The Defiant Trump Image That Made Critics Join the Cult
How a single photograph transformed Trump into a mythical leader for some critics and supporters alike.

It's quite a striking image, I admit, though I've already seen it enough times. Still, I find the response to it puzzling and disturbing. Writer Philippe Lemoine posted on X that he would be "judging people based on their ability or inability to put aside their opinion about Trump and acknowledge that this picture goes extremely hard." Even people who have a sophisticated approach to interpreting images and generally a realistic view of politics—for example The New York Times columnist Ross Douthat and (for heaven's sake) The Guardian art critic Jonathan Jones—have been deeply moved and deeply impressed by Associated Press photographer Evan Vucci's shot of a bloodied and defiant Donald Trump from below. Way too deeply moved and impressed, I'm thinking.
The political power of images is—or ought to be—proverbial. Almost all politicians attend consciously to the images that depict them and understand that they have political effects. Many still shots of Biden looking bewildered or blank have been devastating for his campaign, the effect multiplied now through endless social media posts. This sort of image interpretation, alteration, and reproduction is the basic purpose of Instagram, for example, and Vucci's photo might already be approximately the most reproduced thing in the history of the world.
The power of images can be used to inspire and uplift, or to obscure the truth and encourage people to oppress themselves. Often, the goal is both of these at once. If that photo sends you into a mystical ecstasy, if it seduces you toward some kind of worship of Donald Trump, it is having bad effects. Were we searching for a word, we might just call this approach to images "idolatry."
Political idolatry is a problem. On the other hand, I wouldn't blame the worshiped image, which just sits there, really. I wouldn't blame the photographer either, who did his job, showing what happened from the angle he had. It's the worshiper who's responsible.
Admittedly, the line between religion and politics has worn thin. But when people are literally worshiping images of a leader, or are engaged in political idolatry, oppression and war are predictable corollaries.
"People like to think they are rational and in control," says Steven Hassan, renowned cult expert and the author of The Cult of Trump, "but the lessons of history and social psychology demonstrate, time and again, that simply isn't so. We go about our days, and our lives, using unconscious mental models. When cult leaders manipulate those models, in subtle and overt ways, we can be persuaded to believe and do things we might never have considered without such systematic psychological influence."
I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't read it, but Jones' July 15 article about the image starts by making clear that Jones (still?) disagrees with Trump's positions and doesn't want the man to be president. But he can no longer resist the cult, it appears. "[Trump] uses the rhetoric of struggle and division he always has," writes Jones, "but with a new urgency as he calls on America to fight in his name, over his body. And he has instantly thought out how to communicate this visually." He's attributing a sort of intuitive image-making genius here, and we can begin to feel Jones' own visual seduction in process.
The heart of this picture's meaning can be summed up in one word: blood. And the connotations of that go deeper than politics or patriotism. Christian supporters of Trump won't be slow to see his survival as mystical. And they will be right, at least from the perspective of art history. Whatever else this scene may be, it is, at the iconographic level, religious. It is almost literally a resurrection. Trump has risen up from below the podium where he'd hidden, as if he were Christ rising from the tomb. In great paintings of that central Christian moment, such as Matthias Grünewald's spooky, perturbing vision of a triumphant Jesus in the Isenheim altarpiece, there is blood. Grünewald's risen Christ shows the bloody spear wound in his side, the bloody nail holes in his hands, just as in this picture we can see Trump's gory ear and the crimson blood on his cheek.
Trump truly appears to be giving his blood here, a sacrifice for America. Like Jesus, he survives the sacrifice and rises again.
This strikes me as astonishing, as directly expressing the beginnings of a cult to which Jones enthusiastically, or perhaps involuntarily, submits himself. "Yet it actually happened. It is happening." "Look at the blood," demands Jones. "It's real blood caused by a real bullet that shaved a real man's ear. That man really raises his fist in defiance in a mystically patriotic instant myth of resurrection." He finishes by predicting that Trump will win the 2024 election—he should have finished by claiming that the religion of Trump will persist for millennia. "Yet it actually happened!"
The cult is apparently making inroads even at the opinion section of The New York Times, where Ross Douthat gives us these remarkable sentences.
I feel comfortable making one sweeping statement about the moments when Trump shifted his head fractionally and literally dodged a bullet, fell bleeding and then rose with his fist raised in an iconic image of defiance. The scene on Saturday night in Pennsylvania was the ultimate confirmation of his status as a man of destiny, a character out of Hegel or Thomas Carlyle or some other verbose 19th-century philosopher of history, a figure touched by the gods of fortune in a way that transcends the normal rules of politics.
In Hegel's work, the great man of history is understood as a figure "whose own particular aims involve those large issues which are the will of the World Spirit." Hegel's paradigm was Napoleon, the Corsican adventurer whose quest for personal power and military glory spread the ideas of the French Revolution, shattered the old regimes of Europe and ushered in the modern age.
For people who oppose Trump to be saying things like this is quite striking. One thing the Times and The Guardian are comfortable saying, evidently, is that Donald Trump is a man of destiny, a great man, "mystical," a figure touched by the gods.
Perhaps the Times and The Guardian (and CNN and many others) shouldn't have tried to inflate Trump into an Adolf Hitler and a Satan all these years. They were making ready the abyssal cult into which they've now tumbled. What I want to say is that really (really) that thing is just a picture. Trump conducted himself courageously, and Vucci got the angle. Admirable, but it has no tendency to show that Trump is divine, the Chosen One, or whatever Jonathan Jones and Ross Douthat now take him to be.
Authoritarian leaders use images to try to produce a cult of themselves, as Saddam Hussein loomed over Baghdad or Ferdinand Marcos over Manila or Mao Zedong over Beijing. But they usually have to force the critics and polemicists to buy in by threatening their families or something else dear to them. Here, the idolaters are volunteers.
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To be fair, both Biden's AND Trump's ears have had to endure violent rhetoric.
To be fair you are equating them not sure if it is an attempt to discount the assassination but Dems have taken the cake on more of the bad rhetoric. And days after it os continuing.
Just don't get me killed new guy.
Jesus fucking Christ. Don't you think there are rational reasons people might also be impressed by a guy who took a literal bullet, only to raise his fist defiantly, standing up, looking unafraid, encouraging people to keep fighting? I don't think there's divine providence, I don't think it suddenly makes Donald Trump's political positions any better, but it DID give me more respect for him.
People who like Trump are not all part of a cult.
People who like Trump are not all part of a cult.
People who don't like Trump, on the other hand...
I do believe there are some people who are drawn into political positions with cultish devotion, with a lot of cult-like trappings. It does happen on both sides. But writing every Trump fan off as a cultist is delusionally missing exactly what makes Trump work for rational people. It's the same mistake the media made 8 years ago, pretending that there's no rational reason any sane human could ever vote for him. I thought we were well fucking past this.
Writing Trump voters off as a cult is the classic example of political projection.
Remember the adulation of Obama? Remember the thrill running up a reporter's leg? Remember the massive inauguration parties? Remember the uncritical media all self adulating for the historic win of a black man? It was creepy as fuck, and slightly more skeptical people called it out as cult like.
So, now the act blue bots call anyone who votes Trump a cultist. It is the talking point, which gets repeated by the 50 cent army.
It's a common propaganda tactic. Remember when Bush ran on returning some normalcy to the White House? Clinton was a liar. He lied publicly, got caught, argued about what the meaning of is is, was notorious for floating trial balloons via anonymous leaker then walking them back when they didn't go over.
The talking point was "Bush was a liar" because Clinton was a liar. They kept up with "Bush lied" over and over, looking for ways to back fill it until they could somehow apply it. It started well before Iraq and continued well after, it had nothing to do with WMDs, it was projection and they started it early on and then repeated it until people forgot it was Clinton who did not have sexual relations with that woman.
Crispin Sartwell is a fucking clown. Anyone that gullible to the most basic of political rhetoric has no business being published in a libertarian magazine.
There were some cultish trappings in the praise of Obama, certainly. I see far more cultish behavior in the Critical Race Theory schools, where people start with an assumption and then couch everything through that lens, ignoring all other analysis or contractors evidence. I see the same thing in the gender ideology adherents who don’t want more studies, just blind affirmation of identity in the face of logic. Those are the main cults I see.
There are some people out where I live who have weird obsessions with Trump. Even before the shooting I would see vehicles that have huge decals of Trumps’s face on their doors or hood. It’s weird to me to give such adulation to a political figure, or to want a Trump-autographed version of the Bible. But I don’t view these people as representative, not even of the extremes of Trump voters. They are the very fringe of outliers, in my opinion. Trump has actual mainstream appeal, not mere cultish trappings.
"I see far more cultish behavior in the Critical Race Theory schools, where people start with an assumption and then couch everything through that lens, ignoring all other analysis or contractors evidence. I see the same thing in the gender ideology adherents who don’t want more studies"
The CRT cults and tranny gender cult are probably the most obvious examples. But then again, they are just the most prominent extensions of the left wing cult of marx that is the result of modern academia
"Remember the adulation of Obama?"
Ya, I often think back to his last press conference with the entire press core.
He was so easy breezy, having a good time, basically taking a victory lap with his biggest fans there to blow smoke up his ass. It truly was sickening to watch just how cultish the press (and due to that, a majority of the populace) were to him.
I can't find it with a quick search, but I remember a video before his first election with some elated voter saying "We're not going to have to worry about our rent anymore, we're not going to have to worry about our phone bill" etc.
I also remember earlier in that year, when the primaries were starting, when NPR was completely ignoring Rs and acting like Ds had a lock. They were completely beside themselves because it would be a "historic" election, what with the winner being a big first. One was almost a woman, the other was almost black.
Anyway, people pointed out the cult-like adulation of Obama, because it's politics and we're mean that way. So... Trump is a cult! Even though most of us literally voted for "anyone but Hillary" 8 years ago.
Heck, the press practically spent 8 years performing the print/digital equivalent of anilingus on Obama. "Never Trump" was just the flip side of the hit single.
And the band cashed in bigtime. I wonder whether, with victory all but out of reach, they are calculating just how much revenue a 4-year repeat will generate.
After all, as Lily Tomlin said it so perfectly, "No matter how cynical you get, it's hard to keep up!"
The media (I refuse to call them the press anymore) needs to go. They are just illegal campaign speech under FEC laws. They should also be prosecuted under RICO where appropriate.
So you want the government to prosecute the media. Huh. What would you have in its place? State-run media?
Oh I dunno...... An actual free-market media?
Pretty sure after all those Gov-Mandate memo's came out State-run media is what we've already got.
^THIS
"Writing Trump voters off as a cult is the classic example of political projection."
From the believers of [WE] identify-as mob RULES (i.e. democracy) side.
It's actually clear as day exactly that.
It’s not like the press was putting a literal halo around Obamas head for 8 years.
I won't be voting for him. I still think that photo is one of the most iconic USA photo this century (9-11, GWB bullhorn, in running) and it was inspiring and awe-some to witness. And I can see people changing their mind on Trump, not because they're rubes but because it was also juxtaposed against Biden's debate. A big issue is the age and vivacity of the candidates; Trump succeeded while Biden failed that test.
Same here, I’m a Never Again Trumper but I have a lot of friends who like him, and I can respect the tenacity of someone who nearly took a bullet, shaking his fist and telling his people to keep fighting. Normal people respect that and some of them might even switch their votes because of that.
This strikes me as astonishing, as directly expressing the beginnings of a cult to which Jones enthusiastically, or perhaps involuntarily, submits himself.
He's writing a fucking artistic critique of the photograph, for heavens' sake. He's not experiencing a religious epiphany. He's just recognizing that the imagery is extremely powerful.
He's writing about it to condemn it. He's not critiquing the photo, he's critiquing Trump and anyone who thinks Trump did something unusual.
Here's a huge difference between Trump and Obama and Biden. Obama campaigned relentlessly on shutting down Gitmo. First day in office, he made a little noise, Congress critters made more noise, he dropped the subject like a hot potato. Guess all that campaign speech was just fluff. And then he pulls his "phone and pen" crap to do other stuff Congress explicitly told him not to do, Constitution be damned.
Trump campaigned relentlessly on building a border wall, even claimed he would make Mexico pay for it. He kept on trying, and every time the courts or Congress blocked him, he obeyed their laws and he tried something else, relentlessly.
Biden campaigned on who remembers what, he certainly doesn't. Everyone around him said it was unconstitutional to shift $400B of student debt to taxpayers, Biden said it himself, and instead of trying to find some other legal way to do it, he plowed ahead with the known illegal ways. Then he tried a different known illegal way.
Which ones walked their own talk? Trump.
Which ones acted above the law? Not Trump.
So OF COURSE people reacted to his actions. He's just about the most honest politician we have nowadays. He's stupid, an economic doofus, but he can walk down stairs without his wife leading him like a toddler, and his instinct on getting shot is to fight back. OF COURSE people want someone like that.
Trump campaigned relentlessly on building a border wall, even claimed he would make Mexico pay for it. He kept on trying, and every time the courts or Congress blocked him, he obeyed their laws and he tried something else, relentlessly.
Reality: Trump asked Congress for money to build a wall, Congress said no. So Trump declared a fake "National Emergency" to circumvent Congress and build the wall anyway using military funds.
https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/15/trump-announces-national-emergency-us-mexico-border/
IOW....He kept on trying, and every time the courts or Congress blocked him, he obeyed their laws and he tried something else, relentlessly
He skirted the law. Congress told him no, so he found a loophole to try to evade Congress. Even if you think that is technically legal, you can't really say that is the mark of someone with respect for obeying the law.
Which is, by the way, the exact same type of thing Biden is doing with student loan forgiveness. He tried this mass forgiveness plan, was told no by SCOTUS because it's not what Congress intended, and now he is trying to find loopholes to evade Congress to accomplish the same goal.
No. Biden said himself the $400B deal was unconstitutional. Not a loophole. If you don't know the difference ... never mind, you don't.
Do you understand that there have been several different Biden student loan forgiveness plans?
The first one, the $400 billion one that you mention, that one was based on an incorrect reading of the HEROES Act, and that one was struck down by Congress.
But after that, he's pursued many different, smaller student loan forgiveness plans.
There is the one based on the Higher Education Act, supposed to affect 30 million borrowers.
There is the one called SAVE program, which restructures the income-based repayment plan to basically make a lot of loans forgiven.
There is the new Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF) plan, which tries to forgive loans for public employees.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/what-to-know-about-the-latest-student-loan-forgiveness-plans.html
He's doing all of these little plans because the big plan was struck down. He's trying to find a way around his initial setback. That's the loophole.
Do you understand the difference between Biden knowing he was violating the Constitution and Trump knowing he was using legal loopholes?
Lying Jeffy understands just fine, but he's going to continue to pretend otherwise.
I don't recall where Biden himself said that his own plan was unconstitutional. Do you have a citation for that? I mean, he very well might have, I just don't recall that.
I just don’t recall that.
How convenient.
Biden said he couldn't do it. Pelosi agreed when he said he couldn't do it. But then he did it.
Hey Fatfuck, securing the border is actually one of the responsibilities of the president under the constitution. Loan forgiveness is not.
But I get it, you’re a Marxist who makes it up as he goes along.
securing the border is actually one of the responsibilities of the president under the constitution.
You mean, as commander-in-chief? I suppose that tracks, if you think of the migrants as equivalent to a military invasion. Which is entirely par for the course for a MAGA-addled brain such as yours.
It doesn’t ‘supposedly’ track, it’s a fact. And it doesn’t have to have a goddamned ditching to do with seeing illegals (not migrants, stop with your lies) as a military invasion.
We are a sovereign nation, with sovereign borders. Don’t like it? GTFO.
Yes yes, a penniless Guatemalan carrying a baby is exactly the same as a trained soldier carrying a rifle.
Not even your other whackjob pals are calling their migration a MILITARY invasion, dumbass.
And what's wrong with calling them migrants? Is that too dignifying for them?
To call the migrants "invaders" is just another way to dismiss them. It is to strip away what's left of their humanity. Because if a real invading soldier were to actually set foot on American soil, no one in their right mind would try to figure out the soldier's motives or understand the plight of the soldier's family back home or make arguments on behalf of freedom of association. No, you'd just shoot the soldier. Because he's an enemy, an invader. That's how you would like the rest of us to treat migrants crossing the border. They're not really people, they are agents of an enemy power who should be shot in order to defend the homeland.
Democrats did it first and worse, so that makes it ok.
And you of course did it zeroeth and continue doing it badly.
You scored some points with that zinger! Dlam, Big Mac, Jesse the Retard and the guy who’s mother laments the day he was conceived will all agree. Question is how many. Ten? Fifty? Maybe when they’re done swooning they’ll say. But man, those are the guys you want to impress and you impressed them with that one! Zappo!
5 jeff head pats for you!
Sarc is saving up to get a U-Haul so they can go on that fishing trip at the half-million dollar house Jeff promised.
Hey guys! I was first on the list!
*thumbs nose *
I didn’t get a mention at all. Probably because he’s frightened of me after he threatened to kick my ass. He pretty much cowers when I come after him. Worthless drunken pussy that he is.
National emergency isn't looking so fake anymore. Definitely not to Laken Riley
Which ones acted above the law? Not Trump.
Mike Pence might disagree on this point, particularly as it pertains to Jan. 6.
What law did he break? Show me a conviction that isn't a kangaroo court. Then look at how many Biden cases made it to the Supreme Court and lost.
Trump tried to convince Pence to violate the Electoral Count Act, and the Constitution (12th amendment).
Oooh, he tried to convince someone to do something which some opponents claim is illegal.
No conviction, in other words.
Even Trump's own lawyer, Eastman, said that it would be illegal, and that if it went to SCOTUS, it would be struck down 9-0. But they both advocated that Pence do it anyway.
But your standard here seems to have changed. First it was "He’s just about the most honest politician we have nowadays." And now it is "well, he wasn't convicted of a crime..." Trying to convince someone to break the law, when your own advisors are telling you it's illegal, is not the mark of an honest politician.
You seem to think other politicians are more honest and transparent. Or else you don't understand what "most" means.
Prove something. Name any other President who was so transparent about what he wanted to do and what he did.
You can't. You'll just change the subject again.
Oh I think he is completely transparent about what he wants to do. He will do whatever he thinks will earn him the most praise and adulation from the crowd, and will flatter his huge ego.
That is why he was willing to tell Pence to break the law. Because his ego could not accept losing the election, and he would do virtually anything to try to stop it. Well, almost - he was willing to tell *other people* to do virtually anything. *He* wasn't going to do it himself.
Why don't we ask our commenters here who have declared that they are now Trump voters because of the events of Saturday, why they made that choice.
I would then ask you why you once said that Trump could have the same libertarian positions as Mises and you would never vote for him. Maybe you also lack objectivity.
Well, I never claimed to be some sort of Vulcan. But my reasons for not voting for Trump are sound. It is because when we vote, we are not voting for an abstract set of policy proposals, we are voting for an individual person, and if that person wins, that person will be invested with a great deal of power. Inevitably, that person will be called upon to make decisions on matters that could not have been foreseen (ex: a global pandemic in 2020, that voters in 2016 could not have reasonably predicted). And the only way that we can have some assurance if our leaders will make wise decisions on these unknown, unforeseeable events is to judge the person’s character. In this way, we can start to learn if that person has the capacity to make wise decisions. And, Trump’s character is completely abysmal. He very frequently does not make sound decisions because he has no solid principles at all. He makes decisions based on whatever flatters him and whoever influenced him most recently.
Why did Trump ban bump stocks? Because it made him look like a “good guy” in the wake of the Las Vegas mass shooting.
Why did Trump bust the budget with COVID stimulus? Because it made him look like a “good guy” when his name was on all of the stimulus checks.
And, most disturbingly, Trump will not let go his grievances about the 2020 election – because he lost. He went way too far with it, even going so far as to try to convince Mike Pence to violate the constitution and the law to install him as president. Evidently, Trump's ego is bigger than the Constitution.
This is the sign of a man who has no principles and only does what he thinks is best for himself. I don’t want that kind of person anywhere near the levers of power.
He very frequently does not make sound decisions because he has no solid principles at all. He makes decisions based on whatever flatters him and whoever influenced him most recently.
I somewhat agree. My problem with Trump is that his lack of principles makes him totally unpredictable. The only thing he can be counted on is doing what is best for him.
He did do some good things. He cut regulations. He didn't start any new wars. He appointed some good justices. But these were not principled moves. They were what he thought was best for his own personal interests at the time. That means he can't be counted on to continue that same path, because his personal interests may change.
They were what he thought was best for his own personal interests at the time.
How are you able to access what he was thinking at the time?
I am making an inference based on observed patterns of behavior.
Would it make you feel better if I had said "It is my hypothesis that..."?
No, it wouldn't. He's just scoring points with the trolls.
He only does what is good for him. That means whatever he did was what he thought was best for him.
I don't know what he actually thinks is best for himself. And that's why I can't trust him. If he had principles other than "What's best for Trump?" then that would make him somewhat predictable because you could kind of guess based upon those principles. But he doesn't. That makes him utterly unpredictable. And when it comes to positions of power, unpredictability is dangerous.
You think whatever leftist media tells you to think. Note lack of actual examples or statements.
Only 3 jeff head pats this time.
He only does what is good for him
*spits out my coffee*
I love how you and Jeff wrap your entire argument around your own biases and bald assertions and think you're intelligent for doing so.
7 jeff head pats for you!
I don’t think it suddenly makes Donald Trump’s political positions any better, but it DID give me more respect for him.
That’s about where I’m at as well.
People who like Trump are not all part of a cult.
Of course not. Just like not everyone who liked Obama was a cultist.
The cultists were easily identified by them reacting to any criticism of the guy or his policies with accusations of racism, just as Trump cultists are easily identified by their constant accusations of TDS.
Two sides of the same cult-of-personality coin.
You don't even have to like Trump at all to realize the country was and will be a lot better off with him at the helm than the current collectivist cabal manupulating a puppet figure.
You're right, though, that is indeed, one holy heck of an image. And one can't but be impressed at the contrast with Biden, who can't step up or down a step without physical guidance, stumbling, or both.
I didn't vote either D or R in 2016, finding both candidates unpalatable. But after D-led sedition efforts involving elected D-representatives, three-letter agencies and the mainstream media, and with ranked choice voting newly instituted here in Maine, in 2020 I painstakingly ranked every choice, including the addition of write-in candidates, to pur every single Republican running in the #1 slot and every single Democrat dead last. That was the first time I ever voted for a Republican presidential candidate (and I turned 18 in 1976). But it is not the last.
I think the left is relieved about how the assassination attempt went down. Think about it… imagine a worse scenario and the bullet had not just nicked Trump’s ear, but hit him in the head, possibly leaving him comatose or even brain dead– Democrats would have a really hard time deciding whether to stick with Biden or not in November.
Yep. A dead R or an imbecilic D. That's a tough choice. /s
I trust Mr. Sartwell was as concerned about cult figures when political columnists were gushing over Obama's alleged fitness for office because they fell in love with the crease in his trousers.
He got a Nobel prize for that!
"we are the ones we are waiting for"
"we are going to heal the oceans" lol wtf
Are the man made global warming cult? Or the covid vaccine/mask cult. It wasn't the Repubs that wanted people to die if the didn't get the vacc.
You like a Republicatian you are a cult member. You like a democrat you are fine.
I suppose every movement, cause, religion from time immemorial has had powerful totems to follow and venerate. Images move people - photos of the Kent State shooting, or WWII VJ Day kiss, or fire fighters in the rubble on the World Trade towers. Jefferson's portrait looks down on me as I type this; I've seen Kennedy photos, next to Jesus on the Cross, in Irish homes recently. Obama gazes out in many homes along with MLK, Jr. The G.A.R. waved "bloody shirts" and the despicable Nazis waved their "blood flag."
Lol. "The cult." Fuck off.
It's dehumanizing, as intended.
Political violence is perfectly ok from the left, but if the right even mentions retaliation, we are the violent ones.
Always remember - J6 was worse than 9/11;
but J-13 'tis but a scratch or should've been a kill shot or now is a cult symbol.
It’s dehumanizing, as intended.
Oh boo hoo. I guess dehumanizing rhetoric is only bad when it's used against your team.
Dehumanizing rhetoric is ONLY used against the right.
This is just the latest example.
Dehumanizing rhetoric is ONLY used against the right.
Is that so.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-says-trump-echoed-nazis-with-use-word-vermin-2023-11-15/
You still somehow think that saying that communists and Nazis are vermin, is a bad thing.
It really makes you nervous, doesn't it.
Fine. I'll give jeff the link yet again. The left calling conservatives rats for far longer.
Weird he keeps missing this link.
https://twitter.com/0rf/status/1732746683274932259
Nonononononono, Jesse.
That's (D)ifferent.
Or fake because they haven't seen the medical records
Admirable, but it has no tendency to show that Trump is divine, the Chosen One, or whatever Jonathan Jones and Ross Douthat now take him to be.
Or you're taking them entirely too literally. When we're talking about mythical historic figures, we can do that without ascribing any actual divinity to them. Putting Hegel aside, Napoleon had some legendary moments which defied probability in order to create his myth.
For example, the moment Napoleon opened his shirt in front of Marshal Ney's army and shouted, "If there is any man among you who would kill his Emperor, here I stand!" that's the sort of moment you wouldn't write into a fictional book. It defies belief, especially when you consider that the entire army then defected over to his side at that moment. It's both legendary and true; stranger than fiction, we call it.
Recognizing that what happened on July 13 is another of those legendary, iconic, stranger-than-fiction moments doesn't mean I believe we're living in a world controlled by destiny or magic.
Did you write the same stupid crap about Obama's Hope poster?
Did you write the same stupid crap about Bush Jr's Mission Accomplished banner?
Did you write the same stupid crap about Clinton's saxophone gig on late night TV?
Stop writing stupid crap.
What's Al Gore's airbrushed penis on the cover of Rolling Stone, chopped liver?
I was out of the country for that election. What?
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001TR66O2/reasonmagazinea-20/
Wow, that's not even decent Photoshop - It's like an intern just discovered the exposure adjustment brush and hasn't yet learned about adjustment layers or the Multiply blending option.
Benefits of age. When you're old enough to remember media horseshit before most of the barely legal writing team at Reason were even born.
I was living in Europe - it wasn't covered. First I heard of it.
Trump as a Messiah figure? Barf.
Now Barry on the other hand...
Barack Obama Depicted As Jesus
You’re lucky your soy-boy assassin didn’t succeed, jeffy.
That would be the worst thing to ever happen to the democrats. It would be the literal end to so many of them.
lol "IT"S A CULT!" says the guy who voted for a dementia patient surrounded by trannies.
That could describe many Roman emperors and Ptolemaic pharaohs.
Elagabalus and Nero for sure, who else? Not disputing, was just thinking about who.
Augustus would have had them all stoned to death in the forum.
I find the response to [a striking image] puzzling and disturbing...Even people who have a sophisticated approach to interpreting images and generally a realistic view of politics...have been deeply moved and deeply impressed...Way too deeply moved and impressed, I'm thinking...They were making ready the abyssal cult into which they've now tumbled.
I am rational and in control enough to admit I could be convinced otherwise, but for an alleged anarchist and advocate of individual rights, Sartwell comes across as a smug prick.
Hooooweee, Joe Scarborough is PISSED that he got taken off the air in the wake of the Trump assassination.
Threatened to quit over it.
Now there's an empty threat if I ever heard one.
Another iconic moment for Joe. Hope somebody got a screenshot.
He mumbled it on air... he was on a long rant about how unfair it all was, then said something about 'next time if they cancel us I'll still be sitting in the chair... or they can find someone else to host this show."
If he quits, that means retirement. No one else will pay him anywhere close to what MSNBC does. Not with his dismal ratings. And he’s way too arrogant to accept a pay cut. And that stupid bitch he’s married to isn’t getting anything significant on her own either.
Taylor Swift's fans. Now there's a fucking cult.
There's something we can all agree on.
I took it the opposite way. Dear Leader is getting shot at, nobody knows where the shooter is or if the bullets keep flying and there he is: preening for the camera like a fucking idiot. He was basically endangering people for a photo-op.
My wife made me watch the convention last night where Dear Leader came in. He looked freaked. Reagan was never the same after Hinckley. We should probably be watching him for any signs of PTSD. We don’t want some nut case firing off nukes because he’s having a flashback.
Another TDS victim telling the rest of us how/what Trump thinks.
Where’d I do that? Are you another White guy who thinks Dear Leader is going to make your life better by harassing immigrants?
Correction - Another racist TDS victim.
"Well Adjusted" is fucking hilariously ironic.
It's probably Buttplug then.
That’s my thought. It’s too unpretentious to be Pedo Jeffy.
Trump likes immigrants. Illegals are another matter. But you keep spewing your lies. Not that anyone is fooled by your idiocy.
We know you're a fucking TDS-addled shit who posts drivel.
FOAD, asshole.
Over the weekend you told us he was wounded by pieces of teleprompter.
"nobody knows where the shooter is"
This is apparently untrue.
Including a Secret Service supervisor afraid to give the order to shoot.
And we don't want some dementia patient pressing the big red button on the nuclear football thinking it's the "Nurse Call" button.
The election is over if POTUS Biden stays on the ticket. By all means, stay in the race POTUS Biden. Run Joe Run! 🙂
His people are now trying to officially lock in the nomination ahead of the convention next month. A lot of democrats are not pleased.
Let’s hope they tear each other apart. Maybe even begin the implosion of the democrat party.
The picture is pretty undeniably iconic. And (depending on who you talk to) it’s not staged, which the best of these kinds of photographs aren’t. If you vote based on basedness, it should probably sway your choice at the polls.
I saw Lemoine’s tweet and assumed he was half-jesting, but one’s take on the photo would be a good way to judge level of objectivity. As for the snap itself, it’s that combination of luck and knowing how put yourself in position to be lucky that people who are able to capture moments on film so perfectly possess.
For the moment it depicts, the former president could have put himself and his protection detail at further risk but adrenaline will probably do that, so I’m not going to fault him. In the old days I imagine the physical makeup of agents would be such that they could immediately move their charge, regardless of size, whether he wanted it or not.
Thats the thing i noticed about this event.
Those SS agents I assume are trained not to think but to react according to well rehearsed planning ... to take their charge to safety no matter what. Secure the package is their only thought. Their only actions determined by constant drill.
But in this case these guys (and undersized gals) defer to him not once but twice!
He stops them for his shoes... and then as they are finally ushering him out he commands "wait, wait" so that he could give the sign that everything is okay... the one that resulted in that iconic pic.
And they stop... something about him , about his bearing and presence just makes them obey their commander - not their training. That is impressive.
Well, that's not entirely fair. I dont think I would call those gals 'undersized'. Just Short.
One of the things I noticed after the 100th time I saw the video of Trump being winged in the ear (I’m reluctant to say shot, because someone will undoubtedly accuse me of inflating the injury) and the SS began moving him off the stage, I was struck by how many photo-journalists with giant lenses were literally running around, snapping photos at every possible angle, continuously moving ducking to get low shots, trying to get a shot through the SS agents etc. And in this day and age with digital cameras, I can only imagine how many pictures were snapped to be able to pull this iconic photo out.
I’ll bet between the half dozen photo journalists I saw, there were 500 pictures snapped in that 30 seconds it took for the SS agents to cover him and pull him off the stage.
What so many miss is that before Trump stood up, the security detail had already been informed that the shooter was dead. So no, he wasn't seriously putting his security detail or himself at risk, and he realized that it was necessary to reassure the crowd to prevent panic that could have caused hundreds more casualties.
I don't know in that moment that I'd take anything the Secret Service said as gospel.
Stick it up your ass Crispin Sartwell. I suspect you are just sorry the dweeb missed:
On March 3, 2016, Sartwell was placed on leave from his faculty position at Dickinson College in response to posts on his blog in which he accused other philosophy professors of plagiarism.[9] According to Sartwell, the action is related to a video, embedded in the blog post, of Miranda Lambert singing "Time to Get a Gun."[
Lol. Nice find.
Dont be so harsh on the summer interns
Once again;
The *Onion* News Network… 16 yrs. ago.
You mindless zombies reluctantly and strategically voted for a walking corpse and you’re saying the *other* team is a cult?
You mindless zombies reluctantly and strategically voted for a walking corpse and you’re saying the *other* team is a cult?
I didn't realize how prophetic my old comments about El Cid were in 2019.
"They're literally propping him up on his horse and sending him into the battlefield... and it appears to be working..."
Then we were treated to 5 years of "Trump's Old! And so is Biden!"
Were we searching for a word, we might just call this approach to images "idolatry."
I think that is exactly the right word to describe the emotion that impels such a strong reaction. And in particular the timing of the two recent images of Prez candidates - of Biden looking blank and dead and befuddled at the debate and of Trump reacting fast and defiant during the shooting.
Yeah don't know about you but when I saw that blank stare I knew I was ridin with Biden.
There’s something “off” about many libertarians, they really seem puzzled by the behavior of normal humans.
It's autism spectrum disorders.
I mean when the guy from “The young Turks” says he’s proud of
the image, it kind of gives me hope.
Not that we’ll ever agree on much, but still.
What did Chunk say?
A lot of pointless drivel here. The photo is iconic not just for what was happening in the moment but also for what came before. Trump was speaking to some 20,000 supporters all whom were aware that the state has spent the last eight years trying to deny him a presidency that they rationally believe he deserves. Watching him take a bullet, immediately stand up and raise a fist was for them. The message, I'm still here and so are you. There's nothing mystical about it unless rare demonstrations of an indefatigable human spirit are. But the fist was not for you or a photographer's lucky shot, it was for them. Recognising the power of that moment is not cultish. You don't even have to like the guy. All of the handwringing won't change the fact that most people will find it a compelling photo. Just get over it and move on.
But people who like Trump are cultists and cult bad.
>>cult bad
see them live. cult good.
>>Way too deeply moved and impressed, I'm thinking.
ya, there's a reason you're thinking what you're thinking and normal Americans are all fuck yeah dude took a bullet & stood up all Sgt. Rock at whoever was taking shots
>>CRISPIN SARTWELL teaches philosophy
^^ possibly the reason.
I guess the regular crew didn't want to be associated with the latest round of orangemanbad, so they brought in ringers.
"Many still shots of Biden looking bewildered or blank have been devastating for his campaign, the effect multiplied now through endless social media posts. This sort of image interpretation, alteration, and reproduction "
This guy still buys in to the administration's "cheap fake" lies. I haven't seen any pictures altered to make Biden look bewildered.
Even people who have a sophisticated approach to interpreting images and generally a realistic view of politics...have been deeply moved and deeply impressed by Associated Press photographer Evan Vucci's shot of a bloodied and defiant Donald Trump from below. Way too deeply moved and impressed, I'm thinking.
FFS. This is stupid. Pictures like this inspire because they capture a narrative. A guy who just survived an assassination attempt standing up, pumping his fist and urging his followers to fight on (under an American flag, no less) is a powerful narrative. Hell, even if George W. Bush's bullhorn shot was followed up with lousy policy, it sure as hell captured a powerful narrative. You don't have to idolize either Donald Trump or George W. Bush to see the power of that narrative. And anyone claiming you do, or that you're part of a cult if you do, is a liar or a moron.
"People like to think they are rational and in control," says Steven Hassan, renowned cult expert and the author of The Cult of Trump, "but the lessons of history and social psychology demonstrate, time and again, that simply isn't so. We go about our days, and our lives, using unconscious mental models. When cult leaders manipulate those models, in subtle and overt ways, we can be persuaded to believe and do things we might never have considered without such systematic psychological influence."
This analysis says that people are not rational and in control....but cult leaders are?
So cult leaders are not people?
Looks like some cultists just got triggered by a Reason article again.
Why do these snowflakes even come here? Is it because The Price Is Right is only on for one hour each day?
For a few of them at least, they have been banned by all of the right-wing forums that have even minimal standards, so they come here. They are here because Reason won't ban commenters except for explicitly illegal activity.
Obviously not the only thing you've pulled out of your ass today.
Case in point.
I see Jeffy is samefagging again.
Why do these snowflakes even come here?
Why do you insist on projecting little dick energy?
LOL *snort*
*swings ponytail*
''Snowflakes''
Lol. You know an insult burns someone hard when they try and flip it and use it against the originator.
* Were we searching for a word, we might just call this approach to images "idolatry." *
What kind of puritanical, iconoclastic bullshit is this?
Hey, someone gets it.
By this nonsense Biden is a cult leader and his followers are dumping him. Hard to blame them he denied responsibility for terrible rhetoric. Total moral free cultist.
"Were we searching for a word, we might just call this approach to images "idolatry."
LOL! Fuck you man. Like seriously, I'm looking you square in the eyes - fuck you Crispin.
What even is this rage glurge? And why here? JFC.
See my post below, Mr. Sartwell appears to be condemning idolatry as a kind of sin, while condemning the religiosity of "idolatry".
And people wonder why Richard Dawkins now refers to himself as a cultural Christian.
Admittedly, the line between religion and politics has worn thin. But when people are literally worshiping images of a leader, or are engaged in political idolatry, oppression and war are predictable corollaries.
I presume our author here rejects this idolatry. I’m tempted to post another Tom Holland video where he points out how atheists and secular people profess largely Christian-based ethics— particularly protestant ones, but then try to pass them off as universal.
For those who are too dense to get it: You know who else rejects idolatry?
Worth re-re-posting.
Why? He’s part of the problem. He sells outrage for clicks. That's the fundamental reason why the discourse today is so shitty.
FOAD, stinking pile of lefty shit.
>But they usually have to force the critics and polemicists to buy in by threatening their families or something else dear to them.
Observers of human nature will tell you otherwise. Did you think human beings were rational actors, unmoved by style and symbol? Did you think voters were?
Well well. Here's a little bit of anarchism in action.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-17/sovereign-citizen-fake-court-alleged-child-kidnapping/104085748
..."judging people based on their ability or inability to put aside their opinion about Trump and acknowledge that this picture goes extremely hard."...
Translation to English, please.
''Translation to English, please.''
Orange man bad.
From the original tweet, it's him saying the picture is objectively badass and he is going to judge people if their political bias leads them to deny that fact
Guy realizes he narrowly avoided a lead-caused head explosion; gets up and raises fist to supporters, not knowing if he is still a target (but knowing full well the S/S has already fallen down on the job).
Any of you who have ever been in danger would recognize that as courage.
And after leakin’ Joe's bedtime, with the S/S “A” team in attendance to make sure he didn’t fall off the bed.
Hot take headline.
I am not MAGA nor a Trump fan but he's getting my vote in November. Democrats have tested my resolve that there is not a lesser of two evils and the LP delegates nominated an Obama supporter. Junior is wrong on more than he is right so I am left with Trump.
What did Chemjeff, the man of principle say when Zelenskyy took over state media? "Well, there's a war going on"
Chemjeff is also a champion of objective and dispassionate analysis, but he tried to dismiss damning report on Reedy Creek because it was commissioned by Desantis. CJ, with preconceived notions? Why, impossible.
The guy's moral grandstanding is just nauseating. Here we are talking about the assassination attempt and the left's vile hatred of a man, and he predictably focuses on the GOP's criticism of DEI. Is he worried that the SS failed and a man lost of his life, or that lefties wish that Trump would have died? Not really. "Well gee what about when Trump said X, said B, said C, you guys were ok when he said it, you have NO PRINCIPLE." And to him, Trump saying Mexico is sending us bad people is effectively no better than UCLA Hamas kids calling for death of Jews.
In the last two days, he's been trying to argue that the left's bloodthirst and dehumanizing fear of Trump can be rationalized. If someone really thought J6 was an attack on democracy, then we can understand how they might see Trump as Hitler or a dictator. In other words, if someone tried to kill Obama, his expansion of the surveillance state or secret drone program can explain why some loons would fear him as an existential threat to democracy who must be "eliminated".
This is not how decent people behave. It's cultish behavior. You don't endorse paranoia and claim integrity. If you can't rest your agenda even after a near national tragedy, you will rightfully be seen as a fanatic. Chem will resolutely refuse to vote for Trump out of character issues, but if Trump tries to reduce trade with China or deport an illegal who endorsed against Jews, he'll foam at the mouth.
Trump doesn't know how to make a proper fist, lol.
I simply haven't run into a single person who supports Trump who views him in anything that could be called a cult-like manner. I'm sure there's at least one out there, but several of my Trump-supporting acquaintances said openly in 2016 that they would have voted for Bernie Sanders if he were on the ballot. They want someone who represents the little guy, and feel that everyone else in the "uniparty" (a term many use) represents only the "elite." They aren't fixated on Trump, they support anyone who fights the establishment. I don't know why the "Trump cult" meme keeps circulating, except that it's an easy way to dismiss a movement that establishment hangers-on have no other answer to.
It's old fashioned populism. That's why they will flip on a dime between Socialist Bernie and Fascist Trump. To them there's no difference so long as the candidate promises to punish the rich city folk, promises to build a dome around the country, promises to keep inflation strong. It's the politics of resentment. Protectionism, isolationism, big-governmentism. The power of the state, not for the protection of rights, but for the redistribution of favors.
The little guy still gets screwed, but the Populist Authoritarian will promise a reach around. But never deliver even on that.
A lone rando tries to kill Trump, but his followers act like this picture shows him defying the Democrat's attempt on his life. It's conspiracy think all the way down.
Trump could die of old age, and his most devoted followers will insist it was a hit job. He is, after all, Orange Jeebus, and cannot die.
He wasn't shot, nor was he even shot AT.
C'mON, suckers!
People who like Trump are a cult. Ok got it
Biden, who ignores the law, locks up rivals, uses the DOJ/FBI/IRS as weapons, and gives orders to the media is the non-authoritative one.
Got it.
Back to the Trump cult - because people like what he says it's a cult.
Can you point me to your Obama article? You know the one where he is the light bringer and changing the world. You know where teachers made little kids sing about Obama.