No, Vivek Ramaswamy, a Libertarian-Nationalist Alliance Doesn't Make Sense
He says the two ideas "are not in tension with one another." He's wrong.

While speaking at the Libertarian National Convention (LNC) on Friday, tech entrepreneur and failed GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy floated an idea upon which he said the "future of this country depends."
All that it requires is for libertarians to decide to support a larger, more powerful federal government.
"I believe that the future of this country depends on a libertarian-nationalist alliance that will save this country," Ramaswamy argued from the main stage at the LNC, where he also debated Clint Russell, one of several men running for the Libertarian Party's vice presidential nomination.
Those comments were met with a smattering of boos from the crowd of Libertarian delegates—and for good reason. There are many factions of libertarians, of course, but the one belief that unites the movement is an understanding that individuals are best suited to make their own decisions about how to live. Nationalism, at its root, is a fundamentally collectivist idea that prioritizes the needs of the state over the choices of individuals.
In off-stage comments to Reason at the LNC, Ramaswamy reiterated his belief in a libertarian-nationalist alliance. When pushed to explain how two seemingly opposing viewpoints could find common ground, he argued that the two are "not overlapping objectives, but they are not in tension with one another."
"When I say 'nationalist,' I mean a revival of our national identity," Ramaswamy explained to Reason TV's Zach Weissmueller (whose video coverage of the LNC will be forthcoming). "I don't think that's counter to libertarian principles at all. I think we've lost that national pride and identity in our country, and I think that is a foundational issue."
With all due respect to Ramaswamay, that's a load of crap. The current wave of nationalism sweeping the right wing of American politics is not about innocent-sounding things like restoring national pride. Its proponents are quite open about the fact that they want to grow the power of the state to pursue things like industrial policy, aggressive deportations, and even very silly stuff like banning lab-grown meat.
That puts the two perspectives very much in tension. In practice, libertarians advocate for decreasing the power of the state to control individual freedom. Nationalists have no qualms about limiting the free movement of people or goods if those restrictions are seen to be—or imagined to be—in the amorphous interests of the country (which really means in the best interest of whatever special interest manages to control the policymaking apparatus).
Thankfully, the future of the country doesn't rest on Ramaswamy's idea, because his idea is frankly insane. It's a bit like suggesting that the Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees team up to win the American League—except actually worse because in this analogy the Yankees don't want to win baseball games, they want to police your personal and financial choices.
Of course, the obvious subtext of Ramaswamy's comments becomes clear once you recall that he's now an official surrogate for former President Donald Trump, who is scheduled to address the LNC on Saturday night. The deal Ramaswamy is really offering goes like this: libertarians should vote for Trump. There is no second part.
Ramaswamy was once a college libertarian and may at times still espouse libertarian ideas—indeed, he was sometimes the most libertarian candidate on stage during the Republican primary debates earlier this year (though he was also often one of the loudest advocates for authoritarian ideas.) None of that matters right now, because Ramaswamy's job through the first week of November is convincing people to vote for Trump. Libertarians should not be naive about this.
Yes, politics is the art of compromise and, yes, libertarian goals can be achieved (and must be achieved) by working with people who are not libertarians. Trump, despite all his deficit-spending and tariff-hiking and wall-building, did sign the First Step Act. President Joe Biden, despite all his deficit-spending and tariff-hiking and loan-forgiving, did end the war in Afghanistan.
Libertarians should always be ready to nudge those in power toward decisions that increase freedom—but we have no obligation to help anyone achieve power in the first place.
That matters, because Ramaswamy does not seem to be suggesting an acute alliance aimed at specific policy goals. His remarks to Reason and on stage at the LNC suggest a high-level, strategic alliance between two competing political philosophies for the purposes of increasing electoral success. That is, for the goal of achieving political power for its own sake.
Libertarians ought to reject such will-to-power arguments—and boo anyone who makes them, as delegates to the LNC did. An electoral alliance with those who wish to enlarge the state's power over individuals, corporations, and markets is not the path to greater freedom.
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The philosophies might be in tension, contra to his statement, but the goal: getting the terrible totalitarian Marxist progressive Democrats completely out of power, can be shared.
Alliances aren't mergers. See: Every parliamentary system of governance on Earth.
No alliances are not mergers. But how alliance relationships are managed can be just as important as defeating a common enemy.
But Boehm is all for the totalitarian marxists because they've promises himca stateless society and unicorns.
He also voted for it
Enthusiastically and recklessly.
In other words: "Vivek's full of shit; let's go Brandon".
Getting the terrible totalitarian Marxists out of power might be your goal but it’s not my goal if it means getting the terrible totalitarian national Mussolinis into power. Minadin, you’re a shill for Trumpist Republicans and Trumpist Republicans are shills for Trump. The socialists have already done a century worth of political, social and economic damage to America. The remedy for that is not to let the National Socialists have the next century to do more political, social and economic damage to America but to get both of you out of power – permanently – and let free markets repair the damage.
You can hang by your principles if you wish to. I will not, this time.
You don't have any principles.
What's the weather like in fantasy land? Is there always a rainbow without rain?
Trump did very little in office other than cut some regulations and get a few minor bills passed including a tax cut with a sunset provision. He most certainly did not turn federal law enforcement against his political enemies. He did not have the FBI send a kill squad to kill an old fat man in Utah that wrote nasty words about him on the internet.
Tell me which journalists were spied on by the NSA under Trump?
What wars did he start?
Which industries did he nationalize?
Balkanization may be the best path forward.
This.
Idealist one size fits all libertarianism can be as bad as any other ideal system.
Some people may prefer a firmwr social structure to their lives, more reliance on government.
Moving power to lower levels and allowing people to choose their form of community is libertarian as long as freedom of movement is enshrined. The best systems will expand whole the worst will fail. A market system.
Supporting a nation over globalism is the preferred structure. This false intelligent design of globalism is just taking power from the masses to concentrate it in the few.
You seriously need to take a break from ZeroHeade. This "globalism" boogeyman is absurd.
Ostensibly (to you) the US is losing some international power struggle driven by globalists.
No, dumbass. We're winning at everything. Even the ICC can't touch anyone because the USA won't join.
We just needed the TPP so that we controlled Pacific trade. But Fatass Donnie and his fellow anti-USA trade populist brethren Bernie Sanders led the smear campaign against TPP.
Fuck off with your ActBlue tropes and Media Matters narratives you discount DNC shill.
*Globalists say some crazy shit*
Shrike - "Oooooo... you're a coNsPirAcY tHeoRisT to think that they mean what they say"
You prove why populism is just sugary empty politician bullshit.
The US has the global reserve currency, the dominant military, the greatest market system by far, the pre-eminent legal system, the highest GDP. the most wealth, the best universities, and more.
WOE BE TO THE US! ONLY MR. MAGA LOUDMOUTH CAN SAVE US!
You mad bro that Guatemala is investigating Dr. Jill’s reported child import NGO?
Petrodollar and reserve currency status faltering. The US mil lost to a group of AK wielding goat herders. The US has the biggest debt and that is accelerating.
The age of decadence is followed by decline.
You’re a fucking idiot, and dishonest as well. Fuck of pedo.
"The US has the global reserve currency, the dominant military, the greatest market system by far, the pre-eminent legal system, the highest GDP. the most wealth, the best universities, and more."
Look at this shithead, folks.
The topic was, in Shrike's own words "some international power struggle driven by globalists", and because he was losing he immediately switched to rah-rah jingoism about what appears to be America in the sixties, and acts like that was the topic.
What a clown.
You seriously need to take a break from ZeroHeade. This “globalism” boogeyman is absurd.
When the Open Society shill deflects from his side's machinations.
You’re a bottom level henchmen for globalist filth like the Soros clan. You’re also a pedophile.
"Moving power to lower levels and allowing people to choose their form of community is libertarian as long as freedom of movement is enshrined. "
So as long as you can run away, community theft of your property is OK?
No community has any rights, only the individual has rights. If a community "chooses" (which means majority rule limited only by the ability to escape their terror by running away) to steal, then every part of you life belongs to them. This is an idea more vile than anything that Biden or Trump advocate.
Freedom of movement includes freedom of your property. But if you decide to go to a strong structural system, that is a choice you made. Your choice to then force others to live with your ideals instead their own is a violation of the NAP itself.
This demand from some who believe their system of libertarian is pure and others must abide by their choices is not libertarian.
This demand that your choice trumps others is the most vile thing one can impart.
"Moving power to lower levels and allowing people to choose their form of community..."
This is communitarianism, the worst form of tyranny. "Moving power" doesn't free anyone, it merely transfers the tyranny from a large group to a smaller one, one that is in your face 24-7. The "people" will choose? With power, their choice is always tyranny. The power of man over man must be ended and the rights of the individual acknowledged as the only basis for a free society.
Unlike the post-modern bullshit of some libertarians, words have real meanings.
I’m your libertarian view you would make a hippy commute illegal instead of letting individuals decide the form of community you want. It is a vile thing that you demand others to only implement your view of community.
Apparenly you dont realize as long as people can choose who they choose to commune with, it doesn’t fucking matter who you want them to community with.
Idealism is always authoritarianism and you’re just fucking proof of it.
Let me guess, you want to destroy family structures too? Youre closer to an anarchomarxist.
My view of community is a voluntary one where the rules are set in advance and cannot be changed by a mere majority. That's a constitutional republic, not a hippie commune.
The main rules are private property and free association. If you want a community of "evolving" rights, common property and majority rule, fine, just keep it to yourselves and leave the rest of us alone.
The power of man over man will never be ended until man is remade. Until such time, what will happen is some asshole like (insert your most hated politician name here) will figure out a way to amass power and a gang and start trying to subjugate people in close proximity.
Jesse, your view is shortsighted. When have the communists been satisfied with their holdings? They cannot allow a prosperous neighbor's existence to highlight the failure of their system. That's why their religious zealots move into red areas and immediately find the choke points of power such that little red towns have drag story hour in the library.
Your suggestion sounds good on paper. In the real world communists will consolidate their holdings, then expand.
The only way for an individual to secure his rights is through cooperation with others who share his ideals. That’s why atomic individualism divorced from community and nation will always fail - because you are trying to convince a majority with their own personal interests to agree to let you do whatever even if it conflicts with their own perceived interests. That’s going to lose in any system, but it is super obviously going to fail in a democracy.
The fact that libertarians are not interested in even allowing for a group of like-minded people to coalesce and enact their ideal in a very limited sense is what makes you perennially unattractive.
"...even if it conflicts with their own perceived interests..."
Contrary to the common political belief, perception is not reality. Free association is not "atomic individualism" which is an idiotically oxymoronic phrase since it implies that immersion in sensory deprivation chambers is the ideal way of life.
Individualism is the basis for cooperation, not its antithesis.
"allowing for a group of like-minded people to coalesce and enact their ideal in a very limited sense"
If you want to form a commune, more power to you. Carry on there just about any way you like--I mean maybe no child fucking or human sacrifices--but pretty much anything you all want to agree to do amongst yourselves, have at it!
But in no way will I support you enacting your ideals upon me and mine. I suspect you'd feel the same way if *my* group of like-minded people coalesced and enacted (by force, what other way is there) their ideal on you.
"President Joe Biden, despite all his deficit-spending and tariff-hiking and loan-forgiving, did end the war in Afghanistan."
And how did that go?
Trump ended it, then Biden extended it with serious and fatal botches along that path. Biden also championed and voted for the Afghanistan war while a sitting senator then helped manage 8 years of imperial occupation as assistant manager to Obama.
Bob Woodward's book,* I can't remember which one, mentions that Biden alone in Obama's cabinet was in favor of a withdrawal from Afghanistan. The rest of them were far more hawkish. The same book, if I recall, details Trump's resistance to his far more hawkish cabinet's advice to go to war against Iran.
*One of the three books he wrote on the Trump years.
And how did that go?
It was a bit of a sloppy pullout.
It was a humiliating catastrophe - complete with images of bodies falling from planes - that totally discredited Biden's "the adults are back in charge" appeal. Even leftist NPR admits: For Biden, the chaotic withdrawal from Kabul was a turning point in his presidency
"A year ago, U.S. troops withdrew from Afghanistan, a chaotic end to America's longest war — and a turning point in the Biden presidency, a moment when his approval ratings fell, and never fully recovered."
Naturally, since you're a mindless partisan shill, you tried to downplay it. SLOPPY PULLOUT!!!!!! you spammed, combining your 13-year-old's sense of humor with your #DefendBidenAtAllCosts mission.
When you realized that wasn't working, you changed tactics. You decided the fiasco really was a big deal after all ..... but it was actually Trump's fault! Because you read a Juan Cole blog post or something.
In short, the Afghanistan mess provided an early illustration of how pathetic Biden is, and how eager you are to embarrass yourself on his behalf. We'd see this pattern play out for the rest of his term with your lies about the border and the economy and Ukraine's "success" against Russia.
If Donnie was such a strategist why didn't he withdraw in 2017?
Donnie is like the shitty programmer who always knows about an easy fix but never actually improves a line of code.
Just like he can magically end the Russia-Ukraine war. Or Israel-Hamas. He is full of shit.
You know the answer to that, fuckface.
You continually lick her asshole in these comments like some deranged neocon, even though you claim to hate her dad.
If Donnie was such a strategist why didn’t he withdraw in 2017?
You mean like the actual troop pullouts he was already conducting during the ceasefire period his SecState had negotiated with the Taliban? A pullout that would have been completed earlier if Liz Cheney and Jason Crow hadn't blocked the funding that would have allowed it?
He tried to pull out of Syria but the DoD decided to lie about troops numbers to prevent it.
I see no reason to expect it to be different.
"If Donnie was such a strategist why didn’t he withdraw in 2017?"
I can't read his mind, but I suspect that Trump must have known that withdrawal of a losing army from Afghanistan would not be a pretty sight. It might result in scenes that would make his re-election less likely. Postponing till the second term would solve that problem.
16500 soldiers and civilians killed on the 90 mile road between Kabul and Jalalabad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1842_retreat_from_Kabul
"It was a bit of a sloppy pullout."
Shrike speak for an ally-betraying absolute disaster.
There's a good reason why the UK parliament censured a sitting US president for the first time in a couple of hundred years.
Parliament holds Joe Biden in contempt over Afghanistan
"MPs and peers unite to condemn ‘dishonour’ of US president’s withdrawal and his criticism of Afghan troops left behind to face Taliban"
Some would say FJB is disqualified for aiding and abetting the Taliban.
Nevertheless, state officials can not make that judgment call.
More importantly which president set the wothdraw only to have Joe extend the date and fuck it up.
It wasn't important enough to do it before the election?
See Red Rocks' reply above, dumbfuck.
I was about ready to give Eric a pass on a not terrible article when I saw that BOAF SIDEZ crap..
Good grief, Eric, if you want to credit Biden for something, at least find something he actually did. If you can't, don't trash your reputation even further by making shit up. Even Sullum has found roundabout ways to admit indirectly that Trump isn't 100% evil.
Hell, credit Biden with uniting the divided populace against him, that's got more truth than outright Newspeak lies.
Boehm: Despite the fact that Trump had already negotiated an orderly withdrawal and the deaths of hundreds, including Americans at the airport plus unknown numbers who fell off of planes and the murder of an aid worker and his family while abandoning Afghan translators and billions in weaponry to the Taliban, he got it done with no mean tweets. Not one. All hail the great peace bringer.
Everyone needs to remember that Boehm is the guy that said he was "strategically" voting for Biden.
I remember when Trump's "inept" leadership did not have us on the brink of WW III at multiple locations.
Glad the competent folks are back.
The fact that Vivek, RFK and Trump are taking libertarians seriously enough to speak to them on their home turf is a big deal in national politics that can only raise awareness of the party. All will fail the purity test as expected. None claim to be libertarian. But we're not seeing any Democrats or leftists even attempting to speak to libertarians. It's pretty clear that if there is any common ground it's not coming from them. Criticize all you want but take the win.
Libertarians still support economic liberty, and that’s a dealbreaker for Democrats. Though it is increasingly becoming a dealbreaker for authoritarian conservatives who nonsensically say proponents of the freedom to buy and sell stuff without government approval are leftists.
To his point, though, it's a positive thing that at least some of the other major political factions are at least paying enough attention to libertarians to want to spend any time engaging them.
We may disagree on some or many issues, but having these folks speak and hopefully also listen at a gathering of libertarians, should, in theory, bring at least some of their positions on issues closer to ours.
And that's a net positive.
I don’t see it that way.
Democrats won’t court libertarians because they consider lovers of liberty to be nazis. Republicans feel that they own libertarian votes and get really mad when libertarians vote for Libertarians.
So I see it as Republicans laying claim to something they already feel that they own.
If Republicans actually felt like they owned our votes, they wouldn’t bother even thinking about us.
"If you don't vote for me, you ain't Black"
-- Someone
You keep saying dumb bumper sticker shit like this without any thought or inspection. How does allowing China to thrive while acting against free markers support a free market dumbass?
If someone violates the NAP a response is allowed. You refuse to allow a response through sheer ignorance. No different than supporting theft because you get stolen goods cheaper while ignoring the costs born by others. Everything in your world ignores harms done to others for your policies, such as welfare based illegal immigration. Youre such an intellectual child.
Principles of JesseAzism:
1. We have to kill free markets to save free markets.
2. Free markets are weaker than non-free-markets, and need to protected against them.
3. Offering to sell stuff at a low price is aggression against JesseAz, so JesseAz* gets to retaliate - against the potential buyers here in the US, who are the only ones that can be arrested, taxed, or fined.
4. Taxation is good if it aligns with (1)-(3) above.
*Or more accurately, the police can retaliate on JesseAz’s behalf.
Yes
Quit samefagging your own sockpuppets, Jeffy.
Ok chumby jr
Level 2 chemist, you are bad at this.
But it is entertaining to watch.
Shocking. Another outed democrat sock sticking up for the dem cosplaywr.
Ok rmac
Ok you fat child raping raping Marxist faggot.
Hey. The leftist retard fuck cosplaying is back.
And apparently is too dumb to understand the written word.
Is it a free market to legalize theft? Is it a free market to allow stolen goods to be sold on the market?
And taxation? Where the fuck did you pull that shit out of?
What you’re asking to do us to allow China to steal and impose a cost on some so you can gain a benefit. Youre a fucking thief by proxy. You dont care if the NAP is violated along as you benefit.
Free markets do not include theft except middle schoolers screaming bumper sticker slogans.
You advocate and applaud theft from a 3rd party for your benefit. Let me guess, you applaud welfare as well?
If I pay someone 100 bucks to steal your 300 dollar tv because it is cheaper and I gain a benefit, is it the free market?
Look. I gave sarc the chance to educate himself and he refused.
So let me start slowly. Do you know anything about the conflict market games utilizing AI to simulate trade or the development of game theory added to economic market practices? My guess is no. But if you’re willing to stop being a retarded leftist shit advocating theft for your benefit, let me know and I’ll give you some reading material.
And some extra facts for you leftist shit.
The cost of corporate theft from China currently dwarfs tariffs on Chinese goods. These costs are passed onto consumers as IRAD and IP costs are divided by costs of goods sold.
Security costs utilized by industry to protect against this theft is also a cost passed on to consumers. The estimated yearly security costs also dwarf the tariff costs. Increasing consumer prices. Yet you don't give two shits about it.
Yet you are perfectly fine with these costs being passed onto customers because you read a bumper sticker in 8th grade that said tariffs were the worst shit ever. Despite the costs you tacitly support being many times greater.
Get the fuck outta here shill.
Shill? For whom? Not for Biden or Soros, that’s for sure.
Not like you.
Problem: Some people in China steal IP from some people in the US. Chinese police don’t do squat about it.
JesseAz Solution: Have the federal government seize money from individual Americans to enlarge and empower said government. If any Americans try to evade this solution, arrest and imprison them. Jesse will help by hopping around and denouncing them as leftists.
We get it, you've rationalized how stealing is not bad and should be accepted if you benefit.
Out tech companies should just lie back and enjoy it.
"Problem: Some people in China steal IP from some people in the US. Chinese police don’t do squat about it."
The Chinese government REQUIRES it to do business there.
Let's be a bit more honest here.
Trump is the first President in my lifetime to offer absolutely zero tariffs for any country that reciprocates.
OMG, you've got AI and it agrees with you! Guess I have to give up and be a nationalist.
Fuck off, Jeff.
"Jessazis". I like it.
What I find funny is the idea that an abortion is murder and is absolutely wrong but police killing an innocent person is a mistake that should be forgiven.
I honestly have never seen someone here justify shooting an innocent person or saying the cop should just be forgiven. (Ok, maybe Dunphy, but he hasn’t posted here in years.)
I suppose it depends on what you mean by innocent. I assume all people are innocent until judged guilty in a trial. Therefore everyone a cop murders before they have the benefit of a trial is innocent. That's a lot of dead bodies. If murder is absolutely illegal then why are those cops still walking around free?
I think requiring conviction by a jury is probably a little too loose a definition (especially since juries get things wrong all the time and in light of the current railroading going on in NY). But I can see where you’re coming from at least.
Right, that active shooter visibly executing people in front of a cop and shooting directly at the cop should be given the benefit of the doubt and not shot because he is presumed ‘innocent’.
Yeah, that is definitely the kind of soft headed soft thinking that comes from the morbidly obese pedophile and the drunken leftist pussy.
So which are you?
Libertarians typically support social liberty too (as long as it’s not harming someone else). Democrats only support a handful of social liberty items, most notably things that an honest libertarian could argue does harm (even if they think the government shouldn’t control it). The rest they only support if they can tax and regulate it.
"we’re not seeing any Democrats or leftists even attempting to speak to libertarians"
Polis ate at a food truck once.
Polis couches his authoritarian impulses by saying "I believe people should have more liberty" while he signs invasive gun laws, is anti-school choice, is raising taxes, wants sin taxes on vape products, and is mandating massive reductions on gas and oil-based energy production in the state. But he says he's pro-liberty and dunces like Boehm eat it up, while Republicans who are actually speaking to libertarians are called out for being anti-libertarian.
It's a hollow facade.
Well, you've gotta have balance. Otherwise people will associate libertarians with Republicans... the literal party of Hitler.
What's more important, appearances or principles?
The only thing Polis does for me is occasionally piss off the more progressive Democrats in my state. But that only delays more Californication.
Yeah, his most notable feature is not being a rubber-stamp for the Dem supermajority there, but it hardly matters since they typically end up getting their way a year or two later anyway.
The main areas of pushback in that state are in the redder districts who simply refuse to go along with the Front Range's stupidity. That's a big reason there was recently a call for parents to pull their kids out of the schools, since they're infested with marxists. I don't necessarily agree with that because they'd have a lot more impact by simply rejecting the "I'm not corrupt enough to get involved in government" Reaganite pose and actually be more persistent in their involvement in local elections and various community boards that deal with day-to-day city functions. Money's been flooding these smaller elections for a reason.
He does believe in freedom. The freedom only provided through the chains of socialism, comrade.
Gov Pritzker ate a food truck once.
Once? By the looks of that fucker, he hits a food truck on the way home from the buffet every night. Just to top off.
I’ll note here that they absolutely did not have to do this. The fact is that the LP is a niche party that probably won’t have an effect on the national elections, even in the relatively close swing states. RFK and Jill Stein are more of a threat to the Dems in those states the LP is a threat to the Rs. There might be some influence on the down-ballot elections, but not the big enchilada.
But it says something that they came out anyway to make their case. Even though I still think there’s no way in hell the “cabal” lets him back in office again, Trump in particular is doing a decent job of trying to appeal to as many potential voters as possible, and the better his numbers with various demographics are, the harder it’s going to be for the cabal to justify rigging the count. Especially with Biden being such an absolute disaster. They may just decide to take a powder in 2024, tank the economy, and wait for 2028 to put Newsom in charge.
No, Gaear, most libertarians are NOT swooning fans who can be distracted by the enemy paying attention to us. Trump speaking at the Libertarian National Convention is not like getting an invitation from Taylor Swift to a backstage party after the show. It may indicate that the Republicans are worried about razor thin margins in a few battleground states this fall, or it may just be that oversized egos like the spotlight. Trump may actually think that everyone who comes into his presence must automatically be captivated and become his supporter, but that's what narcissists always think. Even libertarians no longer take the LP seriously. The only thing that will help libertarians gain the power to reestablish Constitutional limits on central authority power, equal justice under the law and free market capitalism will be to replace the two-party election system with a proportional representation election system in every legislature and in Congress.
....which will not happen and is a silly hope to begin with.
Perhaps, but nothing else has worked or has any chance to work in the future. For now I've got mine and screw everyone else. If the crunch hits we'll see what happens afterwards. Until then the LP is a joke.
'All that it requires is for libertarians to decide to support a larger, more powerful federal government.'
He has come to the right website.
The alt-right website, I think you mean.
This article reminds me of how my nationalist friend tries to make me out as non-libertarian by the no-true-scotsman method, but backwards. He quotes any statements he wants from identifiable libertarians, and since I disagree with them, I must not be libertarian.
As long as you get to say who or what counts as nationalist, then you can similarly say they can't even so much as ally with libertarians. I don't think many nationalists go along with the positions Mr. Boehm brings up, and even if they do, they wouldn't identify them as necessary conditions of nationalism.
If libertarians do anything well, it's disagree with each other.
Which sort of makes sense as a movement rooted in individualism.
Very true.
Its the same thing they've been doing with populism.
Fair enough. You claim nationalism is being misrepresented.
Would you care to elucidate the correct, representative nationalist positions? Where can a would-be nationalist go to determine if they agree with accurate nationalist goals and policies?
Depends on the nation. In whichever nation it is, nationalism is a tendency against foreign influence in national or local affairs, and a prioritization of national over international interests when there's a trade-off between them. So, for instance, a desire to keep control of legal tender within that nation, rather than adopting something like the Euro. Libertarians are for allowing people to use whatever medium of exchange they want, so there's no conflict with nationalists there, their interests being orthogonal.
Another example would be language policy. Nationalists would want official documents to be in the national language, and for government schools to not discourage the use of the national language in favor of some new or foreign one. Again, these interests are orthogonal to those of libertarians, so no conflict there.
You'll see this pattern over and over, with nationalists and internationalists contending over government policies that are neither here nor there to libertarians. However, these days the internationalists are lined up overwhelmingly against libertarian interests, wanting international mandates to be adopted where none, national or international, had been in place, so nationalists are siding with libertarians.
International interest being largely malignant these days. Ot the lowest common denominator, at a minimum.
It is not true that libertarians refuse to seek or use power. The "no true libertarian" gambit fails on a different, more subtle point. It's true that no real libertarian would try to use government power to impose a particular goal on everyone. It's also true that real libertarians would not hesitate to accept and wield the official power to impose equal justice under the law, deregulate and repeal unconstitutional laws and foreign treaties, refocus the military on national defense, stabilize the currency and prevent encroachments on free trade and property rights.
Ramaswamy's comments becomes clear once you recall that he's now an official surrogate for former President Donald Trump, who is scheduled to address the LNC on Saturday night.
Fourth Reich Libertarians?
Will not catch on.
Ok there Neverland Ranch 2
*Dark-skinned Indian Hindu named Ramaswamy*
Grand Kleagle Shrike – “iT’s thE fouRtH rEicH”
Perhaps a typo where he is referring to the fourth Schreich. Maybe he will post more links to cp where a brace of his accounts will get banned like had be done to the original.
SPB1<- banned due to cpSPB2 <- soon to be banned?
SPB3 <- still a clump of cells but genetics likely result in a ban
SPB4 <- the Fourth Schreich
Aren't we past that if you include sock accounts?
You make a good observation. Given the penchant of the Act Blue crowd to exclude proxy wars as wars, I am giving the pedo the benefit of the doubt and only considering officially branded Pluggo accounts.
Speaking of larger government, will Reason report on kickbacks cash transfers to the Kenyan military, among other African countries, to occupy Haiti (in an election year)?
“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
— Charles de Gaulle
"Let's let the French define English words"
- No One Ever
Judging from the boiling hatred for foreigners and goods made by foreigners, from self proclaimed nationalists, I think he nailed it.
This is why you're such a piece of shit liar.
You absolutely know that your own position is flimsy and falls apart from the slightest challenge, so you try and do a smear job on everyone else, deliberately conflating illegal and legal immigration and then declaring the motivation of anyone who opposes illegal is racism and xenophobia, rather than the absolute fucking disaster that everyone with eyeballs can see.
My mother is an immigrant from France, my sister-in-law from the Dominican, and my brother and sister are immigrants to the US. Trump's wife is an immigrant to the US. And I know a lot of others here have legal immigrant family.
But that doesn't matter to you, because you're a drunken demagogue who can only defend his stance with conflation and smears.
deliberately conflating illegal and legal immigration
I see you and the other anti-immigrant zealots deliberately conflating people who have not harmed the life, liberty or property of others with criminals.
Know why the J6 yahoos were called “insurrectionists”? It was because that triggered laws that were meant for people who would violently overthrow the government.
Know why economic refugees are called “invaders”? Same reason.
So you’re just as dishonest as the leftists you hate.
And I know a lot of others here have legal immigrant family.
You know who defends unjust laws out of fairness, because it’s not fair that they had to abide by unjust laws and that means others must do so as well? Leftists. That’s who.
“I see you and the other anti-immigrant zealots deliberately conflating people who have not harmed the life, liberty or property of others with criminals.”
You scream and pule and moan constantly about people impugning your motives, and swear you never do it, yet look at you go.
<a href="You know who defends unjust laws out of fairness"
Those laws aren't unjust, clowntits.
What's unjust is shipping millions of illegals into the country, giving them free money, accommodation and healthcare at legal residents expense. Overwhelming public and healthcare infrastructure, and beggaring residents by competing tax and regulation free.
THAT'S fucking injustice.
Fucking hypocrite.
If you honestly believe that people who entered the country illegally, but have never harmed the life, liberty or property of others, to be criminals, then you’re no better than drug warriors and others who consider anyone who breaks any arbitrary law to be a criminal.
If you hate illegal immigrants, but condemn the drug war, then you’ve got some serious cognitive dissonance going on.
By the way I've repeatedly said to you that Biden fucked up when stopped requiring that asylum seekers wait for their court date in the last sanctuary country they were in.
And I know you will claim I've never said that before. Like you do every time.
And you call me a piece of shit liar. Funny.
"but have never harmed the life, liberty or property of others, to be criminals,"
Look at this weasely little assertion snuck in and stated like it's fact.
How do you know this Sarcasmic? Are they checking IDs at the border? Doing background checks? Asking for declarations?
Ooops, that's what the legal immigration processes does. Never mind.
The fact is you don't know this and are making it up. Dishonest retarded fuck.
How do you know this Sarcasmic?
Crime rates and incentives. Crime rates among immigrants, including illegal immigrants, are lower than that of natives. That and they have an incentive to keep their nose clean because they risk deportation if they get caught for any crime.
I’ve said over and over that I think we need high fences and wide gates. I think we should let in anyone who want to work, let them work, and not make them wait ten years to do it. That’s not open borders. That’s controlled borders with more freedom.
Yet you always argue against the open borders strawman.
Again. Your making that up. There's nothing to prove those assertions.
Even when Boehm tried to pull that shit earlier he ended up having to admit it was based on a near decade old Cato study, that mostly looked at legal immigrants.
Even when Boehm tried to pull that shit earlier he ended up having to admit it was based on a near decade old Cato study, that mostly looked at legal immigrants.
That’s still a lot more honest than you guys pointing to horrible crimes and claiming every illegal is like that.
Oh, and keep ignoring what I said about high fences and wide gates. You wouldn’t want to respond to what I actually say. Must respond to open borders strawmen. Because it would kill you to be honest.
This interaction is giving me a headache. I hope you have a shitty weekend. Toodles!
This is a lie that you’ve shown to be a lie dozens of times. Go look at the populations in jail like the Lott study.
Cite your assertions sarc. I can cite mine of you intentionally ignoring links you've been given.
"I hope you have a shitty weekend. Toodles!"
Caught telling lies, he runs away again.
Well ML, I HAVE spent the last year calling him a gutless pussy and a coward. And he’s been running away from me all that time.
If you hate illegal immigrants, but condemn the drug war, then you’ve got some serious cognitive dissonance going on."
And here's another weasely little assertion snuck in and stated like it’s fact, and totally not a retarded correlation fallacy.
It's called having a principled stance. Something you wouldn't understand being that you judge everything by who, not what.
Telling lies and making shit up isn’t “principled” anything, retard.
A principled stance would be formulating an intelligent argument instead of impunity others motivations who back up their stances with facts such as the costs stolen from taxpayers to support your "principles."
Your only principle is never reading a book or having an in depth thought.
Welfare is a taking of property retard.
MLK and the civil rights protestors were criminals too. It didn’t make them wrong.
Speaking of lying and conflating, looks like you're equating asylum seekers who are here legally (thanks to Biden) with illegal immigrants. And you're conflating people who come here for economic opportunity with people who come for handouts.
That's a whole lot of lying and conflating.
"Speaking of lying and conflating, looks like you’re equating asylum seekers who are here legally"
Speaking of lying I did nothing of the sort. Show everyone where I did that, you dishonest souse.
You lump them all together as illegal, dood.
No. YOU lump (conflate) them all together in order to excuse illegal immigration. You’ve done that almost a dozen times today in this very thread.
How drunk are you?
Joe violated asylum laws with his program retard.
The leftist groups you are now part of actually teach illegals through NGOs how to falsely claim asylum relying on the slowness and backlog of the courts.
The current asylum rejection rates once at court is over 90%
You know all this but you willfully ignore it because youre a leftist activist at this point.
They’re not here legally you drunken liar. Biden has repeatedly overstepped his authority to act in lawlessly in this, and many other areas.
But you don’t care, because you’re a treasonous anti American leftist shitweasel.
Is theft a violation of the NAP sarcM. Yes or no? No matter how many times you are told the issue you retreat to this pablum because of the weakness of your own arguments.
Sarc, this is a dumb argument.
You don’t have to agree with our immigration laws, but that doesn’t change the fact that breaking them means they are, by definition, criminals.
You've got all the usual leftist statements down because you can't argue from an intelligent position.
Is the sum of your argument quotes found online?
Please, justify this quote with the 400B spent on Ukraine.
“Patrie” is from the Latin root for father … as in fatherland. I consider myself to be a patriot because I love my country (and fear and loathe my government) but I do not love the United States to the exclusion of other more important principles. There have been those who have espoused “my country right or wrong” but I swore an oath to support and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States of American, not the government, per se, or the governors who happen to be in power at the moment. I swore that oath to oppose ALL enemies of the Constitution, both foreign AND domestic, and I meant it then and still mean it. It does not bother me at all that the current crop of enemies of the Constitution includes Donald Trump, Joseph Biden, Mike Johnson, John Roberts, Merrick Garland and Chuck Schumer.
At least Eric is finally admitting he is a globalist which will never be a libertarian state. Any centrally controlled one size fits all amalgamation will end up authoritarian. Choice requires a splitting of power. See the destruction as powers went from state based to federal based.
But the goal here of this magazine now seems to be support of a globalist power under the guise of libertarianism.
Power for away from people will never be libertarian.
You cannot get away with blithely floating a vague concept such as globalism and then rejecting it on behalf of all true libertarians without defining it. Globalism usually implies “free trade” and free trade in that context usually means “without imposing artificial barriers (for the purpose of punishing foreign producers or protecting domestic ones or raising revenues)” and it does NOT imply abandoning official power to foreign governments or international organizations. It also does not imply official trade agreements or treaties. Libertarians almost all believe that traders should not be limited in their pursuit of profit at their own risk; that consumers should not be limited in their pursuit of goods and services at whatever prices, features and quality they prefer; and that the market, when allowed to operate with the least possible amount of official interference, will settle on some imaginary optimum to the benefit of the largest number and widest range of interests regardless of whether other nations fail to reciprocate by freeing their own markets.
It the Koch way. This get people like Koch cheap imported labor and maximizes the power the gain from their seat at the table.
Ask Justin Amash how receptive the MAGA zealots were to Libertarian ideas.
But he resigned from the Republican Party in 2019 even before the massive boondoggles the party supported in 2020.
#VoteGridlock
Justin Amash got 'Liz Cheney'ed' for cause.
Then his successor, Peter Meier, got primaried by the Democrats he was helping for his efforts.
Good riddance to both.
"Justin Amash how receptive the MAGA zealots were to Libertarian ideas."
Capital "L" ideas, lol.
If Amash had stuck to actual libertarian ideals, instead of lying about the Mueller report in an effort to get positive corporate media coverage for a failed presidential moon shot, he might still have a job.
No no. Libertarians support use of the state for political attacks. Like amash.
Thomas Massie spouts libertarian ideas everyday in the House and somehow the MAGA boogeymen shrike is so concerned about haven’t turned on him. (AIPAC has, but god forbid you not want to send money to the sinkhole that is the Middle East.)
Massie's a pretty rare politician in that he's a Republican who happens to be a doctrinaire non-interventionist.
What's in the water in Kentucky to give us such good (sane) libertarian politicians?
Self sufficiency. Inherited wealth combined with a growing welfare class makes for bad policies.
And if he had also presented Trump with some real libertarian plans instead of constantly attacking him he might have got something positive done. Instead of just being a demagogic asshole.
He got what he deserved.
It seems like Eric and Reason as a whole have their own false interpretation of what the right proposes and means by nationalism regardless of how many times it is explained directly to their faces.
Vivek has a few ideas I really dislike, but overall his proposals move in the direction of liberty and driving culture back to one of personal responsibility.
This is just more of the same shit from Reason hating right-libertarianism like that of Mises. They're libertines with far more in common with progressives trying to pretend guys like Vivek are less principled
He isnt nearly as dreamy as Amash or Polis.
Can we agree on this paragraph:
There is a more than a century of documented history of stuff done in the name of socialism. When, in 2024, a person makes the decision to call themselves a “socialist”, it’s 100% fair to tie them to that history. Maybe they disagree somewhat with the atrocities, but just not quite enough to pick a different name.
And similarly, it’s perfectly reasonable to point out the fact that people who intentionally call themselves “Nationalists” have decided they like sporting the name more than they dislike what nationalists have done. Which in my opinion isn’t nearly enough dislike. If it’s really dislike at all.
Let me guess. Youve fully adopted and accepted the leftist redefinition of nationalist, populist, the southern strategy, kkk switching to conservatives, fascists being right wing or any other bullshit leftist narrative that has made it into the main stream lexicon.
Youre a character in an Orwell novel.
My definition of nationalism?
It’s whatever self-proclaimed nationalists have done. It’s not some pure entity that exists independent of the people who claim it.
It’s whatever you (most likely falsely) claim nationalists have done. Or people, you (very possibly falsely) claim are nationalists.
Except leftist twats look at the National Socialists of Germany and only see nationalist you Globalist twat.
Why is caring about your country over random foreigners bad? Why is wanting the best for your country bad? Why is wanting your country to be the best bad?
And how you plan to achieve that is totally irrelevant!
Of course not. Who is claiming that?
Caring about your country in and of itself is not bad. Caring about random foreigners is not mutually exclusive of caring about your country. What you DO using the excuse of caring about your country may turn out to be very bad. We do not accept any assertion that YOU know what's best for our country and that we don't have the best interests of our country at heart. We reject the notion that YOU will be the one to impose your vision on the rest because your supporters goose-step very impressively. We reject the premise that only National socialists can end the tyranny imposed on the nation by the Marxist socialists or that your final solution will be better than theirs.
Is this country even close to the position you’re describing?
Reason never picked up the story on eminent domain in Iowa on climate mandated pipelines on farmlands. Ramaswammy is the only candidate talking about that (seems libertarian leaning to me).
Yeah, the republicans shouldn’t ban lab meat as protectionism, but in case you haven’t noticed, California and these democrat fuckers could possibly “MANDATE” lab meat.
Covid is a cautionary tale, a test run, a warm up for climate mandates, bans and rationing and everyone knows it.
Gather locusts (cicadas) while you can. But don't get caught hoarding.
failed GOP presidential candidate
You might be calling that too soon.
Well Biden was also a failed presidential candidate. Now he's a failed president. Didn't keep Reason from supporting him.
Once Reason moved to DC, they were quickly "absorbed by the entity", that is, they now live and move in a hardcore Democrat region. They decided to establish themselves with the Washington "in crowd" but all they accomplished was to drive away actual libertarians.
I'm sure that they told themselves that they would never succumb to the ideological poison gas of Washington, but they did. When you live in a shithole, you end up smelling like shit.
But you think you smell good.
I guess that Old Spice isn't as effective as I thought.
Ass Body Spray and Aqua Vulva are always options too.
Where did all the "driven away" libertarians go? You're here, so...
I don't know. The Mises Caucus can't differentiate between sane and insane, not that the previous Libertarian Party bigwigs were masterful evaluators of sanity. Ayn Rand's followers remained just that, followers incapable of original thought. Those who broke away vary in quality but some, like philosopher Stephen Hicks, have done good work.
The last bastion of rational libertarian thought are people like Randy Barnett whose researches into the meanings of the American founding documents changed constitutional thought.
Progressives, in particular the "Critical Studies" groups, began their assault on individual rights at law schools, then on to colleges, the media and finally elementary schools. Maybe Barnett's ideas will permeate legal thinking. It's up to writers and artists to claim the media and parents to end "woke" schooling.
I'm an old man and doubt that I will live to see any of these things, but that doesn't mean I'm indifferent to what's happening.
I left out Alex Epstein who has waged a one man war against the de-energizing of America. He has defended fossil fuels better than any other advocate for energy sanity.;
We should be ramping up production of all forms of energy. Including clean, natural petroleum.
I think that you can divide libertarians into a couple of camps.
There are the idealists who are 'pure' libertarians, strict individualists, who will die on whichever hill that their principles occupy.
Then there's the second group, which I will call 'practical' libertarians, who realize that some form of governance will always exist, and in some ways is necessary, so rather than pushing for a pure libertarian state, they opt to look at a new law or policy through a 'libertarian lens' - which of these choices produces the most liberty or freedom for the greatest number of people?
I would like to consider myself a part of that second group. But, I don't think many of us are 'Big 'L' Libertarians' who go to conventions.
I find it difficult to distinguish your "pure" libertarians from anarchists. I guess I'm in the "practical" camp; I consider myself an American, and libertarian, hence a constitutional libertarian. I expect that the Constitution is meant to define a minimal, limited, federal government (despite the leviathan it has become). While accepting the notion that there is some government necessary, I prefer that it be limited in a documented and supposedly accepted fashion.
Gaear, I don't think you should pretend that not criticizing the lesser of two evils quite as harshly equates to "supporting" him.
aggressive deportations
Securing our borders is the primary and most legitimate duty of our national government. There is nothing authoritarian about it.
My favorite thing to watch is so-called libertarians literally say they don’t care of America gets diluted with Islamic theocracy because they believe that libertarianism exist without America or Western values.
I suspect these libertarians haven’t done a lot of world traveling.
Yes, Islam runs contrary to Western liberal tradition.
The brilliant Sam Harris got it right - "Islam is the mother-lode of bad ideas".
#SamHarrisforPresident
Ever since Sam said it's cool to lie if it hurts Trump, Buttplug has had the hardest boner.
He does? Why? Was he looking at a pre pubescent little boy bending over in tight shorts.
Don't you mean "noted hack Sam Harris"?
Islam is only "a mother-lode of bad ideas". The Frankfurt School has its own mine of malevolence, salted with everything from Rousseau to Marcuse.
Islam is a religion of peace. And Brutus is an honorable man.
No world travelers necessary. One trip to North Philly will do it.
On the other hand MY favorite thing to watch, Rick, is those who try to pretend that allowing Muslims into the country (or brown-skinned neighbors from the south; or dark-brown-skinned people from Africa) will dilute American or Western values. I defy you to even define American values or Western values, let alone prove that two hundred years of immigration to America ever has diluted them. I don’t care whether the ancestors of our current social democrats came over on the Mayflower or went back ten thousand years crossing the Siberian-Alaska land bridge – socialism is a bad economic system and authoritarianism is a bad governmental system. The solution is not isolationism and nationalism but liberty and Constitutionally-limited government.
So, you're oblivious to history. Thank you for sharing that.
You're welcome! And thank you for NOT sharing your xenophobic misreading of that same history.
I agree. Most research shows that after two generations, the descendants of immigrants have basically the same values as their peers with longer American lineages.
Hopefully, rational American values (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) will prevail as they have for the most part in the past.
Can you show me a single example where Islam grew and this happened? Certainly not in England. Certainly not in Ireland, Scotland, etc.
In the countries that you mention (England, Ireland etc) there are ethnic identities based on long histories of violent group wars. It's much harder to become Irish than to become American. The US has intermarriage of immigrants and natives, something much more rare in European countries. European identities are blood lines. To be an American you only have to accept principles of liberty and free association. Your parents could come from anywhere, England, Argentina, Japan or even Canada (as hard as that is to believe)
At the turn of the 20th Century, Irish immigrants were all thugs, the Italians were all mobsters and the Jews were all mentally deficient. We won't even mention the depravity of the Greeks whose men danced with each other.
Back then, the progressives wanted ethnic cleansing in the form of eugenics as the only thing that could save America from ruin.
Today, the ethnicities have changed, but ethnic cleansing has not. Now it's white people in the crosshairs or rather whiteness itself. "Whiteness" being a typical progressive alias for "Western Civilization".
The mass importation of immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe around the turn of the century left us with a legacy of socialism and government corruption from which we still suffer. If that torrent of un-American beliefs and behaviors had not been staunched, things undoubtedly would have gotten much worse. The Immigration Act of 1924 saved Americanism from probable extinction.
I wonder if there's a difference between taking in 2 million a month or 2 million a year?
It HAS been diluted. How on God’s green earth do you not see that?
As I said—oblivious to history.
I've observed that worldwide, really shithole countries have some things in common: communism, authoritarianism/dictatorship, Islamic theocracy. The very worst places have all 3.
Don't forget tribalism.
How well is the globalist libertarian approach working? It seems to me like nations around the world are doing the exact opposite. How about we focus on implementing libertarian policies locally first for our own native population rather than appealing to the one world global authoritarian types? Nationalism is more about retaining a cohesive population that works towards its own ends rather than wasting resources on those who hate us and our ideals. Let those nationalist principles be based on liberty.
The point of the article is that nationalism runs contrary to liberty. Liberty is based upon individualism while nationalism is based upon authoritarianism.
Individualism means individuals perusing their own ends.
Nationalism has no place for that because it means uniting under the government.
So nationalist principles based upon liberty is an oxymoron.
Like you, Boehm is deliberately conflating ethnic nationalism with civic nationalism.
Here's what you and Boehm are railing against.
"Civic nationalism, otherwise known as democratic nationalism, is a form of nationalism that adheres to traditional liberal values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights, and is not based on ethnocentrism.[1][2]
Civic nationalists often defend the value of national identity by saying that individuals need it as a partial shared aspect of their identity (an upper identity) in order to lead meaningful, autonomous lives[3] and that democratic polities need a national identity to function properly.[4]"
Civic nationalism can be totally libertarian.
You guys are dishonest and disgusting.
Nationalism is top down. Individualism is bottom up.
You’re an authoritarian. Admit it. It’s ok.
How does that intersect with shooting and killing an unarmed protester in a public building of the people, by the people, for the people?
To be fair that was Jeff. Sarc just mocks the dead. But sarc openly supported 20 year sentences for J6. Even non violent protestors.
And don't you dare question violent leftist rioters trying to burn people alive, they're the good guys to him. Leftist scum, thy name is Sarcasmic.
Let me guess. You didn’t read his post again.
This is as retarded as when you parotted the lefts attacks on populism or tried to define fascism as being of the right.
You really should read a book some day.
How many bumper stickers would it take to be the equivalent of a book?
Turning the pages is a bitch. Sticker than SPB’s old National Geographic’s.
Tell me you didn't read my post without actually saying you didn't read my post.
"Nationalism is top down. Individualism is bottom up.
You’re an authoritarian. Admit it. It’s ok."
Fucking drunken retard.
“Civic nationalism, otherwise known as democratic nationalism, is a form of nationalism that adheres to traditional liberal values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights, and is not based on ethnocentrism.[1][2]
Civic nationalists often defend the value of national identity by saying that individuals need it as a partial shared aspect of their identity (an upper identity) in order to lead meaningful, autonomous lives[3] and that democratic polities need a national identity to function properly.[4]””
That all sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Stating a lie over and over again doesn’t make it a lie. Nationalism is not defined as top to bottom.
MasterThief - if you think the current approach is "globalist libertarian" then I have a bridge to sell you - CHEAP - in Brooklyn! Or perhaps you're just raising a straw man so you can knock it down easily? Free trade does not imply "one world global authoritarian" in any way. Free trade does not depend on the trade policies of other nations. I could not care less whether American producers meet with trade barriers as long as foreign producers do not meet with trade barriers here in America. I do not support "treaties" or "international trade organizations" to make trade "fair" for our producers.
We can support free trade between countries without automatically accepting the people said countries emptied out of their prisons. As you inferred, these are two different concepts.
Ann Coulter, queen conservative harpy, says that Vivek doesn’t matter because he’s not white.
Poor Ann is single-threaded on sealing the border and she hates Donnie - the False Prophet of Border Security.
She hates Donnie? Well dang. Guess she’s a leftist now.
You're all over the place today, huh?
Three day weekend. The lad may already be into the sauce.
And you say he matters because he's not white.
No, dipshit. That’s what you made up.
Coulter is an assclown, and yes, she is the definition of racist. At least she’s not a paid economic advisor at the highest levels of federal government.
I introduce Jared Bernstein:
https://mishtalk.com/economics/watch-bidens-head-of-economic-advisors-try-to-explain-government-borrowing/
“They sell bonds right” “Wait, is that what they do?”
I've had people get angry and call me a liar when I've tried to explain to them where money comes from.
Wait till you ask them where electricity comes from.
Does the phrase "Pulled out of the government's ass" really offend them a lot?
You should blow their mind and tell them that "money" and "value" are not synonyms.
The only way to expand liberty in the current world is to defend a state's sovereignty against forces that would undermine it. The ideal libertarian state has to have some power, or else it will be unable to protect the liberties of its citizens from forces who have zero interest in recognizing or respecting those liberties.
If that counts as "nationalism," well so be it. The "there is no government, virtually no laws and everyone else leaves alone" version of libertarianism is not available on the menu.
D.C. think tanks, experts and cocktail parties require a study and analysis from Noam Chomsky, on the word “Nationalism”.
shadydave – False! Although it may be true that some government authority is necessary to enforce the rights of each individual – a “necessary” condition – government authority is not a “sufficient” condition to expand liberty either at home or “in the current world.” Although I agree the expansion of liberty is greatly to be desired, the recent severe contraction of liberty in the world – and here in the US – occurred in the context of growing government authority. Currently we have far less to fear from the “undermining” of our state’s sovereignty than we have to fear from the nationalist goal of reinforcing it for the purpose of enforcing laws and policies that only pretend to preserve liberty. So, nationalism “so be it?” REJECTED!
What did this scumbag, Ramaswamy, offer to libertarians? End immunity for police, prosecutors and judges from civil suits? No. How about nationwide right to carry concealed weapons? No. Maybe making the default for drilling permits be approval, with the requirement that the EPA has only 30 days to make a case to revoke approval to an outside civil court? No.
Ramaphony offers nothing except the chance to join in the destruction of the Bidenocracy. A noble goal to be sure, but not if you intend to replace it with a slightly less destructive Trumpocracy. Vivek is not a tech genius, he's a narcissistic salesman who should be on a used car lot, not in a political office.
So you've never read his actual policies.
Yeah, I have. But he's "evolved" and no longer mentions his old beliefs.
From the moment he entered the race, he proclaimed himself to be a younger Trump. He never questioned tariffs or the feasibility of mass deportations. He opposed gun control, but never said what he would do to protect the right to carry. Eliminating qualified immunity is now off the table. Social security will go bankrupt and Ramaswamy knows this but dares not say what needs to be done.
He's just a salesman who isn't too fussy about what he sells.
“Social Security will go bankrupt, dares not say what needs to be done”
Letting it go into Bankruptcy is the plan, why do you think something needs to be done?
Is lying about the plan part of the plan?
End Social Security for people under 50 and means test the present recipients. Allow younger people to put tax free money into retirement accounts. This will stave off immediate bankruptcy but isn't a complete solution.
In the long run, all tax deductions must be eliminated and the overall rates reduced. The corporate tax must be eliminated entirely and all individual income, whether from salary, profits, dividends or capital gains, must be taxed at the same rate.
This will have more of a de-regulatory effect than any proposals to reform the bureaucracies and in turn, individual incomes will increase thereby reducing any need for government "charity".
Agreed. Although I’d have to think about long term capital gains. Why would I continue to grow my business and take on risk and debt? Know some locals that have small medium businesses and, basically, work steady or part time for a paycheck or lifestyle (ever call a plumber that doesn’t answer the phone). They’ll never sell (no buyers) because they’re in a state of de growth as they age. If you have to pay capital gains on a loan payout contract to the buyer of your business (the feds give you a carve out), youd probably have had a lifestyle and income business, less risk, less work, and rely on savings or gamed the subsidy schemes and vote for Democrats. The trade off could be more boom and bust cycles of snails pace growth. Not sure.
Good question. There's very little economic data to figure out what would happen. Hopefully, the answer will emerge spontaneously as the programs are implemented. Sometimes, you gotta take a chance.
Old Engineer - Agreed, except for the part about “slightly less destructive.” Trump was – and will be again – just as destructive as Biden but in different ways and in different directions.
I disagree, but I admit that the evidence is ambiguous. Trends today are so completely irrational that the response of either Trump or Biden to these trends is impossible to predict.
I haven’t built a bunker yet, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think that I’ll need one regardless of who gets elected. (“Bunker” is figurative, at least I hope it is.)
I am not a "bunker" survivalist in any way, shape or form. I swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic. I will risk my life whenever necessary (and perhaps die fighting to defend it) as long as I live. If America goes down, I would prefer to go down with it.
I hope it doesn't come down to that, but if it does, I'll probably find myself standing next to someone like you.
I'm asked ChatGPT to write a poem extolling the virtues of the Left-Libertarian alliance. The results were amazing:
In a world where ideologies collide,
Where the spectrum of thought is wide,
There blooms a unique alliance bright,
Where left and libertarian unite.
In the corridors of freedom's song,
They dance together, righting wrongs.
With socialism's heart and liberty's wings,
They soar above divisive things.
For the left brings care for all,
While libertarian voices call
For autonomy and individual might,
In the pursuit of what is right.
They see a world where power's shared,
Where dignity and justice are declared.
Equality and freedom walk hand in hand,
In this alliance, where principles stand.
In the garden of ideas, they sow seeds,
Of cooperation, where each one leads.
In the tapestry of diversity, they find,
Strength in differences, minds combined.
So let us raise a hopeful cheer,
For this alliance, strong and clear.
In their unity, we find a way,
To build a better world each day.
There once was a pedo named Brandon,
Gave speeches with no understandin’,
The dementia has hit,
In his pants he makes shit,
Inflation to folks he’s been handin’.
Now, can ChatGPT write a melody and then sing it in Taylor Swift's voice? If it can, then the world is closer to the end than I thought.
Why do I read this as a lyric by System Of a Down?
There will never be, and cannot ever be, a left-libertarian alliance, any more than there can ever be a right-libertarian alliance. It is possible, if libertarians and the Libertarian Party ever shift all of our resources into replacing the two-party election system with a proportional representation system in every legislature and in Congress, for a Libertarian Caucus to form temporary alliances with either the left party or the right party to pass individual pieces of legislation and appropriations bills that promote liberty or repeal authoritarian laws and regulations. NEVER for the purpose of electing a particular President, which has never worked and never will work. Impressive poetry, though!
The OP wrote: "Nationalism, at its root, is a fundamentally collectivist idea that prioritizes the needs of the state over the choices of individuals."
Were Washington and Madison fascists? Who Knew? They certainly were nationalists, as were the rest of the Framers.
Does the OP believe that the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence promote fundamentally collectivists ideas that prioritize the needs of the state over choices of individuals?
Somebody did. Hence, the Bill of Rights.
That someone was George Mason. And, given that the father of the Constitution, James Madison, advocated for constitutional principles of separation of powers, checks and balances, bicameralism, and federalism, which would limit government and protect individual liberties,¹ nationalism, at least in this country, would in fact be a defense of individualism, would it not?
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Nationalism has two distinct meanings. One is based on love of country, the other is based on love of government. For progressives, country and government are one and the same. Saying "I want America to prosper" is not the same as "I want government to bring prosperity to America" but progressives cannot differentiate these two radically different meanings.
President Joe Biden, despite all his deficit-spending and tariff-hiking and loan-forgiving, did end the war in Afghanistan.
What a fucking clown. So this is Joe Biden's big pro-libertarian achievement? And it's 100% his and no part of this credit goes to Trump?
Biden was cheerleading the invasion as a senator, voted for it, help co-manage it for eight years with Obama, was given the exit agreement but tossed that out by extending the occupation which resulted in even more tragedy. But Boehm gives Biden a congratulatory hummer.
Some Reason staff may again vote for Biden but not reluctantly.
If you're going to list ONE SINGLE example from the past four years, it's comical that your highlight was so poorly handled it was an international embarrassment. It was, in fact, so embarrassing that the Pentagon needed to defend their manhood by ordering a retaliatory drone strike on an aid worker and his family.
It was among the greatest international debacles since the Bush presidency. For Boehm, that's his DEFENSE of Biden.
And the Bush invasions had (D) cheerleaders including Biden and Hillary. Yes, Bush and Cheney own the lion’s share but Biden was an active part of it. And then for 8 years Biden was the #2 guy for that mess.
The UK parliament voted to hold Biden in contempt over the exit. Macron and Merkel both gave Biden ratings of no confidence. Biden abandoned US citizens there. The gifting of tens of billions of material to who knows what.
Then the temerity a couple days later in an interview asking what that was being brought up because it happened four or five days earlier.
Let’s not forget that the original withdrawal deadline was supposed to be in April, which is when the fighting season starts.
Center-right NeverTrumper morons like Patrick Frey and his idiot commenters were saying we needed to stay because there hadn’t been any American combat deaths in the year prior to the withdrawal. What they left out, because it made Trump look good, was that the Taliban were deliberately holding off on any attacks against Americans specifically because they’d agreed to do so before the April 1st deadline.
When Biden got in office, his administration dragged their feet, then decided they wanted this big 9/11 anniversary event–breaking the agreement that Trump’s team had put in place. The Taliban warned them that they were expecting them to follow what was agreed to, but after April 1st all bets were off. Sure enough, the US broke the agreement, the Taliban went ham, and the actual withdrawal turned into a clusterfuck rather than the orderly operation it should have been.
And for the center-right commenters who I KNOW are reading these pages–any claims that we should have stayed in Afghanistan are absolute garbage, further evidence that your kind should have been kicked out of the GOP long before Trump came along.
"Sure enough, the US broke the agreement, the Taliban went ham, and the actual withdrawal turned into a clusterfuck rather than the orderly operation it should have been."
I'm not sure what you are referring to. Was there significant hostilities between the US and Taliban after April? What do you have in mind? The withdrawal agreement was between the US and the Taliban. The Afghan government and ISIS were not party to it.
The most significant disaster was the attack at the airport. Taliban did not perpetrate the attack. Indeed, Taliban militants stood shoulder to shoulder with US troops at the airport providing security. These Taliban suffered casualties from the bombing along with civilians and US troops. The attack is attributed to ISIS which doesn't operate according to your 'fighting season.' They are a terrorist outfit and can strike at any time that suits them.
The reason why it was a clusterfuck was because the US lost. That's part of the cost of losing a war. Had the US won, a withdrawal wouldn't have been necessary.
It wasn't Biden deciding to shut down the SECURED MILITARY AIRPORT first? You know, before he told anybody in Afghanistan what his plan was and was an idea so asinine nobody would have thought it'd even be in consideration.
I'm not sure what you are referring to. I was commenting on Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan and how the US and Taliban had been coordinating. That had been the case since the talks in Qatar initiated by Obama.
You're unaware that, in abandoning Afghanistan, Biden had us evacuate Bagram AFB first and did not inform the Afghan government of the plan?
Not sure what use your views on this are.
The Afghan government was not a party to the agreement to withdraw. Neither were ISIS. The agreement, ironed out in Qatar, initially under Obama, with Trump later taking up the reins, was between the US and Taliban. I doubt the Afghan government's sovereignty extended as far as the airport despite its proximity to Kabul. I think you are overestimating the importance and relevance of the government, which consisted of drug dealing war lords with no appetite to fight the insurgents.
"Not sure what use your views on this are."
I very much doubt the US informing the Afghan government or not would have changed a thing. I try to be truthful and present the salient facts. If that's not enough for you, well I just don't know.
I’m not sure what you are referring to.
Yes, I know you're not as smart or informed as you pretend to be.
I'm not a mind reader, and I don't pretend to be. If you can't be bothered to express your thoughts clearly, that's on you.
I’m not a mind reader, and I don’t pretend to be. If you can’t be bothered to express your thoughts clearly, that’s on you.
If you can't be bothered to recall what went on at the time, that's on you.
I’m still not sure what you were referring to. The Taliban had always been trying to establish control over Afghanistan. It didn’t start on April 1st 2021. Please clarify if you have the chance.
I’m still not sure what you were referring to.
What a shock.
Was there significant hostilities between the US and Taliban after April? What do you have in mind? The withdrawal agreement was between the US and the Taliban. The Afghan government and ISIS were not party to it.
I didn't say the Taliban attacked US forces. I said they went ham, meaning they started taking back control of the country from the Afghan government through military conquest after the April 1st deadline passed. And for the most part, it happened because Ghani was seen as a puppet with no authority outside what support he had from the US. Most of the Afghan army simply dropped their weapons and took off.
The most significant disaster was the attack at the airport. Taliban did not perpetrate the attack.
I didn't say they did. I said the Biden administration fucked it up. And they fucked it up because the Taliban's rapid takeover of the country forced them to abandon their big 9/11 anniversary photo op and withdraw in August ahead of their revised withdrawal schedule, after the administration dragged their feet on the April 1st date to avoid giving Trump a "win" on something his team actually negotiated.
The reason why it was a clusterfuck was because the US lost.
The reason why it was a clusterfuck is because the Biden administration fucked with the original pullout deadline, had control of events taken out of their hands by the Taliban's blitzkrieg through the country, and then got stun-locked in the chaotic final days because they aren't mentally agile enough to adapt to the rapid changes in events. The withdrawals under Trump were actually being conducted in an orderly fashion without any of the chaos that the Biden administration oversaw.
What likely happened is that MIC representatives convinced Biden to delay the withdrawal in the hopes that they could prevent it from happening at all, and then failed to prevent it because Biden had fully made up his mind to do so regardless. That's why the left were largely ambiguous about the withdrawal (their main concern was simply not giving Trump a win there), but embarrassed at how shitty it was conducted, while the neocons were pissed about him actually finishing it off.
Went ham?
Misprint for West Ham? As in West Ham United?
"meaning they started taking back control of the country from the Afghan government through military conquest after the April 1st deadline passed."
They started taking back control of the country years before the April 1st deadline.
"I didn’t say they did. "
You didn't say anyone did. You made no mention of the airport terror bombing. I mentioned it and identified ISIS as the perpetrator.
"Most of the Afghan army simply dropped their weapons and took off."
The Afghan army, like ISIS, weren't party to the agreement, as I already mentioned.
"The reason why it was a clusterfuck is because the Biden administration fucked with the original pullout deadline,"
Fighting and losing a war has consequences, and not good ones, either. The war was lost long before Biden was president.
It was lost when he was VP in reality.
Wasn't it under Bush that the US military were bribing the Taliban to let supply trucks enter and pass through Afghanistan unmolested? I'd say that was a clear sign of a lost war.
"In this grotesque carnival, the US military's contractors are forced to pay suspected insurgents to protect American supply routes. It is an accepted fact of the military logistics operation in Afghanistan that the US government funds the very forces American troops are fighting. And it is a deadly irony, because these funds add up to a huge amount of money for the Taliban...In fact, US military officials in Kabul estimate that a minimum of 10% of the Pentagon's logistics contracts -- hundreds of millions of dollars, consists of payments to insurgents."
They started taking back control of the country years before the April 1st deadline.
I realize you have to play semantics here for the sake of arguing, but the facts are that the Taliban started their offensive after April 1st.
You didn’t say anyone did. You made no mention of the airport terror bombing. I mentioned it and identified ISIS as the perpetrator.
The airport terror bombing was incidental to the Taliban's post-April 1st offensive. The Biden administration began scrambling in August to get everyone out, ahead of the 9/11 ceremony date they wanted, because they got caught off-guard by how fast the Taliban was taking everything over during the summer. Which could have been avoided if they'd stuck to the original April 1st deadline Trump and his team agreed to, instead of their photo-op date.
The Afghan army, like ISIS, weren’t party to the agreement, as I already mentioned.
Which is irrelevant to the fact that they melted in the face of the Taliban's post-deadline offensive. Which I already covered.
Fighting and losing a war has consequences, and not good ones, either. The war was lost long before Biden was president.
Which is why Trump was actually trying to get a full withdrawal before the election, until Cheney and Crow teamed up in July to restrict the funding in the NDAA to enable it to happen.
"I realize you have to play semantics here for the sake of arguing, but the facts are that the Taliban started their offensive after April 1st."
The Taliban had been fighting from the time they booted out the Soviets. Their success over the US was evident since the Bush years. Whether the US left of April 1st or later wouldn't have changed anything. The Taliban won and the winners call the tune. That's the reality of the situation.
"Which is irrelevant to the fact that they melted in the face of the Taliban’s post-deadline offensive. Which I already covered."
Are you sure? Perhaps an agreement ironed out between all parties (excepting ISIS) might have been preferable. Who can say? Needless to say, US and Taliban negotiating over the heads of the government didn't lead to happy results for the Afghans. The offensive was against the Afghan government, which was obviously a lost cause in US thinking. As I mentioned, the Taliban and US were cooperating. In Doha, at the negotiations table, and in Afghanistan, for example at the airport providing security during the ISIS terror attack.
"Which is why Trump was actually trying"
Biden did more than 'actually try.'
The Taliban had been fighting from the time they booted out the Soviets.
Still playing semantics.
Are you sure?
Yes. You're engaging in hypotheticals because you can't refute the actual events.
Biden did more than ‘actually try.’
Sure, after Trump did most of the heavy lifting.
nationalism is about as easy to define as pornography
The whole exercise comes off as a bit disingenuous.
Person A: "I think nationalism is good because I define nationalism as (THIS)."
Person B: "No, you like nationalism not because of (This) but because Nationalism means (Something the person never said) and you're a horrible person for supporting (something the person never said."
I'll bet that there is at least one Supreme Court justice who won't be able to define "nationalism" but will "know nationalism when he sees it". My guess is that it will be Ketanji Brown Jackson, who has problems with definitions,
Boehm knows it when he sees it. And it's icky.
So the suggestion is that Libertarians form an alliance with Nationalists to combat a common enemy.
1789 Girondins form alliance with Jacobins to combat a common enemy,
1917 Mensheviks form alliance with Bolsheviks to combat a common enemy.
1936 Chiang Kai Shek forms alliance with Mao Tse Tung to combat a greater enemy.
1979 Liberal Iranians form alliance with Shi’a Fundamentalists to combat a common enemy.
1980 US forms alliance with Afghan Mujahedeen to combat a common enemy.
2011 Coptic Christians form alliance with Muslim Brotherhood to combat a common enemy.
2016 Mike Pence forms an alliange with Donald Trump to combat a common enemy.
What could possibly go wrong?
Act Blue forms an alliance with pedophiles to combat a common enemy: the American citizen.
So that's what they were doing in the basement of Comet Ping Pong!
Since your VP likes Venn diagrams so much - here's one:
If you map out the people who believed in PizzaGate with the ones that know anything about Q'Anon: It's a perfect circle of leftist losers. May as well throw in the whole 'OK Sign' being a racist right-wing dog whistle.
Boehm caught the MonkeyPox from David Boaz and it has migrated to his BRAIN. TDS and tertiary Mpox is no way to go through life
Boehm has been a Biden booster since the DNC convention.
How Will Reason Staffers Vote in 2020?
Funny. The way Boehm describes the "National Alliance" doesn't seem to reflect what Ramaswamy said hardly at all.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?535693-1/vivek-ramaswamy-debates-libertarian-party-vice-presidential-nominee
Takes about the brains of a pre-schooler to figure out the "National Alliance" Ramaswamy is after is a Constitutional D.C. - Are Libertarians against that? He goes on to talk about eliminate every UN-Constitutional alphabet-agency in D.C. Are Libertarians against that?
I found it appalling the boo-ing started the very second the word Trump was said. Seems Libertarians in D.C. are chuck full of TDS (expectantly being the leftard mentality of that city). While they continued to boo about shutting down UN-Constitutional agencies.
Boehm gets one part right - selling off principle to defeat the enemy and the most obvious enemy at that speech was 'Trump' and Flake-Libertarians sold out all their principle to boo JUST TO DEFEAT THE ENEMY. Boehm is starting to self-project as well.
It's not TDS, it's something of much longer and wider standing. It's a rejection of the idea of gaining influence, because then they're not the boss. They're only the boss of themselves, though, without effect on others.
Indeed. "because then they’re not the boss"
From the same who pretend Trumps De-Regulation is Authoritarian.
You’re only against it because it means siding with people who are for ending drugs, prostitution, abortion, pornography, and the LGBT pedo cult. Y'know, those heretics who are in favor of things like border control, law enforcement, and basic civility and morality?
Can’t touch your holy grails, right Reason?
Incidentally, why do you keep masquerading as libertarians when it’s plain as day that you’re just Marxists?
D.C. has no Constitutional authority for drugs, prostitution, abortion, pornography, and the LGBT. Libertarians don't need to be UN-Constitutional puritan-RINO'S (religious zealots) and neither do you need to be one. You don't need 'Guns' to dictate your *personal life* ideals onto everyone else you can live your life as you see fit.
Trump's offer of a cabinet position and senior appointments sounds very good to me, for the reasons he stated. How else to gain influence?
Lay down with dogs...
. . . And the pack will protect you from the next mandate?
I fail to see how remaining as irrelevant as humanly possible is a good strategy.
Whining from the sidelines is safe and feels good so the Reason staff are all for it, being in a position of influence Carrie's risk and responsibilities in the real world.
I’m curious – other than abortion and immigration, what is the major tension between American “nationalists” and libertarians? If the choice was strictly between Joe Biden and a libertarian, who would the nationalists vote for? Ron Paul was a frequent guest on the Michael Savage show, whose motto was “Borders Language and Culture”
Ghandi was a nationalist. Joan of Arc was a nationalist. Any number of civil rights activists and or independence fighters against tyranny was nationalist. The space race was at least partially motivated by nationalism. American revolution did not create liberty. It founded a nation that ended up freer than most. President Lincoln (in)famously insisted that he would keep slavery if it meant preserving the union. America may have been saved because it was not ran by a hardline abolitionist.
Reason libertarians represent the anarchist wing of the movement. They advocate for absolutist self determination to the exclusion of all else. If people lived in an island, agreed to take no more than 10 coconuts each, and refused a centralized government that could rule over them, that’s not an libertarian utopia. Deportations and border management are legitimate of government necessary for the upkeep of a functioning nation.
Most Americans consider their right to free speech and self defense as their national birthright. There are almost no other significant nation that does this. Had I never immigrated to America, I might think it’s kosher for the government to throw people in jail for free speech or disallow people from owning guns for the rest of my life. You think that’s a coincidence? You don’t think American society is unique or exceptional? You think their embrace of liberty has zero connection to their national identity or history?
Liberty isn’t something is created out of a vacuum. If millions of nondescript libertarians founded a “limited government zone” where they pledged loyalty only to individual freedom, Russia would take over in a matter of months. How can individual freedom exist without a foundation? “I’ll fight for the rights, but not my country” – you expect that nation to exist for long?
You really want to know what the major tension is? It's each side saying:
There have been times and places in the past wherein the interests of libertarians on one side and nationalists and populists, or national populists, on the other have been in conflict, but right now as concerns the USA (and much of the "West"), those interests are all aligned together against those of elitist internationalists. For those of you who've been around a while, haven't you noticed this polarity develop over the past ~30 years? 50-60 years ago it was libertarians who were weirdos, against the ideas of the common wo/man, but now we're all up against an international elite of what would've been thought weird then. It was just libertarians against prohibitionism when it was about heroin, but now that it's about nicotine as well...? It was just libertarians against censorship when it was just about porno, but now that it's also about...well, everything...?
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Sorry, you've missed the mark. They represent the "establishment" wing of the movement: those who've gotten too bound up as a mutual admiration society to keep their eyes on the goal of affecting public policy. People fixed on "Whee, we're libertarian! And I'm a wheel within that, because you recognize it in me as I do in you!"
Here it is the next morning. Didn't HyR have anybody on the beat of covering Trump's speech? Are they afraid the idea of having Trump as a leader of libertarians, offering actual influence on American policy, is too toxic to discuss?
Do you want more DeVos in the Cabinet that's coming in? (OK, insert link for Devo video.) Or do you want Trump to make a marginal choice informed by the feedback that libertarians are useless for MAGA, and therefore pick someone who may be about equally good as far as he can tell, but much less libertarian? Do you have any idea about the logrolling needed to influence the margins?
Repeat after me: "Trump always picks the best people."
You have nothing to worry about!
No, it's because neither he nor anyone else always picks the best people, so I want to see libertarians influencing him. We may not get the best people that way, but at least they'll be more libertarian.
If Ramaswamy is his VP pick who is entirely about eliminated the alphabet Nazi-Agencies in D.C. I'd say it's a win-win for Libertarians.
Trump did do some things completely Not-Libertarian. Supporting the Cares Act, Bumpstock bans, Electing Catholics that killed Republican written Roe v Wade (though he advertised otherwise) but all-in-all more De-Regulatory far-more than anyone else. With Ramaswamy the pair might really bring Libertarian principles into D.C.
If Ramaswamy is his VP pick who is entirely about eliminated the alphabet Nazi-Agencies in D.C. I’d say it’s a win-win for Libertarians
If he went the Milei route and just deactivated a bunch of dead-weight federal offices in the first 48 hours, he'd have done more to cut government in that time than any "small government Republican" has actually done in the last 100 years.
+100000000000.
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-booed-for-wearing-deodorant-at-libertarian-convention
"Freedom of movement "
Reason: open borders uber alles.
Not a word about dismantling the welfare state currently creating perverse incentives for importing poverty.
Not a word about the importation of known criminals and terrorists.
Not a word about the brutal coyotes and their raping their way to the border.
Sure, make coming here easier. But dammit, turning the whole country into one big steaming cesspool of illegal squatters sucking on the government (i.e., taxpayers) tit is not the answer.
Next Reason will be telling me that I need to keep my doors unlocked and my fridge stocked at let anyone who wants to come into my house to do so, "freedom of movement" after all.
I'm starting to think more and more that getting out of the rat race and dropping income to $0 and become a tit-sucker myself might be just the ticket. Better than paying 6 figures in taxes and get jack for it while I watch Joe hand billions upon billion upon billions to deadbeat college students and illegal aliens gaming the charitable amnesty system we created.
"Not a word about ...."
The less said about this huckster, the better.
Nationalism, at its root, is a fundamentally collectivist idea that prioritizes the needs of the state over the choices of individuals.
Yes. This is why Nationalism needs to be tempered and offset by morality, and thus returned to individual control, having been guided by Truth, Goodness, Beauty, and Righteousness.
aka Christianity.
Hence why Christian Nationalism is the way to go. This maximizes both the choices of the individual while allowing society to flourish under a State borne OF the individual.
This is literally what the Founders built. And it’s not hard to return to their ideals. Of the people, by the people, for the people. This is both Christianity and Americanism in a nutshell – and it even makes room your oh so revered libertarian society of drug-addicted LGBTpedo prostitutes (though it aims to encourage you towards something a little better than that).
The problem with Trump is that he thinks Nationalism can work without Christianity. It can’t, and it won’t. If it’s NOT tempered by moral goodness, it’s just “might makes right.” Which is the same thing all the democrats, fascists, theocrats, and communists believe in.
Finally Reason took the time to learn what LP activists and national delegates are all about, unlike surface scratch level treatment we got in 2022. While far from all the way united, LP delegates like me (non aligned to any caucus) and others raised our voices and demonstrated through our actions that we reject Authoritarianism and Nationalism, are pro-peace in every respect and can nominate the best POTUS-VP ticket the Party has had since the 2000s; Chase Oliver and Mike ter Matt.
"they want to grow the power of the state to pursue things like industrial policy, aggressive deportations, and even very silly stuff like banning lab-grown meat."
The author has a really unrealistic notion of the current size of government, to think it would have to grow any to pursue those goals.
Neither does a libertarian-Marxist alliance, but the LP nomination this year looks like that's what they're going for. Wear the slave muzzle, inject the poison, bake the cake, words are violence. That's Chase.
And it's always brutally enforced against the little guy while the rich and powerful are exempt as long as they (D)onate to the right team and sing that tune (totalitarian Globocap).
LP went from 3% to 1% with flawed, reviled candidates, because they went from liberty lite with a dopey VP pick to full open-borders, hate-whitey progtards. Then they decided the next level was to just adopt the DNC platform except maybe with a limited exception for guns.
I would prefer no authoritarian lunatics at all, but if you care about any freedoms, one set of them - the leftist Marxist China puppets - are still FAR more immediately dangerous and insidious than the dopey Populist/Christian Nationalists. At least the latter would face some resistance. And more importantly if I can't stop a leviathan, I would VASTLY prefer it to be stomping on someone ELSE. Not an ideal choice, but the country and human liberty CERTAINLY end with 4 more years of Xiden. They probably do with Trump too but there is still a chance of fixing them. Or at least open rebellion against the globalists, which is what is needed right now. Otherwise you are looking at a techno-slave state.