Bipartisan Legislation Would Let the Government Create Speech-Chilling 'Antisemitism Monitors'
The bill would allow the Education Department to effectively force colleges to suppress a wide range of protected speech.

On Friday, several House representatives introduced legislation that would permit the Education Department to create third-party antisemitism monitors at any college receiving federal funding. The purpose of the bill—the full text of which is not yet available—is to crack down on rising antisemitic speech on college campuses. However, the bill's supporters fail to consider how an "antisemitism monitor" would create a chilling effect, curbing academic freedom and encouraging colleges to punish protected expression.
Following a growing number of pro-Palestine protests on college campuses, universities are facing increasing scrutiny over their handling of student demonstrations—especially as photos and video footage from these protests have often captured extremely inflammatory, offensive rhetoric from student activists.
In response, Reps. Mike Lawler (R–N.Y.) and Ritchie Torres (D–N.Y.) introduced the, ahem, carefully named College Oversight and Legal Updates Mandating Bias Investigations and Accountability (COLUMBIA) Act. According to a Friday press release, the bill would allow the Education Department to appoint a third-party antisemitism monitor to any college receiving government funds. The department would have broad power to set the "terms and conditions of the monitorship," and the colleges would be forced to pay the costs of their own antisemitism monitor. Schools that don't comply with the monitoring would risk losing federal funding.
"Rising antisemitism on our college campuses is a major concern and we must act to ensure the safety of students," Rep. Mike Lawler (R–N.Y.) said in the press release. "If colleges will not step up to protect their students, Congress must act."
"The monitor would release a publicly available online quarterly report," the press release reads, "evaluating in detail the progress that a college or university has made toward combating antisemitism on campus and issuing policy recommendations to Congress, the Secretary, and state and local regulators as needed."
It's not difficult to see how, if passed, the COLUMBIA Act would chill a wide range of anti-Israel speech—not to mention constitutionally protected, genuinely hateful expression. Facing the loss of federal funding, colleges will be incentivized to suppress any speech critical of Israel. At public colleges in particular, universities facing antisemitism monitoring could end up in an impossible position—bound by the Constitution to allow any protected speech yet facing punishment from the government for not suppressing offensive expression.
It's also easy to see how the use of "monitors" for hateful speech could be expanded to cover just about any controversial topic, suppressing any speech that runs foul of a representative's pet issue.
However, these consequences seem of little concern to the bill's sponsors, who remain focused on the need for the government to intervene to stop offensive campus protests.
"American universities are not capable of handling it when left to their own devices," Torres said. "Jewish students have told my office that they feel completely abandoned by their university administrators and they view Congress as the only avenue for accountability and safety."
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To defend our right to speak for morality, we defend the right of others to speak againat morality.
Your right to speak againat orthography is yurt to defend.
The tail wags the dog.
Is this how Jews plan to get away with their holocaust in Gaza? By criminalizing the recognition of it.
Like they’ve done to perpetuate the WW2 holocaust narrative where they’ve played victims for money, sympathy, Palestine and a victim gold card to get away with 76 years of atrocities.
In EVERY nation where that holocaust is alleged to have occurred it is a crime punishable by imprisonment to find or share real evidence of correctly applied logic and science that refutes it.
Free Palestine!
Hey moron, there’s no holocaust. You just spew out Hamas lies. All their Casualty numbers are debunked.
You’re a terrorist shill. Commit suicide right away.
With nobody else recording the deaths, nobody could possibly refute the Palestinian Health Ministry’s data.
You’re full of shit,
And why is that, Herr Misek? Could it be that Hamas imprisons, tortures, and executes dissenters and the few journalistic practitioners of Free Inquiry and the search for Objective Truth?
Hamas Tortured Me for Dissent. Here's What They Really Think of Palestinians | Opinion
Story by Hamza Howidy • 3mo
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/hamas-tortured-me-for-dissent-here-s-what-they-really-think-of-palestinians-opinion/ar-AA1mn24j
Try not to cream your khakis and brown shirt reading this and as always:
Fuck Off, Nazi!
Arrest warrants will soon be issued by the ICJ for Netanyahu and complicit ministers for their crimes against humanity in Gaza.
It warms my heart.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-fears-icc-issue-arrest-warrants-netanyahu-gaza-war-hamas-rcna149739
Swing along with bibi.
And people in hell want a sno-cone.
ICJ can issue all the warrants it wants to, there's nobody enforcing them. They've had warrants out for Putin for years now and that guy goes pretty much wherever he wants.
The USA will never back those warrants, if we did we'd have to respect them if that "court" ever chose to issue similar ones for GWB, Obama, trump, and Biden at least, an maybe even for Bill and Hillary Clinton over Bill's carpet-bombing of Kosovo (supposedly in the interest of "peace keeping"), and Hillary's involvement with the US campaign of interference in the 2014 Ukrainian elections (a more sophisticated version of what she's still ripshit over Putin doing to the USA in 2016).
The US has intervened in more countries than any still existing state in the world. (The Soviet Union, may it rest in pieces, was even worse.) Sometimes we supported good guys, sometimes bad guys. The US has even switched sides at times, such as in Mexico in 1913.
Oh and Putin intervened much more strongly in the 2014 Ukraine election. That was typical of much of US intervention in the past -- as a counter to Soviet intervention.
There's no question that the US and USSR made a mess of the "third world" through the course of the Cold War, but the UN was also more or less under the control of the US and Western Europe for most of that time, and for the couple of decades after that was at least resigned to the fact that it was almost entirely dependent upon the USA if it wanted to do anything beyond issuing some kind of non-binding declaration or "strongly worded letter".
It's hard to imagine whether there would have been any objections to or aggression against Israel after 1967 or 1973 if Eisenhower hadn't allowed the CIA to overthrow Iran's government in 1959, since without the rule of the Shah there might never have been a theocratic revolution in 1979 which made that nation a permanent and well-funded enemy of the USA for the ensuing 45 years (and counting). Hamas and Hezbollah wouldn't have ever existed, or become significant factors in the region without Iranian backing and the PLO would have at some point collapsed under the personal corruption of Arafat.
"With nobody else recording the deaths, nobody could possibly refute...."
Says the half-wit who also wants laws to imprison anyone in the USA who says something that they can't substantiate in agonizing detail (and to put the burden of proof onto those accused of "lying").
Or does Hamas just get a pass on the "proof" front because they share your bloodlust for completing a genocide that both you and they also claim was never begun?
The Palestinian health ministry is recording the data. They are seeing and processing the bodies in their records.
There is no contradictory evidence.
It’s the best information we have until someone has better. Thats good enough for now.
The German government has records showing that roughly one million people were transported to Auschwitz and its associated camp for female prisoners. When the camp was "liberated" by Russian forces in 1945, there were 9,000 prisoners remaining in the camp.
There's no contrary records indicating those people were either not taken to those camps or that the 990,000 who weren't there in 1945 were ever transported to somewhere else. There are also written records of the orders, and confessions by those who received such orders to murder all of the prisoners in all of the camps before they were captured by opposing forces.
There is no evidence contradicting any of that.
Yet you choose to believe one without question, and won't consider the possibility that the other might be true.
Other than which side of the killing the Jewish participants happen to be on, and the average outdoor temperature of the places where each of these are happening, what's the difference which makes the unsubstantiated claims unquestionable and the ones which are widely accepted as historical fact some kid of "conspiracy theory"?
To put it another way, you've established on these threads repeatedly that something being "the best information we have" isn't sufficient as proof in a general case unless there's verifiable hard evidence to support every detail of the claim. You've even repeatedly emphasized that whoever makes the claim takes on the sole burden of providing complete and incontrovertible proof, or else they are "lying" (your definition of the term, not mine or that of any other sentient being I'm aware of) and should be considered a criminal and imprisoned, and not to be released even in the event that whatever claim they made were to be proven true with incontrovertible evidence.
What is it that makes the claims coming from a theocratic terrorist organization that's bent on someday completing the total extinction of an entire ethnic group now subject to a lower standard of evidence than what you repeatedly apply to ideas that you haven't been indoctrinated to agree with?
Too bad it’s a crime punishable by imprisonment to refute that story in Germany with correctly applied logic and science.
So many bodies would leave physical evidence of their existence or the absence of matter would refute the story.
But refuting the story is a crime and nobody has ever conducted an objective forensic analysis.
Prisoners were regularly transferred between camps as labour was required.
The Red Cross visited every camp including aushwitz regularly to look specifically for mistreatment and record the cause of every death.
They never suspected anything like a holocaust and recorded a total of a little over 200,000 deaths over all the camps they visited for the entire war.
There’s plenty of contradictory evidence for the bullshit WW2 holocaust story.
I’ve presented plenty of it many times here over the years and nobody, especially you has ever refuted anything that I’ve said.
There's also 12 million people who went missing off of the planet. during those years, and were never seen alive again anywhere. Where did they go? If 900k people were taken out of Auschwitz by train, and transferred to other camps, where are the records (this is Germany we're talking about)? If you think the transfer records were possibly destroyed, why not also destroy the records of the initial transport? The estimate for the total number of prisoners in all of the camps when they were liberated was 250k, even assuming all of those, and all of the 200k who the Red Cross recorded as dead, were part of the 1 million transported to Auschwitz, that still leaves more than 500k people completely unaccounted for, and to get to that requires a completely unsupportable assumption along with the additional insane idea that nobody was ever initially taken to any camp other than Auchwitz.
According to the records and the personal accounts of the people who were at and who operated Auchwitz, the bodies were burned and the ashes mixed into compost used in farming, or concrete used in roadbeds, or simply dumped into a nearby river, although there are still significant amounts of residual human ash around the crematoria at the camps as well. Even if someone were to dredge the Baltic sea 80 years later, what would you expect to be found of the ash which was dumped into the river?
You're deliberately creating some bizarre standard of proof which can't possibly be met as a pretext for your claim that it proves that nothing happened. By the logic you're using, it would be reasonable for anyone who doubts the Hamas counts of deaths in Gaza to demand to have all of the corpses dug up and their left ears cut off and retained to verify the count; in some ways more reasonable because the likelihood that the bodies in question would have completely decomposed (if they hadn't been incinerated) at this point is 0% as opposed to 100% for those buried in mass graves in the early 1940s.
2/3 of the nonsense that you think constitutes "proof" is actually a subjective interpretation of a piece of paper written by people who had no personal involvement in the Holocaust. Nobody has ever "refuted" any of that because there's nothing there to refute. You claim that the Jews somehow forced the UK to enter WW1 as a result of the "Balfour Declaration", the UK government and historians say that the declaration was written in order to gain support from the Jewish population for the Government's desire to enter the war; neither of those interpretations can truly be proven with objective physical evidence, the general consensus among historians was reached based on information from multiple sources whereas your opinion comes from indoctrination you received while growing up in a violent cult.
"The Red Cross visited every camp including aushwitz regularly to look specifically for mistreatment and record the cause of every death.
They never suspected anything like a holocaust and recorded a total of a little over 200,000 deaths over all the camps they visited for the entire war."
The International Red Cross never inspected the camps, all of their information came from the German Red Cross (every member of which were personally subject to coercion by the totalitarian Nazi government at the time). Further, three months after the order was issued from Berlin to begin the exterminations at the concentration/labor camps, the German RC told the International organization that they'd no longer be supplying any information related to relocated Jews in the camps.
By March 1945, the International Red Cross only had possible location information regarding 56,000 out of the millions of people sent to the Camps, and didn't have proof of life for any of those individuals, but had been granted permission by the government to send food parcels to those individuals (who had no ability to respond or even confirm receipt of those parcels).
https://www.icrc.org/en/document/icrc-wwii-holocaust
You wanted refutation of some of your "proof", here it is. Your claim of "thorough inspections of all of the camps" and that it went on through the entire duration of the war is complete bullshit.
Yes, Free Palestine from Islamofascists and Jew-Haters like you who put civilians in harm's way and extort civilians to fund their rockets and tunnels!
Fuck Off, Nazi!
The KKK has reimerged on our college campuses with a new islamic partnership face.
The KKK has always (historicaly) been democrats. Always.
Once again it's democrats.....
Demanding... - You dirty Jews - Now! - To a gas chamber - Go!!!!!
Hahaha
Wrong. The KKK elected Ed Jackson as Governor of Indiana, and Clarance Morley as Governor of Colorado. Both were Republicans. In Massachusetts, the famously corrupt Democratic politician James Michael Curley organized bands of Democratic Irish thugs to break the bones of Republican Klan members in the Boston exurbs. Al Smith, Democrat, ran for President on an anti-Klan platform. Calvin Coolidge, Republican, made sure that the Republican National Convention would not even discuss the Klan because they were an important part of the Republican base outside the South.
At many of these campuses, Jewish students make up a significant portion of the organizers of the protests. Also, there's no "Holocaust" happening in Gaza since only a tiny fraction of the world's Arab population (and an even smaller fraction of the world's Muslim population) is involved. Because word "genocide" has been defined down so far to make Gaza fit into it, it's hard to imagine that even Misek's denial could hold up to continue to pretend that nothing fitting that definition happened in the 1940s; regardless of what happened to the million or so people who were taken to Auchwitz from 1940-1944 and who weren't there when the Red Army overtook the camp, the mere act of relocating all of the Jews out of the Warsaw ghetto and taking them to some other place would qualify under the definition of the term that's being applied to Gaza. There's an outside chance that Kristallnacht alone, or forcing all of the Jews in Warsaw to segregate into the ghetto in the first place might qualify as genocide under the modern usage of the term.
The Netnayahu government doesn't need speech policing at US Universities and Colleges to "get away with" anything. They're getting away with it already, and the only "courts" which have moved toward calling out any of it have literally no enforcement capability or means of making a ruling at any level that's more than symbolically binding on anyone. The US government will continue to back their play as long as the majority of people who actually vote are old enough to remember when the two principal tactics used by the "freedom fighters" of the PLO were bombings of civilian targets (markets, restaurants, transit busses, nightclubs, etc.) in Israel including the use of women and children as suicide bombers, and hijacking US and European airliners to ransom civilian hostages since trying that with an El Al flight just got their hijackers killed in Entebbe (and possibly a handful of PLO leaders snatched up off the street by Mossad).
That said, the policy they're talking about now with federally-paid enforcers of ideology being placed anywhere, especially college campuses, is a flagrant violation of the 1st Amendment. Further, the ADL trying to conflate anti-zionism and all criticism of Israeli policy is a suppressive tactic that's been in widespread use by the left for so long that it's somewhat ironic to see them now trying to call a foul just because they've chosen to move the Jews out of their ideological "victim" column and into the "oppressor" side of their moral ledgers. Seems like maybe the remaining wisps of distinction between the actual racists and the "anti-racists" are starting to be more openly discarded.
Your denial of the genocide aka holocaust in Gaza is based on your own personal and faulty definition of genocide.
Both Israel and the US are signatories to the UN definition of genocide which will soon be used to issue arrest warrants for Netanyahu and his complicit ministers.
If the US or any other signatory nation support a regime with warrants for genocide they are in direct violation of their signatory obligations.
I'm not denying what's happening in Gaza. I don't buy into the notion that it's an actual genocide on the level of what was done to Armenians under the (Muslim) Turks of the Ottoman Empire, or to the Jews in Europe in the 1930s-1940s.
What I've repeatedly said is that in order to make Israel "guilty of genocide", the UN and others (mostly on the left, but their general thinking isn't actually as different as they'd like to believe from that of declared White Supremacists like yourself) have altered the definition of "genocide" to the point where the Holocaust of WW2 would actually contain scores of sub-components which would individually qualify, such as Kristallnacht, and the "clearing" of the Warsaw ghettos when the Jews there were loaded onto trains bound for Auchwitz. I'd say that what's been happening in Gaza over the last 20 years from the Israeli side has been somewhat comparable to the establishment, and now clearing of that ghetto, but isn't anywhere near on par with the larger effort of the "Final solution"; with the exception that the Warsaw ghetto wasn't launching V2 rockets and unguided "buzz bombs" at Berlin with regularity along the way.
Give it a few more years, and they'll have defined the term down to a point where virtually every Muslim/Arab nation in the world could be convicted of "genocide" based merely on having laws prohibiting homosexuality. Or maybe the Scandinavian countries will draw charges based on their following the actual science and rolling back the use of "puberty blockers" for young children who are thought to be gender-dysphoric and are now making them wait until they're older to transition (since 70-80% of those who started at young ages ultimately de-transitioned because they were actually just homosexuals who were mis-diagnosed as dysphoric).
Just look at what the left (especially in the USA) has done to the meaning of the word "liberal" since the 1990s. Modern "liberal" belief is diametrically opposed to most of the fundamental tenets of what amounted to liberal thought going back to the enlightenment; redefining newspeak is and will always be an ongoing process for adherents of that ideology.
Your “buy in” isn’t required.
The definition of genocide is accepted by every signatory nation including Israel and the United States.
Israel is committing genocide by that definition.
Your delusions of grandeur, your thought that your definition is the one that matters, is ridiculous.
Hahaha
If you accept the currently used definition of genocide, then you will have to give up your delusion that there was no genocide taking place in Germany and Nazi occupied Europe in the 1940s.
Under the definition of the term which makes what's happening in Gaza a "genocide", the deportation of Jews from Vienna to Poland was genocide, the "clearing" of the population of the Warsaw ghettos to Auschwitz was genocide, the rounding up of "gypsies" was genocide. Under the definition of the word that's being applied to Israel, there at least scores, and probably hundreds of instances of "genocide" which occurred during the duration of WW2, and that's just in the time prior to January 1942 when the order to begin large-scale killings of prisoners in the concentration/labor camps was issued.
Since the term "genocide" was originally created to describe the mass killings of Armenian Christians by the Muslim-run Ottoman Empire and the Nazi Holocaust in the 1940s (although it would also apply to the actions of Cortez and the Spanish colonials toward the indigenous populations of Central/South America), it's entirely accurate to say that the term has, over the last 80 years been "defined-down", possibly for the purpose of making it a term that could be applied (by those who sought an excuse to do so) to the State of Israel specifically.
It isn't a genocide at all. Even if you accept Hamas's unvetted casualty figures, they are much Much MUCH lower than in other urban conflicts of the past century: Nanjing, Stalingrad, Budapest, Manila, Berlin.... If Israel wanted genocide it would have killed hundreds of thousands by now. It is purely an anti-Semitic meme promoted by modern day Nazis.
The definition of genocide used by the UN which Israel and the United States are signatories to, doesn’t mention the number of casualties because that is irrelevant.
Your opinion on the definition is also irrelevant.
Genocide
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The Genocide Convention establishes in Article I that the crime of genocide may take place in the context of an armed conflict, international or non-international, but also in the context of a peaceful situation.
The UN doesn't have the best track record for human rights. After they put a batch of Muslims in charge of their Human Rights committee they lost any respect on that front.
To be fair to the UN, Muslims aren't inherently disqualified from understanding human rights. If Indonesia had been put in charge of the committee it wouldn't have been remotely controversial (the committee also wouldn't have spent the entire balance of its term issuing nothing but condemnations of Israel under an Indonesian leadership).
Putting Syria in charge while Assad was the current head of state (which was done), is another issue altogether. So was the term when the committee was headed by Cuba, and the one under Venezuela during the Chavez regime. It's a wonder that they never put Rwanda, North Korea, or Ivory Coast in charge of the thing.
There should definitely be some kind of basic standard that if citizens fleeing from your country qualify for political asylum or legal refugee status in more than 80% of OECD nations, maybe your regime isn't fit to oversee human rights for the world as a whole.
"correctly applied logic "
You keep using this phrase, literally nobody else think it means what you think it means.
Maybe you could explain to us all how it differs from the rules of logic as they've been commonly accepted for more than 2200 years since the time of Aristotle and Plato?
Better yet, if you could demonstrate how exactly humanity has generally been doing logic "wrong" for over two millennia and why whoever came up with the rules you use isn't generally regarded as possibly the greatest philosopher in human history (and maybe also the wisest person to have ever lived)?
For example, in Aristotle's logic, all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. In "correctly applied logic", are all squares actually isosceles triangles and all rectangles octagons? In which case, since all squares are still rectangles, does that make them triangles, or octagons, or maybe somehow both?
Ever heard of faulty logic?
That why I use the term “ correctly applied logic” to be perfectly clear for fuckwits like you.
You’re welcome.
Half of your alleged "disproof" of the Holocaust rests on the fact that particular types of forensic analysis (which didn't exist in the mid-20th century, and couldn't possibly produce a conclusive result 50+ years after the fact if they were run on thoroughly decayed tissues mixed into the soil) were never conducted on certain sites. The idea that absence of proof equals proof of absence, is by definition "faulty logic" (actually it's a logical fallacy); so yes, I've seen plenty of examples on these threads alone.
Ever heard of logical fallacies?
Every example I've ever seen of what you consider to be "correctly applied logic" has been a "textbook example" of one or more types of fallacious logic.
"Correctly applied" doesn't mean that whatever follows and which you pretend qualifies as "logic" is actually a misconstrued, mis-interpreted, or incorrectly translated version of something which may or may not even be an objective fact.
The only thing that's perfectly clear is that your thinking is that your knowledge of logic is less connected to reality than your conception of history. Are you aware that there are organizations which can help to de-program people who were raised in cults like the one your family was in back at Hayden Lake? There might even be one or more there in Whitefish, but Richard Spencer isn't running one, so you might want to expand your social circle a bit.
You’ve ha plenty of opportunities to refute my statements regarding the bullshit WW2 holocaust story where the poor persecuted Jews are perpetual victims.
From you, crickets.
If you disagree, describe where you’ve refuted anything that I’ve said and provide a link.
Listen for it… crickets.
I just refuted your fantasy that the Red Cross conducted regular inspections of the camps throughout the duration of the war.
The problem with refuting most of your "proof" is that it's mostly subjective interpretations of circumstantial details, and always takes which diverge entirely from the accounts of those details given by the people/organizations which had direct involvement with their creation (writing of a personal letter or inter-agency memorandum, for example). Nobody is refuting your subjective fantasies because there's no way to refute a subjective position.
To paraphrase stoic philosophy (and a half dozen other global systems of thought which have made the same realization), it's impossible for anyone to learn something which they think they already know. Because you choose to believe that a particular document has some specific meaning, there's literally nothing that will ever change your mind on that; if the author of the "Balfour declaration" were alive today and stated publicly that the intention was to gain Jewish support for the British entry into WW1 as opposed to creating a tool which somehow allowed Jews in England to compel their government to enter the war, you'd dismiss such a statement as being the result of some unseen duress applied by the global Jewish conspiracy (just as you already believe is the case with the personal eyewitness accounts of the Camps from surviving prisoners, the German soldiers and officers who staffed the camps, and the US, UK, and Russian soldiers who recaptured the sites of the camps in the final stages of the war).
Your belief that tens of thousands of individuals of up to a dozen different nationalities, including those attempting the "following orders" defense in a war crimes tribunal before facing capital punishment, were all somehow bribed or otherwise influenced to make corroborating false claims is based on no actual proof and is yet unshakable. How could anyone possibly "refute" a completely unfounded claim? Especially when to do so would require finding evidence of something having not happened (what possible proof could be produced to show that no bribes were ever paid?)
Nobody "refutes" you because you're the Black Night from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, a limbless stump somehow remaining upright on the ground insisting that your severed arms and legs are "just a flesh wound" and declaring victory over those who are continuing along the path you're claiming to have barred passage through. Attempting to debate you is like arguing with a random number generator, there's nothing to be accomplished and barely more than that to be disputed in the first place.
To defend our right to speak for morality, we defend the right of others to speak againat morality.
How's that working out for you?
That doesn't matter. Principles define us. Defending Free Speach is a principled position one takes because suppressing speach only makes the suppressed play their victim card more and makes moderate folks think maybe those wackos have something right.
Well, it was working out pretty well until people stopped doing it.
Ummm... in.principle... I guess...
But how is chosing sides in the middle east moral or immoral? Everyone's a religious fanatic and the best option is to nuke it all from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
No problem with defending free speech even for evil viewpoints, but subsidizing their platform with taxes is another story.
Stop the COLUMBIA Act, but end Federal and State funding for dens of stupidity and hatred too!
By the bye, are Secularist Israelis morally equal to Islamofascist Hamas? If you think this, then you’ve gone back to Bizzarro World!
I doubt the secular Israelis have much pull in their government.
Israel has the most Secular and non-observant people of any nation in the Middle East.
Zionism was a Secular movement of mostly Secular Jews and has a friendly entry in The Encyclopedia of Unbelief Edited by Gordon Stein.
Either know which side the bread's buttered on or be the main course. And Israel is cake for this here Howling Atheist.
There were religious Zionist movements before there were secular Zionist movements.
I don't accept the delusions of the Israel Israel Uber Alles crown anymore than the delusions of the rag head lovers. You're all poisoned by your propaganda.
Aledgedly our government is secular but there's a shit ton of religion in the decision making process.
All three of the members of the current War Cabinet that is making all the decisions now are secular Israelis. In fact, there has only been one religious Prime Minister of Israel in its entire history -- Naftali Bennett.
I'm starting to suspect that maybe a lot of it is more Arab Nationalism dressed up as "defending Islam".
The Arab nations who have been using the treatment of the "Palestinian people" as a pretext for decades weren't nearly as upset over hundreds of times more Muslim Pakis being killed by Hindu Indians in Kashmir, or by Muslim Albanians being ethnically cleansed by Christian Serbs in Kosovo; there definitely wasn't any objection from any nation in the Middle East when Arab Muslims started to exterminate African Muslims in South Sudan and Darfur.
The House of Saud, while denying entry to any non-government traveller with stamps from Israel on their passport only sent $1Million in aid to help the world's most populous Muslim nation (Indonesia) recover and re-build its coastal cities after the devastation of the Tsunami in 2004.
The two factors which make the conflict in Israel different from all of those instances are that the Muslims who are suffering are Ethnic Arabs, and that it's happening at the hands of Jews, but largely made possible by the assistance of western secular democracies who have also prevented the multiple attempts over the last 76 years to drive the Jewish population of the region "into the sea" (including a war declared by those Arab nations on the same day that the UN instituted the partition of a nation which has never in human history existed).
The two factors which make the conflict in Israel different from all of those instances are that the Muslims who are suffering are Ethnic Arabs, and that it’s happening at the hands of Jews,
Only half-right. Muslim Arabs are suffering because of Muslim Arabs and Muslim Persians in Iran egging them on to fight Israel, a nation of Jews and Arabs and other ethnicities and all creeds and none.
Israel is relatively secular for the region, but its current incarnation was created for the purpose of establishing an ethno-state for Jews.
If the people claiming to be the "indigenous" population of a patch of land which was named for ethnic Greeks (Philistines) by an Emperor of Rome (Hadrian) during an occupation that occurred more than 400 years before the bulk of the Arab population moved in (Year 165 vs the 7th century) weren't ethnic Arabs, would any of the surrounding Arab/Muslim nations (there are some theories that modern Iran is actually populated by Arabs and that the actual Persians were more or less exterminated during the Mongol conquest of the area under Genghis Khan) bother to get involved at all given their lack of apparent concern for (and in one region perpetration of) the death and suffering of the Muslim "brethren" who happen to be of other ethnicities.
Genghis Khan didn't conquer Iran. And it wasn't even ruled by Persians prior to the Mongol invasions.
There was no Iran when the Mongols conquered the land it now occupies, and by most historical estimates, at least 90% of the Persian population died during or as a result of the conquest. It might not have all taken place under Genghis Khan alone. The Mongols only managed to conquer about half of modern Iraq, and a small portion of Syria, but at its peak their empire included all of the land which is currently called Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Persia_and_Mesopotamia
https://www.deviantart.com/universallyidiotic/art/Peak-Mongol-Empire-Modern-Borders-Modern-Overlay-887091771
It's also easy to see how the use of "monitors" for hateful speech could be expanded to cover just about any controversial topic, suppressing any speech that runs foul of a representative's pet issue.
Both parties agree that that is a good thing.
Both parties agree that that is a good thing.
NOT A DEMOCRAT PEOPLE!
(Trump-Monkeys in unison)
Hey now. Rep Lawler an anti trump uniparty member shows it is both sides.
"Totes" not a Democrat. You forgot to use middle school terminology.
You realize that the appending of "totes" by RMac is in mockery of you, right?
I don’t know nor care about how you guys score points.
By the way, why aren’t you criticizing the Republicans who are half of the bipartisan support for this?
I'll criticize them both. Fuck you both sides for supporting this.
But you can't do it. You can't.
"I don’t know nor care about how you guys score points."
Which is totes weird because you're the only guy who ever talks about them.
I’m sure Big Mac has it written down somewhere. Along with other grudges going back to middle school or earlier. What was the teacher's name?
You’re just too stupid to understand much of anything, aren’t you drunky?
"NOT A DEMOCRAT PEOPLE!"
That's right, Plugy. It's somehow always "BOAF SIDES!" for you two when the Democrats are caught being undeniably shitty.
Either way, he belongs in a landfill.
Notice the usual suspects are not criticizing the bipartisan nature of this legislation. That would mean being critical of their beloved Republicans. You know, the party that's supposed to stand up for the Constitution. Stuff like this is expected from Democrats. But Republicans? I thought they were supposed to fight this kind of thing, not join in.
"beloved Republicans."
Huh?
I'm sure I'm not included in the "usual suspects" you are complaining about; nonetheless, I absolutely criticize anyone who supports and votes for this. I want no part of woke speech codes/hate-speech legislation or edicts, which this, in essence, is. Free speech is free speech, whether we like the speech or not.
It's bad enough when the left tries to regulate speech, but I've come to expect it from them. Republicans doing so is, to me, even worse, since the Republican Party claims to be the party of free speech.
The Dems are worse on so many issues, but that doesn't excuse the Reps for unconstitutional actions. I view this unconstitutional the same way I view the federal government "suggesting" to social media companies which accounts to ban/block. When the government is "advising" private entities to do something, there is the implied threat that it won't go well for you to refuse.
It's worse because if Republicans go down that road, then there is no one left who supports free speech. The left is already vehemently against it in all but word, and the only thing even mildly restraining them are the feckless Republicans.
In short, we're doomed.
The Republicans have already gone down that road. Too late.
Most of the worst legislation of the last quarter-century has been strongly bipartisan.
The "Banking Modernization" act which both allowed banks to become "too big to fail" while as a "compromise" also required them to accept more high-risk mortgage borrowers passed with more than 70% support from both parties in both houses. Clinton's signature on the bill which ultimately led to the crash of 2008 was merely decorative at that point.
The "USA PATRIOT" act had nearly unanimous support both at its inception and for its first couple of renewals.
The refusal to take any meaningful action to fix the deep structural flaws in Social Security and Medicare is somewhat "bipartisan" in that neither party can even publicly admit that it needs to be done, despite having numerous reports from allegedly "non-partisan" groups like CBO and the SS Trustees explaining in detail when the shortfalls are coming, and that every proposed "fix" that's considered to be even permissible to discuss is demonstrably insufficient.
Now there's this, which seems to be flagrantly unconstitutional on its face regardless of who is or isn't supporting it. Then again, the same could be said for the intent and result behind the DoEd "dear colleague" letters sent out under Obama, and reinstated under Biden which put every college and university on notice that due process for male students (and especially athletes) facing allegations of improper behavior will not be tolerated and might lead to loss of eligibility for all Federal funding including research grants and student financial aid.
The crash of 2008 was largely caused not by banks but by non-bank financial institutions facing no real regulations at all. It is actually a case study as to why regulations are necessary. Compare for instance Canada and Israel, which has draconian banking regulations. Those two countries had no banking crisis at all in 2008, no crash, and went on their merry ways as if nothing had happened -- because in fact nothing had happened.
The wave of speculation which brought all the fly-by-night operations and unregulated mortgage operations began as a result of the surge of new potential buyers created by the expanded lending requirements of the 1999 "banking modernization" law. While the flood of new mortgage brokers, and lending houses helped to blow up and eventually over-inflate the housing bubble (at least in the markets affected by it), the bursting of that bubble wouldn't have been nearly as catastrophic without the changes to regulation enacted in 1999; primarily, without the repeal of Glass-Steagal restrictions which were included in that law, no single company on "Wall Street" could ever have become too big to fail.
Also, for as much as they lacked regulation, wisdom, and much of that activity was assisted and subsidized by government agencies. Something like 70% or more of the sub-prime loans issued by Countrywide were eventually "securitized" by Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, and that process was crucial to the ability of any lender to continue to write and fund new mortgages through the run-up of the bubble.
118th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 899
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
February 9, 2023
Mr. Massie (for himself, Mr. Biggs, Mrs. Miller of Illinois, Mr. Bishop of North Carolina, Mr. Roy, Ms. Hageman, Mrs. Boebert, Mr. Burlison, and Mr. McCormick) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Education and the Workforce
A BILL
To terminate the Department of Education.
1.Termination of the Department of Education
The Department of Education shall terminate on December 31, 2023.
These guys get it.
Mrs. Boebert? She's a 30-something grandmother with a trainwreck personal life, but she is no Mrs. Boebert. Not anymore.
It's not surprising someone with her track record -- criminal, personal, political, family -- isn't big on education.
It’s not surprising someone with her track record — criminal, personal, political, family —
isn’t big on educationis in government.She is not unusual for the Trump Cult.
The Rev confuses education with Dept of Education
Tell me what aspect of American public education improved after Mr. Carter created the DoE?
"The Rev confuses education with Dept of Education"
Accidentally on purpose. For Kirkland there is no difference between the acquisition of knowledge and the diktats of the state.
Education does not equal schooling, especially when those institutions teach stupidity and hatred with an academic veneer. (How’s that for educated talk?)
Carry On, Klinger and get back to your rat-cage with Herr Misek and Misconstrueman!
For once, you’ve posted something that’s coherent and makes sense. Likewise, sometimes Congresscritters get it right too! Get rid of The Department of Education now!
"Harvard, Harvard über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,"
Joking aside, I understand the impulse to clamp down on antisemitic rhetoric, but this plays into the hands of the apparatchiks and politruks.
In 2018, the apparatchiks & politruki who've been in charge since 1971 ethnically cleansed Harvard's college hymn of the last reference to " Puritans " in its public discourse
And the problem with that is? Most students and faculty are not descended from Puritan ancestors.
this plays into the hands of the apparatchiks and politruks
It doesn't just play into their hands, it will put them (even more) in charge. These new commissars will only go after wrongthinkers, and assaulting Jews isn't wrongthink as long as you shout "From The River To The Sea!"
" . . . legislation that would permit the Education Department . . . "
The most terrifying phrase I have heard in years.
Nuff said. Mic drop.
So, it's a bill to have the administration and the very colleges and universities that have made sport of suppressing conservative speech for the last couple of decades hire an agent whose specific mission is to report on efforts to suppress undesirable speech.
What could possibly go wrong?
Sadly, the GOP is Charlie Brown enough to try to kick this football.
You're not wrong. They think their victim card makes all this ok.
Universities already shut down conservative speech by charging huge security fees for protection against left wing violence.
The status quo obviously isn't working.
The problem is that laws should be enforced for everyone, and that left wing violence isn't only a problem when it decides to go after Jews.
True. Cracking skulls should have applied to the Occupy Movement clusterfucks worldwide, the Ferguson Riots, Charlottesville, the George Floyd/Antifa/BLM Riots, and all the violent shit that has transpired lo this past decade or more.
Free speech and expression, ¡Si! Violence and parasitism, no!
Or is it that violence against Jews is no longer "intolerable" now that the Jews are being shifted from the "victim" designation to being "oppressors" in their own right?
I'm usually pretty good at managing to at least get my head around where those I disagree with are coming from, but I'm not sure I can entirely comprehend what seems to be an idea among the "millennial and Gen Z" crowds that Human History began sometime around 2004-2007 and everything that came prior to that is some kind of fairy tale which makes it OK to assume that Mark Twain should have known that depicting the times he lived in would someday be seen as "problematic".
It almost seems like an intellectual version of the Evangelicals who believe that "fossils were created inside of the rocks to test our faith".
That's not a Gen Z problem only. Humans have a hard time taking anything that occurred before they were born seriously. Deep in the monkey brain we just can't really get that all this shit happened without us being here to see it. You have to try to wrap your brain around history and get a handle on it. Not many people do that. It's why the Middle East will never be solved until we nuke the place from orbit.
Gen Z seems to be going deeper in than most previous generations though.
Whatever my "deep monkey brain" wanted to believe, I've never entertained the possibility that the times which were experienced by the members of my family who I knew (parents, grandparents, and to a small extent one great-grandmother who I think was actually born in the "old country") had actually happened. Nobody in GenX ever questioned the idea that WW2 and Vietnam actually took place in the way that so many Millenials/"zoomers" seem to have doubts that the 1980s and 1990s were a time when humanity actually inhabited the Earth.
Even holocaust deniers like Misek accept that there was a war happening in Europe from 1939-1945....
And to think, 5 minutes ago we were supposed to be up in arms about cancel culture. I'm starting to think we really are living in a bad simulation.
Communicating threats, inciting violence, and subsidizing it all with taxdollars has never been Constitutional, legal, good, or right. Good to see the Red Pill is working there, Neo!
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None of those things should require a "special monitor."
Having been around a lot of Jews, I'd say they've got some epic discrimination lawsuits on their hands. While I don't agree with it, by the left's own "logic," if a young woman merely regrets even *consensual* sex and cries rape, her partner is to be banished from the campus for her to feel "safe." The same should therefore apply to the Palestine protestors should any Jew feel unsafe (and they have the benefit of actual evidence of BEING unsafe).
Agreed that no "special monitor" or new laws are required. Campus Administrators only need to enforce existing laws and police can do so with any crimes they witness without the College Administators doing anything.
The government already mandates falsehoods thru its Woker DEI programs at colleges and universities. Its simple message is : Whites and Jews are Oppressors and everyone else are their oppressed victims.
All the more reason to end their Department of Education Gravy Train.
I am Jewish, and white, and none of the DEI programs I have ever attended have treated me as an Oppressor.
How amazingly Orwellian of them. While I think antisemites are basically trash people, I'm happy they shout their retarded opinions from the top of a tower. It makes it that much easier to avoid them.
If they have to hide their antisemitism, why, then you'd end up with the current day Democrat party.
Also, while today it might be 'antisemitism' watch dogs it could very well be 'climate denier' watch dogs tomorrow. That slope might as well be made of teflon.
Absolutely correct! Let Jew-Haters and Islamofascists both show their asses and let them do it without Government funding! Between these two, they’ll eventually return to their previous status of looney-fringe street-corner ranter selling pencils from a cup.
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And if they rise to the level of communicating threats and inciting violence, they can take up space in prison or get shot by their would-be victims.
"get shot by their would-be victims."
You're one of these 'would be/wanna be' victims, aren't you? Are you ready to start shooting?
I'm not Jewish and I haven't been confronted by campus Antisemites, but to answer your question about shooting these violent thugs:
Fuck yeah, Watermelon Rickshaw Nazi Boy!
The point of this law is to DENY government funding to the Jew-Haters and Islamofascists!
This is a common theme in politics today: People opposing the very things they claim to support.
We thank the Republican sockpuppets for reminding us of the Dem war on electrical energy and the roach in Hunter's ashtray. Pay no attention to Army of God gunmen spraying women's clinics with live ammo to please Hizzonner Alito and Long Dong. Be thankful instead for the choice between giving up the Bill of Rights because Climate Sharknados and losing all rights because Race Suicide, Plant Leaves and foreign Infidels. Forget all about the Libertarian platform that in 1972 freed women from enslavement and ended conscription.
All well and good, Hank, but this fuck-all to do with Jew-hating thugs on college campuses.
"Government Create Speech-Chilling 'Antisemitism Monitors'"
We could take a page from Germany. They have their bureaucracy staffed most with goyim who spend their time persecuting Jews who dare to criticize Israeli atrocities. The good news is this does nothing to 'chill speech' as their street demonstrations have only grown with the passage of time. It is just another indication of state desperation, concern over Israeli's failures to achieve their goals, and fear of a politicized public. The fact that so called Libertarians side with the state, the politicians and the media is just icing on the cake.
Following a growing number of pro-Palestine protests on college campuses
Put it on, Emma. Put on the nose.
These are not "pro-Palestine protests." This is neo-nazism terrorist sympathizing, and an open desire for genocide.
There's a reason no country in the world takes refugees from Gaza. We all know what they are.
Hey, AT, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad and all their Islamic supporters are your buddies on LGBTQs. Maybe you need to take your lumps with all of them and their supporters. Maybe at least the police will put you in the cell next to Queers For Palestine. Oh! Happy day!
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The heck are you talking about?
I don’t want LGBTP people killed like these college morons do. I want them helped. I have done nothing but speak in a genuine desire to prevent the LGBTP from bringing about the future that they are absolutely asking for. They need fixing. The LGBTP are a broken, damaged, utterly lost group of children (many in adult bodies) who are SO lost in the woods they don’t know which direction to face to try and find their way out.
But so long as they convince everyone otherwise, and prey – not ironically like Hamas – on the weak, they’re digging their own graves.
This is entirely in keeping with everything I’ve ever said on the subject. I do NOT want a backwards society of intentionally stunted (in every sense of the word) Arab primitives throwing you limp-wristed child-craving sissies who can’t tell which bathroom to use off rooftops. Nor do I want you dragged to death tied to a truck hitch which you are absolutely just begging to have happen.
I want to help you. Whatever I can do to help break you of this neo-pagan cult these rainbow morons have fallen into, I’ll do whatever’s within my power.
My parents told me about how California campus police rushed to protect Japanese protesters demonstrating against overly harsh reprisals after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Wake, Midway, The Aleutians and the Philippine Islands. Locals taken into Imperial custody were understood to have deserved their fate. Google News archives are full of Examiner pix and articles denouncing U.S. reaction and speeches calling on FDR to forget all about the hostages and focus instead on the bright future. Aren't they?
The ironic thing about these bills 'supporting' Jews is that the evangelical right-wingers don't even like Jews. They just want Israel to continue to exist because it supports their 'end-of-times' narrative in which all the Jews go to hell.
You're not wrong.