Joe Biden and Donald Trump Make Each Other's Candidacies Possible
Neither would be viable contenders for office in the absence of such a disliked opponent.

Wildly unpopular with much of the American public and blatantly unsuited to the office of the presidency to which both men hope to be reelected, Donald Trump and Joe Biden both seem ripe to be replaced by younger, more competent candidates who evoke less popular revulsion. But while Biden in particular may yet be shuffled aside to make room for somebody else, they currently exist in a state of political symbiosis. Biden and Trump may hate each other, but each owes a strong measure of his political viability to the failings of his opponent.
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Nobody Likes Them
In April, AP-NORC polling found "the public generally says the presidencies of both Joe Biden and Donald Trump did more harm than good, but each president is viewed negatively on different issues." Specifically, about half of respondents said Biden hurt the U.S. on cost of living, immigration, and foreign relations. A similar proportion thought Trump did harm to voting rights, election security, foreign relations, abortion, and climate change.
Unsurprisingly, the same month, Pew Research reported that "voters overall have little confidence in either candidate across a range of key traits, including fitness for office, personal ethics and respect for democratic values." Forty-nine percent favored replacing both Biden and Trump as the major parties' presidential nominees.
As of Tuesday, Trump has a 38.6 percent approval rating, according to ABC News/FiveThirtyEight (57.9 percent disapprove). That's miserable, but it's higher than Biden's 37.4 percent (56.8 percent disapprove). These are two political candidates who seemingly threaten to be dead weight for their respective political parties, dragging down prospects for ballot box victory. But in truth, each has a secret weapon: his much-loathed opponent.
"Biden likely can only win going up against a candidate as unpopular as Trump," Harry Enten, CNN's senior data reporter, commented last September. "Trump likely can only win going up against a candidate as unpopular as Biden."
The Parties Could Do Better
Surveys bear out the weakness of both men. With Biden trailing Trump by a widening margin after a disastrous debate performance put his cognitive decline on public display, voters (barely) prefer Vice President Kamala Harris over the former president by 42 percent to 41 percent, and one-time presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton by 43 percent to 41 percent in a recent Bendixen & Amandi poll.
On the same note, January CBS News/YouGov polling found Trump beating Biden by 50 percent to 48 percent. But Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis out-did Biden by 51 percent to 48 percent, and former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley led the incumbent by 53 percent to 45 percent.
Each of the major parties' primary voters have selected relatively weak candidates propped up by the similarly questionable decisions of their counterparts across the political divide.
Upsetting the Balance
Of course, matters have changed in recent weeks after the presidential debate that was supposed to put Joe Biden's dynamism on display did exactly the opposite. The incumbent president's incoherent word salad and flat affect not only raised questions about his ability to campaign for another four years in the White House, but serious concerns that, whoever has been making presidential decisions, it hasn't been the guy behind the podium that night.
"It's unclear even to some inside the West Wing policy process which policy issues reach the president, and how," Semafor's Ben Smith reports he was told by an anonymous government official. "Major decisions go into an opaque circle that includes White House chief of staff, Jeff Zients (who talks to the president regularly) and return concluded."
The fallout from that debate debacle, and subsequent not-very-reassuring interviews has upset the symbiotic political relationship that previously balanced Biden's obvious failings with Trump's glaring flaws. Both national and swing-state polls show Donald Trump pulling ahead of Joe Biden by a growing margin, with averages putting the Republican's national advantage anywhere from 2 percent to over 3 percent. That has prominent Democrats battling one another over whether and how Biden should be replaced as the party's standard-bearer going into the election.
A new candidate without Biden's cognitive deficits and political baggage could well erase Trump's advantage. Voters resigned to casting a vote for the GOP candidate just because he's not Biden might decide differently if Democrats put forward a different option. Well, they might if it's a less-bad option.
Right now, the likeliest replacement is Vice President Kamala Harris, who would inherit the Biden-Harris campaign apparatus and, importantly, cash. But despite a small advantage in the Bendixen & Amandi poll, she's not well-liked (37.1 percent approve, 51.2 percent disapprove). Harris has a reputation as a formerly authoritarian prosecutor who abuses staff until they quit in droves, and as an intellectual lightweight who just isn't up the limited demands of the vice presidency, let alone the White House.
The Candidates We're Stuck With?
Replacing Biden with Harris could just trade one hobbled candidate for another who would have no obvious advantage going into the race—other than a greater likelihood to live until Election Day, that is.
For his part, Biden (or somebody acting on his behalf) insists he is "firmly committed to staying in this race, to running this race to the end" and that he "wouldn't be running again if I did not absolutely believe I was the best person to beat Donald Trump in 2024."
Unless Biden, or those around him, changes his mind, it looks like he'll get a chance to try. With a lock on the Republican party and a lead in the polls, Trump is the certain GOP nominee. No matter what so many Americans want, the two mutually dependent rivals appear destined to once again present the voters with a choice between damaged and unpopular candidates.
Of course, the real problem here isn't just the candidates, but parties and a political system that deliver such flawed options to a nation of 330 million people. If the best they can come up with are people who are viable political contenders only because they balance each other's awfulness, a better means of winnowing political hopefuls is in order, as is wider access to the ballot for potential contenders.
Until then, we're stuck with options that few want. May the less terrible choice, if such one is, win.
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The Dems had effectively no primary at all.
Trump won the RNC primaries rather easily.
It's not comparable. Amongst the voters, Trump was shown to be the one most wanted.
Without Trump, Biden wouldn't be viable.
Without Biden, Trump wouldn't be viable... Except for when he beat Clinton.... And, well, the polling shows that if Biden... uh... disappears from the race, Trump would likely beat Harris as well.
But really, it's only via their diametric opposition that either one can exist. Like Agent Smith and Neo or Harry Potter and Lord Voldemort.
It's almost like Tardsilly is distorting the facts to fit his narrative.
One might wonder if such factual and narrative distortion played a part in Biden's viability against, not just Trump, but his fellow DNC primary opponents.
Nah! The real problem is that half the electorate continues to be deplorables who refuse to understand that the DNC would be the clearly superior party if they could just find the right TOP CANDIDATE.
I do wonder, when polls show "that Trump's presidency was generally thought to have caused more harm than good", if that might have something to do with 8 years of constant hysterical media pants-shitting. The shocking thing isn't that Trump has low general popularity, it's that he manages to retain any popularity at all in the face of the unhinged screeching.
That's probably a sign that he's not nearly as bad as he's made out to be.
I saw a poll this week that rated Trump's presidency at 51%, but showed his approval not much higher than Biden's. It had Biden's approval and presidency rated similarly. That disconnect may be 1st time Trumpers that can't bring themselves to say they like him, but are willing to vote for him to get rid of Pantshitter in Chief.
but the 159 historians say Trump's was the worst in history. The Potato even remembered that line.
He left out that they were democratic Biden donors but hey was would that matter
It would be a fair premise to say without the GOP/DNCe Trump and Biden wouldn't exist but I don't think the analysis supporting such would draw the pre-conclusions Toosilly wanted to get.
Trump was made possible by the progressives jumping the shark on the culture 'progress', as well as the fortifications from the last couple elections.
Trump is NOT made possible by Biden because noone believes Biden had anything to do with anything. His shadowy cabal of puppet-handlers (the bubble wrappers that have to insert arms into rectum to keep his corpse animated) and puppet-masters... those that make and enforse policy and make him sign stuff - these are the ones that most recently also make the case for Trump.
The case for Trump was made prior to his 2016 presidency and was a reaction to the idiocy on the left that has only gotten worse since then.
But Trump is also a reaction against those on the right that say pretty things then refuse to follow through and play nice with establishment power once elected. He doesn’t say pretty things, just usually exaggerated true things, and had less reason to be influenced toward DC power structures.
Or is Romney actually what GOP voters want?
agreed
I somewhat disagree. I continue to believe that the Trump presidency was primarily made possible by pro-D media giving him attention and free airtime in an attempt to manipulate Republicans into nominating an 'unwinnable' candidate. They did succeed in sucking the wind out of the more mainstream candidates' campaigns but their attempt to rig the election backfired.
Agreed. Another reason Trump is here is because people think he was robbed in 2020.
They did polls of the other democrats against Trump. None of them did well against Trump. Maybe there is hope that the country won't fall for Newsom. But hey reparations...
yeah...
This. I don't think Biden has actual supporters. It seems to me that all of his support is for the DNC with him as their regretful avatar. Trump drives a lot of enthusiastic support as well as hatred that overlaps with but isn't fully reflective of the Republican brand.
This is a poor comparison even before looking at policies and fitness for office
Bluntly, I'd KILL for us to elect the Trump that exists in the mind of the Left.
Same.
"It’s not comparable. Amongst the voters, Trump was shown to be the one most wanted."
TDS-addled piles of shit like Tuccille don't want to hear that; it might cause them a bout of sanity.
Seems no matter who each party runs, about half of the electorate is going to hate them simply because they belong to the other party
Time for America's blue cities to leave.
I wish we had a Phantom Zone projector.
True; most Democrats are urban dwellers, primarily in California, New York, and Illinois [aka "The Blue Wall"]. Beyond geography the divide seems to be between those of us who want to be left alone, and those who want an increasingly bigger government to take care of them and manage everything, which includes making the rest of us dance to their tune.
I would be happy just being rid of those States.
Joe Biden and Donald Trump Make Each Other’s Candidacies Possible
But only today’s Libertarian party could’ve made Chase Oliver’s nomination possible.
*ducks*
Not wrong. :-/
I have no constructive comment. But I do have to say it:
Haters gonna hate.
BOAF SIDEZ! - J.D. Toosilly
Now there's a fresh take I haven't seen before.
You beat me to it.
I've been saying this here for months--the election will be both of them or neither. They are not viable candidates against anyone else but each other.
So if Newsom were the Dem nominee, whose your pick for a successful R opponent?
They are two lightweights fighting for the heavyweight championship. Neither would stand a chance against an actual heavyweight contender.
Neither would stand a chance against an actual heavyweight contender.
Clearly false. Trump beat Chris Christie twice.
And Hillary as well.
It looked like Butterbean eating the matt on the first punch.
Name the heavyweight you think would work.
Don't expect honesty from TDS-addled shit-piles.
Same question to you as I made to Vernon.
Tell me you're a part of the same Deep State, Fake News spin machine without telling me you're a part of the Deep State, Fake News spin machine:
"It's unclear even to some inside the West Wing policy process which policy issues reach the president, and how," Semafor's Ben Smith reports he was told by an anonymous government official. "Major decisions go into an opaque circle that includes White House chief of staff, Jeff Zients (who talks to the president regularly) and return concluded."
Seriously, why isn't this paragraph the lead? Whether you don't have to be a libertarian to see this as an overt subversion of democracy. Hell, even as a devout Biden supporter this is a rather clear subversion.
So, the question is, if we know this subversion of the chief representative of the people is going on, why is it wrapped in a dozen other paragraphs equivocating about how the two candidates?
Didn't this retarded "DNC candidate as The Devil, Trump as Jesus, locked in an existential struggle" meme get some Russians kicked out of the country?
And the article doesn't actually mention anything wrong with Trump besides "he's unpopular". Compared with this stuff about Biden, surely it would have been possible to come up with some damning statement about something terrible about Trump, if Tuccille was gonna try and both sides this?
"Gosh darn it, Trump is obviously completely unsuited for the job of President because Democrats foam at the mouth about him!"
Biden beat everyone in the Democratic primaries in 2020. Trump beat everyone in the Republican primaries in 2016 and 2024.
This is who the parties' want. Democrats wanted Biden because he was seen as an Obama puppet. Republicans want Trump because they loathe the people who loathe Trump.
Republicans want Trump because they loathe the people who loathe Trump.
ding ding ding
Trump could come out tomorrow and advocate for open borders, tax hikes, and unlimited abortion on demand, and his team will still vote for him because “the other side’s worse”.
That’s funny shit. Untrue, but funny.
So true. Trump's Deranged Supporters back the man first, policies second.
You're more out of touch than the DNC.
Deplorable and proud of it; Trump is a thumb to their eye.
Oh, horse shit. The problem isn't with the method of selecting candidates, it's that the voters are collectively evil. The candidates are unpopular because they're not evil enough for many voters.
And it's not like the situation's better in any other country, either.
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…"
-Churchill
Based on your incoherent drunken comments yesterday, you should stick to cut and paste.
I wonder if Joe will accept trump’s invitation to play golf.
He pussied out, much like Sarc did after he threatened to beat me up and then hid for months and months. Coincidentally, Biden is Sarc’s guy.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/10/biden-campaign-brushes-off-trump-golf-challenge-ca/
This was great! You know Trump was hoping a yes, so he could make big bank on it. Gotta love that guy for the $$ angle.
...
Imagine the respondents were to construct an imaginary, ideal candidate who was right on the issues as they saw them. You'd hate such a candidate!
I love how everything Trump supposedly ‘did harm to’ is total projection from the me(D)ia and establishment Dems (but I repeat myself). Trump harmed election security?? what? by violating state constitutions with last second election rule changes? etc etc… He harmed foreign relations by making foreign states live up to their financial obligations? He harmed abortion by …. what exactly? appointed judges that correctly interpreted the constitution and made the abortion decisions a function of states… closer to the people that make these choices? He hurt immigration by what? cutting back on ILLEGAL aliens? He hurt voting rights how?… by trying to clean up voter roles?
Total projection that unfortunately – if reports on these “respondents” is true – shows that the respondents are idiots!
^+1
Unfortunately, you describe 90% of the state of CA.
As it stands now, I see the 2024 election being one of low turnout. People seem to be disgusted with both candidates and I see a lot of people simple not choosing to vote. Not a good thing for a democracy. Trump has a strong base, and it will be enough to win. Democrats are relying too much on people's fear of Trump. It will not be enough to stop a Trump victory. I am not looking forward to 4 more years of chaos with a Trump administration, but I survived the last 4 Trump years, and I can survive the next. Question is do we continue down this road of picking the worst candidates and having more and more people turned off to voting?
Low turnout? How is Biden going to get 90,000,000 votes if the turnout is low. Turnout will probably be high, but you ilve in a bubble filled with idiots that realize how shitty Biden is but would never vote for Trump. The people who are so worried Trump is Hitler while living through 4 years of him being President and not leaving behind any political prisoners or dissidents.
Well well; when our resident gaslighter in chief admits all is lost, there are two possibilities:
1. He's just given up on trying to convince us otherwise [that the walls are closing in--any day now, Trump's "foundation is cracking," etc.
2. He's trying to lure us into complacency [i.e., don't bother to vote].
Me, I'm calling bullshit on it. Gaslighters are gonna gaslight, and 50 centers are going to collect their moneys worth.
50 centers are going to collect their moneys worth.
Whores are gonna whore
Turnout will be sky high. Especially with Democrat printers running overtime’s to manufacture all those fake votes.
Don't forget about all the new votes from illegal immigrants who were registered on the federal form that doesn't require verification of citizenship, but instead just requires one to check a box saying they are eligible to vote (what the SAVES Act is trying to combat).
The Dems are declaring they won't vote for the act because "it's already illegal to register and vote if you're not a citizen, so we don't need documentation that they are citizens." The Dems would only use this logic in this instance as it would benefit them. You don't see Dems saying you just need to check a box that you are paying the correct amount of taxes, and not have anyone audited by the IRS for verification, as they know almost everyone would pay a dollar and check the box that that's all they owed if there were no verifications.
leave no nursing home dementia patient behind!!!
105% of eligible voters will be voting in swing states i predict
(msg sponsored by In(D)ernational Harvester)
If only those voters who are choosing who they despise the least would vote for a third party.
They won't though. They've got to vote for a winner. Or someone who can win. Third parties can't win, so they're automatic losers. Only losers vote for losers.
Would be great if the LP did not nominate a moron as their candidate.
From what I’ve heard in interviews Oliver is intelligent and not afraid to take on the third rail.
Problem is that he’s gay, and people who still use “faggot” as an insult will never vote for him.
There are plenty in these here comments who have called me that, and shockingly enough they all defend Trump.
Would never vote for him because he's a progressive Leftist identity politics death cultist. But keep up with the victim complex as if you're not generally instigating.
Based upon that all I can conclude is that you know absolutely nothing about his platform, and are instead judging him for being gay. Only thing left was for you to call me "faggot" and win the argument in the eyes of most of the commentariat.
"Based upon that all I can conclude"
You hate it when that is done to you.
Just noting it for posterity.
You and chemjeff constantly put words in others mouths by strawmanning everyone as saying illegal immigrants are vermin and subhuman, but you and chemjeff (esp chemjeff) are the only ones calling illegals that. Now you try to put words in others' mouths by saying they are calling you "faggot" when you are the only one using that slur.
You're such a joke and a hypocrite, just like your best buddy chemjeff.
Yup, him being gay is the problem. Not idiotic policies and him being an imbecile.
Yep, they all hate that Richard Grenell.
How can you stand yourself?
True. If Libertarians really cared about getting their ideology to win politically they wouldn’t have a problem running the Republican Ticket like Rand/Ron Paul. Instead they’re too focused on their ‘name’ (Libertarian) cheating the primaries process and throwing their ‘already lost’ player on the final game field where they continuously have served up nothing but distraction cheerleaders on the sidelines.
If Libertarians cared they'd be Republicans and vote for Trump. Sure dood.
"Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump ............... YOU people over there are obsessed with Trump not me!"
sarcasmic is what happens when TDS merges with Self-Projection.
Wrong in multiple ways.
(1) Most of us would vote for Rand Paul if the Republicans nominated him. (And he stuck with his positions rather than sell out to win the primary.)
(2) They have not nominated him.
(3) Trump ridiculed him and his positions, not just in the 2016 primary but on an ongoing basis. His army of dittoheads go along with it.
(4) Trump said Rand Paul “shouldn’t even be on this stage” during the 2016 debates.
The Republican party is not willing to make room for libertarians. Decent people like Thomas Massie and Justin Amash have been able win an election because Trump supporters normally aren’t informed enough about down-ballot stuff to do anything except vote for the “R”. But if they stick up their heads and draw Trump’s unfavorable notice, that’s it, they’re primaried and lose.
Because, as sarc and jeff are pointing out, for Trump supporters it’s about the man, not the issues.
Trump did run against Rand Paul in the Primaries.
The 'Libertarian' lost.
Deal with it.
I myself was entirely behind Rand Paul over Trump. I wanted Rand Paul to be the 'primary' winner but he wasn't. He LOST. The Libertarian re-action there would be to just put Rand Paul on the final-game ticket even though he lost the primary (cheating the primary process).
There is a reason the final winning game in every sport doesn't just throw 30,000 teams on the field all at once.
Maybe we’re talking past each other.
The Republicans are entitled to pick as bad a candidate as they want. They are entitled to ridicule the idea of small government as much as they want. Then, after they make their decision, I decide whether I want to vote for the candidate they nominated.
Perhaps you feel like you are a citizen of Republican Nation, with a civic duty to support the results of their small-d democratic process to elect a nominee. If so, good for you.
I’m not. My loyalty to the Republican party as an organization or an idea is zero. I have zero feelings of fellowship or common purpose with Republican primary voters. Not an apathetic zero, but an intentional zero. A person gets zero points from me for winning a Republican primary or having an R next to their name.
But if they nominate someone who is reasonably libertarian – by my definition of libertarian, not theirs – AND voting for them won’t have the side effect of empowering a bunch of freedom haters that also have an R next to their name, then sure, I’ll vote for that candidate.
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Of course all the same goes for Democrats but it's not worth going into detail because commenters here just start yelling "liar" if you one claims to not support Democrats.
As you just went into detail explaining ... It shouldn't matter to you what [X] said candidate is so why would it matter if it's an [R] or a [D]? Libertarians don't have to have an [L] to fairly win politically - they just need to motivate voters in the primary to that political ideology; then they will win the big-ticket to the finalist game.
Their stubbornness in not wanting to play the primary game at all might be the very cause of their effect at the final game.
Actually you just gave me an idea.
Libertarians should take out memberships in both parties... run candidates in both party primaries - the fiscal conservative socially liberal for the Ds and the fiscal conservative socially conservative for the Rs . If lightening struck and they both won and ran against each other you've got a win\win... other than the cosmo socially liberal wing winning then continues the destruction of the social fabric of the nation - BUT - there'd be fiscal conservatism ... being fought tooth and nail by the establisment reps of both parties in the senate and the congress.
Certainly be hope in a huge step up from where the Libertarians sit currently.
Yep, get all 0.01% of the US voting population who are libertarians to vote that way. Massive.
It shouldn’t and doesn’t matter to me whether there is R or D next to their name. The L isn’t a guarantee either but for me the brand name isn’t totally useless yet and I still say “we” nominated Chase Oliver. Others strongly disagree, apparently.
There was a time when I agreed with what you are saying – playing in the major party primaries was worth giving a try. But I saw how the Republican voting base reacted to Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, and Rand Paul in 2016. I saw what happened to Justin Amash when he disagreed with Trump.
As for the Democrats, there’s not even a data point. I guess Tulsi Gabbard had a tiny aftertaste of kinda sorta squint hard and maybe you’ll see it incrementally less authoritarian than other Democrats, and that barely detectable whiff was enough to send her to the bottom of the polls.
Rand Paul watered it down about as much as I could stand in 2016 and still got little traction.
Pretty sure Trump just felt the consequences of ‘establishment’ Libertarian rejection over what some might consider minor-issues so I wouldn’t say ‘establishment’ rejection is only a D or R problem.
And I think you’re right about Rand (and Ron) Paul, although he didn’t win, did manage to influence the [R] ‘establishment’ and make far more headway than the [L] ‘establishment’ at the desired goal post. With the new [R] party platform getting rid of their ‘abortion’ BS all that is really left dividing the two platforms is Border-less-Nation and Unfair-Taxation and actually having politicians honor their own stated platform like actually cutting spending.
Trump and Rand ended up getting along fine (at least in front of the cameras) by 2020 and as far as I know Rand didn’t immediately try backstabbing Trump, unlike some other GOP types you can name.
Trumps actual problem is hiring. He doesn’t have a good nose for those who are going cut him off at the heels the second it’s expedient. He doesn’t always realize who his friends could be. And he’s lucky he’s been able to hold on to some of the allies he has after the shit he’s said about them or the falls he’s let them take in his service.
What you say is very true.
But then I think they ought to be frontstabbing him, metaphorically of course, so his problem with finding reliable lackeys is a feature rather than a bug. It’s a large part of the reason that his bark is worse than his byte.
Help us Liz Cheney. You're our only hope....
Well, she probably meets the heavyweight criterion.
Biden was out yesterday promising endless taxpayer financed war in Europe. Trump says he'll end the war on day one. I have no problem identifying the greater evil
Tuccille hates mean tweets, and to TDS-addled shit-piles like him, that's all that matters.
Biden’s sickening promise is one he can keep.
Trump’s promise -like most of what comes out of his mouth – is a meaningless boast about something not within his power. He can’t order the Ukraine to negotiate and he can’t stop other countries that are funding them. Much less do it in 24 hours.
The most he can do is cut off US funding, which would be a good thing, but since he's lying about what he can do I don't trust he'll do what he actually can.
Care to make a side bet? I’ll give you 100-1 odds. The bet is whether the following occurs: There is an active Ukraine war on inauguration day, and Trump causes hostilities to stop within 24 hours of taking the oath.
I know, right? Not only is he talking directly to the silent majority who want no part of this war and have no voice in either the State or Big Media, he also might take a month or two to end the war once elected, not 24 hrs. Wow, what a loser!
OK, he gets credit for wanting to cut US funding. And if he can do THAT in two months, that's great.
But you had to go and say "end the war" like he has magical powers to stop two foreign countries from fighting. Some wars he failed to end while in office last time: Armenia vs Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia vs Yemen, Syrian Civil War, etc. And I don't fault him for that, because I know there was not squat he or any other POTUS could do.
The most I'd concede is that by withdrawing US support he could put pressure on Zelensky to negotiate, if other countries don't up their contributions, and if Zelensky sees a negotiation path that does end up with him personally hanging from a lamppost, and if Zelensky isn't himself as delusional as Trump about his own capabilities.
He did get the Abraham Accords between parties who have a pretty well known history of hatred and conflict. So maybe there's something there. Maybe someone who isn't vested in either side has a chance to sit down with Putin and Zelensky and say "what's the end game here?".
End it on Day 1? Probably not but that's typical Trump exaggeration. Instead of realistically saying "I can get them to agree" he has to say "I'll end it on Day 1 of my presidency". Everyone, including him, knows that isn't going to happen, just like "Mexico will pay for the border wall" but that's his style and he seems to get things done.
Either way, the mainstream media will ignore his participation in the process and accuse him of being a stooge for someone, but he doesn't really seem to care.
He’s had a pretty ok record so far not going to war and getting us out of some.
He almost fell for Syria but pivoted just in time. And looking back, I think that was actually the thing that pissed off the Leviathan.
Trump is hated by Democrats and RINOs. Take that away and you'd see his popularity is actually pretty good.
Biden is hated by everyone. Take that away and there's nothing left.
Plus, if true, Trump would be replaced by DeSantis, who Reason assured us is worse.
Biden would be replaced by . . . who - the D's got no one.
"It's unclear even to some inside the West Wing policy process which policy issues reach the president, and how," [said] an anonymous government official.
"However, it's clear to everyone that we are fucked, and how."
"Donald Trump and Joe Biden both seem ripe to be replaced by younger, more competent candidates who evoke less popular revulsion."
Too bad neither party has anyone that fits that bill.
In response to the [D] candidates undeniable incoherence will be....
A long list of "BOAF SIDEZ!!!" indoctrination.
Trumps De-Regulation and Tax-Cuts were Oh SO BAD, SO BAD!!! /s
I guess we’ve forgotten what happened in 2016, and I’m guessing we’re forgetting what happened in 1992.
You might argue that Biden is possible because of Trump (a tenuous argument at absolute best) but Trump is not with us because of Biden. Trump is the inheritor of a populist movement that’s been with us since at least 1992– where Ross Perot got 17% of the popular vote in ’92, creating the pathway for Bill Clinton to become President.
But really, Biden is not here because of Trump, Biden is here because the deep state wanted a diminished candidate that they could puppeteer through their globalist project and somehow they thought they could weekend-at-bernie's against Trump.
They were hoping the kangaroo courts would have made it illegal for him to run, but we still do (to some extent) have an independent judiciary.
Here's what makes Biden possible.
New York Times, in fucking March:
That was an article... from the New York Times, on Joe Biden's cognitive decline.
And hoo boy, Robert Hur situation that the media piled on over? HAHAHAHAAAAAA!
Remember how Biden didn't leave his basement to campaign and still magically managed to win?
Yeah, that's not happening this time.
No, it is not. Had Joe Biden done better at the debate he might have a chance with a Rose Garden campaign, but that is now past. He is either out there or out of office. I am guessing the later.
Dont be too sure.
They definitely cant pull off the same ‘plausible’ deniablity with Biden THIS time.. but the ballot presses are ready to go burrrr… they just need a name. Thats why they are so desperate to get rid of Joe. If he is gone then all those iffy incidents on election night, week months… will be written off as – “well, it was enthusiasm for the new, younger, energetic pick instead of Biden” that caused all those late night ballot surges for the Ds.
I contend thats why all Bidens opponents dropped at once in the last primary season – the Tech Oligarchs et al needed time to have a name on all those prefilled out ballots.
I know - as conspiracy theories go thats a whopper .. but I stand by it.
Yup I'm owning it
Why is "President Harris" looking more and more likely every day? Trump needs a great v.p. pick to win on Nov. 5th (and lots of eyeballs on the ballot counting).
Trump needs a great v.p. pick to win on Nov. 5th (and lots of eyeballs on the ballot counting).
What was wrong with his VP that he won with in 2016? Oh, right.
Thomas Massie would be my pick.
Course he probably has more influence in Congress.
As much as I'd love that, I don't know that his heart would be in it. We don't know how his wife's recent passing will effect his political interests and aspirations.
I’d rather have Rand.
But whoever it is – they have to have at least a portion of the superpower Trump has to stand up to the cabal of Media, Deep State, Swamp Insiders etc.
It takes a special kind of person to be able to do that. I see a little of that in DeSantis who i’d also not be disappointed with.
Just dont want anyone who'd be rolled by the seasoned Pols and press. I dont think the good doctor would be good for that AND it is a possibility that whoever is the choice aslo ends up stepping up and into the prez role in the same way we know would\will happen if Biden were to be appointed by the election officiators.
The AIPAC zionists won't allow Rand Paul anywhere near the White House. There's still much ethnic cleansing oops I meant security to be achieved.
We need Rand in the senate. And about 50 more of him.
[I was talking about Ben Carson]
Also a good pick.
And play a lot of Elsa Kurt videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_I-ZcHMTaU
Of course, the real problem here isn't just the candidates, but parties and a political system that deliver such flawed options to a nation of 330 million people. If the best they can come up with are people who are viable political contenders only because they balance each other's awfulness, a better means of winnowing political hopefuls is in order, as is wider access to the ballot for potential contenders.
The primary process has been a farce for as long as I've been old enough to vote. (>30 years) Sometimes it is not at all competitive. It isn't just that incumbent presidents have not been seriously challenged in my lifetime in their party's primaries. The months-long process of media shows, primary debates, fundraising from wealthy donors, unions, and corporations, and the all-important pandering to voters in Iowa and New Hampshire for months often has the field limited to just a handful of viable candidates well before anyone casts a single vote. And then, the primaries drag on for another few months once only a single candidate can realistically win anymore.
The voters in primaries are also substantially different from the whole electorate that votes in the general elections. Between states that have closed primaries, where one can only vote in the primary of their registered party, and a general lack of interest at those early stages by the general population, it is the most politically committed and most partisan voters that select the nominee. And even then, a non-incumbent nominee might have little more than a majority of the votes, and sometimes less than a majority. (Hillary and Biden got 55% and 51% of the Democratic Party primary votes, while Trump got 45% in 2016.)
Just like the Electoral College, though, primaries award more delegates to the convention for the plurality winner of earlier primary states, and it becomes plurality winner-take all well before the nomination is mathematically wrapped up, from what I recall.
The parties don't want a real, competitive primary process. Their argument is that it would sap energy and funds and not result in a unifying nominee better positioned to do well in the general election. While true to an extent, making delegates won be strictly proportional to the votes would also take power away from the party elites that can shower money on their preferred candidates, get them more and better media coverage, and so on.
I don't think that there is any wealthy western nation that has an election process anywhere near as drawn-out as ours. Even aside from the problems with the system I argue above, it is also ridiculous how much of an elected official's term is spent running for re-election instead of doing the fucking job.
Change is only going to happen if voters demand it, though. As long as politicians can get people to vote for them under the current system, those politicians will fight to keep the system as it is. They will tell their constituents that changing the system would benefit the other side. But that should be irrelevant. A better system benefits all voters in the long run, because it makes their votes matter more.
Yep.. The United States is a Union of States not a Union of urban dwellers (paper pushers) scheming to steal/enslave rural production – thank goodness.
Oh wait. After FDR I’m not sure that’s true anymore.
Somewhere the USA got conquered and ‘democracy’ took over the US Constitution.
The USA isn’t failing us; the Democratic [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] is what is failing us.
"democracy" has been fetishized, much like military service.
I dont think the founders had such a vaunted view of 'democracy'
Well Said +1000000. I like you phrase that 'fetishized'.
Somewhere the USA got conquered and ‘democracy’ took over the US Constitution.
Ersatz:
I dont think the founders had such a vaunted view of ‘democracy’
I hear Republicans and right wing pundits use the word "democracy" to describe the U.S. form of government all of the time. It is a perfectly good generic term for the idea that citizens choose their leaders in elections, rather than the leaders being chosen by an aristocracy, the wealthy, or other elites. I was pointing out how the primaries are not representative of what most voters want, because most voters don't go to vote in primaries. They have good reasons for that, mainly being that people get sick of campaigns lasting more than a year and so they opt out of the preliminary part of it that gets skewed by party rules anyway.
The criticism of 'democracy' that you refer to from some Founders was centered around giving that kind of political power to the masses. At that time, most people did not receive an education much past primary grades, if any. Having layers of representatives between the average citizen and real political power was their idea of a "republican" form of government. Would you accept that now? That only some citizens got to vote, especially ones with enough wealth to own land, as it was in some states at the Founding?
The arguments I see around here are about 'democracy' giving too much power to urban citizens, so it is good that we have the Electoral College, equal representation in the Senate regardless of a state's population, and so on. I'm sure that it is just a coincidence that this set up favors the party closest to your political views. I mean, it sure wouldn't be great to be seen as preferring this structure only because it means you don't have to get as many votes as the other side in order to control the government...
Care to mention the ‘good’ of the US Constitution having a Bill of Rights and enumerated powers (LIMITED) and 3-branches of checks and balances all swearing an oath of office to follow the documented ‘?gov-dictation?’ / Supreme Law of the Land / The will of the people *over* their [WE] mob majority RULES government ?
Or is the very definition of a USA completely off your radar?
Is it not remarkable that a rank political outsider was able to win the Republican nomination and the presidency? He needed to be wealthy and instantly recognizable, but hey, nobody's perfect.
It was also helpful that the Murdochs must have figured that they'd get big ratings having Trump on air all the time in the primaries. And then they got great ratings covering the Trump Show after he won.
The problem with the R primaries is they are mostly winner take all. In 2016, Trump charged to a big lead with "wins" of 34%. The system is designed to propel their favored Uniparty candidate to a quick win, so those pesky Ron Paul types don't give the people a chance to "have too much to think."
The problem with the D primaries is the "superdelegates." They have the appearance of a more "democratic" process with proportional delegates, but the party brass can pretty much pick whomever they want in the end.
They're both the illusion of choice. But D's are evil while R's are stupid, so the R's ended up with Trump after failing to fix their own process for 8 years. Also, Trump is a response to the Washington DC and elite attitude of "The beat-downs will continue until your morale improves, you worthless peasants."
Frankly the only time I liked Trump was when he promised retribution and revenge. Frankly, that sounds f**ing awesome compared to what we have now. I'll take ten. Unfortunately, he backpedaled on the comment and said he just meant "a good economy." Womp, womp.
"Joe Biden and Donald Trump Make Each Other's Candidacies Possible."
Uh...no.
Biden's performance at last Thursday's debate can only be described as an abortion, making Trump look good.
Biden is unelectable, and even Nazi Pelosi dumped him this morning.
I've said before, the only reason the Republicans don't have the election sewn up after Biden's performance in the debate is because Donald Trump is the Republican nominee. If any other candidate was the nominee they'd have this thing in the bag. It is only their choice to nominate a worthless, incompetent, and massively unpopular candidate like Trump that has given Biden or whoever replaces him a fighting chance.
I am baffled by the extreme fear and hatred of Biden on the right. I can't understand how Biden can motivate any strong emotion on either side. He's the most milquetoast, white bread candidate its possible to nominate. There's no reason to be scared of him at all (or at least, there wasn't before his cognitive decline was revealed), it's as dumb as when progressives acted terrified of Romney in 2012. Yet Republicans insist as behaving like he is Trump's left-wing doppleganger, instead of a moderate centrist.
cant tell if your musings are self deception or gaslighting...
Pretty sure Biden destroyed practically everything Trump did.
Trump enforced the border; Biden destroyed it.
Trump exited the Paris Accord; Biden re-joined it.
Trump opened up the oil market; Biden shut-down pipelines.
Trump cut EPA funding; Biden doubled it.
Then Biden 'forgave' student loan debt in complete contrast to the Supreme Court not only destroying the very fabric of the USA's check and balances but also robbing citizens for student welfare.
These are just off-the-head instances .... The list goes on and on and on and on... Don't tell me Biden isn't a threat to the nation.
Problem is; your comment shows nothing about policy and is entirely founded on personal characteristics. You just as well said, "So long as Hitler is a beauty queen why is anyone afraid of Hitler."
I don't think you understood Ghatanathoah's point. Those are all ordinary policy differences. The side that wins gets to implement their policy, to at least some extent. That is the point of having elections. What I took from his comment is that it has become standard rhetoric to talk about the opposition "destroying" the country with their policies. Besides being hyperbolic and fearmongering, it simply isn't true. The U.S. has often had a Congress and/or President that ended up making what we now think are large policy mistakes (with the benefit of hindsight, especially). We have elections every 2 years for Congress (all House seats and 1/3 of the Senate seats) and 4 years for President to give voters a chance to look at the results and change their minds.
But if each of the two parties is spending all of its time talking about how dangerous the opposing party is, policy doesn't break through the noise in the media. And the vast majority of voters end up making their choices based on who they hate and fear the least. That is not how better policy gets made.
Yet again. You completely and totally ignore that there is a documented definition to what the USA is as totally stated in the other comment you replied too; Democrats ‘democracy’ is what is destroying the very definition of the USA and you have yet to actually acknowledge the problem.
What do you think the USA is anyways? What separates it from any other run-of-the-mill nation? How’s it suppose to be “the land of the free” when you won’t even acknowledge how that’s suppose to be enforced?
Disliked candidates surely represent the worst for America.
What America should stand for is nothing short of justice, and therefore literacy makes up a significant history and immediately accessible database of public fact for anyone seeking fairness by way of harm's superfluid reduction.
"Liberty and Justice for all"
It really is that simple.
....NOT....
[Na]tional So[zi]al[ism]
"[WE] majority gangsters using Gov-Guns for criminal armed-theft"