Presidential Debate Debacle Was a Great Argument for Smaller Government
It’s impossible to reconcile big-government dreams with the reality of the clowns who rule us.

Most coverage of last week's geriatric cage match of a debate focuses on the impact of Joe Biden's obvious cognitive and physical decline on his prospects as the Democratic presidential candidate. More important though, is that he is currently the U.S. president, supposedly exercising the (excessive) responsibilities of that office, including reacting to firestorms foreign and domestic in an increasingly crisis-rich environment. That he's clearly incapable of doing anything of the sort, and that many government officials obviously covered for his deficiencies, is disturbing and bodes poorly for some Americans' preferences for an even bigger and more active state headed by this country's political class.
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Disagreement Over the Role of Government
"Among registered voters, large majorities of Biden supporters – roughly three-quarters or more – favor a bigger, more activist government," Pew Research reported June 24. "Trump supporters, by comparable margins, take the opposing view."
Specifically, among registered voters, 74 percent of Biden supporters want a bigger government providing more services, while 23 percent want a smaller government providing fewer services. Seventy-six percent say government should do more to solve problems, while 23 percent believe government is doing too many things better left to businesses and individuals. Eighty percent insist government aid to the poor does more good than harm, and 18 percent disagree, saying government aid to the poor does more harm than good.
The opinions of Trump supporters are pretty much the reverse, showing a definite preference for a smaller, less active government. Well, except for Social Security: Eighty-two percent of Biden supporters want Social Security benefits maintained or expanded, and 78 percent of Trump voters agree. With the program expected to become insolvent a decade from now, good luck with that.
Who Should Manage That Government?
Arguments about the role of government are as American as barbecue, and both natural and necessary for any political system. But among the premises of advocacy for a big, intrusive state is that government officials can be trusted to exercise authority competently and benignly. It's a difficult argument to swallow for anybody aware of the frequency with which government mishandles and abuses power. The case for a "bigger, more activist government" becomes that much more ludicrous when the country's highest elected official is revealed to be mentally unfit, and it's obvious that those around him lied about his condition—almost certainly so they could assume the duties of his office themselves.
"The president appeared on Thursday night as the shadow of a great public servant," The New York Times, a long-established newspaper that has come to function as a Democratic party newsletter, editorialized after the debate. "He struggled to explain what he would accomplish in a second term. He struggled to respond to Mr. Trump's provocations. He struggled to hold Mr. Trump accountable for his lies, his failures and his chilling plans. More than once, he struggled to make it to the end of a sentence."
"The confidants and aides who have encouraged the president's candidacy and who sheltered him from unscripted appearances in public should recognize the damage to Mr. Biden's standing and the unlikelihood that he can repair it," the Times editorial board added as it called for him to bow out of the race.
Unfit To Run, or To Rule
Like so many observers, the Times emphasized Biden's unfitness to be a candidate. But, if he's in no condition to run for office, then it's a given that exercising the responsibilities of the office he holds, including managing the executive branch, negotiating with foreign leaders, and responding to international provocations, is now beyond his capabilities.
And what does that say about the people around him who, aided by allies in the media, falsely insisted that video clips of the president staring into space, wandering off, and losing his train of thought were deceptively edited "cheap fakes"? They did this even while discussing Biden's fitness among themselves, according to The Wall Street Journal, and while brushing off warnings from foreign officials who voiced concerns after meeting with the president.
These are the people we're supposed to entrust with a "bigger, more activist government?" It's difficult to envision a scenario in which a fading old politician and the dishonest schemers concealing his condition from the public exercise authority wisely, effectively, and in good faith.
Plenty of Unfitness To Go Around
Of course, Joe Biden's leading opponent, Donald Trump, has his own issues. When he's not exaggerating, he's lying about election fraud, public opinion on abortion, his own history of nasty comments, his fiscal record in office, and more (when Biden lies, we're assured, they're "tall tales"). The former president has also had more than a few senior moments of his own recently, confusing names and events, though not as frequently or jarringly as the incumbent. Americans have noticed.
"A majority of adults are concerned about both Biden's and Donald Trump's mental capability to serve effectively as president," AP-NORC pollsters found in March. Sixty-three-percent were "not very/not at all confident" in Biden's mental fitness, and 57 percent said the same of Trump.
But it's easier to reconcile a fading, honesty-challenged presidential candidate with a desire for "a smaller government providing fewer services" than it is to credibly claim that an even more badly eroded politician and his unethical minions are exactly the sort of folks you want presiding over an all-powerful state. Frankly, a healthy cynicism about the competency and the decency of government officials is a credible response to what was on display on Thursday evening when Biden spent 90-plus minutes demonstrating that he and his supporters had been lying about his mental and physical fitness to not only run for a second term, but to carry out the duties of office right now.
And if Trump's comparatively less-bad performance still didn't fill you with confidence that he's a person you want presiding over a bigger, more activist government, that's the appropriate take, too. He didn't face-plant like his opponent, but the former president gave us every reason to believe that, under his control, a smaller, less-involved government is preferable for reasons ideological, practical, and involving self-preservation.
The belief that government should do more, provide more, and embrace us all in a warm and nurturing embrace requires an enormous leap of faith. At the least, those exercising such vast power must be wise and well-intentioned. As last week's debate reminded us, that's a wildly unrealistic assumption.
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Does this mean Loose Borders Biden won't get as much support from Koch-funded libertarians as he did in 2020? 🙁
#StrategicallyAndReluctantly
Biden is doing exactly what the Libertarian Party needs. Shattering the Democrats. If he runs there will be a lot of moderate dems looking for a better option. That won't be Trump. But the gay libertarian dude just might be alright for them. If they drop Biden and replace him with another old white dude the extreme left will boycott the Dems and vote Green Party. If they drop Biden and go with Harris then the party may implode. Their convention could break into actual violence.
I'd say the reluctant strategy worked out great.
If you really want to reduce government power and control over everything then the first step is to remove their funding, money is power.
Stop all private funding of government and politicians.
Without having their hands in the deep pockets of the deep state they will lose their attractiveness to the corrupt.
Then see the support for Israel vanish.
If you want to know who controls the government just see what group wins regardless of the outcome of the election.
Yeah, because no one would donate to politicians if political donations were banned....
"the gay libertarian dude just might be alright for them"
I'm looking forward to seeing how this works out in vote % in November. Color me skeptical.
Gunfag’s going to be lucky to beat the margin of error this election.
0.5% is the over/under
Unless Biden backs out, the dems have two choices. Vote for Biden or stay home. I'm sure many dems will hold their nose and vote Biden as the anyone but Trump vote.
This.
The Dems that are serious will hold their nose and vote Biden. But Dems are like herding cats ... they will scatter at the least provocation and will protest vote / performance theater vote themselves out of competition.
The question is will Reps do the same ? I can never tell how serious the Never-Trumpers are.
RFK Jr is a Democrat, and didn't push the COVID craziness.
Keep up the ignorant hope Mike.
That won’t be Trump. But the gay libertarian dude just might be alright for them.
lol, yea they're going to go with the pedo twink. Right. And over here I have this fantastic bridge for sale.
What debate?
It was a national humiliation in front of the world.
Debate, my ass.
Invoke the 25th amendment now.
Who knows, enough moderates from both sides might just vote Libertarian as a protest vote. Not to get hopes up because the major parties have a lot of sneaky shit they can do but maybe that debate will be the straw that finally breaks the two Party back.
"the straw that finally breaks the two Party back."
You truly believe this? Bridge for sale in NYC for you.
He is an idiot. Nobody believes this.
This is a zero percent chance that happens, and if you think there is a chance I'd submit you are wholly ignorant of American politics.
GayJay, possibly the most mainstream LP candidate ever, could not break 3.3% in the popular vote when it was Hillary/Trump as the major candidates. If that is the past, there is no reason to expect better in the future.
I'm sure it's from before your time, but Ross Perot did better than that and nobody really knew who the fuck he was. As a reminder, he got something like 18.9% of the popular vote.
https://babylonbee.com/news/dems-stick-with-biden-as-it-would-be-a-real-pain-to-reprint-these-ballots-they-already-filled-out
I especially liked the "33% of Americans dumber than a bag of hammers" article. That was funny.
The Babylon Bee is the most reliable news source now.
I get confused, because they occasionally throw in an article that is parody.
But usually Democrats come to their rescue and turn their articles to at least "mostly true".
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-indicted-for-murdering-elderly-man-on-cnn
Yes, one of the odd things about a democracy is that we elect the least honest and talented to rule us. Yet some people think there aren’t enough morons bossing us around. Go figure.
As far as the election goes, you can’t unring a bell. People saw what they saw at the debate. A vote for Biden has a strong chance of being a vote for Harris to finish his term. Does anyone really think Trump would lose to Harris?
I'm guessing it will turn to It's more important than ever that the legal system prevents Trump from winning.
You'll see more angst with the slow moving legal system and more people saying the quite part out loud.
As Abe Lincoln said, "you can fool all of the people some of the time, and enough of the people all of the time."
I bet Abe never got to the point where he said, "Fuck it. Just promise them free stuff."
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But you also wrote:
So if that's what his backers want, what difference does it make that he's not the person they'd want presiding over a bigger, more activist government? He may not be the person they'd want to fix their cars, either, but that's not the job they want him for anyway.
^THIS. It's amazing how Reason can keep peddling their "small government" in complete ignorance to Trumps De-Regulation efforts.
What Trump Deregulation? Fat Donnie larded up the government. Go back and read Stossel's article.
^Point & Case “complete ignorance”.
I’m sure you are well aware of Trumps exit from the Paris Accord, The Tax-Cuts, Cutting EPA funding, Allowing oil, Initiating a De-Regulation Committee (Dismiss 2 for 1), etc, etc, etc…..
"small government" and "six trillion dollar budget" don't exactly go together.
Not once did the Trump Administration ([R]-trifecta) deficit over $1T until the Democrat written Cares Act. The Biden administration has yet to run under 1.4T and is making $2T the standard.
You may have a point; but your point is washed completely away by contrasting the ‘other’ options.
Why would we weaken the government when we could just shore up the unelected bureaucracy? People now know Biden is feeble and will continue to vote for him because they want powerful institutions that can run without a President.
Also it’s a scathing indictment of the argument for 4 years ago that “Libertarians should vote for Joe Biden because he’ll be a weaker President.” Weak presidents aren’t the same thing as a weakened executive branch, and a weak president just leaves them more room to operate without any supervision or accountability.
A vote for Biden is a vote for unelected handlers to rule the executive branch. That's not democratic.
Upon questioning you will find a lot of liberal that claim democracy is in danger have little to now understanding about what democracy is.
Many have little problem with unelected bureaucrats in federal agencies doing the job their elected officials that actually represent them were elected to do. They see the bureaucrats as people who can usurp the representation of the people when they don't get what they want from Congress.
^THIS. And it's amazing how they continue to pretend the USA is but a 'democracy' instead of a *Constitutional* Republic.
I think we'll find that when Democrats say 'Democracy is in danger' what they actually mean isn't democracy, but rather rule by a priest class. They are theocrats at heart, which is one reason they hate Christians so much. They simply don't like the competition.
They don't hate Muslims because they are notably afraid of Muslims, rather like they're afraid of black people or any other ethnic minority that doesn't present as white.
It's ironic, I know, but it's observably true. It's left to the reader to figure out why they think those groups don't have any agency or autonomy while they think Christians have full agency and autonomy, but one suspects the reason is because they are actually quite stupid. After all, this is the same group of people who can't figure out what a woman is.
Dumb and Dumber. We are so fucked.
Technically our laws are created and enforced by people elected to do so.
Unfortunately the government is actually run by bureaucrats.
White House 3am Phone rings:
[Hysterical voice] "This is Bibi. Iran just nuked Tel Aviv! Rouse the president."
Dr. Jill: "That's terrible news. Can you call back around 10am; we will have Joe up and functioning by then?"
Are you trying to get nardz and misek aroused?
Not really. Just waiting for someone to say having a non-functional president, leader of the free world, is much better than having some guy who sends out mean tweets and hyperbolizes everything.
Having the country run by a committee of people we know nothing about is nowhere in the constitution. Some of them are not old enough to run for president, clearly unconstitutional.
Shit floats.
Yes, small government is preferred.
Yet reason keeps agitating for culture issues to be ruled on at the federal level. So as long as people feel their way of life is threatened by who controls the federal seat, the bigger it will be because that’s where the focus is.
Stop pushing local issues to the Supreme Court and subsidize.
The Supreme Courts very job is the LIMITS (small government).
No argument it has been doing the worse possibly job at such; but that's still precisely why it exists.
Which agitates for control of the federal government. There exist State supreme courts, too.
"A majority of adults are concerned about both Biden's and Donald Trump's mental capability to serve effectively as president," AP-NORC pollsters found in March.
Yeah keep running with that BOAF SIDEZ Reason.
Does Reason have some kind of discount talking points notification system? Biden’s mentally unfit to serve, even legacy media is dealing with it, eagerly waiting for the next coordinated step. Trump shows no signs of cognitive decline outside of what pollsters “find”, and certainly fucking not at the last debate.
The DNC will come up with a plan soon though, so you guys might want to have the interns check your spam folders more frequently.
Fuck me, just read todays’ Liz Wolfe article, and she details the talking points email they received about the debate.
La chingada
So is Jill in charge? It's not Kamala, she's been side-lined for a long time.
Everyone talks about the Deep State, but Joe still has to sign the documents, Joe still has to be told what to sign. Is it Jill?
Nancy covered for Ronald, who knows how many times she told Ronald to "just sign here?"
The DNC installed cabinet is in charge. They tell him what to sign. He has no idea what is going on.
Also a great argument for a mandatory government retirement age of 70.
Trump lied repeatedly and the factcheckers are competing with each other to log the most egregious . Meanwhile Biden gave the most outstanding performance of "Weekend at Bernie's" that the world has ever seen.
Everybody who participated , watched, or in any way experienced this debacle , has officially taken an "L". You will never get your 90 minutes back.
If the majority of Biden supporters are in favor of big government and the majority of Trump supporters are anti-big government, isn't it fair to ask how in the world the LP Presidential candidate is more in line with the former than the latter?
open borders?
Don’t really see how things are any different from four years ago, except that the dems have finally realized their candidate is indeed senile.
Since Trump did nothing in his first term to shrink the size of government, there's no reason to suppose that he will do so going forward. Neither buffoon is fit for office mentally or morally.
I can't fathom why, in the face of almost daily demonstration of that obvious fact, this is so difficult for people to understand.
Both parties could do something about this clown show. Neither has the balls to do so.