Biden and Trump Want a Presidential Debate Safe Space
Two debates, no RFK Jr.—not an improvement.

President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump have agreed to participate in two presidential debates—one in June and one in September—after both candidates bucked the Commission on Presidential Debates, the nonprofit organization that has managed such affairs since 1988.
Biden had a list of demands regarding the terms of this debate, such as the elimination of the traditional live audience and inclusion of mics that immediately cut off when the candidate's time has elapsed and the other person is speaking. Apparently these terms were amenable to Trump, who nevertheless complained that Biden is afraid of crowds.
This means the candidates have officially killed the proposal put forth by the commission, which wanted three debates somewhat closer to Election Day, in September and October. There is nothing sacred about the commission, and these new debates may well be an improvement over last cycle's. Preventing the candidates from interrupting each other would be a significant win for the viewing public and everyone involved.
That said, Biden and Trump have utterly failed—unsurprisingly—to agree to the most desirable change, which would have been to include more candidates. The commission infamously restricted its debates to just candidates polling above a 15 percent threshold. In 2016, this meant that Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson was excluded despite polling as high as 13 percent in some surveys. By mutual decree, Biden and Trump are sticking with this arbitrary limitation.
In a statement, the Biden campaign said the purpose of the debate was "to compare the only two candidates with any statistical chance of prevailing in the Electoral College" and not to waste time "on candidates with no prospect of becoming president." That's a rather direct rebuke of independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is currently polling at about 10 percent in battleground states.
RFK Jr. is not currently in a position to win the presidential election. But he could have a major impact. Polls show that he is currently pulling votes from Biden and Trump in somewhat equal measure. He has also attracted a following among anti-establishment, populist, and even some libertarian voters. If either Biden or Trump were to make an appeal to previous supporters who have decamped for RFK Jr., and win them back, it could be the difference on Election Day.
Of course, both major party candidates are probably more worried about the opposite thing happening: RFK Jr. winning an even greater number of their voters. Their present actions betray them; the Biden campaign is doing everything in its power to undermine RFK Jr.'s ballot access drive, while Trump is desperate to remind his base of RFK Jr.'s decidedly nonconservative views on guns, environmental regulation, and abortion.
RFK Jr. holds an eclectic mix of views, some of which appeal to supporters of limited government: He opposed COVID-19 mandates, is worried about federal efforts to suppress dissent on social media, and does not want to continue sending billions in foreign aid to Ukraine. Yet he remains a progressive liberal on a range of social and economic issues. He recently expressed support for both student loan debt forgiveness and affirmative action.
He is keen to join the debate stage. He recently issued a challenge to Trump to debate him later this month at the Libertarian National Convention, where both candidates will be speaking. (Hopefully the party will make time for its own prospective candidates as well.) Trump does not seem likely to take him up on this offer; like Biden, Trump wants a presidential debate safe space, where the two presidents* only have to face each other.
Leave Maggie Alone
New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman, well-known for her coverage of Trump, was excoriated by liberals on social media this week because of a wrinkle in the Trump hush money case. One exhibit in the trial was text messages between Haberman and former Trump fixer Michael Cohen, the purpose of which was to establish that Cohen was well-accustomed to doing Trump's dirty work.
"Please start writing and I will call you soon," read one message from Cohen to Haberman.
On X, liberals treated this as proof that Haberman was somehow in cahoots with the Trump campaign. But the exchange is perfectly benign; sometimes a reporter is only interested in writing a story if they can get comment from the source. It looks to me like Cohen was merely acknowledging to Haberman that she wouldn't be wasting her time—he would, in fact, provide whatever statement she needed. This is perfectly common journalistic practice.
Of course, many Democrats have decided that The New York Times should be working full-time to help reelect Biden to the presidency, a notion that Times Executive Editor Joe Kahn unequivocally rejects.
This Week on Free Media
I'm joined by The Spectator's Amber Duke to discuss MSNBC's horror over independent voters seeing Biden as a bigger threat to democracy than Trump, quarterback Aaron Rodgers stumping for RFK Jr., CNN reacting to Cohen's testimony, Vice President Kamala Harris dropping an f-bomb, and The Simpsons killing comedy with European Union propaganda.
Worth Watching
Amazon released a trailer for the second season of The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power. I thought the first season was OK, but not great. It felt like very generic fantasy and was missing some of the light-hearted whimsy and magic of Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy. (As well as the Hobbit films, which I found delightful; whenever I hear someone say "they should have been one movie," I stop listening.) Like everyone else (except for Galadriel, sadly), I guessed that the mysterious castaway from the second episode was actually Sauron; the fake-out with the Stranger did not fool me for one second.
This trailer makes it look like the second season will depict Sauron's corruption of Numenor, which is definitely an interesting aspect of the backstory. We shall see if they manage to make it compelling.
*CORRECTION: This article has been edited to clarify the descriptions of Trump and Biden.
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When did Trump male these demands robby?
Apparently these terms were amenable to Trump, who nevertheless complained that Biden is afraid of crowds.
What the fuck Robbie? Bidens team was trying to push these so Trump wouldn't agree. He called their bluff.
Of course Biden isn’t afraid of crowds.
Biden’s handlers on the other hand fear enough that they must script his words and pray he doesn't go off the bald face pony soldier rails.
"What the fuck Robbie?"
Koch/KMW 101. No slagging Biden without hitting Trump twice as hard. Just following orders.
And the first debate is on CNN, moderated by Jake Tapper. Hardly what I'd call a safe space for Trump.
That's a lie. Trump wanted regular debates. It's the Biden administration that want to limit his exposure. Trump has no choice in this democrat controlled media and establishment. We are a banana republic. This shouldn't even be close! Americans have become so ignorant, ill-informed, and child-like. They have no clue about economics, history, the Constitution, or why they are free. God help us!
Adding RFK would not help matters.
It is absolutely NOT “the most desirable change”. His presence would be more entertaining. He might bring out some better sound bites from all concerned. It might even change how a few people vote. But it wouldn’t change the election.
ETA: I mean, look at your own contradiction, Robbie:
How is it a major impact to affect them equally?
The both sides-ing here is silly. Biden camp proposes terms it thinks is favorable for him amd Trump accepts. The crowd thing is explicitly in Biden's favor because Trump can play off even a hostile crowd well. I'm generally in favor of at least a portion of the debate involving cut mics. Trump was off the chains disruptive. The issue I have is that it encourages the debate tactic of piling up so many lies and other bullshit that your opponent wastes all his time countering it rather than making his own positive case.
The RFK part is intentionally a false comparison by Robby. I don't think Trump cares if he's there, but agrees that his inclusion is a waste of time. While Trump is debating RFK's positions, Biden is trying to get rid of him. That signals to me that both campaigns believe Trump can either pull from his supporters or RFK can steal support from Biden.
One candidate is going to great lengths to game the system in his favor.
I’m generally in favor of at least a portion of the debate involving cut mics. Trump was off the chains disruptive.
And this is why I think it was actually a poor move on Biden’s handlers’ part. The worst thing about Trump’s debate performance was the constant interrupting. There were so many moments of “just shut up and let the doddering dolt hang himself and stop bailing him out by making yourself look like such an asshole.”
Someone in Biden’s campaign decided that letting Biden just flounder in the wind for several minutes at a time without interruption is a good idea.
The people who shoot videos for him on his social media would not have been some of those people.
5 cuts for a 13 second video. That is pathetic.
Right, and if Trump didn't agree with these restrictions from the Biden regime you'd be calling him out for refusing. Fuck you and your "heads I win, tails you lose" framing you dishonest leftist POS.
Apparently these terms were amenable to Trump, who nevertheless complained that Biden is afraid of crowds.
Or, Trump really wanted to engage in a debate with Sleepy Joe, and Joe's team may have set the lack of live audience as a condition and Trump accepted. Trump's agreement to this term doesn't mean he also didn't want a crowd. It's trying to create a contradiction where none exists.
Good riddance to the CPD. If the "debates" turn out to be actual debates between the two leading candidates, then it might actually turn out to be interesting. The way the so-called "debates" evolved over the last few decades - especially the ten-candidate dog-and-pony primary shows - they were totally pointless. If there are actually a few clueless peeps out there honestly have not yet made up their minds which of the two is the lesser of two evils, how they handle actual questions could make a difference.
Good riddance to the CPD.
Hear, hear!
Agreed, but that's not happening with entities like the (C)ommunist (N)ews (N)etwork hosting.
It'll be just like the press conferences of 2016-2020 vs 2021-2024 all over again: huge biased 2 minute "questions" for Trump which are just leftist propaganda speeches, and then they'll ask Xiden what ice cream he likes or why he's so wonderful. They'll lie about Trump and won't challenge Xiden's lies.
Might as well not even have any debates at that point.
* I don't like either of them, and RFK Jr's disqualifying running mate (among other statements such as his positions on guns and "man-made" "climate change") undoubtedly proves he is not serious about being an independent 'centrist' candidate, but from a libertarian perspective, 2016-2018 Trump was less awful than 2019-2020 Trump, and WAY less awful than 2021-2024 Xiden.
Look at what you've highlighted:
How can you say that without noting that one is actually discussing real policy differences, and the other one is fiddling with laws and regulations? Your "desperately" is on the wrong candidate.
I see no reason to indulge delusional, irrelevant vanity candidate (and Hall of Fame nepo baby) Robert F. Kennedy Jr. or his following of ignorant, disaffected, worthless misfits. They can watch, decide, and vote like anyone else, but are entitled to no special privileges.
It is natural for fringe malcontents such as Mr. Soave to disagree.
"delusional"
I challenge you to produce one RFK Jr. quote that matches the sheer comedic he-can't-possibly-be-that-stupid-can-he? value of this jaw-dropper:
"I wouldn’t mind seeing Judge Barrett confirmed, if only because I believe it would precipitate the installation of four new, better justices during the first half of 2021."
Can you imagine how ridiculous the author of that idiotic prediction feels right now? 🙁
Never gets old.
The odds on Trump actually showing up at the LP convention are slim. Why take the chance of getting booed by any significant numbers of the audience? And, don't forget, as a former President with Secret Service protection, he doesn't just stroll into a venue that they haven't thoroughly checked out in advance. Is the LP prepared to undergo such disruption, provide another "cleaned" venue for Trump, pass through metal detectors, have "offensive" signage confiscated, etc.?
oh you sad little thing.
Don't you understand that the venue is already set for Trump's appearance?
Trump's going to go to the LP convention and announce GALA--
GIVE AMERICA LIBERTY AGAIN
Because he's the only one running who cares about it at all.
"the venue is already set for Trump’s appearance?"
Are you saying that, all along, the powers that be in the LP have been aiming at
getting Trump to the LP convention and, maybe, capturing the nomination?
Do you think the LP getting attention on their issues and perspective from a major candidate is a bad thing?
1. Let’s see if he actually shows up, rather than merely sending a prerecorded video.
2. Regardless of whether it’s live or canned, let’s see if he’ll address libertarian issues specifically.
3. Our issues and perspectives are not the same as Republican nativists who think it’s cute to call themselves libertarians. Bashing immigrants is not a core LP issue.
4. Finally, I do not believe the motive of those who invited him has anything to do with gaining favorable attention. I'm guessing the motive is to get MAGA ringers to attend and get themselves seated as delegates, in the hopes of voting to have no nominee, which is a specific ballot option in the LP. It now looks like multiple states will have two sets of delegates showing up and claiming to be legitimate. And just coincidentally, the same people that did the Trump invite recently replaced members of the credentials committee, and they did it well after the bylaws deadline.
PS: If (4) turns out to a false accusation, I won't be all that apologetic, because they've done nothing to earn my trust and a lot to lose it.
PPS: There is some good in it, though. There’s a certain type of Trump supporter that hates all other Republicans even more than they hate Democrats. This could get them to vote for LP congressional and state level candidates.
If there is one thing we know about Trump is he hates a crowd.
Lol.
That either candidate, let alone both, would even plan to appear at the LP convention is remarkable. I hadn't heard about that before. It's unprecedented. When were these plans made? And, if anyone knows, why?
There won't be any meaningful debate - just Donnie lying and interrupting and Joe stumbling and mumbling like the senile old coot he is.
You are right. In fact, even if there was a three-way debate, you'd have
Senile Joe
Trump the Interrupting Cow
RFK the Paranoid Nutjob
If there was a televised worldwide three-way debate, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a rush to sell off the dollar, as the rest of the world finally understands what terribly shitty choices we have in November and that one of these three idiots will be leading the world's reserve currency.
Boaf sydes!
In this case both sides suck.
If only you could get Alexander Soros, Justin Trudeau and Bill Gates on that stage, huh?
Or their grandkids backstage!
We already know you're voting for pedo Joe. Same with shrike.
Goddamn right. To paraphrase PJ O'Rourke I will take the normal bad (Joe) over the nutcase bad (Donnie).
Because "Donnie" would try and imprison his main opponent, censor the internet, illegally spy on opposition campaigns (and citizens), target dissidents, right?
But you have to imagine what Trump might do while ignoring his 4 years he didnt do it.
Only candidates without having had a brain worm may participate. This is easy for Biden since there is no nourishment for that type of parasite.
How shocking that the Biden/Trump joint press conferences are structured to exclude other candidates.
Candidates that can’t even muster 10%.
In 2016, this meant that Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson was excluded despite polling as high as 13 percent in some surveys.
I think by the end, GayJay didn't even have 13 percent of libertarians.
https://libertarianinvestments.com/2016/08/27/10-reasons-gary-johnson-is-not-a-libertarian/
Bill Weld won over so many liberaltarians though.
The King of Reason, William Weld I, first of his line.
Meh...
Debates are nothing but 30 second talking points at best (Trump vs Biden debate 1, being the worst), with a heaping of Beltway Bullshit on the side.
...I'll pass
The microphone cut off was to be expected. Any of the modern debates the candidates are simply not held to time standards as they should be and there is far too much talking over another candidate. You only have to look at this year's Republican debates. As for the audience, debate audience are typically asked to listen and not participate through applause or vocal comments. I would favor an audience that observed those norms. Absent that, an audience is not needed. As for RFK Jr, if Trump did not want to be on stage with Nikki Haley I cannot see him being on with Kennedy. Maybe the Presidential debate commission should hold debates between the lower ranked candidates and give us the opportunity to see them.
1 minute time standards for a response to a complex topic is a joke and done to protect politicians.
I agree with you about the time allotted. I like to see fewer questions and more time allotted for the response.
They should get initially at least two hours each, the debate should take place over three days and they should be be allowed props. Really present their case to the voters.
One minute is the stupidest fucking thing on earth.
That might actually end up being a debate. Which could be interesting. A one minute response time pretty much guarantees a content free event.
A prominent national leader recently sat down for a long form, two hour interview and that was outstanding.
Agreed. Ross Perot had his infomercials with charts, he really took off with that, and the Uniparty certainly cannot prosper if the low information voters start getting REAL information.
The Reason merch store should sell a bobblehead Robby with a limited edition offering that includes an actual lock of his hair.
Or at least real uyghur baby hair.
they stitch the numbers on the NBA jerseys with that
I think it's the Uyghur kidneys that are in demand. Now getting one of Robby's kidneys would be like winning the lotto.
Please bring back dueling.
The ghost of Alexander Hamilton suggests we aaron the side of caution and skip duels.
The constant punning is becoming a burr under my saddle, can weehawken back to a time before it became a thing?
His puns Trump yours.
He’s just biden his time to drop a nice one using a lincoln the description.
I’m Putin the Nixon anymore of this.
A lady bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Yes. Civilized humans don't use lawfair. Brandishing govguns at your opponent is an act of violence.
I think they should compete in a live game show. The Cognitive Function Show.
Have both be contestants on The Apprentice?
Works for me.
Does Trump still get to be the boss?
It might work no worse than the current (non-)system we have for selecting VP candidates . . .
I'm OK with a deathmatch as well.
As well as the Hobbit films, which I found delightful; whenever I hear someone say "they should have been one movie," I stop listening.
From one bad opinion about movies last post to another.
Get a clue Robbie.
I didn't mind the 3 movies thing as much as other people seem to have. The thing is, Peter Jackson wanted to try to do it in 1, when the studio wanted another trilogy. I think he did about as well as he could under the pressure to stretch them out like that. Some of the changes were OK, and the additional context stuff with the Necromancer and things like that were based on Tolkien's own source material, so I was fine with that.
Kind of wish they had skipped the rock giants, though.
I never watched the second two movies. I assumed they would be fairly average movies, but nothing exceptional.
Desolation of Smaug was fun.
The John Wayne Bobbitt movies were awful. It was like Disney had taken control of production.
The LOTR trilogy was tremendous.
Have only seen angry reviews of the tv show.
I never got past the first 30-45 minutes of the hobbit movies.
The LOTR trilogy had a few spectacular moments visually, and it was obviously made with care. But I found them tedious and overwrought. By the end, I literally despised Sam and Frodo for their constant emoting about friendship. And Jesus Lord, those goddamned movies would not end. I think seeing them all in the theatre literally broke the entire medium for me. Afterwards, I couldn’t stand sitting and trying to watch something for more than an hour without pacing or yelling at the screen.
Full disclosure: was never specifically a Tolkien fan, always got mine second hand from D&D, Warhammer, etc. could be part of my problem.
Just because Jackson was forced to do it by the studio doesn’t mean it wasn’t bad. It just means it wasn’t his fault. It was bloated, stupid, and poorly edited. The ending of the second movie is the worst “not an ending” I’ve ever seen in film. The studio want Smaug as a cliffhanger even though Smaugs story is completely irrelevant to the plot of the third movie. And the garbage love triangle between a character with no purpose in the story and another shoehorned into the story was a waste of everyone’s time.
I didn’t mind the 3 movies thing as much as other people seem to have.
I'm not sure a single movie would have worked that well, but as I understand it the original plan was for two movies, but when the first one was so successful someone decided that they needed to stretch the second movie into two more movies, and they feel like one movie stretched out over two.
Plus, turning all the dwarves into super-warriors doesn't make a lot of sense. I kept asking myself over and over what in ever living fuck they even needed Bilbo for when literally every dwarf was miles better than Bilbo at absolutely everything.
Just don't tell SJP who inspired Tolkien with the idea of dwarves.
“I’m not sure a single movie would have worked that well”
It would have if they had stuck to the original book, which was a charming children’s story, and not an edgy, goblin car-chase riddled attempt at redoing the Lord of the Rings.
Peter Jackson was perfect for LoTR which was a Wagnerian epic. He created a film masterpiece. He’d probably do stories from the Silmarillion justice too.
But the Hobbit had a very, very different tone and he was the wrong guy for it. Also, he listened too much to his wife, which is how we got an awkward as fuck, red-haired elf/dwarf pseudo-romance created.
I'd like to see him do some things from the Silmarillion. There are even some good romances in there that don't require extra fake characters and plotlines to be added. How about Beren and Luthien or the fall of Gondolin?
I think that the actual Silmarillion, the rights are not available. Though, that may have changed recently.
The trilogy was well into production before Jackson came on, so I don’t blame him. The tonal inconsistencies happen when you have two competing ideas. A lot of what he did might have worked. If you’re going for a whimsical, fun children’s story, the dwarves who are immune to physics (oh, Legolas also, who breaks physics) and are largely interchangeable characters can work. Or you can go for something that’s more grounded and thoughtful, where the focus is a bit more on some of the iconic scenes in the book, like the interactions Bilbo has with Gollum and Smaug, and the White Council stuff.
Mashing all of it breaks the tone. At times the dwarves do shit that should absolutely be fatal, and then you have dramatic scenes where some of them get killed, or when Smaug is going to go kill everyone in Dale. It’s deadly serious that Sauron might be coming back but we’re bouncing down the river in barrels in a comical menagerie. All the dwarves are silly and interchangeable, except one of them is the handsome, deep dwarf so the elf girl can have a romance.
They could have made one or two very tight films that maintained a consistent tone and left out the stupid shit that takes you out of the story, if you knew what your goal was. I think Jackson could have done either, but he wasn’t in charge of the project from the start.
Tolkien had some Numenorian notes, it would be nice if the TV show were inspired by these.
Of course, the story is basically [SPOILER ALERT] Atlantis Meets the Old Testament. Maybe they riffed on that?
Don’t make me watch the series to find out.
Don't bother. Watched season 1. Many of the names of the people and places were the same as in Tolkien's writings, but little else.
Leaving aside all the woke bs (though I can't fathom how the writers could think there'd be a black queen of Numenor) there was an incredible amount of stupid writing in it.
Just two examples.
Galadriel is sailing to Valinor (since when?) and at the last minute, just before the ship gets there, she changes her mind and jumps into the sea to swim back to Middle-Earth. WTF?
Mt. Doom erupts, creating a pyroclastic flow over the surrounding lands in which most of the people it sweeps over survive with but a few cuts and bruises and a maybe a mild cough from all the dust.
Children writing for children. And from what I just saw in this trailer for season 2, nothing has improved.
My preference is for the "moderator" to have his mike cut off while the candidates are speaking.
Better still would be to have the candidates actually address one issue per debate, with at least two citations for any "facts" spoken.
First debate, the economy.
Second debate, the borders.
RFK, Jr. has nothing to add to a presidential debate and anybody who says they want to listen to him say anything out loud is lying. mho
I want to listen to him debate because he has such a soothing voice.
>>whenever I hear someone say "they should have been one movie,"
you immediately correct their speaking so mistakes aren't made twice?
OT: The dude who shot Reason’s favorite member of antifa, Garrett Foster, in 2020 has been pardoned by Gov. Abbott for his actions.
Some justice at last.
Anybody bitching about the Mises Caucus needs to remember the prior leadership of the LP wrote fucking memorials for a fucking antifa member who threatened a dude with his rifle and was aerated for the trouble.
>>Some justice at last.
word.
Good news indeed.
Safe spaces?
Are we still doing that?
Yea, just say you hate Jews, will live in a tent, and won't eat for an hour.
A debate in June and then another in September? For a November election? What kind of crazy scheduling is that? I can see the exclusion of some of those October dates given early voting, but who wanted them debating in June? Is it just to see if Biden could be persuaded to drop out?
It really could be that - see how he does in June while there's still time before the August convention.
I misread the title of this article as "Biden and Trump Want a Presidential Debate in Space" and I suddenly got really excited about election 2024.
Giant Meteor is already there preparing.