Trump Wants To Exempt Tips From Income Taxes. Why Stop There?
Reducing revenue without identifying offsetting spending cuts means Trump is merely promising to borrow more heavily.

If voters send him back to the White House, former President Donald Trump has promised to stop the IRS from raiding workers' tip jars to fund government spending.
But he's yet to identify any specific spending cuts that would offset that reduction in federal revenues. Without that, this proposal is little more than a promise to add to the federal budget deficit—or it is merely campaign trail blather.
Trump first floated the idea during a campaign rally in Las Vegas on Sunday. "This is the first time I've said this, and for those who work at hotels and people that get tips, you're gonna be very happy," Trump said. "When I get to office we are going to not charge taxes on tips, on people making tips."
The announcement drew cheers from the crowd, and for good reason. Taxes are awful. Having to pay less in taxes sounds great. Trump may not possess the most sophisticated understanding of policymaking, but he's certainly smart enough to grok these basic facts—and to use that knowledge to cater to a crowd that was likely heavy in working-class folks from Vegas who earn a good bit of their income via tips.
Even if this is nothing more than empty pandering, it's an idea that deserves to be taken seriously. That's true in part because this campaign has so far been severely lacking in serious policy discussions. But it's also true because Trump could very well be in a position to execute this vision in a little more than seven months.
There are a few different ways to look at this idea and more than a few unknowns about it would work.
First, as a matter of tax policy, removing the obligation that workers pay income tax on their tips would mean that about 6.1 million Americans would get to keep about $38 billion in income that would otherwise have been taxed away. That's the number of workers who reported earning tips to the IRS in 2018 (the most recent year for which we have full data; data from Table 5.A) and the amount of taxes paid on those tips.
On the surface, that sounds great. But there's already one likely unintended consequence: A lot more income will suddenly be reported as tips. Any time a government gives preferential tax treatment to one type of economic activity, you tend to get a lot more of that type of economic activity. Does that mean we'll have an entirely tip-based economy? Probably not, but there would inevitably be some marginal changes to how workers are compensated.
That brings us to the fiscal policy implications of Trump's plan. Removing the obligation that workers pay income tax on their tips means reducing federal revenue by $38 billion (and likely more, for the reasons just discussed) annually. On its own, that's totally fine—I trust those workers to make better decisions about how to spend that money than the government would.
However, if there are no offsetting spending cuts, reducing federal revenues by $38 billion is nothing more than a promise to borrow more heavily. That's an irresponsible thing to do when the country is already on track to run deficits exceeding $1.5 trillion every year for the next decade. Trump's campaign has started to make an argument for giving the president more direct control over the spending side of the federal budget, but we still need to see a clearer plan for what Trump would be willing to cut in a second term—particularly since his first term landed a long, long way from fiscal responsibility.
Finally, there's the question of whether Trump could actually do this as soon as he takes office. The quick answer is "no."
As The Wall Street Journal explains, exempting tips from income taxes would "require approval from Congress" and "could be challenging for lawmakers to write and for tax authorities to enforce." Realistically, this would have to be a component of whatever tax package passes Congress next year, when lawmakers will have to grapple with the expiration of the 2017 tax cuts.
When that time comes, Trump's plan to eliminate taxes on tipped income is worth considering solely because it means that millions of Americans would get to keep more of their earnings away from the grubby hands of the government. But the drawbacks might be overwhelming. Ideally, the federal tax code ought to impose the smallest possible burden on Americans and ought to distribute that burden as fairly as possible. Trump's plan would fail on those grounds since it would create huge tax advantages for some workers over others (For example, servers at high-end restaurants would stand to benefit far more than workers at fast-food joints or other low-end retailers, as the Journal notes.)
Whether as a campaign tactic or tax policy, politicians should stay away from promising to cut taxes for certain groups or special interests. American workers would be better off with a balanced budget, a less complex tax code, and a government that takes less of their money, regardless of how it is earned.
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Yeah, not taxing tips is going to increase the deficit bigly.
Most dont even report it. Think here we assume 4% revenue as taxable income for tips.
There has to be at least some off-set in that you don't need as many irs agents processing tipped income.
But how many more would you need to investigate income inappropriately classed as tips?
No one would lie to the IRS like that.
(It was my first thought if this passes, I'm going 100% tips only, screw this salary pay)
Leave it to REASON to always argue for higher taxes.
REASON is a far left wing democrat fascist communist magazine.
They prove it day after day.
They always support welfare, tax hikes and gun bans and democrats (AKA republicans).
Yes, Trump wants to cut taxes. He’s evil!
I would think that is less and less with electronic transactions vs cash tips.
It’s 8% of the business receipts for their customers on shift.
Now that EBT is allowed at restaurants probably too high a reportable number.
Sounds nice, but I do think having a few professions essentially exempt from income tax is a bit unfair and likely to cause problems.
I have a better proposal: abolish federal income tax completely and reduce the size of the federal government by at least 90%.
Yeah that's one of my big problems with this. Especially since younger people (more likely tip earners) are more inclined to want more taxes would now be shielded from that bad decision. A lesson I learned young moving from informal to formal employment.
No, libertarians aren’t supposed to talk about income tax anymore. We’re for abolishing tariffs and leaving income tax as it is. Haven’t you read Chase Oliver’s platform?
Is it as dreamy as Jared Polis' gun grabbing?
Maybe they could get together for an OnlyFans site.
^THIS. It's actually hilarious this comes from Boehm as he's the one who has been the most vocal about those Tariffs that offset general domestic taxes.
Seems his bottom-line is.
If it comes from 'foreign' it deserves 0-TAXES.
If it comes from 'domestic' it deserves MORE Taxes.
I propose reducing the size of the federal government 100%.
Even better.
108.2%
What about 108.1%?
Those are great ideas, so you know both parties will reject them outright and probably have you and your family sent off to some gulag or re-education camp.
Next up: teachers, firemen, and cops won't have to pay taxes.
As an offset, all registered democrats will be taxed at twice the rate.
Triple. And be forced to wear shock collars that automatically go off when they use the language of the left.
Democrats and democrats only should have to pay 100% tax.
Because that is what they want. That's what they dream about.
And when it happens do not listen to those knuckle dragging imbecils cry.
They are getting what they asked for.
Biden hired an additional 87,000 IRS agents so about the same thing.
Can we get ENB's take on Trump's "Don't tax people earning a living by taking just the tips." policy?
Mean Tweets are far, far worse than government mandated theft from productive people. Far, far worse.
The hooers can use a mandatory third party payment app and get 1099ed.
If she only takes the tip, I'm not paying her full price.
What did you expect for ten bucks? Lobster?
I'd settle for a sandwich.
That’s the punchline to a joke about a guy that paid ten bucks to fuck a hooker, caught crabs from her, then later confronted her about getting crabs from her.
ENB, who is in reality Maureen Ponderosa, should learn about real libertarianism, and focus less on whores and turning herself into a cat.
Did she get her dead tooth fixed or does her breath still smell like nibbling pieces of crap?
Pondy is the coolest.
$80 billion in the inflation amplification act to hire a bunch of stooges to go after service workers tips
So the IRS will be going after small employers who fail to “Keep [and report] a daily tip record using Form 4070A, Employee’s Daily Record of Tips” and/or fail to “Report all tips on an individual income tax return, Form 4137, Social Security and Medicare Tax on Unreported Tip Income”. Wait staff earning cash tips cheat on their taxes to the tune of about $20-30B each year, and the IRS has been unhappy with their ability to go after these people due to lack of resources. 87,000 new agents will certainly give them some new resources.
Any tip on a credit/debit card is almost surely reported, given the digital trail. But I discount cash tips given that I expect that they will be received as 'after-tax' dollars.
Looks like I will be tipping a lot less in the future if all tips are untaxed.
The IRS assumes cash tips at the rate of credit card tips, based on sales.
The standard is 8% of receipts.
Will be asking my employer to report a lot of my income as tips.
Per diem is nice if you travel. Tax free until you're in the same location for a year or so.
"Why doesn't Trump try to reform XXXXX?"
Trump says he wants to something about XXXXX.
"Why doesn't Trump want to do XXXXX exactly the way we leftist shits want it done? It's not good enough/It's not right/But whatabout?"
He should really mindfuck them and adopt their entire agenda during the campaign. Their heads would explode.
Reducing revenue without identifying offsetting spending cuts means Trump is merely promising to borrow more heavily.
So no tax cuts? Is this your angle Eric? Did tax revenue increase after the last cuts, yes or no? Those cuts can be done independently. In fact more tax revenue causes even more spending, see any blue state.
Yes I want cuts. But even holding spending at level would cause the deficit to collapse to zero in around a decade. Tax cuts can indeed be done independently.
No, Jesse. Revenue didn't increase after the last cuts. Federal tax receipts were essentially flat from 2016 through 2020.
FY 2020 $3.42 trillion
FY 2019 $3.46 trillion
FY 2018 $3.33 trillion
FY 2017 $3.32 trillion
FY 2016 $3.27 trillion
So you’re saying the tax cuts didn’t reduce federal tax revenue. At least you admit it.
Edg's an idiot.
Also, how is 3.46 trillion not an increase over 3.27 trillion? We're talking about 190 BILLION dollars more, there.
I mean, a billion hear and a billion there and pretty soon we're talking about real money.
Special Ed is special.
When you're trolling from the short bus, it might be different. But good trolls know you're supposed to hide contrary statistics in a link, hoping a lazy commenter won't go look.
It increased every year except covid.
Covid?
WTF is covid?
Did you mean liberal communist lock downs?
So it did increase except the year during covid.
Ed. Are you a retard?
Special Ed is special. The sped sped right past the data.
But he's yet to identify any specific spending cuts that would offset that reduction in federal revenues.
Yea, that's because he's a Republican.
Inflation will take care of that, because inflation is profit!
If he was a democrat, he would say we can spend our way to profit!
I do remember the talking point that went viral a number of years ago about how every dollar the government spends makes 10 dollars in follow on economic activity.
Don't remember the specifics, but it sure was something leftists said, ad nauseum, during the Obama years.
Tips are notoriously underreported and difficult to verify anyway. The IRS would probably breathe a sigh of relief if Trump passed this. I don't think there's a stripper alive that has accurately reported all her tips for tax purposes.
What about one working her way through accounting skool, aiming for a job at the irs?
Strippers have to kickback to the house.
Strippers report their tits, not their tips.
Please note the difference.
Government wants to take something off the top.
Any cut in theft is good.
Stop advocating for higher taxes like REASON and democrats do.
"Reducing revenue without identifying offsetting spending cuts means Trump is merely promising to borrow more heavily."
You mean eliminating the education department doesn't count as reducing spending?
However, if there are no offsetting spending cuts, reducing federal revenues by $38 billion is nothing more than a promise to borrow more heavily.
Why is your assumption that cutting some amount of tax doesn’t have an offset of increased economic activity, which negates at least some amount of the cut revenue? That money feeds back into the economy, where it gets spent again, or invested, and should generate some addition tax revenue. The $38 billion in cut taxes doesn’t cease to exist simply because it remains in private circulation.
Growth doesn't exist for the beltway class.
That's a myth from Saint Ronnie.
Growth for the beltway class is increased federal spending.
"That’s a myth from Saint Ronnie."
Sarc or stupidity?
More Boehm bullshit. Any excuse to dump on Trump.
They’ve got their marching orders from their benefactor Koch.
So many tip-earners either don't report or drastically under-report already...that's simple income tax evasion.
Now, I'd sure like to have everyone pay less taxes. But I hate tax cheats. Avoid taxes all you want, but don't evade them.
Don't worry. Tipped jobs will go to the illegal immigrants.
Oh that's ok then. They don't use any welfare benefits.
I'll casually mention that to Al Sharpton.
This is chump change of the total taxes paid.
We won't miss it.
However, if there are no offsetting spending cuts,
Why are retards so unidementional?
Either freeze spending or the economy grows.
"unidementional"? Home-schooled, eh?
Well. He’s not an ignorant moron. Not like you. Seriously, Ed, you showcase your profound idiocy here whenever you post.
Home schooled in an inner city welfare house.
Would leave an easy money-laundering hole in the tax code to do that.
How so?
There are specific jobs that qualify for tip credit(are punished by?).
Let's say that a drug dealer is making $1000 at day on his corner. But if he also has a "job" making the subminimum tipped wage, $2.13/hour, where his "employer" is willing to show said "employee" as making $1000 in tips daily, which are of course the proceeds from his day job. The tips would get reported on his W2--tax-free, and now traceable to a legitimate source of income. The "employer" would get a cut to cover the expenses associated with having another "employee" on the books. That could clear some $250k or $300k per year.
"reported on his W2–tax-free"
Say what?
Income tax withholding
FICA
Medicare
Whatever the locals can dream up.
Trump's plan would fail on those grounds since it would create huge tax advantages for some workers over others (For example, servers at high-end restaurants would stand to benefit far more than workers at fast-food joints or other low-end retailers, as the Journal notes.)
Good point. Let's repeal the 16th Amendment instead.
19th while we are at it.
If we're making a wish list, how bout the 24th and 17th?
In fact, double down on the pre-24th state of affairs and prohibit anyone who gets more from governmental sources (whether "income redistribution" or "payment for services rendered) from voting.
The 17th was just a dumb power play aimed at weakening the very states that created the Federal government in the first place. Sort of an oedipus thing, if you ask me.
Servers are in a tip credit position, fast food workers are not.
Fuck off you dishonest leftist cunt. This is not the time or the place to tie collection changes to specific programs, let alone ONLY the programs or spending that align with your priorities. The border policies alone save multiples of this according to the whining from Democrat mayors of sanctuary cities but you're against any national sovereignty so you ignore such.
Yeah, he thought of it on the spot. That's called pandering.
Next thing you know the GOP will classify all income as tips, just because.
And of course, it will hyperinflate the tipping economy. People love tipping about as much as they like taxes. Except the sanctimonious of us who proudly exclaim that they generously tip.
Yeah, exempting tips from income tax will be the thing that destroys our economy. Not any of the horrific shit you democrats have inflicted over the last several decades.
You really are a special kind of stupid.
I hope they do.
Yes, tipping is over done. So is the government taking our money. But hey, you want a 90% tax right?
Or raise the min wage to $20 and get rid of tipping. That's working out well for people.
Any other suggestions?
student loan forgiveness?
Well, as long as giving money and arms to the Ukraine, pushing the withdrawal date from Afghanistan back disastrously, and withholding arms from Israel weren't pandering, then that's all OK, I guess.
Is this your daily “Proof I’m not a libertarian” post, Eric? If so, you did a bang up job.
It's possible that Trump thinks that if tips are tax-free, he can cut pre-tip wages to his staff without reducing their take-home pay. IOW, removing tax on tips could lower staffing costs for Trump's businesses. Probably butts up against minimum wage laws, though.
It's possible that at one time, you had more than one brain-cell. But that time is lost in history.
Eat shit and die, TDS-addled fuckface.
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LOL you fuckwit. It was simply in response to that monomaniacal cunt Sevo, who I'd muted a while ago and who should have spotted it by now. And I thought if I were going to say I'd muted him, I might as well post the list.
So youre saying I have to try harder shrike?
I'm still not shrike, The reason I don't mute your lying cracker arse is because you're not a monomaniacal whacko and I don't make a habit of muting people simply because I disagree with them.
Oh! Oh! Asswipe turd muted me!!!! Where's the fainting couch?
It’s possible that you engage in a lot of sophist speculation.
Right Shrike?
Standard soros democrat talking points is all he has.
He’s certainly bereft of intelligence, knowledge, wit, and creativity. Also lacks principles, integrity, empathy and courage.
Brand new identity:
Libertarians against tax cuts!
Go get 'em Eric!
Sadly it isn't new.
I lost all my tips in an unfortunate boating incident.
Heavy waves circumcised the boat?
Blew his wad when the whole thing went tits up.
"Trump Wants To Exempt Tips From Income Taxes. Why Stop There?"
How about not taxing overtime pay too?
For that matter, eliminate the income tax and replace it with a national sales tax or consumption tax.
Almost anything is better than the onerous and calculus-like US income tax code.
Almost anything is better than the onerous and calculus-like US income tax code.
That is an intentional feature - makes it easier to find loopholes.
Sales taxes can be horribly regressive - and encourage smuggling.
How about a flat tax with a high automatic deductible and no further deductions, applying to both income and realised capital gains? (Possibly allow for inflation adjustment on capital gains.)
A flat tax does not do anything to eliminate the IRS, the invasive record keeping and reporting, the thousands of pages of tax code...
Step 1. Define income.
A flat tax does not do anything to eliminate the IRS
No, but it does reduce the size (significantly, I think) if you get rid of all the other deductibles and features as well
A “flat tax” sounds nice. All your income taxed at one flat rate. What could be simpler? But a flat tax simply removes the progressive structure (different rates for different income levels and/or types of income). This has two problems. First, much of the tax code exists simply to define what constitutes "income". Second, if anything is deductible, such as charitable donations, then much of the tax code will continue to be required to define exactly how this should work. Mountains of paperwork and 10s of thousands of pages of tax code will be involved in defining what is deductible, etc. just as it does today. Armies of accountants and attorneys and IRS agents will remain in place.
As an example, if every penny that lands in your hands is taxable, then when Grandma gives little Johnny a birthday card with $10 in it, Johnny must file a tax return and account for that $10, and Grandma may be required to file a correspond 1099MISC to document that she transferred monies to Johnny. Failure to do so on either party's part obviously is tax evasion and a clear failure to comply with the tax code. If this situation is undesirable, then exclusions must be written and further, the definition of “gift” must be codified so as to avoid certain abuses that would inevitably occur.
Now consider the nature of a gift exclusion that allows small amounts to be gifted without a need to report as income on the part of the recipient (or file a 1099MISC). First, how small is small? $10, $100, $1000, is that indexed to inflation? Can Grandma give $1000 *and* Grandpa give $1000 each? How often can a gift be given? Or is the limit a cumulative annual amount? If it's $10, then lots of people will have to file 1099 and cause way more work than it's worth. If it's $1000, a lot of people will start black-marketing "gifts": e.g. maybe I can convince my boss to "gift" me the maximum amount every year? Etc. Etc.
If I loaned $750 to someone, who paid me back $1000 (i.e. repay $750 and pay $250 in interest), the $1000 check is not all income to me right? Income in this case would be $250, the interest paid, the other $750 is simply returning my money. What if I loaned my brother $5000, with a contract, interest payment and everything, then 5 years later decide that he doesn't have to pay it back? Is that a gift? Have I violated the gifting rules? Is that loan income to him? Is it a loss for me? Can I use it to offset other income? Etc. Etc.
What about a lottery winner, say $1000 on scratch off. Surely that's all income? But current tax law says that if he spent $750 buying tickets, the net gambling income is only $250. It cost $750 to "earn" $250. What if he won $1000 but lost $10,000? Current tax law says too bad on $9000, but he owes no tax on the $1000 winnings. Current tax law looks at your gambling income as if you were playing a long poker game: win or lose hands during the game, doesn't matter, what matters is what you have at the end of the game (tax year).
If my house burns down and the insurance company writes me a check for $100,000 is that income? What if the insurance pays more than I paid for the house? But what if it pays less than the house is worth?
More rules will be needed to clarify these situations too. That’s just defining “income”…and those are the easy examples.
If anything is deductible, say charitable donations, then another mountain of pages are required to spell out exactly how the deduction works, valuations to be used, etc. It’s easy enough to track cash donations (but current tax code has a lot of rules on those too, e.g. my donation to my alma mater is 80% deductible if I buy season football tickets, but 100% if I don’t). What is my deduction for used stuff given to Goodwill? Fiar market value? How is that determined? What valuation should be used for the Monet painting someone inherited from their grandfather’s estate when they donate it to a museum?
Think of the pages and pages of rules needed to define these elements, and the record-keeping needed to comply.
has promised to stop the IRS from raiding workers’ tip jars to fund government spending.
Don’t stop there! Stop raiding my paycheck and repeal the 16th Amendment!
I like the idea of the Feds not directly taxing people at all. Instead. each year the Fed requires the states to pay a contribution to the Fed budget pro-rated by population, and let each state decide how to raise the necessary funds - sales tax, income tax, window tax, or whatever.
It would dramatically reduce the IRS, and give more power to individual states. There are one or two problems with it, of course.
It would certainly make California want to NOT count illegal aliens.
Haha! Good point.
Business expense exception.
Yes, but this is why arguments that corporations are people must fail.
^BEST idea. +10000000000.
Which ironically is how it 'was' done originally.
"But he's yet to identify any specific spending cuts that would offset that reduction in federal revenues."
Trump plans to claim sweeping powers to cancel federal spending
I will use the president’s long-recognized Impoundment Power to squeeze the bloated federal bureaucracy for massive savings
Legal or not - it is a plan to cut spending. Just keep lying Boehm. What's Biden's plan again? Oh that's right spend more and massive tax hikes
Either Boehm is a lefty Keynesian, or he doesn’t understand economics or tax revenue growth, both of which increased/improved after/due to the Reagan and Trump tax cuts.
Even better than Trump's previous tax cut that benefited wealthier taxpayers, his ingenious new proposal to not impose/collect federal taxes from tips will almost exclusively benefit poor working class taxpayers (whose take home pay is based upon job performance, as determined by actual customers, not politicians, management or labor unions).
Many Democrats are now scratching their heads and thinking "That's a great way to give a tax break to many poor workers, why didn't we think of that, enact it into law, and cite it as a reason to elect Democrats?"
But leave it to the nonlibertarian Boehm to oppose a federal tax break for millions of the poorest hard working Americans.
Since the vast majority of tip income is NOT reported to the IRS (and thus not taxed), and many/most tip earners don't report much/most of their tip income to the IRS (or state or local governments), Trump's proposal would primarily benefit the honest tip earners who have been reporting and paying most/all of the tip income and taxes.
The dishonest tip earners who haven't reported or paid any/some/all of their tip income tax in past years won't benefit as much by Trump's proposal (as the honest one's who reported and paid all of their income taxes).
It looks increasingly likely that Trump will win in a landslide in November, while Joe Biden likely won't be on the ballot in November.
Biden's Democrat handlers and other powerful Democrats will likely convince Joe/Jill to drop out of the race (to prevent a Trump landslide) and will likely replace him with Michelle Obama (if they can convince her and Barrack), while offering Harris the next spot for the US Supreme Court opening (to replace Sotomayor) and/or Attorney General or other Cabinet position.
The offset Boehm dishonestly whines about would be the reduced IRS workforce that is no longer needed for audits of tipped workers as they don't have to impute tip earnings on millions of potential victims.
Cash tips may be unreported but I guessing most tips today are on credit cards payments and those will get reported.
tax revenue growth, both of which increased/improved after/due to the Reagan and Trump tax cuts.
Nope.
Change in annual revenues in real terms per OMB historical tables:
1972 10.8%
1973 11.3%
1974 14.0%
1975 6.0%
1976 6.8%
1977 19.3%
1978 12.4%
1979 15.9%
1980 11.6%
1981 15.9%
1982 3.1%
1983 -2.8%
1984 11.0%
1985 10.1%
1986 4.8%
1987 11.1%
1988 6.4%
1989 9.0%
1990 4.1%
1991 2.2%
1992 3.4%
1993 5.8%
1994 9.0%
1995 7.4%
1996 7.5%
1997 8.7%
1998 9.0%
1999 6.1%
2000 10.8%
2001 -1.7%
2002 -6.9%
2003 -3.8%
2004 5.5%
2005 14.5%
2006 11.8%
2007 6.7%
2008 -1.7%
2009 -16.6%
2010 2.7%
2011 6.5%
2012 6.4%
2013 13.3%
2014 8.9%
2015 7.6%
2016 0.6%
2017 1.5%
2018 0.4%
2019 4.0%
2020 -1.2%
2021 18.3%
2022 21.0%
2023 -9.3%
Define real terms and show the calculation utilized.
2 + 2 = 5
(the number of fingers)
Fuckwit.
Seems the asswipe SRG is not willing to support the claims. Are we surprised?
Mr.bSIlHhitTTer claimed political prosecution is common also but seems unable to provide a cite other than "everyone knows", right, Mr. asswipe?
MrMxyzptlk 6/3/24
“…Thirdly, political prosecutions are not new, this is just the first time it was someone so high and they lost the trial.”
Real meaning, adjusted for inflation – but surely you knew that? and calculation is simply:
A/B – 1 where A is real revenue in a year and B is the real revenue the previous year.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/historical-tables
Table 1.3 is the relevant one.
Godshall no doubt believed that what he said was true, but he never bothered to check whether what he’d been told was true.
In the long term, tax revenue goes up in real terms because GDP increases in real terms. Godshall’s claim was that there was an improvement under Reagan and Trump. The data don’t show it.
GDP includes government spending, so it would go up every year anyway even if non-government economy was utterly stagnant. Not too many years where government spending actually decreases.
True, but then GDP would not rise faster than Fed outlays. 🙂
I get the same numbers using the data from
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/hist01z1_fy2025.xlsx
and computing year-over-year results.
It skips over the TQ..."Prior to fiscal year 1977 the Federal
fiscal years began on July 1 and ended on June 30. In calendar year 1976 the JulySeptember period was a separate accounting period (known as the transition quarter or TQ)
to bridge the period required to shift to the new fiscal year. " So that particular line should be scratched.
Figures are, I'm pretty sure, in constant 2017 dollars.
I have used earlier versions of this table for a while, and see no real issues with it. It's a straightforward summary of receipts and expenditures.
Yup. I don't know how many times I've downloaded those tables over the years!
“Either Boehm is a lefty Keynesian, or he doesn’t understand economics or tax revenue growth”
Can’t it be both?
The biggest threat to the tipping economy that a lot of us grew up with is digital money and CBDC. Tips and any other cash payment for labor have always been subject to the income tax. Lets not forget that the income tax was sold as and continues to purportedly be a voluntary system. If you voluntarily declare cash income you become liable for the tax. If it's all digital you have no choice. People who earn their living through cash tips are mini entrepreneurs. They give their best service to customers who appreciate it reward them accordingly. There's an old saying in small business. You never say no to your best customers, for the rest you just do your best. The goal here is to crush any measure of independence and turn everyone into a wage slave that is deprived of the fruit of their labor before they ever even see it. To describe letting working people actually getting some portion of their labor shielded from confiscation because it might add to a debt that includes trillions spent to wage wars all over the planet is insulting.
Lets not forget that the income tax was sold as and continues to purportedly be a voluntary system.
Where does this idea come from? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that people have been legally obliged to report any income (including non-cash income) to the IRS for as long as the system has been in place. And cash payments are voluntarily reported only in the sense that it's very difficult to enforce the requirements universally.
Why collect taxes at all? Just pay for government spending with Treasury notes.
Why bother with notes. Just shake the magic money tree. And send everyone checks.
So wait a minute…is reducing tariff rates also mere blather without saying how those revenues are to be made up by spending cuts?
'First, as a matter of tax policy, removing the obligation that workers pay income tax on their tips would mean that about 6.1 million Americans would get to keep about $38 billion in income that would otherwise have been taxed away.'
We can't afford that! We need that money to pay off more student loans.
Although I bet many of the professional table waiting class do have unpaid student loans.
Nice to see Reason isn't shy at all about their blatant TDS.
if 'Tump' then 'Bad'
else
Market freedom good.
This makes nice campaign talk but little more than that. What we saw in the Trump administration was little interest in working on legislation. Most of the heavily lifting was done by the Speaker Paul Ryan with little help from the President. Trump is basically lazy and not likely to put himself out to move legislation. So, unless this idea has support in Congress, I expect it goes nowhere. I would add that this benefits lower income workers and that is not the profile of legislation that get past.
"Finally, there's the question of whether Trump could actually do this as soon as he takes office. The quick answer is "no."
Day one Executive Order barring the IRS from investigating or prosecuting cases of tip reporting fraud.
As we've all learned from the CBP, this is merely the Executive Branch exercising its own prosecutorial discretion in choosing how to utilize their limited resources.
I have a suggestion. For each dollar of tips reported and not taxed, we can cut 50 cents out of IRS spending. That should allow an actual reduction of the deficit.
Why the IRS and not Congress as they are the folks writing the tax code? We could do away with the IRS, but you still have to pay income tax. The Congress would just create a different department to collect the money.
Reply to Brad Hobbs
Tips should not be taxed, but the same is true of many other things. We don't have a problem because we tax too much, but rather because we spend too much. While I'm in favor of reducing taxes, I'm even more supportive of drastically reducing spending
"if there are no offsetting spending cuts, reducing federal revenues by 38 billion is nothing more than a promise to borrow more heavily. "
1. So what? At least people get to keep their money
2. Actually those people probably dont pay income tax already given the deductions and credits.
3. There are other reasons this is a bad idea. It makes the tax system more complex, it favors some people over others, and it makes some people even less a contributor to the burden that is the cost of govt.
We have a spending problem, not a tax problem. Fix spending, then deal with taxes.