort, and continue initiatives to deepen alliances in Asia and the Pacific in the face of China's geopolitical ascendance," reports Politico.

    The Zelensky curse will claim another victim.

    1. mad.casual   10 months ago

      It seems like there are 1 and 2 reasons why the choice of the word 'deepen' is either nefariously brilliant or completely tone deaf.

  29. Rick James   10 months ago

    Speaking of Elon Musk, he's currently at "war" with EU regulators over secret bribes to censor X.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

      I don't know why he doesn't just kick them off the platform and tell them if they want back on, they'll have to pay through the nose to get their account re-activated. "It's a private company," after all, and it's not like they'd be the first people to bribe Twatter admins to get their accounts restored.

  30. R Mac   10 months ago

    "Their views, I think, would fit well with a Bill Clinton or [Barack] Obama presidency. They are straight-arrow, traditional foreign policy folks."

    Someone should come up with some sort of term or label to describe these “views”.

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   10 months ago

      "Yikes"?

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   10 months ago

      WW3 enthusiasts?

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

      Hmm. Clinton was horndog power-mad trailer trash. Obama was Weather Underground meets security state.

  31. Moderation4ever   10 months ago

    If I had any doubts about Elon Musk he has put them to rest the last few days. He is a horse's ass. The man is a billionaire, and he can get all the information he wants and yet he says he was tricked in approving his child transition. Maybe he should spend a little more time getting to know his child and understanding his child as a person. I don't really know anything about Musk's child case, but it sounds like Musk doesn't know all that much himself.

    1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      "The man is a billionaire, and he can get all the information he wants and yet he says he was tricked in approving his child transition. "

      Im a fan of Elon, but I have to say my initial thought was "this is what happens when someone else raises your kids". The kids only "parent" is one of Elon's ex-fucks, raised by that mom and more likely a series of nannies, with no rational guiding figure or influence.

      Frankly, this is exactly how kids get sold into this cult in the public school system: little parental involvement, mental illness, and left to be "guided" by corrupt groomers. This one happened to be someone with extreme resources, but the necessary ingredients were all still there.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

        Im a fan of Elon, but I have to say my initial thought was “this is what happens when someone else raises your kids”. The kids only “parent” is one of Elon’s ex-fucks, raised by that mom and more likely a series of nannies, with no rational guiding figure or influence.

        Sure, but he's not the first parent who was manipulated by doctors into believing their child would commit suicide if they weren't allowed to permanently disfigure themselves. It's certainly not limited to the nation's elites, but it is more likely to be seen in upper middle class households because there was so much social clout to be gained by trooning your kid (see Jazz Jennings/Coy Mathis and their horrible, attention-seeking mothers).

        1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

          Definitely agree that the groomer-industrial-complex uses these tactics and they are a cancer and absolutely responsible in huge part.

          But the ultimate responsibility falls on the parents, more on the father. Women are frankly more susceptible to this hogwash, whether its the emotional blackmail, the social clout chasing, the virtue signaling...all of it. Men are more likely to see through it and put their foot down.

          I think Elon is doing great things on a lot of fronts, and unfortunately for him, being a good father is the area that suffers so the others can succeed. Good for humanity, bad for his kids.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

            Keep in mind that Elon was considered a liberal for a long time. Going along with trooning your kid out would be considered SOP for that class, because they actually believe that absolutely nothing bad happens as the result of giving kids puberty blockers or cutting their genitals and breasts off.

            As he becomes considered more and more of a heretic to left-liberal wokeism, the more he’s pushing back against the class of extremely powerful people whose club he was allowed to join because he spouted a lot of the same nonsense they did. Not even Peter Thiel has become as much of a pariah against the establishment as Musk has, and it's only due to his Falcon rockets putting something like 85% of government satellites into space that he hasn't been squashed.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

              Yeah, I have to think Elon is complicit in what happened to his kid, if just defaulting to the delusional hive mind of the hipster elite.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

                That's absolutely what happened. If he'd pushed back against it at the time, people would have wondered why he was acting like a right-wing reactionary.

                I wouldn't call Elon a "free thinker," but what's unusual about him is that he's a made man who, for various reasons, gets fed up with The Outfit and goes rogue. The same thing happened with Trump and look what's happened with him over the last 15 years or so--he went from a guy getting name-dropped by rappers as an aspirational figure to nearly getting yeeted by a waterhead a few days ago and undergoing massive political lawfare. Same thing is going to happen to Musk as soon as the Deep State finds an opening to do so.

                1. tracerv   10 months ago

                  Now the rappers are starting to love him again.

            2. Super Scary   10 months ago

              “Keep in mind that Elon was considered a liberal for a long time.”

              Reddit and the like were whacking that guy off for a while and then all of a sudden they turned on him hard. When did that happen exactly? Was it just because he bought Twitter?

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

                He started expressing heretical thoughts against the marxist theological dogma.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

      If I had any doubts about Elon Musk he has put them to rest the last few days. He is a horse’s ass. The man is a billionaire, and he can get all the information he wants and yet he says he was tricked in approving his child transition.

      Fuck off, shitlib. "Do you want a live daughter or a dead son" is a well-known manipulation tactic by these butcher doctors, and their practices are so heinous and their "gender-affirming care" so debilitating that even the leftist governments in EU countries are cutting back on allowing it.

      If you think "he's a horse's ass," that simply shows that "moderates" are crypto-leftists who want to mutilate children.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

        Let's pretend Leelah Alcorn never existed.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leelah_Alcorn

        1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

          Let’s pretend any of the Alcorn narrative is any realer than your old Matthew Shepard or Brandon Teena ones were.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

            So, yeah - pretend that the actual Leelah Alcorn never existed, and, in the socially-constructed right-wing 'reality', substitute a caricature of Leelah Alcorn which is fake and conforms to your tribe's narratives.

            1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

              So yeah, let's pretend that your creepy crew didn't twist the narrative around Alcorn for your own demented purposes and you didn't run my reply through an exaggeration fallacy and claim I was saying Alcorn didn't exist.

              Everyone doesn't call you Lying Jeffy for nothing.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

            Not to mention the fact that the suicide note is basically Alcorn admitting that he can't overcome biology, and that his fantasy is never going to become reality.

            1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

              Jeff knows, but he's been a liar from the very beginning. Probably from the very first post he ever made on the internet.

              1. R Mac   10 months ago

                Growing up he was the kid with crumbs all over his face insisting that he didn’t just empty the cookie jar.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

          Suddenly chemtard wants to extrapolate cases on the margins as the majority.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

            No, I don't claim Leelah represents the majority. But Leelah actually existed. If you read her story, her parents did all the things that you demand - refused to 'indulge her delusions', sent her to counseling, took away her access to social media, put her on antidepressants. The result was that she killed herself.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

              If you read her story, her parents did all the things that you demand – refused to ‘indulge her delusions’, sent her to counseling, took away her access to social media, put her on antidepressants. The result was that she killed herself.

              No, this is why he killed himself, in his own words:

              I’m never going to transition successfully, even when I move out. I’m never going to be happy with the way I look or sound. I’m never going to have enough friends to satisfy me. I’m never going to have enough love to satisfy me. I’m never going to find a man who loves me. I’m never going to be happy. Either I live the rest of my life as a lonely man who wishes he were a woman or I live my life as a lonelier woman who hates herself.

              I realize you support child genital mutilation and the predatory cult that promotes it. But Alcorn’s issues were rooted in deep mental illness and inability to accept himself as he was, not because his parents wouldn’t indulge his demands and delusions.

              And the biggest reason is that the queer cult, like all marxist movements, promotes a false idea that if you’re not on a 24/7 dopamine high, which they currently call "joy," you’re being oppressed. The problem is that people tend to find out that cutting your dick or tits off and fucking up your physiology with hormone injections doesn’t bring them that dopamine state like the groomers on Tumblr said it would. All those freaks are worried about is “cracking eggs,” for their activism, not anyone’s actual well-being.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

                I realize you support child genital mutilation and the predatory cult that promotes it.

                I support every person, including children, having legal access to the medical care that they wish to have (in the case of children, with the parents' consent) based on a proper diagnosis and full disclosure of risks and benefits. You do not.

                But Alcorn’s issues were rooted in deep mental illness and inability to accept himself as he was

                So what is your solution for Leelah? Her parents did everything that your team demands - sent her to counseling, took away social media access, put her on antidepressants. What would you have done differently that would have, possibly, kept her alive?

                Or is it your position that the occasional transgender suicide is an acceptable price to pay for banning transgender medicine?

                1. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

                  "sent her to counseling, took away her access to social media, put her on antidepressants. The result was that she killed herself."

                  The suicide note in your wikipedia link doesn't support this.

                  1. R Mac   10 months ago

                    In Lying Jeffy’s defense, there’s a good chance the ant-depressants played a role. But overall he’s just making up bullshit to justify child mutilation.

                    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

                      Fair enough about the drugs.

                2. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

                  I support every person, including children, having legal access to the medical care that they wish to have (in the case of children, with the parents’ consent) based on a proper diagnosis and full disclosure of risks and benefits. You do not.

                  This is a bunch of glittering generalities that cover your support for child genital mutilation and physical debilitation, which even European countries are retreating from now that the actual medical results are becoming too common to ignore.

                  So what is your solution for Leelah? Her parents did everything that your team demands – sent her to counseling, took away social media access, put her on antidepressants. What would you have done differently that would have, possibly, kept her alive?

                  Probably nothing, because he was so deep in his mental illness and his grooming community on Tumblr that it was inevitable.

                  Or is it your position that the occasional transgender suicide is an acceptable price to pay for banning transgender medicine?

                  False dilemma, which you so love to traffic in when you realize how indefensible your fetish actually is.

                  By the way, your tranny ally Chris Tyson, Mr. Beast's best friend, is having to quit the channel because it came out in the mainstream that--surprise!!--he's a gay pedophile who was chasing minors online. His suicide would absolutely be acceptable, for what it's worth.

                  1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

                    "By the way, your tranny ally Chris Tyson, Mr. Beast’s best friend, is having to quit the channel because it came out in the mainstream that–surprise!!–he’s a gay pedophile who was chasing minors online. "

                    Exhibit #1000 that the LGBTQ and tranny cult are the most protected class known to man.

                    - Dr. Disrespect, straight white male streamer, was found out to be messaging a 17 year old, talking about inappropriate sex stuff, never met in person. It comes out, and his career gets fucking nuked from orbit, condemned by everyone across the board as gross, shitty, trash behavior. Dude loses his career and is a public pariah in seconds.

                    - "Ava Kris" (Chris) Tyson, out and proud celebrated tranny. Messaging multiple kids between the ages of 12-14, calling them "dad"(guess this is part of the fetish), sending nudes to them and telling them to keep it secret. Initial response from streamers and news outfits? "Tyson out from Mr. Beast among transphobic attacks". "Not ideal behavior, but we should all take a step back and condemn attacks on the transgender community" "Not a time for bigotry"

                    Most. Protected. Class. In. History.

                    If only there were some signs. Oh other than the gender bending obsession and Loli porn he had on his walls. If only we could have known...these people def arent groomers.

                  2. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

                    This is a bunch of glittering generalities blah blah blah

                    No, it is a statement of principle, from which I derive my position.

                    You on the other hand have no principle other than reactionary garbage.

                    So what is your solution for Leelah?

                    Probably nothing,

                    [...]

                    Or is it your position that the occasional transgender suicide is an acceptable price to pay for banning transgender medicine?

                    False dilemma,

                    In your case, it's not a false dilemma. I asked you what you would have done differently and you said you wouldn't have done anything different. So according to you, there is only one viable option, do what Leelah's parents tried to do, and if that doesn't work, then tough shit, dead kids are the price we pay.

                    I frankly don't think you give a shit if trans kids kill themselves. One less 'groomer' to prey on other kids, right?

                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

                      No, it is a statement of principle, from which I derive my position.

                      Yeah, we can tell that child sexual mutilation is an actual principle of yours, because you are so dedicated to defending it.

                      In your case, it’s not a false dilemma.

                      It's absolutely a false dilemma because there's no such thing as "transgender medicine." That's a false construct by lefty activists, influenced by castration fetishists, who are dedicated to convincing kids they're "born in the wrong body" and need to undergo mutilation to "be their authentic selves" (who end up self-deleting anyway).

                      I frankly don’t think you give a shit if trans kids kill themselves. One less ‘groomer’ to prey on other kids, right?

                      That you're employing the same "would you rather have a dead _______ or a live ________" manipulative tactic employed by butchers like "Marci" Bowers is hardly a surprise. Every kid who's been a "cracked egg" by a tranny groomer and love-bombed into believing they are something they actually aren't is a a tragedy. Obliterating the groomer communities on Tumblr and Reddit would mitigate a lot of the problem at the source.

                3. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

                  Once again, since you treat every argument as a clean slate, just like every other commie scumbag:

                  No, this is why he killed himself, in his own words:

                  I’m never going to transition successfully, even when I move out. I’m never going to be happy with the way I look or sound. I’m never going to have enough friends to satisfy me. I’m never going to have enough love to satisfy me. I’m never going to find a man who loves me. I’m never going to be happy. Either I live the rest of my life as a lonely man who wishes he were a woman or I live my life as a lonelier woman who hates herself.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

                    I’m never going to transition successfully, even when I move out.

                    Guess what, people who are very depressed to the point of suicide, tend to take a pessimistic view of their prospects of the future. Quelle surprise! The predictions in the suicide note aren't some fact-based rational prediction, they represent the pessimistic outlook of a troubled depressed person. And it's frankly offensive that you take her pessimism written in a moment of profound depression, and try to spin it as "see, she even admits that transgender health care wouldn't have worked!!!" I'm sure you would appreciate if the rest of us took every word that you spoke in moments of depression or grief or trauma and held them against you as if they are the literal truth, right?

                    1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

                      "Guess what, people who are very depressed to the point of suicide, tend to take a pessimistic view of their prospects of the future."

                      Guess what else, people who are very depressed and mentally deranged often kill themselves. Evidenced by the 40% suicide rate of the trans community. No other ingredients required. Quelle surprise!

                    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

                      Guess what, a mentally ill person facing the truth that reality will never match the fantasy might lead to a pessisimisstic view of the future. Quelle surprise!

                      It wasn’t his parents who caused his death, as much as you want to blame them. It was not being able to live with reality that did it.

                      The predictions in the suicide note aren’t some fact-based rational prediction,

                      On the contrary, it’s the one rational assessment he made.

                      And it’s frankly offensive that you take her pessimism written in a moment of profound depression, and try to spin it as “see, she even admits that transgender health care wouldn’t have worked!!!”

                      I don’t give a fuck how much a defender of child molesters like yourself finds it offensive. And he was a male, not a female, anymore than you saying “I’m Hercules” doesn’t make you a waddling fatass.

                      I’m sure you would appreciate if the rest of us took every word that you spoke in moments of depression or grief or trauma and held them against you as if they are the literal truth, right?

                      It's called "clarity," and it's the last thing the queer cult wants its recruits to engage in.

                4. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

                  "Or is it your position that the occasional transgender suicide is an acceptable price to pay for banning transgender medicine?"

                  Its not a price to pay for anything, its an inevitability, as the above case represents.

                  The suicide isn't happening because they cant get gender affirming care, its happening because the person is deeply mentally disturbed.

                  This is why suicidality doesn't actually improve with GAC, as the countries who dove head first into this stuff have now seen.

                  The lie that "your kid will die if you dont let them transition" purposefully misunderstands the pathology of the situation. Your premise is built on lies.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

                    The suicide isn’t happening because they cant get gender affirming care, its happening because the person is deeply mentally disturbed.

                    She committed suicide because her family rejected her as a transgender person.

                    It's not an inevitability that people like her have to die by suicide. Again, and I can't stress this enough, the parents did all the things that you demand that parents of transgender kids do. They took her to therapy, they took away her social media access, they put her on antidepressants, they did not 'indulge her delusion'.

                    If there are therapies and medications that can work to manage mental illnesses and challenges such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, autism, etc., what is the therapy and/or medication that can work for individuals like Leelah?

                    And if there is no therapy or medication that can work, to convert people like Leelah from thinking they are the 'wrong' gender, then what is the harm with gender reassignment medicine for individuals like her? If the alternative REALLY IS death by suicide, how can transgender medicine be worse? Worst case, she gets the procedure done and still commits suicide anyway because she's still unhappy. But that is the same outcome as your recommended treatment.

                    1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

                      "She committed suicide because her family rejected her as a transgender person.

                      It’s not an inevitability that people like her have to die by suicide."

                      Not an inevitability, but about a 40% probability.

                      Again, studies dont actually show an improvement with GAC, so no, going along with the delusions would not have produced a higher statistical likelihood of survival. No more than me telling my kid who thinks he's a T-rex hunting wild boar that he can go out in the woods and hunt actual wild boar.

                    2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

                      " then what is the harm with gender reassignment medicine for individuals like her? If the alternative REALLY IS death by suicide, how can transgender medicine be worse? "

                      Again, stop repeating the same failed and incorrect premise. The false choice you are presenting is GAC vs death by suicide, which has not been shown to be the choice.

                      Accepting this premise is precisely why so many parents have actually been convinced by the cult that "A living daughter is better than a dead son" and its the exact choice you are putting forward. There isnt data to support that this choice is grounded in any reality.

                5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

                  Now do elective amputation.

              2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

                "I’m never going to transition successfully, even when I move out. I’m never going to be happy with the way I look or sound. I’m never going to have enough friends to satisfy me. I’m never going to have enough love to satisfy me. I’m never going to find a man who loves me. "

                This also tracks with a good amount of what we have seen as well. A few of the bigger points:

                - The underlying issue is severe amounts of coexisting mental illness. This is why transing the kid doesn't actually fix the issue, as the left claimed (before more evidence came out that they were full of it). Taking someone that is riddled with mental illness and mutilating them still doesn't actually address the problem any more than telling a schizophrenic the voices are real or an anorexic girl that ya, she is a fat disgusting fuck that needs to lose weight. The underlying illness isnt addressed, hence the suicide rate doesnt actually decline (as we were lied to) when they get gender affirming care.

                - These people are deeply sad and need early intervention in the form of therapy, and protection from the gender cult. They are being sold a bill of goods from a group that desperately wants to grow their followers, and told it will solve all their problems.

                - Most of these cases of M-->F would result in the kid growing out of it and just being a gay man in the end

                - Most of these cases of F--> M would result in the girl just growing out of it

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

                  – Most of these cases of F–> M would result in the girl just growing out of it

                  The vast majority of kids queering out is primarily due to relentless propaganda on the part of the left that makes having any kind of pathology or deviance something to be uncritically celebrated. It's basically like goth kids in the 90s or punk/metal in the 80s.

                  Case in point--the daughter of a friend of mine was supposedly in a lesbian relationship at school. My friend found it odd mainly because the daughter was always really flirtatious with boys, but didn't want to raise a ruckus. I was pretty certain that she was just doing this as part of trying to fit in with the circle of weirdos she ended up falling in with in high school--theater kids, band kids, field hockey lesbos, etc., where being a queer dipshit is expected of you.

                  Sure enough, the kid's dating a boy now.

                  1. rbike   10 months ago

                    The victim Olympics are next week.

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

                  The underlying issue is severe amounts of coexisting mental illness. This is why transing the kid doesn’t actually fix the issue

                  So what is 'the issue' and what is your proposed solution?

                  That is a big problem with the authoritarians on your team, when someone proposes a solution to a problem that you don't like, you just try to ban it instead of proposing a workable alternative.

                  1. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

                    "So what is ‘the issue’ and what is your proposed solution?"

                    Intact and strong family structure. Present and involved 2 parent households. Early intervention in the form of non-invasive therapy from a therapist that recognizes gender dysphoria as the pathology it is and not an activist who thinks its just another way of thinking.

                    The fact is that while anyone can fall victim to the cult ideology, the majority of kids come from situations with little or poor parental involvement, abuse, neglect. Its more often the result of catastrophic mental anguish secondary to a shitty life. Sometimes its Munchhausen's adjacent. Regardless, failure of the family structure would reduce the overall numbers drastically, even if niche cases would still occur.

                    The above example is clearly one where GAC would not have made a difference. The direct writings of the dead kid are pretty clear evidence of that.

                    "when someone proposes a solution to a problem that you don’t like, you just try to ban it "

                    Ya, when someone proposes a very clearly misguided and dangerous solution, im happy to team up with the folks that would ban it. The problem is people on your team pushing dangerous abusive solutions, not my teams rejection of it

            2. R Mac   10 months ago

              He killed himself because his parents took away his social media access?

        3. Jefferson Paul   10 months ago

          Let's decide everything by looking at the suicidal writings of mentally ill people. Should we use the pamphlets strewn about by Maxwell Azzarello before he self-immolated to craft national policy?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   10 months ago

            No, don't decide *everything* based on Leelah's story. But, don't decide *everything* based on the 'detransitioners' either. They ALL exist and they ALL should be acknowledged.

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

      It's easy to trick people using language. Being a billionaire does not make you immune.

    4. Mickey Rat   10 months ago

      There is a developing scandal where it is shown that WPATH is suppressing scientific information that goes against child transitioning and has been doing so under pressure from the US government iunder the auspices of Rachel Levine.

    5. mad.casual   10 months ago

      "Did you see the length of skirts that Elon can afford not to wear?" - Retardation4ever

  32. Moderation4ever   10 months ago

    Right now the Presidential choice is between a new person and the person the country fired in 2020. I say give Kamala Harris a chance and we can fire her in 2028 if she does poorly, just like we did Trump in 2020.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

      What a shock, the "moderate" promotes the Democrat again.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

        We expected nothing less.

      2. Moderation4ever   10 months ago

        Give me a Republican other than Donald Trump. I liked Nicki Halley what was wrong with her? I did not much care for Ron DeSantis but I thought he was at least competent, what was wrong with him.

        1. R Mac   10 months ago

          Parody.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

            Even the retard part?

            1. R Mac   10 months ago

              The extreme retardation is the tell. Nobody that retarded could use a computer.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

          I liked Nicki Halley what was wrong with her?

          Besides being a flak for the security state with no actual principles?

          I did not much care for Ron DeSantis but I thought he was at least competent, what was wrong with him.

          Why would GOP voters go for New Trump when Trump Classic was still available?

          Anyway, your side would have had a shit fit if DeSantis was the nominee, because he had the temerity to resist the groomers at Disney.

          1. Moderation4ever   10 months ago

            To answer your question, New Trump would be competent Trump Classic was not.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

              GOP voters didn’t think he was incompetent. In fact, his representation of their socio-economic interests is why they suppoted him.

              Which actually matters in primary voting, if you weren’t too stupid to notice.

        3. Well Adjusted Biden Guy 6/11 Banana Republic   10 months ago

          Both of those alternatives have basically inserted their fingers into Dear Leader’s rectum while giving him a sweet reach around. The RP is so moribund that the only decent people left are a couple of Never Trumpers over at National Review and Chris Fucking Christie.

          Ponder that dilemma of shit. That’s how bad it’s gotten

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

            If you consider them "decent," it means they suck.

          2. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

            Fuck off and quit socking, Buttplug.

          3. R Mac   10 months ago

            Please keep your perverted fantasies to yourself.

    2. Mike Parsons   10 months ago

      "choice is between a new person "

      Choice is between a known person with atrocious policy positions who was fired by her own party in 2020, and despite that firing, is being installed against the will of the voters...

      And someone who has a track record of *checks notes* a great economy, great foreign policy, and not destroying he country despite claims he would. Oh also, who *actually* won overwhelming support from voters in his party, consistently.

    3. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   10 months ago

      Ya know, if I had bad luck with a temp from Kelly who Kelly had touted as the best ever, I kinda doubt I'd go back to Kelly the second time, especially when their temp turned out to be worse than the previous temp they'd convinced me to fire. If I had a choice, I'd choose a new third temp; but when the choice is another Kelly temp or the one I fired on their recommendation, bye bye Kelly.

    4. Bertram Guilfoyle   10 months ago

      In what way is Kamala Harris a "new person?"

      1. Moderation4ever   10 months ago

        Americans wanted someone other than Trump and Biden and she is that person.

        1. Mother's Lament   10 months ago

          Lol.
          She is someone other than Trump and Biden, but I'm not so sure on the "want".

    5. sarcasmic   10 months ago

      The new person is a former prosecutor who made a name for herself putting nonviolent people in prison. That’s not the kind of person any lover of liberty should want as the chief executive.

      1. creech   10 months ago

        How does GOP convey that to the minority communities that were most hit by her practice? Without, of course, her being able to claim she was "tough on crime" to other communities where that resonates well?

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

        ""putting nonviolent people in prison.""

        That’s what the left likes to do.

        The Lock Him Up crowd wants him imprisoned for lying on paperwork that no one paid attention to, and a mutual agreement for a hooker to keep her mouth shut.

      3. Moderation4ever   10 months ago

        How many politicians start their careers as prosecutors? It is a common route and there are a number in Congress. Fifty-one members of Congress have prosecutorial experience. Prosecutors go one to be Governors and judges. It a feature of our political system.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

          ""It a feature of our political system.""

          The feature that continues systemic racism.

  33. Use the Schwartz   10 months ago

    TFW you wrote a Harris hit piece last week, and now you have to write a Harris puff piece this week.

    Churnalism right? Thank Glob for AI.

  34. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

    She wants the destruction of Israel.

    She is turning her back on Israel. Why do I think that matters?
    The invasion of Kuwait by Iraq happened in part because Saddam got the impression that we would not intervene. Every enemy around Israel is hoping the world will not respond against them if they do a full out invasion. They are looking for cues.

    1. Rick James   10 months ago

      She couldn't point to Israel on a map.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   10 months ago

        Hamas will show her.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

        Is a map like a Venn diagram?

      3. Super Scary   10 months ago

        It's hard to distinguish between countries when you don't believe in borders.

    2. Minadin   10 months ago

      US comedian films interviews with Palestinians in the West Bank.

      "'Sympathy to deep admiration': Palestinians tell US comedian they love Hamas
      “There was not one person who didn’t like Hamas - not even - I didn’t meet one person who didn’t love Hamas.”"

      https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-811633

      He ended up losing much of his footage after being threatened with his own death and that of his crew, if he didn't delete it.

  35. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

    "CNN panel that doesn't really know what they're talking about but is using pop star Charli XCX's endorsement as a way to claim Harris has influence with Gen Z."

    Get off my lawn.

    1. mad.casual   10 months ago

      Who’s Charli and what happened to the previous XCIX revisions?

      Alternatively,

      If you're having girl problems I feel bad for you son. I've got XCIX problems and now keeping up with GenZ and Charli XCX makes XCXI.

      1. R Mac   10 months ago

        I looked her up. Moderately attractive but dresses like a complete slut. I’m not going to go so far as to listen to her music.

  36. JFree   10 months ago

    Apparently Netanyahu brings suitcases of dirty laundry to the US every time he comes here. Always sucking on the American teat.

    1. Super Scary   10 months ago

      Sounds like me going home for the weekend during college. He's just like me, fr fr

    2. Truthfulness   10 months ago

      We get it, you're an antisemite.

  37. Well Adjusted Biden Guy 6/11 Banana Republic   10 months ago

    Even After the Harris-Biden Substitution, the Presidential Race Still Sucks

    Mmm… before Harris became the nominee, the race was between a corpse and a geriatric rapist liar. Now it’s between a women who occasionally laughs too loud versus same rapist liar. I mean, the choice was clear that any decent person would vote against the rapist liar, but now the alternative is much better.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 months ago

      Nah, the alternative is a leftist swine. At least the "rapist liar" (who didn't actually rape anyone on the former, and isn't any different from any other politician on the latter) isn't a leftist swine. So that makes the "rapist liar" automatically better.

      1. Michael Ejercito   10 months ago

        Whom did this rapist rape?

        1. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

          Did he actually rape someone, or did he just jack off onto her while others raped her?

          1. Ajsloss   10 months ago

            He didn't feel bad about it after, so it doesn't count.

  38. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

    Random thought for the day: So I was watching "Judgment at Nuremberg" las night. Great film, really, actually willing to grapple with what was going on in Germany during the 1930s, to show Germans as sympathetic, and yet still condemn them for looking the other way.

    But at any rate, one thing it made me think of is this: The 6 million number. That was pretty well settled as the consensus number early in the 1950s. What bugs me is that the number has stayed at 6 million for about 70 years now, no revisions, neither up nor down.

    If you look at any historical material written about World War II battles from back in the 50s or 60s, their casualty estimates were typically incorrect. When more sources were incorporated and plenty of records cross-checked, casualty figures changed as more modern histories were written. Some of this is because we got access to more German records after the unification of East and West Germany, some of it is the gradual declassification of records from Allied countries, and some of it is because records were digitized, making cross-checking references a lot easier. For instance, with digital materials, you can eventually pull up the service record for every soldier who was assigned to a particular division or regiment when it was involved in a battle, and check and see if they are listed as active prior to the battle, and if they are listed as wounded or deceased after the battle. Doing that with paper records is extremely onerous.

    But when it comes to the Holocaust, that number has not been revised upward or down in basically 70 years. It's not 5.8 million, nor is it 6.4 million. To some degree it's always going to be an estimate. People intentionally falsified paperwork to hide from the crackdowns and sweeps, there's just not sufficient records of every person who was living, etc. Still, when you see a number like remain static, it's indicating that it's becoming dogma, with nobody able to challenge.

    I've been poking around idly, trying to find the historiography behind the 6 million number, and what specific records were used, and how those death tolls were correlated. The internet really doesn't want you to investigate this question too much because Holocaust denial is an actual crime in some countries, and is considered hateful and distasteful even in the US. But I'd like it if I could actually probe the question a bit, you know. There's a lot of unknown victims of the Holocaust because entire families were exterminated, with nobody who survived to remember their names. It doesn't mean they didn't exist, there plenty of bodies found that could never have been identified. But I'd like to search for the number of identified, named victims of the Holocaust, to see what that number is. It isn't an easy number to find.

    1. Ajsloss   10 months ago

      What bugs me is that the number has stayed at 6 million for about 70 years now, no revisions, neither up nor down.

      Misek has adjusted it down to zero.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

        Refuted!

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

        Refuted!

    2. Moonrocks   10 months ago

      It’s not 5.8 million, nor is it 6.4 million

      I'm not a scholar on the subject, so I may be wrong, but my understanding is that there are a number of estimates that are 5.X or 6.X million and that the 6 million number sticks because it's stickier than, say, 5.84 million. If I remember correctly after all these years, the number in my middle school history textbook was 5.X million Jews and another 5.X million others.

      1. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

        That's fair, I guess. I just would like it to be easier to find those estimates. The internet doesn't want you to read, "Actually, historian X pegged the number a 5.78 million, while historian Y estimated 6.15 million." It's upsettingly difficult to do an internet search that gives you a look behind the curtain at the sources and methodologies of counting the dead. It would be nice if the guiding principle was truth and transparency instead of trying to push a consensus.

        Quibbling over the exact number shouldn't be considered heretical to someone actually interested in the history of the Holocaust.

        1. Don't look at me!   10 months ago

          Maybe go to the library and open actual books, instead of depending on the internet.

          1. Moonrocks   10 months ago

            Libraries aren't safe from "updated" books. For example, every library has a dictionary, and the definition of "preference" in that dictionary will depend on whether it was printed before or after 2020.

          2. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

            Maybe the extent of my curiosity is something I’m willing to look into for a few minutes to an hour, and not a whole day or multiple days. Yes, 6 million is the casual answer but it shouldn’t be strange to want to scratch beneath that surface a little bit.

        2. mad.casual   10 months ago

          Quibbling over the exact number shouldn’t be considered heretical to someone actually interested in the history of the Holocaust.

          Fun fact(oid): If you take Kinsey’s numbers published fairly contemporaneously with WWII, either the Germans were, somehow, (conservatively) an order of magnitude less homosexual than Kinsey’s population or, despite the targeting, homosexuals were under-represented among the victims (even in the higher estimates) by almost an order of magnitude (or, obviously, a combination of the two).

          Meaning homosexuals were actually among the least-targeted and/or persecuted people by the Nazis and The Holocaust could be pretty accurately said to have been perpetrated to wipe out the Freemasons more earnestly than the homosexuals.

          1. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

            Well they didn’t make homosexuals wear anything special. Since homosexuality is only identified by behavior, it makes sense they’d have some success in hiding.

        3. Moonrocks   10 months ago

          It’s upsettingly difficult to do an internet search

          It would be interesting to compare the difficulty today with 10 or 20 years ago.

      2. mad.casual   10 months ago

        If I remember correctly after all these years, the number in my middle school history textbook was 5.X million Jews and another 5.X million others.

        This is more representative of my memory of the factoid. Not that it was 6.00 million Jews, but that it was ~12-15 million, the majority being Jews with political dissidents Communists/Soviets being a modestly close second.

    3. Incunabulum   10 months ago

      > What bugs me is that the number has stayed at 6 million for about 70 years now, no revisions, neither up nor down.

      That number has been disputed, widely. But consider that the Germans are excellent record keepers and this was industrial murder - it wouldn't be surprising that the number is accurate to a few tens of thousands.

      1. A Thinking Mind   10 months ago

        That’s actually bullshit. The German records from World War II, and concerning the Holocaust specifically, are notoriously sparse. People are still finding problems with, for instance, German reports on Stalingrad, even down to what day entire divisions took part in the fighting. It’s true in the Desert Campaign as well, so it’s not specific to the Eastern Front.

        The Nazis were central planners. Central planners are horrible at keeping records accurately by pure definition. If you want people who keep good records, look to banks and retailers, not government.

  39. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   10 months ago

    Thought that Joe Biden was bad? Think again; The Authoritarian Defender of Democracy candidate Kamala Harris is much worse.

    Look at her record as a prosecutor, her record in the senate, and look at the invisible role of her as VP.

  40. VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)   10 months ago

    What does Kamala Harris want? More WaPo sycophants swooning over her?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/power/2024/07/22/kamala-harris-brett-kavanaugh/

    Those words?

    “Can you think of any laws that give the government the power to make decisions about the male body?”

    So smart, you see? She's the bestest, most smartest, 'cause she made a snitty at Kavanaugh, and everyone knows he's evil.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   10 months ago

      I think the word you wanted was "goodest", not "bestest".

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 months ago

        Double-plus-test good

    2. Jefferson Paul   10 months ago

      I would have replied, "Yes. The selective service law that requires all males to register for Selective Service to be drafted to fight in a war, if the WOMEN and men in Congress decide to invoke it."

      1. Jefferson Paul   10 months ago

        To be clear, I'm not in favor of the draft, for men or women. If we are under legitimate attack, and people don't volunteer to serve, then we fall as a nation. To forcibly conscript anyone to fight and possibly die is one of the strongest violations of the NAP, on par with slavery in my opinion.

        (Disclaimer: I voluntarily enlisted in the Army years ago. I'm not at all against military service. I just despise forced military service. Even if you feel it's a necessary thing when we are truly under serious, legitimate, existential threat, what's to stop the politicians in DC from abusing that power and instituting the draft for forever wars that don't meet that threshold?)

  41. Incunabulum   10 months ago

    Power.

    And for her father to come back from the store.

  42. Dillinger   10 months ago

    >>The sad reality is that, right now, Harris is pretty much only hype, no substance.

    send in the clown.

  43. jagjr   10 months ago

    "Their views, I think, would fit well with a Bill Clinton or [Barack] Obama presidency. They are straight-arrow, traditional foreign policy folks."

    & contemplate for a moment how many conflicts with absolutely no vital national interests at stake those two knuckleheads got us involved in, invoking reasons as incoherent, inconsistent, or irrelevant as nation building, maintaining the peace, morality, justice, or even simply Clinton's need to distract from domestic, er ..., pecker-dilos.

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