Biden Wants a Defense Pact With Saudi Arabia While 9/11 Victims Are Suing the Kingdom
The White House announced a “near final” defense pact with Saudi Arabia yesterday, just as new evidence about Saudi links to 9/11 is emerging.

American troops might be pledged to defend Saudi territory soon. President Joe Biden is seeking a "mega-deal" that would bind the United States, Saudi Arabia, and Israel into a Middle Eastern military alliance. After Biden's National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan met with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman last week, both governments announced that they had a "near-final" version of a defense pact worked out.
A group of 9/11 victims' families wants something very different. For years, they have been suing the Saudi government, based on alleged contacts between Saudi officials and 9/11 hijackers. Earlier this month, the Saudi government argued that its officials had nothing to do with the attacks and motioned for the case to be thrown out. The families' lawyers responded with a bombshell filing: They claim to have new evidence that the 9/11 hijackers were assisted by "a covert and illegal Saudi government platform" on American soil.
The families' filing focuses on accused Saudi spy Omar Al Bayoumi, who hosted two of the future hijackers in southern California, and Saudi diplomat Fahad Al Thumairy, who allegedly sent an associate to help host them. The Saudi government argues that Bayoumi "had innocent motives: to help fellow Saudis who were new to the San Diego Muslim community and to get a referral fee from his apartment manager. Al Thumairy did not assist the hijackers at all."
But the families cited several new pieces of evidence that have not been revealed to the public yet—including FBI memos, home videos of Al Bayoumi, and phone surveillance records—that link Al Bayoumi and Al Thumairy to the hijackers. The families also have a "smoking gun" from British police, a notebook seized from Al Bayoumi that includes "a drawing of a plane, alongside a calculation used to discern the distance at which a target on the ground will be visible from a certain altitude."
Former U.S. counterterrorism official Steve Simon, who assisted the families with their case and who was my colleague when I worked at the Quincy Institute two years ago, believes that support for the hijackers did not necessarily come from the top.
Saudi government motives "won't be fully understood until the royal archives are opened, assuming that internal discussions were even recorded. But it does seem, in general, that the House of Saud ruled but did not govern; governance was typically for commoners," he wrote in The Atlantic. "Without inquiring closely into the day-to-day operations of the religious and foreign-affairs ministries, the royals could not have had a clear idea of what was being done in their name, including the deployment of Saudis with diplomatic visas for the purpose of attacking the kingdom's strongest, most reliable transactional partner."
And the kingdom has changed a lot under bin Salman, who crushed the old Saudi religious establishment during his rise to power and now runs a much tighter ship. Still, the Saudi government does not seem keen to have U.S. courts dig up its past activities, especially since a majority of the American public already opposes a defense pact.
Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia and Israel seem to have very different ideas of what Biden's mega-deal would mean for them. Last year, the Israeli side was quite optimistic. Israeli Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer stated that a Saudi-Israeli deal would be a "reverse 9/11." But the war in Gaza has revived the Palestinian issue in Arab politics, and Saudi Arabia is now demanding Palestinian independence as a prerequisite to a deal with Israel.
This weekend, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implied that he would reject a Saudi deal because an independent Palestine "will inevitably be a terror state." At the same time, Saudi Arabia has been trying to do an end-run around Netanyahu, pushing for a "less-for-less model" that cuts Israel out of the pact. The Biden administration, however, believes that it can still get everyone on board.
"The integrated vision is a bilateral understanding between the United States and Saudi Arabia combined with normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia, combined with meaningful steps on behalf of the Palestinian people," Sullivan, the Biden adviser, said earlier this month. "All of that has to come together…you can't disentangle one piece from the others."
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I spy the big guy.
I thought the big guy was gonna be, you know, REALLY tough on KSA.
Another thing he clearly fucked up.
Is anyone more anti American than SleepyJoe?
Other than you? It's hard to imagine.
What's that? You get hard imagining anti-American SleepyJoe?
Edg is pretty fucked up in the head.
He’s a special Ed.
Sucking Saudi cock is the one common requirement all US presidents must demonstrate.
Special honorable mention to Dubya who let the bin Laden family fly out of the US the day after 9/11 when all flights were cancelled.
Cool story, other than it isn't true. Relatives of Osama Bin Laden (of which he has many as the Bin Laden family is just a tad large) were allowed to fly outside the country once airports were reopened after the attacks.
Two dozen members of Osama bin Laden's family were urgently evacuated from the United States in the first days following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, according to the Saudi ambassador to Washington.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bin-laden-family-evacuated/
How about you read your own article:
'They left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks.'
Some of the few Cheney didn't have waterboarded.
The special treatment given to Saudi chums was sickening.
So you just throw out a false statement, try to double-down and your own cite proves you wrong, and then you just go off on a non-sequitur.
Wow.
I'm aware that there are many Dubya/Trump apologists that post here.
The bin Laden family was scattered all over the USA. Their overseas charter apparently left 9/14 but they were flown to DC sometime before then.
It was a big deal at the time. Bush/Cheney fans were quick to defend the Saudis.
Keep up with the lies. It’s fun.
You fucking lied, own that shit. Calling others apologists does nothing to remove the lies you told.
Can you explain what similarities exist between Trump and Bush.
You cited that there are apologists for BOTH here. I've never seen any.
And you, as usual, lied. Own it.
Can you explain what similarities exist between Trump and Bush.
Style wise - completely different.
But both are Big Government, big deficit, big spending conservatives.
Any similarities between Trump and, well, anyone, are purely coincidental because the man is a narcissist who has no principles other than self promotion.
Sarc claims he doesn't have TDS. LOL.
Jesse, sarc has long TDS. Possibly longnecks too though I’d wager he’s still rocking 40s.
The U.S. government had allowed, before commercial airspace was reopened, at least one domestic flight for Saudis who had feared for their safety
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2004/07/22/plane-carried-13-bin-ladens/ab154d45-1f4c-42e6-9522-323140d9e405/
Never doubt the Buttplug.
Flights of Saudi Nationals Leaving the United States
Three questions have arisen with respect to the departure of Saudi nationals from the United States in the immediate aftermath of 9/11:
(1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001? (2) Was there any political interven-tion to facilitate the departure of Saudi nationals? (3) Did the FBI screen Saudi nationals thoroughly before their departure?
First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals,
domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001. 24 To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.25
Second, we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals. The issue came up in one of the many video teleconferences of the interagency group Clarke chaired, and Clarke said he approved of how the FBI was dealing with the matter when it came up for interagency
discussion at his level. Clarke told us,“I asked the FBI, Dale Watson . . .to handle that, to check to see if that was all right with them, to see if they wanted access to any of these people, and to get back to me. And if they had no objections, it would be fine with me.” Clarke added,“I have no recollection of clearing it with anybody at the White House.”26
Although White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card remembered
someone telling him about the Saudi request shortly after 9/11, he said he had not talked to the Saudis and did not ask anyone to do anything about it.The President and Vice President told us they were not aware of the issue at all until it surfaced much later in the media. None of the officials we interviewed recalled any intervention or direction on this matter from any political appointee. 27
Third, we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United States on charter flights. 28 The Saudi government was advised of and agreed to the FBI’s requirements that passengers be identified and checked against various databases before the flights departed. 29 The Federal Aviation Administration rep-
resentative working in the FBI operations center made sure that the FBI was aware of the flights of Saudi nationals and was able to screen the passengers before they were allowed to depart. 30
The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures.They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights. 31
Source?
That would be the 9-11 commission report. If you download it you can see what they cited as well.
And if you want to bring up the ‘phantom’ flight that supposedly everyone denies that flew out of Orlando:
Another particular allegation is that a flight carrying Saudi nationals from Tampa, Florida, to Lexington, Kentucky, was allowed to fly while airspace was closed, with special approval by senior U.S. government officials. On September 13,Tampa police brought three young Saudis they were protecting on an off-duty security detail to the airport so they could get on a plane to Lexington. Tampa police arranged for two private investigators to provide security on the flight.They boarded a chartered Learjet. Dan Grossi interview (May 24, 2004); Manuel Perez interview (May 27, 2004); John Solomon interview (June 4, 2004); Michael Fendle interview (June 4, 2004).The plane took off at 4:37 P.M ., after national airspace was open, more than five hours after the Tampa airport had reopened, and after other flights had arrived at and departed from that airport. Hillsborough County Aviation Authority,Tampa International Airport response to Commission questions for the record, June 7, 2004.The plane’s pilot told us there was “nothing unusual whatsoever” about the flight other than there were few airplanes in the sky.The company’s owner and director of operations agreed, saying that “it was just a routine little trip for us” and that he would have
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heard if there had been anything unusual about it.The pilot said he followed standard procedures and filed his flight plan with the FAA prior to the flight, adding,“I was never questioned about it.” Christopher Steele interview (June 14, 2004); Barry Ellis interview (June 14, 2004). FAA records confirm this account. FAA supplemental response to Commission questions for the record, June 8, 2004. When the plane arrived at Lexington Blue Grass Airport, that airport had also been open for more than five hours. Lexington-Fayette Urban County Airport Board, Blue Grass Airport response to Commission questions for the record, June 8, 2004.The three Saudi nationals debarked from the plane and were met by local police.Their private security guards were paid, and the police then escorted the three Saudi passengers to a hotel where they joined relatives already in Lexington. Mark Barnard interview (June 7, 2004). The FBI is alleged to have had no record of the flight and denied that it occurred, hence contributing to the story of a “phantom flight.”This is another misunderstanding.The FBI was initially misinformed about how the Saudis got to Lexington by a local police officer in Lexington who did not have firsthand knowledge of the matter.The Bureau subsequently learned about the flight. James M. interview (June 18, 2004
Dana Milbank is not proof, pluggo.
You lied and got nailed to the wall over it.
Even better, it is someone on Lautenberg's 'staff'...
However the 9/11 commission disagrees.
The suit brought by JW found info that disagrees.
All other articles (including the first one he posted) disagree.
Ergo, he is a liar.
We call that the shrike special, not to be confused with the shrike CP special.
He never reads his own links.
It’s the shrike special.
Even when you have a half decent point (that there is too much saudi ass kissing by the US), your lies and general stupidity shine through.
Also have you found the password to SPB1 yet?
Not hard to understand why, of course.
But trust Russia to note the contrast between that and the claim Russia has to be defeated because it is an authoritarian state that has no right to do what the us would do if Mexico entered and Canada was about to enter a military alliance with China.
I'm not a fan of defensive pacts. But I doubt Congress would approve the agreement. My main question is what the two topics in the headline have to do with each other.
I agree. Two topics are not really related. The US can have a defense agreement with Saudi Arabi and US citizens can sue the Saudi government. One should not influence the other.
Because the lawsuit produced evidence of official Saudi government connections with the 9/11 attacks and highlights American opposition to a defense pact with them.
Which has nothing to do with a defense pact 23 years later.
We have defensive pacts with Germany despite WW2.
Uh, yeah, after we defeated, gelded, and de-Nazi-fied Germany.
Likewise, no normal relations with Saudi Arabia until every Saudi who materially and morally supported Al-Qarda is brought to justice, Islam is no longer the official State Religion of Saudi Arabia, and there’s a Six Flags over Mecca and Medina.
Try not to be any sillier than you have to be. Of course the two things have SOMETHING to do with each other, not "nothing to do with" it. Whether or not you agree with a defense pact with the Saudis or with Germany or oppose one or both of them, history does have SOMETHING to do with it. In my view, whether we should have a defense pact with Germany now; and whether we should have a defense pact with the Saudis now; depend on whether they have changed significantly since World War Two or since 9/11 respectively - among other things, of course.
“But the war in Gaza has revived the Palestinian issue in Arab politics, and Saudi Arabia is now demanding Palestinian independence as a prerequisite to a deal with Israel.”
Which is, of course, why Hamas launched their particularly disgusting terrorist attack on innocent Israelis at that particular moment in October – to derail defense and peace agreements with the Saudis. And, of course, it worked perfectly although perhaps Hamas miscalculated and underestimated the completeness of the IDF response somewhat. I may never understand why our Fearless Leaders cannot resist the temptation to meddle cluelessly in foreign affairs, especially hopelessly convoluted, complex and perpetually insoluble situations like the Middle East. If Shoeless Joe Biden had not tried to put together this farcical “defense pact” over a thousand Israelis might still be alive and the Gaza War might not have happened at all. Thanks ever so much idiots!
At least the British had the sense to say "This mess can never be resolved. We're outta here!".
But I do notice Biden is working on a defense pact, and 'that other guy' actually achieved a peace agreement.
We don't need either a defense pact or a peace agreement with the Saudis from either guy, whether the guy is Orange or Big.
As unsavory as the Saudi government is the US still need partners in the region. I think that the situation in Iran after loss of some current leaders there necessitates strengthening relations with allies. So, I hope something can be worked out. The Palestinian situation also needs to be worked out or we will just be back with the same old problem in a few years.
Maybe you have such partners in your life, but I would not want to partner with the Saudis in any way for any purpose. If you do have such partners in your life, I feel very badly for you. None of the goals you mentioned can be achieved or “worked out” – even with “partners in the region” – and the fact that you seem to think they can speaks volumes about your cluelessness. The U.S. should stay strictly out of Middle Eastern affairs and mind our own damned business, American exceptionalism notwithstanding.
First does that keep out of the Middle East include Israel or just the surrounding countries. I am also not sure that we can keep out of the middle east. The Middle East is the cradle of civilization and it just seems to be a part of the world that can never be set aside. It is this middle ground between Europe, Asia, and Africa that has gotten attention for as long a history has been written. I just don't think we can leave it.
No, we don't need the Saudis for shit, not even oil if we Drill, Baby, Drill under our own Continental Shelf and start back building nuclear reactors.
Foreign policy realpolitik ends up making some ugly compromises. Welcome to the realities of diplomacy.
The thing is, Realpolitik never recognizes the reality that there is need for principles to help your nation survive in freedom and be an example to the rest of the world and that the enemy of an enemy is usually just another bunch of riff-raff.
^ This ...
The realities of diplomacy should dictate that we should avoid diplomacy totally. America should have no diplomats, no diplomatic ties and no embassies or treaties at all. All we need do as a nation is maintain an unbeatable national military defense and use it only to defend ourselves against imminent military attack.