L.A. Beats NYC?
Plus: Trump speaks at L.P. convention, Bill Ackman buys Zyn for the frat bros, Ukraine flagging, and more...

Who has better crazies? Last night, California law enforcement moved in to start clearing the pro-Palestine encampment of protesters at UCLA.
Not to be outdone by the New Yorkers over at Columbia, which had its own night of arrests just a day prior, the college students at UCLA sprayed cops with fire extinguishers and barricaded themselves with plywood. (They literally built a wall and instituted checkpoints, the irony of which does not seem to register.)
Counter-protesters tried to pull the plywood down. They shot fireworks into the encampment. They reportedly sprayed mace. Violence on both sides ensued:
Dueling groups of pro-Palestinian protesters and pro-Israel counterprotesters clashed Wednesday at UCLA, breaking out in fistfights, tearing down encampment barricades and using objects to beat one another. https://t.co/eLTOkdLARP pic.twitter.com/rlM40wLHDx
— CBS News (@CBSNews) May 2, 2024
So last night, the school sent law enforcement in to attempt to stop the violence and clear the tent city. Video emerged of police using stun grenades. A little before publication time, at least one California Highway Patrol (CHP) officer shot something toward the protesters in the encampment, which was met with shouts of "Don't shoot!" and "We're just students!" (The CHP said officers are loaded with nonlethal tools like flash-bang devices. The officers also held off for roughly six hours after issuing orders for protesters to disband; they have only just recently begun moving in and attempting arrests.)
"More than 1,300 protesters have been taken into custody on U.S. campuses over the past two weeks," reported The New York Times. "Arrests were made on Wednesday at the University of Texas at Dallas, Dartmouth College in New Hampshire and Tulane University in New Orleans, among other places."
The questions of what type of speech ought to be permitted are fairly thorny here. Restrictions on speech should, of course, be content-neutral. Public and private universities have different obligations. Protests surely run afoul of university policies when they disrupt university operations:
Campus operations will be limited tomorrow and Friday. Please continue to avoid campus and the Royce Quad area. Per Academic Senate guidance on instruction, all in-person classes are authorized and required to pivot to remote tomorrow and Friday. https://t.co/MNiqJ7bu67
— UCLA (@UCLA) May 2, 2024
And protests that devolve into vandalism and violence—as many have—ought to be treated differently than mere speech. One could make the case that encampments, housing peaceful protesters, are civil disobedience, but part of what makes civil disobedience work is being willing to stoically incur harsh consequences for your actions. Universities are well within their rights to clear tent cities from their campuses, but perhaps protesters who believe in their cause would be better served by simply taking the arrest and proving to the interested public that they are willing to sacrifice for this cause.
Absent that, the UCLA protesters—who have likened the waving of bananas near their encampment (since someone has an allergy) to Israeli settlers waving machine guns, and prevented students from attending class—deserve little respect.
Relevance allergies: Yesterday, the Libertarian Party (L.P.) announced a huge convention get: Former President Donald Trump will be speaking, and you can even buy merch in preparation for the big event (never mind the fact that the man already had four years during which he could have pardoned Julian Assange or Ross Ulbricht, yet chose not to). It says it also invited President Joe Biden and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to speak, but to my mind it's not exactly shocking that Biden ignored the invite.
The Libertarian Party is selling Trump-themed merch ahead of a speech by Donald Trump, the presumptive GOP nominee, at the Libertarian National Convention. https://t.co/S0zelJMszJ https://t.co/msMmma51o2 pic.twitter.com/vN9T0napjF
— Zach Weissmueller (@TheAbridgedZach) May 1, 2024
"I know there are some libertarians who have a severe allergy to relevance, but it is an undeniably great thing that Trump is speaking at the Libertarian Party National Convention," wrote comedian Dave Smith on X. "It will generate more attention on our party and the issues that we care about, than we've ever had."
Perhaps you're sitting there wondering why the L.P.—which, at this convention, will be nominating its own presidential candidate (contenders include Chase Oliver, Mike ter Maat, and Michael Rectenwald)—would want to host the former president and presumptive nominee for another party. To answer these questions, I called up L.P. Communications Director Brian McWilliams.
All publicity = good publicity? The media attention "is going to be more than we have ever experienced," says McWilliams. "Do you think libertarians will be happy about it?" I asked, to a firm yes from him: "This gives us an opportunity to get Donald Trump up there, to make him answer questions from our philosophical base." When I asked who would be moderating—who will be doing the pushing back, and making sure Trump doesn't turn this into a bloviating stump speech—he said he did not yet know, but possibly the L.P. chair, Angela McArdle.
"RFK [Jr.] was flirting with [the L.P.] because we are a growing bloc. Trump's seeing that," says McWilliams. "Growing bloc via what metric?" I asked. "I think we now are getting to a point where we're representing more Americans," he continued, to which I pressed: "Do we have data that reflects that?"
"We don't have data that reflects that as far as party registration or affiliation," responded McWilliams. "I'm basically speaking from the point of what we're seeing from a cultural perspective." Following the Reno Reset in 2022, at which point the Mises Caucus—essentially, mostly anarcho-capitalist edgelords who spend a lot of time online—took over the party, libertarians have widely criticized the nouveau L.P. for its dropping membership and struggles with fundraising.
As for the merch, McWilliams says "it was basically an internal miscommunication as far as timing…some version of merch might be made available, I can't say if it's going to be that exact variety." And, there's still "a question of whether or not we want to be selling merch for Donald Trump that's affiliated with the Libertarian Party or not."
"This was something that somebody clearly spent time and resources on," I noted, to which he admitted that "without a doubt there was internal thought given to creating the merchandise, you know, that there's no denying that….[But] this was not something that I wanted to go out the same exact day the same exact time." All of this struck me as wishy-washy, like they were caught in something that looked bad, and want to save face.
Awfully close? McArdle released a meandering 17-minute video chalking up a lot of the rollout awkwardness to internal incompetence.
"The founders of this party were hardcore radicals. They were anarchists. They hated the government. Many of our members are anarchists; we want total abolition of the federal government. And when we see someone else [Donald Trump] get potentially kicked off the ballot for, you know, not agreeing with the election results, complaining about the federal government, and so on and so forth, that looks awfully close to some of the views we have about the legitimacy of the federal government."
Well then! So maybe this isn't an L.P. endorsement of Trump, but boy could you be forgiven for thinking they fancy him and are willing to excuse some of his more election-subverting actions.
Scenes from New York: It's now confirmed, both by Columbia's president and by Mayor Eric Adams, that "individuals not affiliated with the university" were the ones leading the Hamilton Hall break-in and barricade that got shut down by NYPD yesterday. "Approximately 300 people were arrested," and they do not know the breakdown yet of outside agitators vs. students.
QUICK HITS
- Bill Ackman, a major Harvard donor who was one of the top voices calling for former President Claudine Gay to step down following her insufficient handling of antisemitism on campus, has seemingly decided to take his dollars elsewhere:
William. pic.twitter.com/tdkHbzSIfK
— Katie Herzog (@kittypurrzog) May 1, 2024
- "NO bagels" needed at the UCLA pro-Palestine encampment. (Too Jewish-coded? Are they coming for lox next? SMH, I knew I didn't like these kids.)
- "Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell kept hopes alive for an interest-rate cut this year while acknowledging that a burst of inflation has reduced policymakers' confidence that price pressures are ebbing," reported Bloomberg. Jerome, you big tease!
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- "Lack of ammunition is forcing the outnumbered Ukrainian soldiers to pull back, one village after another, including three surrendered Sunday, as intense fighting roils the countryside surrounding Avdiivka nearly three months after the strategic city fell to Russia," reported the Associated Press. "Facing an outcry after Avdiivka's fall, Ukraine is rushing to build concrete-fortified trenches, foxholes, firing positions and other barricades on the front lines. But relentless Russian shelling, lack of equipment and crippling bureaucracy plague construction across the vast 1,000-kilometer (600-mile) front, even as a new Russian offensive looms."
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...California law enforcement moved in to start clearing the pro-Palestine encampment of protesters at UCLA.
AND THEN PROBABLY MOVING JEWS IN.
There goes the neighborhood!
See!!! Genocidal Zionists!!!
- Misek
If elite universities lose enough donors, it won't be Jews, but deer, bears, and trees moving in, much as happened with Detroit.
Bears? Not really any bears yet. Unless they're hiding in trunks.
AND THEN PROBABLY MOVING JEWS IN.
I think you mean: That's when the whores come in... Men laying their trick-money down. Twenty dollars to pay the rent? Maybe not. Maybe instead I'll spend it on the whore.
For Christ's sake. Once during the war I visited a prostitute, and my life has been a living hell ever since.
Pretty sure it's because you ignored the platoon sergeant when he told you not to marry her.
Hey! Gentrification is just code for making the place better than you found it. Every good camper does that but the Pro-Hamas crowd didn't.
Oh, so you support the Zionists stealing land from Palestinians? How libertarian of you.
— Gov’na shrike
Since Afroman's Hunter Got High has been out for a week, I assume it's been posted numerous times already. But in case I'm not the only one living under a rock...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgLD1yhxNik
(It's ultimately about rules not applying to the wealthy, I think.)
The "right kind" of wealthy, that is...
I think that the Hunterness is a solid contributing factor in declining minority support. He has done shit that put a lot of minorities in prison for decades with absolutely zero consequence.
Fox News was mean to him so he is suing.
Also Biden championed the bill that did that
Yep.
Yeah, but Trump donated to Democrats in the 90’s so he’s the same.
— Mr. Miss Tick
Biden vote buying to reach upwards of 1.4T.
The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget released an estimate earlier this week that the combined total cost of Biden’s multifaceted student loans programs will cost between $870 billion and $1.4 trillion.
.
“That’s more than all federal spending on higher education over the nation’s entire history,” the think tank wrote in its analysis. “The vast majority of this debt cancellation was put in place through executive actions under President Biden.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2985796/biden-cancels-student-loans-art-students/
Fortified elections aren’t cheap.
(D)emocracy? Priceless!
Turns out compound interest is a bitch.
Jerome Powell has had it with the 1970s talk, saying he doesn’t see the ‘stag’ or the ‘-flation’ investors are worried about
...
“I was around for stagflation. And it was 10% unemployment, it was high-single-digits inflation … and very slow growth. Right now, we have 3% growth … and we have inflation running under 3%. So I don’t really understand where that’s coming from,” he told reporters, adding, “I don’t see the stag or the -flation, actually.”
https://fortune.com/2024/05/01/jerome-powell-stagflation-1970s-inflation-economic-growth-interest-rates/
HNIC J-Pow had to set the record skraight.
Under 3% my ass.
You know who else has an ass inflated by more than 3%?
J Lo?
Jeffy?
Trina? (woop! woop!)
Lizzo?
He said 3% not 300%
Kim Kardashian?
Kitty Malone?
Chanel West Coast? (If you haven’t checked it out, I highly recommend)
My wife? Menopause is a bitch.
Well, if you don’t count the number of folks no longer looking for jobs as unemployed, you can get the figures way down.
It was 3.5% in March retard.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/10/cpi-inflation-march-2024-consumer-prices-rose-3point5percent-from-a-year-ago-in-march.html
Nothing stagflation about 2% growth while running 7% deficits.
Yes, but Plugg was trying to distract from this: Dow closes 570 points lower, capping losing month for stocks ahead of Fed decision
I like how they are making a push to exclude food and energy because they are "volatile" (i.e. inflating like crazy and throwing off the narrative).
The index has been getting fucked with ever since Reagan. If we went off of the Carter-era metrics, we'd be looking at about 15-18% inflation.
It’s almost like the people in charge are full of shit.
What? You don't believe in "hedonic adjustments"?
It's one of the few things I DO believe in, actually. In theory.
Big problem with our numbers on food price inflation is that they consider meat, meat. Beef is beef, so if I was buying a ribeye for $4, but now I am buying a london broil for $4.40, they still call that 10% inflation, regardless of the fact that the same ribeye is $8 and I didn't buy it because I couldn't afford it.
So people who were buying brand name foods but bailed to the cheaper generics, or buying better beef or bacon but have gone to cheap cuts, skew the numbers down.
Hedonic adjustments to the CPI are, theoretically, a way of mitigating this.
I don't believe they're well used. But, like I said, "In theory."
For certain technical purposes, that can actually be a better measure. If you want to capture medium-term trends, it can be useful to filter out things that go up one month and then back down the next.
The thing is, trying to use it as a measure of people's well-being is just insane. For a large part of the population, food and energy are a significant portion of total outlays. Changes in their prices can have real and painful consequences.
Very well stated.
I have said this before. Housing, food, and energy are literally the only things I cannot get away from.
Around here, housing is up 40% in the last 5-7 years, electricity has nearly doubled, gas is up. My food is 30-40% more, but would be at least 75% more if I bought the same things at the grocery store and ate out as often as pre-pandemic. It hurts, and affects lifestyles and financial decision making significantly.
To Powell’s point, although inflation came in ahead of Wall Street’s targets in each of the first three months of this year, the Fed’s favorite inflation gauge has remained below 3% the whole time. The core personal consumption expenditures (PCE) price index rose 2.8% from a year ago in March.
STFU, Jesse. J-Pow has got this.
Fuck off lying pedo.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
I'm pretty sure my food went up 33% in a year, my energy costs have increased by 25% and gasoline is somewhere in that range. I guess offsetting it by items that are bought once or rarely ever in that time from for individual household (boat, car) can help create the picture they want without telling the truth they should.
I literally posted the actual number retard. My God you’ll gaslight about everything.
Or is CNBC now rightwing.com?
The core personal consumption expenditures (PCE) price index rose 2.8% from a year ago in March.
Are you stupid or blind?
Lol. Picking and choosing huh? Fucking hilarious. Gaslighting it is.
More lies.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Hey turd!
"Donald Trump just added another $1.8 billion to his Truth Social fortune—on paper"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/donald-trump-just-added-another-1-8-billion-to-his-truth-social-fortune-on-paper/ar-AA1nZsaO?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Since it is MSN, they had to attempt to down-play it with that slimy "on paper", as if investors always drew out the gain as quickly as possible.
You forgot to tag this:
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
They literally built a wall and instituted checkpoints, the irony of which does not seem to register.
You know who else put up walls and instituted checkpoints?
Charlie?
Disney?
Every restaurant during covid?
China?
Airports?
This is hilarious. Who are the occupiers now?
Belfast?
Not Jihad Joe, that's for sure.
Communists?
(So it's actually rather fitting that these protestors would do that. It must be in their blood.)
The strip club?
Funny thing, you need to be 18 or 21 to get in there, but not for Drag Queen Story Hour.
Emperor Hadrian? He's a regular on "Miracle Nutrition", always building walls. Once he tried to build a wall across time, which would've had severe consequences. https://wfmu.org/playlists/HA
Heaven?
Nah, they just paved that and put up a parking lot.
With a big yellow taxi?
Hadrian?
Damn someone already went ancient Rome, should have finished reading the thread.
Did anyone say Troy yet?
Maginot?
Video catches the presence of "professional protest organizers" on campus. This isn't organic. This is intentional. And we know who is funding it.
https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/nypd-video-shows-professional-protest-consultant-columbia
Don't you want grievance study grads to work for a living?
As ditch diggers.
Judge Smalls, is that you?
How ‘bout a Fresca?
You'll get nothing and like it.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber.
Finally Unity. As both Palestine protestors and counter protestors shout Fuck Joe Biden.
https://twitter.com/MavenNavarro1/status/1785785576571994299
Something we can all agree on.
#Fuck Joe Biden
Fuck Joe Biden!
The man received more votes than anyone in history. I'm sure the video is a deep fake or they are just yelling Let's Go Brandon.
they are just yelling Let’s Go Brandon.
Not me. I was yelling "Boo-urns".
The Libertarian Party is selling Trump-themed merch ahead of a speech by Donald Trump...
Market win!
I mean, is there anything more free market than capitalizing on someone coming to give a speech at your meeting?
Still no cure for TDS.
It’s just sad at this point.
Vasy array of documents being released showing coordination between NARA, WH, and thr DoJ to generate a crime for Trump. This comes a week after it came out GSA is the one who shipped 24 boxes and demanded Trump recieve them. The boxes contained the classified documents the DoJ pictured. Ironically it would be GSA guilty under the espionage act for shipping classified documents, not Trump for receiving them.
https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/records-show-archives-official-met-biden-wh-counsel-day-indictment
If trump had only cooperated, he would'nt'a got in trouble.
-sarc
It looks like a setup for entrapment.
So the whole thing turned out to be a plot to steal Trump's legitimate copies of the Crossfire Hurricane documents, and cook up something to charge him with in order to subvert the next election.
When the Nuremberg trials come to DC they're going to need to use RFK Stadium.
"Your guilt has been determined, this is merely a sentencing hearing."
Is that you Judge Egoran?
They are tearing RFK down so it’ll have to be held at Nationals park. I don’t know why you’re so anxious to hold them. Nardz and all your buddies will be the ones on trial ya know?
For what?
Making mean tweets on Twitter? Not being respectful towards the CIA and FBI? Thinking it's bad to chop off little boys balls because mom wants a status symbol?
Insurrection. Nardz, Fudd, and many others on here constantly talk about starting a civil war.
The majority of Americans are sick of the problems you nut jobs keep causing.
You're outrage at bombastic speech is noted. Also noted is that you seem to be a hypocrite, as the KAR in your screen name is for "Kill All Rednecks."
My name is in jest, but I have made comments that weren’t ok in the past and I regret those.
Awaiting comment from our resident useful idiots.
The site is partisan and opinion! Ignore the Dig In tab with all the document links. - Jeff
Don’t hold your breath, they will avoid like it was Covid.
“Bi partisan inter departmental cooperation!
Free Palestine sets up their own security guards on UCLA campus, denies students access unless they support the protest.
===
Sia Kordestani
@SiaKordestani
An official on
@UCLA
campus sent me these photos/videos and told me the university is USING TAXPAYER MONEY TO VIOLATE LAWS.
Official security is maintaining a perimeter around the anti-Israel encampment. While they're keeping some students out, they're allowing others in and out.
See all the videos and photos in this thread.
In these three photos - you see one student blocked from entering Royce Quad, then later students wearing keffiyehs are allowed to use Janss Steps. These are official security - not encampment members.
Sia Kordestani
@SiaKordestani
·
Apr 30
Wristbands are being used to identify anti-Israel students at
@UCLA
so that they are allowed to enter Royce Quad, Royce Hall, and Powell Library.
Some students are allowed in and out, others are kept out. This is ILLEGAL and UCLA is not just tolerating it but facilitating it.
VIDEO.
https://twitter.com/SiaKordestani/status/1785397160701538768
Apartheid!
-mtrueman
Yeah, only this time, it's Apartheid by the Pro-Hamas crowd and their university enablers.
Which makes it (D)ifferent.
The people who set up the actual Apartheid system in South Africa had openly supported the Nazis during WW2. Smuts should have had them hanged for treason and he would have saved ZA four decades of totalitarianism. And the Black majority regime that would come to power eventually would likely have been less corrupt than what is ruling there now.
The hilarious part of this rant is that South Africa hates Israel because it was one of the few countries that traded weapons with it during apartheid. SA basically got their nukes from them.
Papers, please.
Jeff should be along shortly to decry the notion that it has come down to "papers please".
You know who else asked for allegiance upon admittance?
The Boy Scouts?
Elementary schools back in the day?
The No Homers Club? (they're allowed to have one)
Fraternities?
Sports teams?
Jesus?
I thought I read once that there was a 3 “you know who else” limit per thread?
Not sure who’s on the rules committee around here, but it’s getting to be comment anarchy lately.
You know who else is trying to start anarchy?
The Sex Pistols?
You?
That "brawl" was one of the faggiest looking things I've ever seen. At least with the Proud Boy/Antifa fights, you saw real haymakers thrown, people get knocked out, and stabbings.
Fight for my amusement, lefties!
Limp wristed slapping?
Majority of the protestors seem to be AWFLs, so of course they can't actually fight.
The funniest part was watching both sides play tug-of-war with the plywood boards. I guess that's what happens when you spend most of your time studying soft subjects instead of physics or going to the gym and getting swole.
I still don't get the umbrella wall shit.
Hong Kong students vs China.
Wouldn't an understanding of physics help in the tug of war?
Gender studies on the other hand...
"Swole" doesn't help you if you can't move with agility, as most of those who aspire to be "swole" cannot.
A simple hammer-fist pop to the groin, a chop to the thorax, a kick in the shin, or a Three Stooges two fingers in the eye from the tiniest old biddy would send any of those meatballs writhing in screaming pain.
And, of course, with Samuel Colt's "Great Equalizer", the question of these big blowhards getting less than two-arm's length would not even arise.
Stick to your comics and your Charles Atlas ads.
“Swole” doesn’t help you if you can’t move with agility, as most of those who aspire to be “swole” cannot.
Speaking of physics, Force = Mass*Acceleration. Doesn’t matter how quick you are if some heavy-handed dude who outweighs you by 30-50 pounds of muscle manages to get their hands on you. All the karate-chopping in the world isn’t going to do shit against a large man with adrenaline pumping through his veins.
“Roadhouse” is a action drama, not a how-to guide.
Until The Singularity arrives, there isn't a muscle man alive that doesn't need vision and breath and there isn't one with steel-plated gonads either.
And that isn't Roadhouse. That is real-life Shaolin Kung Fu, Brazillian style martial arts, and Israeli Krav Maga...not to mention that all of this is just to tide you over until you can get to your .45 and Mossberg.
Yes, and that 120 pound girl boss can take down 25 guys without breaking a sweat, too.
She wouldn't have to. Find and take the one perceived as the leader of the hoard, and the the brainless, gutless drones scatter. Also, if you can narrow them down to a single path, you could pick them off one by one.
Years ago, there was a video of a cabbie in Turkiye who did it in the streets with a mob that was stupid enough to line up for him. Quite satisfying to watch!
🙂
😉
That is real-life Shaolin Kung Fu, Brazillian style martial arts, and Israeli Krav Maga…
hAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You said that with a straight face.
Lol. That’s what all the frail soy boys tell themselves, encog.
They don’t really believe it, though.
It's standard instruction of Law Enforcement in "Avoid, Deny, and Defend" as well as security consultants everywhere. Post 9/11, no one fights fair anymore:
https://youtu.be/j0It68YxLQQ?si=Fw4C5HDWAbMUaPRu
Hell, a lot of "Swole" boys deprive themselves of their own breath and gonads with all their "'roid raging," so a lot of times, they do the weaker target's work for them.
Put it like this: Would you bet your left nut on what you're saying? And bear in mind your trademark slogan when you do...
🙂
😉
Again, you're assuming everyone there is a Leftie.
Any good Libertarian would want to take crowbars, machetes, axes, and battering rams to these Hamas-Villes and the thugs running them. I'm just sadly surprised no one took guns on the campuses to stop these Hitler Youths with Pizza Hut tablecloths!
By the bye, no "swole"-ness is required for any of these implements of human ingenuity.
It's a college campus, it's a pretty good assumption.
It reminded me of a cartoon.
Also…
“the college students at UCLA sprayed cops with fire extinguishers”
Anything connected with fire extinguishers is insurrection, obviously
'Not to be outdone by the New Yorkers over at Columbia, which had its own night of arrests just a day prior, the college students at UCLA sprayed cops with fire extinguishers and barricaded themselves with plywood.'
Plywood? Now we know they have billionaire support.
“I know there are some libertarians who have a severe allergy to relevance, but it is an undeniably great thing that Trump is speaking at the Libertarian Party National Convention,” wrote comedian Dave Smith on X. “It will generate more attention on our party and the issues that we care about, than we’ve ever had.”
Can’t wait for all the Reason editors except Liz to set up tents in protest at the offices.
I like Dave's work and listen to every Part of the Problem except the "live in..." shows (his comedy is not for me.) He has a consistency problem.
Before the Mises takeover he complained about the former LP going for known candidates instead of purists as evident by their past nominees: fair enough.
But since the Mises takeover he admits to seriously considering endorsing RFK for the nomination and celebrates Trump at the LPNC for the attention?
I'll take it back if they make Trump answer some tough questions, but I'm not expecting that.
But since the Mises takeover he admits to seriously considering endorsing RFK for the nomination and celebrates Trump at the LPNC for the attention?
Good for him, both those men have far more libertarian impulses than Bill Weld, "Bake the Cake" Johnson and Jo Jorgensen ever did.
Also the LPNC invited Biden as well, but his camp never responded.
Well Joe responded directly saing
"I would love to Easter trans icecram canibles hcodkncjxep"
The lp didn't know what this ment
Neither did droolin' Joe.
Also the LPNC invited Biden as well
That doesn't make it better, but I'm specifically referring to his new preference for attention over purity. I think Trump speaking at the LPNC is a good thing overall.
As I said, if they ever worried about purity Weld, Johnson and Jorgensen never would have been candidates, and none of the Reason writers would have jobs here.
No arguments on that. Clearly the old LP was not about libertarian puritanism. But, I'm not criticizing the LP (oh boy, I could though). I'm criticizing Dave who went on and on that the LP should be pure libertarian, not go for candidates with name recognition.
Having a guest at the convention that will bring attention =/= endorsing that guest as a candidate.
The RFK Jr thing was odd though, I agree. He was getting some love for his positions on Ukraine and vax mandates, but his positions on 2A and climate change are incompatible.
Having a guest at the convention that will bring attention =/= endorsing that guest as a candidate.
True. I mostly used it as a step to get on my soap box.
Or as I know them, Bill "gun grabber" Weld, Gary "I agree with 73% of everything Bernie Sanders says" Johnson, and Jo "we must be actively anti-racist" Jorgensen.
He has actually said RFK is right on only one aspect, Covid and regulations for Healthcare. He has attacked RFK a lot in other areas.
Having Trump on to talk about censorship and abuses of the DoJ is a good thing. It is why he also talked to RFK about the one libertarian policy. Dave does a good job of saying where he agrees and where he disagrees.
He has actually said RFK is right on only one aspect, Covid and regulations for Healthcare. He has attacked RFK a lot in other areas.
Yes he did, but still said he seriously considered endorsing him for LP candidate, thus his inconsistency about libertarian purity.
I can't remember him saying that outside of a joke. He has been putting forth Rectenwald for a year.
He did say there was internal discussions about it, but after he kowtowed to Israel those discussions ended.
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Meh.
Inviting someone to speak is not the same thing as making them your nominee.
OK, focus on the RFK part.
I couldn't see either as the LP candidate but as a speaker essentially delivering campaign promises specifically to Libertarian sensibilities I don't find too objectionable in principle. I don't see how intentionally sidelining yourself and your perspective helps your cause.
It would be super if the Mises Caucus actually asked questions of Trump that reflected actual knowledge of Von Mises' worldview. Can you imagine Trump's answer to his thoughts on Mises' Praxeology?
"I remember Mises from watching Hanna-Barbara Cartoons. He was this little vermin with a vermin friend who would get chased by this Crazy Guggenheim-sounding cat who would say:'I'm gonna get you, MisesI' A million laughs!"
"Anywho, I am a bigly yuge supporter of Praxeology! As Marla Maples, Ivanka, Stormy Daniels, and a whole stable of other women can attest, I keep on praxin' and praxin' and praxin' and praxin' because as they say, praxin' makes perfect! And it's so easy! When you're a superstar, they just let you!"
"Once, I was praxin' in a gangbang with Two Corinthians and I was so good, the Two Corinthians let me lead and one took Sloppy Seconds and the other took Tasty Thirds! "
"An old friend, Ricardo Montalban, one of the very good Mexicans, told me that the Corinthians made very fine and rich leather and were great in the back seats of Cordoba cars! An odd fetish, I know, but those people are wonderful at it! "
"And I want Americans to be the same way! Keep on praxin' and Make America Great and into Rich, Fine Corinthian Leather Again!"
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Liz has been highly critical of the Mises Caucus.
Everyone is acting as though Liz is this great, principled libertarian, but I don't see it. Is she far better than ENB in doing the Roundup? Absolutely. But that's compared to what I see as pseudo-libertarians like ENB, Sullum, Boehm, etc.
One can have criticisms of both the Wokeism of the previous LP hacks and of the Dave Smith crowd simultaneously. I myself wish there was a Hospers Caucus to get the LP to a more thoughtful, evidence-based, rational defense of Libertarianism just like John Hospers presented decades ago.
'Counter-protesters tried to pull the plywood down. They shot fireworks into the encampment.'
Cool. If building shanty towns in public spaces is speech, they tearing them down is also speech, right?
I say let them make smoke signals to the student body so they know when campus reopens.
That’s cultural appropriation, you white supremacist.
It's not like the protester own those shantytowns.
Image popped into my head of a swarm of homeless people taking over the tents--squatting in them, as it were--while the protesters were out protesting.
So maybe this isn't an L.P. endorsement of Trump, but boy could you be forgiven for thinking they fancy him and are willing to excuse
some of his more election-subverting actions.his spending record specifically the Cares Act and his abdication of executive authority to Fauci and his fellow hustlers.Ftfy. Don't care about election nonsense. If the LP doesn't press him on Covid, then shame on them.
"and his abdication of executive authority to Fauci and his fellow hustlers."
This is going to haunt Trump as long as he keeps denying it. As someone said here yesterday, he needs to lean in on it. Tell everyone how they tricked him and how they screwed over the nation. It doesn't make him look any better, but it would refocus a lot of the anger.
No, he needs to unequivocally take responsibility for himself and his actions. Blaming others for his own failures, I'll pass. Be an adult, take the hit and realize you opponent can't use it against you really since he wanted to force the jab on everyone and matched Trumps reckless spending and prolonged the lockdowns further.
What do you think Trump would be likely to do as an alternative to denial? My way or yours?
Trump would go your route more likely. But if he did, I'd think less of him for it; whether others like myself who want to hold him accountable would except it, I don't know.
As of right now no matter how much I am against Biden, I'll never vote Trump based on Covid alone. Of course I live in a state that is winner take all and all electoral votes will go to Biden, so I've the luxury of factoring in my principles more in my wasted vote.
Nothing in his public persona over the last 40 years lends itself to him taking responsibility for that fuck up.
I don’t think his ego will allow him, unfortunately.
Buy yeah, he could tie it all into the spying on him, the lies about Syria, the lawfare, and the attempted coup against him.
The LP won't press him on covid--at the time, the LP was controlled by the leftists who are still trying to destroy it and were as maskey as their commie buddies.
Biden continues to demonstrate why Koch-funded libertarians voted for him.
Biden calls US ally Japan ‘xenophobic’ along with Russia and China
“You know, one of the reasons why our economy is growing is because of you and many others. Why? Because we welcome immigrants,” Biden said, according to reporters traveling with the president at a fundraiser with Asian American and Pacific Islander supporters. “The reason – look, think about it. Why is China stalling so bad economically? Why is Japan having trouble? Why is Russia?” “Because they’re xenophobic,” he said. “They don’t want immigrants. Immigrants are what makes us strong.”
#CheapLaborAboveAll
Of course we know the typical American voter isn't thrilled with #Bidenomics. Poll after poll shows this.
So who's benefiting from our current loose border policies? Well, American billionaires are certainly getting richer under President Biden. And isn't that the most important thing?
#OBLsFirstLaw
Ahh. So that's why sarc was screaming xenophobia yesterday.
If it's on CNN at 7:30, Sarcasmic is using it here by 8:00.
That will be a cool trick considering I don’t have cable and haven't watched CNN since the last time I was in a hospital waiting room.
Plus, he can’t possibly drag his hungover ass out of his cardboard box that early in the morning.
So you just have a bookmark to CNN. Cool brag bro.
Can you make bookmarks on the public library computers?
Hard drive ran out of storage with all the bookmarks to porn videos.
Hopefully he doesn’t share that hard drive with Pluggo.
Is Jesse threatening to bookmark my post?
WTF is wrong with you?
Nope. Making fun of your ignorance.
Commenting on ignored posts is hilarious though.
Honk honk.
Are you forgetting the TV in the bar?
So whoever is giving you your talking points is watching cnn.
Why is Japan having trouble?
Pretty sure that Japan is having a fuck of a lot less trouble than Josef Biden's USSA right now.
Japan is just a terrible place, what with all the clean streets, almost no crime, and great food.
Do they still have those vending machines that sell girls' used panties?
Didn’t see one, but they do sell lots of stuff in vending machines.
None of the machines were vandalized.
And here's the thing--the minute Japan and South Korea start accepting mass immigration, their culture is fucking done. The Sorosites want that because they see strong, family-centered, "bourgeois capitalist" societies as a threat to their globalist fantasias.
They're going to have to at some point. There aren't enough working-age natives to pay for all the retirees.
That's more of a problem with liberal social service programs, not demographics.
Imagine this... Japan solicits immigration of useful professionals from culturally similar countries who are willing to assimilate, and come at rate that doesn't collapse social services.
I know you think the choices have to be either No Borders or the Iron Curtain, but imagine a third way.
I’m trying to imagine you arguing against what I actually said instead of some strawman false dichotomy, and failing. I want to gag when you fellate fallacies. Yet you go all deep throat.
Victim signal lit. Why not call everyone who has an intelligent view xenophobic again?
You were responding to RRWP comment about “mass immigration” you glorious retard.
Once again, Sarcasmic forgets what he wrote just a few posts up.
Spectacular.
Getting Japan and South Korea to accept mass foreign immigration has been a Holy Grail for the globalists for a while now. They haven't been able to jawbone it so far, because these are small countries with extremely competitive job markets for their population levels. Adding "diversity" to the mix is going to make that issue worse, not better.
There's some foreign workers in the service class, but nowhere near at the levels that the Sorosites want to see it.
Why is China stalling so bad economically? Why is Japan having trouble?
China isn't xenophobic. They will take all the immigrants they can get lmao, but not many come because it's communist China. The reason both of those economies are struggling is because of massive, truly unhinged, and irresponsible levels of public debt.
Russia is "having troubles" for one extremely obvious reason: It's sending all of its productive workers to die in Ukraine.
China has 1.5B people. I'm not seeing how adding to the population is going to see an economic boom.
You need to stop taking this senile idiot's declarations at face value. Russia in particular is not struggling from any realistic standpoint, and any actual "struggles" in those three countries certainly isn't because they aren't "diverse" enough. In fact, their ethno-nationalism is part of what's kept them afloat.
What election subverting would that be, Liz? Complaining? Going to court?
Making Hillary look bad.
Is it Her Turn again?
The pro-Palestine rioters are not going to vote for her. Nor will they vote for Genocide Joe.
The beauty of this is the dems are losing the youth vote.
The establishment dems are pro-Israel. They know Israel is important to our anti-terror operations in the M.E. That's why Biden is trying to walk the fence between the establishment and the youth. It's not working.
The more these riots happen at schools, the more Biden stands to lose. And the dems have backed themselves into a no win situation. Do nothing and the riots will continue like 2020. Biden will lose. End the riots and they you see you as behaving like the republicans.
Buy more popcorn.
"Oh boy! Is this grrreat?!?"
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True libertarians would never question the government. Did you even take an online test bro?
Whatever KMW and Charles Koch say it was.
Member when Republican officials and Trump judges waived election law unilaterally in the run up to Election Day? Or when Red counties expelled poll watchers because of plumbing excuses then resumed counting mystery boxes full of ballots? Or when Red states mailed blank ballots to everyone on the rolls without verifying if they still lived there, or still lived? Or when election workers in red counties were on video “curing” some ballots by hand and throwing others away? Or when postal employees threw away ballots from blue strongholds? Or when all the 3AM mystery ballot dumps came in with just enough votes to counter Biden winning every single swing county? Or when Truth Social, LinkedIn, and Duck Duck Go spent millions “fortifying” the election as get out the vote option rural areas, and count the sketchy votes ops, all while suppressing anti-Trump news? And then bragged about their secret cabal after?
Yes those things are clearly election subversion. But according to Reason libertarians the following are clearly not,
Attempting to exclude your political opponent from the ballot.
Shipping classified documents to your political opponent and then charging him with possession of classified documents.
Convicting your political opponent of overestimating the value of his assets prior to trial and imposing a half billion dollar judgement.
Magically transforming misdemeanor charges that are past the statute of limitations into felonies and threatening to jail your political opponent for purported violations of an unconstitutional gag order.
Temporarily suspending statutes of limitation so a woman, without evidence, can win a multi million dollar judgement against your political opponent.
An appellate court ruling that the existence of an indictment of your political opponent is proof that he has no immunity.
This is of course only a partial list of things that Reason libertarians do not see as election subversion and in many cases they are celebrated on these pages. The Libertarian Party disagrees but as we all know they are racist Ron Paul libertarians.
Everything you ever wanted to know about regional skating cultures and the Atlanta scene.
That link better go to a blank page.
I expect it's like Forest Gump married Bubba and opened the Bubba Gump Rollerskating Company. We got rollerskatin', tassled rollerskatin', sequined rollerskatin', disco rollerskatin', rollerskatin' backwards, neon rollerskatin', gay rollerskatin', western rollerskatin', gay western tassle disco rollerskatin'...
"at least one California Highway Patrol (CHP) officer shot something toward the protesters in the encampment"
Long live Ponch.
It was a banana. He shot a banana. War crimes.
Goddamn Nanner Bandit
Mr. Bananagrabber.
He shot his wad.
Many of our members are anarchists; we want total abolition of the federal government.
"I refuse to join any club that would exist."
"Approximately 300 people were arrested," and they do not know the breakdown yet of outside agitators vs. students.
"...and let God sort 'em out" NYPD bumper stickers.
Yeah, but why did the NYPD dress up like the Patriot Front before storming Hamilton Hall?
but part of what makes civil disobedience work is being willing to stoically incur harsh consequences for your actions.
The word you want there isn't "actions", it's crimes. Trespassing and assault, for example. And "We're just students" is possibly the stupidest, most impotent quote I have seen from one of these box socials, and that's saying something.
They should have claimed to be journalists.
They really don't get the whole civil disobedience thing. The whole point is to let yourself get arrested.
Usually in protest of an unjust law, to make someone enforce it and then draw attention to it by the mass enforcement. It’s quite effective when you’re taking a stand on an issue that has a clear and straightforward remedy.
Much less clear is asking people to divest because there’s third-and-fourth-hand connections to Israel, since the university almost by necessity does business with Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, and Google.
And protesting the institution that you are paying large amounts of money to attend is just beyond silly. If they are supporting evil things, shouldn't you stop giving them money? Campus activism is the most retarded activism. And that's saying a lot.
I bet all of them in NY voted for Schumer, as well. Last I heard, he still claims to be Jewish.
Mostly they don't get the civil part.
You don't get the whole 21st century cosplay life thing. "Arrest" means a 10 minute time out, and then release to have snack.
But how could I obtain said snack, in Manhattan of all places, unless it was hand delivered to me by the very people I'm protesting against?
The Joos control the snacks now too?
True, tougher problem on the UWS, but not as far uptown as Morningside Heights.
The "crimes" don't matter unless directed at the ruling class.
Bill Ackman, a major Harvard donor who was one of the top voices calling for former President Claudine Gay to step down following her insufficient handling of antisemitism on campus, has seemingly decided to take his dollars elsewhere...
One helluva kegger.
I have never understood rich people blindly throwing money at colleges. If there's a cause they want to support at the institution, it makes sense, but how much money have all these rich bastards thrown into the marxist training camps and now act surprised that it was happening?
I have never understood rich people blindly throwing money at colleges
I suspect there's a money laundering angle to it, much like modern art.
Universities spend more effort getting their graduates to send them money than they do teaching students. Days at University are often fond memories for people, their first "time out on their own" and the university administration has a lot of experience at turning nostalgia into cold hard cash.
They get their name on a building. And a lot of donations are for specific things like facilities or research programs and not really "blindly throwing money". I'm sure some wanted to fund the marxist training camp too.
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I work at a University and I can tell you with absolute certainty that the vast majority of donor money goes to Athletics, the Business School, the Law School, the Public Policy School, and the hard sciences. The Grievance Studies programs are lucky to be able to afford copy paper.
'The questions of what type of speech ought to be permitted are fairly thorny here.'
Not really, at least for non-snowflakes and nanny types.
Saying stupid, hateful things? Fine. (And expect legal consequences.)
"Occupying" public or private spaces and preventing others from lawful access and activities? Nope.
Once again, it wouldn't be the least bit thorny if we cleared out the Department of Education and Student Loan funded undergrowth.
^ Exactly this.
Say whatever you want. Wave whatever flags and signs you like.
But you dont get to commit vandalism, arson, impeding the road i paid for, and blocking access to the class i paid for. sorry.
Saying stupid, hateful things? Fine. (And expect legal consequences.)
“Occupying” public or private spaces and preventing others from lawful access and activities? Nope.
In fact, arguably, only one of these two things counts as speech.
"NO bagels" needed at the UCLA pro-Palestine encampment.
Oy vey.
Send in the peanut butter and banana sandwiches!
/elvis
Peanuts? Bananas? Don't you know those are life-threatening toxins?
*Rubs hands together * oh, really?
Gee, it would be a shame if half the protestors started to fall into anaphalactic shock...
Think of how many Jews in the Medical profession would have to fix them up. I'm sure no accidents would leave the kids in the ICU for a few weeks.
Uh-uh-HUH! And let The Big-E do a Karate chop on a replica of the Kaaba just to piss the Islamofascists off!
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Hey! He's the one the homeless people pushing shopping carts are really talking to anyway, not Allah!
https://youtu.be/ZaD5mAC3P2s?si=a5-NMqSwogZYJEji
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"NO bagels" ... all bialys.
Is "No bagel, all bialy" some kind of UES idiom?
There's some kind of taboon joke laying around here, somewhere.
Taboon or not taboon…
Yeah I got nothing.
Isn't enjoying ethnic food cultural appropriation and therefore double plus ungood?
They should all wear Jewish costumes while eating bagels with lox.
That'd genocide back them real good!
the college students at UCLA sprayed cops with fire extinguishers
Can't believe I'm the first that has to scream this:
INNNNNNNNSSSUUUUURRRRRECTION!
Deadly fire extinguisher attack!
Ban assault fire extinguishers!
They weren't assault fire extinguishers. Stop trying to equate the two damnit.
No thing that goes up?
I'll grant you it didn't have a little shoulder thingy, but it was still red and, therefore, menacing.
Ah! Republican fire extinguisher.
Can somebody park close enough with their pet bear that it can sneak out of the trunk and clean up the shit?
Look at Mika over here.
Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell kept hopes alive for an interest-rate cut...
I'm mean, we're no longer suffering from inflation, I'm told.
We have been conditioned to sit back and take it
Next on the agenda: making it illegal to question the official inflation figures.
Just don't buy food, energy, or housing.
Maybe Trump could debate Jo Jorgensen on BLM values.
Just like Jo was anti racist in 2020, she is probably all free palestine these days.
Jo: I stand strong with blm and their cause, even though they are Marxists and want to destroy everything I pretend to stand for
Trump: as a private citizen I employed thousands of black, helping lift them out of poverty, as president gas prices and food prices were lower ensuring they could have mor disposable income
Trump: I received a higher percentage of the Black vote in 2020 than you did of the American vote.
Everyone: you’re just awful, Jo.
Yeah when your policies destroy and result in the unnecessary deaths of a million Americans the economy dies too and the resulting lack of demand for gasoline drops the price.
The fuck you going on about? Gas prices are more expensive now than they were in 2019 before the pandemic. You center-right retard.
But enough about the Democrats (the only ones whose policies ACTUALLY killed people and fucked up the economy).
Lack of ammunition is forcing the outnumbered Ukrainian soldiers to pull back...
Infantry should probably ask for an audit.
You know who else was outnumbered and had to pull back?
Frank the Tank, streaking through the quad to the gymnasium? (there's more coming)
I'm still waiting to find out if KFC is still open.
Napoleon?
"We don't have data that reflects that as far as party registration or affiliation," responded McWilliams. "I'm basically speaking from the point of what we're seeing from a cultural perspective."
Smells like somebody has his own (i.e. data-free) truth.
How dare you question his lived experience?
Never mind the man already had four years during which he could have pardoned Julian Assange or Ross Ulbricht
Or Edward Snowden, and Trump was letting himself be lead by the nose by the GOPe on the matter.
Suffice it to say though, the chance that the monsters and devils running the Biden puppet show will pardon any of those men is less than zero, and the chance that RFK Jr. or a now older, wiser Trump will do it, is now fairly high.
Correct
Or Edward Snowden, and Trump was letting himself be lead by the nose by the GOPe on the matter.
Not to excuse him too much, but think about it like this: There are people, and I mean everyone from tuned out office workers to big name power brokers, who didn't realize until a couple weeks ago that academia is filled with violently antisemitic Marxists.
Yeah, right...
If you're "just students" then go to class, you fuckwits. The school should expel them all: "You came here to get an education, if you've decided you'd rather be a virtue signaling activist you can go do that somewhere else. This is an institution for learning. Go away."
"This is an institution for learning."
Assuming facts not in evidence.
True. Churning out whiny activists is their true purpose, which is why they won't actually kick of these imbeciles out. But if they were an actual "institution for learning" that's exactly what they would do.
Why would the lp listen to reason? Reason hasn't cared about libritarianism In decades.
The fact that reason says the misuse cactus is mostly edge lords shows that reason has no intrest in discussing libritarian ideas
"misuse cactus"
That could catch on.
Great band name.
"No step on misses kektus."
Any more than you have at improving your spelling.
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Yep my point is invalid because I am bad at spelling
"Stoic" is not a word I would use to describe most "current year college students."
Whiny, privileged, thin skinned, cry babies, a few other descriptors come to mind, but not stoic.
Be fair. Compared to at least some pre-schoolers, they think they are being stoic.
It’s finals! Can I go home?
Back in my day, somebody just pulled the fire alarm to avoid final exams.
Now they do it to avoid a Congressional vote.
Cool shirts. But what's with the mutant bird shitting and puking all over the place?
He really broke you badly, didn’t he.
All the booze didn’t help.
He was broken prior. But Trump ripped his mask off.
L.A. Beats NYC?
Are we still doing the east coast - west coast rivalry?
Fly-over Country: "Just leave me out of it."
Too late, their simian populations migrated there long ago and created their own colonies.
Instead of reporting on the retards in Ukraine, how about a story about the evil retards in DC that put 3.5 billion in the Ukraine bill for increesing the illegal invasion from the middle east?
Fist they came for the bagels...
And I said nothing because bagels are just week old donuts.
How’s Fist involved in this?
missing punctuation ala Lionel Hutz
Fist! They came for the bagels!
There’s the truth 🙁 and then the truth 😀
First they came for the beagles and I said nothing, because questioning fauci is wrong
Member when “disrupting” a school board meeting or going to church in your car in the church parking lot would get you labeled an extremist and possible domestic terrorist? Let’s see if the Feds come calling on any of these tent city creeps shouting “Death to America” and violating the rights of students.
The administration is already playing dumb about “outside agitators” amongst them
"Biden forgives more than $6 billion in student debt for 317,000 defrauded borrowers"
[...]
"The latest round of forgiveness brings the total amount of relief given to student loan borrowers under the Biden administration to $160 billion for 4.6 million individuals."
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-forgives-more-6-billion-132912740.html
Don't you wish you knew someone as generous as you?
The fun part is where I get to pay my student loans, and then via taxes, also pay for other people's student loans. Yay!
And that loon Kennedy is trying to get me to pay two mortgages.
When you have been defrauded you get to not pay your credit card bill.
Who’s the dumbest motherfucker that comments here and why is it charliehall?
Nah, To my knowledge, Charlie hasn’t posted links to things that completely refute his point, so still not as dumb as shrike.
In a race to the bottom, Shrike's commanding lead might be attributed to his enormous head start.
Restrictions on speech should, of course, be content-neutral.
They should not exist
Today I can look back at the protests of the fifties with pride, as they were protesting for justice and the end to segregation. Today a can look back at the protests of the sixties with pride, as they were protesting for peace and and end to the draft and the Vietnam war.
Today they are protesting in favor of the terrorists who kidnapped, raped, and murdered men, women and children. Who will ever be able to look back at that with pride?
The protests of the 60s were led primarily by commie college students and professors that literally wanted to overthrow the US. Their stated reasons were merely a smokescreen.
If the 60s college students had shouted Free North Vietnam Brandy would maybe make the connection. Let alone notice all the Che shirts.
Sure, but the fact that some bad people supported a cause is not a good reason to reject the cause itself.
I'm saying the cause was incidental; the protests were whipped up in academia because they thought the energy could be harvested to advance the marxist revolution here. The "issue" is never the issue; the issue is what's going to bring the communist utopia about.
That's why you saw such a massive fucking cultural hangover in the New Left after the draft ended and we pulled back from Vietnam, followed by Nixon's resignation. That was a mass disenchantment with the fact that all the cultural energy they had whipped up suddenly popped like a balloon and the majority of the country moved on.
50s: The goals of the civil rights movement were admirable. It's worth noting, though, that advocating some of the exact things they wanted, e.g. color-blind hiring, could now get you called in by HR for a lecture and "training" from the company DEI coordinator. And the CPUSA, apologists for communist mass murder, latched onto the civil rights movement, albeit opportunistically.
60s: Red Rocks is usually wrong but on this he's right. Some of the leadership were outright communists who effectively supported stuff more lethal and despicable than Hamas by a couple orders of magnitude. Many of the rank and file were either useful idiots, or men with a very understandable but not particularly altruistic desire to not die in a useless failed war.
I was around for Viet Nam and I and everybody I knew had friends that ended up as cannon fodder. Those that came back were not the people I knew when they left, they were seriously damaged. I was registered and terrified my number would come up when Nixon ended the draft. I didn't need any leadership to oppose that war. Fuck you and your useful idiot bullshit.
Don't get me wrong. You were right to oppose the war, and you'd have been right even if you weren't personally at risk of going. And you're quite obviously someone who forms his own opinions rather than following a leader. Sorry for implying otherwise with some sloppy writing.
But I recall (too young to be drafted) stuff like Jane Fonda going to North Vietnam. Hard to spin that as anything except pro-communist.
Appreciate the reply. My point is that the draft affected everybody because every draftee left behind brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, friends. Words like "movement" and "community" are convenient shorthand for copy writers but they don't actually describe the real world very well. I grew up in Ann Arbor and I was very much aware of SDS and The Weathermen but opposition to the draft, if not the war, didn't need them as movement leaders. Most of them had college deferments anyway and faced no personal risk. If there is a current corollary it might be Antifa. We can all get behind police reform but their agenda goes much further. The Weathermen may have been popular as figureheads fighting "the man" but once Nixon ended the draft and retreated they were irrelevant to the vast majority and few noticed as they invaded academia to promote a very different agenda. In retrospect we should have been paying more attention.
Nah, I'm right about most things. Centrists just don't like mean words.
Is it possible to condemn what the Hamas terrorists did while not hailing the IDF as heroes for killing and injuring something in the neighborhood of 100,000 Palestinian civilians?
Seems to me like nobody is allowed to think that. You must view one side as evil and the other as blameless. If you say otherwise then you will be accused of praising whichever side the accuser hates.
Poor sarc.
100k?
Where's that number come from?
Most sources say 30K dead and 70K injured, plus or minus. You can do the rest of the math.
Which sources? Hamas has admitted to cooking the books. You were told this. But facts never get in the way of your narratives.
What constitutes an injury? A stubbed toe?
Why don't you cite your source.
Is that the 30k the BBC recently got sanctioned for admitting:
1) Came from Hamas
2) Included Hamas combatants
?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/25/bbc-admits-reporting-gaza-civilian-deaths-inaccurate/
Do you have better numbers from a source more trustworthy than Tucker Carlson?
Again, even if yours and Hamas's numbers weren't bullshit sarc, the IDF is fighting a war. What in your mind is the correct number of casualties?
Look at sarc pre declare any non Hamas numbers as biased lol.
Who cares that WE KNOW the Hamas numbers are wrong. Trust them until a source sarc will accept comes forward.
Care to remind everyone why you claim Tucker Carlson isn’t trustworthy?
Also, has tucker carlson been posting casualty figures?
Sockpuppet... do math! That's the funniest one this month!
So you went from 30k to 100k in under a week? Lol.
If you include the injured and don't consider how they got injured or who did it.
Even if the 100k number wasn't bullshit, it wouldn't matter. It's called a war, sarc.
How many more or less were killed on the Axis side than the Allied side, and does it matter? Does it have any bearing on who was moral or immoral in the war?
One night in March, 1945, Tokyo lost 100K killed. A million left homeless. That's just one night of bombing raids. War is ugly, but it used to be way worse.
Israel does a pretty damned good job when Hamas uses civilians as human shields.
I don't know if IDF are heroes, but they are a military doing their job. War fucking sucks and one of the big reasons why is that innocent civilians get killed. But once you commit to a war, you have to do it all the way, and do what is needed to win. I would really prefer the US stay out of it (as it is we're doing this weird support both sides thing). But Israel gets to do what they think they need to do in response to a serious act of war.
Today they are protesting in favor of the terrorists who kidnapped, raped, and murdered men, women and children. Who will ever be able to look back at that with pride?
Oh, I don't know, according rep. Omar (D-brother fucker) these kids are "on the right side of history."
And given the political leanings of most historians, that's probably exactly how the history of this time period will be written.
The Lootveeg fon Mises Caucasians? Generations that have never dealt with undercover narcs and doublethink ideologues are ill-prepared for weaponized brood parasitism, fifth columns, provocateurs and the simple linguistic confession that "anarcho-" literally means violent totalitarian collectivist and nothing else. A little game theory goes a long way. A good example of playing for keepsies is the assassination plot in "Babylon Berlin."
And protests that devolve into vandalism and violence...
These are not protests that devolve into vandalism and violence. They're specifically focused on vandalism and violence. Particularly, vandalism of university properties and violence perpetrated at Jews, and in support of Nazi-Hamas terrorists whose goal is to indiscriminately wipe out the Jews, even those "anti-Zionist" Jews that support "Palestine".
These are not protests that devolve into vandalism and violence. They’re specifically focused on vandalism and violence.
Kind of like going to a fight and a hockey game breaking out.
Egg Zachary
never mind the fact that the man already had four years during which he could have pardoned Julian Assange or Ross Ulbricht, yet chose not to
The right choice regarding Assange.
Unlike the disgusting choice to let traitor Manning not only live, but also to pay for transition, and commute his sentence. Absurd.
I’d softened to where I thought Angela McArdle was merely an incompetent edgelady, utterly unfit to be LP national chair.
Now I’m back to thinking she’s a disingenuous Trump plant specifically sent in to destroy the organization or turn it into a minor branch of the MAGA movement.
If they do a panel/interview Trump should be given a polite but dismissive listen, but whenever McArdle tries to say something she ought to be pelted with eggs and drowned out with chants of the c-word.
How dare an LP leader take notice of state and federal abuses of power. The horror.
Plenty of other victims of government abuse of power she could bring in, rather than the effing nominee of a party she's supposed to be campaigning against. This is just as bad as Weld saying Hillary was better than Trump.
What is the most public abuse of power at the moment? Who would get the most eyes on the problem?
Tell us again how the anti-Mises side is libertarian and not just DNC lite. You know, the White Mike crowd that brought the party Johnson and Jorgensen.
Johnson was our best candidate ever. Obviously not the purist libertarian, but libertarian enough, accessible to normal people, and objectively far more qualified than HRC and DJT by experience and temperament.
BTW, are you Canadian?
Yes he is Canadian. I still haven’t figured out why someone from the country with the motto “We’re not America” is so passionate about our politics. It seems like the only thing Canadians are proud of is not being American. When they travel they’re so very careful to be clear that they’re not Americans. Yet here he is. North American Scum
"I still haven’t figured out why someone from the country with the motto “We’re not America” is so passionate about our politics."
That's right, BC, Alberta, Quebec and Newfoundland are all the same as downtown Toronto. Just like how Mississippi and New York are the same thing.
Anyway, you know exactly why as we've been through his a thousand times, but here goes again:
1. My brother and sister both married Americans and emigrated to the states where they became citizens, and I now have nephews and nieces that are American. As did three of my cousins and two great-uncles, and four great-aunts. The number of extended family members I have that are American are probably over a hundred.
2. Canadian politics are downstream from American politics. Every stupid idea that comes out of left coast academia or the Democratic party invariably ends up on the lips of a Liberal or NDPer less than a year later. If you want to stop a river being polluted you fight it upstream at the source of the pollution.
3. I've subscribed and supported Reason for over twenty years now. You may not realize this but we don't just read the leaves outside our igloos. Reason was sold at Canadian newsstands everywhere, there was a Canadian edition. If people here talked about Canadian issues and politics I would talk about that. Since KMW took over there has been less of an international focus.
I could see how someone living without hope under the Trudeau regime might spend his leisure time on US politics, just to stay sane.
You have to concede ML's not acting like your stereotypical Canadian, which would be something more like Martinned2. That's why I was surprised to find out the other day.
“I still haven’t figured out”
Going out of your way to not figure a lot of things is your MO.
"Johnson was our best candidate ever."
Gary "Bake the Cake" Johnson was libertarian? Well, I'll just let that one sit there.
Last time I voted I supported Gary's Johnson. He wasn’t perfect but he had libertarian principles. Unlike the guy who, when he occasionally does libertarianish things by complete accident, you hail as the most libertarian president ever.
Name a more libertarian president than Trump since Coolidge a hundred years ago.
How to judge? Libertarian in principles, vs libertarian in rhetoric, vs liberation in net results of their administration.
In net results, Clinton. He was not even slightly libertarian but a combination of gridlock, pro-trade attitudes, and (relative) budget realism led to a slight bending on the curve on growth of government. He wasn't good on foreign military misadventures but did less than his predecessors and successors.
Reagan did the freedom rhetoric but it was 100% phony.
Principles? Trump has no principles. There hasn’t been a real believer in limited government since Coolidge.
How to judge? Libertarian in principles, vs libertarian in rhetoric, vs liberation in net results of their administration.
Libertarian in action. Results are hard when half your party and the entirety of establishment are there to thwart you.
Clinton killed a retarded man to show that he was Tough On Crime, bombed a babyfood factory to distract from a scandal, and launched the first NATO war in Europe.
Trump was the anti-Clinton. He instituted the First Step Act, negotiated a better, freer trade deal, attempted rapprochement with the DPRK, made a peace deal with the Taliban, pushed the Abraham Accords and unlike Clinton didn't get Tough On Drugs and Tough On Crime, and didn't start any new wars.
Anything remotely libertarianish that Trump did was for personal gain. Just like everything he does. That's not something to give him credit for. Would you say that a blind squirrel that can find nuts has great vision? Obviously not. That would be dumb. Well Trump couldn't tell a libertarian from a librarian.
Do you even realize how retarded you sound when making this claim? It is a dishonest tactic to ignore the actions of a person. Full stop. You admit the actions are good but want to pretend they were by accident or for a nefarious reason.
Meanwhile you defend bad actions of democrats under the guise of good intentions.
Wonder why you get called a leftist...
Anything remotely libertarianish that Trump did was for personal gain.
Can’t debate substance so he questions motives.
I don't consider Trump to be at all libertarian because he's not acting on principle. You can't predict that he'll do something libertarian because he's not libertarian. I'll vote for someone who I think can be counted on to do libertarian things on purpose. But not for someone who might do them on accident.
How did he benefit from the First step act? Lowering my taxes?
Sarc, cite how you know his motivations? Rachel Maddow? CNN?
What evidence do you fucking have?
As opposed to Saint Clinton, the Good
GFY
Trump didn’t even take a salary
“Anything remotely libertarianish that Trump did was for personal gain.”
So?
No seriously.
Thank you for the reminders on Clinton. Sad to admit I’d forgotten Serbia. And of course there was Waco.
I suspect we have different ideas on what is libertarian when it comes to immigration. Even though DJT was partially thwarted his attitude alone was enough to turn me off. And while he didn't specifically make Tough on Crime his motto, my impression was he was generally on side of those who did.
There is nothing libertarian about unfettered immigration into a welfare state. Youre defending state transfer of resources to those who didn’t generate resources. Maybe you’ll actually read Hoppe unlike sarc, jeff, or other dems in libertarian clothing.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/07/hans-hermann-hoppe/immigration-and-libertarianism/
There is a reason why Marxists support open borders into welfare heavy states. But you probably don’t realize you’re parroting their beliefs, not a libertarian belief.
https://www.marxist.com/why-marxists-oppose-immigration-controls.htm
And while he didn’t specifically make Tough on Crime his motto, my impression was he was generally on side of those who did.
As seen by the First Step Act and pushing for reforms. God damn you guys remain intentionally ignorant through your anger and propaganda.
Even though DJT was partially thwarted his attitude alone was enough to turn me off.
Deep down this is pretty much the reason everyone who hates Trump, hates Trump.
He’s crass and boastful, bombastic, embarrassing. He sounds like a loud, drunk uncle or a used car salesman.
But the fact is, when you look past the character issues and the establishment accusations, at what he actually did, you find a pretty damn libertarian president. Certainly the most libertarian since Coolidge.
Maybe it was accidental, maybe he didn’t intend to be, but that still doesn’t change the fact that he was. And it certainly doesn’t change the fact that his successor turned out to be the closest thing to fascist, that America has ever seen.
Maybe it was accidental, maybe he didn’t intend to be, but that still doesn’t change the fact that he was.
You're twisting words. He was not a libertarian president. He was a narcissist president who accidentally did some libertarian things.
Carter did more deregulation than any other president. Would you call him a libertarian, or a Democrat who did some libertarian things?
Reagan talked the most libertarian talk of any president ever, but his deficit spending and war on drugs were not libertarian. Would you call him a libertarian, or a Republican who said some libertarian things?
"Pretty damn libertarian" seems like overselling it. What did he accomplish that was libertarian? Some reduction in regulations, though I'm not convinced it made much real difference. There is still a huge federal regulatory burden. Some criminal justice stuff that was nice. What else? I'm probably missing something. He did some other things that weren't terrible, but that I wouldn't call specifically "libertarian".
But he still presided over a growing federal budget and, biggest of all, did not act to stop the covid authoritarianism or spending. A lot of things the president can't do much about. But that is one area where he could have acted to help preserve liberty and failed to do so. No, he couldn't have stopped the spending. But he seemed pretty OK with it at the time.
He didn’t start any new wars. Shooting wars anyway, not trade wars. I’ll give him credit for that.
(Responding to ML).
Look, Fuck Joe Biden. But the closest thing we've ever had to a fascist? Seems to me you're letting Woodrow Wilson off the hook too easily. And literally no one did more to push state power into our daily lives than Franklin Roosevelt.
“Carter did more deregulation than any other president.”
Carter created the Department of Education you dumbfuck. You really are only capable of repeating narratives.
Lol. Speaking of motivations. The majority of Carters deregulation came after he realized he was going to lose the election. Most of his deregulation were plans from his opponents.
Stop trying to reform Carter. He created two of the worst departments at the federal level. Those were things he did ideologically. Not in response to losing an election.
"Look, Fuck Joe Biden. But the closest thing we’ve ever had to a fascist? Seems to me you’re letting Woodrow Wilson off the hook too easily. And literally no one did more to push state power into our daily lives than Franklin Roosevelt."
Fair enough.
How about closest thing in 80 years?
@ducksalad
“Seems to me you’re letting Woodrow Wilson off the hook too easily. And literally no one did more to push state power into our daily lives than Franklin Roosevelt.”
Thank you!
Also, I will say that no one is saying he was flat out libertarian, they’re qualifying it with something (my lifetime, since Silent Cal, whatever). Which is almost assuredly true, though a VERY low bar to cross, to be sure.
"...In net results, Clinton..."
Bullshit. One more case of TDS.
I can never see when you guys are serious. Your main complaints against Trump were trade agreements and tariffs. Something Bill excelled at. Gridlock was not his doing.
The only thing Clinton did well was admitting welfare was bad and working towards welfare reform at the behest of the GOP. Everything else was shit. Bosnia, NAFTA, nuclear tech to China, etc.
My main complaint on trade is that Trump views trade as a collective activity to be managed by the government, with himself, Master Dealmaker, as Customer-In-Chief.
My view of trade is individual and companies making private decisions whether to buy local or not without my government interfering to make it “fair”.
You might say you like free trade, but what you really want is fair trade. Not the same thing.
However, I guess I’ll walk back the Clinton thing a bit. Might have been doing a little subconscious trolling. Zeb is right, there simply have been no libertarian-ish presidents at all in almost 100 years. The worst were FDR and RMN but it’s been bleak.
What you think is free trade is disadvantaged trade. Don't fall into the same ignorance as sarc. And bill was not for free trade. Trade agreements are literally trade regulations. They are not free trade.
Free trade requires all actors to act in the same manner. This is why most gaming economic systems show a tit for tat type system to end up the most ideal situation.
Instead what you call free trade is high regulations for the US, low regulations and theft for China and to have the US ignore the blatant theft that adds costs to domestic suppliers. That isn't fucking free trade.
“Free trade requires all actors to act in the same manner”
Requiring stuff means someone’s got the authority and power to do the requiring. That third party is going to be imposing their own idea of what’s good trade at the expense of the principals.
Two different and somewhat conflicting justifications for free trade:
1. The idea that it’s the most efficient system, encourages innovation, minimizes government corruption, etc.
2. The idea that two consenting adults have the right to exchange stuff as they see fit.
Just guessing that you’re more in School 1 and I’m more in School 2. I’ll worry for myself whether that stuff from China is a good deal and whether that outweighs ethical concerns or my desire to work with local businesses. Don’t need help from DJT or FJB.
Free trade isn't so much the libertarian principle, but rather individual freedom. Which includes the individual freedom to trade with not free trading partners.
I think it's a valid question to ask if we are fucking ourselves over by having China manufacture everything, etc. But to my mind the libertarian position is to allow individuals and groups of freely associating individuals to decide on their own what they want to buy and who they want to do business with.
I think it’s a valid question to ask if we are fucking ourselves over by having China manufacture everything, etc.
I think the answer is comparative advantage. It’s not always intuitive, but it makes sense.
Besides that, we manufacture all kinds of stuff. Lots of big stuff. Things neither you nor I can’t buy. Big machines. And much of the small stuff that is manufactured in China is designed and engineered by Americans.
Yes, that was overstating it. I know first hand that we manufacture a lot of stuff in the US. But we depend on China for a lot. Mostly I agree that it is mostly to our advantage. And I value individual freedom to trade above free trade as Jesse defines it. But there is some chance that China could be an enemy some day and that would be a big problem. Hopefully the trade relationship keeps that from happening. But I'm a little wary about their intentions towards Taiwan.
But there is some chance that China could be an enemy some day and that would be a big problem.
Why cripple yourself in preparation for a fight you might never have?
And I value individual freedom to trade above free trade as Jesse defines it.
You'll have to paraphrase it for me. I won't read his posts.
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“Free trade requires all actors to act in the same manner”
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Requiring stuff means someone’s got the authority and power to do the requiring. That third party is going to be imposing their own idea of what’s good trade at the expense of the principals.
Such a dishonest interpretation of what was stated.
Required in this case is they all play by the same fucking rules. Don't commit anti market behaviors. Etc etc.
But you know this. So you distort the argument to defend advantaged trade which is what you actually support.
@Zeb “Which includes the individual freedom to trade with not free trading partners.”
Couldn’t one argue that the way the power is delegated in the constitution, the founders specifically set it up that the fed.gov gets a say in all of the trade?
Clinton was terrible on military adventurism, for the reasons ML stated, plus the expansion of NATO into Eastern Europe (how’s that working out?)
Domestically he’s responsible for the assault weapons ban, the ‘94 crime bill that greatly expanded the feds role in law enforcement, and the Chips act, which expanded the feds role in healthcare.
Not only how to judge, but on what scale? I say you should judge relative to the average American's opinions. Though maybe I should narrow the field to "leading Americans' opinions", because it may be that among people considered in the leadership class, the average is different from...average.
If you don't grade on a curve, then you wind up with absurdities like vilifying George Washington because he owned slaves. Never mind that he freed a lot of slaves, the fact that he kept any for any time could be said to make him extremely evil compared to the average prominent American now, who has never owned any slaves.
Back then naygro slavery was Christian, godlike, literally Constitutional. Harriett Beecher Stowe transcribed official church records to this effect. Her free books on Gutenberg.org are searchable. The 1873 Comstock laws made damn good and sure nobody mailed any books documenting systematic rape of slave girls. Years later Nietzsche contributed his observation that "women and children are property." (Mencken, 1916) Observe that to AfD Mises Caucasians, property trumps individual rights all night long.
Sure, I can't name one. But that's because we've had no presidents that were remotely libertarian in that time. I do agree we'd be better off with Trump. But that's not saying much.
I recall hearing that about George Wallace.
No you don’t.
Every President since Coolidge was more libertarian than Trump. Trump is a lot like Mussolini.
In what way is Trump like Mussolini? Maybe a little bit in style, but can you provide any specifics on policy?
Have you interacted with charlie before? Don’t expect a coherent answer.
Not enough that I have given up. I'm a fairly patient man.
charliehall's brains leaked out long, long ago.
Bush 1&2 too... brainwashing of youth (http://bit.ly/3JfGFYL)
You voted for the most DNC connected libertarian you could find and now rage whenever a libertarian notices the state abuses while defending state abuses. Lol.
Fair criticism, he was flat wrong on that one. And some other stuff.
We've all got our litmus tests and maybe that issue was yours. I was standing back looking at the whole picture and overall I liked it despite the spots here and there.
Nope, he's got a raging case of TDS, but he found a fig leaf.
Wait I'm confused. Who are you saying has the TDS? ML, sarc, me, or Johnson?
I was referring to sarc, but I see you seem to share it with him.
Clinton? Not if he had a chance; remember Hillary-Care?
Hey man, that's why I said in net results. Obviously if he and his wife had a free hand it would have been a disaster.
Your list of net results was an unfounded narrative devoid of factual examples.
But if you go by net results, are you just comparing before & after, or are you comparing after to after-in-some-alternate-timeline? For example, Bush Jr.'s Medicare Part D looks awful, but when you realize it was in a political climate that was calling for much more medical statism, then it may be that such a concession staved off worse for a while. Trump's bump stock ban looks like a trivial concession to stave off much worse.
Those are decent points.
Bush Jr.'s Part D maybe held off something worse, but it'll be a few more decades before I'm convinced that something worse is dead for good. Leaving that aside there's creating DHS including the TSA; FISA; Iraq; and some torture camps.
I believe Trump had enough absolute MAGAists in Congress that he could not have a veto overridden. So I'm not convinced he needed to make any concessions to Congress. If he was doing any conceding it was to safetyist voters, with an eye toward 2020. Look how that worked out for him.
Who said anything about dead for good? Sometimes just delaying something bad is worthwhile. That's what most health care is about.
Please give us the whole picture.
1.Not an asshole, unlike his opponents, and sad to say, many of his opponent’s supporters.
2. Understood libertarianism as letting people do their own thing in a less heavily policed, less centralized society. As opposed to some libertarians who give the impression they wouldn’t mind using shock troops to enforce some kind of rigid National Galt’s Gulch where undermen are not tolerated.
3. And of course, libertarian on immigration, unlike, well you know.
IMO most of his screw ups were off-the-cuff remarks. I imagine if someone had asked him how many months of jail he'd support and how many officers he assign to enforce mandatory cake baking he'd likely have reconsidered and said something different.
1.) Literally who fucking cares. This has no effect on your life unlike actual policies.
2.) Bake that Cake. Ironically Trump gave a clear example of deferring to Federalism under Covid while Johnson remained essentially quiet over it.
3.) Your version of open borders into a welfare state is not libertarian. I'm guessing you skipped right over the essay from Hoppe. Stop calling government forced wealth transfers to foreigners violating immigration laws to be libertarian. Makes you look really fucking ignorant.
1. The reason for being against assholes in addition to looking at policy is that we don’t know what policies and crises will come up for decision in the future, so I’d rather have someone who is motivated by something other than desire to be an asshole.
2. Please don’t say Covid authoritarianism was OK because federalism. And in case you forgot: the CDC and Fauci did not report to Gretchen Whitmer, they did not report to Gavin Newsom, they did not report to FJB. They reported to Donald Trump, who could have disempowered Fauci in various ways but did not. That’s what DJT *should* have been impeached for.
3. The immigrants aren’t forcing wealth transfer to themselves. No immigrant will put me in jail for not paying taxes to cover welfare costs. That’s 100% on Democratic US citizens who are members of Congress.
1a. Also, assholes are way more tolerable if they're on your side. Problem is, Trump is your asshole, not mine.
You seem really caught up in behaviors rather than policy.
You are essentially stating you prefer a benevolent dictators with nice words to an asshole libertarian.
Sorry if I see you as unserious.
Another good essay from a libertarian for you to read would again be by Hoppe regarding ethical argumentation.
Often tone and manner are used to crippled an argument of principle. Tonality doesn't fucking matter. Essence of an argument does. But you'd rather let your enemies set the parameters of a debate.
Youre an unserious libertarian.
Gary "I Agree With 73% of What Bernie Sanders Says" Johnson?
BTW, are you Canadian?
Xenophobic much?
Not as long as they know their place….
The Canadians are particularly insidious because they aren't easily identified. ML had me fooled for years.
What a hoser.
Lyin' Ted is ML?
Sure. Bake that cake. Listen to government. Never fight back. Go Johnson.
I won’t minimize the cake thing, it’s an important principle. But the alternatives were a mean-spirited socialist harpy who made it clear she hated most of what I believe in, and an unpredictable, unstable asshole who gave a distinct impression he might consider rounding up my wife and her extended family solely based on their place of birth and putting them in camps prior to deportation.
It did turn out DJT was mostly a lying blowhard about that issue. However, at the time it wasn’t certain whether he was overstating or understating his position. I withdrew a substantial amount of cash in December 2015 as a precaution, just in case he turned out to be understating. Step one of a crackdown is freezing the bank accounts.
I won’t minimize the cake thing, it’s an important principle.
Worth noting that it's gotten fairly habitual for people to leave out the context that he was giving his interpretation of the Civil Rights Act, not his interpretation of Libertarian Principle.
For some reason 95% libertarian is worse than 40% libertarian.
Fairly habitual for those with raging cases of TDS, as does this asshole.
So your trump insanity is so insane and emotional you removed money from your bank accounts? LOL.
If you are here legally then your wife and kids were never at risk unless you fully believed the leftist narratives like a good lil boy.
Also weird to admit your Trump hatred is based on you taking advantage of another country despite their laws.
He specifically said people from [her country] were a problem and shouldn’t be admitted to the country. He proposed “denaturalizing” some categories of citizen. And lots of the supporters he was whipping up at his rallies REPEATEDLY conflated legal and illegal immigration, he was catering to them, and they don’t give a shit about her naturalization papers. It’s crystal clear that many supporters, even in comments here, are hostile to both legals and illegals. The hard proof is their reaction whenever a suggestion is made to change what’s legal, or to increase legal admissions.
So, my estimate was there was some risk. I estimated it at 1% that things would get to the level of those with completed citizenship, but losing that 0.2% interest the bank was paying until things settled down was no big sacrifice. Anyway, I thought a tough guy survivalist like yourself would see the value in having a big wad of cash in the go bag.
Finally, it’s a bit rich to say she had nothing to fear if she has papers, if you personally oppose giving out more papers, want to hand out a lot fewer, would have denied hers if it had been up to you, and would’ve been grinning and clapping if DJT had gone after some legal immigrants using executive orders.
Wait, you thought your legally immigrated wife might be deported?
Lol. Put down the cnn dude. You’re lost. You’ve got a better chance of sleepy joe making your cash worthless.
"...I withdrew a substantial amount of cash in December 2015 as a precaution, just in case he turned out to be understating..."
OK, there is TDS and then there is fucking insanity!
Fuck off and die, and take the libertarian party with you; its total accomplishments have been to remove support from those who might (as in Trump) deliver results.
I call it being prepared for 1% events.
Not a lot different from guys who have a gun just in case, or keep some jerry cans of gas in the garage. Doesn’t mean they’re planning for sure to shoot someone or turn into Mad Max. Keeping several K outside the bank when there’s a POTUS who’s talking smack about my family isn’t unreasonable. And when his supporters keep telling me to fuck off and die.
And finally, any decent libertarian ought to have some of their resources not in government-monitored venues.
"I call it being prepared for 1% events..."
You are very, very good at excuses and lame justifications.
What is a lepo?
That was the same election where Hillary Clinton, who boasted of her SoS experience, was ignorant of where Mosul was located.
That was the same election where Hillary Clinton, who boasted of her SoS experience, was ignorant of where Mosul was located.
In the context of saying she was going to invade Syria immediately after conquering Mosul.
When the only thing people remember about Johnson is "what is a lepo" it indicates that the only thing they know about Johnson is what was spoon-fed to them by the mainstream media.
I voted for Johnson, so gfys with that shit.
I voted for Johnson
Then what's your point bringing that up in response to someone pointing out that unlike Trump Johnson is actually more or less libertarian?
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Johnson was our best candidate ever.
It was in response this.
Your response to his opinion that Johnson was the best-ever LP candidate was to repeat an MSM talking point lifted out of context from an obvious set-up?
Do you have a better nominee for best LP candidate?
That wasn’t taken out of context. He fucked up. If it was a setup he should have been prepared for it, he knew he was being interviewed by adversarial media. Aleppo was a pretty important foreign policy issue at the time. And it was indicative of the unseriousness of his whole pot laced campaign.
Browne and Badnarack were both superior. I was too young when Ron Paul was the nominee, but based on what he’s done since I’d guess he was better. I’d put Barr about the same as Johnson. Jo was a clown.
Ron Paul was very good in 1988. In his later years he got sucked into paranoia about interstate highways and such stuff. I'd pick the son as an R over the father as an L if the choice came up today.
Badnarik, Browne, Marrou, and Jorgensen believed and said the right things, and I voted for them, but none had demonstrated any particularly outstanding skills at getting stuff done that I could see. And I do think the job, even if government was drastically reduced, is important enough that someone with above average management skills is needed.
Barr was the least libertarian, but came off as the most competent and serious. It didn't result in a big jump in votes.
Paul and Johnson had demonstrated ability and decent principles. But Johnson ran a much better campaign and his vote totals show it.
If it was a setup he should have been prepared for it, he knew he was being interviewed by adversarial media.
They were talking election technicalities and rapid-fire mentioning all kinds of different organizations and then suddenly pivoted to Aleppo for absolutely no reason. He got confused for about half a second and then recovered himself. And then the MSM took that one moment, stripped it of any context and declared that he's too incompetent to handle foreign policy, never having mentioned him before and never to mention him again.
Browne and Badnarack were both superior.
I'm not sure I agree, but this right here is a much better response than parroting an MSM hit job.
Andre Marrou did demonstrate skill in getting things done (such as ballot access) in the campaign for the presidential nomination. His slogan was "performance, not just promises".
You really think Trump is going to show up? He is risking being booed by some portion of the audience (an audience for which he cannot control entry). He will then attack said booers, which will eventually lead to a split in the LP, which will destroy the 50 years effort to create a libertarian third party. Maybe that's what is intended? Maybe that wouldn't be such a bad outcome?
"Maybe that’s what is intended?"
Yes. I fear McArdle's whole plan is exactly what you describe.
"Maybe that wouldn’t be such a bad outcome?"
I hope you're not under some misimpression that if the LP collapsed we'd go to Trump as second choice. If it happened on it's own I'd probably leave it blank. But if I believed it was engineered by Republican plants, then it would become ethically necessary for me to maximize consequences. Voting for FJB would do twice as much damage to Republican interests as leaving it blank. Decide if you want me to do that.
>>engineered by Republican plants
"seeking a liberty party"?
If the takeover was being engineered by the likes of Thomas Massie and Justin Amash I wouldn't object too much.
The worry is it's people that have more in common with MyPillow, Steve Bannon, Ken Paxton, etc.
Hitler's party sprouted new members beginning with Herbert Hoover's Moratorium on Brains. All they needed was cash and votes, and Industrialists and suckers handed them those with little prompting, to “fulfill the work of the Lord.” The NSDAP did not, however, let party hacks near a hot radio mic close to elections. Only government personnel made speeches. It is lucky for the LP the AfD links to funding Alabama Von Mises fronts have been discovered by German intelligence. Anarco-fascism mixes the worst from Nietzsche and Martin Luther, much like TR.
See, duck? Stay on the road you’re on and you’ll wind up like hank.
You don’t want that.
"...I hope you’re not under some misimpression that if the LP collapsed we’d go to Trump as second choice..."
"We"? All five of you? I'm sure Trump is now shaking in his boots.
The LP has been most effective as a purely partisan club populated by self-involved twits interested in proving their purity, and, at best keeping those who might accomplish something from being elected.
What, you think Hillary was the best choice in 2016 and you're upset that Johnson kept her from getting elected? Odd...
Anyway, Trump apparently thinks there’s enough support that it’s worth going there to give a speech. Whether that’s to actually convince people, or just to wreak havoc in the organization, either way he thinks it’s enough people to make it worth doing.
"What, you think Hillary was the best choice in 2016 and you’re upset that Johnson kept her from getting elected? Odd…
Also good at lame strawmen...
“…..wreak havoc in the organization….”
Lol. If it’s that easy, what exactly are you defending? Sounds pretty fragile.
Who is FJB? (Asking for a friend)
I thought you were the translator.
Sometimes it's rendered as LGB.
That’s just crazy to me that you would actively vote for Biden to thumb your nose at some attempted Republican take over of the LP.
That’s like installing the Mullahs because the Shah was a piece of shit. At least just write in your grandma or something.
Lol. You have some irrational fears. Must suck to live like that.
Lol.
It's now confirmed, both by Columbia's president and by Mayor Eric Adams, that "individuals not affiliated with the university" were the ones leading the Hamilton Hall break-in and barricade that got shut down by NYPD yesterday. "Approximately 300 people were arrested," and they do not know the breakdown yet of outside agitators vs. students.
Narrative alert. I watched the news conference with Adams and the NYPD on Tuesday and every speaker hammered home the "outside agitator" theme. I have no doubt paid provocateurs are involved but the plan is to portray students as innocent victims. All charges will be dropped. All suspensions will be cancelled. Those on student visas will not be deported. Of the identified agitators a handful will be charged but all charges will be dismissed once the story is out of the news cycle, roughly 30 days.
Adams was talking about some professional marxist protest agitator at that conference who was egging the whole thing on, including the building takeover. When the cops moved in, she had conveniently yeeted off long before then.
Oddly no word of the Biden regime hunting these people down. Looks like they're crossing state lines so the feds have jurisdiction.
I have no doubt paid provocateurs are involved but the plan is to portray students as innocent victims. All charges will be dropped. All suspensions will be cancelled. Those on student visas will not be deported. Of the identified agitators a handful will be charged but all charges will be dismissed once the story is out of the news cycle, roughly 30 days.
Probably correct, unfortunately.
>>L.A. Beats NYC?
idk anymore but in the late '80s L.A. was the place.
however, Doug-E-Fresh & Grandmaster Flash forever, so ...
>>The questions of what type of speech ought to be permitted are fairly thorny here.
not going to be more true Thursday than Monday.
>>Everything you ever wanted to know about regional skating cultures
JFA
>>All publicity = good publicity?
lol maybe stop supporting the killthejews crowd?
crippling bureaucracy
LOL. "Sure is a nice concrete-lined foxhole you got there! It would be a shame if something... unfortunate... were to happen to it."
>>How to stay fit on the moon.
is that after the C treatments from going through the radiation belt?
>>Pi Kappa Phi Men Defended Their Flag
Pi Phi Guys to the rescue!
>>"Do you think libertarians will be happy about it?" I asked
probably not the democrats.
>>It's now confirmed, both by Columbia's president and by Mayor Eric Adams,
all afternoon I'm going to try to think of one thing I would consider that dynamic duo to be credible authority on ...
>>Restrictions on speech should, of course, be content-neutral.
like I was saying, probably not the democrats ...
>>(never mind the fact that the man already had four years during which he could have pardoned Julian Assange or Ross Ulbricht, yet chose not to)
you left your hatred set at Jonah Goldberg today. he could have put H in jail too but didn't. life goes on.
"...(never mind the fact that the man already had four years during which he could have pardoned Julian Assange or Ross Ulbricht, yet chose not to)..."
He also didn't start any wars, proxy or otherwise, did manage to get rid of O-cares tax mandate, didn't give away $160Bn in forgiven loans, but we all have our priorities.
mostly anarcho-capitalist edgelords who spend a lot of time online
I fail to see the inferiority to the not-anarcho-capitalists they replaced or is the "who spend a lot of time online" supposed to be a slight relative to the Twitterati, TikTok, and Tumblr troons?
get the fuck out of our tiny inconsequential club! is an odd poster pitch
It's now confirmed, both by Columbia's president and by Mayor Eric Adams, that "individuals not affiliated with the university" were the ones leading the Hamilton Hall break-in and barricade that got shut down by NYPD yesterday. "Approximately 300 people were arrested," and they do not know the breakdown yet of outside agitators vs. students.
Weird how they seem to just know that the outside agitators were guilty or somehow more guilty simply by being present in a given location.
The NYPD has its own intelligence division that was given shitloads of money after 9/11. They have lots of tools. They were intercepting every phone call, text messages of everyone within a given radius. Since there is a nexus to Islamic terrorism (Hamas), all the tools the NYPD intel has to fight terrorism would be available.
Control-F on "sarc" with the idiots muted yields almost half as many hits as when my browser logs me out and unveils everything. I'm talked about as much or more than I even talk. Wowza. Best part is I don't read any of it!
Back to pretend-muting again, eh?
Poor sarc.
See? I leave the most comical Jesus Nazis unmuted as they belch funnier stuff than anyone sane could make up. But originality is not the forte of useful idjits or mental midjits. Linguistically, there appear to be one lot of a half-dozen or so, each wearing about as many masques, so that that dirty half-dozen give the impression of a gaggle of roughly 36. That accounts for about a quarter or so of what anarco-communism and anarco-fascism send over here as signal-jamming. The LP has clearly troubled those jerks for a while now.
I think bleu cheese might be appropriate for this word salad.
So you don’t have him muted then?
Thanks for the first time ever to the Lizard for revealing the existence of the Classical Liberal Caucus. And to His Blueness for admitting the rotten "fruits" by which we know the MAGAt Anschluss caucus: "Do we have data that reflects that?" (that = anything but shitshows since the Anschluss)
"We don't have data that reflects that as far as party registration or affiliation," responded McWilliams.
Part of the truth, fer shoor. Donors are fleeing to NM and VA, voters realize that handing votes to AfD Mises MAGAts is as good as voting for Alabama's George Wallace. Members, votes and cash all are converging on ZERO. Git a rope!
Trump over the years has said some things which as a libertarian could be interesting. Back in 2010 he seemed to be blasting the Fed's QE, he said the need to end foreign intervention and downsize the govt. Why not invite him..invite corn pop too (who won't come). This "cosmo" libertarian bent of the party needs grow up. Open borders will not lead to the end of the welfare state. "Free trade" 'if it isn't based on neither side subsidizing their industry, not pegging currency to the other, and no tariffs is not free trade. Giving in to the woke madness ("bake the cake" or "end white privilege") like the previous LP admin did is not productive.
The enemy is the Fed, the Federal Surveillance State, the Globalists running our foreign policy, deficit spending, and the war on the Bill of Rights not abortion or sexually mutilating kids like Reason seems to think.
Who knows, maybe Trump without the neocons around him might see the light...
That "riot" made a baseball fight look like the Boston Massacre. Handbag Hamas wouldn't last 5 minutes against Dick Daley's '68 Chicago PD squad. Those were the days.......
Of course it’s ridiculous to have LP merch with Trump saying “Taxation is Theft.” I’d buy one of those shirts.