Anthony Fauci Is Not a Hero

Is the narrative finally shifting?

Anthony Fauci, top adviser on COVID-19 under both Presidents Donald Trump and Joe Biden, was in the hot seat this week, facing intense criticism from congressional Republicans as well as unending praise from congressional Democrats. Monday's hearing, organized by the House Oversight Committee's Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic, functioned as a quintessential example of the extreme polarization that characterizes modern U.S. political discourse; for half the country, Fauci is a villain—for the other half, he is worthy of sainthood.

Occupying the former camp, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R–Ga.) refused to call him by his medical title—instead referring to him as "Mr. Fauci"—and repeatedly said that he should be sent to prison. On the other side, Rep. Jamie Raskin (D–Md.) apologized to Fauci on behalf of his colleagues, chided the right for embracing "the big medical lie" that Fauci was somehow responsible for causing the pandemic, and then pointlessly turned the conversation toward Trump's recent felony conviction.

Dr. Fauci has devoted his entire career to public health and fighting infectious diseases. Based on lies, Republicans are treating him like a convicted felon—oops, I bet he wishes they'd treat him like a convicted felon! pic.twitter.com/8jxV5QPZJm

— Rep. Jamie Raskin (@RepRaskin) June 4, 2024

When asked about the hearing during an interview on CNN, Fauci said that Greene's irresponsible rhetoric would increase the number of death threats he receives.

"There are a segment of the population out there that believe that kind of nonsense," he told CNN's Kaitlan Collins.

Let's agree that neither Fauci, nor any other person in public life, should face death threats. At the same time, no one should be prevented from going after a public official simply because doing so is likely to send encouraging signals to more aggressive and irritating critics. Arguments to the contrary tend to be incredibly one-sided, in any case: Mainstream media figures often attack right-wing figures for directing death threats their way, while ignoring the fact that the right-wingers also receive death threats when subjected to media scrutiny. Irresponsible rhetoric, and accompanying threats of violence, ought to be condemned in both directions—but no one should feel obligated to pull their punches just because there are a lot of angry people on the internet.

The Prison Doctor

We should also agree that calls to imprison Fauci are, at best, premature. He has not been convicted of any crime; moreover, his misguided pandemic policies are not prosecutable. Critics are right to call out his ever-shifting opinions on the efficacy of masks, his downplaying of post-infection immunity vs. vaccine-related protection, and his six-feet social distancing guidance, which he now admits had little scientific basis and was essentially invented on the spot. Government officials who propose bad policies should be voted out of office or fired as appropriate. They cannot be jailed, however.

Fauci's role in the alleged lab leak cover-up is a different matter. As Reason's Christian Britschgi documented in his write-up of the hearing, it is now well-established that Fauci's straightforward denial to Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) regarding U.S. funding of gain-of-function research was at best misleading—and potentially an outright lie. (Lying to Congress is, in fact, a crime.) David Morens, a top Fauci deputy, has admitted to thwarting journalistic inquiries by making certain emails invisible to Freedom of Information Act requests. There are serious questions about whether Fauci pushed scientific experts in his orbit to embrace the natural spillover explanation of COVID-19's origins, possibly because the lab leak explanation would have invited greater scrutiny of U.S. health bureaucrats and their research priorities. I interviewed Paul this week about Fauci's role in suppressing the lab leak theory, and he stated that he's come to believe the National Institutes of Health are "more secretive than the CIA."

But whether Fauci has actually made himself criminally liable is beyond the point. It's abundantly clear that he did not deserve the abject hero worship he received throughout the pandemic. (Remember the Fauci candles?) His COVID-19 prevention policies are extremely suspect, his public advocacy for scientific enhancement of pathogenic viruses is incredibly concerning, and his attempts to control the narrative about the pandemic's origins are inexcusable. Just watch this terrific roundup by Matt Orfalea of all the times Fauci denied the lab leak theory, despite now maintaining that he never expressed a strong opinion one way or the other.

 

This Week on Free Media

I'm joined by Amber Duke to discuss Fauci's evasiveness, Jen Psaki's advice for Biden, and criticism of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg.

 

Worth Watching

I just started HBO's Hacks, which has already run for three seasons. I'm not sure why it took me so long. I'm a big fan of series lead Jean Smart, who delivered two of my favorite TV performances: the delightfully unhinged First Lady Martha Logan on later seasons of 24, and superhero-turned-vigilante-hunter Laurie Blake on Watchmen.

In Hacks, Smart stars as Deborah Vance, an aging star and stand-up comedian who reluctantly takes a canceled TV writer, Ava Daniels, under her wing. Daniels, portrayed by Hannah Einbinder, is obnoxiously unlikable, but receives frequent enough comeuppance to keep the series entertaining.

Comments

[Chumby]

He should face a crimes against humanity trial with capital punishment on the table as a penalty, if convicted.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

And a month in the pillory if not.

[Rob Misek]

What’s his crime? Lying.

For more than 4 years every complicit nation has been lying to cover up their secret gain of function engineering programs making custom viruses.

It’s still going on now.

With a successful dry run killing over 1 million Americans and 7 million people globally, people are used to mass death, living isolated in their homes with limited draconian ability to travel, you can bet the next far greater pandemic and much more efficient population control is already planned.

Except for the elite, secret conspirators of course.

Now that we know who is responsible, are they going to be held accountable or try to compensate us? Of course not.

[Freethinksman]

"So I said to my people, Slow the testing down, please".

Remember that?

[Rob Misek]

Actually no.

But there are so many sound bites, videos and other evidence that brought together demonstrate irrefutable truth that different people are and aren’t aware of.

Bringing them together is perhaps the single greatest strength of the internet in advancing human knowledge and communication.

Next to porn.

[B G]

Sort of like how a disjointed collection of private letters among British officials over a half century combined with some deliberate misinterpretations of partial information, and the lack of specific kinds of highly technical analysis which wasn't invented until decades after WW2 and couldn't possibly produce a conclusive result if it were run on dirt samples 80 years later gets spun up into "conclusive proof" that the tens of thousands of eye witness accounts and confessions by the staffs of the Nazi concentration camps were somehow the result of a widespread bribery conspiracy spanning both sides of the Cold War, and that the 12 million people who were never seen alive after 1944 were all just willingly hiding from their friends, families, and children/grandchildren with such perfect discipline that not one of them ever slipped in however long they somehow managed to live completely unnoticed for decades after the war ended?

When the right group of morons want to believe something strongly enough, it's possible to "prove" anything....

Of course, in this case the evidence is actual email communication between Fauci and his associates, not written letters between a couple of random members of the British aristocracy who never really had much direct involvement with much of anything.

The messages about how the "FOIA Lady" showed one of the senior staff how to "make his emails disappear" in order to hide his official communications as a government employee from disclosure to the public and official record-keeping laws is a particularly bad look for the whole operation, though. Makes it hard to deny that there was at least some organized effort within the department to avoid the kinds of transparency which they're legally required to allow. Some might even mistake an organized effort by multiple people centered around violating the law a "criminal conspiracy"; I'm sure you' got some kind of "properly applied" semantics to show that it's not the case though...

I also can't help but wonder how different your take on the entire pandemic might be if Fauci were Jewish rather than Italian.

[Rob Misek]

How does it feel to be unable to refute anything that I say?

Yes, conspiracies are more easily exposed in today’s environment of digital recordings and social media.

Even when it’s a crime punishable by imprisonment to do so.

Lying Fauci acts like and is a Kol Nidre boy.

[B G]

"How does it feel to be unable to refute anything that I say?"

Why would I know that? I've refuted several of the rare instances in which any of your claims have been actually connected to something related to an objectively provable fact. Most recently, your claim that the Red Cross "had access to all of the Nazi Camps throughout the duration of the war"; the fact is that the German Red Cross (not the International Red Cross which generally inspects POW/Refugee camps) was providing information from some of the camps, but that information stopped coming within a few months of the extermination order being issued from Berlin.

Your other nonsense, such as the claim that most/all of the thousands (maybe tens of thousands counting Soviet soldiers who liberated the real extermination camps in Poland and other occupied countries), including the fact that the SS Soldiers on trial in Nuremberg didn't deny the exterminations and instead used the defense that they were "following orders" to carry them out, were the result of some kind of huge bribery conspiracy, is so baseless, bereft of proof, and detached from practical reality that there's not only no need to refute it, there's nothing factual contained within it to actually refute.

The idea that some global cabal somehow bribed thousands/tens of thousands of eye-witnesses with dozens of nationalities, on both sides of the cold war, and including those who had been condemned to death and had no way to benefit from a bribe anyway is ridiculous on its face. The possibility of it having gone actually undetected on that scale is right up there with the possibility that 12 million people (some of them young children) just willfully went into hiding, cut all ties with their friends and families, and managed to live out the remainder of their lives starting over with no assets or wealth (since their possessions and valuables including everything down to gold dental appliances) and did it all for no reason other than to have the world believe they'd been killed and their bodies disposed of in the camps.

There's no need to refute the individual "evidence" you were fed as if it were meaningful by the racist cultists who raised you. Simply assuming that your entire premise is true quickly leads to the necessity that things which are patently impossible would have to be true. In terms of logic (actual logic, not your "properly applied" fever dream version), this would be considered to be "proof by contradiction" that the Holocaust took place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contradiction

If you're correct and it didn't happen, then the 12 million (in your version, alleged) victims of extermination must have been alive somewhere after 1945, and some number of them would have either been detected, or would have attempted to contact loved ones from their lives before being taken to the camps; the US Federal witness protection program hasn't handled anywhere near that many individuals and has had hundreds of instances of these things happening among a much smaller overall population, it's simple human nature, sentimentality, and the need for connection that leads to it happening.

[Rob Misek]

When you cut and run for a week and then post a reply, nobody’s looking anymore to refute you. But of course you realized that.

https://reason.com/2024/05/21/israel-raids-the-associated-press-and-seizes-equipment-over-war-coverage/?comments=true#comments

Reason is still blocking the link to the nugent website that completely refutes your bullshit claim.

It shows a photo of a letter dated 22 November 1944, from the International Committee of the Red Cross, Central Agency for Prisoners of War, to an American official, Roswell McClelland, special assistant to the US ambassador to Switzerland.

The international Red Cross visited Aushwitz in 1944, you’re full of shit, and found a normal prison camp not so much as a hint of a holocaust even though the holocaust propaganda was raging.

[Rob Misek]

We know that Zionists and Nazis were working together to coerce Jews to move to Palestine via the transfer agreement.

What reason did Hitler have to help Zionists? If he let Jews move to Palestine why not everywhere else? He obviously didn’t want to kill them all.

By your logic, because we don’t know where 1 billion Jews went, there must have been a holocaust of 1 billion. Fuckwit.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

"We know that Zionists and Nazis were working together to coerce Jews to move to Palestine via the transfer agreement..."

We know that Misek is a lying pile of Nazi shit.
FOAD, shit-bag

[B G]

Before he initiated WW2, Hitler just wanted the Jews out of Germany, but didn't have control over anywhere else to send them.

Zionists wanted more Jews in "Palestine" (formerly Judea, and previously Israel before the Roman occupation which renamed it twice). To a government which simply wanted them gone, but was operating in a world where many possible destinations, including the USA, were refusing them entry, that would have presented a useful solution.

After 1939, there were occupied territories to which the remaining Jews in Germany (including most of those serving in his armies and their families) could be forcibly deported, or else they were forced into the concentration camps within Germany, and in many cases from there to the extermination camps in occupied countries.

Since Hitler's ultimate goal was global conquest, even if his initial plan had been extermination, sending them anywhere was at worst delaying the inevitable since the could always be rounded up and killed when the Reich conquered wherever it was that they went to.

[B G]

Is the letter you're referring to in reference to the one-day on which a single inspector was allowed to take a tour (guided by SS Officers) of a "Potempkin village" which had been constructed adjacent to the actual Auschwitz-Birkenau camps during the year of "negotiations" in which the German government delayed even that limited "inspection"?

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/184sbvt/is_it_true_that_the_red_cross_inspected_auschwitz/

Does the letter you're citing as "proof" include this paragraph?
"We believe that it would be singularly dangerous for statements about the treatment of Jews [in concentration camps] to be based solely on the conditions of internment and life in the ghetto town of Theresienstadt alone, which appears to have been a place of residence for privileged Jews. "

[Rob Misek]

Your story changed huh.

From:
“January 1942, which was 3 years after the invasion of Poland, and 2 years after the invasion of France, Belgium, and Holland. In an incredible coincidence, the German Red Cross (international Red Cross was never allowed into the country) stopped reporting on the camps starting a few months into 1942. The reason why Red Cross inspectors never saw any evidence of mass exterminations in the camps is that they weren’t allowed access into the camps after the exterminations had begun on a large scale.

To:
“Is the letter you’re referring to in reference to the one-day on which a single inspector was allowed to take a tour (guided by SS Officers) of a “Potempkin village” which had been constructed adjacent to the actual Auschwitz-Birkenau camps during the year of “negotiations” in which the German government delayed even that limited “inspection”?”

The fact is that your own link actually identifies several international Red Cross visits to prison camps including Aushwitz long after you claim “the extermination order” was given.

Your “No” visits changed to “several” international Red Cross visits in which no evidence of any holocaust was found.

You were clearly lying and I refuted your claim.

Have you got any excuses to say about that?

[Granite]

Good points. Thanks for doing the deducing unlike most people who can’t think past the first level.

The only question should be: did they LIHOP or did they MIHOP. Either way, the implications would be a societal shock demanding blood to flow in the streets across the world.

I think most of us would rather live in delusion and cross our fingers that we aren’t next to die in the gov killing lottery.

[Rob Misek]

The corrupt elite have the advantage of money and power to coerce and maintain control while planning to maximize their benefits at everyone else’s expense.

Their plans are running and only a few see the whole picture while the rest minions are manipulated with greed to do their little parts for what they can get.

The other 90% of humanity are expendable slaves. Who unfortunately consume resources and will need to be terminated when the resources become scarce. In the next pandemic, or genocide or war. We lose, they win.

Unless we use what we have, intelligence, ingenuity and determination to apply correctly applied logic and science to develop and execute a plan with the support of the 90% that prevents their secret agenda.

1. Make recording everything we witness a human right.
2. Support the constitution and free speech by defeating all censorship
3. Codify in law how truth is determined with correctly applied logic and science.
4. Strike down any laws that aren’t supported by truth and the constitution.
5. Criminalize lying and ensure that those in power don’t lie.

We are 90%.

[Rob Misek]

If we can advocate the genocide of Palestinian women and children in Gaza, because they may grow to hate their oppressors, what’s stopping us from concluding that our neighbours or any other group don’t deserve the same fate?

The coordinators of our propaganda know that we’re at any time only 9 meals away from anarchy.

[Wally]

My God you're stupid. Criminalize lying? You want our government deciding "truth" and who to prosecute for lying.

On the topic of stupid, why don't you do some research to see why Egypt doesn't want the murderous Palestinians inside their borders? Jordan, Lebanon. They've all had the experience of those murderous monsters stirring up trouble. Your blind hate for the Jews makes you stupid.

[Rob Misek]

Do you feel the same way about the crimes of perjury and fraud?

[B G]

Fascinating that the guy who wants to "criminalize all lying" including telling children about Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, and other fairy tales which have caused no measurable damage in maybe 50 generations of humanity, but also thinks that there's no credible evidence that Fauci (who denied to Congress that particular research was happening in Wuhan several days before his own agency released verification that they had, in fact, been funding said research through an intermediary NGO) has ever said anything that wasn't absolute truth....

We all know you have something of an "unorthodox" comprehension of the rules of logic, in that you seem to actually think that clearly defined fallacies amount to "properly applied logic" and that the true rules of logic as they've been defined since the time of ancient Greece is somehow "improper". It's almost surprising to see that you apparently also have a somewhat unique take on the concept of "truth" if you think that the evidence of Fauci's lies is suspect or grounded in misinterpretation.

[Rob Misek]

Does lying about what I have said make you think you can refute what I have said?

Identified works of fiction aren’t lies, they’re entertainment. I’ve never said that they were lies.

In fact, when lying is criminalized under at least one circumstance, self defence, it can be legal. Just like killing a person is illegal unless it’s in self defence. I have said this here many times.

You’re a liar. You don’t recognize and value what discerns truth because you don’t value truth.

That’s on you. I’m pleased with these optics.

[B G]

"Does lying about what I have said make you think you can refute what I have said?"

Where have I lied about what you've said?

You've said that you think that telling children to believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy when they're young is "coercive", and therefore harmful, although you've never actually been able to identify what's being coerced by that belief, or where the harm is in telling a young child to place their recently "lost" (in the sense that it's come out of their mouth) tooth under their pillow at night.

Is there any scenario under which "lying in self defense" could mean anything other than falsely denying having deliberately invited violence by having made some kind of provocatively violent action of your own? If you'd criminalize any "false statement" based solely on an inability of the accused "liar" to provide sufficient "proof" of their statement, that would encompass a lot of genuinely harmless statements, and even a great many which are actually true (especially if the "authorities" in such a scenario took an attitude similar to yours in which the accepted measure of "truth" or "falsehood" is mostly arranged around what you've already chosen to believe, something the actual authorities have been doing more and more in the last several years). Under that standard of "criminality" I'd have to say that a false denial of having "thrown the first punch" shouldn't be in a protected category.

I've got no need to refute this kind of nonsense, the fact that you're "comfortable with these optics" is proof enough to any thinking third-party reader that your connection to reality is tenuous at best, and probably significantly less than that.

[Rob Misek]

I’ve never said that fairytales are lies or should be criminalized. They are entertainment and you’re a liar.

Are you suggesting that lying isn’t coercion or that coercion shouldn’t be criminalized?

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

FOAD lying pile of Nazi shit.

[B G]

Anyone being told a lie retains agency as to whether or not they're going to believe it and is free to investigate for themself to determine whether objective facts verify or falsify what they've been told. As long as that is the case, then there's at worst attempted coercion happening, but there are many other potential motivations for telling someone something that's not true.

How many times have you been told that there was a mass extermination of Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and other "undesirables" carried out by the Third Reich in the early 1940s? What has being told that "coerced" you into doing (since you clearly choose not to believe it)?

That's not even taking into account that your concept of legally enforced "honesty" would include equal prosecution of those who are possibly misinformed and who truly believe the truth of claims they're repeating, along with actual liars who deliberately make claims which they know contradict objective facts.

You've still not clarified how "lying in self defense" would possibly work in practice. If you can't give even a hypothetical scenario under which it would be possible, then it would seem to be difficult for establishing a standard under which such an exception to your law could possibly be adjudicated.

[B G]

"Are you suggesting that lying isn’t coercion or that coercion shouldn’t be criminalized?"

I'd say that coercion can be done by many means, and there are already laws which cover the use of lying toward that end, except when it's being used by the Government, which is already empowered to engage on coercion by most other methods as well.

Just because some lies are told for the purpose of coercion doesn't mean that all lying is coercion, any more than the fact that square is also rectangle means that all rectangles are necessarily square. That's proper logic, under the rules of logic which were first established thousands of years ago and haven't changed significantly since; we'll all understand if you can't wrap your head around it since it's becoming increasingly clear that someone convinced you at some point that a list of formal fallacies was actually the manual for "properly applied logic" and since you continue to choose to believe that your ability to process actual logical thought remains damaged in a way which you could remedy at any time by learning actual logic from any number of sources.

[Rob Misek]

We only have agency over what we have the authority to do.

When someone exercises authority we are compelled to comply. When that authority is used for someone else’s interests instead of our own, we are being coerced.

All lies coerce under the false authority of truth.

Expressed entertainment isn’t lying.

Expressing an unproven belief as such, isn’t lying.

When someone’s immediate safety is jeopardized by telling the truth, lying would be self defence.

1. Make recording everything we witness a human right.

[B G]

"2. Support the constitution and free speech by defeating all censorship
3. Codify in law how truth is determined with correctly applied logic and science.
4. Strike down any laws that aren’t supported by truth and the constitution.
5. Criminalize lying and ensure that those in power don’t lie."

We all know by now that you couldn't "correctly apply logic" if it came with a detailed instruction manual.

That said, it's baffling that you don't understand that your plan to "criminalize lying" is in direct conflict with the meaning of the 1st Amendment, especially with the extent to which you claim it needs to be enforced. Not to mention that putting the burden of proof on those accused by the State of "dishonesty" is in direct violation of the 5th and 6th amendment as well (meaning that enforcement of such a law would likely also constitute a violation of the 4th Amendment).

Not to mention that making enforcement of "honesty" a function of the Criminal Justice system would effectively make government Prosecutors the "arbiters of truth" under color of law, especially under a legal regime in which "criminal dishonesty" became a charge under which the prosecution faced no burden of proof and that anyone charged would be presumed guilty until proven innocent. Good luck keeping the executive branch officials who hire and fire those prosecutors (at least at the Federal level) from ending up effectively "above the law".

In your "five step plan", steps 3 and 5 are in direct contradiction with step 2, and step 4 would thereby render enacting 3 and 5 actually impossible to accomplish.

You've actually got a good idea there on step 1, but I'd say that within practical limits (such as prohibition on open reporting of classified information) it's something that already should be protected under the 1st Amendment, but as with most constitutional rights isn't sufficiently protected under current laws in many places.

[Rob Misek]

Are you suggesting that the crimes of perjury and fraud are in direct contradiction to 1a?

Lying is not protected speech.

If you recognized the authority of reality, truth, demonstrated by correctly applied logic and science you wouldn’t always be so easily refuted.

But how many times on this thread alone have I demonstrated that you’re a liar, Kol Nidre boy? Many.

[One-Punch_Man]

You mean besides making science up that closed schools - which put kids back years, or masks that caused some deaths, or vaccines that aren't proven.

Yes, funding a Chinese virus lab is an issue.

But hey, it never came from a lab right?

Sorry your argument is "Hey everyone was doing it, so don't punish our guy"

Fauci 40 years in government and has botched every response.

[Rob Misek]

I am saying that all kinds of corruption and conspiracies are being recognized like never before, with social media, and the perpetrators DEPEND on lying.

My 5 point plan only scratches the surface of a solution but is necessary if we EVER want to know the truth and act with agency.

Everyone who lies is like Fauci. We need to stop them all. Don’t just bitch about it.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

"Let's agree that neither Fauci, nor any other person in public life, should face death threats."
Death threats no. Execution yes.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

Burn him at the stake.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

Sarc burns steaks not stakes.

[Chumby]

Burn!

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

We can grill steaks while Fauci burns at the stake.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

And is there any proof that he actually received credible death threats? His word obviously means nothing. Can anyone point to a documented case like Nicholas Roske, who showed up at Brett Kavanaugh’s home to murder him and his family?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/27/politics/kavanaugh-roske-arrest-warrant/index.html

If not, I’m calling bullshit on Fauci’s claims.

[MrMxyzptlk]

Good point. Claiming that you are getting right wing death threats is pretty common for leftist in government. The FBI is finding Jan 6th folks from video without much trouble. You'd think if all these leftists were getting death threats by phone or mail the FBI would be dragging in the threateners to prosecute them. Oddly I dont recall any of those arrests being mentioned

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

If there were, it would be all over MSNBC and CNN 24 hours a day, every day. Unlike the Roske story. Haven’t heard anything about that since shortly after it happened.

[Stuck in California]

This is quite a thing in the internet era. It has bugged me for a long time.

Anyone who has ever wanted to pretend they are a victim cited "death threats" and a sympathetic media never seems to mention that the internets is the sort of place where someone would tell you to kill yourself for posting a vertical video to youtube, or whatever. It's super easy to generate your own anonymous threats, as well, if you want to promote that narrative.

Death threats and credible death threats are not the same.

Though, I wouldn't doubt Fauci might have gotten a more legit threat or two. Mostly because he's the type of asshole both to incite and deserve all kinds of hatred. I don't think it counts unless genuinely credible.

[Zipcreature]

Leftist dominated MSM & Big Tech take Leftist claims of ‘death threats’ deadly seriously but give zero credence when Conservatives receive the same threats.

The MSM & Big Tech are biased in favor of Leftists, and biased against Conservatives.

This is a fact which President DJT coined the term “Fake News” and the biased Leftist media ran propaganda pieces denying the Truth.

[Freethinksman]

What if there is? Is anyone supposed to think your view could be changed by new evidence? Anger plus ignorance makes a toxic cocktail and you're fucking drunk on it.

[Granite]

Tf you talking about

[Wally]

Needs to be repeated more often.

[One-Punch_Man]

No death threats if they are democrats. Death threats to Supreme Court or cops is a-ok!

[cjcoats]

If the Huffington Post (not a right-wing publication!) article of 2012 is correct, Fauci suppressed both a competing AIDS treatment in favor of his preferred one, and also suppressed the early use of Bactrim -- a large number of AIDS deaths are immediately due to an otherwise obscure pneumonia variant for which Bactrim is an effective treatment. According to the article, these actions caused more than 17,000 deaths. He should have been tried for crimes against humanith thirty years ago, and hanged then.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

This is an excellent time to bring that up, as it is ‘pride month’.

[Chumby]

Iirc, Fauci also intimated that AIDS could be contracted by casual contact thus alienating a generation of gay (men).

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

He said it could even be transmitted through contact such as school water fountains leading to schools disconnecting them.

Same lies proven wrong over and over.

[Chumby]

The best answer when dealing with unfolding public health situations that have questions where there is not a known answer is, “I don’t know.”

[ed tantamount]

Let's put you up first. Get that out of the way.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit

[Chumby]

I’ll be here waiting.

[Freethinksman]

That’s ridiculous. I get you’re angry, but punching the messenger doesn’t solve anything.
The pandemic was a new disease we knew little about. The very best anyone could do was use the *exact* same scientific method of trial and error as medicine has used since doctors first discovered that evidence is better than guessing. Maybe you still think rubbing a piece of potato on a wart and then burying it under a full moon is the answer. Medicine has shown that it’s not effective.

Fauci was making *reccomendations*. He had no power to legislate anything. He never tried to. All he could do was to look, in real time, at what the disease was doing, compare it to other similar diseases medicine knew a lot about, and try to predict what the best course might be. He has worked in public health for his entire career and there is no *factual* reason to think he was trying to do anything but save lives. All he could do was make the best guesses he could with the information available and make recommendations. It was up to feckless political leaders to take his recommendations, the recommendations of experts in business, education, etc., weigh all the pros and cons of all those peoples best suggestions and make decisions. Instead we had Donald Fucking Trump making his own best guesses at what might help him win re-election, and then bullshit people to try to look like he was weighing real information before coming to a decision. Blaming Fauci for what other people actually did is just ridiculously ignorant of how politicians actually make decisions, laws and policies. He had no power to force anything on anyone. The President did. Governors did. Mayors did. Doctors did not.

Spineless politicians are really good at claiming credit and shirking responsibility. Right Wing Angertainment “news” sources are really good at keeping eyeballs through scaring people and riling up dullards. Both those groups did outstanding jobs. Imbeciles unable to think critically and demanding to make yet another gray issue black and white without actual evidence are doing their jobs remarkably well still.

If you want to argue that Fauci’s suggestions were bad, fine. That is totally legit. He did not pretend to have experience in banking or education or manufacturing. Who were the leaders that didn’t argue against what Fauci was proposing? His suggestions were one small piece of the whole puzzle. You can’t blame him for laws, policies and rules he had absolutely ZERO control over. Jesus fucking Christ this is stupid!

[Granite]

Hey shill – yeah we know that Fauci knew. Fauci knew the virus was made in wuhan. He knew that gof was going on there. He used deception to pretend that it couldn’t possibly have been wuhan. What’s his motive you ask? Oh idk how bout the fact that he made 5 million during the pandemic. How about the fact his NIH was awarded 710 million. Why has Fauci been so deceitful about this whole debacle? Why has he been found to be lying about damn near everything? Why did he choose to implement controversial and unproven strategies that ended up harming the economy and school children?

You and your employer Fauci both need an introductory course on wood chipping.

[Freethinksman]

If you make shit up it's difficult to argue against it. Every time a simply, easily verifiable fact disproves one twisted, Republican-spun talking point, another one pops up out of the ether. Jesus Christ.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

If you deny what's known, it's obvious that you're a steaming pile of lefty shit propagandist.

[One-Punch_Man]

What stuff did he make up? His facts are known that he posted.

So Fauci making science up is ok in your book right? Masks, 6 ft distancing, and tons of other stuff. I'm sure if he told you to jump you would right? Oh and remember the lock people up for not wearing masks.

You know if a CEO made stuff up, which you can argue Fauci is CEO of US health (Paid like it). They would be in jail wouldn't they?

[Wally]

Keeping up the tradition of self labeling being the opposite of what you are. Freethinksman... Funny. Reminds my of Dylan Mulvaney calling himself a woman.

[Zeb]

Need some laws criminalizing constitutional violations by politicians and agents of the state.
Though the people I really want to see locked up are the governors who imposed lockdowns and forced business closures.

[ed tantamount]

Good idea. Let's put Donald away first.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

Let's fry your ass first.

[Freethinksman]

Maybe start with evidence of a crime first.

[Granite]

Taking aipac money. Get out the frying pan.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

Maybe start with honesty, but in dealing with steaming piles of lefty shit, that's asking a lot.
Fuck off and die, asshole.

[One-Punch_Man]

What's Trump's crime again?

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

They’re trying ed, but it’s not working out very well. It’s just making him more popular! It’s the damndest thing.

You must be one of those MAGA enthusiasts who want the don back in charge. Can’t blame ya. Bidenomics is a bitch.

[Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)]

Let’s put Donald away first.

It must be killing you guys that your election manipulation and interference isn't working.

[Chumby]

It is tantamount to an utter failure.

[Zipcreature]

It’s such a blatant attempt even children (like Lefties) can’t deny it!

[One-Punch_Man]

What about you? What about the rest of Congress that has paid out 17 million in hush money dollars?

Hey Ed, Biden should be put away for the secret documents he took as a Senator. Oh way, he's too old and senile to go to jail.

Funny, Hillary did an actual government crime by deleting email and on her own server. I work at the government, if I did that it would be 25 yrs. But hey, your team right.

Go sit on a cone

[MrMxyzptlk]

Good luck on that. I doubt they will pass a law that will make them all into felons.

Better to work to take power back from the legislature. Anytime someone says , "there ought to be a law" they need a solid punch in the face. Granting the government MORE power is a clear initiation of force and must be discouraged with violence if neccesary.

[Zeb]

Good luck on that too.

[Commenter_XY]

If Fauci is not imprisoned, there is no justice to be had in America.

[MrMxyzptlk]

In America you get all the justice you can afford. Even then sometimes you don't get justice.

[Don't look at me!]

Anthony Fauci is not a hero human.

[MrMxyzptlk]

Does that mean we can eat him?

[R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)]

Rocks aren’t human either, but you do you.

[MrMxyzptlk]

Salt is a rock. We eat a lot of that. But if that worry you do feel free to stop eating rocks.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

MrMxyzptlk 6/3/24
“…Thirdly, political prosecutions are not new, this is just the first time it was someone so high and they lost the trial.”

Still waiting for a cite, MrBullshitter.

[MrMxyzptlk]

You're arguing political prosecutions have NEVER happened in the US before? Don't you claim the Jan 6th folks are a political prosecution?

Do I need to cite that dick munch.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

Dems have done it before for sure. McDonnell (jack Smith to go 0-2), Flynn, abbot, etc. Maybe notice which party is behind the worst abuses?

[Zipcreature]

Lefties are the party of Lawfare.
Vote them out in 2024 - vote in local & state levels!
Vote for the party that DIDNT lie about:

The southern border, the swamp, ANTIFA, ‘grab her by the p*ssy’, ‘many fine ppl’, Covid-19 origins, Trayvon Martin being killed by a “white man”, global catastrophism, over population, Green Agenda…the list goes On and On and On!

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

You made a claim, absent one bit of evidence, asswipe. Now, cite or STFU, asshole.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

"You’re arguing political prosecutions have NEVER happened in the US before? Don’t you claim the Jan 6th folks are a political prosecution?"

Goal posts on wheels? Name a political enemy who was indicted for bogus reasons other than Trump.
"everybody knows" =/= a cite.

[Chumby]

An AI Fauci?!?!

[mattwa]

Something that appears to be being missed in the coverage and editorials on the latest revelations.

It isn't just that NIH and NIAID administrators avoided FOIA requests. Morens made it clear that one of the functions of the FOIA offices at NIH and NIAID is to train people on how to avoid those requests. People who we pay to fulfill requests for information about what our tax dollars are doing are instead teaching others, who we also pay, how to keep us in the dark.

Congressional hearings are generally bullshit, everyone is more concerned with getting their soundbites on tape than actually getting the answers we deserve. But I don't think I've seen anyone blow past obvious falsehoods and admissions of corruption the way this bunch has.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Yes. Why has the NIAD FOIA lady not been indicted?

[Minadin]

Not only that, he bragged that not a single FOIA request had been successful in producing useful information in his nearly 25-year tenure.

[DuaneMaxwell-HillWozniel]

If they have truly been removed from the system in a way that the email admin isn't able to retrieve them, someone in IT is also complicit in training them on FOIA avoidance.
And these fuckers have the chutzpah to immediately forward all emails to gmail and essentially conduct all business from there? What a security nightmare...
(And then double delete them again!)

[Super Scary]

Wait, you're telling me the guy with an action figure isn't a hero? Biden sang him happy birthday for nothing?!

[MrMxyzptlk]

Villains get action figures as well.

[Zipcreature]

Wow I did not know that was a creepy thing until just now.
Sickos

[Overt]

THE towering issue of our time is that the Federal Government, State Governments, and their corporate lackeys were able to drastically restrict the freedoms of hundreds of millions of people with no justification, AND THEY WILL NOT BE IMPRISONED FOR IT.

CDC Makes "recommendations" and gets the plausible deniability to say "Hey we aren't regulating anything!"

Countless state bureaucracies shut down vital services and restrict peoples' freedoms based on the recommendations, and gets the plausible deniability of "We are just following the recommendations."

Countless businesses make terrible, anti-freedom decisions out of fear from the government and civil suits, all because of this.

And behind the scenes, the Executive Branch is signaling who they will prosecute, and punish for not following recommendations.

And through this, as Soave amply points out: we were taking actions that had little to no basis in science. This chain of finger-pointing followed by fingers snapping must be confronted by a freedom-hungry society, as it is being repeated in environmental policy, ESG Policy and other areas where alphabet soup agencies make wholly political changes in our nation that they would not be able to do if they tried it directly.

[Ersatz]

CDC Makes “recommendations” and gets the plausible deniability to say “Hey we aren’t regulating anything!”
a variation of the…”hey I’m just a comedian – not a political commentator” dodge

[Minadin]

My county even set up a snitch hotline for people to report covid restriction violations by area businesses and their neighbors.

Unfortunately for those Karens who called in, apparently Missouri's Sunshine Law has more teeth than the federal FOIA, and the county was forced to release the list of people who snitched.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

Snitching bitches get stitches.

[Chumby]

It was good the covid dry rats got unmasked.

[Zipcreature]

Everyone followed the “CDC RECOMMENDATIONS” as if they were ORDERS.
Fauci claims ‘it was ALL ATHE CDC’ yet he said “I AM the science” and also complained when he WASNT included in CDC Chinese COVID-19 guideline discussions.

He can’t have it both ways, and anyone with a brain can see Faucis lies.

[Idaho-Bob]

Let's agree that neither Fauci, nor any other person in public life, should face death threats.

Fuck that. Many of them threatened us with prison or starvation for rejecting their tyranny.

[Spiritus Mundi]

He shouldn't face threats.

[tracerv]

^^^this too!

[Zeb]

Death threats don't help, though. He should be duly tried and convicted and then drawn and quartered.

[Rick James]

By a jury of his peers in MAGA country.

[sarcasmic]

Great point. If there’s one thing I’ve learned from the Trump's Deranged Supporters it's that crimes should be tried not where the alleged crime was committed, but rather some other place based upon election results. Not only that, but potential jurors should be quizzed on how they voted. Everything is political. Everything.

[Don't look at me!]

Everything is political.

Said the guy who brought up trump in a Fauci thread.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

How did I know you'd come in to defend Fauci and attack your enemies?

[DesigNate]

Did Fauci’s crimes not affect the middle of America too?

[sarcasmic]

Crimes. Were specific statutes violated? I'm no fan of the guy and wouldn't object to him being drawn and quartered as a matter of principle, but did he commit any actual crimes?

[Minadin]

Lying to Congress - many times. Actually, pretty much every time.

I'd be surprised if his various covert methods for funding banned research did not run afoul of a number of fraud / embezzlement / etc. statutes.

Various and numerous FOIA violations.

[Wally]

Inside trading. Fraud.
It's amazing how much money you can make on the stock market when you know what industries/companies will be required to close their doors and which will not.

[sarcasmic]

Didn't Trump sign the CARES Act somewhere on this timeline?

[Minadin]

Bring back pillory.

[A Thinking Mind]

Depends on what counts as a "death threat." People who are so smugly deceptive like this, believing they can never get caught, need to be publicly shamed. It's healthy for society to recognize and confront the con artists and to say absolutely nasty things about them. If his "death threats" are people online saying, "I hope he does of COVID and AIDS tomorrow," that's a healthy thing for society to be saying about him.

Him covering his own ass and then the media covering for him because he was a public servant is despicable. He violated any duty of candor or care in what is ostensibly a non-political position. He was running his own fiefdom in the government in a non-elected position, wielding immense power, and using it to advance his own agenda without any voters being able to direct respond to a referenda on him through an election. The government is actually full of these mini-despots, but we shouldn't be shameful about tearing one down for the harm he's personally responsible for.

[Zipcreature]

Fuck THAT! Many suggested with-holding medical care for Republicans (unvaccinated)!!!

Most Liberals CHEERED unvaccinated deaths and WISHED DEATH UPON THOSE UNVACCINATED.

You LIARS!

[tracerv]

^^^this.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

'Jamie Raskin (D–Md.) apologized to Fauci on behalf of his colleagues, chided the right for embracing "the big medical lie" that Fauci was somehow responsible for causing the pandemic, and then pointlessly turned the conversation toward Trump's recent felony conviction.'

Pointlessly? Dude, don't you even election year?

[Chumby]

Narrator’s voice:

After simping, Representative Raskin then crawled under the desk and proceeded to blow Doctor Fauci.

[Zipcreature]

lol YAAAAHS QUEEN YAHS!

[Jefferson Paul]

Is Sarc Jamie Raskin's handle on Reason.com?

[Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana]

Fauci's role in the alleged lab leak cover-up is a different matter. As Reason's Christian Britschgi documented in his write-up of the hearing, it is now well-established that Fauci's straightforward denial to Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) regarding U.S. funding of gain-of-function research was at best misleading

Congratulations Peanuts!! Your theories on the lab leak theory have officially been moved up from crackpottery to merely dubious. Kudos! Lizard people pedophiles running the Democrat Party is still unproven though. Awww.

[Chumby]

Tell us more about the MSM narrative wet market theory. Am sure can you can go to bat for that.

[Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana]

It has nothing to do with the MSM— unless you lump in 50 years of molecular biology with Rachel Maddow (but, hey, you guys believe in so much wacky shit why not?)— it has to do with there are established mechanisms for viral mutation in non-human hosts which confers infectivity upon humans. Lots of examples. Until you have the nucleotide structure in the lab or a researcher that directly worked on these viruses saying that they did this work you are merely engaging in conjecture at best, politically motivated conspiracy theories at worst. I’ve seen your work here so I’m going with the latter.

[Chumby]

A notoriously dirty lab funded by Fauci doing the same research he wasn’t supposed to be funding in the same place where the virus outbreak occurred with a researcher there raising an alarm bell days before it became a know reports the on social media before disappearing warrants substantial followup. But tell us more about the wet market.

Given the deaths, massive loss of productivity, and loss of freedoms imposed by government sanctions on citizens covid demands a “what happened” investigation.

The 1918 flu can be traced to farm in Kansas adjacent to a military base where US servicemen training there that soon after deployed to Europe to join the Great War. We seem to know more about that than the 100 years later covid.

Keep chaffing and redirecting.

[Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana]

A notoriously dirty lab funded by Fauci doing the same research he wasn’t supposed to be funding in the same place where the virus outbreak occurred

Doesn’t mean shit no matter what John Stewart says.

[Don't look at me!]

What you doesn’t mean shit.

[Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana]

I mean precisely that. Doesn’t… Mean… Shit. Every medium-sized town in America probably has a lab doing some sort of research on viruses. A significant portion of those labs do research on coronaviruses and research related to improving infectivity (that’s a desirable quality, FYI)

[Don't look at me!]

Cool story.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

Nice diversion. Completely pathetic, desperate and ineffective.

The democrats could intentionally release a virus that would conclusively result in the end of the human race and you would still carry water for them and deny everything. This is proof your kind must be removed.

[R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)]

Nonsense.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Asshole.

[Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)]

“Every medium-sized town in America probably has a lab doing some sort of research on viruses. A significant portion of those labs do research on coronaviruses and research related to improving infectivity”

This is a lie, Shrike.

It’s not even remotely true and you know it.

In fact Wuhan is just one of 59 maximum containment labs in operation in the entire world.

So why’d you lie?

I imagine you’re now going to try some goalposts moving and call every hospital lab a research institution, but they aren’t. Nor is the pre-med lab at your community college.
They may detect pathogens but they DO NOT fucking research them.

[MrMxyzptlk]

59 divided by… um… I think that means, if evenly distributed, that only 1 in 3 nations has a lab of that kind. It would be hard for our share of that lab be divided over 50 states much less over all the reasonably sized cities.

[BillEverman]

"Probably." If you don't know something, make a guess that supports your claim, and treat your guess as evidence.

According to the article I'm linking below, there were, as of 2021, 59 labs like the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab, in the world--I count a dozen in all of Asia. Wuhan was the largest.

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/fifty-nine-labs-around-world-handle-the-deadliest-pathogens-only-a-quarter-score-high-on-safety

[Chumby]

That sounds just like something Shrike would say, that failed day trader that posted links to cp here.

[mattwa]

I see. So emails between Daszak and the Wuhan lab where they discuss building something very, very similar to COVID-19, including the attributes that supposedly prove natural origins, mean nothing. It could evolve naturally, so it must have evolved naturally, no matter how hard anyone was working on making it in a lab.

We just have to wait for the Chinese government to turn over all the evidence before this can be considered more than a conspiracy theory. Because it's not just about trusting our government, no matter how far fetched their excuses become. It's about trusting every government.

[Set Us Up The Chipper]

See the EcoHealth's response to the DEFUSE program that was rejected by DARPA but was likely implemented in WIV.

[Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana]

Question: you don’t know the difference between DNA and RNA so why have an opinion on the matter?

[Chumby]

Watson and Crick.

[Rick James]

He's kind of got you there. One of our supreme court justices doesn't know the difference between man and woman, so why should she ever have an opinion on the matter?

[Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)]

Question: you don’t know the difference between DNA and RNA so why have an opinion on the matter?

How do you figure that? What did Chumby say to give you that idea?

Now, seeing as I'm the type of guy who spends a good chunk of my day with PCA maps of things like of Y-STR haplotypes, I'd like to ask you the same question.

What is the difference between DNA and RNA, Shrike?

And remember, I'll be googling your reply to look for copypaste jobs.

[Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana]

Broadly, DNA stores genetic information. RNA copies that information and is involved in protein synthesis.

[Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)]

That's a little too broadly and essentially doesn't say anything.

Furthermore, you're describing the job of messenger RNA (mRNA) as RNA as a whole. As for storing genetic information, many viruses encode their genetic information using an RNA genome rather than DNA.

[Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana]

Yes, there’s special cases of RNA storing genetic information but the general flow is DNA—>RNA—>Protein. mRNA does not store genetic information in the way that non-pedants understand such things— as in, transferring traits from parent to daughter cells.

[Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)]

mRNA does not store genetic information in the way that non-pedants understand such things

Now you're moving goalposts from RNA to mRNA. Did you think we wouldn't notice?

[MrMxyzptlk]

That's what Wikipedia says and they stole that from a 5th grade science text book.

[R Mac (5-30-24, sarc’s too drunk to remember what he thinks about it)]

“How do you figure that? What did Chumby say to give you that idea?”

This retard just makes things up because he’s too retarded to respond to what anyone actually says.

[MrMxyzptlk]

That's not a actual question douchebag. That's a statement followed by a rhetorical question. Also, how do you know they don't know the difference? Clearly one starts with "D" and the other with "R".

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

Question: What happened to your other brain cell, steaming pile of shit?

[Rick James]

So… is Fauci still the stoned college student in your back seat telling you to turn left instead of right when you’re making a midnight run to the Burger Hole?

[Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana]

Peanuts:

3 simple things, ok?

1.) We don’t know where Covid-19 came from. Anyone claiming the opposite is either stupid, ill-informed or trying to sell you a yoga class
2.) Any legal action promoting the idea that a private citizen should be imprisoned (or on this board, executed) because they constructed this virus at the behest of Bill Gates and George Soros should be tossed out of court for lack of evidence (see 1. above)
3.) It’s a pretty interesting development that libertarians— of all people— apparently want Top Men in the government to now be involved in the design of experiment phase whenever a scientist writes a grant. When did that happen and where in any of the books written by Ayn Rand and Murray Rothbard is this cited as a desirable feature of the public sphere?

[Rick James]

1.) We don’t know where Covid-19 came from. Anyone claiming the opposite is either stupid, ill-informed or trying to sell you a yoga class

Nurse: Doctor, patient with a bullet in his chest coming into the ER, prepare for surgery?

Doctor: Where did the bullet come from?

Nurse: A gun... presumably?

Doctor: Never make that assumption, we have no idea how it got there! SCIENCE, NURSE JENKINS, LEARN IT!

3.) It’s a pretty interesting development that libertarians— of all people— apparently want Top Men in the government to now be involved in the design of experiment phase whenever a scientist writes a grant. When did that happen and where in any of the books written by Ayn Rand and Murray Rothbard is this cited as a desirable feature of the public sphere?

DOD official: What's this?

Fauci: It's a grant for um... research.

DoD official: What... kind of research Dr... Fauci is it?

Fauci: Research, don't worry about it.

Dod official: *scrolls through 17,922 page document, stopping on page 16,421, then scrolls back to 16,420* Um, hang on... *ctrl-f gain of func 0/0* Huh... Looking through this grant proposal, it looks very gain-of-function-ey, yet you don't seem to use that phrase anywh...

Fauci: Oh, so now you gotta be involved in the design experiment phase of every grant written to this office? Authoritarian much?

[Dillinger]

lol ^^

[Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)]

1.) We don’t know where Covid-19 came from. Anyone claiming the opposite is either stupid, ill-informed or trying to sell you a yoga class

This is a lie.

We absolutely know that Covid-19 was first noted in a city that has a lab that doing gain of function research with the same coronaviruses, and had been commissioned to do so by Fauci.

We also know that the US has copies of essentially the same coronavirus, that was developed in the United States using a Homeland Security grant authorized by Dick Cheney, and escaped the lab in 2013. We know that Obama ordered the program shut down after the lab escape. Which is when it was offshored to Wuhan, Winnipeg and Kiev, by Fauci.

Why do you lie on this Shrike? It doesn’t even make the Dems look bad.

[Chumby]

His pathology leads him to this type of behavior.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

Why does he fuck little boys?

[Zeb]

What I want is the government to get out of the grant funding business. It's a huge contributor to the politicization of science.

[MrMxyzptlk]

If the government that steals our money in the form of taxes is going to finance dangerous research that government needs oversight to insure the money they stole from us is being being spent in an intelligent manner.

The Libertarian answer is to not let the government steal the fucking money in the first place. It's in the simplified slogan of "Don't hurt people or take their stuff."

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

One simple thing:
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Asshole.

[Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)]

[Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana]

Three more things, ok?

4. I’m not Shrike. Surely, my posturing on the Democratic Party (I support it!) gives that away

5. Posting meaningless and non-sequitor responses (ex. “Watson and Crick!”) shows that a.) you know how to post word malarkey, and b.) don’t know who really came up with the shape of the DNA molecule.

6.) Postulating that previous examples of bad behavior or that scientists come up with fatuous proposals for ill-advised experimentation (Your Honour, we stipulate!) doesn’t prove anything related to the origins of Covid-19.

[Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)]

The "peanuts" and other Shrikeisms give you away, pedo.

Next time you decide to sock maybe change up the grammar and phrasing a little.

[Chumby]

Yeah ok there Shrike. Nice wickerman you are constructing.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"I’m not Shrike."

"Senater" (sic) Tim Scott, and your homoerotic obsession with him, is another dead giveaway.

[Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana]

True, I am interested in a man that proclaims himself a 47- year old virgin and then plucks a random women, who was convicted of fraud, off the street to be hiz wife. That’s pretty interesting— and fun too.

[Mother's Lament (Banana Republic Day - May 30, 2024)]

““Senater” (sic) Tim Scott, and your homoerotic obsession with him”

No, no, you don’t understand. Miraculously there’s another guy here who uses the same syntax, calls everyone the exact same unusual pejorative, and obsesses about Tim Scott.

[Chumby]

My thought is he does it on purpose with his socks. He’s pathological where he gets his jollies from the attention he gets when posting garbage here.

[Zipcreature]

That’s why they are MUTED. Do not feed trolls; focus on real conversation.

[MrMxyzptlk]

Can you prove you did anything other than go to Wikipedia and read an article on DNA and RNA?

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

One more simple thing:
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Asshole.

[Well Adjusted Biden Guy With Banana]

Oh good… it’s Sevo and his profane 110-year old man ruminations on public policy. Just what we need.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

Yet one more simple thing:
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Asshole.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

Oh, and BTW, your pre-adolescent drivel is worth exactly what you're getting.
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.

[Dillinger]

bummer you weren’t out front with the rest of us on the war criminal.

[Chumby]

In about three years, the editors will start penning articles describing the failure of Biden’s policies and not use that as a mechanism to be pedantic about minutiae pertaining to Trump.

[Dillinger]

Was Brandon the Big Guy? ~~Robby 2027

[ducksalad (5/30 bad, really!)]

Government officials who propose bad policies should be voted out of office or fired as appropriate. They cannot be jailed, however.

If it’s a “proposal” presented merely for purposes of debate, that’s one thing.

If it’s a “proposal” likely to, and intended to, result in an action by another official that violates civil liberties, then sure it’s jailable.

Example #1: Suggesting on a talk show that we round up foreign born citizens and put them into forced labor camps. Reprehensible, grounds for termination, not jailable.

Example #2: Writing a memo to the president suggesting that he round up foreign born citizens and put them into labor camps, and the president does it. Very jailable.

Fauci knew that his “proposals” were being acted upon by state and federal officials, and I doubt that was an unintentional side effect of him merely exercising his free speech.

[ed tantamount]

If calling him a hero (or claiming he was called a hero by anyone that matters) then denouncing him to benefit your narrative is your plan then that is woefully pathetic. Dude was/is a public servant. The Donald was in charge, recall?

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

“…Dude was/is a public servant. The Donald was in charge, recall?”

Didn’t take long before some slimy pile of TDS-addled shit would make this claim, right, steaming pile of shit?

[Chumby]

Jeff tried to blame the draconian blue state lockdowns on Trump via inference. Different lost souls, same sophomoric crap.

[Zipcreature]

“I AM the science!” Buck stops at Fauci.

[tekcoyote]

"Government officials who propose bad policies should be voted out of office or fired as appropriate. They cannot be jailed, however."

Well, maybe not and maybe. If the policies are ever shown--and they might well be shown--to have caused fatalities; and if the policies are shown (or, in this case admitted) to be whimsical and capricious, then there are crimes: reckless endangerment, wrongful death, conspiracy to deprive people* of their constitutional rights, and more. Those are things that send people to penitentiaries.

So, maybe they do go to jail for these things.

* Think Jay Batacharya, other signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration, anyone who opposed the party line of "social distancing," mandatory vaccination,** mandatory masking, etc.

** The definition of human research is the a priori gathering of clinical information relating to diagnosis and treatment of disease. By international law--to which the US is a signatory--this ~requires~ the informed consent of the subjects. Nowhere is there a provision for what was done during the pandemic. So what? What that means is that Fauci et al were, by definition, conspiring to violate that law. Informed consent? First, any consent given could not have been informed since there were no data, i.e. actual science, to share with the subjects. The best they could have offered would have been, "we're not sure, but we think this would be a good idea. You OK with that?" But that's not what people were told. They were intentionally mislead so they'd be willing--if not actually consented--subjects.

So we ask qui bono? Who benefits/benefitted? Were I in Congress, I'd subpoena Fauci's tax returns for the past 5 years. And I'd have an army of excellent forensic accountants looking around to see where he might have hidden payments that he might not want to divulge.

[AT]

Government officials who propose bad policies should be voted out of office or fired as appropriate.

Out of a cannon.

[Moderation4ever]

Dr. Fauci is an after-the-fact scapegoat for the Trump administration's failure to effectively address the pandemic. He is not going to jail, and I think he will be vindicated in the long run. He will be viewed like so many people smeared during the Joe McCarthy era. What is most notable is that while many in the Trump administration are fearful and will not testify before Congress on any matter, Dr. Fauci comes back and talks to Congress. Congress doesn't hear because they are too busy trying to make points with the public. Dr. Fauci has the courage of his convictions, something missing from many others.

[BillEverman]

I'm no Trump fan, not by a long shot, but every time someone talks about "the Trump administration's failure to effectively address, the pandemic," I have to ask for particulars. All I ever get is, well, he said stuff. But what did he, or didn't he, DO? Was Operation Warp Speed supposed to be Warp Speedier? Should he have asked for more lockdowns sooner? What were the policies he should have put in place, but didn't, or shouldn't have, but did? And are the national leaders in other countries with more deaths per capita also culpable, or were those deaths also Trump's fault?

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

M4e doesn't even get to that level; he slings bullshit and walks away

[Moderation4ever]

The Trump administration failed to properly address the Covid 19 pandemic in large part because the former President lacked the skill set for leadership. Lacks an ability to put in the hard work leadership requires and the ability to put finding a solution ahead of their personal feelings. We saw elements of the former President's limitation in small crisis like hurricane responds and then full out when a major crisis like a worldwide pandemic struck.

Messaging was the first element of failure. A complete lack of message discipline with multiple contradictory messages coming out of the administration. While Donald Trump has an ability to tap into people's anger, he lacks and ability to touch the fear behind the anger or the people's hopes. He floundered about telling people that the pandemic would be over this week or next or hocking some treatment. All without really talking to people about the difficulties or about how we could get through this difficult time. Trump also knew earlier the real danger of the Covid19 virus but did not disclose this to the people. The excuse was not to cause a panic, but a leader knows how to talk to people to tell them of the danger and to reassure them to avoid a panic. The Swedish government did not impose draconian measure to address Covid19 but it did talk to it people and ask for voluntary action. Trump could have talked more about the disease and the people's fears and what people can do instead of having lockdowns.

Planning was a second area of failure for the Trump administration. Peter Navarro alerted the President early at the start of the pandemic and that warning was missed or ignored. Trump needed to get the experts together to plan to address the pandemic and to do it in such a way to lessen impacts to the country. A leader's job is to find the right experts and to mold their recommendation into a workable plan. Trump had in-house experts but needed to balance them with outside expert and get them to a consensus. This was especially true for keeping education going. Recruiting experts from Fox news doesn't work, you have to turn off the TV and start reading, this was beyond Trump.

Response to the pandemic was poor, it was late, haphazard, and too expensive. An earlier response could have lessened the need for the type of draconian actions taken latter like lock-downs. There should have been more testing, tracking and isolation of infected of exposed people early in the infection. The country needed a rapid test for infection and that needed to be warp speed also. The President needed to use his authority to ramp up production of tests, supplies and equipment needed for prevention and treatment. Leaders work with people at the state and local levels and set aside differences, a skill beyond Trump. The President also failed to use his influence with Congress to draft laws that helped those effected by the pandemic, but not to overspend. Presidential leadership work with Congress was something Trump did poorly. This problem of Trump leadership was foreshadowed early on with failure to reform the ACA or to address immigration. The result was excessive spending. I was retired at the time of the pandemic, no need to give me any cash payments. Some businesses thrived during the pandemic and did not need help. Money needed to be targeted with less spent but spent more effectively.

The fact is we don't know that another President could have done a better job, but we know they could not have done worse.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

M4e doesn’t even get to that level; he slings bullshit and walks away. Told ya.

[Wally]

You're probably one of the scumbags that called shutting down travel from the point of origin racist.

[Zipcreature]

Fauci lied to Congress and the American people multiple times - he misled us and people suffered because of it.
Why he’s not in jail for lying to Congress & the American people is beyond me, and I expect my Conservative leaders to pursue this person at the fullest extent possible or I will vote those Conservative leaders out.

[Tim Broweraz]

Fauci impacted people lives and livelihoods based on his words, he wanted to force the shot. His shooting from the hip with no scientific basis was wrong, he should have been honest when he did not know.

[CE]

If he had been honest (about his role in funding and promoting the research which led to weaponized COVID), he would be in jail now.

[Uomo Del Ghiaccio]

When the pandemic, I gave Fauci the benefit of the doubt as we didn't know much. However as 15 days became 30-60-90 days it started to become evident that he was a snake-oil salesman.

Now with hindsight, it is apparent that Fauci gives snake-oil salesmen a bad name. I understand that information evolves, but the outright lying and failure to take accountability is way beyond the pale. It reminds be of "It depends what the definition is is" BS that Bill Clinton pulled.

[Old Engineer]

So Raskin is upset that Marjorie Taylor Greene attacked Fauci because it could result in an increased number of death threats to Fauci. Raskin accused Trump of wanting to establish a Trumpian dictatorship, virtually calling Trump a Hitler clone. Of course comparing someone to a mass murderer wouldn't endanger Trump, would it?

[YuckFou]

Consider:
* Fauci funded creating the Covid virus at Wuhan.
* 16 million people died worldwide from Covid.
* 1.1 million Americans died from Covid.
* Approximately 300,000 Americans died from Covid because they were too stupid to get vaccinated, and they were denied alternative treatment by Fauci’s policy.
Fauci is the greatest mass murderer in US history. I woud be happy to see Fauci walked to the gallows.

[CE]

Fauci is more like a super-villain. He even looks like one.

[One-Punch_Man]

Look he’s not going to go to jail. He’s part of the protected class.
He should lose his 400k pension though. Taxpayers shouldn’t have to pay that