Trump's Veep: Better Burgum Than Vance or Rubio
Sens. J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio—unlike Gov. Doug Burgum—have proven that they will move the GOP away from free market economics.

Next week, the Republican National Convention will choose Donald Trump to be its nominee for the third presidential election cycle in a row. Between then and now, Trump will also choose his vice president. No one can know Trump's mind for certain, but he is believed to have settled on three finalists: Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio), Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.), and North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum.
While the vice presidency is often derided as a relatively unimportant job, there are reasons to think that Trump's choice could have significant ramifications in the future. When Trump does, at long last, exit the political stage, his most recent veep will be a likely contender for the Republican presidential nomination in subsequent cycles. Vance, Rubio, and Burgum all share certain similarities—in that they are Republicans who strongly support Trump—but they are also distinct personalities with significant policy differences.
When Ronald Reagan ran the party, he famously used the metaphor of a three-legged stool to describe modern conservatism, with the legs being neoconservatism (on foreign policy), religious conservatism (on social issues), and libertarianism (on economics). This triple alliance continued through the George W. Bush administration, but Trump shattered it when he won the nomination and the presidency in 2016. Neoconservatism, in particular, fell out of fashion with the GOP; Trump also pushed the party to move away from economic libertarianism, at least on trade.
The battle for control of the GOP's ideological direction is still being fought, and Trump's veep and eventual successor could play a decisive role in winning it. (Trump is himself not particularly ideological.) For libertarians who would like to see the Republican Party adopt a more market-friendly platform wherever possible, the vice presidency has some stakes.
It's unfortunate, then, that Trump's seemingly most likely choice—Vance—is also the least libertarian by far.
Vance first came to public attention after publishing Hillbilly Elegy, a memoir about his adolescence in Appalachia. The book chronicled the decay of the American Rust Belt and the resulting social instability among the working class, and it helped explain Trump's appeal to blue-collar voters. It is notable, however, that at the time, Vance did not endorse the phenomenon he was describing. In fact, Hillbilly Elegy largely avoids scapegoating market forces and instead asserts that the struggling members of Vance's community were wrong to blame their problems on sinister outsiders.
Unfortunately, avoiding demagoguery is not a winning strategy when seeking higher office. Today, Vance is a committed populist who embraces tariffs and protectionism. He has called for the federal government to break up Google. He has even praised Federal Trade Commission Chairwoman Lina Khan, a Joe Biden appointee waging a one-woman crusade against major tech companies—and indirectly, their customers.
"A lot of my Republican colleagues look at Lina Khan…and they say, 'Well Lina Khan is sort of engaged in some sort of fundamental evil thing," said Vance earlier this year. "And I guess I look at Lina Khan as one of the few people in the Biden administration that I think is doing a pretty good job."
Khan's entire project is empowering federal bureaucrats to gum up the operations of major companies like Amazon for the crime of efficiently and successfully meeting human needs. Vance co-signs this effort.
In truth, Vance is fond of all sorts of progressive economic ideas. Interviewed by Ross Douthat in The New York Times, Vance showed affection for the minimum wage, explicitly rejecting libertarian arguments against it.
"You raise the minimum wage to $20 an hour, and you will sometimes hear libertarians say this is a bad thing," said Vance. "'Well, isn't McDonald's just going to replace some of the workers with kiosks?' That's a good thing, because then the workers who are still there are going to make higher wages."
Vance went on to argue that cheap immigrant labor outcompeting American workers was in fact bad and ought to be prevented by the federal government. That is Vance's ideology in a nutshell: If American workers lose their jobs because government interference sped up the process of automation, oh well. But if these same workers lose out due to free market competition, the feds should work to prevent it.
Vance is arguably more committed to anti-libertarian ideas than is Trump himself. Trump's rhetoric is often quite at odds with his actual policies, and he is capable of dramatic policy shifts—like supporting a ban on TikTok and then dramatically backpedaling. When Trump's former secretary of defense raised the idea of mandatory national military service, Trump called it a "ridiculous idea." Vance has said he is in support of some version of the proposal, however. If Vance becomes the vice president, he will be well-positioned to hone Trump's populist instincts and bring the policy in line with the rhetoric.
Rubio, by contrast, is not a very sincere populist. He entered the Senate in 2011 as part of the Tea Party wave; his instincts at the time were traditionally Republican, but he emphasized some limited government themes, like reining in spending and opposing congressional earmarks. He also supported immigration reform and wanted to design a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants living within the United States. Unlike other prominent Republicans identified with the Tea Party such as Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.), Rubio remained reflexively hawkish on foreign policy. When he ran for president in 2016, he was arguably the candidate most similar to former President George W. Bush—quite a feat, given that Jeb Bush was also in the race.
One thing Rubio has in common with Vance is that both politicians completely changed their tune with respect to Trump once his conquest of the Republican Party was complete. Rubio once called Trump a "con artist" and "the most vulgar person to ever aspire to the presidency." Now he routinely defends Trump at all costs, even comparing the criminal proceedings against Trump to "show trials" of the likes of Communist Cuba.
Rubio's incoherent defenses of Trump have also caused the senator to embrace bad policies he once opposed. As Reason's Eric Boehm has noted, Rubio previously understood that raising tariffs on China would punish consumers in the U.S., the people buying the goods in question. He quite succinctly explained this to Trump during the Republican presidential primary debates in 2016. Eight years later, Rubio is not only defending tariffs on China—he agrees with Trump's plan to expand them.
All that said, Rubio comes across as more ideologically flexible than Vance. He has betrayed libertarian economic ideas because the current trajectory of the Republican Party is away from this philosophy. If that were to change, one suspects that Rubio would too.
This means that Burgum is the least bad choice for vice president, almost by default. The North Dakota governor has not been on the national political scene for nearly as much time as Vance or Rubio, instead emerging last year as an unlikely Republican presidential candidate during the primaries. He did not particularly distinguish himself during the debates, though he did attract some positive attention for displaying his pocket Constitution.
According to a largely sympathetic evaluation of his tenure in office, Burgum has governed as a traditional conservative: cutting taxes, improving the business climate in the state, supporting the Second Amendment, and so on. He signed a very restrictive ban on abortion, which may be a nonstarter for Trump, who has correctly surmised that this issue is currently the biggest barrier to a second Trump term. Burgum did, however, take the position that abortion is an issue for the states and should not be decided by the federal government.
Before entering politics, he was a self-made businessman who started his own software company and sold it to Microsoft for $1 billion in 2001. While success in the business world is no guarantee of fealty to libertarian economics—Vance was a venture capitalist, after all—it is somewhat encouraging. Political candidates invariably end up disappointing libertarians, but Burgum's record as a governor suggests that he is less likely to abandon basic free market principles at the drop of a hat.
By contrast, Vance and Rubio have already proven that they are happy to do so.
Unfortunately, none of the candidates under consideration for Trump's veep slot are particularly libertarian. Vance and Rubio, though, are not just unlibertarian—they have moved decisively in an anti-libertarian direction on economic issues where a generic Republican might be plausibly expected to at least casually align with liberty. That's ample reason to hope Trump excludes them from the ticket.
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I recommend Trump nominate Johnny Fuckerfaster.
Yeah, he's a complete fuck up, but he does his job well and faster than anyone I know...and he's not afraid to tell his mom about it.
Damn it. I told your mom to stop calling me that.
Instead of this unfunny nonsense, can you go help out jeff in the other thread? He's having a rough day.
Comedy is another word sarc doesn't understand.
When has Jeffy ever had a GOOD day?
Thank you BG. You taught me to truly not give a shit about what shitheads have to say. I haven't read a single post of yours since you told me I care about what you say. Not a one. I didn't realize I was capable of such contempt, but you taught me that I was. Like I said in the beginning, thank you. Without you I may have never known how worthless people like you are. Thanks.
Talks about the what not the who. Here for honest conversation and ideas.
“since you told me I care about what you say.”
Huh?
Also note, sarc's diatribe here is said immediately after making a “your mother” joke.
Alcohol poisoning.
Little Marco? I doubt that.
They are both FL residents aren't they?
Yes they are, which makes Rubio an unlikely choice.
Aren't the president and vice president required constitutionally to reside in different states? Or has that been amended out?
12th Amendment:
"The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves;"
Maybe he puts someone else on the VP ballot in Florida
There's no requirement they be from separate states, the requirement, as you quoted, is that FL electors would not be able to vote for both of them. In the unlikely event of a Trump/Rubio ticket FL electors would likely vote for Trump for president and some other random R for vice president, and hope Rubio gets to 271 without them. Failing that, the Senate would select the vice president.
Cheney changed his residence because of that: https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96427&page=1
https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1811378251878846711
What would it take to balance the budget? I asked ChatGPT.
Budget Cuts to Eliminate $1.2 Trillion Deficit:
•Defense Spending: $100 billion (14.3% cut from $700 billion)
•Medicare and Medicaid: $150 billion (12.5% cut from $1.2 trillion)
•Social Security: $150 billion (11.5% cut from $1.3 trillion)
•Discretionary Spending: $200 billion (20% cut from $1 trillion)
•Subsidies and Tax Expenditures: $100 billion (exact percentage varies)
•Government Efficiency and Waste Reduction: $100 billion (estimated 10% cut from various departments)
•Department of Education: $50 billion (28.6% cut from $175 billion)
•Department of Transportation: $50 billion (25% cut from $200 billion)
•Department of Energy: $25 billion (33.3% cut from $75 billion)
•Department of Agriculture: $25 billion (25% cut from $100 billion)
•Department of Homeland Security: $25 billion (16.7% cut from $150 billion)
•Department of Health and Human Services: $50 billion (7.1% cut from $700 billion)
•Other Departments and Programs: $175 billion (estimated percentage varies)
Total Cuts: $1.2 trillion
and now you know there will never be a balanced budget. It is impossible for congress to reach such an agreement.
ChatGPT has the same dementia as Joe and didnt realize the deficit was revised upwards to 1.9T.
https://budget.house.gov/press-release/congressional-budget-office-updates-baseline-deficit-spending-is-27-percent-higher_than-previously-estimated
Who is Chases VP? OH RIGHT. The LPe candidate he asked to send delegates at the convention his way.
Back room deals are the libertarian way.
Back room deals are all politicians' way. Candidates who drop out of the primary and endorse the ultimate winner are almost always rewarded with some plum appointment in the new administration.
Why i called them the LPe.
Vivek or bust.
Thats my choice as well.
2nd.
^^^^ This
He would be an excellent choice, yes.
I would prefer Vivek, but I'll admit that I didn't find Burgum loathsome in the first Presidential debate.
"Now he routinely defends Trump at all costs, even comparing the criminal proceedings against Trump to "show trials" of the likes of Communist Cuba."
And how exactly is this incoherent or inaccurate?
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out exactly how one would characterize the 1,458 bizarre, novel-theory criminal counts against trump in 478 varying political districts from local c-list prosecutors who all met with J Biden DOJ officials, all intensifying before the 2024 election could possibly be show trials?
The one inaccuracy is that it would be more correct to compare the trials to those in the Stalinist Soviet Union, rather than Communist Cuba.
You say potato…
In other words, now he is routinely right.
Yeah... yeah, don't uh, don't pick Marco Rubio, 'cause... *checks article* yeah, he'll move us away from free market economics. Because yeah, if trump gets any less free marketish, we're gonna have to strategically and reluctantly vote for J Biden.
"Next week, the Republican National Convention will choose Donald Trump to be its nominee for the third presidential election cycle in a row."
Don't bet on it.
Trump has a lot of enemies like McConnell, Ryan, Murkowski, Collins, Johnson, Graham and others know as RINOs (republican in name only), and their numbers are bigger than one would think.
However, the evidence indicates Trump is very popular with the conservative voters.
If the GOP does not select Trump to run as the POTUS, then the end of the republican party is a very real possibility and a new conservative party could develop ala the end of the old Whig Party in 1860.
Lol. I will take that bet. I’ll even give 2-1 odds.
They’ll move on from trump someday, but it ain’t gonna be next week. You can’t really believe that?
Burgum?! I hardly Noem!
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What you talkin' 'bout? You already wrote that Trump knocked out of the Republican Party their neoconservatism (making what remains more libertarian) and their religious conservatism (ditto). So are you saying their trend on international trade alone means their trajectory is away from libertarianism? As far as I can tell, on most issues Trump's been making them more libertarian than they've been in my life, and I'm 70. And even their trend on trade issues is not so bad, as international trade policy is a more complicated field than you think.
And on Reason's boogeyman of tariffs, they are deliberately dishonest. Trump offered reciprocal rates of 0% and was refused so they got reciprocal tariffs, China being different due to their longstanding policy of IP theft.
If you want to stop IP theft the answer is simple and does not require tariffs.
If any American company imports any product containing stolen IP, that company must pay royalties plus triple damages to the company whose IP was stolen. Any foreign company that imports IP stolen from America is no longer permitted to sell to Americans unless they pay royalties plus triple damages.
Fencing stolen goods is a crime and the way to stop it is to increase the cost for the fences.
Speaking of free markets, why would anyone work for private enterprise when government jobs, Obamacare bureaucracy insurance JERBS, and grant taxpayer funded jobs pay so much more with less work?
I have seen groups of teen or tween illegals in Colorado walking along the bike paths with bags and picking up occasional pieces of trash in the outskirts of the path. This shit is like Milton Friedmans China visit under Mao.
Why don’t we just dig holes and fill them back in with dirt? Free Markets schmarkets
I can’t think of a single nation that has built a strong domestic manufacturing industry without protectionism. I am interested in counter examples but can’t come up with any.
OTOH, most domestic regulations strike me as primarily designed for grift and/or suppressing competition from small businesses and individuals to the benefit of the large corporations which have captured the regulators.
I’m not sure the U.S. could successfully build The Erie Canal or Hoover Dam today. Per capita per lawyer leads to deep pocketed (the federal government) lawsuits for every laborer with a paper cut. This, plus the federal government is bankrupt and most of the blue state governments are bankrupt. This is probably why Gates is building his small nuclear plant sites in Wyoming. (Gates project is still funded with grant money)
Forget the labor costs. The environutbag cult would make sure they never got to the environmental review stage.
Comment to reply downthread
This. I read an article recently on how the US managed to scale up the airplane industry during WWII. These days, in the time that took, we wouldn't even get the factories permitted.
Can Burgum see Canada from his house?
When Ronald Reagan ran the party, he famously used the metaphor of a three-legged stool to describe modern conservatism…
Trump also pushed the party to move away from economic libertarianism, at least on trade.
PFFFFFBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBT! Hey Robbie, try googling “Reagan Tariffs Japan”.
The question about Reagan isn't whether or not he was a consistent proponent of the free market, it's whether or not he left the economy freer than he found it. Politics, like engineering, is a question of optimizing trade offs.
Here's an idea: how about the VP pick NOT be an old person, so they have half a prayer of a chance of becoming Pres in 4 years.
It’s not labor costs it’s lawsuit rackets. The mob swarms around any type of government or big corporate investment money (the train in California?).
https://nypost.com/2024/06/16/us-news/ms-13-russian-mobsters-use-migrants-in-elaborate-injury-scam-even-getting-spinal-surgery-to-pull-it-off-sources/
I say solve the homeless and migrant crisis, and the lack of troops in Ukraine, in one fell swoop. Ship 'em!
Better Burgum. Rubio or a syphillitic bowel movement than Chase Oliver.
“Vance went on to argue that cheap immigrant labor outcompeting American workers was in fact bad and ought to be prevented by the federal government.”
Soave: It is a good thing that immigrants are undercutting the wages of native born Americans.
Soave: Why is everyone opposing me on immigration policy?
The only people whose wages go down to cheap foreign competition are high school dropouts with no skills. Everyone else's effective income rises.
Jobs are not "shipped overseas". These jobs are unproductive at US wage rates and the only question is whether the foreign workers are hired by American companies or foreign companies.
The American steel industry was protected to death. Letting Nippon Steel buy US Steel was the best thing that could have happened to the American steel industry. When US Steel was created it was so huge that it could not only purchase the entire Japanese steel industry, but could have bought most of Japan. One hundred years of protection created a moribund company that was less inventive than the average Occupy Wall Street moron.
The Law of Comparative Advantage holds whether or not politicians like it.
Perhaps, but the dropouts still vote. And the IT guys who were asked to train their immigrant replacements surely were better educated than high school dropouts.
Part of the problem is the benefits are abstract and diffuse, and the drawbacks are stark and concentrated.
I've personally observed the "competence" of these immigrant IT specialists and frankly, they're not worth what they are paid. They are pure cut and paste, follow the instructions, read off the card and don't let an original thought pass through their heads.
The problem with foreign technical education does not extend solely to India from where many of the IT replacements come. Feynman observed it in Brazil and several other countries. The ability to recite equations has almost no connection to actually understanding what the equations mean.
Competent IT people are justifiably more expensive than incompetent ones whether they come from the US or foreign countries. US business management has never been able to see beyond immediate costs and consistently misjudges the ability of cheap labor.
In the opposite extreme, I watched a major aerospace company hire "cheap" engineers from Vietnam and then lose them as soon as they developed proficiency in English. These engineers were fully competent and lacked only the ability to communicate well. Other companies recognized this and offered these engineers what they were actually worth.
Paraphrasing Shakespeare, "The fault, dear Mickey, lies not in our stars, but with American business management"
“When Ronald Reagan ran the party, he famously used the metaphor of a three-legged stool to describe modern conservatism, with the legs being neoconservatism (on foreign policy), religious conservatism (on social issues), and libertarianism (on economics).”
A very simplistic re-telling of history. The three legged stool was at best a rhetorical commitment to fiscal conservatism, strong national defense, and social conservatism, all vague enough to allow flexibility when needed. If you don’t believe me see Reagan’s tariffs, or the criticism that neoconservatives leveled at Reagan for being too “soft” regarding Russia. (https://nationalinterest.org/commentary/when-the-right-hated-reagan-10055).
“This triple alliance continued through the George W. Bush administration, but Trump shattered it”
Really? It was Trump that shattered it? I think there was a reason why the Tea Party movement rose up against the Republican Establishment and it had little to do with Trump. It was the same reason why libertarian-leaning Republicans like Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and Thomas Massie got elected over Republican Establishment favored candidates. The reason being that George W. Bush and Establishment Republicans had already shattered whatever alliance you claim the GOP had with economic libertarians/fiscal conservatives. The only alliance George W. Bush maintained was to social conservatism and a very very incompetent version of neoconservatism. Trump “shattered” nothing, he merely picked up the pieces.
By the way the reason to oppose Rubio as VP is this: “When he ran for president in 2016, he was arguably the candidate most similar to former President George W. Bush—quite a feat, given that Jeb Bush was also in the race.”
Excellent analysis and you're right about Bush. Coming into office with a balanced budget, he proceeded to double the national debt and set up Obama to re-double it even though Obama never needed any help in wrecking the economy.
Had Trump cut anything from the budgets he would have been an economic hero but he was more like Bush and Obama. He ran huge deficits as well as any of his predecessors.
Rand Paul, Mike Lee and Thomas Massie (not to mention Justin Amash) are the real "Rinos" since they prefer liberty to power.
Not Rubio nor Vance. If he learned anything from his first administration is not to mess with the senate balance. Even in red Alabama they lost the special election. Even if North Dakota where to elect a dem governor it is just a governor.
For what it's worth, Libertarians may have been able to influence Trump's pick of veep running mate if they had been prepared to appreciate Trump for the positive things about his presidency.
This were why we cannot win, because we are not in a position to give credit where credit were due. It's simply not in the Libertarian gene pool. You do not need to vote for Trump to recognize there to be a public record, nor do you need to vote for Trump in order to match up those parts of the public record that were worth celebrating on grounds of matching libertarian goals.
Even a loathsome dictator such as Idi Amin might have a libertarian moment. (Trump has never abused power to that degree, amiright?) Let's see ...
https://www.wisdomly.net/idi-amin-1664.php