Brickbat: Are You Sure That's You?

A federal judge has awarded $1.5 million to a family after their two children, a boy and a girl who are U.S. citizens, were wrongly detained at the U.S.-Mexico in 2019. The family lives in Mexico, but the children attend school in the United States. As they attempted to cross the border as they regularly do, Customs and Border Patrol agents stopped them because they believed the photo on the then-9-year-old girl's passport was not of her. She was taken into a room and interrogated by a single agent, a violation of CBP policy, which was not recorded. She reportedly confessed that the girl on the passport was her cousin. The children were finally released after their mother began giving interviews to the media.
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So this is a bit confusing. These are the children of foreign nationals crossing the border daily to make use of our very expensive "free" education? And one was identifying herself as someone else? And we gave them 1.5 million tax dollars? And that girl in the photo is THE girl or a more photogenic American girl? Something seems left out.
Based on other articles, it appears the passport was in fact hers, and the (false) confession was that she was actually a cousin being smuggled across the border.
None of the sources list the school they attended, it may well be a private school.
And that girl in the photo is THE girl or a more photogenic American girl?
The girl in the photo is clearly holding an EU passport and looks more Germanic or Nordic than Slavic or Mediterranean (or American or Spanish) to me.
The art on the story is just a placeholder. Like our current president.
The art on the story makes more sense.
Right. Clearly not the girl or a more photogenic American girl both prima facie *and* customarily.
This was Tijuana, so I assume the schools in question are California.
California allows undocumented children to attend public school.
IIRC Arizona also has a policy of educating any child who shows up to school. It was intended to recognize that many extended families lived literally "on" the border and Arizona didn't bother with keeping track of exactly who lived where.
IOW, the families were there before the border was.
That said, in this case the kids are US citizens.
U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel ruled that the agency falsely imprisoned two United States citizens — Julia, who was then 9, for 34 hours and her brother, Oscar, who was then 14, for roughly 14 hours.
I'm assuming the 9 yr old girl confessed to something that wasn't true, as 9 yr old's shouldn't be interrogated without adults/lawyers present because they're easily manipulated.
Unless you're pushing them into having a uterus or penis cut off, or telling them they can get on the pole, then it's 100% ok.
Looks to be that way, from other sources, the CBP was interrogating the boy about his family in Mexico, and he mentioned a cousin the same age as his sister. CBP decides the sister *was* the cousin, and manipulates both of them into falsely confessing such.
If you want to see exactly how horrible it is to interrogate a child alone in a room, read up on Dale Akiki.
Kids will agree to an awful lot when they are led by the interrogator. Not only will they agree, but with enough stress, they can actually come to believe the false information. In Dale Akiki's case, they had the kids so convoluted they were testifying that he slaughtered a giraffe in the basement of the church.
You never, ever, let a cop talk to your kid alone. That border patrol officer should lose her job, if you ask me.
I had not looked into that case although I am familiar with the McMartin case, which has similarly ridiculous elements (flying witches, kids being flushed down toilets to the "torture rooms" and so forth)
I knew one of the kids from the McMartin case as an adult.
She’s… fucked in the head. I hate to say that, she was always nice to me, but it did lasting damage. So I might be a little overboard when I write about interrogating kids. Take my BS with a grain of salt.
Not that confusing.
The kids are Americans. They have US Passports, they go to school here. They live in Tijuana.
This is super common. LOTS of Americans live in TJ and work or go to school in the US. Has been my whole life, lots of mixed-citizenship families, dual citizens, and the like, and the TJ crossing is one of the busiest border crossings in the world.
I have at least five or six dual citizen friends, two who own property down there (one in Tecate, one in Rosarito) and literally just met a couple of kids last week who live in TJ and are going to school at San Diego State because it's so much cheaper living at home and dealing with the traffic than living near the school.
My only problem with giving them 'Tax dollars" is that the repercussions don't trickle down to the unit and, specifically, the agent who did the interrogation. You don't interrogate children alone, or like you would an adult, period. It's not just against protocol, it's wrong, for very good reasons and the people committing the violation of rights should have to pay. There's no disincentive to police abuse if the pain isn't felt down at the level of the cop and his superiors.
Joe, is that you.....?
For three years, Drooler Joe's advisors, aided by a compliant media, hid the fact that Drooler Joe is a cognitive mess. Drooler Joe is a lawyer.
Would you trust Drooler Joe to write your will? Yeah, I thought so.
Drooler Joe has got to go.
Why are we supposed to hold law enforcement internal policies sacrosanct if they can't even be bothered to follow them?
Or even record them.
The policy was recorded but the violation wasn't.
See the comma after the word "policy".
So your saying the mother entered the US illegally, dropped a couple of anchor babies here so they could get free schooling and now lives back in Mexico. Taxpayers now have to pony up $1.5 million for a kid that had a fake passport? If the kid is a US citizen then why did she have a fake passport?
It wasn't a fake passport, also nothing indicates the mother entered the US illegally, nor that the children attend public school.
The story said she had her cousins picture on the passport. Was it or was it not her?
It was her photo on her passport, if you'd actually read any of the news stories you'd know that.
I read the story above. The picture of a little blond haired, blue eyed munchkin is not even close to the real picture I bet but forgive me for thinking Reason would post facts not made up information.
U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel ruled that the agency falsely imprisoned two United States citizens — Julia, who was then 9, for 34 hours and her brother, Oscar, who was then 14, for roughly 14 hours.
Ohhhhhhhhh.... Look at the cute little girl.
Surely her family deserves to win the US lottery.
Oh yeah; the emotional sympathy factor is all over this article.
It would seem a few facts are missing.
At the grammatical level, a few nouns are missing:
were wrongly detained at the U.S.-Mexico in 2019
Welcome to Reason Magazine.
There are no borders. Article: Accurate.
In fact, fuck it, that’s what I’ll now call that sort-of-kind-of geographical location where a lot of people seem to be hanging around: The US-MEXICO.
New Reason in-joke, established, bitchez.
Because all your social constructs are belong to fuck you that’s why:
Between Cinco de Mayo and Junteenf it’s plural “The US-Mexico have…”, otherwise, singular “The US-Mexico has…”. Further, everyone from the region are identified by the demonym “US-Mexicanx”. For clarity, pronounced “EWE-ESS-MEK-SKANKS”, not “EWE-ESS-MEK-SEH-CAN-ECKS”.
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If the children were not US citizens, California may have required that they enroll on a school, anyway. Due to Plyler v Doe the local districts would have had to accept them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe
They are citizens though.
"a boy and a girl who are U.S. citizens, were wrongly detained at the U.S.-Mexico in 2019."
They were detained at the U.S.-Mexico what?
The Reason AI editor bot auto-deleted the word "border".
Of course it did because "border". There are no borders for the tools at Reason. The kids are anchor babies getting all our free stuff while living in a foreign country. Let's talk about Illegal Aliens screaming
Ai Chihuahua and dropping a kid on our soil and whether that is actually a citizen or not. I say not.
She confesses under torture or who knows what that her photo was actually of her cousin? I do not think that confessions extracted against the explicit rules contain valid information, no matter how politically profitable they may be. However, if the federal agent has a right in DC to perform such extraordinary renditions without formal representative procedures, I wish he would name that right in the district or state that the confession was illicitly obtained wherein.