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Ukraine

Enough?

Plus: Law enforcement cracks down on protesters, CDC goes after Botox, FTC eliminates noncompetes, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 4.25.2024 9:33 AM

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Cash infusion still not enough: Despite the $60 billion in Ukraine aid that was just authorized by Congress and signed by President Joe Biden, U.S. government officials are quietly voicing their skepticism that this chunk of change will be effective at helping Ukraine beat Russia.

"Russia maintains a manpower and weapons advantage, and it would take a lot to reverse months and years of territorial losses," reported Politico. It's not just a question of winning or losing, in other words, but also whether Ukraine is able to seize back the parts of its territory that Russia had seized in years prior, like Crimea, or Donbas, which Russia seized at the start of the war in 2022. "There's lots of debate about what a winning endgame for Ukraine looks like at this point," a senior Democratic staffer in the Senate told Politico.

Meanwhile, lots of White House staffers claim that the aid package being stalled for as long as it was has resulted in massive Russian gains that will be even harder for Ukraine to make up for. "It's going to take some time for us to dig out of the hole that was created by six months of delay," said Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser.

But massive pressure was reportedly exerted by the White House in order to ensure the aid bill's passage. Per a Washington Post report, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.) was summoned to the Oval Office in late February—along with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.), Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.), and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.)—under the guise of discussing how to avoid a government shutdown. The meeting was actually "a plan to pressure Johnson to push through a Ukraine aid package that was deeply dividing House Republicans," per the Post.

The tradeoffs are awful no matter how you slice it. The White House, and the bipartisan consensus in favor of endlessly depleting America's coffers to pay for wars elsewhere, was able to get its way. But even if you were gunning for the right-wing flank of the GOP that was looking to cut foreign aid, it's also worth contending with the real tradeoffs that would come there, in terms of Ukraine struggling to defend itself from Russia's unjust invasion. European allies have come to its aid, yes, but it's an open question as to whether any of this will be enough.

Tin soldiers and Abbott's coming: At the University of Texas at Austin, law enforcement appears to be responding quite aggressively and indiscriminately to anti-Israel/pro-Palestine student protesters. They have arrested more than 50 people (including a photojournalist) and seemingly went after those doing nothing more than peacefully protesting.

It's important to me to be able to call balls and strikes, and, look: Readers of Roundup know that I think the Columbia student protesters are crazy and the tent encampment should not be allowed on private property but I'm simultaneously not a huge fan of hundreds of Texas state troopers roughing up students for exercising their speech rights.

Plus, it sure seems like Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is more interested in making a show out of this crackdown than respecting rights and avoiding First Amendment lawsuits. In his own words: "Arrests being made right now & will continue until the crowd disperses. These protesters belong in jail. Antisemitism will not be tolerated in Texas. Period. Students joining in hate-filled, antisemitic protests at any public college or university in Texas should be expelled."

But you cannot arrest people for…"hate-filled, antisemitic" speech, all of which is ugly but totally legal.

According to Gov. Abbott's own post, he is violating the First Amendment. A governor can't lawfully arrest people for protesting or for "hate speech." If he's arresting them for other reasons, then he should say so. If he's arresting them for their speech, then he's violating the… https://t.co/Q5aRKR5qkn

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) April 25, 2024

The good news is that, as Austinite/The Diff writer Byrne Hobart reports, the protests have been broadly effective:

Following today's protests at UT, the city of Austin has announced a complete withdrawal of all of its ground forces from Gaza, and while airstrikes will continue they will be restricted to retaliatory actions exclusively on military targets.

— Byrne Hobart (@ByrneHobart) April 25, 2024


Scenes from New York: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, coupled with the Food and Drug Administration, are investigating numerous reports of fake Botox in circulation. The Cut is, naturally, all over this. (And don't even come complaining to me that you don't know why this is a Scene from New York. Of course it's a Scene from New York!)


QUICK HITS

  • Harvey Weinstein's felony sex crime conviction was just overturned: "In a 4-3 decision, the New York Court of Appeals found that the trial judge who presided over Mr. Weinstein's case had made a crucial mistake, allowing prosecutors to call as witnesses a series of women who said Mr. Weinstein had assaulted them—but whose accusations were not part of the charges against him," reports The New York Times.
  • Earlier this week, the Federal Trade Commission banned certain types of noncompete clauses. Good commentary on this from Alex Tabarrok over at Marginal Revolution. 
  • Lower than expected earnings report for Meta.
  • Venice starts charging tourists fees for their visits.
  • Except the free market was not "created"—something the Heritage folks should know.

The conservative movement must stop defending free markets (though it is a good) and start defending the American family for which the free market was created to serve.

— Wesley Coopersmith (@WesleyCoop) April 23, 2024

  • What is Zach hiding with his crypto? JUST KIDDING, always read my Just Asking Questions cohost/Reason senior producer/anti-CBDC zealot on freedom money:

The founders of Samourai Wallet have been indicted for "conspiracy to commit money laundering." You might wonder why it's "conspiracy to commit" as opposed to just "money laundering."

It's because what they did was provide a privacy tool that some people could use for money…

— Zach Weissmueller (@TheAbridgedZach) April 24, 2024

  • The incredible resurrection of America's once (and future?) disinformation czar Nina Jankowicz:

Jankowicz, you may remember, wrote a book about Russian disinformation. The only problem: she only had 7 interview sources, and 2 of them, it turns out, were Russian operatives. pic.twitter.com/SMDxPNBY49

— Santi Ruiz (@rSanti97) April 24, 2024

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  1. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Bragg seems to understand the jurisdictional issues of using federal crimes that were dismissed as the basis of the Trump trial. So he has switched gears. And it is ridiculous.

    New York prosecutor Joshua Steinglass told the jury that one of the crimes that Trump allegedly committed in listing the payments to Stormy Daniels as a “legal expense” was New York Law 17-152. This law states “Any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.”
    .
    So they are arguing that Trump committed a crime by conspiring to unlawfully promote his own candidacy. He did this by paying to quash a potentially embarrassing story and then reimbursing his lawyer with other legal expenses.

    https://jonathanturley.org/2024/04/24/alvin-bragg-has-his-trump-trial-all-he-needs-now-is-a-crime/

    Now there are 2 glaring problems with this.

    1) the referenced law is a misdemeanor, not a felony. It is also not in the indictment.

    2) the theory is so broad that the way the DA is using it is running a campaign against an opponent would fall under the umbrella of their theory.

    Jeffsarc will explain to us why this isn't lawfare.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Running a campaign against SleepyJoe is unlawful.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        NYC will not allow mention of Hunters laptop or the Steele Dossier.

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

          Or crossfire hurricane

        2. Super Scary   1 year ago

          If it's one thing the court hates, it's whataboutisms.

      2. R Mac   1 year ago

        Well, it’s now illegal to question election results, so this is really just the logical progression from there.

        1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

          No, it's only illegal for Republicans and Republican supporters/leaners. If you happen to be Stacy Abrams or Hillary Clinton, say, it's no big deal. If you start riots protesting Trump's elections, slap on the wrist. If you're a grandma from flyover country, who walked on the capital buildings lawn, never entered the building and posted on Facebook your support for the protests, it requires months of solitary confinement followed by house arrest, with no electronic media access after you finally make bale (if you make bale) and then a felony conviction, likely with enhanced prison time.

        2. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

          Running against a sitting president is clearly insurrection.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            How about a president sitting in his own, um, waste?

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      The problem with this whole fiasco is Merchan. A competent judged would have dismissed this bullshit out of the gate. But he is hoping Bragg can convince a jury to convict a man of an unspecified crime that does not exist. It's hard to imagine any of this shit holding up on appeal even in New York.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Merchans job from the DNC is to bleed Trump, generate negative headlines, and keep Trump off the campaign trail. He filly understands appeals takes time. So he doesn't care about the law.

        And ironically he will be protected from abuses through immunity.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        The process is the punishment. Even if it ends in acquittals up and down the charge sheet, the time, money, and negative coverage are the desired outcomes. If they can throw Trump in jail for a few days on contempt charges, so much the better.

        1. HorseConch   1 year ago

          That plays hard to the base, but I don't know anyone that trusts the system enough they want to be defendants in a criminal court. If he is acquitted, which seems unlikely due to the judge and jury pool, it will be a real dagger to the Biden campaign.

          1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

            If Trump is locked up, there will be a civil war.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

              It’s not like there’s much preventing a civil war right now, but that might just be the trigger.

      3. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

        he is hoping Bragg can convince a jury to convict a man of an unspecified crime that does not exist

        This is NYC. Piece of cake.

    3. Jerry B.   1 year ago

      I’m starting to wonder if the whole purpose of this trial is to do something that is totally unconstitutional, and then have the MAGA Supreme Court overturn it so the Democrats can claim the fix was in.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        I think that’s one of the purposes, anyway.

      2. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

        And then the Dems can say they have no choice but to pack the Supreme Court (to rescue it from the "corrupt" Republican traitors on the court) after all the election fortifications result in a Dem Senate and Presidency in 2025. (If the Dems pick up a couple more senate seats they won't have to worry about Dem holdouts like Manchin and Sinema were, standing in the way of their efforts to nominate and approve 4+ leftist Justices.)

      3. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

        I think they're hoping (and I'm pretty serious here) that they piss someone(s) off enough that they resort to actual violence so they can have an excuse to go full Post-Reichstag-Fire.

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          ^ This.

          This is something Nardz could never understand. They're deliberately provoking the proles to excuse a crackdown.

          Of course if the proles do nothing that's okay too, because it means they're too demoralized and scared to fight back so they can go even farther.

        2. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

          There's a risk that law enforcement and the military would side against the government in that case. I believe US LEO and soldiers would follow whatever orders they were given, but it could go the other way.

          1. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

            10+ years ago I would have said there's not chance the military would go along with a tyrannical federal government ordering them to commit atrocities against US citizens. Now, many of the traditional military members have ETS'd or been discharged (some for refusing the jab). Add years of the military actively seeking woke recruits, along with a woke-ification of the top leadership, and I don't believe at all that the majority of the rank-and-file military would stand up for the citizens against the illegal orders of the President.

            1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

              That's the way I see it (and all of that goes for cops, too). Maybe we're wrong, though...

            2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

              And like the CCP, any troops sent to squash the public will come from different parts of the country.

            3. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

              Per my son and nephews who are still in, it's still more than half the military that will tell them to piss up a rope, plus the Guard will likely follow their state (and a lot of our combat power are guard and air guard, reserves a bit more wild card but mostly regional, so more likely to follow their region/state). Recruiting is down but the majority of recruits remain traditional recruits. It's the upper echelon that has bought into the woke bullshit, not the troops. And considering what a bang up job the upper echelons done the past two decades, will it really be a loss if they choose the other side?

    4. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

      Even Greece is showing solidarity with Orangeman.

    5. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

      “Any two or more persons…..”

      Wouldn’t they have to charge stormy too?

    6. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

      Wait, does this theory allow the jailing of Biden and the entirety of the IC that conspired in exactly this way to bury the Hunter Biden Laptop and it's contents?

  2. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, coupled with the Food and Drug Administration, are investigating numerous reports of fake Botox in circulation.

    Real botox must legally cause myocarditis to be approved.

    1. Minadin   1 year ago

      The CDC called me last night on my mobile phone with a verbal questionnaire / poll about vaccines. It was really bizarre.

      1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

        Seriously?

      2. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

        AM I BEING DETAINED? Click.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

          He resisted, send in the bearcats!

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

            Are they in trunks?

            1. HorseConch   1 year ago

              That will be the next thing Reason pimps for while decrying the painful deaths caused by the execution drugs.

            2. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

              I'd venture those bears have died of or with Covid by now. But you'd need to check with our resident bear in trunk expert.

      3. JesseAz   1 year ago

        You better have used sir and mam while talking to those highly respected The Scientists.

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          Wait. You shouldn't have inferred gender. Did you even ask for their pronouns??

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            Your worship/milord will probably suffice.

            1. n00bdragon   1 year ago

              milord

              #triggered

              1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                Sarc is right about ML. Just a bigot.

                1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

                  Sarc may come across as a drunken idiot, but in reality he's... well...

            2. Super Scary   1 year ago

              "I don't know if you can hear it over the phone, but I'm kneeling."

              1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

                You better be wearing the kente cloth.

          2. Longtobefree   1 year ago

            The proper use of pronouns (in America) is determined by the rules of the English Language, not by the delusions of those who cannot accept reality.

          3. Minadin   1 year ago

            I do think I misgendered her at least once.

        2. Zeb   1 year ago

          Or the poor schlub at a call center, more likely.

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Are you an employer?

            1. Zeb   1 year ago

              Not habitually.

      4. R Mac   1 year ago

        Fuuuuuck that.

  3. Minadin   1 year ago

    They have arrested more than 50 people (including a photojournalist)

    Journalists: still not a protected class, no matter how hard you wish it. Same rights and responsibilities as everyone else. Police tell *everyone* to clear out, and you think your press badge or camera will save you when you don't?

    Remember the other year when those antifa idiots in Seattle and Portland ALL started wearing vests with those velcro 'PRESS' labels?

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      DoJ has convicted a photo journalist and is trying to convict a second over J6.

      Weirdly never mentioned here by the editors.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        When you live in Rome, you become a Roman.

        The Reason office really needs to get out of DC (and NYC). Compared to the people they meet daily they probably feel extremely libertarian. Unfortunately, that is only because the Overton window around them is now shifted way past Chairman Mao. They've begun tolerating the intolerable, ignoring the unignorable, and excusing the inexcusable.

      2. Longtobefree   1 year ago

        Not so weird at all - - - - - - - - - - - -

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      The movie civil war makes journalists out to be noble heros. This is more unrealistic than Cali and Texas teaming up

      1. mad.casual   1 year ago

        Yeah, the tone-deafness is totally just life imitating art imitating life imitating art. Why can't you schlub kranks just appreciate the brilliance and just throw your money at me to give you 100 min. of escapism that's indistinguishable from reality?

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

        I read an article about that movie which, while it was a very positive review, ironically provided an excellent analysis of why the national divorce is inevitable. When the Jesse Plemons character is asking the journoscum "What kind of American are you?" what he's doing is indicting them for their rootless detachment from their own country. They call themselves "Americans," but they don't actually identify as such; it isn't anything more substantive than a name tag or the jersey of their favorite sports team.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          A class of people who control a country, but don't have any actual attachment or identity to it, are ultimately going to be helpless to even fight for it because they have no emotional investment in its preservation.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

            I’m not sold that this particular class would be willing to let go in any “national divorce”. They’d lose their food, water, and energy supplies to the other side. I think they’d fight (and lose) just to maintain that control.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

              We've all seen how ugly divorces can get when one party decides it either doesn't want the marraige to end, or decides to take as much of it can from the other side and leave them destitute.

              The radical left hates this country's institutions, its history, and the very idea of the US because it's fundamentally not a marxist one, but it loves that power that comes from controlling them and flaunting that in front of their enemies. It's why Orwell was able to capture their character so well in the person of O'Brien.

    3. Randy Sax   1 year ago

      Journalists: still not a protected class, no matter how hard you wish it. Same rights and responsibilities as everyone else.

      From the tweet:
      "authorities appear to be barring any pro-Palestinian protest at all in open outdoor areas of campus — not just disruptive ones. This appears to be a blatant violation not just of the First Amendment but S.B. 18 which requires these spaces be open to protest."

      You are correct, journalists have no special privilege. Police tell *everyone* to clear out. The police do not have the power to tell anyone to clear out.

      1. Longtobefree   1 year ago

        If you look closely at the hip of a cop, you will find all the power he needs.

        1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

          If you look closely at my hip on any given Sunday you might find that same power.

          1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

            This is why from at least the late neo-lithic through the mid-19th century, one of the big differences (and thus one of the first liberties) between a free citizen and a slave was the right to bear arms and the right to private property, especially in the western world.

            1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

              Freedom of speech the other freedoms associated with the 1A were really not considered vital liberties before the enlightenment, but the right to bear arms and to own land were the hallmarks of free men from early civilization.

      2. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

        The University has the power to clear anyone out from improper use of its property and the ability to request police assistance in asserting that power.

        1. DesigNate   1 year ago

          As a public university, I kind of disagree.

        2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

          The university has a responsibility to clear anyone from improper use of its property and request police assistance if necessary.

          The real students are taking their finals for fuck's sake.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

            I apologize. Students are preparing for finals which start on May 2.

            For fuck's sake.

          2. Randy Sax   1 year ago

            An actual peaceful protest (not the BLM kind with all the fires) is not an improper use of its property.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

              An actual peaceful protest (not the BLM kind with all the fires) is not an improper use of its property.

              During the lead up to finals? Yes it is. Do that shit when it is not to the detriment of your fellow students (if they are actually even students). Which, of course, is the exact reason they are doing it now. Their point is to disrupt, not to educate.

              Have you even read the playbook?

            2. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

              Tell that to the narrative spinners around J6. Fuck em if their pet terrorist sympathizers get a taste of the very treatment they so gleefully dish out

  4. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    ...U.S. government officials are quietly voicing their skepticism that this chunk of change will be effective at helping Ukraine beat Russia.

    Who said that was the aim?

    1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

      There is not and never was any possibility that Ukraine would defeat Russia. The only question is, how long will the war be dragged out, and, as a result, how much of Ukraine will be destroyed before it ends. At some point, the Russians will grow weary and finish off Ukraine with weapons of mass destruction.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        But what about my Raytheon stock?

        1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

          Don't worry; there'll be more wars.

  5. JesseAz   1 year ago

    USSC seems poised to take on another J6 case where the DoJ corrupted the law. Demands response from DoJ who refused to initially file a response.

    In this case the trial sentenced a man 2 two different federal misdemeanor charges of physically disrupting Congress. Video shows him walk in, stand against the wall for a minute, then leave.

    Yet the charges DoJ pressed are...

    One of the laws, 18 U.S.C. § 1752(a)(2), bars people from “knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of government business or official functions, engages in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to, any restricted building or grounds when, or so that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of government business or official functions.”
    .
    The other, 40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2)(D), makes it a crime to “utter loud, threatening, or abusive language, or engage in disorderly or disruptive conduct, at any place in the grounds or in any of the Capitol Buildings with the intent to impede, disrupt, or disturb the orderly conduct of a session of Congress or either house of Congress, or the orderly conduct in that building of a hearing before, or any deliberations of, a committee of Congress or either house of Congress.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/supreme-court-takes-new-step-jan-6-case-orders-doj-explain-themselves

    None of the criteria is shown by the evidence. So DoJ charged him for the acts of others.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      "While Mr. Alford was “neither violent nor destructive ... a jury could rationally find that his unauthorized presence in the Capitol as part of an unruly mob contributed to the disruption of the Congress’s electoral certification and jeopardized public safety,” the ruling stated."
      Literally an innocent bystander. And this shit has been going on for three fucking years with absolutely no coverage at Reason. But we're supposed to panic when Abbott clears the streets in Austin.

      1. R Mac   1 year ago

        Unlike Reason I can be consistent in my principles. If the protesters at UT weren’t violating anyone else’s rights, they shouldn’t have been arrested.

        The “protesters” at Columbia clearly crossed that line, but I haven’t seen anything to indicate the protesters at UT did. (I wouldn’t be surprised if they did, I just haven’t seen it). And I agree that if they did, Abbot should say that’s why they’re being arrested, not for “anti-Semitic” speech.

        1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

          not for “anti-Semitic” speech.

          But that’s popular now.

        2. mad.casual   1 year ago

          If the protesters at UT weren’t violating anyone else’s rights, they shouldn’t have been arrested.

          *tilts hand* As indicated, if the TX Troopers hold someone long enough for a witness or whatever to say, "I didn't see them, they didn't touch me." in order to confirm that they aren't someone who was actively obstructing people and subsequently crying journalist, as long as they're not being held for 24 hours without a judge or 72 with, I don't see really see an issue.

          My understanding was that the total crowd was over 300 people and Liz indicates 50 arrests. So it's not like they're blindly sweeping up bystander tourists who just happen to have wandered by with a camera around their neck. And while I've never been to the specific University, 50 arrests for unrest or drunk and disorderly or similar surrounding a non-political event that "got out of hand" doesn't seem bizarre (aside from the fact that a 300 person event got out-of-hand enough long enough for State Troopers to show up).

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

            Keep in mind, as we saw during the Floyd riots, a lot of these "journalists" are just marxist activists with a podcast, and typically are affiliated with the Antifa cells that are fomenting things. Thus, they are often in the thick of escalating the mob's aggressive behavior, so they can screech "I'm with the press!" when the cops come to sweep them up. Notably, they often attack established media in the crowd, because those media sources are capturing the leftists' violent lawbreaking.

            Don't forget, they typically are allowed to get away with this because they are on the left, and have top cover from the mass media and radical left bureaucrats in the federal/state governments.

            1. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

              I listened to the beginning of Steven Crowder's morning show, and he showed footage of the journalist who was arrested. The reporter claimed he was pushed from behind into the Trooper, and inadvertently knocked into the Trooper from behind. It's not true. There was no one behind him for a few feet. So I largely agree with him being arrested for choosing to engage with the Trooper.

              On the other hand, IF it was just a peaceful protest, there was no justification (in my opinion) for Abbot to use such heavy-handed tactics to quash constitutionally-protected demonstrations.

              I also abhor that one of the justifications Abbot gave is to stop anti-Semitism and hate speech. As bad as racism or anti-Semitism is, if all you are doing is speaking or thinking bad things, there is no crime and you haven't violated the NAP.

    2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Example 175,053,573 that America is now a fascist state. The second they first warned that Trump was going to be a fascist, we all knew exactly what they had planned.

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Also interesting that the regime waived their right to respond until ordered by the court. Maybe they really don't have an argument.

      1. Think It Through   1 year ago

        It's a highly fact-intensive question (what, precisely, did this one guy do?) and the USSC almost never gets into the weeds on facts. They prefer to resolve disputed legal issues that may have an effect on future cases. Individual instances of injustice do not usually get review.

  6. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Joe promises to raise your taxes.

    Joe Biden
    @JoeBiden
    Donald Trump was very proud of his $2 trillion tax cut that overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy and biggest corporations and exploded the federal debt.
    .
    That tax cut is going to expire.
    .
    If I’m reelected, it’s going to stay expired.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      You will own nothing and make nothing.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        We will all become sarc? =(

        1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

          A fate worse than death.

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            I best go buy a 30 pack.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

              Bud Light? I hear they’re practically giving those away.

              1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                Thought it had to be Milwaukee Best.

            2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

              Do they make 'em in that size? I haven't noticed or drank in years.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Joe Biden Just Promised America A Massive Tax Hike
      https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/24/joe-biden-just-promised-america-a-massive-tax-hike/
      A careful analysis of the IRS tax data, one that includes the effects of tax credits and other reforms to the tax code, shows that filers with an adjusted gross income (AGI) of $15,000 to $50,000 enjoyed an average tax cut of 16 percent to 26 percent in 2018, the first year Republicans’ Tax Cuts and Jobs Act went into effect and the most recent year for which data is available.
      Filers who earned $50,000 to $100,000 received a tax break of about 15 percent to 17 percent, and those earning $100,000 to $500,000 in adjusted gross income saw their personal income taxes cut by around 11 percent to 13 percent.
      By comparison, no income group with an AGI of at least $500,000 received an average tax cut exceeding 9 percent, and the average tax cut for brackets starting at $1 million was less than 6 percent. (For more detailed data, see my table published here.)
      That means most middle-income and working-class earners enjoyed a tax cut that was at least double the size of tax cuts received by households earning $1 million or more.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        That is only opinion - Jeff

      2. R Mac   1 year ago

        It’s easy to lie when the corporate press repeats your lies.

      3. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        Yeah, but a 1% tax cut on $1M is $10,000. Which is a lot more than a 10% tax cut on $50k (which is *only* a $5000 savings).

        "So the tax cut benefits the rich guy TWICE as much," is what they say.

        Even when the tax cut means you pay $0 (say, you paid $8500 in taxes last year but with cuts in place you paid $0), if someone else saves $100k on their taxes..."It's not fair! I only got $8500 off my taxes!"

        1. DesigNate   1 year ago

          Go to any subreddit and that is EXACTLY their thinking.

          1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

            Percentages are hard for way to many people to understand. How many times have you seen someone claim a decrease from 7% to 3% was a 4% cut? No it was a 4 percentage point cut, but the actual percentage was 60% difference.

            1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

              Many get it just fine. It's just in their nature to formulate things in the worst possible way.

              "Evil Company had $100B in revenue last year and paid $0 in taxes. That's OUTRAGEOUS!"

              Any caveats would be ignored completely. E.g., Evil Company had $100B in revenue but lost $5B. Or e.g., Evil Company had a small profit margin, like 1%, which were offset by perfectly valid tax credits and deductions. Or e.g., Evil Company made $10B in profit on the $100B in revenue, but is still carrying $15B in losses from the previous year which offset.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    ...but I'm simultaneously not a huge fan of hundreds of Texas state troopers roughing up students for exercising their speech rights.

    Disturbing the peace laws for the win!

    1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      And noise ordinance laws, trespass laws, blocking traffic laws, blocking emergency personnel and their vehicle laws, vandalism laws, communicating threats laws, etc., etc., etc....

      The "Free Palestine" protesters should ask the "Jesus Saves"-ers how much some of us tolerate defacing property with stickers and signs. Goof Off™ and Find Out. GOFO, Mofos!
      🙂
      😉

      1. Square = Circle   1 year ago

        The “Free Palestine” protesters should ask the “Jesus Saves”-ers how much some of us tolerate defacing property with stickers and signs

        What about people who put atheist pamphlets into bibles at local libraries?

        1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          I never did that. Go ask someone who did.

          All I did was put in bookmarks in donations to GoodWill and The Salvation Army, which are easily disposable and damage no property.

          If GoodWill and The Salvation Army start refusing Bible donations, I’ll just go my merry way and leave them to theirs.

        2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          By the bye, you're not big on reading comprehension, are you?

          1. Square = Circle   1 year ago

            Hey - I'm not the guy who doesn't understand what the word "irony" means.

            1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

              Hey, I'm not the guy who talks bullshit, hides behind "irony", and expects to be understood and validated.

              1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

                Were you sick yesterday? Because you didn't manage to shoehorn your anti-theism bigotry or creep on Liv in the comment section yesterday. Glad to see you're doing better.

  8. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

    Looks like the “transitory “ inflation is here to stay.
    What’s gonna happen to the price of spittin tobaccy now?

    1. R Mac   1 year ago

      I don’t use tobacco or eat cheesy poofs so I hadn’t noticed any inflation.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Did you buy Taylor Swift tickets?

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          Haha, no. I guess I’m really not living the good life.

    2. Ajsloss   1 year ago

      And why shouldn't it be here to stay, you fucking transphobe? Trans inflation IS inflation!

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Inflation identifies as good economic policy.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    But you cannot arrest people for…"hate-filled, antisemitic" speech, all of which is ugly but totally legal.

    First they came for the blue-haired nose-ringed...

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      And everybody cheered

    2. Yuno Hoo   1 year ago

      How can one tell, what with all the headscarves and masks?

    3. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

      But you cannot arrest people for…"hate-filled, antisemitic" speech, all of which is ugly but totally legal.

      This is for the safety of the "protesters".

      If I'm trying to catch a flight and the airport entrance is blocked, violence will follow. Pepper spray is a good start, escalate as required.

      1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

        An airport throughway and a campus quad are not comparable in this way.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          Well, I’ll expand the itinerary.

          If I’m going anywhere on streets and sidewalks for which I have paid, in any place where I have the right to be, and anyone, protester or not, blocks my way, there is going to be trouble!

          Holding people against their consent when they haven’t been duly convicted of a crime is false arrest, kidnapping, and/or slavery! Pure and simple!

          And professed Libertarians who don’t stand against those things aren’t worth the five syllables needed to say the word!

          I’m looking at you, Roberta!

          Let the “Free Palestine” rabble take to the fish-wrap newspapers or the InnerToobz to express themselves in ways that don’t violate the Individual Rights of everyone else!

          That’s how real freedom-lovers stand for freedom!…Then again, Islamofascists and Jew-Haters aren’t known for that!

        2. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

          We've been told repeatedly that trespassing is grounds for summary execution so anything short of that should be fine for menacing and disturbing the peace.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    ...the New York Court of Appeals found that the trial judge who presided over Mr. Weinstein's case had made a crucial mistake, allowing prosecutors to call as witnesses a series of women who said Mr. Weinstein had assaulted them—but whose accusations were not part of the charges against him...

    It was the dawn of the PoundMeToo Era! We had different rules back then.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      I’m guessing they want campaign donations from Harvey.

    2. mad.casual   1 year ago

      So does Ketanji Brown Jackson still need to be a biologist to determine whether the #MeToo movement’s or The Patriarchy’s con is longer or is just Supreme Court Justice sufficient?

    3. Kungpowderfinger   1 year ago

      Due to casting couch backlog, Hollywood has agreed to absolve Weinstein of his crimes in a desperate attempt to save their dying industry.

    4. American Mongrel   1 year ago

      Is he guilty? Probably.
      Was he railroaded? Definitely.

    5. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      Putting the "Post" in Ex Post Facto.
      🙂
      😉

  11. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Justin Amash
    @justinamash
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    According to Gov. Abbott’s own post, he is violating the First Amendment. A governor can’t lawfully arrest people for protesting or for “hate speech.” If he’s arresting them for other reasons, then he should say so. If he’s arresting them for their speech, then he’s violating the… Show more

    They are ebeing arrested for criminal trespassing. 1A does not give someone the right to protest wherever the fuck they want. Why is this hard to grasp.

    And there is no component of ideological selection of trespassing. None of these places allow tent cities on their property.

    This time of infantile sophist argumentation makes Libertarians look bad.

    And Amash is the same guy who condemned protests at the Capitol. So he can fuck off.

    1. mad.casual   1 year ago

      Once again: the irony of defending free speech by trying to imply you're legally or technically correct in telling people, even politicians, what they can and can't say on Twitter.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Didn't Amash vote for impeachment over Trump asking Ukraine to investigate the firing of a prosecutor?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

          Yes, both articles on that impeachment.

    2. ducksalad   1 year ago

      Lots of people wrong here.

      1. The arrested protestors, for trespassing.
      2. The protestors, for protesting against a university that can't (and shouldn't) do squat about Gaza on either side.
      3. Amash for sloppy writing implying that Governor Abbot was doing the arresting or ordered the arrests.
      4. Governor Abbott for falsely claiming that they were being arrested for anti-semitism.
      5. Governor Abbott for believing that hate speech is a punishable crime.
      6. Governor Abbott for falsely conflating disagreement on the war with anti-semitism.
      7. JesseAz for totally (and perhaps deliberately) missing the point of Wolfe’s and Amash’s criticism
      8. JesseAz for arguing against a strawman that 1A allows trespassing, when neither Amash nor Wolfe said that.

      Who is not wrong here? Liz Wolfe seems to get it. And the police appear to have done their job, if there were a few people dragged in by mistake in a chaotic situation it can sorted out later.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        I’m sorry. How are these camps a 1A violation?

        If Amash wanted to curate an opinion solely about the statements regarding antisemitism he could have done that. He chose not to.

        Hilarious you try to attack my statement accurately stating what they were arrested for. Amash could have made that point clearly and chose not to.

        Amash remains a hypocrite. See his J6 statements.

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          Yeah, regardless of what happened at UT, Amash is a trash hypocrite who assisted the MIC and IC with an attempted coup. He can go fuck himself.

        2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          "See his J6 statements."

          And when he lied about what the Mueller Report said.

        3. ducksalad   1 year ago

          Amash wasn't confusing in the least. "If he’s [Abbot's] arresting them for other reasons, then he should say so."

          Other reasons obviously could include trespassing.

      2. Rick James   1 year ago

        Governor Abbott for believing that hate speech is a punishable crime.

        He's reaching across the aisle with this one. Why do you hate bipartisanship?

        1. Dillinger   1 year ago

          Wheels acts like a (D) for five minutes & they go fucking bananas over the turf invasion

          1. DesigNate   1 year ago

            Fucking Wheels man.

      3. American Mongrel   1 year ago

        In the American system, you can do whatever you want if the voters support you and the judges are partisans. Laws are for chumps.

    3. R Mac   1 year ago

      Were they doing that at UT? The only coverage I’ve seen is the cops arresting people.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Read there were at least 10 arrested bringing in tents. USC as well.

    4. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      Ya, I think Abbott would have come off looking better if he just stuck to "you cant put up tent cities, obstruct public access, destroy public property, etc" and stayed away from "Texas wont tolerate anti-semitism" which just leans into the hate-crimes are real crimes that the left uses. That premise isn't one that should ever be leaned into.

      But he was right to send the cops in, and they were right to give the protesters the bums rush. We are actively watching the left have a toddler tantrum while flailing around fucking up as much shit as they can in the process, and the response is overwhelmingly to give the child whatever they want instead of slapping them across the face and telling them to sit in the corner and STFU. Looks like the kids are itching for a Maoist cultural revolution and they need to get smacked with reality

    5. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

      They are ebeing arrested for criminal trespassing. 1A does not give someone the right to protest wherever the fuck they want. Why is this hard to grasp.

      What's that you said about lawfare? You know where someone is prosecuted for technically breaking a law that's rarely enforced because of political opposition from the authorities?

      1. R Mac   1 year ago

        Again, I haven’t seen any video of what happened at UT, but if it’s anything like what I saw at Columbia they need to be prosecuted.

        1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

          Fair enough. I haven't seen video either so I don't know.

      2. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Since when is criminal trespass a technicality? It is a common crime.

        Honestly curious.

        1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

          Is it common to enforce trespassing on students on a college campus?

          Maybe the protestors were destructive or obstructive and arrest was warranted. I don't know the details. But given Abbott's antisemitism comments, I am cynical.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

            This is Austin. Many of the protesters likely were not students. This is the last week before finals for the Spring semester. Those people need to shut the fuck up and be respectful of those who actually go to college to learn and get a degree.

            They could protest all they want in 10 days without disrupting the campus. They chose now because it was the most disruptive time they could do so.

            1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

              Every article I've seen says they were student protestors that formed from a student walk-out, but you are probably right about outsiders joining in.

              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

                Reporters are not asking the “student protesters” about their program of study. Anyone that has the time to stage a walkout the week before finals is not anybody that should be taken seriously.

          2. JesseAz   1 year ago

            As someone who worked at the student union it happened weekly.

            Hell it happened the night my university lost the national champ game for hundreds of people.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Lower than expected earnings report for Meta.

    Go Woke, Don't Meet Quarterly Projections!

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      That’s one way to cut back on unrealized capital gains.

    2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      They really don't care any more. They have their golden parachutes so they'll be okay, and meeting your fiduciary obligations to the shareholders is like some outdated religious belief.
      No, what really matters now to the modern managerial class is signaling your virtue to the other gentry.

  13. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Harvey Weinstein's felony sex crime conviction was just overturned: "In a 4-3 decision, the New York Court of Appeals found that the trial judge who presided over Mr. Weinstein's case had made a crucial mistake, allowing prosecutors to call as witnesses a series of women who said Mr. Weinstein had assaulted them—but whose accusations were not part of the charges against him," reports The New York Times.

    Interesting. NYC did the same thing in the Carroll suit against Trump. Whoops.

    1. I, Woodchipper   1 year ago

      it turns out that vague accusations from 20 years ago with no evidence to back them up do not count as sufficient evidence.

      1. HorseConch   1 year ago

        But that doesn't work for a bullshit story derived from a TV show because it was 30 years ago.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Except the free market was not "created"—something the Heritage folks should know.

    So I guess God rested the 8th day, too, in your bible.

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   1 year ago

      Work 6 days and take the next 13.5 billion years off. A good gig if you can get it.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

        Even better gig if you actually exist and get it!
        🙂
        😉

        1. Diarrheality   1 year ago

          Yes, everyone here knows you're an atheist.

          Congratulations.

        2. Truthfulness   1 year ago

          God exists. Happy?

          1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

            Sez you.

  15. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

    The money to Ukraine has nothing to do with defeating Russia. It's all about getting kick backs. Let's see what new yatchs and houses the Ukranian oligarchs buy, and what politition get money back

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      It’s all about covering SleepyJoe’s tracks.

    2. R Mac   1 year ago

      Saw a report that there’s more bars and nightclubs in Kiev now than before the war. Didn’t follow up for accuracy but it wouldn’t surprise me.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

        Those Eastern European hookers are gorgeous and everyone sent their wives to the West.

  16. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Except the free market was not "created"—something the Heritage folks should know.

    Unilateral advantaged trade is also not a free market. Something people like Boehm don't understand.

    A free market requires all participants to act in a free manner. Requiring only a subset of actors to disallow manipulation while making excuses for other actors who don't is not a free market. It is a disadvantaged market. No different than a big company advocating for regulations only they can afford to disadvantage competitors. Sadly this is what most bumper sticker economists claim a free market is.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      I want cheap shit, so what if it’s the product of slave labor?
      /sarc

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        You can also get cheap shit by stealing or buying from a thief. Sarc can't grasp that a free market doesn't encourage theft.

    2. Zeb   1 year ago

      The free market exists despite all the things governments do to fuck with it.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        In black markets sure. But even there one can argue the costs of avoiding the law impose a cost related to government enforcement avoidance.

    3. mad.casual   1 year ago

      A free market requires all participants to act in a free manner.

      And, inherent in the "free", a large degree of legal, social, and/or biological/intellectual parity, or agency, between the parties involved. If I, as an adult, convince a child to give up their cow for some magic beans it's not generally or necessarily regarded as a free (or fair) trade even if everyone agreed.

      1. markm23   1 year ago

        Were the beans actually magic? If not, free markets have laws against fraud. Also, Jack wasn't old enough to enter into a contract. A court would reverse the trade if the magic-bean seller could have been found.

        Free market does NOT mean anarchy. That's the pretense of freedom-hating statists.

  17. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

    "Russia maintains a manpower and weapons advantage, and it would take a lot to reverse months and years of territorial losses," reported Politico.

    Well there's your problem - trusting wingnut.com sites like "Politico."

    When I want unbiased analysis of the Biden Era, I consult Palin's Buttplug. He told me Biden defeated Putin over a year ago: Russia is disintegrating. They are near impoverishment. Biden laid the hammer on them. I can’t wait for Putin to be shot in the head.

    #DefendBidenAtAllCosts

    1. mad.casual   1 year ago

      You know who else incorrectly told me that who else was going to be defeated by Biden *and* Ron DeSantis years ago?

      "Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong."

      1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

        Ummmmmmmmmmm can you rewrite that sentence so it doesn't hurt my brain? 🙁

        1. mad.casual   1 year ago

          Do you have a link to a quote from SPBP2 saying "Biden will win." in 2024 that is as wrong as the predictions about court packing and that people should stop whining about election interference?

          Go ahead, tell me that, after shedding your OBL persona, you are just satirically, reluctantly, and strategically calling balls and strikes about how Trump is objectively worse and Biden will win with or without electioneering.

          1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

            That jumbled mess of a sentence made it sound like I predicted DeSantis would beat Trump for the nomination. I don't remember predicting that. On the contrary, since breaking character one of my major themes is that Republicans self-sabotage by doing what Democrats want them to do.

            And I don't know why the court-packing thing is relevant. That prediction was idiotic because it established a firm deadline (six months!) for Biden to accomplish something with basically no precedent in contemporary American politics. Even if I'm wrong in November, the outcome I predicted (Biden over Trump) isn't exactly unprecedented, is it?

            Now tell me how Trump's legal issues actually make him a stronger candidate because black voters sympathize with criminals. Then tell me how bitching about 2020 election fraud was a winning message in the 2022 #RedWave. Finally, tell me how the best way to provide a contrast with Biden's age is to run someone almost as old with visibly higher BMI.

            1. mad.casual   1 year ago

              That jumbled mess of a sentence made it sound like I predicted DeSantis would beat Trump for the nomination.

              So you didn’t (or don’t) think DeSantis was objectively the better candidate? Do you think Joe is the better candidate?

              No matter how you answer either question, how are any of us to distinguish your good faith error from earnest satire from goatfucking satire from typical bad faith sarcasmic/SPBP2 idiocy? Your repeated insistence that Trump is clearly the worse candidate? Your calls that his supporters should shut up about social/election engineering already?

              I mean "visibly higher BMI" is just shy of full blown case of chemjeff-style "Fat Donnie" TDS. You might as well just describe yourself as this forum's Newt Gingrich in 4 inch heels.

              1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

                "Do you think Joe is the better candidate?"

                Phrasing it like that demonstrates you're not even trying to understand the point.

                Biden sucks. He's old, he's past prime mentally, his "prime" wasn't impressive to begin with. Dissatisfaction with #Bidenomics is widespread and entirely justified. As Americans pay more for necessities, our government spends billions on a proxy war to defend Ukraine. And the situation in the Middle East is more grim than usual.

                In a legitimately competitive 2-party system with a competent opposition, Biden would look like a 1-termer. But we don't currently have that system!

                My prediction of a Biden victory has nothing to do with him being a "good candidate." He's just the Democrat. That tends to be enough. Have you been paying attention post-1980s, when only Dems have won truly commanding Presidential victories, and any GOP wins are by razor-thin margins? Quite a change compared to the 80s, when Republicans won 3 consecutive landslides, huh? It's almost like the demographics of the electorate have changed in a way that favors Democrats.

                Every (D) Presidential candidate now starts with a minimum of about 200 Electoral Votes. Which gives Dems multiple pathways to victory, and the potential for outright landslides. Whereas for the GOP it's, "you *must* win this purple state *and* this one *and* this one ...... maaaaaybe you can afford to lose Wisconsin but if so you can't lose *any* more tossups!"

                With Republicans at such a disadvantage, and any (R) victory likely to be a nail-biter, they can't afford to do stupid shit. Like run on toxic #StopTheSteal idiocy.

                "I mean 'visibly higher BMI' is just shy of full blown case of chemjeff-style 'Fat Donnie' TDS."

                Hahahahahaha fuck off with this bullshit! 🙂

                The Presidency is a high-stress 4-year job. When the candidate is near 80 years old, it's natural to wonder if he's even going to survive his term. When he's almost 80 AND overweight, that concern gets amplified.

                1. mad.casual   1 year ago

                  Hahahahahaha fuck off with this bullshit!

                  Why? Did you not intend to say he was fat? Like it’s not an ~50/50 tossup between dying of wasting and dying of a CV event and leaving us with Kackles and The Deep State Flying Monkeys vs. TBD?

                  Is it *me* asking *my* questions wrong and misinterpreting your point? *Again*?

                  Must be my white, male privilege and the continuously shifting demographics of the electorate that cause me to misinterpret what people mean about the things that they plainly typed. Donnie’s BMI must have some political relevance in a demographic like women or body positive individuals that I’m just not in touch with. 🙂

      2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

        Or both. In fact, there were three in the looney bin in Ypsilanti, Michigan.

        1. Truthfulness   1 year ago

          We have over 250,000 people named Jesus in the U.S. alone:
          https://www.mynamestats.com/First-Names/J/JE/JESUS/index.html

          Maybe one of those guys really was Jesus after all, huh.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

            They all may run great food trucks and groundskeeping businesses, but not one is a Son of God told of in The Holy Bible. And by virtue of Laws of the Natural Universe, not one person could ever be.

  18. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

    Deport any and all students who are there on a visa or green card. Same with the Somali pos that were chanting death to America, if they aren't citizens deport them

  19. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    ...she only had 7 interview sources, and 2 of them, it turns out, were Russian operatives.

    Why shop around or vet when you already found sources to confirm your biases?

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Sounds like the evidence Dems had for Trump Russian collusion. Except all sources were Russian.

  20. mad.casual   1 year ago

    But you cannot arrest people for…”hate-filled, antisemitic” speech, all of which is ugly but totally legal.

    *COUGH*

    Title I of the Civil Rights Act of 1968, enacted 18 U.S.C. § 245(b)(2), permits federal prosecution of anyone who “willfully injures, intimidates or interferes with, or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with … any person because of his race, color, religion or national origin” or because of the victim’s attempt to engage in one of six types of federally protected activities, such as attending school, patronizing a public place/facility, applying for employment, acting as a juror in a state court, or voting.

    *COUGH*

    Sorry, I was dusting off some dusty old documents about police being able to detain people based on reasonable suspicion for periods of time up to 72 hours and I must’ve got some in my throat.

    Not that I want to see mostly peaceful protesters arrested but I, many Texans, and many Americans have learned that if we wait until they set buildings on fire and have the media run cover for them, it will proceed to that point and further and we will still be rehtorically backhanded for asserting something should be done about it then.

    I mean, I’m fully willing to have a conversation about the unConstitutionality of the vagueness of “attempts to intimidate”, access to education, and the violation of free speech, *free religion*, *free association*, *and* the right to petition, but then, I’m not the one engaged in an internal struggle session that the ’68 CRA might violate other parts of The Constitution, prima facie.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Well said.

    2. Randy Sax   1 year ago

      Not that I want to see mostly peaceful protesters arrested but I, many Texans, and many Americans have learned that if we wait until they set buildings on fire and have the media run cover for them, it will proceed to that point and further and we will still be rehtorically backhanded for asserting something should be done about it then.

      Didn't know you were a Precog.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

        He's a non-cog.
        🙂
        😉

      2. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

        Do you need to be a precog to think that the sun will rise tomorrow morning?

        1. mad.casual   1 year ago

          I think there might be some sarcasm but, as indicated, you don't have to be a precog to recognize that "permits prosecution of attempts to intimidate" conflicts with "Congress shall make no law abridging the right to free speech or peaceable assembly". Or that deliberate agitators and useful idiots like Liz are (once again) exercising specific ambiguity and trying to divide the baby in half *and* have their cake and eat it too.

    3. Rick James   1 year ago

      Yeah, but that law is like... the Jones Act. No one pays any attention to that old thing.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

        Ackshuyally, he is legally correct, but there are laws that could bust the "Free Palestine" crowd without the CRA. See my reply to Fist elsewhere here on today's Roundup Comments.

  21. swillfredo pareto   1 year ago

    "There's lots of debate about what a winning endgame for Ukraine looks like at this point," a senior Democratic staffer in the Senate told Politico.

    It would have been wise to do that before throwing money at the problem, no?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      Bloated bankaccounts with political kickbacks?

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Not when the intention if the money was to launder money to connected allies. Defense of Ukraine was neemver the goal. Just the excuse.

    3. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

      The only strategy that makes sense is that the money is to forestall ant failure of Ukraine to mid-November for reasons vital to Ukraine, namely the US election.

  22. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

    "Harvey Weinstein's felony sex crime conviction was just overturned"

    I always knew he was innocent. He donates to Democrats so that obviously means he respects women too much to rape them.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Just like Bill Clinton.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        Bill Clinton to Monica Lewinski: Is that a cigar in your pocket?

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      His defense theory was sex was exchanged for roles. ENB should be proud of that transaction.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        The free market at its finest. Now for Jeffy to extend that observation to the kids on Epstein's island.

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          If their parents are ok with it who are we to interfere?

          1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

            Allowing parents to pimp out their kids and make some money of them could help with our declining birth rate.

          2. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

            Chemjeff: If the parents, kids, and doctors all agree, then there is nothing wrong with the kids serving as prostitutes.

      2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

        [*barf*]

        #CastingCouch

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          Wasn't it massage tables?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

            Both, IIRC. Weinstein makes pond scum look good.

        2. mad.casual   1 year ago

          I always knew he was guilty because he hung out around and did business with Hollywood actresses.

          #NoMeansItsJustACouch

      3. Super Scary   1 year ago

        The oldest profession.

      4. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        Sex work, after all.

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

      He donates to Democrats so that obviously means he respects women too much to rape them.

      Didn't help Trump with Carroll.

    4. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      I missed the gritty details of his trial and conviction, but someone remind me what he got officially busted for?

      On the surface he seems like a gross creeper that I would imagine used his influence to sleep with starlets, but what was the illegal stuff? Did he actively rape someone?

      It does seem like in todays world of "sex work is work" and girls selling their pussy IRL or on OF is brave and stunning, these sorts of transactions should be on the up and up.

      Truly curious

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        >>what he got officially busted for?

        consensual sex with the professionally aspirational

        1. mad.casual   1 year ago

          Inability to disprove non-consensual rape given enough allegations.

          Edit: To be clear, the guy is a creep. However, given the "above aboard" stuff which he and certainly other, larger parts of Hollywood culture engage in in fairly wink-wink, nudge-nudge fashion I remain unconvinced that a significant majority of ordinary guys (and many women) wouldn't also be creeps in generally similar circumstances.

          1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

            "I remain unconvinced that a significant majority of ordinary guys (and many women) wouldn’t also be creeps in generally similar circumstances."

            I have a feeling that if given the opportunity to dangle some sort of job offer in front of Salma Hayek to get her in bed pretty much every guy with a dick and any kind of sex drive would absolutely do it in a heartbeat, and this kind of stuff has been the way of the world (esp in Hollywood) forever.

            I was wondering if there was a full on rape charge or anything beyond "well I had to fuck the big fat slob or else he wouldn't cast me anymore". Or was he the scalp that the media demanded during me2

            1. mad.casual   1 year ago

              I was wondering if there was a full on rape charge or anything beyond “well I had to fuck the big fat slob or else he wouldn’t cast me anymore”.

              There was no "I woke up in the ER the next morning, with a broken nose and two black eyes, they collected a rape kit, found roofies in my blood, and as soon as they let me out, I went to the police. They found his skin under my fingernails from the scratches I put on his face." no.

              Just more of the same "At an event 7 yrs. ago I was in a room and he came in and..." that would apply to Matt Lauer or Louis C.K. or Andy Dick or Ed Westwick or T.J. Miller or... relevant today... David Sweeney...

  23. JesseAz   1 year ago


    @amuse
    @amuse
    LAWFARE: Biden’s is gleefully issuing press releases making light of the fact Trump is unable to campaign because of their legal interference. Sick.
    (Picture of press release)

    https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1783391372990369829

    They are mocking trump about their lawfare.

  24. HorseConch   1 year ago

    Bidenomics is working. Annual federal deficit is around 7% of GDP while real GDP growth is 1.2%. Even the hot numbers they were bragging about weren't half of the deficit. I bet if they publish more rosy articles in the Times, the Post, the Atlantic, and Vox we'll realize how good we've got it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/dow-plunges-700-points-worst-day-in-14-months-as-disappointing-gdp-report-accelerates-stagflation-fears/ar-AA1nEuAg

  25. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

    Speaking of disinformation, turns out the new NPR boss cut her teeth running color revolutions for the CIA. Before she turned Wikipedia into a deep state propaganda outlet.
    https://www.city-journal.org/article/katherine-mahers-color-revolution
    During much of 2011, Maher worked for the National Democratic Institute, a government-funded NGO with deep connections to U.S. intelligence and the Democratic Party’s foreign policy machine. The organization was “set up to do independently what CIA had done covertly worldwide,” says national security analyst J. Michael Waller. While initially some distance supposedly existed between NDI and the intelligence services, that relationship has devolved back to “the gray zone,” per Waller, and it appears that they often work in concert. “NDI is an instrument of Samantha Power and the global revolution elements of the Obama team,” Waller explains. “It has gone along with, and been significant parts of, color revolutions around the world. It is very much a regime-change actor.”
    American adversaries such as China agree with this sentiment and have accused NDI of being a “second CIA.” Some nations, fearing American interference, have banned NDI from operating in their territories. In 2012, for example, Egypt accused NDI and other organizations of serving as unregistered foreign agents and working “in coordination” with U.S. intelligence to subvert the Egyptian state.
    During her time at NDI, Katherine Maher was “part of a revolutionary vanguard movement,” says Waller.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Another example of why you can’t have chicks in charge.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        It was just passive aggressive foreign diplomacy.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      She’s got quite the resume. I’ve been reading Chris Rufo’s tweets about her, and she seems quite qualified if you want to run a propaganda outlet instead of a news service.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      Speaking of disinformation, turns out the new NPR boss cut her teeth running color revolutions for the CIA.

      Huh–I was skeptical about her being a glowie asset, as opposed to simply being the natural result of what happens when a scion of champagne socialists is building a career.

      “NDI is an instrument of Samantha Power and the global revolution elements of the Obama team,” Waller explains. “It has gone along with, and been significant parts of, color revolutions around the world. It is very much a regime-change actor.”

      Gosh, why am I not surprised to see that Irish banshee’s name emerge here?

      American adversaries such as China agree with this sentiment and have accused NDI of being a “second CIA.” Some nations, fearing American interference, have banned NDI from operating in their territories. In 2012, for example, Egypt accused NDI and other organizations of serving as unregistered foreign agents and working “in coordination” with U.S. intelligence to subvert the Egyptian state.

      Not a fucking surprise there, either. Obama's Egypt speech was clearly a precursor for a planned region-wide color revolution op that was promoted as the "Arab Spring" when that shit finally kicked off. These guys wanted the Muslim Brotherhood (which started as a charity in Egypt which reflected a cultural marxist mindset long before that even became a widespread philosophical movement in Europe and America) in charge in Egypt in particular, and were clearly miffed when Morsi got kicked out.

  26. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   1 year ago

    Harvey Weinstein's felony sex crime conviction was just overturned:

    We now know that pussy-grabbing is perfectly legal.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Yet, unfortunately for you, kid fucking isn’t legal.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

      It is if they let you.

    3. Sevo   1 year ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

    4. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Consensual pussy grabbing was always legal, Plugly. What you're doing to the kid in your basement, however, is not.

    5. Dillinger   1 year ago

      >>pussy-grabbing is perfectly legal

      anecdata, but after always receiving consent I have never been arrested for this

  27. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   1 year ago

    US conspiracy website Gateway Pundit declares bankruptcy

    https://www.themountainpress.com/news/national/us-conspiracy-website-gateway-pundit-declares-bankruptcy/article_cb4da40d-0c4a-5111-92ec-9b2668c8efa3.html

    THERE FREE SPEECH RIGHT IS BEING DENIED! DERPTY BLOOP!

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Off your meds this morning?

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        He did this story yesterday too. Still can't figure out what point he is trying to make.

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          Buttplug's conspiracy website claims it was a cOnSpiRacY wEbsiTE, so I guess he's doing a victory chant?

          "DERPTY BLOOP!"

          Yup, a victory chant.

    2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

      Poor Buttplug. All that energy spent praising the Biden Admin for the past few years, and it just isn't convincing anyone.

      Americans’ ratings of Joe Biden’s job performance remain more negative than positive and have been largely stable over the last year: Today, 35% of Americans approve of his performance, while 62% disapprove.

    3. Sevo   1 year ago

      turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  28. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

    It's not just a question of winning or losing, in other words, but also whether Ukraine is able to seize back the parts of its territory that Russia had seized in years prior, like Crimea, or Donbas, which Russia seized at the start of the war in 2022.

    Keep in mind, even after the US and UK decided to stick their noses in this to keep the war going (which has ended up killing far more Ukrainians than would have happened otherwise, no matter what the center-right ball-washers claim), Zelensky never even talked right away about even getting Crimea back.

    Crimea has been an obsession of the Nuland/Kagan clan in particular for some bizarre reason, and it started being talked about in the media as a "goal" when Victoria Nuland began bossing Zelensky around after the failed counter-offensive. She might be gone, but her poisonous legacy still remains.

    1. MWAocdoc   1 year ago

      Maybe you're forgetting that the United States helped Iraq during its war with Iran just enough to keep the war going for over ten years? American interventionism has been misguided and expensive in lives for longer than I have been alive. Maybe it's not our Fearless Leaders' goal to save lives or money or achieve victories. Maybe it's their purpose to help keep the world riled up all the time - you know, shaking the tree to see what falls out?

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

        Maybe you’re forgetting that the United States helped Iraq during its war with Iran just enough to keep the war going for over ten years?

        I'm not forgetting that at all. It's the inevitable result of becoming a world power. The question is whether the interference results in something better emerging on the back end, and for the most part we've failed at that over the last 60 years.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          Speaking of which, the main reason Syria helped us during Desert Storm wasn't out of a sense of international probity, it was specifically because they've been allied with Iran for a long time, and Desert Storm was an easy way to shit on Iraq's head with US help.

  29. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   1 year ago

    Fake impeachment circles toilet:

    How the House GOP’s Biden impeachment effort fell apart

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/24/politics/house-gop-biden-impeachment-effort/index.html

    BENGHAZI !!!!!!!! TAN SUIT !!!!!! BLOOP !!! HUNTER BIDENS PENIS LAPTOP DICK PICS !!!!

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      How did you forget your password to a website that you visit every day?

      1. R Mac   1 year ago

        Not just his password, but also his email address. You can click “forgot password” and put your email in and reset it.

    2. MWAocdoc   1 year ago

      You say this like it was their intention to "impeach" or remove Biden from the White House in the first place. What if they were simply borrowing a page from the Democratic socialist playbook and occupying the opposition with assaults on more than one political front at minimal cost?

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   1 year ago

        No, it was always the Benghazi/Swift Boat tactic. Repeat a lie often enough to let it seep into the public conscientiousness.

        Republicans perfected it with Turd Blossom and the Swift Boat campaign.

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          Are you claiming Benghazi wasn't real again, Pluggo?

          Makes sense, because you were pretending that the the bank records, the 200 bank issued Suspicious Activity reports, Wire transfers from China listing Joe Bidens home address, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter’s business partners he said he didn’t meet, the voicemails to his son, the two business partners advertising Joe as “The Brand”, the “big guy” and “the chairman”, the two whistleblowers testimonies, the recorded phone calls between Biden and Poroshenko, the video of Joe bragging about the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor, email showing Joe’s VP office helping Hunter directly, and Hunter’s statements about having to give his father half his income, weren't real too.

          But keep on hoping your DNCNN conspiracy site is telling you the truth.

        2. Sevo   1 year ago

          The TDS-addled turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

    3. Sevo   1 year ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    4. JesseAz   1 year ago

      It didn't fall apart. Schumer chose to ignore the constitutional duty to hear the evidence in the Senate.

      Weird brag about violations of norm.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   1 year ago

        That was Mayorkas, dipshit.

        They should have finished him off but Chuck is a pussy.

        1. Sevo   1 year ago

          turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

    5. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

      President Joe Biden's approval rating, at 38.6%, is the lowest it has been since we began tracking polls in February 2023.

      BIDEN IS AWESOME AND ONLY WINGNUT.COM DISAGREES!!!!!

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   1 year ago

        Joe sucks but 38.6% is not even close to the worst POTUS approval rating this century.

        1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

          Woooooo! Biden has higher approval than late-2nd-term G. W. Bush!

          *pops champagne*

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            Jimmy Carter on line 2…..

          2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            Alright, that made me laugh out loud and the people in the meeting just looked at me. Thanks for nothing.

        2. Sevo   1 year ago

          turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

        3. damikesc   1 year ago

          I WANT HIM TO WIN!!! HE'S NOT THE ABSOLUTE WORST IN RECORDED HISTORY!!!

          Pluggo, feel free to add the word "yet"

  30. I, Woodchipper   1 year ago

    Harvey Weinstein's felony sex crime conviction was just overturned:

    This is great news for unsympathetic defendants with little evidence against them.

    1. Rick James   1 year ago

      But enough about January 6.

  31. MWAocdoc   1 year ago

    “… allowing prosecutors to call as witnesses a series of women who said Mr. Weinstein had assaulted them—but whose accusations were not part of the charges against him …”

    Ahem! Trump trial? So the current trial judge is intentionally making a "crucial mistake" so that Trump’s show trial conviction can be overturned in a few years?

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Democrats see the speed of appeals as a tool to be used.

    2. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

      One does see a pattern in politically motivated cases a tendency to overzealously stack the deck against the politically disfavored defendent.

  32. I, Woodchipper   1 year ago

    They have arrested more than 50 people (including a photojournalist),

    Now do journalists in jail who were at the capitol on jan 6

    1. Dillinger   1 year ago

      those guys are such criminals ~~ all the other jornolists

  33. MWAocdoc   1 year ago

    "Arrests being made right now & will continue until the crowd disperses. These protesters belong in jail."

    Abbott knows, if you don't, that nothing bad will ever happen to him for violating the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution. The beatings will continue until morale improves - or until politicians and officials are criminally punished for violating the law and their oaths of office.

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      “that nothing bad will ever happen to him for violating the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution.”

      Perhaps the Biden administration and the governors of California, New York, New Jersey and Michigan shouldn’t have set such a huge and near constant precedent in the last four years?

  34. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>effective at helping Ukraine beat Russia.

    does this level of gaslight mean nordstream is back online?

  35. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>in terms of Ukraine struggling to defend itself from Russia's unjust invasion.

    only my business if I invest in Ukraine or possess knowledge of Fauci's bioweapons labs and neither is the case.

  36. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Antisemitism will not be tolerated in Texas. Period.

    keep it to your parents' mansions and everything is aces.

  37. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >> I’m simultaneously not a huge fan of hundreds of Texas state troopers roughing up students for exercising their speech rights.

    fine people on both sides now viral 🙂

    1. damikesc   1 year ago

      I still love how Joe has no problem with the kind of thing that, when it happened in Charlottesville, so upset him he ran for President because of it.

  38. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>The Diff writer Byrne Hobart

    props. funny.

  39. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Harvey Weinstein's felony sex crime conviction was just overturned

    even-steven on time served?

  40. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Lower than expected earnings report for Meta.

    irony or meta?

  41. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Venice starts charging tourists fees for their visits.

    stayed @Vegas Palazzo last weekend I'm pretty sure I got the gist.

  42. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Being a "disinformation researcher" means never having to say you're sorry.

    just once could it mean Nina herself has to explain what a disinformation researcher means?

  43. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>don't even come complaining to me that you don't know why this is a Scene from New York

    Scene from New York I want is one of you in on-the-street vid asking one of those idiots what NYPDKKK means

  44. Incunabulum   1 year ago

    >but it's an open question as to whether any of this will be enough

    It is an irrelevant question.

  45. Incunabulum   1 year ago

    > went after those doing nothing more than peacefully protesting.

    Is this more taking the word of the aggressors?

    Like how you repeated Hamas' kill claims?

    1. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

      All the facts in the post here seemed to be sourced from the Austin newspaper article which seems heavily slanted.

  46. Incunabulum   1 year ago

    > I'm simultaneously not a huge fan of hundreds of Texas state troopers roughing up students for exercising their speech rights.

    Is that what they're doing?

    We're the J6 protestors not also exercising their free speech rights?

  47. Incunabulum   1 year ago

    >n making a show out of this crackdown than respecting rights and avoiding First Amendment lawsuits. In his own words:

    Like the Trump trials?

    Make your enemy live up to their own standards. If the Left didn't start nothin', wouldn't be nothin'

    Sauce for the goose and all that.

  48. Incunabulum   1 year ago

    As for the 'journalist' - in America journalists are just people like this everyone else. No special protections or privileges.

  49. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

    Been listening to Supreme court oral arguments in the Trump immunity case. Sullum will not be happy.

    1. Sevo   1 year ago

      Thanks. Needed a smile this afternoon.

  50. hokey   1 year ago

    PAUSE

    1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      In regards to what?

      "Pause" means "Death" with regard to freedom and technological progress, so all the Luddies need to go copulate themselves with splintery wooden dildoes.

  51. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

    The pro-Palestinian protesters are not protesting a "genocide", what Israel has been doing in Gaza is not a genocide, but rooting out a band of war criminals which use the non-militant Gazan population as human shields Rather, they are protesting the existence of the Israeli state and advocating a genocide in calling for its elimination. These protesters are advocating an ugly and dishonest cause.

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Palestine Protester Tries To Argue With Skinhead But They Just Agree On Everything

      1. Minadin   1 year ago

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVcwKsd_kiQ

  52. mtrueman   1 year ago

    They are protesting genocide. Pretending otherwise is dishonest. The notion that protestors are advocating genocide is ridiculous. Most of the signs they carry are calling for an end to the fighting.

    1. Incunabulum   1 year ago

      No, you misunderstand - the protestors *support* Hamas. They're protesting *for* genocide.

      1. mtrueman   1 year ago

        "the protestors *support* Hamas"

        Some do. I don't. I still haven't forgiven Hamas for fighting alongside Al Qaeda, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the US and her collaborators in Europe in the recent Syrian civil war. To make a blanket statement about millions of supporter is bound to be unhelpful or even dishonest. Personally, among the Palestinian militant groups, I prefer the PFLP. Most protestors, especially the Jewish ones, probably don't favor any particular faction, just oppose the genocide, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, collective punishment, extrajudicial murder, and the policies of Israel in general. Many here seem to deliberately confuse anti-semitism with opposition to Israel's government and politicians. Mickey Rat, to his credit, hasn't done that here. Maybe it's his brevity. He didn't mention the hostages or babies being beheaded and raped or even that God himself gave Jews the land, or any of the other propagandistic boilerplate we see routinely bruited about.

        A future with a stronger, more influential and prestigious role for Hamas, which has only got stronger since last year, seems inevitable. I hope they can be tempered by more secular voices with Palestine.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          "Collective punishment?" You mean like Hamas imposes on anyone sympathetic to Israel? Like Islam imoposes on Dhimmi (Jews and Christians,) Kuffir (Polytheists and Unbelievers,) LGBTQ people, and women who dare to assert their Individual Rights?

          Fuck Off, Watermelon Rickshaw Nazi Boy! They'll kill you too when you're no longer useful to them!

          1. mtrueman   1 year ago

            " You mean like Hamas imposes on anyone sympathetic to Israel? "

            Not at all. Israel's Jews are all well watered and fed, and Israeli queers continue to fuck and suck their chosen partners, life goes on.
            You're sympathetic to Israel, aren't you? Tell us about your suffering due to the collective punishment Hamas has imposed on you.

    2. Zeb   1 year ago

      Maybe some of them think they are protesting genocide. But that does not reflect reality. Hamas, on the other hand, explicitly calls for genocide.

      1. mtrueman   1 year ago

        "Hamas, on the other hand, explicitly calls for genocide."

        Against Jews? I doubt it. Netanyahu's government has over the years handed Hamas large amounts of money and entrusted them with the running of Gaza. Your accusations are shrill and baseless. Where did you here them first? I think you should seriously look into these accusations rather than mindlessly parroting them.

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          IT'S IN THEIR FUCKING CHARTER, SHILL.

          ...This Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement, clarifies its picture, reveals its identity, outlines its stand, explains its aims, speaks about its hopes, and calls for its support, adoption and joining its ranks. Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised...
          Article Seven...
          ...Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
          "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem)...
          ...Article Fifteen:
          The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters...
          Article Twenty-Eight:
          The Zionist invasion is a vicious invasion. It does not refrain from resorting to all methods, using all evil and contemptible ways to achieve its end. It relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and according to its instructions. They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.
          Arab countries surrounding Israel are asked to open their borders before the fighters from among the Arab and Islamic nations so that they could consolidate their efforts with those of their Moslem brethren in Palestine.
          As for the other Arab and Islamic countries, they are asked to facilitate the movement of the fighters from and to it, and this is the least thing they could do.
          We should not forget to remind every Moslem that when the Jews conquered the Holy City in 1967, they stood on the threshold of the Aqsa Mosque and proclaimed that "Mohammed is dead, and his descendants are all women."
          Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the cowards never sleep."...

          And that's just the small fraction of the genocidal rant that calls Jews by name, and not as pigs, dogs and Zionists.

          1. mtrueman   1 year ago

            You should read the Hamas charter of 2017. You would be relieved to learn that the antisemitic language has been thoroughly scrubbed and replaced by antizionist language:

            "Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
            Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, antisemitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage."

            1. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

              Hamas rejects persecution, hence attacking a concert, taking civilians hostage and raping female prisoners to death.

              1. mtrueman   1 year ago

                None of that amounts to "explict calls for genocide", which is what Zeb initially claimed. The lesson here is don't underestimate the fury of the persecuted, or as the good book says, reap what ye sow.

                1. Sevo   1 year ago

                  You are a slimy piece of antisemtic shit, aren't you?

                  1. mtrueman   1 year ago

                    I'm not that slimy.

                2. Diarrheality   1 year ago

                  The lesson here is don’t underestimate the fury of the persecuted…

                  The real lesson here is Hamas is done, and the Palestinians ultimately will be better for it. October 7th was the Rubicon.

                  1. mtrueman   1 year ago

                    "The real lesson here is Hamas is done"

                    I think it's stronger than ever, and their brand of Islamism is bound to spread, gain influence and prestige. Just look what's happening in the US. Student movements like Occupy Wall Street all tend to fizzle out after a few short weeks. With this business in Gaza, after over half a year, it's stronger than ever, especially with the young. That's in the US where the overwhelming majority of the population don't share a language, religion or culture with the Palestinians. Read about the growing influence of Hamas in Jordan, perhaps the closest thing to an Arab friend Israel has, and a long time collaborator with the US. It may scare the shit out of you, but you should know what's happening there, especially if you really believe Hamas is finished. They're just getting started. Granted many Hamas militants will be killed in Gaza, but their lives were already forfeit from Oct. last year. It's their ideas and their cause that will live on and spread.

                3. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

                  Ah, yes. "We are persecuted. We are weak." Therefore no morality and ethics should constrain us, but they should constrain you.

                  The crybully mental disease.

    3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      "Most of the signs they carry are calling for an end to the fighting."

      Hahahahahahahahahahaha.... OH WOW!

    4. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

      Think about what the "From the River to Sea" slogan means. Is there any room for the Israelis in there?

      There is no genocide happening right now in Gaza to protest.

      They are not against war, as they celebrate the 10/7 atrocities.

      1. mtrueman   1 year ago

        " Is there any room for the Israelis in there?"

        Yes. Don't worry. Even Jewish Israelis.

        "There is no genocide happening right now "

        Call it something else if you think that helps. Slaughter, massacres, divine justice?

        "They are not against war, as they celebrate the 10/7 atrocities."

        Israeli snipers murdering unarmed protestors made violent resistance all but inevitable. Reap what ye sow.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          You're evil.
          You're absolute unadulterated evil.

          Nobody with a brain in their head who wasn't evil would swallow obviously dishonest Hamas propaganda.
          Nobody with a heart in their chest could look at what Hamas did on October 7th and say "cool".

          Only a malevolent Jew-hating psychopath could make the ludicrous arguments you've made here.

          1. mtrueman   1 year ago

            "Only a malevolent Jew-hating psychopath could make the ludicrous arguments you’ve made here."

            You've led a sheltered life. Try to get out more.

            1. Sevo   1 year ago

              You've lead the life of an ignoramus; fuck off and die.

        2. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

          That is what I thought of you.

          You used Wikipedia as source for a highly controversial political issue? It is absolutely worthless as a factual source, so corrupted is its editing.

          1. mtrueman   1 year ago

            "You used Wikipedia as source for a highly controversial political issue? "

            Yes. Well spotted. You're welcome to check wikipedia's sources if you feel so inclined.

    5. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      "They are protesting genocide. "

      Weird, being that definitionally there is no genocide going on.

      Any other imaginary crimes being protested?

      1. mtrueman   1 year ago

        "Any other imaginary crimes being protested?"

        The rape of dozens of beheaded baby Jews in ovens. Is that still worth taking to the streets in protest, or are we all over that by now?

        1. Truthfulness   1 year ago

          You have no evidence such protests exist. You are lying about the Jews yet again. Lose your antisemitism.

          1. mtrueman   1 year ago

            "You have no evidence such protests exist. "

            They don't exist. I was being coy answering a disingenuous question. No matter how barbaric you accuse Hamas of being, it's not enough to bring supporters of Israel out in the streets to express their anger at Palestine, and solidarity with the people of Israel and the soldiers who fight for her. There were a few demonstrations, back in November, I think, but even then they had to pay students $250 a head to attend, on top of transportation, etc. Contrast this to the protests for the Palestinians. They are getting bigger and more intense. After half a year. The state is cracking down. The state is afraid. It's starting to realize it's backing a loser, maybe.

  53. YuckFou   1 year ago

    When Russia invaded with tanks, the US gave the Ukraine fighters Javelin missiles. Russia has now lost 4380 tanks. But the Javelin has a very short usable range, so the Russians learned to use artillery instead of mechanized infantry.

    The US gave the Ukraine fighters artillery, but only with ammunition that has a shorter range than the Russians. Ukraine losses mounted. In fact, the majority of the death is due to artillery.

    The US then gave the Ukraine fighters the HMAR missile system, but only with the short range missiles. Ukraine pushed the Russian artillery back. But Russia then turned to cruise missiles and aircraft.

    Then the US gave the Ukraine fighters a couple Patriot batteries, but only enough range to stop direct air strikes well within Ukraine. Russia continued with cruise missiles destroying civilian infrastructure. To date, the US hasn't given Ukraine any means of stopping cruise missiles.

    Other NATO members wanted to give Ukraine Russian aircraft - stuff Ukraine pilots and support were trained on, but Joe Biden quashed that. The US says they are giving Ukraine F16s - probably too little, too late.

    In case it is not obvious by now, I believe Joe Biden's micromanaging is just more incompetence by his administration.

    The Biden administration incompetence is killing soldiers at a rate not seen since WWI. And the US media is covering for him. US estimates of 210,000 Ukraine & Russian troops in 2 years.

    Russia is an old toothless 3 legged dog that lies in its bed and barks at shadows. But Joe Biden's administration is afraid. So the killing continues.

    1. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

      The toothless 3-leeged dog is still capable of starting an unjust war of conquest that has killed over 210,000 people.

    2. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

      It's not incompetence, it's corruption. They're dragging out the war as long as possible for the benefit of weapons producers and military contractors.

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