Don't Freak Out Over Florida Teen Labor Laws
Laws letting teens work longer hours won't have the disastrous effects critics claim they will.

On July 1st, two Florida laws liberalizing the state's restrictions on labor by 16- and 17-year-olds will go into effect. The first law, House Bill 49 allows older teenagers to work longer hours on days when school isn't in session and allows them to work more than 30 hours a week during the school year with a parent or school superintendent's permission. The second law, House Bill 917, allows 16- and 17-year-olds to work in residential building construction.
While the laws have faced pushback from critics who argue that they place teenagers in danger of neglecting their educations, the new laws will primarily work to bring Florida in line with several other states' regulations on teen labor.
While H.B. 49 expands possible working hours, it does contain some protections for working teenagers, requiring that older teens who work more than 8 hours in one day must be given a 30-minute break after four hours of work.
H.B. 917 allows 16- and 17-year-olds to work in residential construction, but only if they have earned an Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) certification, are working under direct supervision, and are "not working on any scaffolding, roof, superstructure, or ladder above 6 feet."
Currently, 30 states have no hourly restrictions on work by 16- and 17-year-olds. When it comes to regulations on construction work by teenagers, many states, including California and Texas allow older teenagers to work on at least some construction sites.
However, this hasn't kept critics from framing these changes as disastrous.
"HB 49 reverses long-standing child labor protections and prioritizes employer interests over the education, safety, and well-being of our youth," Florida American Civil Liberties Union Legislative Director Kara Gross wrote in February. "The bill would undo decades of labor protections currently in place that are meant to protect young people in the workforce."
The reality of working teenagers is hardly the horrifying specter that Gross makes it out to be. Letting teenagers work helps them build important skills—like showing up on time, being a team player, and learning how to deal with challenging customers. The income teenagers gain from holding down an after-school or summer job also provides an important sense of independence and self-sufficiency.
"Jobs, in particular, are good for teens. Answering to a grown-up who is not their parent or dealing with a co-worker whom they may not like—those are experiences that can build a new skill set," Anna Nordberg wrote in The Washington Post in 2022."Plus, to state the obvious, if it's a paid job, they make money."
Further, adults who worked as teens tend to earn more as adults when compared to nonworking peers. A 2014 study found that "for a young adult in high school at the turn of the millennium, 20 hours per week of part-time work in their senior year resulted in annual earnings that were 20 percent higher 6-9 years after graduation, as compared to their fellow students who didn't work."
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How can we turn this into an opportunity to allow 16 yr olds to get on the pole?
Only trans kids can be celebrated for being on a stage with a pole.
I've been assured that teenagers don't work so wr need to be able to properly pay illegal immigrants.
Are we really just going to take Emma's word on teens and/or work?
allows them to work more than 30 hours a week during the school year with a parent or school superintendent's permission.
It would be better if they were legally required to get a job and work more than 30 hours per week. (Only half joking)
I'd expand on that.
Lots of high school students don't get a practical education, from a standpoint of employment. If you're a 16 year old, who isn't going to college (only about 1/3 of people have a degree in America) why are you in college prep classes?
You should be doing fundamental math, science, economics, history, literature. The basics for a reasonable education, but nowhere near the focus on academic rigor that, in theory, would serve someone headed for a four year degree. At the same time, you should be able to fill the time with a practical education, and possibly an internship. You could graduate well on your way to being a welder, being ASE certified, heating and AC, being an electrician, plumber, etc... If you're going into the trades, and you're going to waste money and time in school, then learn the trades in school. Get yourself a head start on life rather than marking time and then having to work fast food for years or go into debt to fund your own trade school. 30 hours a week of practical work would leave an 18-19 year old with an employable skill set and practical experience on how to make a living.
Meanwhile, it gets those who aren't interested in grades out of the college prep classes. Kids are very social, and very susceptible to their peers. If kids who aren't driven are in their classes, they'll be less focused, lazier, because it isn't cool to work hard at school. If all the kids in their classes are genuinely focused on academics, that'll make achievement the standard and they'll be happier to meet it.
Finally, a law both libertarians and the Koch Industries can agree on.
Now about those immigration restrictions...
H.B. 917
allowsreduces restrictions on 16- and 17-year-oldsFTFY. I started working on construction sites at 13. And that was in 1995. Still have all my fingers and didn't have any OSHA cert. Everyone should be allowed to earn a buck, this reduces the restrictions.
I started working at 16 (part time). But the government still made me sign up for Socialist Security, even though I was a minor and unable to sign contracts legally. And they told me full retirement age would be 65, but somewhere along the line they unilaterally changed that to 67 without getting me to sign off on it. Class action lawsuit?
But the government still made me sign up for Socialist Security
The government didn't make you sign up for Socialist Security. The government forced you, and the rest of us, at the end of the government gun to contribute to a Ponzi scheme that would make even Charles Ponzi and Bernie Madoff say, "You know something, this seems wrong".
The government taxed you and made a non-binding promise to give you some of your money back later by taxing workers younger than you. The government has no savings, and they didn't save your money. (Not that that's a bad thing - there are few things I can imagine worse than a Federal Investment Bureau!) The government does not legally owe you money; the Supreme Court ruled on that a long, long time ago. If you thought anything else, you never did any research.
The percentage of 16 year olds who would be better off dropping out of school entirely and getting a full-time job has got to be over 15% at least, and maybe as high as 20%.
Honestly, if they are in the public school system and are at the point they are illiterate in high school, probably the best thing for them statistically would be to get them into a full time job doing something basic.
Sucks to say, but that's just the reality there. If you cant do basic math and read, the rest of high school (and def college) are about guaranteed to be a waste of time and resources, probably best to be a construction grunt, hell maybe they could even pick up some good skills and climb the ladder and be a journeyman some day (though, unlikely if illiterate)
And I don't even say that necessarily from that angle. I include myself in that group: I would have been far better off dropping out and getting a job and then getting a GED and going back in my mid 20s (which I had to do anyway after dropping out of college after my freshman year). All of the time I spent in school from 15 to 19 was a waste of time and money.
But they might not be fully in(D)octrinated.
The real reason someone opposes this is that a kid learning responsibility, and a trade, is less likely to fall for the college loan/CRT trap, and even worse, might vote republican.
Independence and self-reliance is anathema to Socialists.
"Laws letting teens work longer hours won't have the disastrous effects critics claim they will."
Kids might grow up to actually have a sense of fulfilment, pride for working toward a goal, and personal responsibility.
So if you are a govt bureaucrat who promotes the idea of being a lazy entitled cog in the machine of socialism, the ideas above are basically radioactive.
Plus they will wonder why the government is taking so much of their paychecks.
Wait, won't there be fewer jobs for immigrants if American teenagers scarf them up? I can't believe Emma is for this.
Jerbs that 'Murican teenagers refuse to do.
Used to be fast food chains were mostly staffed by teenagers. Now they're staffed by immigrants. Teenagers don't want those jobs. It's why even the most die-hard building contractor and dirt farmer still hire immigrants (and illegal immigrants under the table): Teenagers won't work, and if they do want to work their parents won't let them, and if the parents say okay, the government restricts how much they can work.
In high school: worked sifts 5:00 to 3:30 am bussing tables Friday and Satutday. Sunday it was 5:00 to 10:00. Usually one weeknight for another 5-10 shift. 30 hours a week at $3:25 an hour. Plus school and homework. I remember working the night before taking the ACT test. Still got a 29. Still working more than 40 hrs a week Just organized in order to do what I want to do.
What is the minimum age to be an intern at Reason? Do they get paid? How does one become an assistant editor? What happens if they can't get a FAFSA check? Can they get an advance? Will they be forced to find a real job if Biden doesn't pay off their student debt? Does Reason have any undocumented immigrants on their staff? If not why not? Do Reason editors get a paid day off for Juneteenth? What about assistant editors? Food for thought.
A++++++ for Florida.
It's not Gov-Guns job to raise children.
Having grown up in an agricultural area, it was incredibly common for kids to work on their parent's farm. And summer jobs working in packing sheds and stuff was something every teenager did.
When the fuck did all this coddling of teenagers begin? If you're 16 you're basically a somewhat immature adult. Best way to get rid of that immaturity is a job.
This all started back at the turn of last century (ei. 1900). And I wonder if it was some kind of outgrowth of anti-capitalist thinking. Labor was seen as bad, thus restrict labor. Or maybe it was the opposite, union types not wanting to compete with teenagers so agitate for laws against it. Dunno. Maybe it's just affluence where parents can more afford to keep their children swaddled at home until they turn 25.
When I was in High School I was on the Basketball, Baseball and Rifle teams. I always found it funny that if I had "working papers" I wasn't allowed to work after 10 PM on a school night, but, I was getting home anywhere from 11 PM to 1 AM from away games and matches on a school night.
An article by Ms Camp that isn't whining about how the broken FAFSA is making it harder to give my money to some student majoring in Underwater Basket Weaving?
I only know part of the story. My dad had a job sorting mail as a child. He hated the job so much he decided he had to become a doctor.
I also hear that people go through an advanced degree like architecture and then hate being an architect. Some form of internship seeing the grunt nature of work would be good.
Do you need a college degree to work in sales???