In Congress, Debate Rages About How To Prevent the Next Lab Leak
The Biden administration says its new guidance will make pandemic research safer. Critics say it suffers the same flaws as past, failed gain-of-function regulations.

At a hearing held by the U.S. Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee on the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic earlier this week, Sen. Mitt Romney (R–Utah) asked why there's "so much energy" around the question of whether the pandemic began in a lab or spilled over from a natural source.
"We'll never be 100 percent sure about one or the other," said Romney. "Given that it could have been either, we know what action we need to take to protect from either….One, we should clean up the wet markets. And two, tighten the labs."
In recent months, the idea that COVID might have originated from a lab, and specifically the Wuhan Institute of Virology, has been upgraded in the discourse from a "conspiracy theory" to a plausible explanation for how the pandemic began.
Simultaneously, people who are often skeptical or agnostic about a lab leak have argued that definitively answering the question of COVID's origins is of secondary importance. Rather, we should be focused on preventing the next pandemic.
In this vein, last month, the Biden administration released new guidance for how research-funding agencies like the National Institutes of Health (NIH) should vet proposed experiments involving pathogens of enhanced pandemic potential—the subset of so-called "gain of function" research that could potentially cause a disease outbreak via a lab leak.
This new guidance "will enable the oversight system for research involving biological agents and toxins to better address these risks," reads the text of the White House's new policy.
Critics of the new policy argue that it suffers from the same flaws that undermined past government guidance on the funding of potentially pandemic-causing gain-of-function research.
"The administration says that this is done. 'We've issued some guidance, we've changed some of the recommendations from NIH, and we've fixed the problem'," Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) tells Reason. "The problem is that's sort of the fox fixing the problems for regulating the hen house."
The federal government has gone through multiple policies intended to subject gain-of-function research on potential pandemic pathogens to some risk-benefit analysis and to prevent funding of the most dangerous experiments.
That includes the Obama administration's pause on gain-of-function research funding in 2014 and the later Framework for Guiding Funding Decisions about Proposed Research Involving Enhanced Potential Pandemic Pathogens (P3CO) in 2017.
Both the Obama administration pause and the P3CO framework have widely been considered to be ineffective. Both policies ultimately left the NIH in charge of deciding which of the experiments it funds should get additional, outside review.
Under the now-superseded P3CO framework, the NIH sent only three research proposals up the chain to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) for risk-benefit analysis. The NIH greenlit everything else that plausibly should have been sent up the chain for review.
Most controversially, that includes NIH-funded research conducted by the New York–based nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China, which involved creating hybrid SARS-like viruses capable of infecting human lung cells.
Proponents of the lab leak origins of COVID point to this research as likely leading to the creation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the Wuhan lab. This research would pretty plainly seem to implicate both the 2014 pause and the later P3CO framework. But when the NIH became aware of EcoHealth's work creating new viruses, it continued to fund the work without ever sending its experiments up the chain for additional review.
Even skeptics of the lab leak origins of COVID-19 argue that the NIH's continued funding of EcoHealth's Wuhan work revealed a weakness in federal oversight of pandemic research.
The Biden administration has since stripped EcoHealth of federal funding over its failure to report all of its experiments to its NIH funders and its failure to properly oversee the work of its subgrantees at the Wuhan lab.
The Biden administration's new policy on the funding of pandemic research is intended to correct for these flaws in the past system by expanding the list of pathogens and biological agents of potential concern and making it more explicit when the NIH should send research involving those pathogens up the chain to the HHS for additional, department-level review.
"There is a little bit more clarity that anything that's identified [as a potential pandemic pathogen] needs to be sent directly up to department-level review," Gregory Koblentz, a biosafety expert and George Mason University professor who testified at this week's Senate COVID origins hearing, told Reason back in May.
Nevertheless, he says, "there's still a lot of latitude for researchers and for the funding agencies, to decide if something is an experiment of concern," he said. "There's still going to be a lot of judgment calls. There's still going to be a lot of room for decisions that might not be unanimous."
In that way, the Biden administration's latest policy would seem to suffer from the same core flaws of the Obama administration pause and the P3CO framework: The NIH and the researchers it funds are still in the position to decide which experiments get additional review and which don't.
"The people that are overseeing the research need to be independent of the grant-making process," says Paul. "If you're receiving and dispensing [research] grants, which runs into billions of dollars, you're conflicted. It's just too hard for you to make the decision."
Paul is currently drafting legislation that would create an independent body tasked with vetting potentially dangerous pandemic research.
The scientists who are the most publicly skeptical of a lab leak origin of COVID-19 will often argue that overly zealous oversight of government research funding could unnecessarily hamper life science research.
"You're going to really cripple the biomedical research enterprise" if you define gain-of-function research subject to additional regulation too broadly, said Robert Garry, a researcher and associate dean of medicine at Tulane University, at the hearing earlier this week.
Garry was one of the authors of the influential, controversial "proximal origin" piece published in Nature in March 2020 that dismissed the idea that SARS-CoV-2 could have been man-made.
Recently uncovered communications show the authors of the proximal origins paper, including Garry, were much more open to the idea of a lab leak in their private conversations than they were in drafting that paper.
The fact that those conducting and funding potentially dangerous pandemic research have for so long successfully resisted independent oversight of their work is why the investigation into the lab leak origins of COVID is so important, argues Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist and professor at Rutgers University who testified at the hearing this week.
"Only after there is an acknowledgment that there is a very real possibility, not a remote possibility, of a lab origin, will there be a political will to impose regulation on this scientific community that has successfully resisted and obstructed regulation for two decades," he said in response to Romney's question about why a lab leak matters.
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Don't fund this kind of research in corrupt, 3rd world countries.
Why is this so confusing?
Or anywhere
All options are on the table EXCEPT holding those responsible for covid 19 accountable for the deaths of over 1 million US citizens and 7 million people worldwide.
How do you punish people who don’t recognize ethical boundaries, satanists to whom there is no difference between right and wrong?
A conspiracy of this magnitude has thousands of participants who did everything from signing NDA’s to keep secrets to coordinating the work to approving the concept to lying about it during the pandemic.
If you really don’t want this to happen again EVERYONE responsible must be punished.
I suggest they all choose either a 40% cut in pay remaining at work OR 3 years jail time and the loss of their jobs.
Unless you don’t think 7 million lives are worth it.
I was thinking we need to do just a tiny bit more sand fly research.
The motivation is greed and willingness to disregard ethical boundaries, the difference between right and wrong, but also because they are confident that they can get away with it.
If all we did was protest, pester our elected officials and vote, it wouldn’t be enough to effect meaningful change.
We need to change the environment they feel confident in. We need to make our society toxic for the corrupt while still welcoming to the good.
We need to make some laws, using what we have, intelligence, ingenuity and determination to implement a plan that achieves it.
1. Make recording everything we witness a human right.
2. Support the constitution and free speech by defeating all censorship
3. Codify in law how truth is determined with correctly applied logic and science.
4. Strike down any laws that aren’t supported by truth and the constitution.
5. Criminalize lying and ensure that those in power don’t lie.
We outnumber them.
I was waiting for you to blame the Jooossssssss for COVID.
They’ve been ruled against and are on trial in the UN for committing a holocaust in Gaza.
Isn’t that enough proof for now?
Stupid lying Satanic fuck.
Evil terrorists saying someone did something with no physical evidence, video or outside witnesses isn’t proof of anything.
You know what did have mountains of evidence and millions of witnesses though?
The holocaust.
Israel is on trial in the UN International Court of Justice for committing genocide in Gaza. The same court has ruled against them telling them to cease their offensive.
Genocide
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The Genocide Convention establishes in Article I that the crime of genocide may take place in the context of an armed conflict, international or non-international, but also in the context of a peaceful situation.
Netanyahu is responsible for telling the IDF to commit genocide by referencing the Jewish biblical “god approved” genocide of women and children with the story of AMALEK. Clearly inciting genocide. With over 24,000 non combatant women and children intentionally targeted and killed and IDF soldiers on record rejoicing about it referencing Amalek, the effect of Netanyahus instructions are clear.
Israeli defence minister Yoav Gallant said Israel was fighting “human animals” and that they will be “starved of food and water” which Israel has done and continues to do.
Amichay Eliyahu, the minister for heritage, suggested dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza. Israel isn’t supposed to have nuclear weapons. Saddam Hussein was hung for crimes against humanity and he didn’t even have WMD much less threaten to use them.
The country’s mainly ceremonial president, Isaac Herzog, who described Palestinians as “an entire nation out there that is responsible” demonstrates the genocidal intention.
These statements in combination with their actual execution clearly meets the UN definition and criteria for genocide aka holocaust.
ALL nations signatory to the UN genocide convention HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OPPOSE IT. Not deny it and send bombs money and troops to support it.
October 7 was an inside job.
The following video is the best compilation of evidence to date that proves October 7 was an inside job coordinated by Israel as an excuse to commit genocide in Gaza.
https://richardgage911.substack.com/p/new-documentary-on-gaza-october-7
The video proves that Israel, funded, coordinated and enabled the October 7 attacks.
It shows that Israel opened the gate to welcome trucks carrying Hamas through the wall.
It shows how Israel not only ignored repeated warnings from their many surveillance sources but withdrew all defences from the wall and emptied their military bases just hours before the attack and had ZERO response for more than 6 hours.
It shows and proves that the IDF attacked the concert goers and the kibbutz’s with Apache helicopters and tanks.
It shows that they sacrificed dozens of their IDF forces to blame Hamas.
It shows that only handfuls of Hamas soldiers wandered for hours through the evacuated areas looking for soldiers to fight but finding none.
It shows that the hostages that were taken by Hamas said they were treated well.
It shows that Israel has funded Hamas with billions in cash in suitcases in the backs of cars
The only way to prevent the next Plandemic is to prosecute those responsible for the first, convict them, and hang them publicly.
This is not hard.
Stealing trillions and the world superpower is what they got out of the first Plandemic.
There has to be a comparable negative cost to deter the Lizards from doing it again.
Like Ukraine.
Sen. Mitt Romney (R–Utah) asked why there's "so much energy" around the question of whether the pandemic began in a lab or spilled over from a natural source.
Shut the fucking fuck up you fucking hack.
You have to be fucking WEAPONS grade retard to not care about that. Fucking weapons grade.
aye
"Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who!"
Romney is the embodiment of Michael Malice's description of Republicans: They're progressives going the speed limit.
Yeah, but to Democrats he is still “far-right” and a danger to (D)emocracy.
He's literally Hitler.
Some people leaked somethings.
You know who also leaks something?
Joe?
Joy behar?
Because dipshits like him had the government SHUT DOWN any debate over it.
The government violated our rights for something they were fundamentally wrong on.
Romney is just worried that he and the rest of the Lizards will be found out for their crime against humanity.
"What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Who voted for and elected that moron?
.....That's right.
Yeah, I’ll bet mitt wonders about the “energy” around this. Can’t we just leave it in the past?
Fuck. That.
If he thought for a moment that the answer would give him an advantage in any way he'd be all for spending your money on finding out.
Note also that even if we can't settle the question 100% (we can, the wet market is not a viable hypothesis) the likelihoods change the appropriate actions. If there's a 99% chance it's the wet markets then taking actions on lab security is not as big a priority as if it's the other way around. I guess Romney assumes that all possible measures will be taken, regardless of trouble and expense, without reference to how useful they're likely to be.
It's not retardation, it's psychopathy. He doesn't care about consequences to others and he assumes that nobody else does either. The idea that we should find out what went wrong doesn't make sense to him because that knowledge could not be used to advance his interests.
Why is Rand Paul taking to Gene Parmesan?
Somewhere in the great beyond, Jessica Walter just got all excited.
They'll do this publicly, but behind closed doors, they are working even harder to find a way to prevent the next leak of information that will tell us more about the crazy shit they having going on in these government funded labs.
"You're going to really cripple the biomedical research enterprise" if you define gain-of-function research subject to additional regulation too broadly, said Robert Garry, a researcher and associate dean of medicine at Tulane University
... what has the biomedical research enterprise produced that is of any value ... what has the enterprise produced that outweighs the destruction and devastation caused by the most recent pandemic ... cut the funding to zero
It's one of those "If you cannot find any private funding, likely there is a reason why" deals.
what has the biomedical research enterprise produced that is of any value
Tang?
" 'You’re going to really cripple the biomedical research enterprise' if you define gain-of-function research subject to additional regulation too broadly, said Robert Garry, a researcher and associate dean of medicine at Tulane University"
Good. The costs appear to have been millions dead and the benefits don't seem to be that much. Also it's good that lots of people who don't seem to care about the risks to society are going to be losing their careers and prestige. Let it be an object lesson to those that think being corrupt and oblivious to the harm they do is a good career choice.
"There is a little bit more clarity that anything that's identified [as a potential pandemic pathogen] needs to be sent directly up to department-level review," [said] a biosafety expert
"Indeed, there is somewhat more clarity that anything that's misidentified as not a potential life-exterminator needs to be hand-delivered immediately to Top Men for their inhalation."
Both Dr. Paul and Dr. Garry are correct here. The current safeguards are inadequate, but there is a very real risk that too stringent of safeguards can strangle the industry.
There is already a market-oriented solution to this problem: require that these biomedical labs carry adequate liability insurance according to the level of risk associated with the experiments being conducted at that lab. It is still a government mandate to require that insurance, but at least it is not as micro-managing as some ineffectual government organization making these types of decisions (and getting them wrong more often than not).
There is no insurer that could have stayed solvent through the most recent pandemic. The cost was trillions and resulted in a global currency devaluation.
EXACTLY. So the research that took place would never have been approved by any insurance company and therefore would not have taken place.
If everyone just wore masks all the time, leaks wouldn’t be a problem.
Don’t forget about government vaccine mandates.
Social distancing, lockdowns and school closures.
Yup...they made all the difference./s
"require that these biomedical labs carry adequate liability insurance according to the level of risk"
How will we require this in China?
Give them the money to pay for insurance (along with the money to run the labs)?
How will we require this in China?
Knowing Jeff, with a world government and social credit system.
All that matters is what “we” knew in March 2020, not what they knew, right Jeff?
They knew the bear was in the trunk and where it came from.
Asshole.
We now know it was a product of the corrupt lying Fauci.
We now know that the conspiracy theory was correct, so it is time for a new conspiracy theory.
Abolish the NIH. Stop funding the WHO and declare anyone that works for it an enemy agent that has to register as a spy. Don't allow anyone with a government position to benefit from any royalty payments relating to patents obtained while employed by the government. So many things to cut.
this
To get them all, just eliminate the Department of Health and Human services.
All excellent ideas.
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"We'll never be 100 percent sure about one or the other," said Romney. "Given that it could have been either, we know what action we need to take to protect from either….One, we should clean up the wet markets. And two, tighten the labs."
It's interesting that Romney thinks WE should clean up the wet markets, none of which exist in the US.
I would like to know exactly what Romney thinks the US Congress can do to clean up wet markets in Asia.
Step 1: Kill Fauci. Slowly and painfully. And then the next dozen conspirators.
Step 2: (I'll get back to you after we finish with Step 1.)
Step 3. Repeat Step 1, but with all the democrats who accessories after the fact. Get rid of some RINOs too.
Seems just.
What lab leak? I've been assured by TOP MEN that the COVID pandemic was caused by some diseased animal in a Chinese wet market (but don't say that out loud because that's racist).
The fact that there was a gain-of-function research lab working on corona viruses was PURELY a coincidence.
It’s as if there’s no such thing as Occams razor. But when government officials like Fauci are
in need of covering their ass because they are the direct cause of a pandemic, I can see why.
You’ve got that backwards, MO. It was decidedly NOT racist to blame poor Chinese peasants bartering in bat meat for food in some medieval wet market, but VERY racist to blame Chinese scientists and American bureaucrats for covid.
Propagandists like mitt and idiots like Jeff will tell you “we can never be 100% sure”. Jeff is really nuanced that way.
“we can never be 100% sure”
They were pretty sure before, when their preferred theory was on top. Funny how benefit of the doubt only goes one way.
Or just don't pretend like the next lab leak is some existential crisis when it's really just a case of the sniffles. And not just a case of the sniffles - but one that really only targets the fat, old, and already sick.
The one positive thing that came out of the scamdemic is that for the rest of time, everybody will regard "pandemic" as a boy crying wolf.
And I take a great deal of satisfaction in knowing that the boy gets eaten in the end.
It is unlikely that either a lab leak or a Zoonotic transfer will be established as the cause the of the COVID pandemic. So, the reality is we will need to be ready for both. It is also worth remembering that Zoonotic transfer is the most common method for animal pathogens to transfer to humans. This has happened throughout history and will continue.
As a person who worked in laboratories, I know that laboratory safety is an area that should be under continual improvement. Part of that work is determining what type of work can be done and implementing safety procedures that are necessary for the work. Start with the type of work, I would like to see more discussion about Gain of Function and what defines GOF research. It seems that some GOF is deliberate to determine how many vectors are in the chain from the primary organism to humans. This can be important information but is it worth the risk? This should be discussed openly. Second is the indirect GOF where work with an organism yields a more human infectious agent even when that is not the goal of the research. In either case of the direct or indirect GOF part of the goal must be to determine that the lab doing the work has the level of expertise and the safety infrastructure to do the work.
So, in the end rather than just layering on another level of government supervision that might fail, I like to see a more detailed examination of the topic of GOF and work from there to decide how to best get research done and preserve the safety of lab workers and the public.
One last thought, while lab leaks is getting a lot of attention people should keep in mind that powerful pathogens are naturally developing because of unplanned and unregulated human activity. This includes feeding animals antibiotics, human misuse of antibiotics and nosocomial infections. These deserve as much attention as lab leaks.
You have got to be fucking kidding.
This whole episode really exposed the difference between the weak, gullible, statist assholes like you, and people with the common sense to think it through.
So, tell me about common sense, because before Einstein common sense said that the speed of light varied and time was fixed. We know that to be reversed now.
"It is unlikely that either a lab leak or a Zoonotic transfer will be established as the cause the of the COVID pandemic. "
Citation needed. Even if that were true (and it's not) the probability for each possibility matters if we're to make rational choices.
"So, the reality is we will need to be ready for both. "
But what steps we should take depend on the probability of either.
"Start with the type of work, I would like to see more discussion about Gain of Function and what defines GOF research. It seems that some GOF is deliberate to determine how many vectors are in the chain from the primary organism to humans. This can be important information but is it worth the risk? "
Is it important information? We know the evolutionary history of all naturally occurring zoonotic epidemics. We therefore know a lot of information about how they develop. Unless you think we can wipe out the viruses in wild animals why would it matter to know how many steps it would take? What would you use the information for?
"This should be discussed openly. "
Or we could simply ban the research.
"So, in the end rather than just layering on another level of government supervision that might fail, I like to see a more detailed examination of the topic of GOF and work from there to decide how to best get research done and preserve the safety of lab workers and the public."
Why? We know this is dangerous and it's far from clear it's beneficial. Just ban it.
"One last thought, while lab leaks is getting a lot of attention people should keep in mind that powerful pathogens are naturally developing because of unplanned and unregulated human activity."
But that activity didn't cause millions of deaths. Lab leaks did, and the people responsible for them, including those who funded the research, should be held responsible. In any case those if what you point to is a problem it's not like we can't investigate both.
LM you talk about probability, but probability favors the zoonotic transfer because it simply happens more often. A lab leak is a black swan event.
"LM you talk about probability, but probability favors the zoonotic transfer because it simply happens more often. "
Thanks for showing that you are ignorant of science. The fact that something is historically more common doesn't mean it's more likely if we have evidence for either theory. For the wet market to be true there would have to be a bat that somehow got a virus with a feature unique in coronaviruses, didn't infect other bats, got caught and transported all the way to Wuhan (hundreds of miles) without infecting anyone or anything. Then it would have to infect only people, not animals in a wet market full of animals, including, again, other bats. The virus would have to bind stronger to human cells than to bat cells. This didn't happen.
"A lab leak is a black swan event."
Lab leaks happen all the time. They're generally not this bad, but they are VERY common. I would guess far more common than zoonotic viruses arising, but usually not as impactful.
First the suspect vector is not a bat it is the Racoon Dog. How did the Racoon Dogs get infected? Well, most mammals don't turn down a free meal and if a dead bat was laying out on the ground I sure a Racoon Dog would eat it, because they appear to eat anything. Now the Chinese shut down and cleaned up that Wu Haun market quick after the outbreak but DNA from the virus and DNA from the RDs were found in close proximity in the area where the market was located.
Just wait until the next plandemic hits. Then you'll all be sorry, yes you will. Just leave Mr. Romney alone and let him do the job he was elected for./s
In other words, yes, they are planning the next plandemic to take out even more air breathing, worthless eaters either by the disease or by another round of deadly vaccinations.
The real criminals are hailed as saviors.
In recent months, the idea that COVID might have originated from a lab, and specifically the Wuhan Institute of Virology, has been upgraded in the discourse from a "conspiracy theory" to a plausible explanation for how the pandemic began.
Plausible— as in highly unlikely. There are known mechanisms for the incubation of viruses that are not transmittable or infectious to humans in other animal hosts that render them dangerous to humans. Just because Jon Stewart says the virus came from a lab doesn’t mean we shouldn’t trust established theories coming from the fields of epidemiology and virology.
Yeah, everyone needs to lighten up. We have much bigger problems with climate change, misgendering and white supremacy than we do with an oopsie that shut down the world.
Idiot.
What was the oopsie? A lab leak or someone having contact with an infected animal at a wet market? Both are oopsies and both are plausible. Also, zoonotic transfers are common and lab leaks are black swans.
"There are known mechanisms for the incubation of viruses that are not transmittable or infectious to humans in other animal hosts that render them dangerous to humans. "
But those mechanisms can also be used to incubate viruses that ARE transmittable or infections to humans in other animal hosts that render them dangerous to humans. All you've shown is that labs CAN be safe to humans, not that they are.
"Just because Jon Stewart says the virus came from a lab "
Nobody believes it just because of Joh Stewart, they believe it because the overwhelming amount of evidence, from it's origin point far from natural sources but close to a lab, to it's high infectivity in humans compared to bats, to the unique binding site.
"doesn’t mean we shouldn’t trust established theories coming from the fields of epidemiology and virology."
How is the wet market an "established theory"? It's a speculation that was only indulged in because they didn't want to admit to the obvious source. The things that would have to have happened for it to be true are absurd. And it didn't come from "the fields of epidemiology and virology" it came from people covering their asses.
"Sen. Mitt Romney (R–Utah) asked why there's "so much energy" around the question of whether the pandemic began in a lab or spilled over from a natural source."
Well for a start if it will tell us who was right about this and who wasn't. Knowing who can (or will) tell the truth is vital for knowing who to trust in the future. But Romney doesn't understand the whole "consequences of actions" thing.